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« Reply #7625 on: July 03, 2021, 11:28:58 PM »
This is a retarted thread for retards who want to lose money

You are a retard, if you think anyone on this thread wants to lose the money. The entire purpose of the discussion (whether you are for or against bitcoin) is how to avoid losing money. Think about it...

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« Reply #7626 on: July 03, 2021, 11:40:00 PM »


Every form of technology is replaced by a cheaper, faster one. Every single one.

As a socio-economic experiment crypto is a success but the only real thing I've seen crypto do at this point is divert $$$ that would have otherwise gone into precious metals. Metals ETF vs physical has already decoupled, imagine if that 1.5T was in the metals market. It would seem a benefit to govts, big industry and central banks that all this fake printed money chase fake assets rather than real ones.

Yes, even gold, (although its use has existed for over 5000 years)...

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« Reply #7627 on: July 04, 2021, 02:23:16 AM »
You are a retard, if you think anyone on this thread wants to lose the money. The entire purpose of the discussion (whether you are for or against bitcoin) is how to avoid losing money. Think about it...

You misunderstood what he said. We are 'retarted' "One who has been given additional tarts. Tartmobile vendor: Here is your extra tart sir. Consider yourself retarted."

I dont believe he referred  to us as 'retarded'.....that would  be ironic. An actual retarded statement.

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« Reply #7628 on: July 04, 2021, 06:02:08 AM »
You misunderstood what he said. We are 'retarted' "One who has been given additional tarts. Tartmobile vendor: Here is your extra tart sir. Consider yourself retarted."

I dont believe he referred  to us as 'retarded'.....that would  be ironic. An actual retarded statement.

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« Reply #7629 on: July 04, 2021, 04:30:18 PM »
Saylor has said BTC is the base layer and other applications will be built ontop of layer 1. I dont  recall him saying no regularion, infact he states regulation  is welcomed as it welcomes  adoption.  Be it Saylor, Musk Maxis .......btc doesn't  give two shits. BTC will keep growing organically.  Btc has weathered a tsunami of attacks over its short tenure, and like the hulk, the more you piss it off the larger and more ferocious it becomes.

I liked his earlier layer talk. I thought that made a lot of sense if it could make it that far.

Recently he said he doesn’t want BTC to have aspirations because it brings regulation. No currency. No payments. No private wallets. He sees the downfall of ETH being that it has aspirations and with that will come heavier regulation which will kill ETH.

It’s an interesting decision he made. Better to sit and do nothing and ‘assume’ the nearest competitor who wants to do a lot more, will fail……..

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« Reply #7630 on: July 05, 2021, 05:00:12 AM »
These fudsters in this thread remind me of the slow kid in class who lashes out at his classmates because they understand the subject and he doesn't.

Like it's THEIR fault because HE hasn't been paying attention or doing his homework  ::)

Bear markets contain lots of FUD because it is used to hide the large players exiting their positions. Makes sense yeah?

I’m pretty fair. I even said this first half of July is where we would see a rally take place if we are going to get one.

I mean, it’s not like the charts look all that fantastic……



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« Reply #7631 on: July 05, 2021, 05:11:13 AM »
You are a retard, if you think anyone on this thread wants to lose the money. The entire purpose of the discussion (whether you are for or against bitcoin) is how to avoid losing money. Think about it...

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« Reply #7632 on: July 05, 2021, 10:39:50 AM »

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« Reply #7633 on: July 05, 2021, 10:54:35 PM »
I liked his earlier layer talk. I thought that made a lot of sense if it could make it that far.

Recently he said he doesn’t want BTC to have aspirations because it brings regulation. No currency. No payments. No private wallets. He sees the downfall of ETH being that it has aspirations and with that will come heavier regulation which will kill ETH.

It’s an interesting decision he made. Better to sit and do nothing and ‘assume’ the nearest competitor who wants to do a lot more, will fail……..

BTC has a great defined role as the rock solid base layer store of value upon which everything else is built. The planet around which many moons orbit.

Think of BTC as the forest floor, with various plants and organisms of all shapes and sizes growing on top, coming and going, evolving, competing, collaborating in symbiosis, all in an organic manner governed by the laws of nature and natural evolution.

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« Reply #7634 on: July 06, 2021, 03:46:27 AM »
Ok so let’s say BTC is God’s gift.

Serious question, why did China just walk away?

They want world domination. They are on track to become the largest economy in the near future. They had the largest crypto mining % globally. Not only did they ban it but they shutdown the mining facilities.

It’s not the central bank crypto because that has a different purpose. What did they see happening that made them want to run a mile?

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« Reply #7635 on: July 06, 2021, 04:46:01 AM »
Ok so let’s say BTC is God’s gift.

Serious question, why did China just walk away?

They want world domination. They are on track to become the largest economy in the near future. They had the largest crypto mining % globally. Not only did they ban it but they shutdown the mining facilities.

It’s not the central bank crypto because that has a different purpose. What did they see happening that made them want to run a mile?

Communist regime. Controlling the people is far more important, they're  still heavily reliant on USA buying their cheap goods and manufacturing it over there.
What good is a decentrilised monetary system in a heavily centralised communist regime? Does BTC not embody property and freedom? Basically everything China is opposed too.

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« Reply #7636 on: July 06, 2021, 05:22:14 AM »
Communist regime. Controlling the people is far more important, they're  still heavily reliant on USA buying their cheap goods and manufacturing it over there.
What good is a decentrilised monetary system in a heavily centralised communist regime? Does BTC not embody property and freedom? Basically everything China is opposed too.

BTC isn’t money, only meant to be a store of wealth.

It’s ok, kind of found my answer

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« Reply #7637 on: July 06, 2021, 06:15:31 AM »
BTC isn’t money, only meant to be a store of wealth.

It’s ok, kind of found my answer

Ok tell that to el.salvador. CCP would rather their  people store wealth in btc or their own country?

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« Reply #7638 on: July 06, 2021, 10:33:57 AM »
Ok so let’s say BTC is God’s gift.

Serious question, why did China just walk away?

They want world domination. They are on track to become the largest economy in the near future. They had the largest crypto mining % globally. Not only did they ban it but they shutdown the mining facilities.

It’s not the central bank crypto because that has a different purpose. What did they see happening that made them want to run a mile?

Potential competition to their eYuan which will be used to keep more control over the population and their access to funds and ability to make payments.

With their current social credit point system they can make it impossible for someone to even buy a train ticket. This probably extends to using banks as well and transferring money.

Anyway, mining leaving China is a good thing, it will now be spread out over more countries. Before, it was about 60% in China.

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« Reply #7639 on: July 06, 2021, 10:38:28 AM »
China is a communist country. While I cannot grasp the bitcoin mania, it is easy to see why a government that wants total control over their people would be adamantly opposed to anonymous transactions.

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« Reply #7640 on: July 07, 2021, 04:21:18 AM »
Ok tell that to el.salvador. CCP would rather their  people store wealth in btc or their own country?

Ah yes, very true. El Salvador opted to have the world’s most volatile currency. We can see 15%+ swings inside a day. I have Asian country customers going apeshit when they get a 10% downswing over a month. Then we have the argument that Because money flows to the top, BTC ends up at the top end of town and unless they have a plan to give it all away for free to the plebs then you’ll quickly find out the rich in El Salvador just got bitcoin for free.

I went over why we use expansionary money systems before using monopoly as an example. We charge interest. The expansion (printing) is the interest allowance and allows plebs to keep playing the game. If we don’t expand, all money ends with one player and everybody else is broke. Bitcoin doesn’t work in today’s world because the top keep what they get, just like in monopoly.

Something to ponder when some countries adopt BTC as currency.

China is a communist country. While I cannot grasp the bitcoin mania, it is easy to see why a government that wants total control over their people would be adamantly opposed to anonymous transactions.

It’s not anonymous, it’s tracked and reported. That is what regulation does. The only way to remain anonymous is to never cash out and never pay BTC to a reporting party otherwise they can see you.


China pulled out because of leverage risk across all assets. They want to distance themselves from crypto contagion.

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« Reply #7641 on: July 07, 2021, 06:39:44 AM »
https://coinmarketcap.com/headlines/news/why-ethereum-eth-may-soon-overtake-bitcoin-btc/

Why Ethereum (ETH) May Soon Overtake Bitcoin (BTC)

Ethereum (ETH), the second-largest cryptocurrency by market cap has catapulted to mainstream adoption this bull season along with Bitcoin (BTC). It has become a growing choice of financial institutions and many including the likes of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan believe it has the potential to eventually overtake BTC as the new store of value.

Goldman Sachs has joined JP Morgan to advocate for ETH as the next store of value and suggest its smart contract capabilities along with its various use cases make it the most sought-after digital asset in the current market. The financial giant’s comment came on Tuesday where it said,

“currently looks like the cryptocurrency with the highest real use potential as Ethereum, the platform on which it is the native digital currency, is the most popular development platform for smart contract applications”

Earlier JP Morgan has lauded Ethereum’s market depth and blockchain capabilities that support smart contracts and the defi ecosystem. The banking giant also predicted the ETH 2.0 could open the gates for a $40 billion staking market.

The ETH 2.0 blockchain staking has also led to a declining ETH supply in the market which in turn has helped its demand to go further up. The evolving Defi ecosystem and several use cases have made it one of the growing choices of institutions.

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« Reply #7642 on: July 07, 2021, 10:00:45 AM »
This is the puppet master (Chicagos wealthiest man, net worth $16b) behind the majority of the crypto pumps and dumps in 2021


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« Reply #7643 on: July 07, 2021, 01:07:49 PM »
https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/ethereum-price-gears-up-for-its-upcoming-triple-halving-202107071339

Ethereum price gears up for its upcoming ‘Triple Halving'

Ethereum enthusiasts are waiting for the delayed release of the London hard fork while trading with caution. The most notable Ethereum Improvement Proposals (EIP) in the upgrade is EIP 1559. This, combined with the transition to Proof-of-Stake (PoS) is considered equivalent to a “Triple Halving”.

Ethereum prepares for network upgrade

The upcoming London hard fork is a critical milestone in the Ethereum roadmap leading up to the release of ETH 2.0. It will change the protocol’s consensus algorithm from Proof-of-Work to Proof-of-Stake and restructure the monetary policy.

Currently, transaction fees are calculated by the concept of the "first-price auction.” Market participants bid a set price for miners to process their transactions and the highest bidder wins. However, this is set to change with EIP 1559.

The network update will introduce a “base fee” for transactions to be included in a block. Users who wish to prioritize their transactions will have the option to add a “tip” or “priority fee” to incentivize miners for including their transactions in the next block. The higher the tip the bigger the chances for the transaction to be processed.

EIP 1559 does not directly intend to make gas cheaper. The base fee will fluctuate by up to 12.5% after blocks are more than 50% full, which makes transaction fees predictable and transparent to prevent users from overpaying for gas.

Among other changes that result from the EIP 1559 upgrade, the most notable one is that 70% of transaction fees on the Ethereum network will be burned, meaning that this supply will be deleted from circulation. The remaining 30% will be delivered to stakers as an additional staking reward, in addition to their regular issuance.

The significant drop in Ether supply is key to drive Ethereum’s price since it makes it a deflationary asset.

Popular Ethereum Researcher Nikhil Shamapant, mentioned in his research on EIP 1559  that

While many Ethereum bulls fully understand that EIP1559 will improve Ether as a store of value, I don’t think they are modeling for the further way it affects elasticity of supply. If supply is being removed, it matters more if it’s being removed from HODlers who were already inelastic anyway or speculators who can’t sell that Ether in the future. There is no more inelastic source of supply than nonexistent supply.

The so-called Triple Halving

Given the significance of the upcoming protocol upgrade, the concept of “Ethereum Triple Halving” that started as an analogy on Crypto Twitter has evolved into an analysis of financial flows to predict what will happen to the price of Ethereum by January 2023.

Ethereum’s Triple Halving has its roots in the reduction in supply, Following a successful upgrade to EIP 1559, a drop in sell pressure is expected. Analysts believe that  a 30% reduction of circulating Ether could take place, which is about half of the effect of a single Bitcoin halving. Meanwhile, the transition to PoS might result in a supply shock equivalent to two halvings.

The much-awaited London hard fork was expected to go live this month, but after a delay, Ethereum core developer Tim Beiko proposed August 4 as the potential launch date. Other key developers will make a final decision on July 9.

While the exact date of the network update remains to be decided, US multinational investment bank Goldman Sachs is bullish on Ethereum.

“[Ether] currently looks like the cryptocurrency with the highest real use potential as Ethereum, the platform on which it is the native digital currency, is the most popular development platform for smart contract applications.”





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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #7644 on: July 07, 2021, 06:54:38 PM »
China is a communist country. While I cannot grasp the bitcoin mania, it is easy to see why a government that wants total control over their people would be adamantly opposed to anonymous transactions.

Not only does the CCP want greater control over Chinese people (whether inside of China or overseas), but it wants control of other parts of the world. Much easier to do this with a controlled Chinese currency which can monitor every transaction down to an individual level. Much harder to do with a decentralized currency over which China as no control of. BTC stands for freedom and individuality (which is entirely counter to, and indeed threatens, the core principles of the communist ideology).

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« Reply #7645 on: July 07, 2021, 07:08:52 PM »
El Salvador opted to have the world’s most volatile currency. We can see 15%+ swings inside a day. I have Asian country customers going apeshit when they get a 10% downswing over a month. Then we have the argument that Because money flows to the top, BTC ends up at the top end of town and unless they have a plan to give it all away for free to the plebs then you’ll quickly find out the rich in El Salvador just got bitcoin for free.


Its easy to see how those privileged enough to lived in countries that have enjoyed currency stability might find the move to officially adopting BTC to be unusual. El Salvador has never had a stable monetary system, and although the USD is not a bad choice for relative stability, before BTC was adopted, they were entirely at the whims (and also under the control) of the US, and US monetary policy. Bitcoin’s fixed, long-term monetary policy, which cannot be changed, arguably provides even greater long term stability and independence (despite short term volatility). Moving from a weaker and devaluing currency to one that will over time always remain perfectly limited in supply could have huge long term advantages, especially for early adopters who can ride out the volatility until a much larger market cap is achieved. Part of the process will be the education of locals on the difference between volatility and long term fundamentals. Payment apps will likely also provide automated and seamless hedging tools.

I'm really excited to see how it all pans out. Will be some great learnings along the way on economics and human behaviour!




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« Reply #7646 on: July 08, 2021, 03:30:02 AM »
Everyone,

I was off the media and online crypto news outlets yesterday and noticed that as of this morning, BTC took a 6%+ dive which sent other alts (ETH included) down.

What happened? Simple pullback? I saw the bearish divergence ETH had yesterday that suggested a drop was probably incoming, but what tipped them all off?

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« Reply #7647 on: July 08, 2021, 03:43:07 AM »
BTC isn’t money, only meant to be a store of wealth.

It’s ok, kind of found my answer

I thought bitcoin was a currency?

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« Reply #7648 on: July 08, 2021, 06:32:26 AM »
Everyone,

I was off the media and online crypto news outlets yesterday and noticed that as of this morning, BTC took a 6%+ dive which sent other alts (ETH included) down.

What happened? Simple pullback? I saw the bearish divergence ETH had yesterday that suggested a drop was probably incoming, but what tipped them all off?

"1"

Looks like a predetermined Crypto dump in anticipation of the global markets taking a hit today.

Institutions selling crypto assets to cover losses elsewhere.

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« Reply #7649 on: July 08, 2021, 07:14:51 AM »
Looks like a predetermined Crypto dump in anticipation of the global markets taking a hit today.

Institutions selling crypto assets to cover losses elsewhere.


They added a 4th shell to the shell game to keep it going. Like I said last page, a fake asset for the fake printed money to chase.