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AgapePress - Ten Commandments Ruling in Kentucky Hailed as Evidence of Turning Tide Against ACLU
April 25, 2006
By Jenni Parker
(AgapePress) - Pro-family attorneys are hailing the decision of the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to uphold a three-judge panel's prior ruling allowing the Ten Commandments to remain on display at Kentucky's Mercer County Courthouse.
Last December the Sixth Circuit panel unanimously ruled the Mercer County Ten Commandments display constitutional on the grounds that its purpose is historical rather than religious. The Sixth Circuit Court has jurisdiction over Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, and Michigan.
In yesterday's 19-5 vote by the full court, the majority of the judges refused to rehear the case of ACLU of Kentucky v. Mercer County, Kentucky, rejecting arguments by the American Civil Liberties Union that the Commandments display violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The court's ruling allows the panel's previous decision to uphold the constitutionality of the display to stand.
According to an Associated Press report, in the December 2005 ruling the panel cited the fact that the courthouse's biblical laws are displayed alongside replicas of nine other historic documents, including the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. The judges also noted that the font size is the same for all the documents, and no attempt was made to put the religious document at a higher level.
A dissenting judge on the Sixth Circuit Court argued that the Mercer County display was similar to two other Kentucky counties' displays that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional last year. However, Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law & Justice, one of the legal groups representing Mercer County, says the full court's ultimate decision demonstrates the majority's belief "that its three-judge panel ruled correctly in upholding the constitutionality of this display."
Yesterday's ruling by the Sixth Circuit Court is "an important defeat," Sekulow contends, both for the ACLU and for other groups "committed to removing our religious heritage and traditions from the public square." If the case is appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, he adds, he and his group stand ready to defend the Ten Commandments display "and remain confident that the constitutionality of the display will prevail."
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yea i remember the first time i upheld the ten commandments must have been 350 each so i knocked out 15 reps for a warmup.
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yea i remember the first time i upheld the ten commandments must have been 350 each so i knocked out 15 reps for a warmup.
LOL :D
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Good news.
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I'm sure this is considered a major step backwards by the Anti-Christ Lawyers Union. Yippee! :)
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Nice to see some good news for a change. I have to go get a second mortgage, to put gas in my car. :-[
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agapepress :o
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Nice to see some good news for a change. I have to go get a second mortgage, to put gas in my car. :-[
hahahaha
Makes two of us, bro. :)
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It's about time.....
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Somewhere in the corner of a dark dark room, an ACLU card carrying atheist shakes his fists in rage and sheds a tear of frustration.
w8tlftr approves. :)
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The guy in the corner sounds like Johnny to me :P
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Ahahahahahaaaa! The Ten Commandments, I'll never stop getting a kick out of that one!
Hi Johnny!
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Who is "Johnny"? One of my desciples?
Whaaa? You are Mr. Mephistopheles, aren't you?
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This isn't a victory for religion it's a victory for History and Culture.
Last December the Sixth Circuit panel unanimously ruled the Mercer County Ten Commandments display constitutional on the grounds that its purpose is historical rather than religious. The Sixth Circuit Court has jurisdiction over Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, and Michigan.
The ONLY reason the commandments are being kept up is due to their Historical signifigance. That's it! Nothing more.
Claiming this is a victory for Christianity would be like claiming the Courts deciding that changing the days of our weeks names "Thursday" for instance to be in support of paganism(Thursday/Thorsday).
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The ONLY reason the commandments are being kept up is due to their Historical signifigance. That's it! Nothing more.
Meh... good enough for me, Nazi-Bot. ::)
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This isn't a victory for religion it's a victory for History and Culture.
The ONLY reason the commandments are being kept up is due to their Historical signifigance. That's it! Nothing more.
Gee Johnny, do you think it could be because our country (not yours...Germany I guess, sorry dude, i just don't know what to believe from you) was founded on Christian beliefs???
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Gee Johnny, do you think it could be because our country (not yours...Germany I guess, sorry dude, i just don't know what to believe from you) was founded on Christian beliefs???
Now now, I-One. Our Constitution is based on natural law (as Johnny and others would so quickly point out).
However, the overwhelming majority of delegates to the Constitutional Convention were Christians and I'm of the opinion that a man's morals are guided by his spiritual foundation.
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morals are guided by his spiritual foundation.
I might be wrong but johnny thinks morals come from a gene.
Please explain in christian terms Johnny.
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Gee Johnny, do you think it could be because our country (not yours...Germany I guess, sorry dude, i just don't know what to believe from you) was founded on Christian beliefs???
America wasn't founded on Christian belief.
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I might be wrong but johnny thinks morals come from a gene.
Please explain in christian terms Johnny.
Morals don't come from genes.
However our knowledge of morality comes from our genes.
We don't kill because it doesn't benefit society. We feel bad when we do it(most people) because that feeling of empathy evolved into us.
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America wasn't founded on Christian belief.
Are you flippin high??
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=8
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=2
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=11
Hope this helps!!
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Are you flippin high??
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=8
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=2
http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=11
Hope this helps!!
Hope what helps? Posting articles to websites as an argument only makes you look like a tool.(Not that you don't already look like one).
It isn't hard to post articles that support your argument.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/163814.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9651.htm
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/cs/blcsm_gov_xiannation.htm
Ohh look..I posted more articles in support of my claim than you did in support of your claim! I guess I totally owned you!
::)
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However our knowledge of morality comes from our genes.
Please explain.
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America wasn't founded on Christian belief.
???
Have you ever seen the Jefferson Memorial, or any of the other monuments here in America?
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Hope what helps? Posting articles to websites as an argument only makes you look like a tool.(Not that you don't already look like one).
It isn't hard to post articles that support your argument.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/163814.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9651.htm
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/cs/blcsm_gov_xiannation.htm
Ohh look..I posted more articles in support of my claim than you did in support of your claim! I guess I totally owned you!
::)
I rarely call people names on here but this is justified......Johnny you're a fucking idiot. It's not my claim genius.
Those are not articles, those are the ACTUAL words from the documents of the United States.
AGAIN MORON......http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html
Looks like I owned you, your ignorance has taken on a new high!!
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I rarely call people names on here but this is justified......Johnny you're a fucking idiot. It's not my claim genius.
Those are not articles, those are the ACTUAL words from the documents of the United States.
AGAIN MORON......http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html
Looks like I owned you, your ignorance has taken on a new high!!
I didn't even read it jackass. ::)
All that is is a list of varioius speeches(mostly reagan) and court decisions. Explain now how this supports your claim that "America was founded on christianity".
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I didn't even read it jackass. ::)
All that is is a list of varioius speeches(mostly reagan) and court decisions. Explain now how this supports your claim that "America was founded on christianity".
Gee Johnny, I didn't realized Reagan was around in the 1700's, I know he was old but........ Look dude you obviously can't admit you know nothing about anything and that last quote proved it......JACKASS!!
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Gee Johnny, I didn't realized Reagan was around in the 1700's, I know he was old but........ Look dude you obviously can't admit you know nothing about anything and that last quote proved it......JACKASS!!
From the site you posted...
Jan. 20, 1981 - Ronald Reagan: First Inaugural Address
Apr. 28, 1981 - Reagan: "Economic Recovery Program"
Jan. 26, 1982 - Reagan: First State of the Union Address
Feb. 26, 1982 - Reagan: CPAC 1982-"The Agenda is Victory"
Jun. 8, 1982 - Reagan: "The Evil Empire" Speech to the House of Commons
Feb. 18, 1983 - Reagan: CPAC 1983 "We Will Not Be Turned Back"
Mar. 23, 1983 - Reagan: Announcement of Strategic Defense Initiative
Mar. 2, 1984 - Reagan: "Our Noble Vision: An Opportunity for All"
Jun. 6, 1984 - Reagan: Speech at Pointe de Hoc
Jun. 6, 1984 - Reagan: D-day Address at Normandy
Jan. 21, 1985 - Reagan: Second Inaugural Address
Mar. 8, 1985 - Reagan: CPAC 1985 "Creators of the Future"
Jan. 28, 1986 - Reagan: Speech on The Challenger Disaster
1986 - Reagan: "Forward For Freedom"
1987 - Reagan: "A Future That Works"
Feb. 11, 1988 - Reagan: "On The Frontier of Freedom"
1988 - Reagan: Farewell Address
1992 - Reagan: 1992 Republican National Convention
Mar. 23, 1993 - Statement on 10th Anniversary of SDI
1994 - Reagan: 83rd Birthday Speech
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Posting something as unspecific as this in a defence america was founded on christianity(Which our forefathers have stated it wasn't) makes me a jackass eh?
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From the site you posted...
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Posting something as unspecific as this in a defence america was founded on christianity(Which our forefathers have stated it wasn't) makes me a jackass eh?
Holy shit you're such an idiot you leave me speechless!!
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Holy shit you're such an idiot you leave me speechless!!
I believe the term is "I don't know what the fuck to say since Johnny just owned me."
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I believe the term is "I don't know what the f**k to say since Johnny just owned me."
What do you do...just pick a link and post it and think you owned someone? Let me help. I post the U.S. Constitution and the Delaration of Independence and the Magna Carta. Those came 200 years before Reagan. If anyone should be banned for being an idiot....it's you!
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ok sorry, what does it mean 10 commandments upheld in court?
If i like the way Kelly Rippa looks i could go to jail? (i don't care for her by the way!)
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What do you do...just pick a link and post it and think you owned someone? Let me help. I post the U.S. Constitution and the Delaration of Independence and the Magna Carta. Those came 200 years before Reagan. If anyone should be banned for being an idiot....it's you!
The U.S. Constitution?
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Hmm...That couldn't be it now could it?
The Declaration of Independence?
Well now that doesn't mention "christianity" at all and only mentions "god" once in the context of "natures God". So to claim this is evidence of our country being founded on christianity is..How do you say in America? Oh yea.."BULLSHIT".
Not only that but the Declaration of Independence was written PRIOR to the foundation of our government. Or didn't you learn that in History class?
The Magna Carta?? HAHA! The Magna Carta was an English Charter composed in 1215!! This is over 200 years before columbus ever found north America and over 500 years before the United States was even formed!
You obviously flunked History class.
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Well now that doesn't mention "christianity" at all and only mentions "god" once in the context of "natures God". So to claim this is evidence of our country being founded on christianity is..How do you say in America? Oh yea.."BULLSHIT".
You conveniently left out this...
"We hold the truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
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http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=11
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You conveniently left out this...
"We hold the truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
So where does Christianity fall into this? "Creator" doesn't imply Christianity.
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http://townhall.com/townhall/america101.html?rowid=11
That's the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom which was written by Thomas Jefferson where he argues AGAINST forced religion.
WE the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil rights.
Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian either. Any mentions of "God" is a Deistic God not a Christian God.
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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ok sorry, what does it mean 10 commandments upheld in court?
If i like the way Kelly Rippa looks i could go to jail? (i don't care for her by the way!)
Liar! You like that skinny, lanky, Helen Hunt look! ;D Oh yeah I remembered!
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We don't kill because it doesn't benefit society. We feel bad when we do it(most people) because that feeling of empathy evolved into us.
Man Johnny, you must not have been around any ghettoes or gang life.
Not to mention, any tribe not exposed to the standards of regular life, would KILL anyone who would try to disrupt their tribe or take their territory. The native Indians fought to the death amonst each other. It was that way for 1,000 of years before modernization. DUH! You should have known that. ::)
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Liar! You like that skinny, lanky, Helen Hunt look! Grin Oh yeah I remembered!
Nah! But she did have a nice back side in her day!
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Man Johnny, you must not have been around any ghettoes or gang life.
Not to mention, any tribe not exposed to the standards of regular life, would KILL anyone who would try to disrupt their tribe or take their territory. The native Indians fought to the death amonst each other. It was that way for 1,000 of years before modernization. DUH! You should have known that. ::)
All civlizations fight. Fighting is also part of our behavior.
However people conceptualize "reasons" for killing as an excuse not to feel bad about it...And even then they feel bad about it.
Indian tribes wouldn't kill randomly. They would only kill intruders. They conceptualized that this is for the better good despite their personal feelings.
Same goes for any war. Soldiers usually have to train themselves to be able to kill others and even then they feel bad about it most of the time.
Empathy is part of our evolution.
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Notice how Mr. Intenseone stopped responding...
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Empathy is part of our evolution.
You still haven't answered the "morals in our genes question"
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You still haven't answered the "morals in our genes question"
Morality is actions of right and wrong.
Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.
Our genetics evolved through natural selection.
If we didn't have "empathy" we wouldn't of lasted very long. Empathy is feeling bad when you do bad things to others.
Evolutionarly speaking if a population doesn't have empathy it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
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Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.
Prove it.
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Prove it.
I just did.
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prove it.
You just made a statement, an assertion only.
BTW yes or no Johnny?
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prove it.
You just made a statement, an assertion only.
BTW yes or no Johnny?
Can't you read?
Morality is actions of right and wrong.
Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.
Our genetics evolved through natural selection.
If we didn't have "empathy" we wouldn't of lasted very long. Empathy is feeling bad when you do bad things to others.
Evolutionarly speaking if a population doesn't have empathy it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
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Evolutionarly speaking if a population doesn't have empathy it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
The same argument could be made with the exsistence of God.
Prove it the way you tried to prove evolution
That's what i'm looking for.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong here. So put your defenses down in this case.
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Morality is actions of right and wrong.
Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.
Our genetics evolved through natural selection.
If we didn't have "empathy" we wouldn't of lasted very long. Empathy is feeling bad when you do bad things to others.
Evolutionarly speaking if a population doesn't have empathy it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
Now I know he doesn't have any kids! Hmmmmm....okay Mr. Wizard when a child bites or hits another child (1 1/2 to 2 yrs old) the other will either:
1. Cry
2. FIght back
If not for interjection from an adult, these children would grow up DOING THE SAME THING, unless they were TAUGHT differently. That's why we teach them or they would be tyrants.
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The same argument could be made with the exsistence of God.
How so?
"God" has never stopped people from killing eachother. If anything it has made them kill eachother.
However feeling bad about doing bad has stopped them. I don't steal from people because i'd feel bad about it. Empathy.
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Now I know he doesn't have any kids! Hmmmmm....okay Mr. Wizard when a child bites or hits another child (1 1/2 to 2 yrs old) the other will either:
1. Cry
2. FIght back
If not for interjection from an adult, these children would grow up DOING THE SAME THING, unless they were TAUGHT differently. That's why we teach them or they would be tyrants.
It's only because they haven't developed the parts of their brain that make it so they have empathy.
There's a big difference between nature and nurture. In many cases no matter how you nurture your children they will grow up to be tyrants. Period.
Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods. Many peacemakers had terrible childhoods.
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It's only because they haven't developed the parts of their brain that make it so they have empathy.
There's a big difference between nature and nurture. In many cases no matter how you nurture your children they will grow up to be tyrants. Period.
Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods. Many peacemakers had terrible childhoods.
So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.
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So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.
If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..
But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.
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If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..
But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.
So HITLER was a CRIMINAL?
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So HITLER was a CRIMINAL?
Did he break any international laws?
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Creationistly speaking if a population doesn't have God it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism (god) of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
That's how ::)
"God" has never stopped people from killing eachother. If anything it has made them kill eachother.
And niether has your morals in the genes.
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Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods.
Hilter had a bad childhood.
Was ordering the killing of people not against the law in germany?
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Creationistly speaking if a population doesn't have God it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism (god) of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.
That's how ::)
Flawed argument. As i've mentioned before belief in a God doesn't prevent people from killing others. Belief in god INSPIRES people to kill others.
Does 9/11 ring a bell? ::)
Higher crime rates corelate to belief in God
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
Your argument is based on lies.
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Hilter had a bad childhood.
Was ordering the killing of people not against the law in germany?
Hitler actually had a fairly good childhood.
Secondly Hitler being feuhrer could get rid of any laws or make new laws that would support him. He wasn't limited to laws of Germany. He was limited to international laws. That's why the nazi prisoners of war were tried under international law opposed to german law.
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So he made laws allowing him to order people's death?
Were those in place in 1934 during the night of the long knives?
And on the God issue.... we had this disscussion earlier.... i don't have the energy or desire to get into with you. We agree to disagree. What i'm talking about is your logic can be applied in proving God.
And yes, Many have died becuase of God AND many have not killed becuase of god.
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So he made laws allowing him to order people's death?
Were those in place in 1934 during the night of the long knives?
Don't know.
What i'm talking about is your logic can be applied in proving God.
This is false.
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This is false.
Only applies to your science...
And Hitler had a great childhood of beatings and torture...
Wonderful.
Don't know
Don't know? Maybe you should do some research first before you talked about him not breaking any laws.
Typical.
Nazi's did great with their propaganda concering the warshaw ghetto also.
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Only applies to your science...
And Hitler had a great childhood of beatings and torture...
Wonderful.
Hitler wasn't tortured as a child. Just another myth like him being gay or being a jew.
Don't know? Maybe you should do some research first before you talked about him not breaking any laws.
Typical.
Nazi's did great with their propaganda concering the warshaw ghetto also.
I never said he didn't break any laws.
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Did he break any international laws?
That's not the point.
Morality is actions of right and wrong.
Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.
Our genetics evolved through natural selection.
If we didn't have "empathy" we wouldn't of lasted very long. Empathy is feeling bad when you do bad things to others.
Stating Empathy is genetic.
So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.
Like it says tyrants and dictators share no empathy.
If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..
But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.
Thereby IMPLYING tyrants and dictators are criminals.
Hitler was a dictator, so was he a criminal? According to this yes. You didn't specify what laws were broken to be a criminal, you just associated it with breaking the law period.
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That's not the point. Stating Empathy is genetic.
Like it says tyrants and dictators share no empathy.
Thereby IMPLYING tyrants and dictators are criminals.
Hitler was a dictator, so was he a criminal? According to this yes. You didn't specify what laws were broken to be a criminal, you just associated it with breaking the law period.
Hitler was a Criminal.
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Hitler was a Criminal.
OMG!! HE ADMITS IT! :o
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Man. Sorry I missed this one. ;D
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we never really had a seperation of church and state. I don't see the point of having the commandemtns in court.
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I can see the logic behind posting the last six, but not the first four.