The Mentzer files- Lost and found

[Gym-Rat]

Nautilus is still in business and doing well.
They also own bowflex, schwinn, universal, etc.

Gary Jones (Art's son) started Hammer-Strength with Kim Wood, also very successful.
(Now owned by Life Fitness, who also owns Cybex, SciFit, etc)

[IroNat]

It's like that book, "The Complete Book of Running".  There was a sequel.   

Is Jim Fixx still dead?

 

[Humble Narcissist]

Nautilus is still in business and doing well.
They also own bowflex, schwinn, universal, etc.

Gary Jones (Art's son) started Hammer-Strength with Kim Wood, also very successful.
(Now owned by Life Fitness, who also owns Cybex, SciFit, etc)

All those companies are shit except Hammer-Strength which Jones' son was disowned because he built something better than Nautilus. Bowflex doesn't even have any eccentric resistance so does very little to build strength or hypertrophy.

[wes]

Nautilus 4 Way Neck Machine, Lying Leg Curls, and Pullovers are great as well as the Dual Squat Machine.......but not as much.

[Taffin]

Nautilus is still in business.  They make exercise bikes, elipticals, and treadmills.  The same company also owns bowflex.

Nautilus was the forerunner for just about every machine you see in the gym now, so I would hardly call them a failure.  When it comes to inventions, you always give credit to the first even though everything that follow will be better.  Look at how much innovation there's been in exercise equipment since the first Nautilus and look at how different the modern gym looks today.

I don't think I ever trained anywhere that had their equipment... and I'm a free weights sort of person I suppose.  But I always thought that if you were going to design machines, then wherever possible, matching the resistance to the strength of the muscle through the range of the movement kinda made logical sense - cams, and all that.  I always enjoy using a pullover with a decent cam design, for example

A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays?  Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?

[IroNat]

There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.

https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/

[Gym-Rat]

A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays?  Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?

tried a pec-deck once or twice, hated it.
i mainly use barbells & dumbbells, always have. some machines i like, but dont use them often. Of course for thing slike leg-curls/extensions, etc they are valuable.

main issue i see with machines, many use them 100% and they just spend their entire workout sitting on their ass.

[IroNat]

I don't think I ever trained anywhere that had their equipment... and I'm a free weights sort of person I suppose.  But I always thought that if you were going to design machines, then wherever possible, matching the resistance to the strength of the muscle through the range of the movement kinda made logical sense - cams, and all that.  I always enjoy using a pullover with a decent cam design, for example

A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays?  Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?

Pec Decs have been replaced by this...

[Hypertrophy]

There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.

https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/

I think recovery is by far the most critical factor in training.


I keep track of my 10 second power uphill in bicycling- it is a benchmark for sprinting ability. I have been chasing a particular number outdoors on my road bike- 1200 watts- for over 6 months.  I have been inching up to it but it has been elusive. Recently I had to take 4 days off from cycling due to business (Dubai).


 I jumped on my bike and went out for a ride. Feeling good, I tried the hill climb and was shocked to see I broke my previous best by 50 watts. That is like breaking your bench record by 25 pounds. in the past I was giving myself 3 easy days between sprint sessions and felt perfectly recovered. But this time I did absolutely nothing for 4 days and destroyed my previous record.


Mentzer was right in this regard.

[wes]

I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.

[Hypertrophy]

I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.

I completely lift by dumbbells now and feel a lot better than when I used the machines at Gold's.

[The Scott]

Is Jim Fixx still dead?

 

Yup!  But I think Mentzer faked his death. 

[The Scott]

There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.

https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/

I agree with what you say also with the premise that this was Mentzer's most productive routine.  I have tried the way Mike wrote about in his last book and it nearly killed me.  I could not train for a week or more after a session lasting maybe 10 to 15 minutes.

But the routine mentioned in the link you provided is fairly sound as are the thoughts on rest.  Mentzer was also on a truckload of steroids and that stuff makes recovery not only faster but more complete if you will.   I saw the brothers and Viator train one time at the original Gold's.  It was, as Pamith would say, brutal.

[IroNat]

Yup!  But I think Mentzer faked his death. 

He's alive and living in Dubai, India.

Personal trainer to the Maharaja.

[The Scott]

He's alive and living in Dubai, India.

Personal trainer to the Maharaja.

Probably worshiped as a minor god over there.   

[IroNat]

I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.

[wes]

I completely lift by dumbbells now and feel a lot better than when I used the machines at Gold's.

I came to realize that I didn`t feel most of the machines in the targeted muscle areas I was working....I just did them cuz everybody else did them.

Leg Press and Hacks are all I truly miss.

I`m training hard at home and looking much better and stronger plus I`m saving over 700 dollars a year in gym fees and avoiding a ton of assholes who frequent the place and take up my space.

[wes]

You nut.  LOL

[Taffin]

Pec Decs have been replaced by this...

That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure

I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.

Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band

[The Scott]

That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure


Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band

Dammit!  That be funny!  Thanks, brother!

[Taffin]

Dammit!  That be funny!  Thanks, brother!

 

Hope you're well my friend

[ESFitness]

I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.

one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.

[wes]

That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure


Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band

I`ve got all their albums.  LOL 

[wes]

one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.

Are you claiming that you actually got some pussy

[Taffin]

one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.

LOL

Talking of Fuck-Machines - as we now appear to be doing - I follow Margie Martin on IG and note that she has pulled multiple posts over time - see #4

For example (and I'm not imagining this)

1.  All photos of her ex-BF once she turned lesbian with that tattooed chick
2.  All photos of that tattooed lesbian once they broke up
3.  A shot of a huge bag of bud/weed between her legs when only wearing a bikini
4.  A kind of advert for one of those 'dildo on a rod driven by a cam' machines that I think we are referencing

She's got at least one kid, so maybe they tell her off or something, but man I find that strange...🤔