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U.S. Scores Dead Last Again In Healthcare Study
« on: June 24, 2010, 09:11:53 AM »
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study

Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor
WASHINGTON
Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:48pm EDT



(Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday.

The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found.

"As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing.

Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform.

Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements.

The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here

In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey.

Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454.

This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product.

"We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care."

NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL

The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives.

Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found.

U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results.

"The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads.

Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance.

"On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease.

Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair.

"The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 10:55:17 AM »
Interesting that nobody is commenting on stuff like this.  :-X
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 11:33:01 AM »
No need to worry,Im sure Obamas health care scheme will cure this.Just as his stimulus bill cured UE just as his takeover of GM cured the auto industry.Just as his mortgage bullshit cured housing.This man is brilliant and THE ONE so just like everything else he has touched health care will  get better.

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 12:32:46 PM »
No need to worry,Im sure Obamas health care scheme will cure this.Just as his stimulus bill cured UE just as his takeover of GM cured the auto industry.Just as his mortgage bullshit cured housing.This man is brilliant and THE ONE so just like everything else he has touched health care will  get better.

Can it get worse than dead last??  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 12:34:52 PM »
Can it get worse than dead last??  ;D

YES!!We can be waiting 6 months to get a doctors appointment.Be forced to get our insurance from the government etc. Ever try to buy a stamp from the post office?Multiply that by 100,000 and thats the type of service you will get if the government is involved.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 02:45:45 PM »
YES!!We can be waiting 6 months to get a doctors appointment.Be forced to get our insurance from the government etc. Ever try to buy a stamp from the post office?Multiply that by 100,000 and thats the type of service you will get if the government is involved.

Sounds like a golden entrepreneurial opportunity for you to corner the market on the postage stamp reselling business.
If it's as horrible as you say, I don't think millions of people would mind paying a little extra for postage if they could get their stamps a little quicker. Maybe you should look into it? Just think of all the steroids and pimple cream you could buy with your profits.  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 03:02:10 PM »
Sounds like a golden entrepreneurial opportunity for you to corner the market on the postage stamp reselling business.
If it's as horrible as you say, I don't think millions of people would mind paying a little extra for postage if they could get their stamps a little quicker. Maybe you should look into it? Just think of all the steroids and pimple cream you could buy with your profits.  ;D
he was referring to simply the post office there are plenty of places you can buy stamps which is indeed a red tape bonanza

EVERYONE is in agreement that something needs to be done about the health care situation, but the FACT is and CBO numbers that werent cooked by obama and the dems show that his plan will end up costing us money not saving. It will also lead to rationing of care and DOESNT ADDRESS PRICES ONE BIT!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 03:16:41 PM »
Wow, I'm shocked!  Liberal think tank  The Commonwealth Fund puts out another unbiased study.  ::)

No way anybody could have predicted the outcome.  ::)

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2023, 06:00:18 PM »
At least we get to die fat with all our teeth here in the US.  ;D  My daughter's wisdom teeth extraction was scheduled a week in advance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11825729/11MILLION-Brits-unable-NHS-dentist-appointment-year.html

A kick in the teeth: 11 MILLION Brits were unable to get an NHS dentist appointment last year - leaving some to pull out their own teeth
The number of Brits struggling to get NHS appointments is up from 4m in 2019
Health and Social Care Committee has launched an inquiry into crisis
Appointment issues have also led to a rise in dangerous 'DIY dentistry'

Roughly 11million people in England failed to get an NHS dentist appointment last year, shock data suggests.

Industry leaders warned today the figures — amounting to around one in four adults — show the decaying dental industry 'is running out of road'.

Desperate Brits have had to resort to using shoelaces and pliers to pull out their own rotting teeth.

Experts fear the crisis, which began before Covid kicked off, will only get worse.

Thousands of NHS dentists quit during Covid, and industry polls suggest even more are considering going fully private in the near future.

This has left people with no choice but to pay huge private fees, go without, or do dangerous DIY procedures. Some have even flown overseas for treatment.

The British Dental Association (BDA) today called on the Government and opposition 'commit' to action to reform the 'broken' service.

A 'discredited' contract system is fuelling the crisis, according to the organization.

It is now being investigated by the Health and Social Care Committee.

Dentists argue that under the current contract, it is no longer financially viable to offer NHS procedures because of a lack of Government investment. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2023, 06:42:42 PM »
I’m really not sure how our healthcare system is always listed so fucked up? I don’t have any real issues with it. I mean, I don’t have any real issues with it, beats the alternative.

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2023, 06:52:26 PM »
I thought they said Obamacare was great ::)

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2023, 05:30:18 AM »
I thought they said Obamacare was great ::)

Obamacare is not healthcare itself.

Obamacare is about regulating access to healthcare.  The doctors, entities, networks, etc. are not governed by Obamacare.  The only way to correct that is through healthcare reform.  Which Obamacare should have included, but with the exception of "no preexisting conditions" clause, it didn't. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2023, 06:30:15 AM »
American doctors have been absorbed into corporate owned healthcare practices.

They are forced into groupthink policies, basically doctoring-by-number.

You are given tests.  Based on the results they select a treatment, usually a pharmaceutical.

It's all done with a computer program.

Straying from the menu of treatment is not allowed.

All done in 10-15 minutes, then on to the next patient.

You could probably treat yourself if you had the program.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2023, 02:22:39 PM »
American doctors have been absorbed into corporate owned healthcare practices.

They are forced into groupthink policies, basically doctoring-by-number.

You are given tests.  Based on the results they select a treatment, usually a pharmaceutical.

It's all done with a computer program.

Straying from the menu of treatment is not allowed.

All done in 10-15 minutes, then on to the next patient.

You could probably treat yourself if you had the program.

There is much truth in what you say. This is why it is important to realize doctors are only 'practicing medicine'. It is up to the patient or the patient's advocate to educate themselves and speak up when they don't agree with the doctor. What is more, there is nothing wrong with firing your doctor if you don't believe they are giving you the best treatment or advice.