Gun Control

[Coach is Back!]

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Yeah, voice to text. What ever. Clarify your post

[chaos]

So you were unaware ... ok

I consider them an "except"  Remember the Constitution is there to limit government power, it's their goal to work around the Constitution to control us, people like you are far too willing to accept their limitations with no resistance (hence the bootlicker remark, well that and your time enforcing their unconstitutional laws)
  When the government can take all of the criminals guns and willingly turn theirs over as well, then I might feel comfortable giving mine up. Until then, 2A all day!!!

[Agnostic007]

I consider them an "except"  Remember the Constitution is there to limit government power, it's their goal to work around the Constitution to control us, people like you are far too willing to accept their limitations with no resistance (hence the bootlicker remark, well that and your time enforcing their unconstitutional laws)
  When the government can take all of the criminals guns and willingly turn theirs over as well, then I might feel comfortable giving mine up. Until then, 2A all day!!!

What would be examples of unconstitutional laws? Running red lights? Not in the constitution. Driving 100 mph in a 40 mph zone? Not in the constitution. Can you be more specific to the laws I enforced you have an issue with?

[Coach is Back!]

What would be examples of unconstitutional laws? Running red lights? Not in the constitution. Driving 100 mph in a 40 mph zone? Not in the constitution. Can you be more specific to the laws I enforced you have an issue with?

Before we go on with that, let’s address the Second Amendment. As an LEO what part of the Second Amendment can you violate since it’s your sworn duty to uphold the Constitution, first and foremost?

I mean, talking about gun control and the Second Amendment and you’re trying to spin this in to driving laws and parking tickets.

[Agnostic007]

Before we go on with that, let’s address the Second Amendment. As an LEO what part of the Second Amendment can you violate since it’s your sworn duty to uphold the Constitution, first and foremost?

I mean, talking about gun control and the Second Amendment and you’re trying to spin this in to driving laws and parking tickets.

Follow me on this Coach.. GOOGLE.. slippery slope.

[Coach is Back!]

Follow me on this Coach.. GOOGLE.. slippery slope.

You’re skating. This should be an easy one for you.

[Agnostic007]

You’re skating. This should be an easy one for you.

OK, this might be fun. Lets set some ground rules. Is it your position that any law, federal, state or municipal that is NOT mentioned in the original constitution is not a valid law? And what is your view on states rights?

[Coach is Back!]

OK, this might be fun. Lets set some ground rules. Is it your position that any law, federal, state or municipal that is NOT mentioned in the original constitution is not a valid law? And what is your view on states rights?

Ok, let’s go. Text, history and tradition. Yes, as long as it doesn’t violate the Second Amendment. I believe in states rights but the Second Amendment always supersedes states rights.

[chaos]

What would be examples of unconstitutional laws? Running red lights? Not in the constitution. Driving 100 mph in a 40 mph zone? Not in the constitution. Can you be more specific to the laws I enforced you have an issue with?

Religious persecution, freedom of speech.

[Primemuscle]

Ok, let’s go. Text, history and tradition. Yes, as long as it doesn’t violate the Second Amendment. I believe in states rights but the Second Amendment always supersedes states rights.

Yup, it is right there in Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution. That is 1 for Coach. Good work!

[AbrahamG]

This banter is delivering.  "stay in your lane".  LMFAO.

[Coach is Back!]

Yup, it is right there in Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution. That is 1 for Coach. Good work!

Which leave us to the next question for Agnostic. How many times did you violate the Constitution you swore to uphold? I’ll even keep this simple since we’re talking about the Second Amendment.

[Dos Equis]

You know the Amendments to the Constitution are all "but"? Right?

Speaking your language, I would bet that you don't know the Bill of Rights doesn't actually create rights, but serve as a restraint on government's interference with inalienable rights. 

[chaos]

Speaking your language, I would bet that you don't know the Bill of Rights doesn't actually create rights, but serve as a restraint on government's interference with inalienable rights.

Agnostics time in the department was spent trying abuse every right he could until a judge told him he couldn't. Typical bully mentality.

[Agnostic007]

Ok, let’s go. Text, history and tradition. Yes, as long as it doesn’t violate the Second Amendment. I believe in states rights but the Second Amendment always supersedes states rights.

not an expert on the 2nd Amendment but I know it was about states rights, so your statement doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Agnostic007]

Which leave us to the next question for Agnostic. How many times did you violate the Constitution you swore to uphold? I’ll even keep this simple since we’re talking about the Second Amendment.

None

[Agnostic007]

Agnostics time in the department was spent trying abuse every right he could until a judge told him he couldn't. Typical bully mentality.

will you make an attempt to have an adult conversation or is this what we can expect from you going forward?

[Coach is Back!]

not an expert on the 2nd Amendment but I know it was about states rights, so your statement doesn't make a lot of sense.

Because we’re talking about the Second Amendment

[Agnostic007]

Because we’re talking about the Second Amendment

Yes, the 2nd Amendment was created for the states. So do you have a particular question other than "how many times did you violate the constitution?" 

[Coach is Back!]

Yes, the 2nd Amendment was created for the states. So do you have a particular question other than "how many times did you violate the constitution?"

Sweet Jesus

[Dos Equis]

Agnostics time in the department was spent trying abuse every right he could until a judge told him he couldn't. Typical bully mentality.

 

[Coach is Back!]

Yes, the 2nd Amendment was created for the states. So do you have a particular question other than "how many times did you violate the constitution?"

So again, it’s your contention that states rights have precedents over the Constitution? Specifically, the Second Amendment

[Agnostic007]

So again, it’s your contention that states rights have precedents over the Constitution? Specifically, the Second Amendment.

No not at all. I am saying that the 2nd Amendment was created to afford States the ability to protect themselves from overzealous governments.

[Coach is Back!]

No not at all. I am saying that the 2nd Amendment was created to afford States the ability to protect themselves from overzealous governments.

So you’re saying, even if when your oath states to “uphold the constitution of the United States” and you pull over a person for speeding and this person happens to have a firearm in his/her car either on their person or in the car but the gun and the person in possession of the gun is legal (no wants no warrants, etc) with the gun being legally purchased BUT doesn’t have a states ccw, you have the constitutional right to confiscate that firearm?

[Agnostic007]

So you’re saying, even if when your oath states to “uphold the constitution of the United States” and you pull over a person for speeding and this person happens to have a firearm in his/her car either on their person or in the car but the gun and the person in possession of the gun is legal (no wants no warrants, etc) with the gun being legally purchased BUT doesn’t have a states ccw, you have the constitutional right to confiscate that firearm?

No. I can only speak for the state of Texas which affords a person to travel with a gun. So in that case, if the person was not a convicted felon, a juvenile or a known gang member fitting specific criteria they would free to continue. Now remember I retired in 2016 (not as a Detective) so the laws in Texas may have changed.