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Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« on: October 23, 2010, 08:37:51 AM »
    There are a number things the public “knows” as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.

    Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:

    1) President Obama tripled the deficit.Reality: Bush’s last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama’s first reduced that to $1.29 trillion.

    2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the “stimulus” was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.

    3) President Obama bailed out the banks.Reality: While many people conflate the “stimulus” with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts to be “non-reviewable by any court or any agency.”) The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama.

    4) The stimulus didn’t work.Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.

    5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.

    6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.

    7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is “going broke,” people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.

   Eight) Government spending takes money out of the economy.Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on “welfare” and “foreign aid” when that is only a small part of the government’s budget.

Spread this list around, please. We have less than two weeks before people actually vote.
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 09:13:43 AM »
too little too late

voting booths closed before the Olympia pre-judging


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 09:17:13 AM »
    There are a number things the public “knows” as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.

    Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:

    1) President Obama tripled the deficit.Reality: Bush’s last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama’s first reduced that to $1.29 trillion.

    2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the “stimulus” was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.

    3) President Obama bailed out the banks.Reality: While many people conflate the “stimulus” with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts to be “non-reviewable by any court or any agency.”) The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama.

    4) The stimulus didn’t work.Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.

    5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.

    6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.

    7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is “going broke,” people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.

   Eight) Government spending takes money out of the economy.Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on “welfare” and “foreign aid” when that is only a small part of the government’s budget.

Spread this list around, please. We have less than two weeks before people actually vote.

I like you didn't include a link. You and your party are delusional little people.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 09:17:27 AM »
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 03:44:00 PM »
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 03:56:01 PM »
bush fucked the states for the next 20 years, someone should really get rid of that family

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 03:58:12 PM »
bush fucked the states for the next 20 years, someone should really get rid of that family

as much as i dislike bush, it wasnt bush that caused our problems. it is the corporate lobby's and the conservatist economic policies that have caused our problems. bush just played the role.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 04:01:39 PM »
as much as i dislike bush, it wasnt bush that caused our problems. it is the corporate lobby's and the conservatist economic policies that have caused our problems. bush just played the role.
Agreed bush was a fucking pussy that gave in to the powers at be just so he could be the pres. Obama ain't bad at all. In no other country in the world would a guy get so much flac for doing abosoutley nothing. His healthcare bill was probally my only gripe, although I'd never give up my free health care.
 

Obama got on board at the wrong time, but I digress. Getting involved in american politics now is like getting into fascism in 1944.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 04:07:04 PM »
Agreed bush was a fucking pussy that gave in to the powers at be just so he could be the pres. Obama ain't bad at all. In no other country in the world would a guy get so much flac for doing abosoutley nothing. His healthcare bill was probally my only gripe, although I'd never give up my free health care.
 

Obama got on board at the wrong time, but I digress. Getting involved in american politics now is like getting into fascism in 1944.


 yeah, he campaigned on universal healthcare coverage for all citizens. all we got was a law demanding every citizen buy healthcare, and a guarantee that we woudl be able to do so even if we are currently sick/injured.

i guess, technically, that woud cover everybody.  :-\

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 06:53:43 PM »
Nixon really screwed the states, Lincoln really screwed the states, blah blah blah.  Get with the present jackoffs.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 08:20:55 AM »
Benny Blanco,

This is some of the dumbbest 'false' thing ever - and so wrong.   But it gave me a good laugh.

Obviously you are a Democrat, and hopefully in two weeks, the Democrats are going to lose a ton of support with all of the bullcrap they have been spewing out here.

Unfortunately in California, they can spew their crap and get away with it. But around the rest of the country, people have learned in the last 2 years.


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 10:40:56 AM »
Benny Blanco,

This is some of the dumbbest 'false' thing ever - and so wrong.   But it gave me a good laugh.

Obviously you are a Democrat, and hopefully in two weeks, the Democrats are going to lose a ton of support with all of the bullcrap they have been spewing out here.

Unfortunately in California, they can spew their crap and get away with it. But around the rest of the country, people have learned in the last 2 years.



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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 11:45:33 AM »
Benny Blanco,

This is some of the dumbbest 'false' thing ever - and so wrong.   But it gave me a good laugh.

Obviously you are a Democrat, and hopefully in two weeks, the Democrats are going to lose a ton of support with all of the bullcrap they have been spewing out here.

Unfortunately in California, they can spew their crap and get away with it. But around the rest of the country, people have learned in the last 2 years.



The Dems can run Lindsey Lohan and automatically get 46% of the votes here. Y'all would be truely amazed at how blindly party line the average leftist in CA is.

We are going to get Jerry Brown for Governor in a couple weeks. Really? A guy that runs on a 100% pro-union platform? That's what's best for CA?

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 05:36:06 PM »
    6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.
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1.  The number being claimed in this farce is a joke and a lie.  The CBO scored the bill without including the doctor fix which adds 200 billion to the overall tab.  Additionally, the CBO figure for the first ten years is misleading in that it includes only 6 years of benefits, but a full 10 years of tax collection.  This again was done to fool the public. 

2.  The CBO has since uped its estimates and now says the bill will cost at least $114 Billion more than they said beofre the vote. 

  http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/11/great-news-cbo-says-obamacare-will-cost-115-billion-more-than-thought/

3.  The bill costs a lot more than a trillion dollars and is funded by tax increases and 500 billion cut from medicaire.  The assumptions of tax receipts are extremely unreasable and the govt will never get the amount of tax revenue as anticipated. 

4.  Obamacare is creating a MASSIVE unfunded mandate to the states since at least 16 million people are being moved to medicaid and the states are liable for 50% of the costs.  Everyones' state taxes are going to skyrocket over this bill. 

5.  Historically, govt programs always cost far more than originally anticpated. 

Botton line - when you add in the doctor fix, Obamcare is in the red by at least 70 billion in the first ten years, and gets drastically worse over time when benefits paid out and taxes received are equalized. 

So this one is demonstrably false. 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 05:40:03 PM »
7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is “going broke,” people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.

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Read and learn something for once Benny:

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Retiree Ponzi Scheme Is $16 Trillion Short: Laurence Kotlikoff
By Laurence Kotlikoff - Aug 24, 2010 9:00 PM ET Bloomberg Opinion



 .Social Security just celebrated its 75th birthday. Love it or hate it, it has done its job and should retire. We need a new system, the Personal Security System, which retains Social Security’s best features, scraps the rest, and covers its costs.

Social Security’s objective -- forcing people to save for retirement -- is legit. Otherwise millions of us would seek handouts in our old age.

But Social Security has also played a central role in the massive, six-decade Ponzi scheme known as U.S. fiscal policy, which transfers ever-larger sums from the young to the old.

In so doing, Uncle Sam has assured successive young contributors that they would have their turn, in retirement, to get back much more than they put in. But all chain letters end, and the U.S.’s is now collapsing.

The letter’s last purchasers -- today’s and tomorrow’s youngsters -- face enormous increases in taxes and cuts in benefits. This fiscal child abuse, which will turn the American dream into a nightmare, is best summarized by the $202 trillion fiscal gap discussed in my last column.

The gap is the present value difference between future federal spending and revenue. Closing this gap via taxes requires doubling every tax we pay, starting now. Such a policy would hurt younger people much more than older ones because wages constitute most of the tax base.

What about cutting defense instead? Sadly, there’s no room there. The defense budget’s 5 percent share of gross domestic product is historically low and is projected to decline to 3 percent by 2020. And the $202 trillion figure already incorporates this huge defense cut.

The 3-Year-Old Vote

Reducing current benefits, most of which go to the elderly, is another option. But such a policy is highly unlikely. The elderly vote and are well-organized, whereas 3-year-olds can neither vote, nor buy Congressmen.

In contrast, cutting future benefits is politically feasible because it hits the young. And that’s where Congress is heading, starting with Social Security. The president’s fiscal commission will probably recommend raising Social Security’s full retirement age to 70 from 67, for those who are now younger than 45. This won’t change the ages at which future retirees can start collecting benefits. It will simply cut by one-fifth what they get.

Some political economists point to Social Security’s 2010 Trustees Report and say, “Leave it alone. The system won’t run short of cash until 2037.”

Misleading Accounting

Unfortunately, the Trustees’ cash-flow accounting, like all such accounting, is arbitrary and misleading. In fact, Social Security is broke. Its fiscal gap, which the Trustees measure correctly, is $16 trillion.

This gap is small compared with the U.S.’s overall $202 trillion shortfall, not because the Trustees treat Social Security’s $2.5 trillion trust fund as an asset (a questionable choice), but because they credit one-third of federal revenue to the program.

But dollars are dollars. If we re-label Social Security “payroll” taxes as “general revenue wage taxes,” Social Security’s fiscal gap increases by $60 trillion, and the fiscal gap of all other government activities falls by $60 trillion, leaving the overall $202 trillion gap unchanged.

Even by the Trustees’ measure, there’s a massive problem. Coming up with $16 trillion requires permanently raising revenue or cutting benefits by 26 percent, starting now. In other words, the program is 26 percent underfunded.

Hitting Young People

Now cutting benefits of new retirees by 20 percent, with an increase in the so-called full retirement age, starting 20 or so years from now isn’t the same as immediately cutting the benefits of all retirees by 26 percent. Hence, the fiscal commissioners will need to hit young people with an even bigger whammy if they really want to solve Social Security’s long-term woes.

Most likely, Washington will simply raise the retirement age and kick the can further down the road. This is what the Greenspan Commission did in 1983, knowing full well that by 2010 the system would be in even worse shape.

I say, retire Social Security and replace it with a version that works. Do this by freezing the current system, paying today’s retirees their benefits, while paying workers only what they have accrued so far once they retire.

Next, have all workers contribute 8 percent of their pay to the new system, with half going to a personal account and half to an account of a spouse or legal partner. The federal government would make matching contributions for the poor, the disabled and the unemployed, permitting the system to be as progressive as desired.

Going Global

All contributions would be invested in a global, market- weighted index of stocks, bonds, and real estate. The government would do the investing at very low cost and guarantee that contributors’ account balances at retirement would equal at least what was contributed, adjusted for inflation.

Between ages 57 and 67, each worker’s balances would gradually be swapped for inflation-indexed annuities sold by the government. Those dying before 67 would bequeath their account balances to their heirs.

While this plan has private accounts, Wall Street plays no role and makes no money. Additional contributions would be used to fund life- and disability-insurance pools.

Our nation is in terribly hot water. Business as usual is no answer. The only way to move ahead is to radically reform our retirement, tax, health-care and financial institutions to achieve much more for a lot less.

The Personal Security System is a major step in that direction. It meets all the legitimate goals of Social Security without the system’s waste and penchant for robbing the young.

(Laurence J. Kotlikoff is a professor of economics at Boston University and author of “Jimmy Stewart Is Dead: Ending the World’s Ongoing Financial Plague with Limited Purpose Banking.” The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Laurence Kotlikoff at kotlikoff@bu.edu

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2010, 05:43:53 PM »
THIS IS FROM THE CBO BENNY. 

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Now 30 Year Olds Have Only A 13% Chance Of Getting Full Social Security Benefits
Business Insider ^ | 10/23/2010 | Bruce Krasting



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I wrote a piece on a federal retirement program that elicited some interesting comments. It was clear to me that there is already a negative bias toward the baby boomers. There is an understanding out there that the boomers are going to be sucking up a great deal of resources in the next decade or so. Some comments:

We have witnessed the unprecedented lack of fiscal responsibility from the majority "Baby Boomer" voter base.

We've met the enemy, and it is the emerging 'ruling class' pensioners of the Baby Boomer generation.

...get ready for AGE WARFARE

As if on cue, the Congressional Budget Office has thrown out some numbers to fire up this emotive issue. The CBO report confirmed (to me) that age warfare is in our future.

CBO looked at all of the scenarios regarding Social Security. They ran a total of 500 simulations that reflect the different variables of the puzzle. The analysis assumed that there would be no changes in current law on SS. The objective of the exercise was to quantify the probabilities of which generation would most likely not get the benefits they were (A) paying for, (B) entitled to and (C) expecting.

The results of the CBO analysis is that there is societal/economic trouble in front of us on this issue. It should come as no surprise to readers that if you are young, you have a problem. The CBO report defines which generation(s) will be hurt and by how much. I found their conclusions to be very troubling.

If you were born in the 1940’s the probability that you will receive 100% of your scheduled benefits is nearly 100%. The people in this age group will die before SS is forced to make cuts in scheduled benefits.


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 05:50:05 PM »
Eight) Government spending takes money out of the economy.Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on “welfare” and “foreign aid” when that is only a small part of the government’s budget.

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THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS i HAVE EVER READ.

The govt doesnt create wealth, it destroys it.  In order to get the money to spend the govt first has to either take it from the private sector in the form of taxes or go the magic money printing schemes at the Federal Reserves. 

When the govt runs a deficit, it is financed by selling treasuries and bonds to creditors that it then has to pay back at a later date.  This is essence is the same as paying for bubble gum on a credit card.  You are paying it off long after the usefulness of the gum has worn off. 

Additionally, this paragrpah neglects to mention the devaluation of the dollar the accompanies such money priniting to finance the spending addition.  So the end result is taxpayers with less purchasing power, higher taxes, and a lower standard of living. 

What a ridiuclous paragraph this is also in the sense that the author seems to be intimating that things would be even better if we taxed everyone at 100% and spent literally as much as we could print at the federal reserve.  This is beyond insane to all but those who don't work and pay taxes. 
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 06:00:25 PM »
  4) The stimulus didn’t work.Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.

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Beyond ridiculous. 

1.  At a cost of nearly a trillion dollars - this amounts to anywhere from $600k to about 200k per job saved or created - even if that is true - which it is not.  Most of those were one time temp jobs and make work that lasted for a brief period of time.

2.  Obama promised that unless we passed his stim bill - UE would go beyond 8%.  now - with the Stim Bill - we are at 9.7% and 17.6% according to the U6 Number. 

3.  The Stim Bill was supposed to halt job losses.  However - that has not occured in the least bit. 

 

4.  Most of the money was wasted on state bloated budgets and keeping their insane spending going.  Now that the money is running out, the states are going to have to lay people off that should have been laid off in the beginning.  So the net effect will be 868 Billion in debt, and the job losses to boot. 

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 06:14:03 PM »
  2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the “stimulus” was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.


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Obama did raise taxes via ObamaCare and imposed numerous costs, mandates, burdens, regulations, and other red tape on businesses that have the same exact impact on business. 

He hurt the economy by proposing a series of items like card check, obamacare, cap & trade, FINREG, etc, all of which have created a tremendous amount of uncertainty which has caused businesses to not hire. 

Finally with respect to the alleged tax cut in the stim bill - he did not cut taxes - he gave a one time tax credit of 8 dollars a week, which is a joke and does nothing to sup economic activity, especially when energy prices and food prices are skyrocketing due to weakness in the dollar due to the insane deficit spending and federal reserve money games to sustain the crazy level of govt spending. 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 06:19:14 PM »
Apparently they aren't false
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 06:21:05 PM »
5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.


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True - but customers are losing a tremendous amount of purchasing power due to the devaluation of the dollar, increasing health costs, increasing locsl taxes, etc.  

So there is not going to be demand for more businesses products since the customer is poorer and poorer as a result of govt policies.

Additionlly - customers donmt want to take on more debt to finance consumption, so basically, everyone is going to have to readjust to this.  

Businesses may not be craving a tax cut, but they also dont want a massive tax increase like obamacare, card check, cap & trade, either.  Those items foster more layoffs and UE.  

  


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 06:25:53 PM »
   3) President Obama bailed out the banks.Reality: While many people conflate the “stimulus” with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts to be “non-reviewable by any court or any agency.”) The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama.

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Obama campaigned for and voted for TARP.  He appointed Giethner - Paulsons' right hand man in TARP, as Tres. Sec. 

Obama urged support for its passage and continued all of the policies once he took over.  He continued the AIG bailout, continued the Fanny bailout, continued the GM bailout, and all of the others. 

He has appointed Summers, Geithner, Bernake re appointment, Jacob Lew, and many other wall street hacks into high office. 

Sorry - this is probably one of the most laughable on the list. 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2010, 06:33:01 PM »
1) President Obama tripled the deficit.Reality: Bush’s last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama’s first reduced that to $1.29 trillion.

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Spending bills originate in the House of Reps.  Since the Democrats have controlled the Congress in 2007, the budget deficits have skyrocketed.  Obama voted for those budgets and in fact advocated far great spending. 

Yes bush spent too much, but the reality is that Obama has not made even one single solitary step to ease the deficit, and it making it worse by advoating policies that will destroy the budget even worse. 
 


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2010, 07:18:39 PM »
why do you guys eben click on benny blanco threads?

i never ever waste my time with them...
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2010, 07:41:36 PM »
why do you guys eben click on benny blanco threads?

i never ever waste my time with them...

Makes for good laughs.