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DORIAN training back with the 2 youngest german IFBB-Pros !!
« on: April 03, 2021, 10:29:50 AM »
Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D


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Re: DORIAN training back with the 2 youngest german IFBB-Pros !!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 10:37:27 AM »
Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D



If it aint broke why fix it?  as they say. Dorian is getting very old with his training. always the same..BLA BLA BLA

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 10:56:37 AM »
I love it

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 11:10:52 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 11:25:14 AM »
Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D



Just more proof that your training methods are not the supreme dictator in your build.

It's the drugs.

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 11:46:10 AM »
Just more proof that your training methods are not the supreme dictator in your build.

It's the drugs.

If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???


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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 12:56:26 PM »
If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???



He isn't Mr O but he put on a shitload of muscle.

There is ceiling effect with drugs.

Bostin isn't a good example to illustrate that it isn't about drugs.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2021, 03:55:50 AM »
Here's the leg training. Hasn't changed much since blood and guts either though lol


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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2021, 05:20:51 AM »
Here's the leg training. Hasn't changed much since blood and guts either though lol



he actually pushed those guys harder than he trained in his Blood and Guts video

His chest session in his own video was pretty mild to be honest.

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2021, 04:54:48 AM »
he actually pushed those guys harder than he trained in his Blood and Guts video

His chest session in his own video was pretty mild to be honest.

Yates chest session was mild?  He inclined 415lbs for six reps with a full range of motion. Maybe he should have used 500bs.  In all seriousness I think he is one of the most intelligent trainers going. He had serious injuries but that's the price for going all out tryin to win an any costs. I often train with one work set to failure after warm up. It's a brutal way to train. Especially if you do the exercise in the hardest way possible instead of the easiest way.

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2021, 05:03:26 AM »
Yates chest session was mild?  He inclined 415lbs for six reps with a full range of motion. Maybe he should have used 500bs.  In all seriousness I think he is one of the most intelligent trainers going. He had serious injuries but that's the price for going all out tryin to win an any costs. I often train with one work set to failure after warm up. It's a brutal way to train. Especially if you do the exercise in the hardest way possible instead of the easiest way.

No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....

He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had

Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.

I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true

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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2021, 06:19:10 AM »
Without the drugs, Yates looks ordinary.  Still would have a good build.

If you've seen very early pics of him he is nothing special really.

His style of training apparently only works like magic if you are juicing, but so does just about every other system.

So, is his method good?  Yes.  Is it superior to other more traditional methods?  No.

He had a great response to gear and advantageous muscle attachments for sure. 


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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2021, 06:21:50 AM »
No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....

He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had

Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.

I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true

were you ever Mr O ? ::) utter jackass

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2021, 06:31:16 AM »
No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....

He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had

Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.

I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true

Spot on. That's true training intensity, Dorians was pretty much kindergarten...


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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2021, 07:02:02 AM »
Without the drugs, Yates looks ordinary.  Still would have a good build.

If you've seen very early pics of him he is nothing special really.

His style of training apparently only works like magic if you are juicing, but so does just about every other system.

So, is his method good?  Yes.  Is it superior to other more traditional methods?  No.

He had a great response to gear and advantageous muscle attachments for sure.

Well said.  I find it a bit odd that so many that take the drugs will say stuff like, "all muscle is temporary" to rationalize the use of PEDs.  And while that statement is true, what is also true is that Yates, Arnold, Zane, Haney and pretty much every top man of the last several decades would not have been a top man without the PEDs.  Larry Scott would've been just another gas station attendant if not for Dianabol.  Arnold?  Probably a truck driver.  Zane, a teacher.  Yates and Haney, who cares as I don't think much of either compared to the 70s champions but that in no way diminishes their accomplishments it just means I think better of others physiques.  A  particular interview of Tom Platz from years gone by where he says that without the drugs the current champions would still be the current champions. 

 ;D ::) ;D

When I first tried H.I.T. I did so with some friends, one of which was starting Dianabol at the same time.  Guess which person did REALLY well on H.I.T.?  ;D

But when he was off the drugs, he shrank and the magic of that style of training was more Samantha Stevens than Voldemort.

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2021, 07:16:15 AM »
No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....

He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had

Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.

I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true

The difference, and it's small yet big difference, is that if you are doing giant sets you aren't likely doing the first set to absolute-absolute failure. You go to approximate failure, or you appear to fail but you didn't quite give it 100%.

As an example. Many pros say they do so and so many sets to failure on legs, some say they do drop sets even, each drop to failure. I would say not quite.
Look at 1:10 with hack squats:



Do you think Chris would do his failure sets this hard at Gold's Venice? I doubt it.

You cannot do Milos style giant sets on legs at this intensity level. Especially not several rounds of them.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2021, 07:59:30 AM »
The difference, and it's small yet big difference, is that if you are doing giant sets you aren't likely doing the first set to absolute-absolute failure. You go to approximate failure, or you appear to fail but you didn't quite give it 100%.

As an example. Many pros say they do so and so many sets to failure on legs, some say they do drop sets even, each drop to failure. I would say not quite.
Look at 1:10 with hack squats:



Do you think Chris would do his failure sets this hard at Gold's Venice? I doubt it.

You cannot do Milos style giant sets on legs at this intensity level. Especially not several rounds of them.

there is only one "failure", thats when you simply cant do another rep

How many bodybuilders actually go to failure?

Do a set until you get so you cant do another rep, thats failure, OK then drop the weight 20% and then carry on, see, failure is very difficult to get to.

Its like Tom Platz famous quote "when you think you have reached failure you still have another 5 reps left in you"
If that were true he would still be on his first set of squats.

Everyone training seriously pretty much does the same thing, and I have never seen Dorian push himself as hard as he pushed Chris in that video

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2021, 08:01:01 AM »
were you ever Mr O ? ::) utter jackass

Phil Heath was a 7 time Mr O.
I seldom see him break sweat in the gym

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2021, 08:07:32 AM »
there is only one "failure", thats when you simply cant do another rep

How many bodybuilders actually go to failure?

Do a set until you get so you cant do another rep, thats failure, OK then drop the weight 20% and then carry on, see, failure is very difficult to get to.

Its like Tom Platz famous quote "when you think you have reached failure you still have another 5 reps left in you"
If that were true he would still be on his first set of squats.

Everyone training seriously pretty much does the same thing, and I have never seen Dorian push himself as hard as he pushed Chris in that video
the thing that he says that you still can have some reps in the tank has some truth to it. But only for legs really. Where you typically can do 12-20 reps. At that point cadiovascular system and lactic acid pain comes into play. And some are stopped by pain, before absolute failure.

With bench press or something like that, most people are able to go to absolute failure.

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2021, 08:36:34 AM »
the thing that he says that you still can have some reps in the tank has some truth to it. But only for legs really. Where you typically can do 12-20 reps. At that point cadiovascular system and lactic acid pain comes into play. And some are stopped by pain, before absolute failure.

With bench press or something like that, most people are able to go to absolute failure.

If your 1RM is 200k on bench and you put on 300k you will reach failure, Im sure thats not really the point.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2021, 12:53:50 PM »
Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2021, 01:09:14 PM »
Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.

X2

And the ability to do 5 plates a side in incline hammer strength like I do, Phil Heath style

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2021, 02:23:49 PM »
Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
this.

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2021, 04:36:35 PM »
Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.

What?  Nooooooo!

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2021, 05:11:02 PM »
Steroid fagget millenials im terrified
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