Vicky, No one that doesn't know him or anyone else that claims "natural" can say whether or not he truely is. His physique does in fact look natural, however he has a extra elongated mandible, just for discussion sake(it is an internet board where his pix are posted) see if you can get a pix from before he began training, Not a baby pix, lol. I have gotten a pro natural card as well, as have many, and have been accussed of using too, but I do not have a big underbite and elongated lower jaw.