Dust of your masks, face diapers and mouth thongs

[Straw Man]

Hospitals here are still as empty as they were during the "Vicious and deadly global outbreak"...

where is "here" ?

[IroNat]

yep, some people are vaccinated are getting infected but they are not going to the hospital or dying

the only thing that matters in terms of how it impacts all of us (masks, shutdowns, etc..) is how many people are hospitalized and dying and that is 96-99% UNVACCINATED

As of yesterday 49 vaccinated people have died of Covid in NJ in the past couple weeks.

[Thin Lizzy]

Straw getting the Getbig Airplane treatment yet again😂😂😂

[Straw Man]

As of yesterday 49 vaccinated people have died of Covid in NJ in the past couple weeks.

yep, that can happen

FYI - here is how you post a link:   https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/49-people-who-were-fully-vaccinated-have-died-of-covid-in-nj-heres-what-we-know.html

49 people who were fully vaccinated have died of COVID in N.J. Here’s what we know.

There have been 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey who have died from the coronavirus through July 12, state health officials told NJ Advance Media on Wednesday.

More than half of those who died had at least one underlying medical condition, according to Donna Leusner, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Health.

The number of deaths has increased since Gov. Phil Murphy announced on Monday that there had been 31 fully vaccinated people who died of COVID through June 28. The latest number includes cases through July 12, the latest data available, Leusner said.

All of the deaths were people over age 50, with 30 of them over age 80. Thirteen of the deaths were people between the ages of 65 and 79, and six were between the ages of 50 and 64, Leusner said.

Of the 27 deaths of people with underlying conditions, 17 had cardiovascular disease, seven had diabetes and nine had cancer or other immunocompromised conditions, she said. Five had chronic lung conditions, three had chronic kidney disease, one had chronic liver disease and five others are listed as “other chronic diseases.” Some of the people who died had more than one underlying condition.

Data about whether any of the people who died were nursing homes residents was not available.

“It is important to point out that 49 deaths due to COVID-19 among 4.8 million fully vaccinated state residents is slightly greater than one in 100,000 fully vaccinated individuals,” said state communicable disease service medical director Ed Lifshitz. “That means vaccines are about 99.999% effective in preventing deaths due to COIVD-19.”

While those who are most at risk of death from COVID-19 are unvaccinated people with underlying conditions, fully vaccinated people with underlying conditions will remain at risk as long as a large part of the population is unvaccinated, said Perry Halkitis, dean of the Rutgers School of Public Health.

“The solution to our problems both in terms of stopping the deaths and also stopping the spread of the disease depends on increasing the percentage of the population who are vaccinated,” Halkitis said. “But we have the flu vaccine in 59% of people. Why do we think we’re going to get higher than that with COVID-19?”

“But we have to get higher than that. It’s got to be better,” he added.

More than 5.18 million people who live, work, or study in New Jersey have now been fully vaccinated, according to state data. There are more than 9 million residents in the state, including children under the age of 12 who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated.

About 70% of the eligible population is vaccinated in New Jersey, ranking about 7th in country, according to CDC data.

If more people don’t get vaccinations, Halkitis said, he expects new restrictions in the months to come because “unvaccinated people are placing themselves and all of us at risk.”

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/49-people-who-were-fully-vaccinated-have-died-of-covid-in-nj-heres-what-we-know.html

[IroNat]

Straw, I guess your post about the vaxxed not dying is wrong.

Gov. Murphy's math has NJ residents laughing.

NJ has only around 7 total Covid related deaths daily. 

[Dave D]

How are unvaccinated people the problem IF vaccinated people are catching the variant?  If anything doesn't this indicate the vaccine doesn't work against variants?

Blaming the unvaccinated for this is worse than saying these virus was started in a lab...

[Thin Lizzy]

How are unvaccinated people the problem IF vaccinated people are catching the variant?  If anything doesn't this indicate the vaccine doesn't work against variants?

It’s all a fraud. It’s really about keeping too much money from getting into the economy. Somebody obviously got into the CDC’s ears and told them to scare people again. The states follow along in lockstep backed by the media. This has a chilling on people doing  things like travel, eating in restaurants and going to large events.

The way the CDC covers its ass is by saying the data changed. So, why take an experimental vaccine when the data is continually changing?


IMF warns that inflation could prove to be persistent

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/27/imf-warns-that-inflation-could-prove-to-be-persistent.html

[Straw Man]

How are unvaccinated people the problem IF vaccinated people are catching the variant?  If anything doesn't this indicate the vaccine doesn't work against variants?

Blaming the unvaccinated for this is worse than saying these virus was started in a lab...

Because it's the unvaccinated population that is FOR THE MOST PART the one's spreading it and also the one responsible for allowing it to mutate which effects us all.

[Straw Man]

Straw, I guess your post about the vaxxed not dying is wrong.

Gov. Murphy's math has NJ residents laughing.

NJ has only around 7 total Covid related deaths daily.

Although I did say that unvaccinated people are not going to the hospital or dying I also said that the people in the hospital and dying are 96-99% unvaccinated which means a certain % who are vaccinated are dying but as the article from NJ shows those people often have multiple comorbidities and are over 50 and often much older.

The NJ story shows that

BTW - we're seeing a bunch of reports of young people with no health issues are are not vaccinated and are getting very sick and dying

yep, some people are vaccinated are getting infected but they are not going to the hospital or dying

the only thing that matters in terms of how it impacts all of us (masks, shutdowns, etc..) is how many people are hospitalized and dying and that is 96-99% UNVACCINATED

[Primemuscle]

Yeah. But not because of the severity of the virus.

My girlfriend received her government mandated vaccination today.

Chances are, she will be fine. The percentage of folks getting sick from the vaccine is very small.

[Tapeworm]

How are unvaccinated people the problem IF vaccinated people are catching the variant?  If anything doesn't this indicate the vaccine doesn't work against variants?

Blaming the unvaccinated for this is worse than saying these virus was started in a lab...

Because antibiotic resistant bacteria are generated by people who don't take antibiotics, don't you see?

[Dave D]

Because it's the unvaccinated population that is FOR THE MOST PART the one's spreading it and also the one responsible for allowing it to mutate which effects us all.

But you’re assuming this variant started in the states. What happens if everyone in the US is vaccinated and someone unvaccinated from China or Mexico brings it in? How do we police the world?

[Tapeworm]

Chances are, she will be fine. The percentage of folks getting sick from the vaccine is very small.

She seems to be tolerating it well, although she slept for about 20 hours.

How she's being treated brothers me tho. Last year, when this thing was going to kill us all, and nursing homes were clearly its favorite place, she refused to quit even though I told her I'd handle the money. That's courage.

A year later she's under orders from the government to take the shot. This is from people who haven't required themselves to have it under penalty of termination, mind you. These are rules for the peasants. From here on forward, I guess they get to tell you what to take or you're fired even though they aren't taking it themselves. This is a thing we all accept now.

All this where there is no virus. There is no covid whatsoever in Western Australia. This legally and ethically shakey, makes no practical sense, and is a disgusting way to treat someone who stayed at her post even when it appeared dangerous.

It's easy to say she needs to fight for her rights, etc. But we're a buch of argumentative assholes on this board. Some people aren't wired that way. She's a gentle person. I've witnessed the force of the state and her employer basically bully this gentle woman into doing something she'd rather not do, and it's quite clear this is how she's going to continue to be treated.

So yes, she's fine in the sense that she doesn't appear to be having a bad reaction. But she has been aggressively badgered into taking the shot and nobody seems to think there's a problem with treating her that way. Probably because they didn't witness a helpless person getting pushed around by powerful people who aren't even obeying the same fucking rules.


I'll quit ranting one of these days. I can't say it's fine tho. It's not fine.

[tommywishbone]

Cowards.

[Tapeworm]

[Body-Buildah]

A disease so deadly, even folks who were fine may die from the "cure" they dont need. 

[tommywishbone]

Approx. 50% of the U.S. population is obese and 70% are overweight.

Brother in Northern California the percentages are much higher. It's disgusting. Bloated fat pigs everywhere. Revolting.

[youandme]

Because it's the unvaccinated population that is FOR THE MOST PART the one's spreading it and also the one responsible for allowing it to mutate which effects us all.

So where are the studies showing that vaccinated people are not spreading it?

[Thin Lizzy]

So where are the studies showing that vaccinated people are not spreading it?

Funny how it’s always the narrative that doesn’t make the government look bad.

Typical medical establishment bullshit. Blame the patient. One mask doesn’t work wear two. If the vaccine doesn’t work, take another shot. If that doesn’t work blame the people who didn’t take the vaccine.

[Humble Narcissist]

So where are the studies showing that vaccinated people are not spreading it?

There are none.  The CDC is just pulling this stuff out of their asses.

[youandme]

There are none.  The CDC is just pulling this stuff out of their asses.

Yeah, exactly. What happened to follow “the science” and waiting on studies. So much bias in the medical field allowing for complete recommendations without complete knowledge.

The vaccine isn’t even fully FDA approved it’s only emergency clearance and then you have a delta  variant that was KNOWN to exist while formulating the vaccine that was taking off in India.

[Thin Lizzy]

We know how this movie ends. “Just to be safe...”  I’m actually looking forward to the fall to watch this shit show unravel.

Delta variant: Israel to give Pfizer Covid booster shots to elderly

Israel to give Pfizer Covid booster shots to people over 60 as efficacy appears to wane amid delta

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/delta-variant-israel-to-give-pfizer-covid-booster-shots-to-elderly-.html

[Fortress]

She seems to be tolerating it well, although she slept for about 20 hours.

How she's being treated brothers me tho. Last year, when this thing was going to kill us all, and nursing homes were clearly its favorite place, she refused to quit even though I told her I'd handle the money. That's courage.

A year later she's under orders from the government to take the shot. This is from people who haven't required themselves to have it under penalty of termination, mind you. These are rules for the peasants. From here on forward, I guess they get to tell you what to take or you're fired even though they aren't taking it themselves. This is a thing we all accept now.

All this where there is no virus. There is no covid whatsoever in Western Australia. This legally and ethically shakey, makes no practical sense, and is a disgusting way to treat someone who stayed at her post even when it appeared dangerous.

It's easy to say she needs to fight for her rights, etc. But we're a buch of argumentative assholes on this board. Some people aren't wired that way. She's a gentle person. I've witnessed the force of the state and her employer basically bully this gentle woman into doing something she'd rather not do, and it's quite clear this is how she's going to continue to be treated.

So yes, she's fine in the sense that she doesn't appear to be having a bad reaction. But she has been aggressively badgered into taking the shot and nobody seems to think there's a problem with treating her that way. Probably because they didn't witness a helpless person getting pushed around by powerful people who aren't even obeying the same fucking rules.


I'll quit ranting one of these days. I can't say it's fine tho. It's not fine.

I feel for her (and you), friend.

You’re absolutely correct.

It is NOT fine.

[Fortress]

A disease so deadly, even folks who were fine may die from the "cure" they dont need.

Classic. LOL

And SO true.

[joswift]

yep, that can happen

FYI - here is how you post a link:   https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/49-people-who-were-fully-vaccinated-have-died-of-covid-in-nj-heres-what-we-know.html


https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/49-people-who-were-fully-vaccinated-have-died-of-covid-in-nj-heres-what-we-know.html

49 people who were fully vaccinated have died of COVID in N.J. Here’s what we know.

There have been 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey who have died from the coronavirus through July 12, state health officials told NJ Advance Media on Wednesday.

More than half of those who died had at least one underlying medical condition, according to Donna Leusner, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Health.

The number of deaths has increased since Gov. Phil Murphy announced on Monday that there had been 31 fully vaccinated people who died of COVID through June 28. The latest number includes cases through July 12, the latest data available, Leusner said.

All of the deaths were people over age 50, with 30 of them over age 80. Thirteen of the deaths were people between the ages of 65 and 79, and six were between the ages of 50 and 64, Leusner said.

Of the 27 deaths of people with underlying conditions, 17 had cardiovascular disease, seven had diabetes and nine had cancer or other immunocompromised conditions, she said. Five had chronic lung conditions, three had chronic kidney disease, one had chronic liver disease and five others are listed as “other chronic diseases.” Some of the people who died had more than one underlying condition.

Data about whether any of the people who died were nursing homes residents was not available.

“It is important to point out that 49 deaths due to COVID-19 among 4.8 million fully vaccinated state residents is slightly greater than one in 100,000 fully vaccinated individuals,” said state communicable disease service medical director Ed Lifshitz. “That means vaccines are about 99.999% effective in preventing deaths due to COIVD-19.”

While those who are most at risk of death from COVID-19 are unvaccinated people with underlying conditions, fully vaccinated people with underlying conditions will remain at risk as long as a large part of the population is unvaccinated, said Perry Halkitis, dean of the Rutgers School of Public Health.

“The solution to our problems both in terms of stopping the deaths and also stopping the spread of the disease depends on increasing the percentage of the population who are vaccinated,” Halkitis said. “But we have the flu vaccine in 59% of people. Why do we think we’re going to get higher than that with COVID-19?”

“But we have to get higher than that. It’s got to be better,” he added.

More than 5.18 million people who live, work, or study in New Jersey have now been fully vaccinated, according to state data. There are more than 9 million residents in the state, including children under the age of 12 who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated.

About 70% of the eligible population is vaccinated in New Jersey, ranking about 7th in country, according to CDC data.

If more people don’t get vaccinations, Halkitis said, he expects new restrictions in the months to come because “unvaccinated people are placing themselves and all of us at risk.”

Yet when the "conspiracy theorists" were pointing out that people dying of covid were not actiually dying of covid but from numerous other conditions but just happened to have Covid as well everyone ignored them...