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Kid seems sharp as a marble on Fouad's Podcast. ::)
Swollen organs of piss.
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All hardwork, genetics, forced reps and grass fed beef (rinsed of course).
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Such an idiotic pursuit bodybuilding. If you’re going to put the time and money into something at least make sure it pays enough to pay your rent.
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Drugs and hormones work.
He’s certainly grown huge. Of course, he won’t amount to squat in bodybuilding. I hope his goal was simply to (temporarily) become a massive muscle man and be a mildly (and soon-to-be forgotten) successful competitor.
He has done considerable damage to his biology in the pursuit.
If he is even remotely intelligent and forward-thinking, he will now get off the gear and allow his young body to recuperate as best it can.
P.S. That lower leg vein situation is ghastly.
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Kid seems sharp as a marble on Fouad's Podcast. ::)
Swollen organs of piss.
And people think it’s all genetics lmfao 1000% drugs, nothing more. Ugly physique as well
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Such an idiotic pursuit bodybuilding. If you’re going to put the time and money into something at least make sure it pays enough to pay your rent.
Cant argue with that. :-\
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I haven't really followed bodybuilding or who the new bodybuilders are since the mid 90s. Then about 2 years ago I saw a freak on a video at an expo talking about how if he didn't win his pro card next year he was switching to powerlifting. When I say freak all you could see were his arms but they were ridiculous. So I checked sure enough its Nick Walker calls himself the Mutant. Inspired me to pay attention again because dude is a Freak. Can't believe everyone is talking shit on Walker he is next generation freak evolution.
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Such an idiotic pursuit bodybuilding. If you’re going to put the time and money into something at least make sure it pays enough to pay your rent.
Some people actually like to train lots of people put a lot of time and money into hobbies they enjoy that pay nothing
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Soon he'll go the way of the Dallas and be rocked gently in the bosom of Weider...
What a worthless sack of scrotum. Nasty pile of festering pustules. Gross. Die already, kiddo.
A true Thongolian.
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Some people actually like to train lots of people put a lot of time and money into hobbies they enjoy that pay nothing
And some people are lucky that breathing is an involuntary function. That would be you.
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Some people actually like to train lots of people put a lot of time and money into hobbies they enjoy that pay nothing
Ive been training for 30yrs, fucktard. These fools doing it for a living are idiots!
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Some people actually like to train lots of people put a lot of time and money into hobbies they enjoy that pay nothing
I never liked to train bro.........I fucking LOVED to push myself like a frigging animal.......when you would assume my set was completed,I`d grind out 3-4 more gruelling reps.............loved to make training partners quit or puke or both.
just because you are enthusiastic now (which is a good thing) don`t think for a minute that you are on a forum with a bunch of wimps who couldn`t train you into the ground on your best day.
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Can't believe everyone is talking shit on Walker he is next generation freak evolution.
Wow, a freak, yaaay for him. ::)
Bhank, you sound like a 16 yr old on here sometimes. Get off the gear, it makes people looney...
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Wow, a freak, yaaay for him. ::)
Bhank, you sound like a 16 yr old on here sometimes. Get off the gear, it makes people looney...
“ Christina Model” holy shit that is old school. 🤘😔
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Kid seems sharp as a marble on Fouad's Podcast. ::)
Swollen organs of piss.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672995.0;attach=1309094;image)
And that shows how to f*ck up a perfectly good waistline...
Nothing against the kid, but that's a terrible structure - Mostafa sh1ts all over him
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And people think it’s all genetics lmfao 1000% drugs, nothing more. Ugly physique as well
Yet, if he'd only put on 30 lbs or so in 9 years of training, folks here would be yapping about "upping the dose".
So, exactly how much is too much, in terms of anabolics?
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And that shows how to f*ck up a perfectly good waistline...
Nothing against the kid, but that's a terrible structure - Mostafa sh1ts all over him
x2. He just doesn’t look good structure wise and I don’t see him beating any of the top guys. That leg vein issue is just painful to look at. :o
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And that shows how to f*ck up a perfectly good waistline...
Nothing against the kid, but that's a terrible structure - Mostafa sh1ts all over him
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New York Pro Top Five Results
Bodybuilding Open Class
1. Nicholas Walker
2. Justin Luis Rodriguez
3. Hassan Mostafa
4. Dorian Haywood
5. Mokamed El Emam
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New York Pro Top Five Results
Bodybuilding Open Class
1. Nicholas Walker
2. Justin Luis Rodriguez
3. Hassan Mostafa
4. Dorian Haywood
5. Mokamed El Emam
So, the guy getting bashed on this thread just won his first pro show.
What happens if he cracks the top 10 at the Olympia?
;D
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So, the guy getting bashed on this thread just won his first pro show.
What happens if he cracks the top 10 at the Olympia?
;D
It`ll prove just how bad bodybuilding has gone down the shitter.
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New York Pro Top Five Results
Bodybuilding Open Class
1. Nicholas Walker
2. Justin Luis Rodriguez
3. Hassan Mostafa
4. Dorian Haywood
5. Mokamed El Emam
Mostafa just needs to bring hard conditioning
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New York Pro Top Five Results
Bodybuilding Open Class
1. Nicholas Walker
2. Justin Luis Rodriguez
3. Hassan Mostafa
4. Dorian Haywood
5. Mokamed El Emam
Haha - thanks, but I know he won that show and beat HM. Walker's in better condition, sure, but no-one will convince me that's a better structure. Even in that YouTube still you can see Mostafa's legs are superior in shape, and his waist is tighter...
Maybe Walker will beat him in every show, a bit like the way Branch Warren always placed well but LLS- who knows - but I still prefer the way Mostafa is put together.
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It`ll prove just how bad bodybuilding has gone down the shitter.
I've seen worse physiques win shows, even during the so-called neo-"Golden Age" of the mid 90s.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eerzuj5U4AAU7NG.jpg)
(https://fitnesslifestyle.mx/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/nick-walker-motivacion-fitness.jpg)
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Mostafa just needs to bring hard conditioning
Exactly. Nick was in great condition in that show.
I like Mostafa's build more, but he was not peeled enough.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1gzxW6VUAkQ2d9.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1gzxW6VUAkQ2d9.jpg)
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Shredded.
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It`ll prove just how bad bodybuilding has gone down the shitter.
People used to say bodybuilding went downhill once Dorian started winning his Sandows...but exactly where was bodybuilding supposed to go? The guys in the 1990s got considerably bigger, and were in many cases, just as conditioned if not more conditioned [individuals varied]. Aesthetics took a dive, but what could you expect, given the massive increase in size, no doubt caused by the massive increase in doses?
These days, bodybuilding truly HAS gone downhill...in that the guys are generally smaller than the guys in the 1990s. Possibly just as lean, but on average, smaller than the top bodybuilders of Ronnie's era.
That could be because there are more categories in the IFBB to compete in now, diluting the talent pool for the open bodybuilding class...or it could be because bodybuilding simply maxed out with Ronnie Coleman, in terms of human genetic potential.
Or maybe...both have caused the current decline we are seeing in men's open bodybuilding in the IFBB.
Not to say these guys look bad or anything - they are simply not at the level of the 1990s IFBB pro bodybuilders, *on average*.
Or...could it be that the average is the same or better, but that the average among the elite of the IFBB pros - the top six - has declied?
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They all look like Stewie, or as Brian says "Lou Ferrigno's Poop"..
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And people think it’s all genetics lmfao 1000% drugs, nothing more. Ugly physique as well
Can't you see how obvious it is that you are wrong? They all are juiced to the gills. What makes one a Coleman and another a Dareem Charles? You think it's because Coleman took more drugs? Take two people of the same height, weight, and build and give them the exact training routine, nutrition, and drugs. Do you really think they will progress exactly the same?
How long have you been at this? Haven't you noticed how many people juice, train hard, but would be laughed off-stage?
Do you remember Victor Conte? The maker of champions through chemicals. Even he laughed that off and said that it's not just the drugs but also a person's response to drugs -- a genetic trait. It applies to everything. How you respond to training. How you respond to caloric intake.
It's not a coincidence that guys like Jay, Ronnie, Dorian noticed that they
were just naturally stronger than everyone else in the gym.
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I've seen worse physiques win shows, even during the so-called neo-"Golden Age" of the mid 90s.
Oh yeah me too but think of Shawn Ray,Makkawy,Labrada,Wheeler,Demayo,Levrone,Nubret,Padilla,Ferrigno,Arnold,Oliva,Bannout,etc. etc. and most of the guys that placed behind them.............THAT was bodybuilding to me not a Ooompa Loompa like Branch Warren or an oilbag like Kevin English who had 5 deltoid heads, who both among many many others got gift after gift as their bodies regressed into pure shit.
Most of these big gutted non-walking goons today dont inspire me to train like the guys I listed above.
Just my opinion but Nick looks like a bag of smashed assholes.....a HUGE bag, but still a bag of smashed assholes.
All these cookie cutter 50 inch waisted bodies and reliance on gear to the point of insanity has ruined bodybuilding............ ...for me anyway.
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
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Can't you see how obvious it is that you are wrong? They all are juiced to the gills. What makes one a Coleman and another a Dareem Charles? You think it's because Coleman took more drugs? Take two people of the same height, weight, and build and give them the exact training routine, nutrition, and drugs. Do you really think they will progress exactly the same?
How long have you been at this? Haven't you noticed how many people juice, train hard, but would be laughed off-stage?
Do you remember Victor Conte? The maker of champions through chemicals. Even he laughed that off and said that it's not just the drugs but also a person's response to drugs -- a genetic trait. It applies to everything. How you respond to training. How you respond to caloric intake.
It's not a coincidence that guys like Jay, Ronnie, Dorian noticed that they
were just naturally stronger than everyone else in the gym.
Nice soliloquy there, I still stand by my statement. It is all drugs. You call it a generic response to drugs which is a nicer way to put it but it doesn’t change a thing. I’ve been at this for a bit, I am 99.9% sure I have attained a better physique than you, I’ve done well in competitive bodybuilding and have many friends who are currently IFBB pros in multiple divisions. You bet your ass it is 100% who can push drugs the most coupled with good muscle shape, conditioning etc. one of my closest friends just did his final pro show and he’s not even 30 Getz. Why you ask? Well, he understands that to be top 5-6 at the Olympia it will require he up his dosages significantly and in turn cut years off his life. He isn’t willing to make the trade off but I know MANY who are. You can think what you want and that’s fine, I’m speaking from experience and being in the trenches princess.
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Can't you see how obvious it is that you are wrong? They all are juiced to the gills. What makes one a Coleman and another a Dareem Charles? You think it's because Coleman took more drugs? Take two people of the same height, weight, and build and give them the exact training routine, nutrition, and drugs. Do you really think they will progress exactly the same?
How long have you been at this? Haven't you noticed how many people juice, train hard, but would be laughed off-stage?
Do you remember Victor Conte? The maker of champions through chemicals. Even he laughed that off and said that it's not just the drugs but also a person's response to drugs -- a genetic trait. It applies to everything. How you respond to training. How you respond to caloric intake.
It's not a coincidence that guys like Jay, Ronnie, Dorian noticed that they
were just naturally stronger than everyone else in the gym.
Side note, yes many people take gear but walk into any gym, 99% of those fucks have no idea how to properly train and don’t even get started on nutrition. I can tell your a fucking dweeb just by your response. Sideline warrior your whole life
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
Varicose veins of peace. Wish him well but we all know how this story is going to end.
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
His pecs are almost laughably weak in most front and side poses. Very short and narrow -- poor muscle insertions -- almost Heath-like. It seems chests don't win or lose shows these days, though...
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Of course its all drugs, all water, all fake muscle bloat.
Hafthor went off, he lost 100 pounds. All water. Do you think Muscle tissue just dissolves and disappears?
Dusty lost 73 lbs. in a month in hospital, pure fluid. The toll that gear-usage takes on organs (liver, kidneys, heart) is amazing.
These guys ae walking water-balloons.
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
He`ll get smoked trust me......possibly lower portion of top 10 and that`s just because the judges have no fucking clue.
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His pecs are almost laughably weak in most front and side poses. Very short and narrow -- poor muscle insertions -- almost Heath-like. It seems chests don't win or lose shows these days, though...
Oh poor guy, he has poor muscle insertions LIKA A 7 TIME Mr. OLYMPIA, I guess he won't do well then in the pro ranks then... ::)
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
Na, he’s going to get crushed. Only way he places top 6 is if everyone shows up way off. His side shots are incredible but his legs from the front are not great, at least insertion wise. I’m not hating on the kid, I think he will place well but at the expense of taking them decades off his life.
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
This kid's biggest impact will be the one where while strutting the dais with his hand cupping one ear to encourage a standing schmoevation from the Fairy Queen crowd he suddenly strokes out and does an O'Hearn from the stage to the floor below.
BOOM!
Brother Wes is correct.
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Pellius and Prowler are both correct.
The Scott and Wes are also correct.
Top competitors are trading their health for temporary muscles.
Anybody can see it's totally worth it.
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Kid seems sharp as a marble on Fouad's Podcast. ::)
Swollen organs of piss.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672995.0;attach=1309093)
If this isn't proof that it's all drugs...Just look at this bean pole! "Genetics"? FTN. I've seen 70s champions and my friends when they were off and they were average at worst and at best it looked like they lifted a bit.
Being able to temporarily survive a drug regimen that would make Dr. Mengele blush isn't "genetics", it's dumb-fuck-luck.
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If this isn't proof that it's all drugs...Just look at this bean pole! "Genetics"? FTN. I've seen 70s champions and my friends when they were off and they were average at worst and at best it looked like they lifted a bit.
Being able to temporarily survive a drug regimen that would make Dr. Mengele blush isn't "genetics", it's dumb-fuck-luck.
Just looking at his before picture you can see how genetically superior he was before he ever touched a drug.
I can't help being envious of someone nature so favored.
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Just looking at his before picture you can see how genetically superior he was before he ever touched a drug.
I can't help being envious of someone nature so favored.
;D That is sooooo "British" my friend. Superb! So "dry" it crackles. Excellent!
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Just looking at his before picture you can see how genetically superior he was before he ever touched a drug.
I can't help being envious of someone nature so favored.
Good post Iron Nat. ;D
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A picture is worth a thousand words.
Shredded.
Absolutely - no question - he was the clear winner. But for me, this is the age-old rhetorical question of 'which build is your personal favourite' - much more interesting ;D
Eldon - no offence buddy, I can see you have that young man's back (so to speak) - I just prefer to differ
I look forward to the results when (if?) Mostafa gets peeled tho... ;)
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The kid is amazing, he's already crushing the competition size- AND conditioning-wise at his very young age. Also no real weak points. Will make a huge impact at the Olympia
Bro...
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Just looking at his before picture you can see how genetically superior he was before he ever touched a drug.
I can't help being envious of someone nature so favored.
Dave D gimmick account confirmed ;D
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Sometimes, less is more.
I think these guys need to seriously reduce the dosage. It's gotten way out of hand and no longer looks even remotely aesthetically pleasing. It shouldn't be a contest to see who can morph their bodies into a science experiment gone wrong. If you end up looking more like "The Thing" from the fantastic four versus something Michaelangelo carved up, then you're likely doing it all wrong.
The idea is to be a picture of health, vitality, vigor... The envy of men and desire of women etc. When you look like one of the adverse effects described behind that vial of testosterone, you've failed in my opinion.
Then again, the largest I think bodybuilders should get is to the level of Arnold and the competitors from the 70s. Bigger than that and I think it looks retarded. I know many will disagree with me on this one and that's fine.
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Sometimes, less is more.
I think these guys need to seriously reduce the dosage. It's gotten way out of hand and no longer looks even remotely aesthetically pleasing. It shouldn't be a contest to see who can morph their bodies into a science experiment gone wrong. If you end up looking more like "The Thing" from the fantastic four versus something Michaelangelo carved up, then you're likely doing it all wrong.
The idea is to be a picture of health, vitality, vigor... The envy of men and desire of women etc. When you look like one of the adverse effects described behind that vial of testosterone, you've failed in my opinion.
Then again, the largest I think bodybuilders should get is to the level of Arnold and the competitors from the 70s. Bigger than that and I think it looks retarded. I know many will disagree with me on this one and that's fine.
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Well stated, brother.
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1000 x better than Branch the goblin Warren.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiTfiegWAAINTTl.jpg)
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Don't be sad Nick, I'm not saying you aren't huge, I'm just saying I have a thing for symmetry and beauty (bit h0mo, sure...)
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Absolutely - no question - he was the clear winner. But for me, this is the age-old rhetorical question of 'which build is your personal favourite' - much more interesting ;D
Eldon - no offence buddy, I can see you have that young man's back (so to speak) - I just prefer to differ
I look forward to the results when (if?) Mostafa gets peeled tho... ;)
Mostafa has an amazing build.
I'd never want to look like Nick.
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Ive been training for 30yrs, fucktard. These fools doing it for a living are idiots!
Like I haven't as well?? How is a man pursuing a sport he enjoys and getting paid to play as an adult an idiot? Every middle aged cubicle jockey in America would kill to be a pro athlete. And for every soy boy on here saying they are not aesthetic and use too much gear fuck off and go watch mens pyhsique fucking queers. bodybuilkding has evolved people want to see the freaks.
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LOL "prowlermaniac" learn how to use the "quote" function and how to spell before you try to make a point, you retard.
Know how to train? What, like you? The vast majority of guys on the national level hormonalize to nth degree aren't going to make it to the Olympia stage no matter what they do. Are you saying they don't know how to train and eat? Why should that even matter if it's all drugs? Like most unintelligent and illiterate meatheads you contradict your own argument but are just too stupid to realize it.
And lol @ being in the "trenches". Queers like you crack me up.
BTW, it's a "genetic" response to drugs, not "generic". God, what a dumb-dumb. How do guys like you even get through life without drowning yourself in the toilet or suffocating themselves from a plastic trash bag?
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Of course its all drugs, all water, all fake muscle bloat.
Hafthor went off, he lost 100 pounds. All water. Do you think Muscle tissue just dissolves and disappears?
Dusty lost 73 lbs. in a month in hospital, pure fluid. The toll that gear-usage takes on organs (liver, kidneys, heart) is amazing.
These guys ae walking water-balloons.
Wait, you are talking about something different. Of course, at some point in a man's development, he isn't getting anywhere without drugs. Dr. Walczak, who was the steroid doctor to the pros in the 70s and 80s said that you reach most of your natural potential after the first year of proper training and nutrition. It's when someone claims it's only drugs that will produce a champion, that is just demonstrably false. It is your genetic response to hormones and training. Jay Cutler didn't train harder, eat more, or take more drugs than his competition.
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LOL "prowlermaniac" learn how to use the "quote" function and how to spell before you try to make a point, you retard.
Know how to train? What, like you? The vast majority of guys on the national level hormonalize to nth degree aren't going to make it to the Olympia stage no matter what they do. Are you saying they don't know how to train and eat? Why should that even matter if it's all drugs? Like most unintelligent and illiterate meatheads you contradict your own argument but are just too stupid to realize it.
And lol @ being in the "trenches". Queers like you crack me up.
Oh I misspelled a word, you got me. You’re a typical keyboard warrior. Genetic response to what? Drugs you fucking jackass. Plenty of pros know how to train and eat but you can’t change your genetic structure however you can can ungodly massive pushing drugs. Plenty of examples of the latter you fucking cuck.
BTW, it's a "genetic" response to drugs, not "generic". God, what a dumb-dumb. How do guys like you even get through life without drowning yourself in the toilet or suffocating themselves from a plastic trash bag?
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If this isn't proof that it's all drugs...Just look at this bean pole! "Genetics"? FTN. I've seen 70s champions and my friends when they were off and they were average at worst and at best it looked like they lifted a bit.
Being able to temporarily survive a drug regimen that would make Dr. Mengele blush isn't "genetics", it's dumb-fuck-luck.
You know very well that for every one person that shows a good response to drugs there are literally thousands that are juicing that don't. Many are on this board.
Drugs are a necessary but insufficient condition to get to the pro level. It's all genetics. And it's like that in other sports as well. It wasn't just hard training that made Michael Jordan a legend. A lot of his contemporaries trained just as hard. He was a gifted human being.
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Wait, you are talking about something different. Of course, at some point in a man's development, he isn't getting anywhere without drugs. Dr. Walczak, who was the steroid doctor to the pros in the 70s and 80s said that you reach most of your natural potential after the first year of proper training and nutrition. It's when someone claims it's only drugs that will produce a champion, that is just demonstrably false. It is your genetic response to hormones and training. Jay Cutler didn't train harder, eat more, or take more drugs than his competition.
Im guessing you were shooting jays ass daily to make that last statement
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Im guessing you were shooting jays ass daily to make that last statement
Wow! What a comeback! Your massive intellect on full display here.
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You know very well that for every one person that shows a good response to drugs there are literally thousands that are juicing that don't. Many are on this board.
Drugs are a necessary but insufficient condition to get to the pro level. It's all genetics. And it's like that in other sports as well. It wasn't just hard training that made Michael Jordan a legend. A lot of his contemporaries trained just as hard. He was a gifted human being.
Thousands that train like guys and eat like birds, yes. Guys training properly + pushing drugs will make significant progress. I never said they’d be MR Olympia
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Wow! What a comeback! Your massive intellect on full display here.
Ouch, I’m offended princess
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Just looking at his before picture you can see how genetically superior he was before he ever touched a drug.
I can't help being envious of someone nature so favored.
Just like Arnold.
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Pellius is correct some guys will always look like shit no matter what they take other guys look great from day 1 at any size. It's genetics but it is also nurture by the time people go on gear they are adults. Were they athletes as children did they spend the first 18 years playing sports or video games. We can't pretend the first 20 years of life don't matter. You can't just feed a slob an unlimited amount of anabolics and expect them to become Mr Olympia it doesn't work that way.
Also I don't believe the doses even at the pro level have changed much at all in the last 50 years.
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Oh Jeeze, after all these years you still haven't learned to use a computer
and its basic functions properly.
Did you even graduate high school?
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Thousands that train like guys and eat like birds, yes. Guys training properly + pushing drugs will make significant progress. I never said they’d be MR Olympia
Guys training properly and eating properly will make significant progress without drugs. How much progress they will make will depend on their genetic predisposition toward muscle hypertrophy. The same applies with those on drugs.
Try to think intelligently and logically.
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Ouch, I’m offended princess
No need to admit it. It is very obvious that I am in your thick, dumb meat head.
Back in the "trenches". LOL!
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The dude is a freak, just crazy genetics. We all die one day at least his living his bodybuilding dream
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The dosages have not changed in 50 years there have always been guys willing to take a ton is anyone today taking more than Pete claimed in the 70s? hell no because there is a limiting factor you can only shoot so much oil before you will get problems
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You know very well that for every one person that shows a good response to drugs there are literally thousands that are juicing that don't. Many are on this board.
Drugs are a necessary but insufficient condition to get to the pro level. It's all genetics. And it's like that in other sports as well. It wasn't just hard training that made Michael Jordan a legend. A lot of his contemporaries trained just as hard. He was a gifted human being.
I only know what I have witnessed from an empirical standpoint. My friends and training partners in the 70s and early to mid 80s along with several 70s era champions from the original Gold's. Off drugs they were normal to a bit above average. We all knew this was going to happen and they had no problem because they said they did NOT want to abuse their bodies because no one really knew what too much was or what too much would do. Do you recall when Robbie Robinson first tried to remain "in contest shape" year 'round?
Supposed congenital heart problems, that's what happened.
And Dr. Walczak was a schmoe of the first order. No...He never came on to me as he knew better or so my friends told me. But a few of my friends, one in particular, were offered training time in Palm Springs and assistance with their supplementation. Yuck!
I have no doubt that drugs work. Do they work better on some than others? Sure. But the mere fact that they work as well as they do on "woMEN" shows me that it ain't "genetics". Be well, brother!
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Of course its all drugs, all water, all fake muscle bloat.
Hafthor went off, he lost 100 pounds. All water. Do you think Muscle tissue just dissolves and disappears?
Dusty lost 73 lbs. in a month in hospital, pure fluid. The toll that gear-usage takes on organs (liver, kidneys, heart) is amazing.
These guys ae walking water-balloons.
Why was this guy hospitalized? If you get seriously ill, you'll drop weight quickly (thanks to cortisol). I caught the flu and was down for a week. I dropped 10 pounds and when I returned to the gym, I struggled with weights I could normally handle only a few weeks earlier.
Were those guys still training and eating? One of the reasons guys drop so much weight when off the anabolics is because they stop doing everything else as well. No mega-calorie eating, no hanging-and-banging in the gym, nada.
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Dave D gimmick account confirmed ;D
I wish this was my work…..
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Oh yeah me too but think of Shawn Ray,Makkawy,Labrada,Wheeler,Demayo,Levrone,Nubret,Padilla,Ferrigno,Arnold,Oliva,Bannout,etc. etc. and most of the guys that placed behind them.............THAT was bodybuilding to me not a Ooompa Loompa like Branch Warren or an oilbag like Kevin English who had 5 deltoid heads, who both among many many others got gift after gift as their bodies regressed into pure shit.
Most of these big gutted non-walking goons today dont inspire me to train like the guys I listed above.
Just my opinion but Nick looks like a bag of smashed assholes.....a HUGE bag, but still a bag of smashed assholes.
All these cookie cutter 50 inch waisted bodies and reliance on gear to the point of insanity has ruined bodybuilding............ ...for me anyway.
But, many of the old timers thought the same about the very men you mentioned.
I get your point, though. Sometimes I get inspired by old-school pics of Bill Pearl or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Other times, I like the new jacks like former Mr. Os, Brandon Curry or (in his prime) Phil Heath.
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Genetics are one thing, but the "ability" to withstand grams of gear on a weekly basis is part of that.
We have guys walking around at a lean 270 pounds. That's a lot of AAS, GH and slin.
People can claim genetics all day long, but the fact remains that if you look at the guys from the 70's and 80's compared to the last 10 years. It's not genetics that changed, it's the drugs and knowledge of how to use them.
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Genetics are one thing, but the "ability" to withstand grams of gear on a weekly basis is part of that.
We have guys walking around at a lean 270 pounds. That's a lot of AAS, GH and slin.
People can claim genetics all day long, but the fact remains that if you look at the guys from the 70's and 80's compared to the last 10 years. It's not genetics that changed, it's the drugs and knowledge of how to use them.
The guys in the 60s and 70s didn't train year round for as many years nutrition is what has changed the most everyone is still using the same amount of stuff
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The guys in the 60s and 70s didn't train year round for as many years nutrition is what has changed the most everyone is still using the same amount of stuff
You're just trying to make me feel better by pretending to be this FUCKING STOOOOOOOOOOPID.
Right?
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The guys in the 60s and 70s didn't train year round for as many years nutrition is what has changed the most everyone is still using the same amount of stuff
You're retarded if you believe that.
Food has not changed at all. Just more supplements which are primarily snake oil.
You think eating grass fed beef (rinsed of course) is what adds 40 pounds of lean muscle to these guys? ;D
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You're retarded if you believe that.
Food has not changed at all. Just more supplements which are primarily snake oil.
You think eating grass fed beef (rinsed of course) is what adds 40 pounds of lean muscle to these guys? ;D
Food? No. What about the amount of food? Were guys pushing 10,000 calories a day during Arnold's time?
I remember when John Parillo was talking about eating up to 10,000 calories per day. He predicted one day that bodybuilders would compete at 300 lbs ripped. People thought he was nuts.
Next thing you know, we get Lou Ferrigno at 316 lbs at the 1993 Olympia. Then came Gunter Schlierkamp at 300, not super ripped but in decent contest shape.
Big Lou claimed he was eating way more food (particularly carbs) than he did during the "Pumping Iron" era. He said he had to look like a bodybuilder of the 90s, not the 70s.
Even Dexter Jackson said that he had to jack up his calories to put on the size needed to keep up with the young bucks. He also had to finally do cardio.
You can only ingest anabolics to a certain point, before it does more harm than good.
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Food? No. What about the amount of food? Were guys pushing 10,000 calories a day during Arnold's time?
I remember when John Parillo was talking about eating up to 10,000 calories per day. He predicted one day that bodybuilders would compete at 300 lbs ripped. People thought he was nuts.
Next thing you know, we get Lou Ferrigno at 316 lbs at the 1993 Olympia. Then came Gunter Schlierkamp at 300, not super ripped but in decent contest shape.
Big Lou claimed he was eating way more food (particularly carbs) than he did during the "Pumping Iron" era. He said he had to look like a bodybuilder of the 90s, not the 70s.
Even Dexter Jackson said that he had to jack up his calories to put on the size needed to keep up with the young bucks. He also had to finally do cardio.
You can only ingest anabolics to a certain point, before it does more harm than good.
You can't get that big off just food. You need a lot of anabolics.
They all say it's food and supplements (they are endorsed) that gains them size because saying it's insulin, gh, peptides, sarms and AAS makes them look bad.
I can tell you from many years of working with bodybuilders personally that it's drugs>food.
You want to gain 20 pounds you have to up the dosage, period.
In the 70's they relied on anabolics, they didn't have 20 different compounds to use including the above, large test and tren doses.
I gained 20 pounds just adding insulin/gh in 4 months. Same diet.
I've pushed the limits of AAS use and food, it's the drugs that make the difference.
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You can't get that big off just food. You need a lot of anabolics.
They all say it's food and supplements (they are endorsed) that gains them size because saying it's insulin, gh, peptides, sarms and AAS makes them look bad.
I can tell you from many years of working with bodybuilders personally that it's drugs>food.
You want to gain 20 pounds you have to up the dosage, period.
In the 70's they relied on anabolics, they didn't have 20 different compounds to use including the above, large test and tren doses.
I gained 20 pounds just adding insulin/gh in 4 months. Same diet.
I've pushed the limits of AAS use and food, it's the drugs that make the difference.
Yet, we keep hearing all these stories of guys upping the dosage but not getting anywhere near the size of many of these pro bodybuilders.
I never said it was just food alone. But, ignoring that factor and just putting all on drugs makes no sense. At some point, increased usage does more harm than good.
20 lbs in four months? That sounds like first-time gains to me. Heck, the first time I loaded with creatine, I put on 12 lbs in 21/2weeks. Suffice it to say, I've never replicated those results with subsequent use, since then.
The guys from Arnold's day weren't eating the mega-calories that today's pros (or those from the early 2000s) were.
Take Dexter Jackson. Are we to believe the he just kept "upping the dosage", yet managed to compete for over two decades, relatively scott free? Shouldn't Dex be in the ground right now? He would have had to "up the dosage" to turn pro, "up the dosage" to be Mr. Olympia 10 years later, then "up the dosage" to keep up with guys much younger than he is, for the next decade plus.
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I only know what I have witnessed from an empirical standpoint. My friends and training partners in the 70s and early to mid 80s along with several 70s era champions from the original Gold's. Off drugs they were normal to a bit above average. We all knew this was going to happen and they had no problem because they said they did NOT want to abuse their bodies because no one really knew what too much was or what too much would do. Do you recall when Robbie Robinson first tried to remain "in contest shape" year 'round?
Supposed congenital heart problems, that's what happened.
And Dr. Walczak was a schmoe of the first order. No...He never came on to me as he knew better or so my friends told me. But a few of my friends, one in particular, were offered training time in Palm Springs and assistance with their supplementation. Yuck!
I have no doubt that drugs work. Do they work better on some than others? Sure. But the mere fact that they work as well as they do on "woMEN" shows me that it ain't "genetics". Be well, brother!
Scott, you are not saying anything new. Of course, when someone goes off drugs he will lose muscle mass. If he stops weight training he will lose muscle mass. If he stops eating he will lose muscle mass. But like prowler you contradict yourself. You concede that they work better on some than on others. Why? The fact that different people will get different responses to the same stimulus should show you that it IS genetics. If not, then explain to me why one progresses differently under the same protocol.
Yes, Walczak was a schome. He was a homosexual. I'm sure a lot of doctors are gay. But he also was an accomplished physician and helped many bodybuilders become champs. He even felt that he could get our own Vince Basile into the top tier. I wouldn't doubt it. Vince had good bodybuilding genetics.
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Why was this guy hospitalized? If you get seriously ill, you'll drop weight quickly (thanks to cortisol). I caught the flu and was down for a week. I dropped 10 pounds and when I returned to the gym, I struggled with weights I could normally handle only a few weeks earlier.
Were those guys still training and eating? One of the reasons guys drop so much weight when off the anabolics is because they stop doing everything else as well. No mega-calorie eating, no hanging-and-banging in the gym, nada.
Exactly! Everybody seems to discount the fact that a lot of guys when they retire just stop weight training altogether and certainly don't eat like they use to do.
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Genetics are one thing, but the "ability" to withstand grams of gear on a weekly basis is part of that.
We have guys walking around at a lean 270 pounds. That's a lot of AAS, GH and slin.
People can claim genetics all day long, but the fact remains that if you look at the guys from the 70's and 80's compared to the last 10 years. It's not genetics that changed, it's the drugs and knowledge of how to use them.
Again, a very simple concept seems to escape you. Being able to tolerate and withstand tons of gear for long periods of time is also a genetic trait. Ronnie alluded to this in one of his interviews.
Comparing guys from the 80s to now is a non sequitur. Yes, bodybuilders today have many things available to them that they didn't have before. Better equipment, better knowledge, and information, the drugs are the same but more is used and better understood. If Arnold were in his prime today and having access to what they have today he would have vastly improved his muscle size.
Saying that protocols have changed still does not discount one's genetic response to that change in protocol.
Take yourself as an example. Do you really think you could get to pro size just by taking enough drugs? You're a bodybuilder training for years. You are busting your ass trying to build my muscle. My guess is that you haven't changed much in years and just don't have the genetics to respond to training, food, and drugs like a Ramy can.
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Food? No. What about the amount of food? Were guys pushing 10,000 calories a day during Arnold's time?
I remember when John Parillo was talking about eating up to 10,000 calories per day. He predicted one day that bodybuilders would compete at 300 lbs ripped. People thought he was nuts.
Next thing you know, we get Lou Ferrigno at 316 lbs at the 1993 Olympia. Then came Gunter Schlierkamp at 300, not super ripped but in decent contest shape.
Big Lou claimed he was eating way more food (particularly carbs) than he did during the "Pumping Iron" era. He said he had to look like a bodybuilder of the 90s, not the 70s.
Even Dexter Jackson said that he had to jack up his calories to put on the size needed to keep up with the young bucks. He also had to finally do cardio.
You can only ingest anabolics to a certain point, before it does more harm than good.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Spot on!
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You can't get that big off just food. You need a lot of anabolics.
They all say it's food and supplements (they are endorsed) that gains them size because saying it's insulin, gh, peptides, sarms and AAS makes them look bad.
I can tell you from many years of working with bodybuilders personally that it's drugs>food.
You want to gain 20 pounds you have to up the dosage, period.
In the 70's they relied on anabolics, they didn't have 20 different compounds to use including the above, large test and tren doses.
I gained 20 pounds just adding insulin/gh in 4 months. Same diet.
I've pushed the limits of AAS use and food, it's the drugs that make the difference.
Wow Overload! I've always considered you a pretty knowledgeable guy and shocked at the sheer nonsense of this post. Drugs over food to get big.
Say you get two identical clones maintaining a consistent weight at 2,500 calories a day training the exact same way. One clone takes 2 grams of gear a day but maintains his current caloric and macro nutrient ratio at 2,500 calories per day. The second clone remains natural, still trains, but increases his caloric intake by 1,500 calories. After three months who is bigger?
Working with bodybuilders? What does that mean? You do know that many increase their drug intake yet lose weight and lose muscle when prepping for a show?
The 20 pounds you gained was a lot of water weight. Your diet didn't remain the same. You can't build something out of nothing.
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Yet, we keep hearing all these stories of guys upping the dosage but not getting anywhere near the size of many of these pro bodybuilders.
I never said it was just food alone. But, ignoring that factor and just putting all on drugs makes no sense. At some point, increased usage does more harm than good.
20 lbs in four months? That sounds like first-time gains to me. Heck, the first time I loaded with creatine, I put on 12 lbs in 21/2weeks. Suffice it to say, I've never replicated those results with subsequent use, since then.
The guys from Arnold's day weren't eating the mega-calories that today's pros (or those from the early 2000s) were.
Take Dexter Jackson. Are we to believe the he just kept "upping the dosage", yet managed to compete for over two decades, relatively scott free? Shouldn't Dex be in the ground right now? He would have had to "up the dosage" to turn pro, "up the dosage" to be Mr. Olympia 10 years later, then "up the dosage" to keep up with guys much younger than he is, for the next decade plus.
It's always refreshing to read someone using logic and reason, as well as good old common sense, when making an argument.
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Kid starts getting that Ronnie Coleman look, with sides of beef just hangin' from his body. I see a very bright future for him 8) (Top 3)
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Bhank, every time you speak, you weaken the nation. You know nothing about the history of anabolics it seems.
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Yet, we keep hearing all these stories of guys upping the dosage but not getting anywhere near the size of many of these pro bodybuilders.
I never said it was just food alone. But, ignoring that factor and just putting all on drugs makes no sense. At some point, increased usage does more harm than good.
20 lbs in four months? That sounds like first-time gains to me. Heck, the first time I loaded with creatine, I put on 12 lbs in 21/2weeks. Suffice it to say, I've never replicated those results with subsequent use, since then.
The guys from Arnold's day weren't eating the mega-calories that today's pros (or those from the early 2000s) were.
Take Dexter Jackson. Are we to believe the he just kept "upping the dosage", yet managed to compete for over two decades, relatively scott free? Shouldn't Dex be in the ground right now? He would have had to "up the dosage" to turn pro, "up the dosage" to be Mr. Olympia 10 years later, then "up the dosage" to keep up with guys much younger than he is, for the next decade plus.
Dexter started out as a bantamweight, he’s a very small man, 5’6, naturally just tiny, he went as high as 250’s in the off season, ask coach, he got very big in the off season during his last few years of competing
He has competed in the 230’s, he said so himself, that’s 100 pounds more than when he first stepped on stage, shredded too. That’s A LOT of weight to gain on a 5’6 structure
I would reckon he gradually upped the dosages since he was a bantamweight, but played it “smart”
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Wow Overload! I've always considered you a pretty knowledgeable guy and shocked at the sheer nonsense of this post. Drugs over food to get big.
Say you get two identical clones maintaining a consistent weight at 2,500 calories a day training the exact same way. One clone takes 2 grams of gear a day but maintains his current caloric and macro nutrient ratio at 2,500 calories per day. The second clone remains natural, still trains, but increases his caloric intake by 1,500 calories. After three months who is bigger?
Working with bodybuilders? What does that mean? You do know that many increase their drug intake yet lose weight and lose muscle when prepping for a show?
The 20 pounds you gained was a lot of water weight. Your diet didn't remain the same. You can't build something out of nothing.
I’ve actually tried this myself, I gained a lot more on gear eating like 2200 calories a day vs I was clean and eating 3500 calories a day
I was leaner, muscles popped more and hard while on gear and eating low calories
I agree with overload
However, to be a successful bber all three has to be on point, training, eating, and drugs
But a local gym rats, if you are consistent with training, decent to average genetics, eating here and there, IMO, again, drugs are the most important from my experience
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Wow Overload! I've always considered you a pretty knowledgeable guy and shocked at the sheer nonsense of this post. Drugs over food to get big.
Say you get two identical clones maintaining a consistent weight at 2,500 calories a day training the exact same way. One clone takes 2 grams of gear a day but maintains his current caloric and macro nutrient ratio at 2,500 calories per day. The second clone remains natural, still trains, but increases his caloric intake by 1,500 calories. After three months who is bigger?
Working with bodybuilders? What does that mean? You do know that many increase their drug intake yet lose weight and lose muscle when prepping for a show?
The 20 pounds you gained was a lot of water weight. Your diet didn't remain the same. You can't build something out of nothing.
Yes, but let me give you another scenario. To clones, same training and diet and calorie intake, but one is on gear the other is not. The guy on the gear will get more muscle and lower body fat than the natty.
So gear works. But yes, beyond a certain level its effects my be diminishing or counter productive.
I had a friend (world class powerlifter) who made amazing gains on a moderate dosage of test + deca. Looked amazing, He decided, for various reasons to move up a bodyweight class, and then even more more class after that. He upped the test + deca dosage, added in winstrol and anadrol. He lifted more than ever, but became really bloated and puffy looking, not helped by the fact that he was quite short to begin with. He broke personal records at that higher class, but is ideal weight in my view was back down to where he was with the lower dosages.
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Bhank, every time you speak, you weaken the nation. You know nothing about the history of anabolics it seems.
The most effective Anabolics are still the same things they discovered 50-100 plus years ago. Also if insulin worked so great Milos wouldn’t have needed to damn near kill himself injecting SEO into his no tricep having small arms. Palumbo did not haves good look fuck Insulin you can accomplish the same thing timing your sugar intake. Have desert with your meal boom insulin spike to help digestion no need to be banging insulin. McKee is spot on they are eating more food to get bigger to stay competitive the Anabolics are the same. Peptides and insulin and farms have nothing on old school
Anabolics hell in the 70s it was all legal pharmacy grade stuff they had better access stuff then than now
70s bodybuilders were basically part time amateurs there was no money in bodybuilding guys didn’t do it film time for a decade
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Genetics = response to drugs...
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Kid starts getting that Ronnie Coleman look, with sides of beef just hangin' from his body. I see a very bright future for him 8) (Top 3)
Nice 1-2-3 picture in front of the conference room bathrooms.
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Bhank, every time you speak, you weaken the nation. You know nothing about the history of anabolics it seems.
Bhank went off his meds.
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The most effective Anabolics are still the same things they discovered 50-100 plus years ago. Also if insulin worked so great Milos wouldn’t have needed to damn near kill himself injecting SEO into his no tricep having small arms. Palumbo did not haves good look fuck Insulin you can accomplish the same thing timing your sugar intake. Have desert with your meal boom insulin spike to help digestion no need to be banging insulin. McKee is spot on they are eating more food to get bigger to stay competitive the Anabolics are the same. Peptides and insulin and farms have nothing on old school
Anabolics hell in the 70s it was all legal pharmacy grade stuff they had better access stuff then than now
70s bodybuilders were basically part time amateurs there was no money in bodybuilding guys didn’t do it film time for a decade
Most worked for a living. Supposedly Arnold and Franco were the only ones to actually make money from bodybuilding (guest posing and courses) and it was said to be around $50,000 a year for Arnold. Then someone thought it would make a good "career" and so it began. Lazy men and women everywhere took drugs and sold their holes and souls only to wind up for the greater part like Denise Rutkowski, a free range hobo-ess.
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Don't be sad Nick, I'm not saying you aren't huge, I'm just saying I have a thing for symmetry and beauty (bit h0mo, sure...)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672995.0;attach=1309159;image)
You know, one could make the statement (cuz it's no arugument) that Paris' physique shits all over the turd that is this Nick's bloated sprayed on diarrhea tan body. But Nick probably wants a "Ferrigno" (i.e., $20) for even having someone mention him getting crapped on so I'll just say that Paris is vastly superior in both physique and looks. ;D
Nick looks like he's doing his famous "O-Facial" pose...Very poopular with the schmoes. FTN.
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Dexter started out as a bantamweight, he’s a very small man, 5’6, naturally just tiny, he went as high as 250’s in the off season, ask coach, he got very big in the off season during his last few years of competing
He has competed in the 230’s, he said so himself, that’s 100 pounds more than when he first stepped on stage, shredded too. That’s A LOT of weight to gain on a 5’6 structure
I would reckon he gradually upped the dosages since he was a bantamweight, but played it “smart”
I know he started as a bantamweight. I first saw him on American Muscle, winning the Southern States title as a middleweight. He said he'd be unbeatable if he became a light-heavyweight because he had the shape, the muscle bellies, everything.
He won his class at the USA that year (1995, I believe) but lost the overall to Phil Hernon (that was the same show where Craig Titus threw his temper tantrum when he got relegated to 2nd in the heavies).
Dex was getting bigger in the offseason his last few years as a pro. He also stated that his coach (George Farah, if I'm not mistaken) was stuffing him like a prized bird for late November. He'd never eaten that much food in his life, he claimed. And he was eating more actual food and not drinking as many shakes anymore.
Bodybuilders have to be big and full these days, according to Dex. So they're being gorged like never before (to which he also attributed the bellies). More guys are trying to cram on too much mass for their frames. So, their physiques look like an assemblage of other people's bodyparts, with their tummies protruding.
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Exactly! Everybody seems to discount the fact that a lot of guys when they retire just stop weight training altogether and certainly don't eat like they use to do.
Here's an interesting example for you old-school wrestling fans. Remember the Ultimate Warrior from 1992?
That whole rumor of being two different guys playing the character started because Warrior (Jim Hellwig) came back 30 pounds lighter, smoother, and rocking shorter hair. Of course, it was while McMahon was being grilled for steroids in the WWF (and subsequently the WBF). So, he started testing everyone for everything but the kitchen sink.
Was Warrior smaller? Yes. Was he a complete twig? Absolutely not!
Of course, he started using them again to get harden up (even though he didn't regain all of his size) and got fired two weeks before Survivor Series....But that is another tale ;D.
As long as you keep up the other stuff, when you get off the anabolics, you'll be smaller with more bodyfat. But you'll still be swole.
Most worked for a living. Supposedly Arnold and Franco were the only ones to actually make money from bodybuilding (guest posing and courses) and it was said to be around $50,000 a year for Arnold. Then someone thought it would make a good "career" and so it began. Lazy men and women everywhere took drugs and sold their holes and souls only to wind up for the greater part like Denise Rutkowski, a free range hobo-ess.
Rutkowski (the white Lenda Murray) was a straight-up crackhead. That lead to her being a free range hobo-ess.
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It's always refreshing to read someone using logic and reason, as well as good old common sense, when making an argument.
Thanks.
Shouldn't the real concern be these 212 guys? What are all the weird things they're doing to get down to 212 when they're weighed, only to balloon back up to 225 (or more) when they actually compete?
Nobody can tell me that James "Flex" Lewis weighed only 212 for any of his wins. It may be safer for him to do the open.
I recall reading an interview with Johnnie Jackson, on how he and his then-wife had him running outside in sweats and doing all kinds of silliness to get him to 198 for the NPC Nationals. Once he was officially deemed a light-heavyweight, he drank and ate his weight up 17 pounds to compete on stage (where he won the whole show).
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Such an idiotic pursuit bodybuilding. If you’re going to put the time and money into something at least make sure it pays enough to pay your rent.
I wonder at what age a paying IFBB card holder realizes this . If ever
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH le VRO neeeeeeeee
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If this isn't proof that it's all drugs...Just look at this bean pole! "Genetics"? FTN. I've seen 70s champions and my friends when they were off and they were average at worst and at best it looked like they lifted a bit.
Being able to temporarily survive a drug regimen that would make Dr. Mengele blush isn't "genetics", it's dumb-fuck-luck.
He did this over a period of 9 years, not 9 months.
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Wow Overload! I've always considered you a pretty knowledgeable guy and shocked at the sheer nonsense of this post. Drugs over food to get big.
Say you get two identical clones maintaining a consistent weight at 2,500 calories a day training the exact same way. One clone takes 2 grams of gear a day but maintains his current caloric and macro nutrient ratio at 2,500 calories per day. The second clone remains natural, still trains, but increases his caloric intake by 1,500 calories. After three months who is bigger?
Working with bodybuilders? What does that mean? You do know that many increase their drug intake yet lose weight and lose muscle when prepping for a show?
The 20 pounds you gained was a lot of water weight. Your diet didn't remain the same. You can't build something out of nothing.
I've been around and training amatuer bodybuilders for 20+ years. It's all drugs.
In your scenario, the clone on drugs would make massive gains over there other, no questions asked.
I've done it. At 225 pounds and 600mg of gear, eating 2500 calories a day. After 4 months of training i observed the following:
1. Increase calories to 4k per day. No changes to AAS.
2. Leave calories alone and increase gear to 3k per week. Test, Eq, Dbol.
In scenario 2 i gained 40 pounds of weight. Same diet, same workouts. AND i was 4% leaner in BF.
Bodybuilding is all drugs, just because you've never experienced walking around lean at 260 pounds on massive amounts of drugs doesn't mean i'm wrong.
I've lived it. Eating more calories makes you FAT. Unless you are on a lot of gear. It's yin-yang. You need to increase your drugs and food to get big. But if you only increase food you will be fat. If you only increase gear you will get bigger. It's not that difficult to understand. I agree that you need both, but if you removed food not much changes, if you remove gear you shrink in a matter of weeks.
Of course it's water weight, if Mr Olympia quit taking AAS for 6 months he'd lose 100 pounds.
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What are all the weird things they're doing to get down to 212 when they're weighed, only to balloon back up to 225 (or more) when they actually compete?
Diuretics and fast acting steroids.
I've lost 30 pounds in 3 weeks, weighed in at 220 pounds and was 236 pounds 16 hours later.
Welcome to powerlifting.
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You know, one could make the statement (cuz it's no arugument) that Paris' physique shits all over the turd that is this Nick's bloated sprayed on diarrhea tan body. But Nick probably wants a "Ferrigno" (i.e., $20) for even having someone mention him getting crapped on so I'll just say that Paris is vastly superior in both physique and looks. ;D
Nick looks like he's doing his famous "O-Facial" pose...Very poopular with the schmoes. FTN.
One body and look could be described best as art, the other nothing but body vandalism, modern bodybuilding is nothing more than drugs with no shape or symmetry covenants. Like comparing Formula 1 to drag cars, one is speed and skill the other just horse power in a straight line or in this case drugs,drugs and more drugs nothing more.
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One body and look could be described best as art, the other nothing but body vandalism, modern bodybuilding is nothing more than drugs with no shape or symmetry covenants. Like comparing Formula 1 to drag cars, one is speed and skill the other just horse power in a straight line or in this case drugs,drugs and more drugs nothing more.
Good post......great analogy !!
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I've been around and training amatuer bodybuilders for 20+ years. It's all drugs.
In your scenario, the clone on drugs would make massive gains over there other, no questions asked.
I've done it. At 225 pounds and 600mg of gear, eating 2500 calories a day. After 4 months of training i observed the following:
1. Increase calories to 4k per day. No changes to AAS.
2. Leave calories alone and increase gear to 3k per week. Test, Eq, Dbol.
In scenario 2 i gained 40 pounds of weight. Same diet, same workouts. AND i was 4% leaner in BF.
Bodybuilding is all drugs, just because you've never experienced walking around lean at 260 pounds on massive amounts of drugs doesn't mean i'm wrong.
I've lived it. Eating more calories makes you FAT. Unless you are on a lot of gear. It's yin-yang. You need to increase your drugs and food to get big. But if you only increase food you will be fat. If you only increase gear you will get bigger. It's not that difficult to understand. I agree that you need both, but if you removed food not much changes, if you remove gear you shrink in a matter of weeks.
Of course it's water weight, if Mr Olympia quit taking AAS for 6 months he'd lose 100 pounds.
That's the way smart people view it. Pellius owned into oblivion.
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Don't be sad Nick, I'm not saying you aren't huge, I'm just saying I have a thing for symmetry and beauty (bit h0mo, sure...)
I would rather be built like Nick than Paris all day everyday
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I would rather be built like Nick than Paris all day everyday
Good post, Bhank.
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I would rather be built like Nick than Paris all day everyday
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death cult of peace
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I’ve actually tried this myself, I gained a lot more on gear eating like 2200 calories a day vs I was clean and eating 3500 calories a day
I was leaner, muscles popped more and hard while on gear and eating low calories
I agree with overload
However, to be a successful bber all three has to be on point, training, eating, and drugs
But a local gym rats, if you are consistent with training, decent to average genetics, eating here and there, IMO, again, drugs are the most important from my experience
When someone tells me they got bigger I am assuming that they have gained more weight. That can only be done of a caloric surplus. You can mess with conditioning and body proportions and look quite different at the same weight but you won't be bigger in the sense that it is defined. Your arms may get bigger but something else will get smaller, say your waist line.
But don't lose sight of the original argument. Prowler made the statement that it is 1000% drugs. That implies that if someone takes enough drugs and peptides he can be the size and condition of a pro bber. It is that I disagree with. You have to have the genetics to be a Dexter.
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Yes, but let me give you another scenario. To clones, same training and diet and calorie intake, but one is on gear the other is not. The guy on the gear will get more muscle and lower body fat than the natty.
So gear works. But yes, beyond a certain level its effects my be diminishing or counter productive.
I had a friend (world class powerlifter) who made amazing gains on a moderate dosage of test + deca. Looked amazing, He decided, for various reasons to move up a bodyweight class, and then even more more class after that. He upped the test + deca dosage, added in winstrol and anadrol. He lifted more than ever, but became really bloated and puffy looking, not helped by the fact that he was quite short to begin with. He broke personal records at that higher class, but is ideal weight in my view was back down to where he was with the lower dosages.
Cool story bro, but the argument was never about whether hormones or peptides work.
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Genetics = response to drugs...
That's all I've been trying to say. Not just drugs but food and training as well. It is your genetic predisposition that will determine how far you can go.
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I've been around and training amatuer bodybuilders for 20+ years. It's all drugs.
In your scenario, the clone on drugs would make massive gains over there other, no questions asked.
I've done it. At 225 pounds and 600mg of gear, eating 2500 calories a day. After 4 months of training i observed the following:
1. Increase calories to 4k per day. No changes to AAS.
2. Leave calories alone and increase gear to 3k per week. Test, Eq, Dbol.
In scenario 2 i gained 40 pounds of weight. Same diet, same workouts. AND i was 4% leaner in BF.
Bodybuilding is all drugs, just because you've never experienced walking around lean at 260 pounds on massive amounts of drugs doesn't mean i'm wrong.
I've lived it. Eating more calories makes you FAT. Unless you are on a lot of gear. It's yin-yang. You need to increase your drugs and food to get big. But if you only increase food you will be fat. If you only increase gear you will get bigger. It's not that difficult to understand. I agree that you need both, but if you removed food not much changes, if you remove gear you shrink in a matter of weeks.
Of course it's water weight, if Mr Olympia quit taking AAS for 6 months he'd lose 100 pounds.
You've been lean at 260 lbs. Please post a pic to back that up.
So you think anybody -- ANYBODY -- can get to pro size and condition if they just took enough hormones and peptides?
How did you measure your body fat?
So you gained 40 pounds of muscle (actually more since you also lost body fat) while reducing your calories by 1,000. So how was all that muscle developed? Are you saying that drugs just create muscle without a corresponding increase, and in your case an actual decrease, in calories?
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You've been lean at 260 lbs. Please post a pic to back that up.
So you think anybody -- ANYBODY -- can get to pro size and condition if they just took enough hormones and peptides?
Are you saying drugs don´t work?
you were gh15´s biggest fan :D
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Are you saying drugs don´t work?
you were gh15´s biggest fan :D
I take it you either didn't read this whole thread or your comprehension and memory is on the level of a kid with Down's syndrome that just experienced a concussion.
I can see joswift shaking his head and laughing at your comment.
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You've been lean at 260 lbs. Please post a pic to back that up.
So you think anybody -- ANYBODY -- can get to pro size and condition if they just took enough hormones and peptides?
How did you measure your body fat?
So you gained 40 pounds of muscle (actually more since you also lost body fat) while reducing your calories by 1,000. So how was all that muscle developed? Are you saying that drugs just create muscle without a corresponding increase, and in your case an actual decrease, in calories?
Maybe he actually processed more calories despite eating less maybe he became 100% efficient and didn't poop maybe before he was just pooping it all out undigested
But yes otherwise agree simple physics you have to eat more to grow yes stimulation and hormonal support can tell your body to grow but without calories it isn't going to happen. You can starve to death waste away and die on 5g of gear a week if you don't eat. You can't add weight without eating your body can't just create matter from nothing.
Also yeah I get called out despite doing a weigh in on camera this guy wants to claim 260 and ripped we need a pic at least
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I've been around and training amatuer bodybuilders for 20+ years. It's all drugs.
In your scenario, the clone on drugs would make massive gains over there other, no questions asked.
I've done it. At 225 pounds and 600mg of gear, eating 2500 calories a day. After 4 months of training i observed the following:
1. Increase calories to 4k per day. No changes to AAS.
2. Leave calories alone and increase gear to 3k per week. Test, Eq, Dbol.
In scenario 2 i gained 40 pounds of weight. Same diet, same workouts. AND i was 4% leaner in BF.
Bodybuilding is all drugs, just because you've never experienced walking around lean at 260 pounds on massive amounts of drugs doesn't mean i'm wrong.
I've lived it. Eating more calories makes you FAT. Unless you are on a lot of gear. It's yin-yang. You need to increase your drugs and food to get big. But if you only increase food you will be fat. If you only increase gear you will get bigger. It's not that difficult to understand. I agree that you need both, but if you removed food not much changes, if you remove gear you shrink in a matter of weeks.
Of course it's water weight, if Mr Olympia quit taking AAS for 6 months he'd lose 100 pounds.
Notice you didn't say how long you did either scenario. How long did you eat 4000 calories, without bumping up your anabolic use, one month? Two months? Three months?
Are we to believe that you jacked your food intake up by 1500 calories per day, while using performance-enhancing drugs, yet made NO GAINS WHATSOEVER?
Said another way, all 40 of those pounds came from scenario 2 vs. scenario 1?
The guys who focus on the diet and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible are the one that keep most of their size, upon cessation of PEDs.
You've made Pellius' point. You go off anabolics and eat like a concentration camp victim; you'll shrink like cheap bacon.
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One body and look could be described best as art, the other nothing but body vandalism, modern bodybuilding is nothing more than drugs with no shape or symmetry covenants. Like comparing Formula 1 to drag cars, one is speed and skill the other just horse power in a straight line or in this case drugs,drugs and more drugs nothing more.
"Body vandalism" sums it up pretty well.
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I take it you either didn't read this whole thread or your comprehension and memory is on the level of a kid with Down's syndrome that just experienced a concussion.
I can see joswift shaking his head and laughing at your comment.
Who is joeswift? why is he relevant ?
Fact is you are a druggie, maybe your memory is not good?
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Who is joeswift? why is he relevant ?
Fact is you are a druggie, maybe your memory is not good?
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Who is joeswift? why is he relevant ?
Fact is you are a druggie, maybe your memory is not good?
Look, you cant just take enough drugs and magically be a pro bodybuilder.
You cant be a succesful pro bodybuilder without them.
But if you think its simply down to just upping the dose and eating than you clearly have no idea.
I have been around bodybuilders for over 30 years, I have known peopel do everything right, lived like Spartans taken all the right drugs and fucking zippo, nothing.
Alternatively I have seen guys party all weekend eat shit and just chuck in 500 mgs of test every week or so and grow like weeds
What makes a pro bodybuilder is response to drugs, its that simple
And by response to drugs Im talkin g how food is absorbed and used in the body to convert into muscle tissue.
Intense training , aminos (which contain around 20 calories per gram) and anabolics creates muscle, not shit loads of food, all that will do is make you fat.
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What makes a pro bodybuilder is response to drugs, its that simple
This exactly ^
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Maybe he actually processed more calories despite eating less maybe he became 100% efficient and didn't poop maybe before he was just pooping it all out undigested
But yes otherwise agree simple physics you have to eat more to grow yes stimulation and hormonal support can tell your body to grow but without calories it isn't going to happen. You can starve to death waste away and die on 5g of gear a week if you don't eat. You can't add weight without eating your body can't just create matter from nothing.
Also yeah I get called out despite doing a weigh in on camera this guy wants to claim 260 and ripped we need a pic at least
True that you process nutrients better when on gear but you can eat five pounds of pure fat, which has twice the calories as carbs and protein, and you cannot gain more than that five pounds (not including water weight).
It's just physics. You can't get something out of nothing.
Another thing to take into account is that the bigger you get the more calories you need to get even bigger. If you weigh 200 lbs at a certain caloric level then when you get to 250 lbs you need even more calories just to maintain that weight. You can sleep all day but a 250 lb man is going to need more calories than a 200 lb man to maintain their weight. Forty pounds is a lot of weight. It is complete bullshit that he gained that much maintaining the same amount of calories and just increasing gear. I remember in the inserts included in those boxes
of Organon Deca and Ciba dbol it specifically stated the importance of increasing calories and protein intake.
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Who is joeswift? why is he relevant ?
Fact is you are a druggie, maybe your memory is not good?
You don't know me, bitch so don't claim facts. I've never been drunk or high in my life. I smoked weed once, one puff, 43 years ago when I was 18 years old. I never liked the taste of alcohol and always had a particular disgust at people when they are drunk.
You're just butt hurt because I called you out on asking a stupid question.
I've stated repeatedly that drugs work but it varies among individuals. That's what the discussion is about although to me it is blatantly obvious.
Seems like your memory isn't so good or you're just so stupid to comprehend a simple argument and claim.
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LOL! I had the same response reading his post.
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Look, you cant just take enough drugs and magically be a pro bodybuilder.
You cant be a succesful pro bodybuilder without them.
But if you think its simply down to just upping the dose and eating than you clearly have no idea.
I have been around bodybuilders for over 30 years, I have known peopel do everything right, lived like Spartans taken all the right drugs and fucking zippo, nothing.
Alternatively I have seen guys party all weekend eat shit and just chuck in 500 mgs of test every week or so and grow like weeds
What makes a pro bodybuilder is response to drugs, its that simple
And by response to drugs Im talkin g how food is absorbed and used in the body to convert into muscle tissue.
Intense training , aminos (which contain around 20 calories per gram) and anabolics creates muscle, not shit loads of food, all that will do is make you fat.
We disagreed almost violently on metaphysics but we are kindred spirits on so many issues. I'm sure you are surprised at how many people, people with years of experience, just don't see the obvious. It's like, why are we even having this discussion?
When it comes to drugs and achieving not even a pro-level physique, but getting that freaky look, as we use to say in math "Necessary but insufficient."
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I take it you either didn't read this whole thread or your comprehension and memory is on the level of a kid with Down's syndrome that just experienced a concussion.
I can see joswift shaking his head and laughing at your comment.
Wrong,I was gh15`s biggest fan and you fuckface are getbigs biggest asshole with a zillion tired fucking gimmick accounts................ ........COWARD !
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Wrong,I was gh15`s biggest fan and you fuckface are getbigs biggest asshole with a zillion tired fucking gimmick accounts................ ........COWARD !
To be fair I was on this board in college 20 years ago before GH15 became famous. I then went about my adult life vs obsessing over bodybuilding. 20 some years later I come back and Wes is still here calling me a gimmick. I was here when this shit started why do you think I picked some dead old board to come back to. Hell I was on many other boards after I left getbig then none. I come back to the original see it isnt updated anymore and no one is on it but I post anyway as its the original. Then I get called a gimmick.
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I'm finding it more and more difficult to follow the plot here.
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To be fair I was on this board in college 20 years ago before GH15 became famous. I then went about my adult life vs obsessing over bodybuilding. 20 some years later I come back and Wes is still here calling me a gimmick. I was here when this shit started why do you think I picked some dead old board to come back to. Hell I was on many other boards after I left getbig then none. I come back to the original see it isnt updated anymore and no one is on it but I post anyway as its the original. Then I get called a gimmick.
What other boards do you frequent, Bhank?
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You don't know me, bitch so don't claim facts. I've never been drunk or high in my life. I smoked weed once, one puff, 43 years ago when I was 18 years old. I never liked the taste of alcohol and always had a particular disgust at people when they are drunk.
You're just butt hurt because I called you out on asking a stupid question.
I've stated repeatedly that drugs work but it varies among individuals. That's what the discussion is about although to me it is blatantly obvious.
Seems like your memory isn't so good or you're just so stupid to comprehend a simple argument and claim.
Everyone knows you are a druggie. without the drugs you would disappear :D
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True that you process nutrients better when on gear but you can eat five pounds of pure fat, which has twice the calories as carbs and protein, and you cannot gain more than that five pounds (not including water weight).
It's just physics. You can't get something out of nothing.
Another thing to take into account is that the bigger you get the more calories you need to get even bigger. If you weigh 200 lbs at a certain caloric level then when you get to 250 lbs you need even more calories just to maintain that weight. You can sleep all day but a 250 lb man is going to need more calories than a 200 lb man to maintain their weight. Forty pounds is a lot of weight. It is complete bullshit that he gained that much maintaining the same amount of calories and just increasing gear. I remember in the inserts included in those boxes
of Organon Deca and Ciba dbol it specifically stated the importance of increasing calories and protein intake.
Again, he never specified how long he ate 4000 calories with a set amount of anabolics vs. reverting back to 2500 calories but "upping the dosage".
I simply don't buy that he increased his calories (while still taking pharmaceuticals) but got no gains.
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He did this over a period of 9 years, not 9 months.
So he's a hard core addict then.
Put this Baby Ruth on the Deadpool list. Either that or create another for bodybuilders losing a leg. I have long grown weary of taking turds like this Nick fellow.
Doping ain't training and I know I also read somewhere here a long while ago from the gh15 guy. I think it was, "No drugs, no bodybuilding".
This is not bodybuilding, it's abuse. It's also just plain disgusting. I bet he breathes hard just trying to breathe. Spends his time eating and shitting and schmoeing. Lazy fuckwit. FTN. Just another Baby Ruth floating in the Deadpool, i.e., "dooooooooody!!!!" Again, Fuck That Noise. ;D
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I would rather be built like Nick than Paris all day everyday
Yeah? And I bet you recycle your own shit, Baby Ruth.
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Wrong,I was gh15`s biggest fan and you fuckface are getbigs biggest asshole with a zillion tired fucking gimmick accounts................ ........COWARD !
I think you replied to the wrong person.
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I think you replied to the wrong person.
I hope not. This could get interesting.
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Everyone knows you are a druggie. without the drugs you would disappear :D
OK, now you presume to speak for everyone. Wes knows me well and he would disagree with that declaration. So when you make a general statement with the word, "everyone" I just need one contrary example to prove you wrong whereas you can prove nothing.
Again, you are just not an intelligent person. It reminds of that scene in Zoolander when the character played by David Duchovny is answering a question by the character played by Ben Stiller and he gives a long, detailed answer, then Stiller nods and asks him the same exact question. Duchovny just looks at him and says, "You're kidding?" Realizing everything just went over his head.
This discussion is not for you. It is way over your head. I think the glute thread is more your speed. Lots of pictures.
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Again, he never specified how long he ate 4000 calories with a set amount of anabolics vs. reverting back to 2500 calories but "upping the dosage".
I simply don't buy that he increased his calories (while still taking pharmaceuticals) but got no gains.
Another excellent point. Refreshing to have an actually thinking person on this thread. I wish Van B was here.
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So he's a hard core addict then.
Put this Baby Ruth on the Deadpool list. Either that or create another for bodybuilders losing a leg. I have long grown weary of taking turds like this Nick fellow.
Doping ain't training and I know I also read somewhere here a long while ago from the gh15 guy. I think it was, "No drugs, no bodybuilding".
This is not bodybuilding, it's abuse. It's also just plain disgusting. I bet he breathes hard just trying to breathe. Spends his time eating and shitting and schmoeing. Lazy fuckwit. FTN. Just another Baby Ruth floating in the Deadpool, i.e., "dooooooooody!!!!" Again, Fuck That Noise. ;D
GH15? The genius who once implied he was an IFBB FEMALE Pro? The crackpot who never met a spell check he actually liked?
So what is exactly the "ideal" among of anabolics for you? If the answer is none, why aren't you singing the praises of the guys on the Natural Bodybuilding forum?
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I hope not. This could get interesting.
I've grown to appreciate your work here.
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OK, now you presume to speak for everyone. Wes knows me well and he would disagree with that declaration. So when you make a general statement with the word, "everyone" I just need one contrary example to prove you wrong whereas you can prove nothing.
Again, you are just not an intelligent person. It reminds of that scene in Zoolander when the character played by David Duchovny is answering a question by the character played by Ben Stiller and he gives a long, detailed answer, then Stiller nods and asks him the same exact question. Duchovny just looks at him and says, "You're kidding?" Realizing everything just went over his head.
This discussion is not for you. It is way over your head. I think the glute thread is more your speed. Lots of pictures.
You are the Asian version of Matt.
Fascinating.
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I've grown to appreciate your work here.
Don't bring your erection into this.
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You are the Asian version of Matt.
Fascinating.
I'm not sure how to take that. I'm ambivalent about Matt. Seems like a good guy and is intelligent but also wacky. And I can't get past the overt racism and being a Holocaust denier.
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I'm not sure how to take that. I'm ambivalent about Matt. Seems like a good guy and is intelligent but also wacky. And I can get past the overt racism and being a Holocaust denier.
Very liberal of you. ;D
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Very liberal of you. ;D
Yikes! I have to proofread what I write.
For the record, the word should have been "can't."
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I think you replied to the wrong person.
Maybe high or drunk. I thought you and him were tonguing each others butt cracks?
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Don't bring your erection into this.
Shitbag Shizzo giving Pellius instructions on how to get his penis inside of Shizzo.
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Nicks latest update pretty sick
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQgNS-jlwou/
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Nicks latest update pretty sick
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQgNS-jlwou/
Varicose veins are a medical condition, not a sickness.
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Shitbag Shizzo giving Pellius instructions on how to get his penis inside of Shizzo.
meanwhile JPJ is watching in the corner beating her man meat
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Why do Getbiggers hate it when someone is successful?
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Why do Getbiggers hate it when someone is successful?
You mean like Nick-soon-to-be-dead-of-genetic-heart-abnormality?
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Why do Getbiggers hate it when someone is successful?
In Nick's case and with apologies to the late great Jerome "Curly" Howard - "If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' 'till you do suck seed".
Nick sucks seed alright. And for an extra "Ferrigno", he probably swallows seed too. Typical Generation Dumbfuck.