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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: abz on August 17, 2007, 05:50:42 PM
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Below is a copy of the contract that a photographer asks models to sign. This is an agreement that prohibits girls from shooting with anyone else for 2 years. Please feel free to chime in with your thoughts/opinions of this practice (address and phone number has been deleted):
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MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT
This contract (the "Agreement") made and entered into this 6th day of July, 2007 (the "Execution Date"),
BETWEEN:
The Photographer (the "Manager")
OF THE FIRST PART
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(the "Model/Competitor")
OF THE SECOND PART
BACKGROUND:
A. The Model/competitor is known as __________; and
B. The Manager wishes to engage the Model/competitor and is willing to undertake to do so, subject to the terms and conditions as follows:
IN CONSIDERATION OF and as a condition of the Manager hiring the Model/competitor and other valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which consideration is acknowledged here, the parties to this Agreement agree as follows:
Business Address of the Model/competitor
1. Any payments by check or money order should be made out __________. The Model/competitor's business address is as follows:
Address:
Telephone:
Fax: ___________________
E-mail:
Business Address of the Manager
2. The Manager's business address is as follows:
Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Telephone: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fax: ___________________
E-mail: xxxxxxxxxxx
Venue
3. Can be at a show, hotel or house or any other area where photoshoots or booth work can be done.
Confidentiality
4. This agreement is confidential between the Manager and Model/competitor. Translators or people appointed by the Manager are able to involve themselves in these terms. If Model/competitor needs to discuss the contract with boyfriend/husband/fiancé or family they may do so. But please keep the details and terms between those people you talk to, friends and fellow competitors are not included.
5. Term of Contract
This agreement will last 2 years, Model/competitor is required to compete in at least one show every year or do a photoshoot with Manager at least twice per year.
6. Modeling
The entertainment to be provided by the Model/Competitor is generally described as modeling all styles she is comfortable shooting.
Date and Time of Modeling
7. It will involve photoshoots at either an event where the athlete competes or is attending or working a booth. Shoots will also be scheduled out of the competitive season in order to return the investment from the Manager. Model/Competitor is responsible in contacting Manager regarding future shows.
8. Exclusivity
By signing this form the Model/competitor is exclusive with photos and videos. This will limit doing photoshoots with members sites of any kind that are not part of the Manager’s network. Model/competitor can do photos for promotional work, print magazines or ads or free profiles in which she must include Manager. She must ask Manager/manager in order to get approval for any photoshoot or working with a company in any regard. Regarding photos and videos she will appear only on these member and webcam sites: www.muscletease.com and www.muscleteasecam.com
9. Cancellation
The Manager reserves the right to cancel this agreement if Model/competitor violates any of the clauses on this agreement.
10. Shooting Shape
As most of the return investment for the Manager are photos and videos the Model/competitor must be in good shape which is 5 lbs above contest shape without counting strict contest weight on stage.
11. Outfits for Booth Work and Photoshoot
The model will bring her own outfits and will wear some of the Manager outfits for photoshoots, might be thongs, lingerie, swimsuits, etc... As far as booth outfits she will wear only clothing with the Manager’s logo and name unless otherwise specified.
Force Majeure
12. Neither the Manager nor the Model/competitor will be held liable for any failure to perform its obligations under this Agreement where such breach is due to any of the following: acts or regulations of public authorities, labor difficulties or strike, inclement weather, epidemic, interruption or delay of transportation service, or any other legitimate cause beyond the reasonable control of the Model/competitor and the Manager.
Sickness and Accidents
13. The Model/competitor agrees to meet its obligations under this Agreement subject to legitimate incapacity by sickness or accident. Failure to meet its obligations under this section will result in the Model/competitor returning any and all outstanding deposits to the Manager.
Advertising
14. The Manager will be responsible for advertising the Model/competitor on hardfitness.com, muscletease.com, muscleteasecam.com and any other websites he decides are good for her image. Manager will advertise the Model/competitor appearances on his booth and any other pertinent events.
15. Name
The model/Model/competitor agrees that the Manager may use the Model/competitor's name, photographs, and other likenesses to promote the Performance. The Model/competitor will provide the Manager with copies of the Model/competitor's promotional materials suitable for this purpose. The Manager's right to use the Model/competitor's name is limited to the period beginning with the Execution Date and ending upon completion and cancellation of this Agreement.
16. Governing Law
The Manager and the Model/competitor submit to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of California for the enforcement of this Agreement or any arbitration award or decision arising from this Agreement. This Agreement will be enforced or construed according to the laws of the State of California.
17. Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing
The Manager and the Model/competitor agree to perform their obligations under this Agreement, in all respects, in good faith.
Additional Terms
18. Shooting Time and Webcam: As stipulated above shooting time will depend if Manager is available to shoot Model/competitor. If not then Manager can fly out Model/competitor at a different time of the year and fulfill the hours needed to return the money paid to the model. Additionally the Model/competitor is to perform on the webcam a few hours per month or appear at exclusive special shows at events she competes in.
19. House Rules and Behavior: If staying at a house or hotel room paid by the Manager, Model/competitor will be subjected to certain rules. First of all no disruptive behavior towards Manager, no excessive partying that will disrupt photoshoots next day or the same day, only the model will be at the house or hotel, if you have a loved one or friend that is not involved unless explicit authorization from the Manager they are not allowed in the same hotel/house. Trainers, translators or people that the Manager appoints are fine as their involvement is needed in the success of the Model/competitor event.
Miscellaneous Terms
20. This Agreement may be executed in counterparts. Facsimile signatures are binding and are considered to be original signatures.
21. The Model/competitor's representative warrants that by signing this Agreement it has the authority to bind the Model/competitor to the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
22. If any term, covenant, condition or provision of this Agreement is held by a court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, void or unenforceable, it is the parties' intent that such provision be reduced in scope by the court only to the extent deemed necessary by that court to render the provision reasonable and enforceable and the remainder of the provisions of this Agreement will in no way be affected, impaired or invalidated as a result.
23. This Agreement contains the entire agreement between the parties and cannot be changed except by written instrument subsequently executed by the parties to this Agreement. All negotiations and understandings have been included in this Agreement. Statements or representations which may have been made to the Manager by the Model/competitor or to the Model/competitor by the Manager, in the negotiation stages of this Agreement may in some way be inconsistent with this final written contract. All such statements are declared to be of no value in this Agreement. Only the written terms of this Agreement will bind the parties.
24. This Agreement and the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement apply to and are binding upon the Model/competitor's successors, assigns, executors, administrators, beneficiaries, and representatives, and the Manager's successors and assigns.
25. The Model/competitor specifically warrants and represents that all copyrighted material to be performed has been licensed or authorized by the copyright owners or their representatives. The Model/competitor indemnifies the Manager for any copyright infringement and any expenses that may result from such copyright infringement during or as the result of the Performance.
26. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that the Model/competitor is an independent contractor and will control the manner and means of the Performance. The Manager will control the scheduling of the Performance. The Model/competitor is not an employee of the Manager. The exclusive nature of this Agreement is limited to the duration of the contract. Model/competitor can renew after two years this contract.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Model/competitor and the Manager have duly affixed their signatures under hand on this 6th day of July, 2007.
per: _____________________
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* Crickets *
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This is being discussed on a number of other boards and I've had discussion with JC via email. My advice - JC is NOT a manager and any woman who signs this is limiting themselves. I'd strongly urge all women to never, ever sign a contract like this.
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This is being discussed on a number of other boards and I've had discussion with JC via email. My advice - JC is NOT a manager and any woman who signs this is limiting themselves. I'd strongly urge all women to never, ever sign a contract like this.
AMEN!!
Lena
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very limiting... unless he is sponsoring them and paying them not to shoot... but more shoots lead to more exposure so it would have to be damn good money
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Never fails to come through, JC Lopez.
Not only is he the epitomy of ugly mag covers, but he also delivers contracts to match. ;D
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very limiting... unless he is sponsoring them and paying them not to shoot... but more shoots lead to more exposure so it would have to be damn good money
agree with you 100%, unless you gettin paid a monthly check by this guy, why sign something to keep you locked up!!!
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We don't know the terms of this agreement (money wise) but yes unless it is worth locking yourself out of other potential income, no one should sign this. Those who sign exclusive contracts do so because it is financially rewarding.
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unless the contract were to come with garantied money i would advise against signing anything of this type
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Juan-Carlos Lopez: Why are you threatening to sue the woman who exposed your little scam?
Why not threaten to sue me?
Are you that much of a wuss?
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Juan-Carlos Lopez: Why are you threatening to sue the woman who exposed your little scam?
Why not threaten to sue me?
Are you that much of a wuss?
DOH! Tre laying the smack down.
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JC why are you threatening the various web site owners to sue them as well?
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O.K. I have to stand up for my Boy J.C. First and foremost, Has anyone signed his Contract and then complained that he didn't deliver. Yes, the Contract is very Strict. However, J.C. is not a evil spirited guy. He isn't perfect, but he is not a slime-ball either. I will call him and ask him whats up with the Contract.
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Women will sign anything because there are so many desperate wanna be fitness models in the world...........not trying to sound harsh, but it's the truth.
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JC Nothing to say! Really...? No intention of explaining your "contract"?
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2 of my specific problems...
7. It will involve photoshoots at either an event where the athlete competes or is attending or working a booth. Shoots will also be scheduled out of the competitive season in order to return the investment from the Manager. Model/Competitor is responsible in contacting Manager regarding future shows.
10. Shooting Shape
As most of the return investment for the Manager are photos and videos the Model/competitor must be in good shape which is 5 lbs above contest shape without counting strict contest weight on stage
So as a competitor you are only allowed to gain 5 lbs in the offseason?
19. House Rules and Behavior: If staying at a house or hotel room paid by the Manager, Model/competitor will be subjected to certain rules. First of all no disruptive behavior towards Manager, no excessive partying that will disrupt photoshoots next day or the same day, only the model will be at the house or hotel, if you have a loved one or friend that is not involved unless explicit authorization from the Manager they are not allowed in the same hotel/house. Trainers, translators or people that the Manager appoints are fine as their involvement is needed in the success of the Model/competitor event.
SO JC would have to approve of my mom or husband/boyfriend coming to visit me. Sounds like fun
I have so many other issues with the contract and JC in general. Unfortunately when you approach depleted women who are looking for an "in" in an industry that is full of of beautiful people, it is easy to manipulate. All I can do is urge newcomers to talk to some of the women who have been around to get their opinion of the photographers they have worked with.
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Well...most contracts are must be mutually beneficial in order to be considered legal. There is also some basic contract law that applies everywhere whether written in a contract or not. I guess the question here is whether there is any real harm to either party and if there is a breech and how would it be enforced. The big thing here is that we do not have all the information, so are we being wise to react so swiftly?
With my experience with JC, I would like to suggest that he is just trying to do something for the sake of organization and professionalism. Has anyone considered that this can evolve into a good thing for everybody? People should not be afraid of contracts, if anything they should be mandatory for business so that everyone is on the same page.
Just my opinion....
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Exhibits A, B and C on why you wouldn't want this type of "manager".
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Exhibits A, B and C on why you wouldn't want this type of "manager".
DAMN!!... Those have to be THEE worst photos of Monica and Jenny I have ever seen.
Exhibit "B" looks like it belongs on a calendar in the backroom of a construction business.
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Exhibits A, B and C on why you wouldn't want this type of "manager".
Begs the question (again) - what were Monica and Jenny Lynn thinking? :-\
To all would-be models everywhere: If you take pride in your appearance and in your image, do not shoot with so-called photographers who do not take any pride in their work unless you maintain control over the finished product.
I don't believe for one moment that either Monica or Jenny Lynn would've approved such terrible snapshots for publication. Schmoes have taken better pics than that at expos with cardboard box cameras.
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Schmoes have taken better pics than that at expos with cardboard box cameras.
you were a schmoe once Tre ;D and Thank God your pics got better with time. Hopefully JC's will too in time.
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Just like naturaltraining has said there is not enough info, and the contract that people speak about its not even the one I have been using as mentions nothing about sponsorship which is really what I have.
Its nice to see there is a following in what I do, my fans are always loyal... and it sounds like I could advertise a service/product on each post I do.
Well...most contracts are must be mutually beneficial in order to be considered legal. There is also some basic contract law that applies everywhere whether written in a contract or not. I guess the question here is whether there is any real harm to either party and if there is a breech and how would it be enforced. The big thing here is that we do not have all the information, so are we being wise to react so swiftly?
With my experience with JC, I would like to suggest that he is just trying to do something for the sake of organization and professionalism. Has anyone considered that this can evolve into a good thing for everybody? People should not be afraid of contracts, if anything they should be mandatory for business so that everyone is on the same page.
Just my opinion....
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JC, has a very unique style of photography, and imo, can work really well.
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lift as usual after his own agenda here.
as far as i know jc shot many top figure, fitness and bodybuilding athletes and his reputation is not bad at all. some of the pictures are not that great while there are some that very good. i guess just like any photographer.
i dont see a problem with that contract. in my opinion if you dont like the contract, dont sign. simple as that. or you have to learn how to negotiate and get what you think you deserve. and if you dont come to an agreement, simply dont sign.
i remember lee priest posted ifbb olympia contract.now that was really bad and nobody said a word.
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lift as usual after his own agenda here.
as far as i know jc shot many top figure, fitness and bodybuilding athletes and his reputation is not bad at all. some of the pictures are not that great while there are some that very good. i guess just like any photographer.
i dont see a problem with that contract. in my opinion if you dont like the contract, dont sign. simple as that. or you have to learn how to negotiate and get what you think you deserve. and if you dont come to an agreement, simply dont sign.
i remember lee priest posted ifbb olympia contract.now that was really bad and nobody said a word.
Some of the drama queens are acting like he holds people at gunpoint or something.
Don't like the contract, don't sign it.
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lift as usual after his own agenda here.
as far as i know jc shot many top figure, fitness and bodybuilding athletes and his reputation is not bad at all. some of the pictures are not that great while there are some that very good. i guess just like any photographer.
i dont see a problem with that contract. in my opinion if you dont like the contract, dont sign. simple as that. or you have to learn how to negotiate and get what you think you deserve. and if you dont come to an agreement, simply dont sign.
i remember lee priest posted ifbb olympia contract.now that was really bad and nobody said a word.
What is my agenda here?
You're right every photographer takes bad photos. The difference is most don't put them on a cover and exploit them.
We know you're a big Lee Priest fan and there was plenty of discussion about the contract on the main board, but nice try.
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DAMN!!... Those have to be THEE worst photos of Monica and Jenny I have ever seen.
Exhibit "B" looks like it belongs on a calendar in the backroom of a construction business.
Without getting too involved in this issue/debate, I just wanted to say a couple of things for the record:
---Exhibit "B" is neither Monica nor Jenny.
---I shot with JC in Chicago during Junior Nationals. I signed a very typical model release/copywright form, and he paid me for the shoot. I did not sign a management contract, just a standard release form. I had a good time doing the shoot, it was fun, and I am very pleased with the photos that JC took.
---Models need to be aware of what they are signing, read it, and make decisions based on what they feel is best, especially if they are trying to pursue some sort of "career" in this industry. If they feel that an exclusive management arrangement with JC is best for them, then at least the contract allows them to be fully aware of what they are signing up for, assuming they read it.
:)
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Without getting too involved in this issue/debate, I just wanted to say a couple of things for the record:
---Exhibit "B" is neither Monica nor Jenny.
I never said Exhibit "B" was Monica or Jenny (for those who may not recognize them from these wonderful photos... Exhibit "A" is Monica, and Exhibit "C" is Jenny).... and as stated before Exhibit "B" belongs on a calendar in a backroom somewhere!
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calendar in a back room har har har I am imagining nasty things.
Perhaps someone who has signed the contract can share the benefits... From what it seems he pays for putting them up at shows... and maybe he offers them a monthly stipend... who knows
has anyone signed it and tried to get out.. or is happy with it
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calendar in a back room har har har I am imagining nasty things.
Dina... when I see pictures of you Mmmmm... I always imagine nasty things!
However, Exhibit "B"... not so much! I'm sure a construction worker would find that photo hot as the centerfold in his Snap-On tool catalog though. If that same construction worker saw photos of you Dina... ummm... he would have a tough time working with the pipe you created in his pants.
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Considering the girl's right arm is lopped off, I don't see how that works so well with a construction calendar.
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Considering the girl's right arm is lopped off, I don't see how that works so well with a construction calendar.
Come on Lift... It is obviously a "Safety Calendar" showing images of girls involved in industrial accidents
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I did a shoot with JC and my contract looked nothing like the one posted. Mine was much more reasonable and we negotiated and changed the parts of the contract that I wasn't happy with before I signed it. Like any photographer, not all of the pictures were perfect, but enough were for me to use them for my website and promotions. I do not think he was trying to be unfair. As other people posted, it is up to the athlete to sign the contract anyway (or have it changed if need be). As for the hardfitness magazine, the covers may not please everyone, but its nice to read informative articles written by competitors. Also, his competition coverage is really good and gets online fast. Just wanted to share my experience and opinion...
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Dina... when I see pictures of you Mmmmm... I always imagine nasty things!
However, Exhibit "B"... not so much! I'm sure a construction worker would find that photo hot as the centerfold in his Snap-On tool catalog though. If that same construction worker saw photos of you Dina... ummm... he would have a tough time working with the pipe you created in his pants.
Oh scooby...
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Also, his competition coverage is really good and gets online fast. Just wanted to share my experience and opinion...
You're correct on one thing - the contest coverage is excellent. He should continue to do what he's good at.
With respect to your experience, it seems that it's the lesser-known talent - and not the pros or top amateurs - who generally get the shaft. I do not find that at all surprising. Instead of allowing themselves to be intimidated by his threats or misleading statements, however, they should be willing to go on-the-record with their experiences.
It's ambitious of him to want to be a 'manager', but as another manager noted, it seems that he is more of a pimp wannabe than a person capable of actually 'managing' anyone else's fitness schmodeling career.
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"schmodeling"
Nice new word... so now there is Schmoes & Schmodels... and then there are normal people!
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Nice new word... so now there is Schmoes & Schmodels... and then there are normal people!
Don't forget about the schmotographers, they are a very important element in all of this. ;D
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schmoenation anyone
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Schmolympia is around the corner.
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I suppose they all live in the kingdom of... Schmotopia... which of course would be ruled by the King and Queen of the Schmoes.
Even though Schmotopia is a Monarchy... Let's hear some votes & opinions on who would be the King of Schmotopia, and who would be the Queen!
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i have very unpleasant thoughts
scooby can u come over and give me a lick down
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Let do it! I give you free reign!
www.schmonation.com and www.schmotopia.com, will go to the same site.
Build it up! The little kingdoms with
Schmos & Schmodels & Schmotographers work together!
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Let do it! I give you free reign!
www.schmonation.com and www.schmotopia.com, will go to the same site.
Build it up! The little kingdoms with
Schmos & Schmodels & Schmotographers work together!
SiouxCountry would love those sites.
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i have very unpleasant thoughts
scooby can u come over and give me a lick down
DAMN... I didn't see this till now.
Have the thoughts passed? If not I'm leaving now, be there in a few!
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Too late Scooby. I took care of it. Just go get another beer.
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You're right every photographer takes bad photos. The difference is most don't put them on a cover and exploit them.
Every photographer takes bad photos.
Yeah, I buy that, maybe. Once.
But repeatedly? On covers?
Month after month?
In the age of photoshopping and digital cameras?
We could very well have witnessed the worst display of cover photography known to man.
Ever.
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I like the schmoe play on words. ;D
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Too late Scooby. I took care of it. Just go get another beer.
Ron, I had already had a few beers which is why I missed Dina's request... I figured it was just enough beer that if I got picked up for DUI on the way to see Dina that I might get to give Lindsay Lohan a licking instead.
Of course Lindsay would always be second choice to Dina though!!!
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Come on over... I will be wearing this
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Come on over... I will be wearing this
Not for long you won't!!!
I'm on my way!
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What a Hot Photo!!
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I would not sign ??it...
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I met JC last year at the Olympia and he is a great guy & very professional at what he does.
Ok he hasnt been a photographer for 10 years but coming from nowhere to having one of the biggest members sites in Fitness/Figure/Bodybuilding in one year is a pretty amazing feat..well done mate!
No need for people to be jealous because of that.
:)
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what works for JC is great and what works for people who want to sign that contract is great...
we are allowed to discuss is objectively and i dont think that makes us haters or jealous people.
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However, we can only speak for ourselves individually when it comes to jealousy right Dina?
I'm merely pointing out that I'm sure there are some jealous folks on these boards, who do love to jump on someone like JC (who is not a Pro Photographer but is making great money on his website) when they get the chance.
That can be because they are jealous.
If im new here and i can see it, then im sure many others also see it too
::)
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I don't think anyone who has posted here is jealous of JC.
Those of us who are around the models/competitors and the various shows knows what happens. There are plenty of stories not being shared on the boards.
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There's a marked difference between discussion and dissing, this thread clearly show that.
I only see males dissing here & im sure as you say they are the ones sharing plenty of stories too,
so if its not jealousy amongst males, then indulge me
JC does have about 800 members if im not mistaken, does anyone on this thread have that?
I'm a good Photographer but I dont have that & I wish i did!
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There's a marked difference between discussion and dissing, this thread clearly show that.
I only see males dissing here & im sure as you say they are the ones sharing plenty of stories too,
so if its not jealousy amongst males, then indulge me
JC does have about 800 members if im not mistaken, does anyone on this thread have that?
I'm a good Photographer but I dont have that & I wish i did!
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800 members to what?
Sharing facts is dissing? I guess I'm a disser then. My issues are pushing for models to do nudes, telling them what drugs they should get on, telling them that they are too fat BEFORE their show that took place later that day, a bogus contract (to anyone with a future) the list goes on.
Hope this helps.
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who cares how many members JC has.. more power to him. we are discussin a contract that may or may not work for the women...
hmm I am hoping that the women are making as much money off their bodies as everyone else....
and yes a few women have posted on this not just males... in fact this contract is being discussed on several boards
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who cares how many members JC has.. more power to him. we are discussin a contract that may or may not work for the women...
hmm I am hoping that the women are making as much money off their bodies as everyone else....
and yes a few women have posted on this not just males... in fact this contract is being discussed on several boards
As far as I can see 2 women have posted on this thread that have worked with JC & both posted in support of him.
Correct Dina?
So thats a 2 for 2 there for JC huh ;)
Also I think you need to re-read this thread if you think it just contains facts, when in fact pundits have resorted to feeble name calling. Unless people here think its mighty professional to discuss facts and then diss someone as a pimp wannabe or whatever.
Its nice to be so righteous isnt it, do we have any buddhist monks around here?
*looks around*
Ya, I didnt think so
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Welcome to Getbig Marc.
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I'm hungry :-\
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Marc
I think you miscounted.... but we wont hold that against you since you are just a newbie here we will try to be nice and ease you into the fire
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Dina, ive only met u once...and rememba u were getting hit on just b4 we met, YET
you then bought me a drink.
And of all the beautiful ladies ive met in my travels across the globe, very few would make that sweet gesture
:-*
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Anything I have ever heard when it comes to these contracts with JC have been nothing but kinda creepy :(
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Damn, Dina never bought me a drink :'(
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...great guy & very professional at what he does...
*smile*
It sounds like you don't know him very well and that's fine, so I will say only that - having known this character for a few years now - you are incorrect.
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There's a marked difference between discussion and dissing, this thread clearly show that.
I only see males dissing here & im sure as you say they are the ones sharing plenty of stories too,
so if its not jealousy amongst males, then indulge me
JC does have about 800 members if im not mistaken, does anyone on this thread have that?
I'm a good Photographer but I dont have that & I wish i did!
I certainly do not begrudge anyone's success - JC DOES work hard when it comes to shooting tons of stuff and getting it processed and I have always given him credit for that, especially for what he does in contest coverage. You can read a dozen of my anti-JC posts and you'll always see that credit given.
But in the interest of keeping it real, if he's doing so well (and I'm not here to comment on his membership numbers, which I would consider private), then why are his checks bouncing? It would be one thing if it had happened only to one woman, but FOUR separate reports came in and he doesn't even tell anyone that there was a bank error? Hell, it's an easy mistake to forget to move money from one account to another (*wink* @ Vyotech), but wouldn't the VISA account kick in to provide the overdraft protection?
I dunno, that's definitely his private business, but 'professionals' don't write FOUR bad checks in a single week...especially when they're supposedly making enough money to make the rest of us jealous out of our minds. ::)
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if the shoe fits my friend...
i have also heard from several different reports that in the past u send girls running to mike from herbiceps to get paid bc u cant pay them
is that true?
:o
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Trust me, Marc - you don't have nearly enough ammo to engage here.
In answer to your question, no, I do not make a habit of paying Mike's models. If I'm helping him on a HerBiceps shoot, I send them to him for payment, and rightfully so. Likewise, if he's helping me on a shoot for FemFlex, he sends them to me for their payments.
In the almost 5 years I've been running this company, I have not given anyone a bad check. I don't see that as anything to boast about either - just stating the fact. I can't begin to imagine the mindset of someone who would write four bad checks in a single week, and those are just the four women who said anything about it.
There's plenty of 'dirt' on me out there, my friend, but on this issue, stick to the facts and try to stay away from the hearsay unless you want your credibility in the tank before you've barely made a footprint here.
Your attempts to put up a smokescreen for your associate are valiant, but in vain. You're welcome to be in awe of and intimidated by him, but don't think for a moment that everyone else is fooled.
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awe or intimidated? haha! He wishes! I'm travelling the world, he's only travelling the states!
I also give JC pointers on his shoots. Like adding music to a shoot, so the girl gets more comfortable. Especially a video shoot.
Have you never heard of Bank errors? they can happen, maybe uve been lucky enough never to have one
Do you know that 2 of the girls contacted him after the bounce and he told them to re-cash & voila, they got the money.
The other 2 have failed to contact him & have not re-cashed the cheques. So thats pretty silly if you ask me.
Oh & for my cred, feel free to ask any of the girls that ive shot with since i started shooting Fitness girls in 2002;
Krissy Chin, Jelena Abbou, Christina Lindley, Tanya Merryman, Nikki Warner, Amy Llinas, Tara Caballero, Elise Penn, Christy Resendes, Trina Goosby, Elaine Seth, Danae Oyler...After 5 years, ud know them all right? and theres my Size 10 for ya, Aussie style!
Dont worry, i wont dig up on you. I'm not a gossip but i like to stick up for mates
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I also give JC pointers on his shoots. Like adding music to a shoot, so the girl gets more comfortable. Especially a video shoot.
Wanna give him some advice he can use? Advise him to never, ever, ever shoot another video clip as long as he lives, because he just doesn't 'get it'. He does have a chance in still schmotography, however.
Have you never heard of Bank errors? they can happen, maybe uve been lucky enough never to have one
Do you know that 2 of the girls contacted him after the bounce and he told them to re-cash & voila, they got the money.
The other 2 have failed to contact him & have not re-cashed the cheques. So thats pretty silly if you ask me.
Even if it was as simple as him forgetting to transfer the funds from savings to checking, why didn't he simply say, "My bad" and apologize?
Bank errors can and do happen. You might want to handle all of Mr. Lopez' PR from now on, because you're a lot better at the excuse-making. Did he tell you about his responses to those women who were affected? The guy has no shame.
Oh & for my cred, feel free to ask any of the girls...
I don't have to ask anyone - I'm telling you. (as an aside, Tanya has previously spoken highly of you)
I'm not a gossip but i like to stick up for mates
You're welcome to make excuses for and defend this guy all you want, but despite all your best efforts at spin control, you simply don't have enough bullets in your gun.
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Wanna give him some advice he can use? Advise him to never, ever, ever shoot another video clip as long as he lives, because he just doesn't 'get it'. He does have a chance in still schmotography, however.
Even if it was as simple as him forgetting to transfer the funds from savings to checking, why didn't he simply say, "My bad" and apologize?
Bank errors can and do happen. You might want to handle all of Mr. Lopez' PR from now on, because you're a lot better at the excuse-making. Did he tell you about his responses to those women who were affected? The guy has no shame.
I don't have to ask anyone - I'm telling you. (as an aside, Tanya has previously spoken highly you)
You're welcome to make excuses for and defend this guy all you want, but despite all your best efforts at spin control, you simply don't have enough bullets in your gun.
Ok buddy, seriously why would JC stop shooting video when, as i have pointed out already,
he has 800 members who pay monthly for it & enjoy it?
Not everyone has to approve of anyones style, but if MANY women do like working with him & his members site is doing GREAT, then i think they are the most important virtues he has to stick by. Not whether you approve of his video style or cover shots.
In relation to the bank account, it was NOT a case of forgetting to transfer funds, but bank error as the cheques shouldve cashed.
Two of the girls have yet to contact JC that their cheques bounced, so how could he apologise if they have not even contacted him to voice their concern? The other Two did contact JC, and im certain he did point out what happened. His/Banks bad, easy.
Actually i prefer adhering to the principles of non-violence (see Gandhi) to using bullets,
but i understand that maybe you need to vent as its beyond you that there is ONLY a minority of people who think like you do.
Touch down for HardFitness there.
I'm happy Tanya said good words about me,
but I'm sure if I started shooting more topless stuff, and then video, not everyone would love me either
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munching on popcorn....
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munching on popcorn....
id just like 2 say thanks 2 the Academy & 2 Dina 4 easing me in2 the fire
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I don't give a crap about the contract.........but just wanted to throw in that I am a Tre "fan" >:(
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does that mean u wrestle together?
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Alright that's enough, everybody out of the pool. ;)
Team FigureRX
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does that mean u wrestle together?
Since you're new here and obviously don't know me from a hole in the wall, I'll let that go....
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Since you're new here and obviously don't know me from a hole in the wall, I'll let that go....
oh its Aussie humour hun, thats usually the excuse i give if i offend someone...we're more easy going & not so politically correct
i can take it as good as i give it
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oh its Aussie humour hun, thats usually the excuse i give if i offend someone...we're more easy going & not so politically correct
i can take it as good as i give it
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I will grace you with my forgiveness in that case ;D
I just went to your parts a few weeks ago actually, enjoyed myself alot. Welcome to getbig btw....always good to have someone new on the fitness board. Back to the topic at hand.............
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you went Down Under? Nice!
ahh the lucky country...u guys have too much frozen food in the supermarket, ur OJ & Apple juices suck & u can keep the high fructose corn syrup too...
but u do have Tre & JC....baha!
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but u do have Tre & JC....baha!
:P
Unless I'm mistaken, CQ is not from the U.S.
As I said before, you're too new to have much foundation for some of the claims you've been making.
I think you're funny, though, so I hope you stick around.
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you went Down Under? Nice!
ahh the lucky country...u guys have too much frozen food in the supermarket, ur OJ & Apple juices suck & u can keep the high fructose corn syrup too...
but u do have Tre & JC....baha!
:P
As we say here on getbig, you just "owned yourself" as like Tre said I am *not* from the US ;D
But it's all good, like Tre said stick around....
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As we say here on getbig, you just "owned yourself" as like Tre said I am *not* from the US ;D
But it's all good, like Tre said stick around....
Actually i didnt say u were from the US, "you guys" was a general reference not specifically directed to anyone
but ill forgive u both too
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Marc
you are a good guy... I will just say that sometimes things are not always what they seem. I do not think you know this industry as well as some of us do.
That being said you are entitled to your opinion, but I rather you use it to promote yourself instead of playing white knight to someone else. JC doesn't need you..he has his supporters and as many of us pointed out this is not about dissing him or being jealous this is about discussing certain issues.
I have worked with herbiceps and tre and both have been outstanding. I have not worked with JC not because of any bad reason.. I have chosen to only shoot for print and fitdina.com these last few years. I will agree that those covers do leave much to be desired... with photoshop even I could clean them up...
His contest coverage is very good and we all appreciate the effort and support he gives many of those girls. I dont care about the contract if it works for some then by all means take it.
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Marc
you are a good guy... I will just say that sometimes things are not always what they seem. I do not think you know this industry as well as some of us do.
That being said you are entitled to your opinion, but I rather you use it to promote yourself instead of playing white knight to someone else. JC doesn't need you..he has his supporters and as many of us pointed out this is not about dissing him or being jealous this is about discussing certain issues.
I have worked with herbiceps and tre and both have been outstanding. I have not worked with JC not because of any bad reason.. I have chosen to only shoot for print and fitdina.com these last few years. I will agree that those covers do leave much to be desired... with photoshop even I could clean them up...
His contest coverage is very good and we all appreciate the effort and support he gives many of those girls. I dont care about the contract if it works for some then by all means take it.
Ur a good bird Dina, I also dont think its just about the industry which you know so well, its also about people & character. Because this is not purely just a business for anyone. After travelling 35 countries and working in 5 continents, you can guess that im pretty good at reading people. And I need to be. So I'm nobody's white knight but where im from, you do look out for mates.
JC has been kind to me, offered me a place to stay, without knowing me well or asking something in return and i respect that
& its more than many people would do in this industry im sure.
i usually dont think about JC every day, but now ive been on here, he's getting a sincere form of flattery by all of the attention...haha!
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Ur a good bird Dina, I also dont think its just about the industry which you know so well, its also about people & character. Because this is not purely just a business for anyone. After travelling 35 countries and working in 5 continents, you can guess that im pretty good at reading people. And I need to be. So I'm nobody's white knight but where im from, you do look out for mates.
JC has been kind to me, offered me a place to stay, without knowing me well or asking something in return and i respect that
& its more than many people would do in this industry im sure.
That's fine - you're only supposed to judge people based on your own experiences with them. And you're supposed to protect your bread-n-butter.
That's all I'm doing as well. As I put it before, I'm in the process of even further distancing my affairs from his and within another year or so, there should not be any lingering entanglements.
In the meantime, maybe he will sign you as his manager. ;)