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Seeing the beloved bodybuilders that have left this earth this 2021 ...
I couldn't help but think, instead of Meadows and Rhoden passing (both mid -late 40's)
What if the dead champs were Jay Cutler and Kai Greene ... would you feel more like ; it was their choice" and no one really has a saying on their deaths ?
I mean; they( Jay and Kai ) juicing well over 2 decades, over 230 lbs, late 40's but NO KIDS ... So it's their choice and they don't have anyone to look after if they have to check out early ....
I don't know how anyone out there in Meadows or Rhoden shoes looking at their small child ...will say fuck it " Ill keep juicing and always be there for my kids .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH
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Seeing the beloved bodybuilders that have left this earth this 2021 ...
I couldn't help but think, instead of Meadows and Rhoden passing (both mid -late 40's)
What if the dead champs were Jay Cutler and Kai Greene ... would you feel more like ; it was their choice" and no one really has a saying on their deaths ?
I mean; they( Jay and Kai ) juicing well over 2 decades, over 230 lbs, late 40's but NO KIDS ... So it's their choice and they don't have anyone to look for if they have to check out early ....
I don't know how anyone out there in Meadows or Rhoden shoes looking at their small child ...will say fuck it " Ill keep juicing and always be there for my kids .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH
at the end of the day most bb's are insecure little men, they have no sense of worth without their show muscles
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maybe that why Kali muscle keeps showing his cars and not his family anymore
he used to show his wife often but she STRCKLY behind the scenes now - taking care of the kid
all the dudes I see, esp the ones over 40 - talk about their cars and shit they have purchased
no one talks about their dumbass kids "being there for them"
doesn't Shaq talk about not giving his kids ANYTHING and making them work for themselves in this world
you can usually tell the bodybuilders who were handed money, easy living, no stress - or ones like Fouad who have a female who takes care of them and just he chills at the house all day and cooks shit, making YouTube vids and repetitive podcasts (no kids btw)
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I think using Meadows as an example of someone who said "fuck my kids" is possibly a bit misguided. He continued with HRT, was at 100mg and 200mg IIRC. No GH. It is not completely certain that going to zero test would have extended his life. He did consult with doctors. Of course you could argue that you will find the docs that let you do and take what you want. But still.
I am 44 and still juice. It is not healthy but I'm not "done" yet.
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I think using Meadows as an example of someone who said "fuck my kids" is possibly a bit misguided. He continued with HRT, was at 100mg and 200mg IIRC. No GH. It is not completely certain that going to zero test would have extended his life. He did consult with doctors. Of course you could argue that you will find the docs that let you do and take what you want. But still.
I am 44 and still juice. It is not healthy but I'm not "done" yet.
it's not just the juice tho, what did meadows weigh? how much food did he shove down his gullet
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^^^this
I think its more about the food - the ones who take loads of gh to keep body fat low so they can take in extra calories
how diff is that from an obese dude that weighs the SAME - 300lbs
the stress of eating, shitting, metabolizing food (CONSTANTLY), I'm sure most of them are mostly unaware of how much shit they eat - maybe not everyday but those 'super feed" mukbang things - those add up
there's that Nikado Avocado kid on YouTube - literally got rich by making himself fat and eating huge amounts of food on camera - people like watching you fck up now - fck up in life, fck up your body - its entertaining
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WOULD TRT be considered "juicing" for men over 40, 50?....
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Seeing the beloved bodybuilders that have left this earth this 2021 ...
I couldn't help but think, instead of Meadows and Rhoden passing (both mid -late 40's)
What if the dead champs were Jay Cutler and Kai Greene ... would you feel more like ; it was their choice" and no one really has a saying on their deaths ?
I mean; they( Jay and Kai ) juicing well over 2 decades, over 230 lbs, late 40's but NO KIDS ... So it's their choice and they don't have anyone to look for if they have to check out early ....
I don't know how anyone out there in Meadows or Rhoden shoes looking at their small child ...will say fuck it " Ill keep juicing and always be there for my kids .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH
Lots of bodybuilders are married with kids, including many of the Mr. Os.
Nobody complains about those guys supposedly juicing themselves to death. Sergio Oliva held up Sergio Jr. at the Olympia. Haney won his last Olympia with his baby daughter (also named Olympia) in tow.
And we've lost count of how many kids Coleman has.
Jackson's family was en masse at his swan song (at age 51) last year.
So, this whole thing about ignoring kids is a bit overblown.
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I think using Meadows as an example of someone who said "fuck my kids" is possibly a bit misguided. He continued with HRT, was at 100mg and 200mg IIRC. No GH. It is not completely certain that going to zero test would have extended his life. He did consult with doctors. Of course you could argue that you will find the docs that let you do and take what you want. But still.
I am 44 and still juice. It is not healthy but I'm not "done" yet.
From what you have posted here you take all kinds of drugs, not just steroids.
What is it about your life that you need to take all those drugs?
Do you have emotional problems?
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WOULD TRT be considered "juicing" for men over 40, 50?....
Of course it is. And do we really believe Meadows was only on TRT of minimal dosage?
C'mon man...
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From what you have posted here you take all kinds of drugs, not just steroids.
What is it about your life that you need to take all those drugs?
Do you have emotional problems?
I used to grow herb (because gh15 told me to) and at the time I started tripping a lot - grew some mushrooms and then started extracting dm.t from mimosa hostilis root bark
it was the only time I was able to change my thinking up enough to see what I was doing in excess - eating too much, taking too much gas (both roids n trees), it allowed me to come off everything for a year , reset - made me more aware of my emotional responses to shit esp people and weak men putting their insecurities on you in public esp shitty small gyms
anyway - certain "drugs' helped me a great deal in being more aware of my emotions, how I react to shit, what I need to be doing to really to better MYSELF and not some other person or their business - I don't let stress overwhelm me dictate how I make decisions anymore
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I used to grow herb (because gh15 told me to) and at the time I started tripping a lot - grew some mushrooms and then started extracting dm.t from mimosa hostilis root bark
it was the only time I was able to change my thinking up enough to see what I was doing in excess - eating too much, taking too much gas (both roids n trees), it allowed me to come off everything for a year , reset - made me more aware of my emotional responses to shit esp people and weak men putting their insecurities on you in public esp shitty small gyms
anyway - certain "drugs' helped me a great deal in being more aware of my emotions, how I react to shit, what I need to be doing to really to better MYSELF and not some other person or their business - I don't let stress overwhelm me dictate how I make decisions anymore
Yeah, it's the fault of the food.
Addicts gonna addict.
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From what you have posted here you take all kinds of drugs, not just steroids.
What is it about your life that you need to take all those drugs?
Do you have emotional problems?
I have severe emotional problems, always did. Drugs make existence a little more tolerable, that's why I take them.
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I don't know how anyone out there in Meadows or Rhoden shoes looking at their small child ...will say fuck it " Ill keep juicing and always be there for my kids .
This is almost how a logical person might think, but you give some these guys too much credit.
Some do the wife and kids thing in the hopes it fills that emptiness inside them. In most cases it doesn't, so back to the lifestyle.
Others have the mindset that they've continued their bloodline so now they can carry on living recklessly.
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WOULD TRT be considered "juicing" for men over 40, 50?....
The thing is people say they are doing TRT which 150-200 MG per week.. the bodybuilder TRT. in actuality if you go through and endourologist that number is alot lower to get you in the optimal range.
People of course differ but i know people are on doc prescribed TRT doing .5 ml even .25 ml a week which is 50-75 mg per week.
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it's not just the juice tho, what did meadows weigh? how much food did he shove down his gullet
I don't know what he weighed exactly but he did come down in weight. According to him he adjusted the food and protein intake downwards. What should he have done? Starve himself, completely stopped exercising and gone hypogonadal on top?
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there are a lot of men who believe they "are on top of it"
by being married, eating well, working out, having a decent job - maybe your mom and sister say you look good - you have some "friends"
but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
but he's an "addict" and youre a badass at life because your drink alcohol and goto work everyday - go compete , go get into a violent fight with a man you don't know - clean the teeth, blood - whole diff perspective and your sorry ass will never raise to that level
just keep getting off on your 'college experience" and stare at your bank account but there's a reason you post on this board and seek out large men - just don't tell your wife
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there are a lot of men who believe they "are on top it"
by being married, eating well, working out, having a decent job - maybe your mom and sister say you look good - you have some "friends"
but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
but he's an "addict" and youre a badass at life because your drink alcohol and goto work everyday - go compete , go get into a violent fight with a man you don't know - clean the teeth, blood - whole diff perspective and your sorry ass will never raise to that level
just keep getting off on your 'college experience" and stare at your bank account but there's a reason you post on this board and seek out large men - just don't tell your wife
This is a good post. Guys here cry about bodybuilders but know all minutia about bodybuilders, probably better than the guys in question themselves. Clearly bodybuilders left a strong impression on these guys.
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but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
The original post is about bodybuilders who have kids and the choices they make. You have gone off on a tangent. Are you feeling guilty about something?
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Bhanky is a serious candidate, high vascularity is synonym of an early heart attack and considering its multimorbidity illnesses + its high PEDs usage + the fact that he looks 15 years older than his age, hum..
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The original post is about bodybuilders who have kids and the choices they make. You have gone off on a tangent. Are you feeling guilty about something?
I feel guilty about stuff but not bodybuilding
I went off on a tangent because people throw around "addict" and jump to conclusions - a lot of weak, low level bodybuilders tend to do this and make this assumption - they are wrong and based on your lack of knowledge and experience in life , like everyone who does any drug other than PEDS is bad, loser - horseshit, spoken like a female on her high horse of bullshit
I have to expose this - it drives the quality of the board down and Im here to maintain it - you can tell by you handle, they way certain people post, and their replies how the go about life - not saying it wrong or right - its apparent and weak man shit to me, an addict to psychedelics ? lack of experience and being so quick to try to write someone off - coming from the type of guys you don't notice in life, the gym , ever - so they have to be loud and try to garner attention
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I feel guilty about stuff but not bodybuilding
I went off on a tangent because people throw around "addict" and jump to conclusions - a lot of weak, low level bodybuilders tend to do this and make this assumption - they are wrong and based on your lack of knowledge and experience in life , like everyone who does any drug other than PEDS is bad, loser - horseshit, spoken like a female on her high horse of bullshit
I have to expose this - it drives the quality of the board down and Im here to maintain it - you can tell by you handle, they way certain people post, and their replies how the go about life - not saying it wrong or right - its apparent and weak man shit to me, an addict to psychedelics ? lack of experience and being so quick to try to write someone off - coming from the type of guys you don't notice in life, the gym , ever - so they have to be loud and try to garner attention
where are you at in all of this,you had a great build,competed,are you still in same mindset or train and juice'light'..
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where are you at in all of this,you had a great build,competed,are you still in same mindset or train and juice'light'..
yea bro
the whole "off cycle" thing lasted a year (2018) - I went vegan, ate once a day, got down to 180lbs like an idiot
but I got back into lifting, eventually started back on the juice - lil gh and slin too - shot back up to 250lbs
I stay around 235lbs - on minimal test - Im thinking about maybe competing again but it would def not be in NC - this is one of the worst states to compete - maybe go back to Vegas - people were really cool out there for the most part
I haven't really gotten deep into the anabolics - I never went over 3ius gh or 20ius/day of long slin - did some tbol and Eq - not gonna lie I used to blast shit like an idiot - got the same results with a lot less AAS, just being patient
Im 39 now - I won states as a teen and competed against PJ Braun in 06 at Jr USAs - I gave up competing when the head NPC judge/locla pro in my state (NC) kicked me out of all his gyms and told me "this is my world" /good luck tying to compete because of a post he was told I wrote on GB
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Of course it is. And do we really believe Meadows was only on TRT of minimal dosage?
C'mon man...
I don't know what he weighed exactly but he did come down in weight. According to him he adjusted the food and protein intake downwards. What should he have done? Starve himself, completely stopped exercising and gone hypogonadal on top?
Repost - this was him a few months later on 'TRT' after his 'full recovery'... I posted to question his 'fullness' or something like that...
(http://i.postimg.cc/KjWm6XYf/JM_8_Dec.gif)
So what do we think? TRT? TRT+? Or was he slowly increasing the dose while keeping an eye out for warning signs..?
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I'm of the mind that "to each his own" in regards to PEDs. You just have to realize there are side effects to every drug- from aspirin. So you take your chances.
Recreational drugs are a different matter. They turn your brain into shit. Including alcohol.
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Repost - this was him a few months later on 'TRT' after his 'full recovery'... I posted to question his 'fullness' or something like that...
(http://i.postimg.cc/KjWm6XYf/JM_8_Dec.gif)
So what do we think? TRT? TRT+? Or was he slowly increasing the dose while keeping an eye out for warning signs..?
When you are bigger than ever - but it's edema from heart failure.
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there are a lot of men who believe they "are on top of it"
by being married, eating well, working out, having a decent job - maybe your mom and sister say you look good - you have some "friends"
but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
but he's an "addict" and youre a badass at life because your drink alcohol and goto work everyday - go compete , go get into a violent fight with a man you don't know - clean the teeth, blood - whole diff perspective and your sorry ass will never raise to that level
just keep getting off on your 'college experience" and stare at your bank account but there's a reason you post on this board and seek out large men - just don't tell your wife
Sons and daughters level post. ;D
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yea bro
the whole "off cycle" thing lasted a year (2018) - I went vegan, ate once a day, got down to 180lbs like an idiot
but I got back into lifting, eventually started back on the juice - lil gh and slin too - shot back up to 250lbs
I stay around 235lbs - on minimal test - Im thinking about maybe competing again but it would def not be in NC - this is one of the worst states to compete - maybe go back to Vegas - people were really cool out there for the most part
I haven't really gotten deep into the anabolics - I never went over 3ius gh or 20ius/day of long slin - did some tbol and Eq - not gonna lie I used to blast shit like an idiot - got the same results with a lot less AAS, just being patient
Im 39 now - I won states as a teen and competed against PJ Braun in 06 at Jr USAs - I gave up competing when the head NPC judge/locla pro in my state (NC) kicked me out of all his gyms and told me "this is my world" /good luck tying to compete because of a post he was told I wrote on GB
8)...I remember back in the 2012/13 and up few yrs ago you were real big and good condition you were top build here...i think you dissapeared abit when you downsized 18 or so,,i notice more last few months you were back,,thats a good thing.
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Repost - this was him a few months later on 'TRT' after his 'full recovery'... I posted to question his 'fullness' or something like that...
(http://i.postimg.cc/KjWm6XYf/JM_8_Dec.gif)
So what do we think? TRT? TRT+? Or was he slowly increasing the dose while keeping an eye out for warning signs..?
You have to take into account what he looked like at his peak also. You don't lose all muscle overnight if you are on say 200mg of test (about double high normal test). He could have been truthful in my opinion. But you can never know for sure.
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You have to take into account what he looked like at his peak also. You don't lose all muscle overnight if you are on say 200mg of test (about double high normal test). He could have been truthful in my opinion. But you can never know for sure.
the guy no doubt built a tremendous build especially his conditioning and despite his genetics plus some earlier health issues,he got to where he wanted to.but after taking yrs to get a pro card whether its master qualifier or class win ,maybe call it a day and move on.especially as one gets older.
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Seeing the beloved bodybuilders that have left this earth this 2021 ...
I couldn't help but think, instead of Meadows and Rhoden passing (both mid -late 40's)
What if the dead champs were Jay Cutler and Kai Greene ... would you feel more like ; it was their choice" and no one really has a saying on their deaths ?
I mean; they( Jay and Kai ) juicing well over 2 decades, over 230 lbs, late 40's but NO KIDS ... So it's their choice and they don't have anyone to look for if they have to check out early ....
I don't know how anyone out there in Meadows or Rhoden shoes looking at their small child ...will say fuck it " Ill keep juicing and always be there for my kids .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH
Most people in their 40's don't consider death regardless of lifestyle.
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the guy no doubt built a tremendous build especially his conditioning and despite his genetics plus some earlier health issues,he got to where he wanted to.but after taking yrs to get a pro card whether its master qualifier or class win ,maybe call it a day and move on.especially as one gets older.
It's easy to say, then you are suddenly 40+ and you're supposed to hang it up :D
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Sons and daughters level post. ;D
Embarrassing meltdown tbh. Thoughts & prayers to him :'(
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there are a lot of men who believe they "are on top of it"
by being married, eating well, working out, having a decent job - maybe your mom and sister say you look good - you have some "friends"
but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
but he's an "addict" and youre a badass at life because your drink alcohol and goto work everyday - go compete , go get into a violent fight with a man you don't know - clean the teeth, blood - whole diff perspective and your sorry ass will never raise to that level
just keep getting off on your 'college experience" and stare at your bank account but there's a reason you post on this board and seek out large men - just don't tell your wife
Haha that was great
The whole steroids thing is irrelevant these days, many women are more aware these days and can spot if someone is on gear and they truly don’t give a fuck anymore it’s not the deterrent the proud natural man likes to think it is
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Haha that was great
The whole steroids thing is irrelevant these days, many women are more aware these days and can spot if someone is on gear and they truly don’t give a fuck anymore it’s not the deterrent the proud natural man likes to think it is
Truth. Steroids are a fact of life- some women like the look, some don't. Its no different than guys liking fat chicks over skinny, haha. A nod to Kwon of course ;D
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Most people in their 40's don't consider death regardless of lifestyle.
QFT
It's easy to say, then you are suddenly 40+ and you're supposed to hang it up :D
QFT
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Repost - this was him a few months later on 'TRT' after his 'full recovery'... I posted to question his 'fullness' or something like that...
(http://i.postimg.cc/KjWm6XYf/JM_8_Dec.gif)
So what do we think? TRT? TRT+? Or was he slowly increasing the dose while keeping an eye out for warning signs..?
Thats not a look you get from TRT.
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There’s juicing and then there’s pro bodybuilder juicing. It’s kind of like the difference between drinking a six pack of beer a day and a case of day.
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I feel guilty about stuff but not bodybuilding
I went off on a tangent because people throw around "addict" and jump to conclusions - a lot of weak, low level bodybuilders tend to do this and make this assumption - they are wrong and based on your lack of knowledge and experience in life , like everyone who does any drug other than PEDS is bad, loser - horseshit, spoken like a female on her high horse of bullshit
I have to expose this - it drives the quality of the board down and Im here to maintain it - you can tell by you handle, they way certain people post, and their replies how the go about life - not saying it wrong or right - its apparent and weak man shit to me, an addict to psychedelics ? lack of experience and being so quick to try to write someone off - coming from the type of guys you don't notice in life, the gym , ever - so they have to be loud and try to garner attention
I agree with you.
A lot of anti-drug people on this board. I just ignore them, if they don't like what i do i could care less.
They have never tried most drugs either, they just feel the need to tell people things, like a parent.
Doing LSD a few times or DMT will not hurt you. And it absolutely can change your perspective on life.
I've done a lot of drugs in my life, but always with limits, not regularly. And i can promise you my perspective and attitude on life has changed due to some experiences i've had.
A few years ago i changed my life completely and have become the Zen master. My life is amazing, every day is like vacation. I don't even know what stress is anymore.
What i've learned is to not take people seriously. There are many people who want to bring you down just because they disagree with you or were raised differently.
Do what you want, it's your life.
If someone wants to juice themselves into an early grave, it's none of my business. If they have kids that sucks, but people will never change their minds because a bunch of random dudes tell them too.
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:'(
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In all fairness, Jay and Kai are probably genetically able to carry a larger amount of bodyweight than Meadows and Rhoden. It might not be healthy, but they have an easier time and a bit less strain than someone gassing themselves all out for extended times. Even in their peak days, Jay and Kai never seemed to be out of breath or struggling like some are.
Jay got smart and tapered way down once he left the stage. Kept some size for the ego, but stills looks very healthy. Kai.... well, not sure wtf he is doing. That dude is still all jacked up and could probably win any show entered at this point but why? I could understand if he was planning a dramatic comeback.... but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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There’s juicing and then there’s pro bodybuilder juicing. It’s kind of like the difference between drinking a six pack of beer a day and a case of day.
Yeah people forget this.
Some think taking 200mg of Test a week is going to kill you. ;D
These high level guys take so much shit it's insane. AAS, peptides, GH, insulin, supplements, energy drinks, massive amounts of foods, sugars, carbs, fats, protein, etc.
Then beat themselves into the ground at the gym 4-5 days a week.
Then starve themselves and run chemicals and diuretics to get cut and lean.
It's a very unhealthy lifestyle. And they do it for years on end with no real breaks.
The human body was not built for any of this.
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Lots of bodybuilders are married with kids, including many of the Mr. Os.
Nobody complains about those guys supposedly juicing themselves to death. Sergio Oliva held up Sergio Jr. at the Olympia. Haney won his last Olympia with his baby daughter (also named Olympia) in tow.
And we've lost count of how many kids Coleman has.
Jackson's family was en masse at his swan song (at age 51) last year.
So, this whole thing about ignoring kids is a bit overblown.
Lee Haney retired by age 31 ! and by the time he was 35 he wasn't juicing/ripped 260 lbs etc.
Completely Opposite of King Coleman; who has been crippled for a over a decade and not
being able to give his children a functional quality time father .... As far as I know Coleman suffers from high blood pressure ever since he was a competitive bber
and by the thickness of his veins you can tell he's still juicing in to his fucking 50's despite the amount of nerve damages and all surgeries done ..... he can literally drop dead any minute .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Piana
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I don't know what he weighed exactly but he did come down in weight. According to him he adjusted the food and protein intake downwards. What should he have done? Starve himself, completely stopped exercising and gone hypogonadal on top?
After the first heart warning? Maybe go get another damn hobby ?
now his kid will be with no dad wondering if having a muscular dad for a while was fair for him .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEE
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and by the thickness of his veins you can tell he's still juicing in to his fucking 50's despite the amount of nerve damages and all surgeries done ..... he can literally drop dead any minute .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Piana
Imagine what he would look and feel like if he wasn't still juicing. Juice is probably keeping him alive :D
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there are a lot of men who believe they "are on top of it"
by being married, eating well, working out, having a decent job - maybe your mom and sister say you look good - you have some "friends"
but you get uptight when some guy who's rocked up and single comes along - arms look massive, all you can think about is how your WIFE would be staring at this guy - you'd have to "break it down" with your supreme life knowledge and say "steroids" - but it makes you sour cause u just can't write him off
but he's an "addict" and youre a badass at life because your drink alcohol and goto work everyday - go compete , go get into a violent fight with a man you don't know - clean the teeth, blood - whole diff perspective and your sorry ass will never raise to that level
just keep getting off on your 'college experience" and stare at your bank account but there's a reason you post on this board and seek out large men - just don't tell your wife
you're funny
Imagine being "uptight" or jealous every time your wife stares at a muscle man lol ...
That's what Joe Weider publications used to sell back in the 70's to get teenagers 'impressed" ;D
But then you grow up I guess
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH Stay golden
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The original post is about bodybuilders who have kids and the choices they make. You have gone off on a tangent. Are you feeling guilty about something?
Exactly, but somehow reminded me my teenage years ;D .... we were naive enough to think muscle man will get all the girls
funny post
TA NA KA
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I agree with you.
A lot of anti-drug people on this board. I just ignore them, if they don't like what i do i could care less.
They have never tried most drugs either, they just feel the need to tell people things, like a parent.
Doing LSD a few times or DMT will not hurt you. And it absolutely can change your perspective on life.
I've done a lot of drugs in my life, but always with limits, not regularly. And i can promise you my perspective and attitude on life has changed due to some experiences i've had.
A few years ago i changed my life completely and have become the Zen master. My life is amazing, every day is like vacation. I don't even know what stress is anymore.
What i've learned is to not take people seriously. There are many people who want to bring you down just because they disagree with you or were raised differently.
Do what you want, it's your life.
If someone wants to juice themselves into an early grave, it's none of my business. If they have kids that sucks, but people will never change their minds because a bunch of random dudes tell them too.
Not this topic buddy ..
Like I said. guys who keep juicing over 40 and then having a sudden passing if they did not have any kids I will totally respect, support and even celebrate their choice it takes guts and a huge amount of desire .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Some think taking 200mg of Test a week is going to kill you. ;D
Walking around with superhuman levels of test at 40-50 will definitely speed up your journey to the afterlife.
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Imagine what he would look and feel like if he wasn't still juicing. Juice is probably keeping him alive :D
Sad but true
WoooSHHHHHHHHh bodybuilding is the muscle
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Not this topic buddy ..
Like I said. guys who keep juicing over 40 and then having a sudden passing if they did not have any kids I will totally respect, support and even celebrate their choice it takes guts and a huge amount of desire .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Honestly why do you care?
Do they need your respect? ;D
They had kids, big fucking deal man.
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Walking around with superhuman levels of test at 40-50 will definitely speed up your journey to the afterlife.
If there was an afterlife. ;D
It will not kill you anymore than eating a cheeseburger will.
Yes over a period of 5-10 years it "may" cause health problems.
As will just about anything you consume.
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Doing LSD a few times or DMT will not hurt you. And it absolutely can change your perspective on life.
I still haven't tried psychedelics. Simply because I'm afraid it might send me to hell for 12 hours :D
Some people I listen to have recommended taking a "heroic dose" of shrooms and sitting in a dark room by yourself as the best way. These guys say it's possibly life changing in a positive sense. How would you go about it if it was your first time?
Anyone else? Spike?
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I still haven't tried psychedelics. Simply because I'm afraid it might send me to hell for 12 hours :D
Some people I listen to have recommended taking a "heroic dose" of shrooms and sitting in a dark room by yourself as the best way. These guys say it's possibly life changing in a positive sense. How would you go about it if it was your first time?
Anyone else? Spike?
DMT you need someone there to guide you. There are Shaman that specialize in helping you. Come to New Mexico and i'll hook you up.
DMT can literally send you to hell. I've only done it twice and it was an amazing experience. Imagine experiencing your entire life from a 3rd point of view. It's wild and will make you change things about yourself.
With LSD or shrooms, you want someone there who has done it before to watch after you. The first trip can make people a little wild and do stupid things. My first few trips were with friends.
You want to be somewhere safe and where you will not be bothered. Do not do them in public or in a place where sober people will randomly appear. Be alone in a house, nice and dark. Or maybe out in the woods. But beware things are going to look and feel different. Everyone responds a little different to their first trip.
After a few trips you can do it anywhere. We used to go to my friends ranch in Texas and drive around on 4-wheelers all night. Look at the stars. Start a fire and just chill.
Don't do anything dangerous and do not try to drive a car. Your motor skills will be fine, but your timeframe of existence will be distorted. You might think it's been 3 minutes and it's been 30.
Stay hydrated and be with people who care about you. It can be an emotional experience. But generally, you will see things differently and feel things WAY differently. Go roll around in the grass like a dog for 30 minutes. Fall in love with a music album from years passed. It can be different for everyone.
Some people like myself have seen things, weird things. People morph into animals and walls disappear. I watched my friend turn into Marilyn Manson and it was as real as anything. Was at an apartment and could see through the walls to the outside area with perfect precision. Weird shit.
Walked out side my friends house during the day and everything looked like a cartoon, like in that Roger Rabbit movie. It was wild.
It is very fun, but some people can have a bad trip. You need to be in a good place mentally and with good people.
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DMT you need someone there to guide you. There are Shaman that specialize in helping you. Come to New Mexico and i'll hook you up.
DMT can literally send you to hell. I've only done it twice and it was an amazing experience. Imagine experiencing your entire life from a 3rd point of view. It's wild and will make you change things about yourself.
With LSD or shrooms, you want someone there who has done it before to watch after you. The first trip can make people a little wild and do stupid things. My first few trips were with friends.
You want to be somewhere safe and where you will not be bothered. Do not do them in public or in a place where sober people will randomly appear. Be alone in a house, nice and dark. Or maybe out in the woods. But beware things are going to look and feel different. Everyone responds a little different to their first trip.
After a few trips you can do it anywhere. We used to go to my friends ranch in Texas and drive around on 4-wheelers all night. Look at the stars. Start a fire and just chill.
Don't do anything dangerous and do not try to drive a car. Your motor skills will be fine, but your timeframe of existence will be distorted. You might think it's been 3 minutes and it's been 30.
Stay hydrated and be with people who care about you. It can be an emotional experience. But generally, you will see things differently and feel things WAY differently. Go roll around in the grass like a dog for 30 minutes. Fall in love with a music album from years passed. It can be different for everyone.
Some people like myself have seen things, weird things. People morph into animals and walls disappear. I watched my friend turn into Marilyn Manson and it was as real as anything. Was at an apartment and could see through the walls to the outside area with perfect precision. Weird shit.
Walked out side my friends house during the day and everything looked like a cartoon, like in that Roger Rabbit movie. It was wild.
It is very fun, but some people can have a bad trip. You need to be in a good place mentally and with good people.
Thanks. Would be hard to find a good sitter though, don't really know any trippers. My brother's 18 year old son said he did LSD. No way would I trust a child like that to keep watch. :D
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WOULD TRT be considered "juicing" for men over 40, 50?....
Depends on the dose. When bodybuilders say they are on TRT it isn't the dose the regular Joe takes. It's code for I'm still taking a boat load of test but it pales in comparison of what I took in my juicing era.
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I agree with you.
A lot of anti-drug people on this board. I just ignore them, if they don't like what i do i could care less.
They have never tried most drugs either, they just feel the need to tell people things, like a parent.
Doing LSD a few times or DMT will not hurt you. And it absolutely can change your perspective on life.
I've done a lot of drugs in my life, but always with limits, not regularly. And i can promise you my perspective and attitude on life has changed due to some experiences i've had.
A few years ago i changed my life completely and have become the Zen master. My life is amazing, every day is like vacation. I don't even know what stress is anymore.
What i've learned is to not take people seriously. There are many people who want to bring you down just because they disagree with you or were raised differently.
Do what you want, it's your life.
If someone wants to juice themselves into an early grave, it's none of my business. If they have kids that sucks, but people will never change their minds because a bunch of random dudes tell them too.
LSD will give you a permanent change of perception. Some just may not realize it. Happy to have done it the few times I did as well as shrooms. Wouldn’t consider doing those mind bending drug again.
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I still haven't tried psychedelics. Simply because I'm afraid it might send me to hell for 12 hours :D
Some people I listen to have recommended taking a "heroic dose" of shrooms and sitting in a dark room by yourself as the best way. These guys say it's possibly life changing in a positive sense. How would you go about it if it was your first time?
Anyone else? Spike?
it's not like you see on tv, you're in full control the time, it's kinda like having those flip sunglasses, you have the ability to turn it off and on. obviously not with a heroic dose.
The same way roids wont turn you into an asshole unless you're already one, a dose of shrooms wont send you over the edge as long as you dont have existing mental issue
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Thanks. Would be hard to find a good sitter though, don't really know any trippers. My brother's 18 year old son said he did LSD. No way would I trust a child like that to keep watch. :D
you can always take a trip to costa rica or mexico, but if you live anywhere on the coasts you can prob find a doctor's office doing some sort of psychedelic therapy
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Brutal if true
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There is an old drug saying from the Timothy Leary days "Once you get in the room, close the door behind you". What it means is that the mind works by reinforcement. If you expand the mind, then stop the drugs or you will reinforce the drug, not the mind expansion. The Beatles did it perfectly, going from "She Loves You" with suits and ties to Sgt. Pepper where they kept their wits and skills but just got in the room and took culture with them, drugs or not. Mike Tyson is a perfect example of the opposite, he is overdoing the psychedelic's, or "the toad" as he calls it, and combined with constant marijuana use, he now babbles on about "you need to die to really be alive", and pseudo-intellectual bullshit that really has no relevance to one's life. But if you go into the experience with a purpose, it can be life changing. I did an ayahuasca ceremony while living in Mexico with a traditional shaman, and all participants went around the room before we took the drug and had to say our "proposito", which in Spanish means our goal/purpose from the experience. Have a point to what you do in life, whether mind altering drugs, anabolic drugs, or any other action.
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Embarrassing meltdown tbh. Thoughts & prayers to him :'(
Yeah, I like his posts and life story but this one was a meltdown on a tangent outside of the thread intention.
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Most people in their 40's don't consider death regardless of lifestyle.
In regards to men:
In their 20’s men think they’re invincible
In their 30’s men don’t care
In their 40’s men don’t want to know
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it's not like you see on tv, you're in full control the time, it's kinda like having those flip sunglasses, you have the ability to turn it off and on. obviously not with a heroic dose.
The same way roids wont turn you into an asshole unless you're already one, a dose of shrooms wont send you over the edge as long as you dont have existing mental issue
Maybe with a very small dose.
Like a micro dose.
I've seen people lose their minds on 2 hits of LSD. Saw a young girl have a seizure.
You are in control, but your mental state is not normal and you do not function the same way. It's not like drinking a 12 pack, but you are very altered and simple things become mesmerizing. I watched my brother light a dozen cigarettes and just let them burn out over time in his hand, not smoking one of them. He was too busy talking to me about random things.
My friend drove us to the store to get drinks, we sat at a stoplight for almost 15 minutes, wondering why it never turned green. We were too busy listening to music to notice it changed.
Also, if several people are tripping, you may experience things together, without knowing it. We were sitting by a fire and i saw this amber raise out of the fire and float away like an angel. I looked at my friend and we both said at the same time "did you see that angel".
It's a trip. But worth it IMO.
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LSD will give you a permanent change of perception. Some just may not realize it. Happy to have done it the few times I did as well as shrooms. Wouldn’t consider doing those mind bending drug again.
I haven't done it in 12 years.
I'd never do it today.
My mind is not ready to accept it.
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Maybe with a very small dose.
Like a micro dose.
I've seen people lose their minds on 2 hits of LSD. Saw a young girl have a seizure.
You are in control, but your mental state is not normal and you do not function the same way. It's not like drinking a 12 pack, but you are very altered and simple things become mesmerizing. I watched my brother light a dozen cigarettes and just let them burn out over time in his hand, not smoking one of them. He was too busy talking to me about random things.
My friend drove us to the store to get drinks, we sat at a stoplight for almost 15 minutes, wondering why it never turned green. We were too busy listening to music to notice it changed.
Also, if several people are tripping, you may experience things together, without knowing it. We were sitting by a fire and i saw this amber raise out of the fire and float away like an angel. I looked at my friend and we both said at the same time "did you see that angel".
It's a trip. But worth it IMO.
I got it, I've been to burning man multiple times lol, I've never seen anyone have a seizure from acid that's not the norm
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Honestly why do you care?
Do they need your respect? ;D
They had kids, big fucking deal man.
why do I care ? I think dying of a heart attack "in this industry" is something worth talking about ,
Honestly, I feel sympathy for their kids , not that they (need it) but it sucks to be left with no dad for such stupid reasons ..
Obviously for a lot of bodybuilders (like yourself) having kids and pushing the Bodybuilding life style after 40 is not a fucking big deal ...
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH quarter turn to the right LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEE
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it's not like you see on tv, you're in full control the time, it's kinda like having those flip sunglasses, you have the ability to turn it off and on. obviously not with a heroic dose.
The same way roids wont turn you into an asshole unless you're already one, a dose of shrooms wont send you over the edge as long as you dont have existing mental issue
But I have mental issues. It's why I'm considering psychedelics :D Some claim they cured their depression with these drugs.
Losing control generally scares me. Or getting high and not realising I'm on drugs and it's the drug that causes all these weird effects :D But mostly I'm scared of panicking. I love weed but even weed has put me right on the edge of a real panic attack. I don't think most people realise what kind of fear, the intensity of it, the mind is able to experience in certain situations
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But I have mental issues. It's why I'm considering psychedelics :D Some claim they cured their depression with these drugs.
If you ever did any acid or mescaline,you woud realize just how fucking dumb the above 3 sentences are.
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I got it, I've been to burning man multiple times lol, I've never seen anyone have a seizure from acid that's not the norm
So have i.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what you stated is consistent with a very low dose of shrooms.
Acid is very different.
Shrooms seem to be more forgiving since it's a natural substance.
On acid i've seen several people lose their shit, people i knew very well who were not mentally unstable.
Not everyone is ready for it.
But again, most of my trips were 2-3 hits of acid or 5-6 grams of shrooms, sometimes more. Not quite a heroic dose but enough to really mess you up.
Also we used to candy flip with acid and x. Crazy times.
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There is an old drug saying from the Timothy Leary days "Once you get in the room, close the door behind you". What it means is that the mind works by reinforcement. If you expand the mind, then stop the drugs or you will reinforce the drug, not the mind expansion. The Beatles did it perfectly, going from "She Loves You" with suits and ties to Sgt. Pepper where they kept their wits and skills but just got in the room and took culture with them, drugs or not. Mike Tyson is a perfect example of the opposite, he is overdoing the psychedelic's, or "the toad" as he calls it, and combined with constant marijuana use, he now babbles on about "you need to die to really be alive", and pseudo-intellectual bullshit that really has no relevance to one's life. But if you go into the experience with a purpose, it can be life changing. I did an ayahuasca ceremony while living in Mexico with a traditional shaman, and all participants went around the room before we took the drug and had to say our "proposito", which in Spanish means our goal/purpose from the experience. Have a point to what you do in life, whether mind altering drugs, anabolic drugs, or any other action.
Sounds like "pseudo-intellectual bullshit". ^
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Maybe with a very small dose.
Like a micro dose.
I've seen people lose their minds on 2 hits of LSD. Saw a young girl have a seizure.
You are in control, but your mental state is not normal and you do not function the same way. It's not like drinking a 12 pack, but you are very altered and simple things become mesmerizing. I watched my brother light a dozen cigarettes and just let them burn out over time in his hand, not smoking one of them. He was too busy talking to me about random things.
My friend drove us to the store to get drinks, we sat at a stoplight for almost 15 minutes, wondering why it never turned green. We were too busy listening to music to notice it changed.
Also, if several people are tripping, you may experience things together, without knowing it. We were sitting by a fire and i saw this amber raise out of the fire and float away like an angel. I looked at my friend and we both said at the same time "did you see that angel".
It's a trip. But worth it IMO.
That's really interesting!
One of the issues I see with the psychedelic experience is how you integrate the experience back into reality. Having someone confirm what would otherwise be considered a hallucination complicates things. Your experience there really brings into question what is actually going on in the psychedelic experience and I don't think empiricism or scientific thought can explain this. At least in some parts of the world you have shamans who can guide and explain the experiences to some extent.
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Sounds like "pseudo-intellectual bullshit". ^
LOl...that's pretty good. But if you want to go into some extreme part of your mind/body/soul through the use of drugs, then you should have a reason for doing so. Otherwise you're just another drug addict. It's like taking 2 grams of test and deca per week and sitting on the couch eating potato chips and never lifting weights or working out. You should have a point for using some sort of mind and/or body altering substance. That's not pseudo-intellectual bullshit it's fact and called living with purpose.
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That's really interesting!
One of the issues I see with the psychedelic experience is how you integrate the experience back into reality. Having someone confirm what would otherwise be considered a hallucination complicates things. Your experience there really brings into question what is actually going on in the psychedelic experience and I don't think empiricism or scientific thought can explain this. At least in some parts of the world you have shamans who can guide and explain the experiences to some extent.
Yeah i did the Shaman thing on DMT. It's a life changing experience.
But yes on psychedelic drugs things happen that cannot be explained.
I have a dozen weird stories like these that are unexplainable. Things happening to people at the same time mentally that we never communicated. You see something wild and look over to your friend as he's looking at you and then you both mention the same occurrence. It happens a lot and it's not like watching a movie. I believe you are connected somehow.
It's a wild ass thing, that's why i believe it's worth it to try them if you are ready.
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If you ever did any acid or mescaline,you woud realize just how fucking dumb the above 3 sentences are.
Well, to keep it bodybuilding related, Dorian said he was clinically depressed after his bodybuilding career. He said psychedelics changed everything for the better. Even made him reduce/stop his use of recreational drugs. Many claim psychedelics helped them stop heavy rec drugs such as opiates.
There are tons and tons of similar accounts. And the guys who do psychedelics to "improve themselves" must feel something isn't right or satisfactory in their lives or they wouldn't go looking for these experiences. Why would you, if everything was fine?
Add to that the fact that psychedelics like psilocybin are used in US psych hospitals currently in experimental trials supposedly to good effect. For depression, for fear of death in the terminally ill and so on.
But I've never done them so can't speak on it personally.
Yeah i did the Shaman thing on DMT. It's a life changing experience.
People such as Joe Rogan talk about smoking DMT without any shaman. To me DMT sounds more attractive than LSD in that it's supposedly only a 15 minute trip compared to like 12 hours with acid.
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I did LSD 5 times btw the age of 18-19. Took two hits all five times. 1st time was with guys who had vast experience. Other 4 times was with different pals. Each trip was incredible. The 1st was like nothing before or since. It definitely changed me. LOL. Don't think I'd ever do it again. Although my brother will probably get me to do mushrooms with him one of these days. I'm more than content using edibles for my weekend escape.
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I did LSD 5 times btw the age of 18-19. Took two hits all five times. 1st time was with guys who had vast experience. Other 4 times was with different pals. Each trip was incredible. The 1st was like nothing before or since. It definitely changed me. LOL. Don't think I'd ever do it again. Although my brother will probably get me to do mushrooms with him one of these days. I'm more than content using edibles for my weekend escape.
You're frying your brain
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People such as Joe Rogan talk about smoking DMT without any shaman. To me DMT sounds more attractive than LSD in that it's supposedly only a 15 minute trip compared to like 12 hours with acid.
You can do it alone, but the Shaman set your mind to be where it needs to be before and after the experience, which helps you have a better time and reduce the chances of a bad one. My two attempts lasted about 20-30 minutes and it felt like hours.
To have the proper trip you need to have your head right.
DMT is hard to explain. Like i said earlier it's like you see your entire life from a 3rd person. You will make changes in your life. It makes you realize how silly things are and how you do have control over yourself.
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You're frying your brain
Not anymore than the alcohol you drink weekly.
Bro.
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I didn't get much utility from DMT, the trips are too short and intense to gain any insight. LSD is great stuff. Mushrooms are more of a "fun" drug imo, I just laugh and laugh
Probably tripped about 50 times, for those who are hesitant you can ease into it. 0.5-1g of mushrooms is a threshold dose, not enough to lose control, try that and see how it does ya 8)
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But I have mental issues. It's why I'm considering psychedelics :D Some claim they cured their depression with these drugs.
Losing control generally scares me. Or getting high and not realising I'm on drugs and it's the drug that causes all these weird effects :D But mostly I'm scared of panicking. I love weed but even weed has put me right on the edge of a real panic attack. I don't think most people realise what kind of fear, the intensity of it, the mind is able to experience in certain situations
my brother in law has some crazy ptsd from combat, he grows mushrooms and micro doses them. i think the american military is doing shit with ketamine and mushrooms now for therapy, you prob want to consult a proper physician before you start dosing at home though. I will microdose shrooms when work gets overwhelming for focus, kinda the way people use adderall
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So have i.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what you stated is consistent with a very low dose of shrooms.
Acid is very different.
Shrooms seem to be more forgiving since it's a natural substance.
On acid i've seen several people lose their shit, people i knew very well who were not mentally unstable.
Not everyone is ready for it.
But again, most of my trips were 2-3 hits of acid or 5-6 grams of shrooms, sometimes more. Not quite a heroic dose but enough to really mess you up.
Also we used to candy flip with acid and x. Crazy times.
candy flipping is my fav experience, it's hard to find clean x these days, it's just so speedy
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Well, to keep it bodybuilding related, Dorian said he was clinically depressed after his bodybuilding career. He said psychedelics changed everything for the better. Even made him reduce/stop his use of recreational drugs. Many claim psychedelics helped them stop heavy rec drugs such as opiates.
There are tons and tons of similar accounts. And the guys who do psychedelics to "improve themselves" must feel something isn't right or satisfactory in their lives or they wouldn't go looking for these experiences. Why would you, if everything was fine?
Add to that the fact that psychedelics like psilocybin are used in US psych hospitals currently in experimental trials supposedly to good effect. For depression, for fear of death in the terminally ill and so on.
But I've never done them so can't speak on it personally.
People such as Joe Rogan talk about smoking DMT without any shaman. To me DMT sounds more attractive than LSD in that it's supposedly only a 15 minute trip compared to like 12 hours with acid.
i didn't start taking psychedelics to improve my life, i took them because i wanted to see shiny shit. Did you start lifting weights thinking it would improve your life? or did you want big muscles to get big titty bitches?
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Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.
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i didn't start taking psychedelics to improve my life, i took them because i wanted to see shiny shit. Did you start lifting weights thinking it would improve your life? or did you want big muscles to get big titty bitches?
I was bitten by the iron bug at 9 years old. I saw some bodybuilders in a magazine and was like "holy shit!" Then I started doing home workouts, pushups, handstand pushups, used that spring thingy you bend, the "bullworker" etc. They wouldn't let me into the gym back then :D So bodybuilding was never associated with sex in my mind, I fell in love with training for its own sake.
Yeah I'm sure many take psychedelics just because they heard it's a rad experience. Young kids. But I'm an old man at this point :D
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my brother in law has some crazy ptsd from combat, he grows mushrooms and micro doses them. i think the american military is doing shit with ketamine and mushrooms now for therapy, you prob want to consult a proper physician before you start dosing at home though. I will microdose shrooms when work gets overwhelming for focus, kinda the way people use adderall
How much do you take for a micro dose? I’ve fooled around w it but found the effects too unpredictable for getting work done. Went into an important business meeting tripping pretty hard and couldn’t do much but focus on acting normal lololol
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candy flipping is my fav experience, it's hard to find clean x these days, it's just so speedy
Yeah, it has changed a lot. Back when i first did it i had some amazing times with it.
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Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.
Send a message to hanky. ;D
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Lee Haney retired by age 31 ! and by the time he was 35 he wasn't juicing/ripped 260 lbs etc.
Completely Opposite of King Coleman; who has been crippled for a over a decade and not
being able to give his children a functional quality time father .... As far as I know Coleman suffers from high blood pressure ever since he was a competitive bber
and by the thickness of his veins you can tell he's still juicing in to his fucking 50's despite the amount of nerve damages and all surgeries done ..... he can literally drop dead any minute .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Piana
Not necessarily so. Many of Coleman's kids are already grown and were teens during his Olympia heyday. So, there's nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a good father tho them.
What's the use of being a ripped 260, kids or no kids, if you kick the bucket before you hit 50 as a result?
And outside the Olympia winners, there were plenty of guys in their 40s with kids who competed and are alive and well today (i.e. James, Taylor, Freeman, J. Jackson, Warren, etc.).
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yes... much better to go on a starvation diet and be a twink
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at the end of the day most bb's are insecure little men, they have no sense of worth without their show muscles
Really !!! And does that bother you ???
Same could be said for many other people be they body builders or not their self worth is tied up in their job ? title / sport.
So Fucking What.
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Really !!! And does that bother you ???
Same could be said for many other people be they body builders or not their self worth is tied up in their job ? title / sport.
So Fucking What.
The “so what” is your average engineer, physician, math professor, or account executive in corporate America is not keeling over from juicing too much over 40 because they need to feel big all the time. ::)
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Really !!! And does that bother you ???
Same could be said for many other people be they body builders or not their self worth is tied up in their job ? title / sport.
So Fucking What.
oh not at all, i think it's funny. I've never been a fan of bb, i've never seen a show, i've never lusted over a thong warrior. This shit hella gay to me. I just said why people cant quit
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yes... much better to go on a starvation diet and be a twink
That old guy actually has a great body. No homo
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yes... much better to go on a starvation diet and be a twink
skinny weak ripped old
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skinny weak ripped old
He's stronger than big dead guys.
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He's stronger than big dead guys.
Excellent point !!!
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He's stronger than big dead guys.
OUCH
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3 more passed away last week
They all appeared to be in their 40's to mid 50's
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3 more passed away last week
They all appeared to be in their 40's to mid 50's
it's gonna be hard to jerk off to rhonda lee's old porn.. not impossible, just i might let some time pass out of respect.
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Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.
Exactly, these guys here are impossible… no wonder Palumbo thinks of this site as a sewer.
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Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.
Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health
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Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health
has it improved your health?
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I think using Meadows as an example of someone who said "fuck my kids" is possibly a bit misguided. He continued with HRT, was at 100mg and 200mg IIRC. No GH. It is not completely certain that going to zero test would have extended his life. He did consult with doctors. Of course you could argue that you will find the docs that let you do and take what you want. But still.
I am 44 and still juice. It is not healthy but I'm not "done" yet.
Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.
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has it improved your health?
He is cool,,good listen,,
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Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.
I fucked up my heart. Possibly why I wound up on a ventilator from both swine flu and Covid. I have left ventricular hypertrophy but now my scans and labs are almost normal. Actually all the labs are normal, my ejection fraction could be a little higher. Bodybuilders used to worry about the liver but the bigger worry is the heart and the kidneys especially. Meadows himself predicted a lot of kidney failures coming up due to the massive tren dosages taken today.
But genes do play a huge role. A professor endo told me that "only" about 30% of heavy juicers get heart hypertrophy. I have a training partner that is 58 and his baseline test dose is 1 gram and he has recently done things like take Anadrol for a year straight or do 3 grams total per week. It's not healthy but he has juiced since 20 and is still standing. I think many will be fine with moderate juicing especially if they aren't real heavy. You can also take precautions like checking you heart every now and then.
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Did you notice any symptoms of left ventricular hypertrophy before you were diagnosed? I actually know of 2 people with the same diagnosis, both say it was from deca and tren usage.
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Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health
Frank Zane says that after 40 you should really stay away from that stuff...... he is 80
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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it's gonna be hard to jerk off to rhonda lee's old porn.. not impossible, just i might let some time pass out of respect.
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Dorian's balls probably fell off so he needs to take test.
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Dorian's balls probably fell off so he needs to take test.
What are your levels do you even know? You are getting up there in age you should know
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at the end of the day most bb's are insecure little men, they have no sense of worth without their show muscles
Bro...
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What are your levels do you even know? You are getting up there in age you should know
My dick gets hard like iron so that's all I need to know.
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Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.
You never know what is going on inside them.
I imagine Jay isn't going to live long, but you never know.
I've been juicing off and on for 18 years. Been having bloodwork done for 15 years. I have no negative side effects today. But when i was juicing hard 10 years ago my bloodwork was a mess.
Like Van said a lot of this boils down to genetics. I have longevity and health on both sides of my family. All of my grandparents and great-grandparents lived to 90+.
But we never know what is going to happen.
The biggest factor for my health today is my bodyweight. Once i get up to around 230 pounds everything changes. That's why i never go over 220. Also eating a lot of fruits and veggies every single day and exercising 3-4 days a week.
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Did you notice any symptoms of left ventricular hypertrophy before you were diagnosed? I actually know of 2 people with the same diagnosis, both say it was from deca and tren usage.
Not other than poor endurance. Like all my adult life I've never tolerated high rep weightlifting well, feels like I'm dying. I don't know if that signifies a "weak" heart. All my life my pulse has been high as well, but my brother and mother both have a high pulse so I'm thinking part genes there as well. The LVH happens to most juicers I think to some degree and GH worsens it. I think most steroids can cause it, testosterone for sure. I mean why wouldn't grams of test do it? Same with kidneys, tren is seen as particularly bad but all anabolics stress the kidneys.
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Not other than poor endurance. Like all my adult life I've never tolerated high rep weightlifting well, feels like I'm dying. I don't know if that signifies a "weak" heart. All my life my pulse has been high as well, but my brother and mother both have a high pulse so I'm thinking part genes there as well. The LVH happens to most juicers I think to some degree and GH worsens it. I think most steroids can cause it, testosterone for sure. I mean why wouldn't grams of test do it? Same with kidneys, tren is seen as particularly bad but all anabolics stress the kidneys.
LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.
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LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.
Interesting theory. I've been lifting for 30 years, am also an endurance athlete, (bicycle racing) and clean. I'm waiting for the LVH to kick in, lol.
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LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.
It's well known steroids worsen LVH adaptation, often into the "danger zone." Palumbo has LVH and he says it has come down a bit but not completely.
Interesting theory. I've been lifting for 30 years, am also an endurance athlete, (bicycle racing) and clean. I'm waiting for the LVH to kick in, lol.
You probably have some but if you've not been on steroids it's not to a dangerous degree. It's thought that particularly the valsalva maneuver during heavy lifting causes LVH.
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It's well known steroids worsen LVH adaptation, often into the "danger zone." Palumbo has LVH and he says it has come down a bit but not completely.
You probably have some but if you've not been on steroids it's not to a dangerous degree. It's thought that particularly the valsalva maneuver during heavy lifting causes LVH.
Yes- you can have LVH and be perfectly healthy. The distinction between LVHs is pathological hypertrophy and physiologic hypertrophy (Athlete's heart) . Since my VO2 max has been measured at 63 ml/kg/min I can safely say I fall into the latter category...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22495644/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22495644/)
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has it improved your health?
I am living on sunshine and air and I feel like a million bucks getting over my cold and ready to tackle a bus tomorrow let me check yep still jacked
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Uh, what is LVH?
and it's been mentioned before but TRT for a man over 40, over 50 is NOT really juicing and legit safe?...
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Uh, what is LVH?
and it's been mentioned before but TRT for a man over 40, over 50 is NOT really juicing and legit safe?...
Left ventricle hypertrophy, thickening of heart wall or something like that.
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Bhank only uses an approved juicer,gets his fruit and veggie smoothies full of nutrients to refill and creat that cocoon of nutrients that fuels him.
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You never know what is going on inside them.
I imagine Jay isn't going to live long, but you never know.
I've been juicing off and on for 18 years. Been having bloodwork done for 15 years. I have no negative side effects today. But when i was juicing hard 10 years ago my bloodwork was a mess.
Like Van said a lot of this boils down to genetics. I have longevity and health on both sides of my family. All of my grandparents and great-grandparents lived to 90+.
But we never know what is going to happen.
The biggest factor for my health today is my bodyweight. Once i get up to around 230 pounds everything changes. That's why i never go over 220. Also eating a lot of fruits and veggies every single day and exercising 3-4 days a week.
One of the biggest mainstream dietary lies is that we need to eat vegetables and that they are healthy
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Bhank only uses an approved juicer,gets his fruit and veggie smoothies full of nutrients to refill and creat that cocoon of nutrients that fuels him.
smoothies are for vegans and f@ggots
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One of the biggest mainstream dietary lies is that we need to eat vegetables and that they are healthy
Truth. Same with fiber.
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Walking around with superhuman levels of test at 40-50 will definitely speed up your journey to the afterlife.
It’s definitely fckn up the life of one of my dads 86 year old friends. I am scared to death that he won’t make it to 110. Fck the fact that he can still train and actually rides his bicycle and says he feels better. He is taking about 250 mg test / week (I cannot be sure but I know up until 4-5 years ago he would go to 350-400/ week 2-3 times a year for a month or so. He ran much higher doses (relatively - like maybe a gram or so total) back 25-30 years ago and I remember him being freaking jacked. I’d be willing to bet my nutsack that right now at 86 he looks, feels, and performs better than every guy on here bashing him.
Nothing personal at all oldtimer. I might be older than you. I just know he takes only one medicine (I am not sure what) and he has been religious with his diet, cardio, supplementation (vitmanins & minerals) etc….
Personally I want everyone to kick ass and win, look incredible etc..
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Uh, what is LVH?
and it's been mentioned before but TRT for a man over 40, over 50 is NOT really juicing and legit safe?...
(https://healthjade.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/left-ventricular-hypertrophy.jpg)
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It’s definitely fckn up the life of one of my dads 86 year old friends. I am scared to death that he won’t make it to 110. Fck the fact that he can still train and actually rides his bicycle and says he feels better. He is taking about 250 mg test / week (I cannot be sure but I know up until 4-5 years ago he would go to 350-400/ week 2-3 times a year for a month or so. He ran much higher doses (relatively - like maybe a gram or so total) back 25-30 years ago and I remember him being freaking jacked. I’d be willing to bet my nutsack that right now at 86 he looks, feels, and performs better than every guy on here bashing him.
Nothing personal at all oldtimer. I might be older than you. I just know he takes only one medicine (I am not sure what) and he has been religious with his diet, cardio, supplementation (vitmanins & minerals) etc….
Personally I want everyone to kick ass and win, look incredible etc..
Those years from 90 to 110 are the prime years.
I think this man you post about is being selfish to risk leaving his children fatherless.
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Bhank only uses an approved juicer,gets his fruit and veggie smoothies full of nutrients to refill and creat that cocoon of nutrients that fuels him.
Where did this nutrient cocoon term come from? Sounds like some sort of mystical 24 hour anabolic window. I see Hulkotron has it under his avatar. I think I’m going to work it into my daily vocabulary while dishing out nutrition advices to tiny tits.
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(https://healthjade.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/left-ventricular-hypertrophy.jpg)
It's worth noting that the left ventricular hypertrophic regression (shrinking) can occur with weight loss.
"We conclude that weight reduction decreases left ventricular mass in overweight hypertensive patients and that control of obesity is important not only for the treatment of hypertension but also for the prevention of left ventricular hypertrophy. (N Engl J Med 1986; 314:334–9.)"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198602063140602
https://www.bmj.com/content/315/7113/912.full.pdf+html
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One of the biggest mainstream dietary lies is that we need to eat vegetables and that they are healthy
I can only say since I’ve been eating lots of fruit and veggies I feel so much better. How come you say this?
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I can only say since I’ve been eating lots of fruit and veggies I feel so much better. How come you say this?
No conclusive studies.
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I can only say since I’ve been eating lots of fruit and veggies I feel so much better. How come you say this?
Fruit is somewhat okay if you don't overdue it. It at least provides some energy. Other than that, there's barely any health benefit. The veggies are even worse. The bioavailybility of the vitamins, minerals, protein, omega3's etc. is pathetic compared to animal sources. Seeds are the worst. Besides, plants are packed with antinutrients to protect themselves from being eaten/digested. Those can wreac havoc on your gut, prevent nutrients form other food s being absorbed and cause autoimmune diseases.
Plants don't want to be eaten but since they have no legs to escape they fight back with chemistry. Spinnach for example is high in oxalates that are known for causing kidney stones. The carnivore community has lots of information on plant toxicity. Look it up wjhen u get the chance. I'm not carnivore though but have eliminated all vegetables from my diet since 2020. A tomato sauce her and there doesn't hurt but other than that no tnx. Even children are wired not to like vegetables.
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Truth. Same with fiber.
indeed
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Those years from 90 to 110 are the prime years.
I think this man you post about is being selfish to risk leaving his great-great-grandchildren great-great-grandfather fatherless.
Just went ahead and fixed that for you ;D
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Just went ahead and fixed that for you ;D
Taffy funny!
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I can only say since I’ve been eating lots of fruit and veggies I feel so much better. How come you say this?
Same here and my bloodwork is perfect since i started eating more of them.
What these others are saying is that fruits and veggies are not the best or only way to get the vitamins and minerals.
There are a lot of foods that have them and better sources.
The books i've read over the years are back and forth about the loss during digestion, there is no solid answer. Just a lot of theory.