Muscle Tears chances

[ASJChaotic]

it's very rare for natural bodybuilders to tear muscles am I right?
Does anybody know how much the chances of tearing a muscle go up when steroids are introduced?
Do steroids weaken the tendons or the muscles and cause the tear?

I'm planning on going very heavy and training almost like a power lifter, just don't wanna tear anything
and would appreciate some tips. 
Of course all natural.

[Zach Trowbridge]

Why would you care how much steroids change things if you're planning to be natural?

[Soundness]

it's very rare for natural bodybuilders to tear muscles am I right?
Does anybody know how much the chances of tearing a muscle go up when steroids are introduced?
Do steroids weaken the tendons or the muscles and cause the tear?

I'm planning on going very heavy and training almost like a power lifter, just don't wanna tear anything
and would appreciate some tips. 
Of course all natural.

Your main concern should be perfect form at a controlled tempo. 
That being said, tears can occur even with good form, even with light weight, etc... 

[ASJChaotic]

Why would you care how much steroids change things if you're planning to be natural?

because I wanna know if muscle tears only happen in steroid users
and if naturals have to even worry about them

[Zach Trowbridge]

Your main concern should be perfect form at a controlled tempo. 
That being said, tears can occur even with good form, even with light weight, etc... 

Good advice.  Warming up the elbow, knee and shoulder joints before starting your main exercises are also a necessity, as well as some total body dynamic warmups (high kicks, step-ups, squat thrusts, windmills, etc.).  What's the phrase, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?

[AVBG]

it's very rare for natural bodybuilders to tear muscles am I right?
Does anybody know how much the chances of tearing a muscle go up when steroids are introduced?
Do steroids weaken the tendons or the muscles and cause the tear?

I'm planning on going very heavy and training almost like a power lifter, just don't wanna tear anything
and would appreciate some tips. 
Of course all natural.

quoted for the comedic value

[ASJChaotic]

Good advice.  Warming up the elbow, knee and shoulder joints before starting your main exercises are also a necessity, as well as some total body dynamic warmups (high kicks, step-ups, squat thrusts, windmills, etc.).  What's the phrase, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?

but naturals don't have to worry about muscle tears if they go heavy do they?

[AVBG]

but naturals don't have to worry about muscle tears if they go heavy do they?

even funnier... This is good stuff, the rate your going Saturday Night Live will have to put you on the roster.

[WillGrant]

because I wanna know if muscle tears only happen in steroid users
and if naturals have to even worry about them

No and of course they should.

[Soundness]

but naturals don't have to worry about muscle tears if they go heavy do they?

It can still happen in naturals. It's unfortunate, but a risk well worth taking.
Just warm up the joints properly as Zach suggested and use perfect, controlled form to reduce the chances as much as possible.  

[ASJChaotic]

even funnier... This is good stuff, the rate your going Saturday Night Live will have to put you on the roster.

Alex.....fuck off back to the thread I owned you, on this board try to be productive and helpful
you follow me everywhere puppy. 

[ASJChaotic]

It can still happen in naturals. It's unfortunate, but a risk well worth taking.
Just warm up the joints properly as Zach suggested and use perfect, controlled form to reduce the chances as much as possible.  

I have been only working out for 10 months and those 10 months have been light weights and half ass work outs

time to get serious

I'm gonna be f**king huge and strong  

[Soundness]

I have been only working out for 10 months and those 10 months have been light weights and half ass work outs

time to get serious

I'm gonna be f**king huge and strong  

Maintain that attitude and you will.  A big part of it is the way you think between workouts; you must know you're growing.

My personal advice would be to do all compounds your first few years, just as big L proposed in that other thread
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251711.0
and train for strength as you've indicated in this thread you're planning on. That's a very productive idea. 

[Soundness]

BTW,

This is an excellent book to study and follow:


http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Brawn-Insiders-Encyclopedia-Muscle/dp/9963916368/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228968245&sr=1-1

 

[Zach Trowbridge]

but naturals don't have to worry about muscle tears if they go heavy do they?

Please, please, please tell me you're not serious here.

[ASJChaotic]

BTW,

This is an excellent book to study and follow:

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Brawn-Insiders-Encyclopedia-Muscle/dp/9963916368/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228968245&sr=1-1

 

I have it, along with alot of other books, but I have to read it 

Please, please, please tell me you're not serious here.

I honestly thought it was more of a steroid user's problem and that as a natural I didn't have to worry about it.

[Zach Trowbridge]

I honestly thought it was more of a steroid user's problem and that as a natural I didn't have to worry about it.

I wish the relative ridiculousness of this comment would be enough to warrant you not handing advice out on the training board like you've been training for 10 years.  It completely destroys your credibility and shows an extreme lack of experience.

As for your original question, most steroid users tend to tear muscles because tendons and ligaments don't grow in size and strength at the same rate muscles do while on AAS.  So you have a tendon capable of moving, for example, 225 lbs in a bench press, supporting a muscle that can now move 405 lbs.  Something has to give.  It's like using an elevator cable rated for 1000 lbs on an elevator rated for 2000.

Naturals tend to tear muscles because of excessive or sloppy range of motion coupled with too much weight.  Dumbbell flyes that are either too heavy, too relaxed or too deep would be an example.

[ASJChaotic]

I wish the relative ridiculousness of this comment would be enough to warrant you not handing advice out on the training board like you've been training for 10 years.  It completely destroys your credibility and shows an extreme lack of experience.

As for your original question, most steroid users tend to tear muscles because tendons and ligaments don't grow in size and strength at the same rate muscles do while on AAS.  So you have a tendon capable of moving, for example, 225 lbs in a bench press, supporting a muscle that can now move 405 lbs.  Something has to give.  It's like using an elevator cable rated for 1000 lbs on an elevator rated for 2000.

Naturals tend to tear muscles because of excessive or sloppy range of motion coupled with too much weight.  Dumbbell flyes that are either too heavy, too relaxed or too deep would be an example.

I have no experience  I've been working out not even for a full year
I'll try to stop giving advice and start taking it 

thanks for the info

[Soundness]

I have no experience  I've been working out not even for a full year
I'll try to stop giving advice and start taking it 

thanks for the info

BTW, AXA, your build is excellent for how long you've been training; you show massive potential.

Train for maximum possible size with compounds only utilizing perfect controlled form, while training seriously for strength, for a couple years and who knows what will happen...

[ASJChaotic]

BTW, AXA, your build is excellent for how long you've been training; you show massive potential.

Train for maximum possible size with compounds only utilizing perfect controlled form, while training seriously for strength, for a couple years and who knows what will happen...

thanks bro, starting Jan I'm gonna be eating big and training big
I plan on competing as a natural bodybuilding after 3 years

[Soundness]

thanks bro, starting Jan I'm gonna be eating big and training big
I plan on competing as a natural bodybuilding after 3 years

You very well could. You may do very well, too.

BTW, you don't have to eat a whole whole lot, just a little more than what you usually do.
It should just be a decent amount of healthy food. 

[ASJChaotic]

You very well could. You may do very well, too.

BTW, you don't have to eat a whole whole lot, just a little more than what you usually do.
It should just be a decent amount of healthy food. 

I'm not gonna go crazy with the eating, just a little more than usual 

[ahh.. fk]

work the weights up and warm up well. Dont crawl under weight you cannot rep for at least 4 on your own without a spot. Proper range of motion also.

Watch flat bench. Its a chest destroyer.

[pumpster]

Watch flat bench. Its a chest destroyer.

That can be very true for some. The idea that is endlessly propogated that compounds are better is always cute.

First of all compounds are more likely to cause injury from the heavier weighs lifted, and they don't necessarily lead to better results. Quite the contrary in fact. My greatest gains often didn't come from compounds. Conversely my joint injuries have come from compounds.

Keep an open mind.

[ASJChaotic]

work the weights up and warm up well. Dont crawl under weight you cannot rep for at least 4 on your own without a spot. Proper range of motion also.

Watch flat bench. Its a chest destroyer.

I don't do flat bench, I did it couple of times just to try it, but my angle is usually an incline
I think the flat bench is way over rated and puts more stress on the shoulders and pectoral tendon

That can be very true for some. The idea that is endlessly propogated that compounds are better is always cute.

First of all compounds are more likely to cause injury from the heavier weighs lifted, and they don't necessarily lead to better results. Quite the contrary in fact. My greatest gains often didn't come from compounds. Conversely my joint injuries have come from compounds.

Keep an open mind.

I'm not just going to limit myself to compounds, I've learned to train smart.