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What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« on: August 22, 2007, 01:34:43 PM »
What Vick should do about animal cruelty


It is hard for those of us whose jobs have long been to pick up the remains of abused animals – beaten, burned, raped, chained to the point of madness – to think kindly of Michael Vick.

We think of his now well-publicized role in the crude electrocution of trusting dogs, and it is difficult for us to think of a way to work side-by-side with him. We have to ask ourselves, however, what good can come of simply dwelling on horrors that we have no power to go back in time to stop. There has to be a way forward.

One answer can be found in the South African Truth and Reconciliation trials, one of the most forward-thinking exercises of all times. People who had beaten and tortured other human beings were permitted to enter a room and answer questions about their deadly deeds and murderous acts, withholding nothing in describing how low they had sunk and how blind they had been to the suffering of their victims.

From mighty politicians and community leaders to lowly police officers and common “snitches,” all faced their accusers and told their stories and provided times and dates and details that no one wished to hear but that needed to be recorded. The appearances have been described as cleansing and finalizing, as redemptive and historical. Is there anything to be learned from that system that could be applied to the Vick case?

I don't expect Michael Vick to completely bare his soul, although he will have to admit to certain criminal acts of cruelty, but in a world plagued with violence, we need reconciliation. It can come in the form of words of advice from Vick to all those who have looked up to him and to all those who are closely following his trajectory through the legal system because they, too, have blood on their hands.

He needs to speak out forcefully against dogfighting, and there is a way that he can do so earnestly and honestly. He does not have to say that he has suddenly realized that dogs are not machines, that they are flesh and blood and that he has suddenly changed from a person who saw dollar signs and rejoiced in the howls and gurgling last breaths of dogs as they killed each other into a person who gets teary-eyed when he hears of a dog's wounds. Few people would believe him if he did. He can say what we know is true: “Fight dogs, and you may lose your livelihood and your friends and hurt not only yourself but all those precious to you.” He needs to say, “If you are in dogfighting, look at me. Look how far I have fallen. Get out!”

The rock mogul Russell Simmons, who is a spiritual person, thinks Vick will become enlightened because of this experience. Others who advise and guide Vick say that he is a person who has shown love for animals but who somehow compartmentalized his feelings for animals into those he cares for at home and those he uses and abuses in his gambling enterprise. Before we cast the first stone of skepticism, we should remember that all of us are capable of compartmentalizing our thinking in order to excuse bad behavior.

If we truly acted as if we believed what we are now shouting from the rooftops – that cruelty to animals is just plain wrong – we would all think of what goes on in slaughterhouses and become vegetarians. We would race home at lunchtime or pay someone to be there for us to make sure our dogs didn't have to sit with their legs crossed, waiting to relieve themselves. We would turn away in disgust from animal circuses because in our hearts we know that elephants want to be with their families in the wild, not forced, through the use of bullhooks, to stand on their hind legs while wearing a silly costume.

But Vick's failure to recognize animals as sentient individuals who were harmed needlessly is the issue now in the spotlight. Now that he has admitted his guilt, he needs to speak out against dogfighting, if only to stop youngsters from thinking that their football hero's only “crime” was that he got caught.

By Ingrid E. Newkirk
August 22, 2007


 Newkirk is the president of Norfork, Va.-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (www.PETA.org).
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Re: What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 01:37:34 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 01:41:09 PM »
Anybody who gives a shit raise their hand? (the crowd remains silent with empty looks)

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Re: What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 01:43:15 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 01:43:34 PM »
Anybody who gives a shit raise their hand? (the crowd remains silent with empty looks)
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Re: What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 01:45:37 PM »
lol.  stop making me laugh.  i dont even know what that is.
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Re: What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 01:45:44 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 01:46:15 PM »
Ingrid is a smart women, although very controversial in her leadership skills. I dont always agreee with her public relations tactics and tabloid sensationlistic style. However she has done a good job overall but I think its time for a new leader of PETA.

Hey Squadfather when are you and Kelly Jane gonna get it on?  She is obviously doing all of this to get your attention.

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 01:46:45 PM »
Sorry, but the motherfuckker's words are worthless.  Vick will get his ass kicked in court...that'll have to do for now.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 01:47:42 PM »
Ingrid is a smart women, although very controversial in her leadership skills. I dont always agreee with her public relations tactics and tabloid sensationlistic style. However she has done a good job overall but I think its time for a new leader of PETA.

Hey Squadfather when are you and Kelly Jane gonna get it on?  She is obviously doing all of this to get your attention.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 01:52:06 PM »
Ingrid is a smart women, although very controversial in her leadership skills. I dont always agreee with her public relations tactics and tabloid sensationlistic style. However she has done a good job overall but I think its time for a new leader of PETA.

Hey Squadfather when are you and Kelly Jane gonna get it on?  She is obviously doing all of this to get your attention.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 02:29:45 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2007, 02:30:20 PM »
What Vick should do about animal cruelty


It is hard for those of us whose jobs have long been to pick up the remains of abused animals – beaten, burned, raped, chained to the point of madness – to think kindly of Michael Vick.

We think of his now well-publicized role in the crude electrocution of trusting dogs, and it is difficult for us to think of a way to work side-by-side with him. We have to ask ourselves, however, what good can come of simply dwelling on horrors that we have no power to go back in time to stop. There has to be a way forward.

One answer can be found in the South African Truth and Reconciliation trials, one of the most forward-thinking exercises of all times. People who had beaten and tortured other human beings were permitted to enter a room and answer questions about their deadly deeds and murderous acts, withholding nothing in describing how low they had sunk and how blind they had been to the suffering of their victims.

From mighty politicians and community leaders to lowly police officers and common “snitches,” all faced their accusers and told their stories and provided times and dates and details that no one wished to hear but that needed to be recorded. The appearances have been described as cleansing and finalizing, as redemptive and historical. Is there anything to be learned from that system that could be applied to the Vick case?

I don't expect Michael Vick to completely bare his soul, although he will have to admit to certain criminal acts of cruelty, but in a world plagued with violence, we need reconciliation. It can come in the form of words of advice from Vick to all those who have looked up to him and to all those who are closely following his trajectory through the legal system because they, too, have blood on their hands.

He needs to speak out forcefully against dogfighting, and there is a way that he can do so earnestly and honestly. He does not have to say that he has suddenly realized that dogs are not machines, that they are flesh and blood and that he has suddenly changed from a person who saw dollar signs and rejoiced in the howls and gurgling last breaths of dogs as they killed each other into a person who gets teary-eyed when he hears of a dog's wounds. Few people would believe him if he did. He can say what we know is true: “Fight dogs, and you may lose your livelihood and your friends and hurt not only yourself but all those precious to you.” He needs to say, “If you are in dogfighting, look at me. Look how far I have fallen. Get out!”

The rock mogul Russell Simmons, who is a spiritual person, thinks Vick will become enlightened because of this experience. Others who advise and guide Vick say that he is a person who has shown love for animals but who somehow compartmentalized his feelings for animals into those he cares for at home and those he uses and abuses in his gambling enterprise. Before we cast the first stone of skepticism, we should remember that all of us are capable of compartmentalizing our thinking in order to excuse bad behavior.

If we truly acted as if we believed what we are now shouting from the rooftops – that cruelty to animals is just plain wrong – we would all think of what goes on in slaughterhouses and become vegetarians. We would race home at lunchtime or pay someone to be there for us to make sure our dogs didn't have to sit with their legs crossed, waiting to relieve themselves. We would turn away in disgust from animal circuses because in our hearts we know that elephants want to be with their families in the wild, not forced, through the use of bullhooks, to stand on their hind legs while wearing a silly costume.

But Vick's failure to recognize animals as sentient individuals who were harmed needlessly is the issue now in the spotlight. Now that he has admitted his guilt, he needs to speak out against dogfighting, if only to stop youngsters from thinking that their football hero's only “crime” was that he got caught.

By Ingrid E. Newkirk
August 22, 2007


 Newkirk is the president of Norfork, Va.-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (www.PETA.org).


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Re: What Vick should do about animal cruelty.
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2007, 02:34:06 PM »

How big of a bush do you think Ingrid is packing?

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2007, 02:37:06 PM »

How big of a bush do you think Ingrid is packing?

To many big words for you huh?   ::)
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2007, 02:40:06 PM »
Below is the response of the NAACP regarding Vick.  What I find interesting is the fact that they did not feel the same way about Don Imus.  They found it perfectly acceptable to tar and feather Imus.(who I don't even listen to) for something he said but Vick can murder animals indiscriminately for the the purposes of dog fighting and he should be allowed to come back to the NFL without repercussions simply because he brings "joy" to thousands something that I am sure Imus did as well.  And god forbid anybody judge him for his actions.  The NAACP is a joke and this is coming from a liberal leaning person who is just fed up with the bullshit, hypocrisies and double standards.




ATLANTA (AP) -- An NAACP leader said Michael Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback made a mistake and should be allowed to prove he has learned from that mistake.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.
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