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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #975 on: May 02, 2024, 12:53:03 AM »

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #976 on: May 02, 2024, 02:27:27 PM »

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #977 on: May 03, 2024, 12:13:38 AM »
United Methodists Allow LGBTQ Clergymen In Historic Vote: REPORT
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #978 on: May 03, 2024, 12:15:56 AM »
United Methodists Allow LGBTQ Clergymen In Historic Vote: REPORT
ILAN HULKOWER
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https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/01/united-methodists-lgbtq-clergymen-vote/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home

Fuck those christians.  They know Him not.  Even I, an Atheist know the rules.  Again.  Fuck the United Methheads to Hades.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #979 on: May 03, 2024, 12:32:42 AM »
United Methodists Allow LGBTQ Clergymen In Historic Vote: REPORT
ILAN HULKOWER
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May 01, 2024
https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/01/united-methodists-lgbtq-clergymen-vote/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
I thought they made that change years ago.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #980 on: May 08, 2024, 05:42:09 PM »
I thought they made that change years ago.

Not sure, but a number of denominations have been wrestling with this.  Times have changed. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #981 on: May 09, 2024, 12:22:29 AM »
Not sure, but a number of denominations have been wrestling with this.  Times have changed.
They are losing membership so they think accepting all this will increase numbers. The problem is that the people they are accepting have no interest in being Christians.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #982 on: May 09, 2024, 04:32:51 PM »
They are losing membership so they think accepting all this will increase numbers. The problem is that the people they are accepting have no interest in being Christians.

I haven't looked at the membership numbers, but there is definitely a problem with self-professed Christians who do not act like Christians.  It can really turn a lot of people off.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #983 on: May 09, 2024, 04:49:40 PM »
other than minors what other kind of christians are there but self professed?

People who live and act like Christians. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #984 on: May 09, 2024, 05:04:45 PM »
indeed but who defines that ?

The Bible and common sense.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #985 on: May 09, 2024, 05:16:58 PM »
the bible comes in many forms and even more interpretations while common sense seems to be more frequently y expected of the other but less forthcoming from the self

I doubt that the parts I'm thinking about, which talk about being a decent person, have varying commonsense interpretations.  Most people know a practicing Christian when they see one based on how they live their lives.  That doesn't mean only Christians live a certain way, but evaluating people based on how they act isn't that complicated.  That said, you never know for certain what is in someone's heart.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #986 on: May 09, 2024, 10:10:39 PM »
Fuck those christians.  They know Him not.  Even I, an Atheist know the rules.  Again.  Fuck the United Methheads to Hades.

You sound whacked. You are an atheist, yet you defend Jesus like he was Christ or something. You really need to make up your mind.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #987 on: May 09, 2024, 10:13:08 PM »
The Bible and common sense.

What parts of the bible? And when did common sense have anything to do with believing in a 4000 year old book and its 2000 year old brother who speak of the earth standing still. A flood with an ark with all the animals, seas parting, all the 1st born being killed, etc. What common sense would believe such nonsense?

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #988 on: May 10, 2024, 12:43:05 PM »
What parts of the bible? And when did common sense have anything to do with believing in a 4000 year old book and its 2000 year old brother who speak of the earth standing still. A flood with an ark with all the animals, seas parting, all the 1st born being killed, etc. What common sense would believe such nonsense?

The parts that talk about honesty, humility, temperance, kindness, love (the verb), etc.  People with common sense understand exactly what it means and how it is used.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #989 on: May 10, 2024, 12:49:23 PM »
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!"
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #990 on: May 10, 2024, 01:32:26 PM »
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!"

What verse is this and why are you reading the Bible? 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #991 on: May 10, 2024, 01:47:09 PM »
should I not be reading it ?

Why are you reading it?

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #992 on: May 10, 2024, 03:10:40 PM »
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So you don't know why you are reading the Bible?  Strange.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #993 on: May 10, 2024, 03:29:41 PM »
well, it is none of your business

True, but you are posting Bible verses on a public message board, so it's not exactly a secret that you are reading the Bible.  Just wondering why. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #994 on: May 10, 2024, 03:57:07 PM »
True, but you are posting Bible verses on a public message board, so it's not exactly a secret that you are reading the Bible.  Just wondering why.

The  quotation I posted above is an eloquently stated  warning of the danger of using the Bible / Gospel/ Torah / Quran/ Bhagavad Gita to justify ones own view
It is from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #995 on: May 10, 2024, 09:29:10 PM »
The  quotation I posted above is an eloquently stated  warning of the danger of using the Bible / Gospel/ Torah / Quran/ Bhagavad Gita to justify ones own view
It is from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice

I read Merchant of Venice many moons ago, but I couldn't recite a single line today.  If that's where it came from you should have just said that instead of trying to be cryptic. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #996 on: May 14, 2024, 09:39:16 PM »
True, but you are posting Bible verses on a public message board, so it's not exactly a secret that you are reading the Bible.  Just wondering why.

For me, I grew up in the bible belt. Was subjected to the bible from the time I could walk. I bought into it. Read the most popular verses over and over for years. Around 30 I started reading the bible cover to cover. After a couple times reading it cover to cover and comparing it to secular historians and science, I dropped the belief. But I personally am more familiar with the bible than I would say 80% of American Christians. Haven't read it in years, but don't rain on my parade if I quote it at times... as I know it pretty well

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #997 on: May 14, 2024, 09:52:11 PM »
For me, I grew up in the bible belt. Was subjected to the bible from the time I could walk. I bought into it. Read the most popular verses over and over for years. Around 30 I started reading the bible cover to cover. After a couple times reading it cover to cover and comparing it to secular historians and science, I dropped the belief. But I personally am more familiar with the bible than I would say 80% of American Christians. Haven't read it in years, but don't rain on my parade if I quote it at times... as I know it pretty well

I would venture to say that the vast majority of Christians have not read the Bible "cover to cover," much less multiple times.

It is weird that reading the Bible caused you to walk away from Christianity, yet you spend a lot of time quoting or referencing the Bible.  It's almost as if you are trying to convert people to your atheist religion.  But that is a prevalent practice among proselytizing atheists. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #998 on: May 14, 2024, 10:23:44 PM »
I would venture to say that the vast majority of Christians have not read the Bible "cover to cover," much less multiple times.

It is weird that reading the Bible caused you to walk away from Christianity, yet you spend a lot of time quoting or referencing the Bible.  It's almost as if you are trying to convert people to your atheist religion.  But that is a prevalent practice among proselytizing atheists.

We both know you automatically take offense to anything I post. Having said that, no, I spend no time converting people to my non belief. I am concerned with remaining silent which allows the far right to push their religious agenda in courts which affects me. I will speak up on those occasions. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want religion wise, as long as it doesn't impact me. That hasn't been the case so remaining silent is misinterpreted by the religious as we agree... we don't

on a personal note. I would not actively try and talk someone out of their belief in a god or gods. I was there. I understand it. But if faced with the argument, or subject matter, I won't remain silent. 

Its actually not weird... there is a popular bumper sticker out there that says "Atheist-Someone who has actually read the bible"... it's popular for a reason.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #999 on: May 15, 2024, 06:42:43 PM »
We both know you automatically take offense to anything I post. Having said that, no, I spend no time converting people to my non belief. I am concerned with remaining silent which allows the far right to push their religious agenda in courts which affects me. I will speak up on those occasions. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want religion wise, as long as it doesn't impact me. That hasn't been the case so remaining silent is misinterpreted by the religious as we agree... we don't

on a personal note. I would not actively try and talk someone out of their belief in a god or gods. I was there. I understand it. But if faced with the argument, or subject matter, I won't remain silent. 

Its actually not weird... there is a popular bumper sticker out there that says "Atheist-Someone who has actually read the bible"... it's popular for a reason.

You have never said anything that offended me, so stop being dishonest.  Again. 

Saying you speak up about religion when “the far right” pushes their religious views in courts that affect you, completely contradicts the fact you are active on a public religious message board that has zero to do with the courts, government regulation, etc.  You’re here because for some strange reason you like to talk about things you don’t believe in.

And you’re not facing any kind of court or government-imposed oppression for being an atheist.  Nobody cares that you don’t believe in God or the Bible. 

The bumper sticker is so popular I’ve never heard of or seen it.  Lol  Regardless, it should say:  “Atheist:  Someone who has actually read and does not understand the Bible.”