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they knew..
aint gonna be jack shit done about it...
this is why i dont vote...yall actualy think your vote counts and this is a democracy :-\
just be glad your life is wayyyyy better than most shitholes on this planet..and be happy about that.
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You forgot Fema... I actually remember the guy slipping on tv ON 9/11 bragging that they got there on 9/10 for 9/11. It's the very first thing that made me wonder what the hell...
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Monster urban myths
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Monster urban myths
At least provide material to back up your position. there have been countless posts like this... They mean nothing.
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At least provide material to back up your position.
No. You people don't use credible evidence so why should I?
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And those who accept he knew, and are okay with it, can share the blood of those 3000 on their hands for condoning his letting 3000 die.
that makes me feel kinda badass
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No. You people don't use credible evidence so why should I?
bullshit.... Take 240 up... go ahead... Pick what item you say he has no credible sources for... I always have people say this shit when I provide stories from CNN ABC FOX and other major sources showing Israeli involement in 9/11... We use as credible a source as we have available without actually being there to video tape the mother fucker ourselves.
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xpac, should I go on? Now, either msnbc, cbs, the DoD, etc are all in on this "911 conspiracy crap", or these are actual news articles which contribute to the appearance that some knew in advance.
OHHHHHH!!! WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAN... AHAHAHAHA... BRING IT XPAC ;D
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Hahaha monster grasping at straws. No one believes you except other nuts no matter how many tiny morsels of unrealted quotes you can find
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Hahaha monster grasping at straws. No one believes you except other nuts no matter how many tiny morsels of unrealted quotes you can find
ahaha, desperate reply... If this is what you got after 240 provided multiple mainstream sources, 240 just p'wned you. ;)
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ahaha, desperate reply... If this is what you got after 240 provided multiple mainstream sources, 240 just p'wned you. ;)
No he didn't, you guys pwn yourselves with these dumb theories 8)
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No he didn't, you guys pwn yourselves with these dumb theories 8)
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240 you have one believe that it was a cover up and that our government let 911 happen
you have another viewpoint that it was completely an inside job.
you cant have both
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240 you have one believe that it was a cover up and that our government let 911 happen
you have another viewpoint that it was completely an inside job.
you cant have both
How the hell do you figure that? Why on earth couldn't there be accomplices in our government or other governments or both that made sure things lined up to allow the hijackers to accomplish their mission. This is absolutely not a new concept... Agent provocateurs, false flag operations, there is a history for all this... I can't fathom why you need there to be an either or here. It's most likely some degree of inside help and turning a blind eye. I don't remember 240 ever saying it was a 100% inside job not involving any foreign nationals.
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I'm reading that either
"We did it."
or
"We allowed it."
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Can both be true?
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I'm reading that either
"We did it."
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"We allowed it."
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Can both be true?
Well if I know of plans that you have to murder someone and I don't say anything about it am I guilty or not guilty in the eyes of the law? ahaha... If the prosecuter can show I let it happen and you did it, we're both going down. if Bush and a handfull of people knew and intentionally did nothing then both are true.
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Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel
San Franciscan Chronicle
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL
didn't the Loose Change guys say that Condi was the person who warned him not to fly?
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Now the arguments are getting lame. ::) 240 is not the only person in this world that feels this way. He never claims to have the end all of information. Can anybody else come up with some logical explanations for the miles and miles of coincidences? Which is easier, doing your own research or just arguing against 240 or Berserker?
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Now the arguments are getting lame. ::) 240 is not the only person in this world that feels this way.
True, but he's not exactly in the majority, anyone who doesn't agree with our Government will make up somekind of conspiracy aginst it!
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True, but he's not exactly in the majority, anyone who doesn't agree with our Government will make up somekind of conspiracy aginst it!
like bush didn't agree with Saddam...
oops..did i just say dat..
pahdon me.. :-X
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My point of view is that we NEED A COMPLETE, FAIR INVESTIGATION.
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people like intense DONT WANT one..
GASP..god firbid..a christian were 2 blame...
unthinkable..
dont ya see this rob? :-\
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At the VERY least, we KNOW from FAA testimony that at 8:17 AM, the Secret Service KNEW that at least one U.S. passenger jet had been hijacked. It crashed at 8:46 AM. Bush said at 9:00 that he "saw that on TV and thought, that's one bad pilot".
Why would Pres. Bush say that?
Okay, you can make up a reason for why he lied about something he knew about 45 minutes earlier.
Then you can ask why he read a book and hung out for 28 minutes AFTER being told about the second attack (9:20 until 9:30) when he was at a well-publicized event. By then, they knew that two towers were hit, that 3 of the planes were hjacked (by 9:02 they knew all this).
Bush sat at that school for 28 minutes while knowing we were in the midst of the worst attack on the Continental US since 1812.
Now, even if he made a mistake, his team sure as hell knew. Their JOB was to remove him.
Also, xpac, I gave you facts with documentation which you will not address.
You can start by addressing the mountains of overwhelming evidence against your position with real sources taken in context.
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You can start by addressing the mountains of overwhelming evidence against your position with real sources taken in context.
ok ..post and prove you point..
i'll wake up tomorrow and expect a mountain of evidence proving that 240 is wrong
thanx for the info mate..
ooo btw..i hope its from an independent source..not a govt website..or govt related..they dont count for obvious reasons.. :)
oo wait..dont tell me u were just gonna copy n past govt run sites there..... :-\
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xpac, I welcome you showing I'm wrong.
but we both know you'll never deliver.
hey i asked him...
nothing will happen...
we both know this..
wait wait wait..he'll quot rush! ;D
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But they can't argue the facts, and they used to. This means they researched our facts and well, they realized the truth...
ya give em 2 much credit...
people have a hard time seperating religion from race..
they will NEVER agree with ya mate..
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the last time i botherd to argue with you it was about the pentegon,, i posted a list of a few hundred names of people that documented their siting of a plane hitting the pentegon,, i posted the dna evidence of the people who were killed at the pentegon that were on the plane. i posted the phone calls made from the plane of people saying their plane was hijacked. evidence of the path thatcould not have been a missile, and engine parts that were found.. but you still think it was a missile. the only thing you came up with is a person who saw a helicopter near the pentegon,, so it must have been a missile.. your a lost cause,, your simply another nerd that sits in front of the computer all day. you believe in this, and thats it.. you spend 18 hrs a day signed onto get big trying to convince people,, but not allowing anyone to convince you. that shows a lack of intelligence.
it's possible that our government allowed the events of 911 to happen,, but instead of you arguing that you go overboard with your missile and bomb bullshit, which shows your immaturity,, and your simple hate for the government.
no matter what you will never believe the facts. because in your mind everything that makes sense is a part of the coverup. your a classic case of someone who connot be conviced,, but you wonder why you connot convince others. you have a good foundation to the argument,, but then you branch off into crazy ideas. stick to the point and maybee people will actually take you seriously.
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Osama Bin Laden reportedly undergoes kidney dialysis at a Pakistani military hospital in which a "secret team" replaces the regular urology staff.
Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg is on the phone with the FBI talking about who has command of the MASCAL emergency plane crash plan if a plane hits the Pentagon.
The White House's battle plan to invade Afghanistan and topple the Taliban and Osama bin Laden awaits President Bush's approval. It arrived on his desk September 10, 2001.
Bin laden was in Afghanistan on the 10th.. its been confirmed in plenty of books. Ur evidence to the contrary is no better then mine that he was there. Point 2 well who care.....Pentagon medic?
Thats complete BS..There may have been any number of contingency plans that come across the presidenst desk....Read "Jaw Breaker" or the Hunt for Bin laden it details how we went to war. I was lucky enough to be part of a brief by then COL Mulholland, who commanded 5th Group. It was his guys who took down the Taliban. This was his show most of the way. There was no big detailed paln to do what we did.
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Sure. I've never been about surpressing anything. Let him take the stand.
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Wow.
As a Brit looking in on all of this I'd like to say that all this conspiracy theory stuff is pretty compelling. I'd like to believe it too but I'm in two minds about the whole thing. I dunno what to think.
Good theories though.
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Well one way to look at all this is that if there were an honest true investigation into all of this and the theories that our government was in some way involved are false, it would be revealed as false under an actual investigation. There's no way any of these theories can stand if the accusations are completely false, there is mountains of information never released on this. If these theories are bogus they'll fall appart instantly under close inspection, but if they are true, the governments story will fall apart instantly. With such a large demand for a real no bullshit investigation, the government should satisfy the peoples need to know. What do they have to lose if they're telling the truth. nothing...
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To quote a well known comedian "They still haven't found OSAMA BIN LADEN,but yet they can find 5 pot plants on my ten acres."
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The bottom line is they new something but they had no idea to what extent 9\11 would turn out to be.Its sad its like knowing they might drop a nuke all government officials running to there bunkers then telling us the next morning ................after millions are dead.
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They knew planes would be used against targets in NY. They knew 5 of their names. They knew the date.
Now, if they knew ONE american would die, they had a sworn duty to act.
They had a duty to act no matter what they knew..........
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I've put mountains of evidence in my other posts that haven't been refuted by you other then some halfassed rebuttel using questionable circumstantial evidence. I have better things to do then argue the same old thing.....like flame Dan18 and his massive forehead
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people like intense DONT WANT one..
GASP..god firbid..a christian were 2 blame...
unthinkable..
dont ya see this rob? :-\
HAHAHAHA Man I love how you think.
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240, good level headed debate so far.
You are using mostly "facts" this time rather than mostly conjecture on incomplete information.
Post more stuff for x-pac anyway.
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I've put mountains of evidence in my other posts that haven't been refuted by you other then some halfassed rebuttel using questionable circumstantial evidence. I have better things to do then argue the same old thing.....like flame Dan18 and his massive forehead
Translation --I can only log on to the v board and talk about cock because im to stupid to have a real conversation with adults......Im tired of talking i will go read my captin amazing comic books now .....
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Translation --I can only log on to the v board and talk about cock because im to stupid to have a real conversation with adults......Im tired of talking i will go read my captin amazing comic books now .....
lol
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I don't buy the missile hypothesis for the DC crash. There were way too many witnesses.
I do, however, believe it's very possible that the plane in PA was shot down...or would've been.
I do not know whether that plane was headed for the White House or for the Sears Tower.
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Translation --I can only log on to the v board and talk about cock because im to stupid to have a real conversation with adults......Im tired of talking i will go read my captin amazing comic books now .....
monster forehead pot calling the kettle black.
Don't you have something to do like taking pictures of your fat ass in dirty white tank tops and crappy grey trackpants?
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xpac, i invite you to choose 5 of the points and let's debate them. There are multiple sources from mainstream media for everything I said. I don't think even the anti-240 people will agree you have a case here. Because you haven't even made one.
Even for those who believe that 19 Arabs were able to elude NORAD and bring down WTC7 - even you should be able to look at this and scratch your head and wonder if THEY KNEW.
Seriously this debate is boring and has been concluded a long time ago.
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Can you give me the date it was settled?
It's never been stopped becuase you keep argueing or rotating issues once your point of the moment has been exposed for what it is: total conjecture
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You guys are late. Cartman figured all this shit out awhile back.
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It's funny - the kids here used to argue the 911 points.
Now, a few of us are so well versed in the many obvious facts that show inside job or pre-knowledge....
they don't even argue it anymore. They'll insult, they'll call names, etc.
But they can't argue the facts, and they used to. This means they researched our facts and well, they realized the truth...
hahah i love it, all 'xpac' can do now is say 'no your wrong...you just are' HAHHHAHAHAHAHAH
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hahah i love it, all 'xpac' can do now is say 'no your wrong...you just are' HAHHHAHAHAHAHAH
that's because like some, if not many, on the side of the Ct'ers do exactly the same thing, only they mask it with wacked out assumptions
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some CTers want convictions off the media evidence, and that's nonsense.
Others want a new investigation - that is beyond reasonable. ANYONE who looks at the collection of information objectively would probably agree that there are so many unanswered questions, so many breakdowns at statistically impossible levels... that we need to know what really happened that day.
And it's not an anti-Bush thing. I get so tired of fuckin people saying that. It's an anti-terrorist thing.
Most people will welcome a new investigation 240, that's a moot point here with everyone other than the neo-con drones
But what people don't believe is the inside job theory with things like "halograms masking missles into the WTC's" We only make fools of oursleves to even suggest it based on grainy video stills.
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Can you give me the date it was settled?
6 months ago
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I would say that 9/11 was the worst continental attack since the civil war.
as for the 2.3 trillion, what say you to this?
Why would he highlight this one day before 9/11, which he knew a bout?
Also, it would be interesting to add up each annual defense spending amount and see what percentage 2.3 trillion is. That estimate he used, it sounded like he picked the highest estimate out there to bolster his speech's central point.
Anyway, thanks for the info. When i get some downtime I will research some of this stuff myself and see which claims are rubbish and which are strange coincidences
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Some sort of video projection system is actually a reasonable explanation for that we see here. The left wing disappears from EVERY camerea angle as the beam of light from the coincidentally parallel helicopter is cut off by the building.
I suppose you have a more reasonable explanation for where that wing goes? And the "probably just light and angles" point of view is defaced a bit when you see the wing disappears from every angle shot.
So now, in addition to being a forensic expert who conducts his investigation on the web, a structural engineer, a avionics engineer, and a physicist, you are now also a video expert?
Man you are the uber investigator!
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I still can't believe you, OzmO, would argue against this without doing your research.
OZMO,
here is what we have:
1) a parallel flying helicopter shining a bright light directly at the incoming plane
2) a plane whose wing disappears when that light is removed
3) a plane which slices into the building with very minimal external damage to the building, very uncharacteristic of most plane building collisions where the plane turns to sawdust upon hitting
4) A video clip showing a black, cylindrical object approx 20 feet tall jutting out the other side of the building.
5) The very unlikely result that the bulk of the damage from the fuel manages to happen INSIDE the building despite the fact that if a jet hit the building, the fuel would have instantly ignited OUTSIDE the building. This explosiosn VERY clearly begins dead center of the WTC.
Please explain each of these events. Please do so with a theory more credible than the hologram theory.
Is this the only video of the plane hitting the building? no
Are these appearant on other videos? no
You remember the pic of the UFO i posted on another thread?
Please explain each of these events. Please do so with a theory more credible than the UFO theory.
..............Flawed debating tactic
..............Flawed logic
..............wacked conjecture
..............with all due repsect.... you are losing your mind.
end of story
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yeah, 2.3 trillion went missing. Nearly a quarter of their budget since the start was just gone.
According to CBS:
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Rumsfeld promised change. Would there have been an investigation into 2.3 missing trillion dollars? You bet your ass there would hae been.
Maybe it's a coincidence. But if YOU were going to announce the biggest loss/mismgmt/or theft of money in US history, what day would you choose?
He chose to announce it on the afternoon before the biggest attack in history. Not only did that take away ALL the spotlight from his money woes and GUARANTEE the story was be buried, but it also guaranteed additional defense spending.
Maybe it was a coincidence. You can believe what you wish.
You do realize this debate already took place 4 months ago.
I would pull it up but I think it was merged into one of those crappy 9-11 threads.
You are misinterpreting the 2.3 trillion dollars. The story was about poor or over spending on military equipment for since the defense department was set up. The 2.3 trillion dollars is all accounting money. It exists on paper but no where else. This money is over 10X the entire defense budget, but I posted that as well.
But you know this already.
Some sort of video projection system is actually a reasonable explanation for that we see here. The left wing disappears from EVERY camerea angle as the beam of light from the coincidentally parallel helicopter is cut off by the building.
I suppose you have a more reasonable explanation for where that wing goes? And the "probably just light and angles" point of view is defaced a bit when you see the wing disappears from every angle shot.
If the government was going to kill 3000 people why wouldn't they just fly the planes into the building and into the pentagon?
I don't understand your logic. when putting out improbable scenarios always follow the KISS principle. If it sounds too complex it is. People are inherently lazy and that much planning would take too much work.
That is the whole problem with all of your conspiracies, they are too complex. There is a reason why organizations like the mob survive. KISS. People are idiots and will talk. Anything complex with lots of people means leaked information.
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If the government was going to kill 3000 people why wouldn't they just fly the planes into the building and into the pentagon?
I have been of the Jimmy Walters crowd - the "pod theory" group - for some time. For me, it's pointless to argue - it's common sense. It'd be like arguying if the sky was blue. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy a building and a few planes and show you that when you crash a plane into a building at high speeds. They disintegrate. And the fuel burns up primarily on the outside. Look at the WTC attack. The explosion is dead center. There's the smoking gun. No plane can do that. And Walters is currently in Venezuela assembling tests with Hugo Chavez (a favorite of berserker!) which will duplicate the attacks. And it will become VERY obvious to the world that when planes hit buildings, they turn into burning shit falling to the ground.
You enjoy your viewpoint and I'll sit here with mine. Idiot.
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I have been of the Jimmy Walters crowd - the "pod theory" group - for some time. For me, it's pointless to argue - it's common sense. It'd be like arguying if the sky was blue. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy a building and a few planes and show you that when you crash a plane into a building at high speeds. They disintegrate. And the fuel burns up primarily on the outside. Look at the WTC attack. The explosion is dead center. There's the smoking gun. No plane can do that. And Walters is currently in Venezuela assembling tests with Hugo Chavez (a favorite of berserker!) which will duplicate the attacks. And it will become VERY obvious to the world that when planes hit buildings, they turn into burning shit falling to the ground.
You enjoy your viewpoint and I'll sit here with mine. Idiot.
Name calling is week.
BTW you know nothing of which you speak.
You don't have the background or the experience to make those judgments about how a plane would interact with the towers.
The scientific community stands behind the NIST reports. You haven't read them and could not comprehend how the modeling or the engineering works.
Have a nice day.
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
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I have been of the Jimmy Walters crowd - the "pod theory" group - for some time. For me, it's pointless to argue - it's common sense. It'd be like arguying if the sky was blue. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy a building and a few planes and show you that when you crash a plane into a building at high speeds. They disintegrate. And the fuel burns up primarily on the outside. Look at the WTC attack. The explosion is dead center. There's the smoking gun. No plane can do that. And Walters is currently in Venezuela assembling tests with Hugo Chavez (a favorite of berserker!) which will duplicate the attacks. And it will become VERY obvious to the world that when planes hit buildings, they turn into burning shit falling to the ground.
You enjoy your viewpoint and I'll sit here with mine. Idiot.
That all makes sense of the building was solid concrete. But the WTC's were glass/sheets of metal wrapped around a steel frame.
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Boy...I must have missed this theory. ??? Let me see if I got this straight. Some people think that a helicopter was projecting a "movie" type thing making it look like a plane hit the towers...but there was no plane..???? Is that the theory?
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The plane penetrated the steel-reinforced concrete outer columns of the building and the windows equally.
Watch the tape -- zero difference. I don't know what that means. When the B52 hit the empire state building in 1949, it shredded.
Very big difference considering they didn't have B-52 til the 50's. (1954 )
And what crashed into the Empire state building was a b-25, the same 2-engine prop bomber that was used to in the doolittle raid in 1942.
But who's concerned with common sense and facts when believing holagrams were used by helicopters to mask missles flying into the WTC?
BTW, the colums on the WTC were not a solid wall. So just like the c-130 that crashed into the aprtment building the plane desentagrated into the WTC.
But why take into consideration and isolated incident like the tehran c-130 that supports both the WTC's and pentagon planes when you have your expert knowledge in physics and video imaging?
Oh, yeah Iran is on on the 9/11 inside job and the tehran thing was set up for this very purpose right?
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Did anyone see the picture of Jesus in one of the explosions? ::)
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Monster urban myths
That's NOT a myth xpac2. I saw the video with my own eyes.
FEMA got the call Monday night. September 10th. :o
...and don't forget the money wired to Atta from the Pakistani ISI
There are sooo many smoking guns, ...I'm surprised you people haven't suffocated from smoke inhalation yet.
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It's okay to fear this shit... but don't embarass yourself by saying "You people don't use credible evidence" when the links above are mainstream media.
{LOL} Rob, in fairness to xpac2, ...he does have a point. After the job "mainstream media" has done on the public, not to mention what they haven't done for the past few years, ...it's not really a huge leap to call their credibility into question. ;D
But since this thread is already 4 pages, and I'm still on page 1, ...I'll shut up til I read further. :)
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OzmO,
I think the people reading our little debates should notice a few things.
over the past few months, my arguments have matured. I try to always have a mainstream media source (or multiples) for everything I post. I post pics, videos, and break down ideas clearly. I don't jump to conclusions, as with this missile theory. I put it out there with the case and ask the people here to debunk it.
Your arguements have matured? you are tripping dude.
Here's your basic technique:
- Throw up some stupid video complete dramatic music and gay graphics like for example the 2-star general
- Make inaccurate claims
- Refuse to answer simple questions like "how is this 2-star general any more of an expert at physics, structual engineering etc.... than you or i
- When those claims are de-bunked then you rotate to another point.
- And then you complain that your questions aren't answered...........lol
Not very mature.
And then you've reached new hieghts with this hologram thing.
It's all asnwered pretty much with similar answers to the most UFO photos.
Are you telling me you are not smart enough to get that?
OzmO,
You, however, have regressed. You used to debate the points. However, as my arguments have become more fact-based, and some things cannot be disputed whatsoever, you have stopped debating.
Fact based like the 2-star general?
Fact based like the "ring leader gets released"?
Fact based like the "Pentagon's top brass"
Fact based like a "document on the web"?
Fact based like the allaege 25 link non-CT site links to anomolies about fllight 77?
Show me shit that can't be disputed. 99% of it can. including your hologram theory.
You have nothing and your mind is no longer under your control at least the common sense part of it anyway.
Now you make alien jokes, call everything a conspiracy, and you start multiple threads trashing the people who believe 911 was an inside job. You've gone from a serious debater - helping you, me, and all of us learn - to a common troll with predictable responses to well-constructed arguments.
I've made alien jokes becuase your arguements and theories have become a joke.
You haven't done the research
Instead you've only researched CT sites. That's not research.
I've told how to do REAL research and all you do is either argue or rotate to another gay ass stupid theory.
Pretty much everyone on this forum agrees.
Some don;t even argue with you becuase they feel they are dealing with a crazy person.
I for one, thought i was dealing with a person who was interested in the truth.
But it's been obvious to me lately you are not.
I hope you can bring your game back. I've matured my theories and debating methods greatly and I would like to seriously hear your arguments on the missile issue.
My game back? lololollololol
I hope you can bring your mind back.
Now let's talk about your halagram theory and i'll answer a few of yoru questions:
The wing:
- The wiing is lost in the background of the WTC with a combinatiion of poor lighting (sun's on the otherside of the plane) and poor resolution (it's far away and fast). You see things similar like this i videos all the time. You don't see it in movies or TV shows becuase they make sure the lighting is right.
The explosion:
- You can get all sorts of shapes from explosions. This one looks to me like the explosion was partially and temporarily contained in between 1 or 2 floors causing the split second missle shape. That's the root of the Jesus joke. But you have to use objective thinking to figure that out. What you did was get real defensive becuase in your heart you know how stupid this hologram theory is.
The helcopter:
Was the corner of the WTC a hologram projector also? How about the object on top of the WTC? All it was, was the reflection fo the sun. you can see it on the WTC also.
These are very obvious explanations.
Becuase i figured you were smart enough "and mature" enough to see that you'd have discounted this hologram theory all together. But i was wrong. That's why i've been making wise crakss about it.