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Which type of cardio?
« on: January 08, 2009, 11:13:21 PM »
I planned on doing a big cut about a month from now but after reading up some things I am not sure if I should just do more cardio now while I am bulking. From what I read MAX-OT says I can cut down and keep putting on mass. I don't know about this never been able to do both. Some people say doing 30min jogging type of stuff is the only way to go. Max-OT seems the exact opposite what works best? Any reliable evidence either way?

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 01:39:17 AM »
You ever looked a boxer? If you haven't tried already get a jumprope. That's some of the best cardio I've done. Melts fat and doesn't bang your joints hard and works calves good. Learn to skip though not just ploppin' up and down.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 07:09:24 AM »
I planned on doing a big cut about a month from now but after reading up some things I am not sure if I should just do more cardio now while I am bulking. From what I read MAX-OT says I can cut down and keep putting on mass. I don't know about this never been able to do both. Some people say doing 30min jogging type of stuff is the only way to go. Max-OT seems the exact opposite what works best? Any reliable evidence either way?
dont jog or sprint. if your going to do one, sprint, but h best cardio for a bodybuilder is WALKING. brisk walk, maybe a slight uphill. no more.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 07:19:04 AM »
I personally like the elliptical machine & then a distant second in a stairmaster.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 08:15:03 AM »
Might consider a form of interval training if endless running (4-5 days a week...which can be muscle wasting in it's self) does not appeal to you. Something like the Tabata protocol for example, which is usually preformed 2 to 3 times a week. That's 20 seconds of intense effort followed by 10 seconds of rest and than back to the 20 second effort again, than 10 second rest, etc. Any where from 4 to 8 sets or cycles of this interval training, depending on personal goals.. 

Has worked wonders for fat lost while retaining, or improving, present muscle mass. Can be done with a rowing machine, airdyne, spin cycle (not a washing machine), elliptical machine, run/walk, etc. Works well for certain weight exercises also: squats, DL, cleans, etc. Even bwt squats give results. In any event, a killer method which should be approached slowly at first. But after a while fat lost and a higher level of stamina (endurance-strength) will follow.

Lot's of other interval training protocols that can give outstanding results other than Tabata. Take a web crawl and see what you may find.  Many college, sports medicine and research information on interval methods and their affect on improving V02 max and fat reduction.. Good luck.
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 09:04:59 AM »
jpm have you seen on well developed...i mean.. more muscular than what is considered "natural"...do interval cardio with sprints and such...this kind of overly muscular person do this high intensity cardio....and retain mass ? if so, on steroids at the time? and, did they supplement this cardio with some kind of protein or carb ?

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 09:29:05 AM »
Time to do a Google, would you not agree?
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 09:37:52 AM »
you think this guy is for real or what? could a human seriously be such an arrogant douche ? with zero knowledge other than "anecdotal evidence" ?

Yes on all counts. He sounds like a retiree with some of the phrases but apparently is only in his 30s. :D Still waiting for his recent pics as he promised.

Unintentionally very amusing, as always. ;D

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 10:00:13 AM »
Web crawl.......Webcrawler a top ranked web search tool. Hope this helps. Like when giving out information on the "V" bar to you. Which you knew nothing about. And of course being in my 30's tends to have an advantage than being in your 70's.

Cand-did seems to be imploding again. Hope his feeling are not damaged too much. Good Luck.
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 10:19:32 AM »
Tabata protocols HIIT! im a believer after trying
20sec max workload 10sec rest.... 4min of that!

wow. your really a douchebag. a figured youd respond positively if i asked you a question in the format of you being the "authority". but yet, no, your just a douchebag.


anyway, high intensity cardio will not help sustain muscle nor build it.  things like jogging and sprinting are counterproductive to musle mass.

bullshit!

only thing that's gonna burn muscle is if your running a marathon for 3 hours.
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 10:23:28 AM »
Tabata protocols HIIT! im a believer after trying
20sec max workload 10sec rest.... 4min of that!

bullshit!

only thing that's gonna burn muscle is if your running a marathon for 3 hours.
no no no

undertsand, these thypes  of exercise require glucose at a faster rate than gluconeogensis can provide. so the body must result to glycogen. glycogen is limited, and once glycogen runs out, the body must start to break down muscle for energy.


also, hormonally, endurance exercises like sprinting or runnign or joggin basically prevent you from building any mass at all.


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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 10:48:35 AM »
no no no

undertsand, these thypes  of exercise require glucose at a faster rate than gluconeogensis can provide. so the body must result to glycogen. glycogen is limited, and once glycogen runs out, the body must start to break down muscle for energy.


also, hormonally, endurance exercises like sprinting or runnign or joggin basically prevent you from building any mass at all.



No one said you should do it with empty glycogen stores, or empty stomach.... I always eat before, i do HIIT for fitness benefits and the fat burn is a nice bonus.

Sprinting releases the good hormones, marathon running however like you say release muscle and fat wasting hormones.
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 04:51:40 PM »
dont jog or sprint. if your going to do one, sprint, but h best cardio for a bodybuilder is WALKING. brisk walk, maybe a slight uphill. no more.

I'm in full agreement with Candi.
My favorite two forms of cardio minus walking on a treadmill:

Farmers Walks
Car Pushing.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 04:58:06 PM »
I agree with Rimbaud. I usually do twenty minutes on the elliptical and ten minutes on the stair master. Works pretty well for me.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2009, 05:15:10 PM »
For what it's worth, interval training on a treadmill has worked for me.  Granted, I'm not a bodybuilder...just a formerly obese man, now a slightly chubby man, soon to be "normal," but intervals have helped me lose fat without sacrificing what little muscle I have.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2009, 05:17:57 PM »
Walking's not really good enough IMO, UNLESS you up the intensity on a treadmill with a good incline and high tempo, close to jogging. Then you've got a serious cardio workout that gets the heart going, and won't generally hurt the joints like running can.

Stairmaster with the stairs is my choice, the standard stairmaster is also good. Elliptical is ok but a little on the moderate less intense side, in which case it's probably better to do it for a longer period of time in inclined position, or to do it in conjuction with some other cardio.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2009, 10:43:27 PM »
Walking's not really good enough IMO, UNLESS you up the intensity on a treadmill with a good incline and high tempo, close to jogging. Then you've got a serious cardio workout that gets the heart going, and won't generally hurt the joints like running can.

Stairmaster with the stairs is my choice, the standard stairmaster is also good. Elliptical is ok but a little on the moderate less intense side, in which case it's probably better to do it for a longer period of time in inclined position, or to do it in conjuction with some other cardio.
walking is post training and first thing in the morning.


i wouldnt really ever do cario at any other time. to me thats just a waste of time.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2009, 03:06:50 AM »
When cutting I like to take a brisk 45 min morning walk.  Great way to start the day.

Just recently started using Tabata and love it too.  I use it with sprinting and hitting the punching bag, fuckin great quick workout.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2009, 04:30:40 AM »
Walking?  LMAO!  What a homo! 

yes epic waste of time
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2009, 05:09:23 AM »
Mix it up.

Do one or two high intensity cardio sessions a week, in order to train your heart and lung functions.

A better general health status makes for better overall gains IMHO.

You can also do one or two low intensity cardio sessions, which aids in recovery from workouts.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2009, 05:14:38 AM »
Mix it up.

Do one or two high intensity cardio sessions a week, in order to train your heart and lung functions.

A better general health status makes for better overall gains IMHO.

You can also do one or two low intensity cardio sessions, which aids in recovery from workouts.



Sounds good. One type of cardio just gets boring. Throwing in some weight-based stuff is enjoyable too. Kettlebells etc

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2009, 08:08:31 AM »
When cutting I like to take a brisk 45 min morning walk.  Great way to start the day.

really true. for some reason first thing in the morning going out and taking a walk around the neighborhood really does get me in a good mood the rest of the day. time to think, i think.

yes epic waste of time
no wa, to me, anything other than walking in the morning or post work out is a waste of time. i only want to burn fat, not do it for "health".   


IMO cardio for health is bullcrap anyway. the mroe work the heart does, the shorter amount of time you live. if you eat less your metabolism slows which means sthe heart pumps less, then you live longer. so if you do intense cardio the heart works very hard then i wont let you live as long. IMO bes for health = healthy diet + sedentary lifestyle.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2009, 08:55:04 AM »
Walking's good for overall health and can do alot psychologically, for example in the morning to wake you up, get blood circulating, fresh air, etc. No doubt about it. However as far as cardio, i don't see it unless you're practically jogging or walk an hour or more daily. Normal walking speed sessions would be a nice complement to real cardio.

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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2009, 09:35:14 AM »
walking is good to shred fat
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Re: Which type of cardio?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2009, 11:09:24 AM »
Walking's good for overall health and can do alot psychologically, for example in the morning to wake you up, get blood circulating, fresh air, etc. No doubt about it. However as far as cardio, i don't see it unless you're practically jogging. A normal walking speed would be a nice complement to real cardio.

Unless you live in LA where walking outside can be detrimental to your health.