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Jim 'JR' Ross
Is Jim Ross the 'Voice of WWE', having spent 12 years commentating on Monday Night Raw, as well as PPV's, his voice being synonymous with some of the most famous moments in WWE history. Is he more than just a commentator, a true wrestling fan who loves what he does, and enhances any match he calls? A man who has overcome several obstacles, including a serious illness, to deserve his place in the Hall of Fame?
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Is he an overrated average commentator, championed by people too young to have heard Gordon Solie or Gorilla Monsoon. Does he collect these accolades due to the lack of competition rather than his own ability? Does he deserve his place in the Hall of Fame?
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He definitely deserves the HOF. But he'll always be sitting back seat to Bobby, Perfect, VKM, Jess, and the Gorilla.
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I’ve always like J.R.
He’s the closest thing we have to a Solie/Monsoon today.
Monsoon wrestled, so he was a credible source. His history made him passionate about the storied business.
Solie exuded knowledge and said the right things at the right time. His tenured experience and commitment exemplified his passion.
Ross has been around the business for a long time. He knows what to say and when & how to say it.
More animated and more emotion than Monsoon.
His longevity and real life WWF executive roles have given him the experience necessary to legitimize his character in the fans’ eyes.
Ross deserves his accolades.
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I’ve always like J.R.
He’s the closest thing we have to a Solie/Monsoon today.
Monsoon wrestled, so he was a credible source. His history made him passionate about the storied business.
Solie exuded knowledge and said the right things at the right time. His tenured experience and commitment exemplified his passion.
Ross has been around the business for a long time. He knows what to say and when & how to say it.
More animated and more emotion than Monsoon.
His longevity and real life WWF executive roles have given him the experience necessary to legitimize his character in the fans’ eyes.
Ross deserves his accolades.
Do you think his commentating would have been better or worse if he had worked alongside someone like Bobby Heenan? I know I used to prefer King when he was more of a heel.
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Hard to say.
I don’t think you could conclude anything from Heenan’s work with Gino Monsoon because it would have been a different kind of on air relationship between Ross & Bobby.
A lot of folks forget that Heenan went about 220 lbs., was at (or just over) the 6-ft. mark, and used to wrestle. Even so, Bobby could act chicken shit and beg off of Gorilla, who also wrestled, but was a lot bigger and tougher.
Heenan also worked well with Mike Tenay because “The Professor” came across so intelligently. Even though Tenay was no match for Heenan physically, he was intellectually imposing. Mike could rattle off a few sophisticated paragraphs of dialogue and Heenan would act all confused and frustrated, and basically concede. But Tenay was no J.R. He was skilled, but lacked the presence and rapport that Ross has with the fans.
Lawler is a (semi)retired wrestler, as was Heenan.
Jerry is a heel announcer, as was Heenan. Considering those similarities, I think Bobby & J.R. would have at least been on par with the J.R./King team.
However, Lawler’s best material was blue, generic, redundant/recycled, and a lot of it was public domain (or stock) lines that many other people have used.
Heenan’s comments were contextual (pertaining to the events at hand). Heenan would’ve offered something humorous, but with more substance, where Lawler may simply just scream, “PUPPIES!”
I think Ross would have had a little bit more to work with in Heenan.
But unless we could travel back in time and put Bobby in “The King’s” place, we’ll never know for sure.
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Hard to say.
I don’t think you could conclude anything from Heenan’s work with Gino Monsoon because it would have been a different kind of on air relationship between Ross & Bobby.
A lot of folks forget that Heenan went about 220 lbs., was at (or just over) the 6-ft. mark, and used to wrestle. Even so, Bobby could act chicken shit and beg off of Gorilla, who also wrestled, but was a lot bigger and tougher.
Heenan also worked well with Mike Tenay because “The Professor” came across so intelligently. Even though Tenay was no match for Heenan physically, he was intellectually imposing. Mike could rattle off a few sophisticated paragraphs of dialogue and Heenan would act all confused and frustrated, and basically concede. But Tenay was no J.R. He was skilled, but lacked the presence and rapport that Ross has with the fans.
Lawler is a (semi)retired wrestler, as was Heenan.
Jerry is a heel announcer, as was Heenan. Considering those similarities, I think Bobby & J.R. would have at least been on par with the J.R./King team.
However, Lawler’s best material was blue, generic, redundant/recycled, and a lot of it was public domain (or stock) lines that many other people have used.
Heenan’s comments were contextual (pertaining to the events at hand). Heenan would’ve offered something humorous, but with more substance, where Lawler may simply just scream, “PUPPIES!”
I think Ross would have had a little bit more to work with in Heenan.
But unless we could travel back in time and put Bobby in “The King’s” place, we’ll never know for sure.
Some interesting points there. I personally like JR, I think he's good at what he does. I do prefer the 'old' King, but like you said, it's completely different listening to old matches with Heenan on them, he had a very quick wit.
Oh and I used to love 'PUPPIES!'
>:( ;D
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I miss those days, too. :'(
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I miss those days, too. :'(
I think it'll back around in the next few years. This PG stuff is OK, but they'll soon realise that it's not gonna work in the long term. We all watched as kids, and the product grew up with us, with most of us being teens/20's during the Attitude Era, and we are still watching now. The kids who are watching now are gonna grow up and get bored with the current stuff, so Vince will have to change things up again.
Boobs, beer and barbed wire! ;D
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Agree.
Many things in pro wrestling go in cycles.
Also, the old man’s had to push back plans to “mature” his product in the wake of negative press in the past.
Remember when he wanted to take the Fed in a more “extreme” direction that targeted the older demographic, but held off because of pressure from the steroid scandal in the early 90’s?
What did we get instead?
(http://bestofprowrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/doinktheclown.jpg)
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(http://www.wrestlingfigureimages.com/ebay/images/hornswoggle.jpg)
So how do explain this marmot?
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(http://www.wrestlingfigureimages.com/ebay/images/hornswoggle.jpg)
So how do explain this marmot?
I hate that little bastard.
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Just one more sign of where the Federation is right now.
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I’ve always like J.R.
He’s the closest thing we have to a Solie/Monsoon today.
Monsoon wrestled, so he was a credible source. His history made him passionate about the storied business.
Solie exuded knowledge and said the right things at the right time. His tenured experience and commitment exemplified his passion.
Ross has been around the business for a long time. He knows what to say and when & how to say it.
More animated and more emotion than Monsoon.
His longevity and real life WWF executive roles have given him the experience necessary to legitimize his character in the fans’ eyes.
Ross deserves his accolades.
I agree. he is good.
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Thought he had a lot of potential in the UWF and NWA days.....thought he was unbearable for about a 10 year span in the WWF.....seems to have mellowed out over the last few years.
the "goooooood laaaaaarrrrrddddd !!!!" era was the unbearable period.
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nothing was as bad as King when he went through his screaming 'puppies' phase every second.
or Tony Schaivone every night of his career LOL
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nothing was as bad as King when he went through his screaming 'puppies' phase every second.
or Tony Schaivone every night of his career LOL
Tool.
How are the Braves doing, Tony? ;)
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J.R has and willalways be one of the best commentators out there. He is the best play by play man easily. Gorilla, Heenen, Perfect & Jessy were good but I think J.R. ranks right up there. They are all unique and great in their own way.
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Yes.
But not Schiavonne. :)
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J.R has and willalways be one of the best commentators out there. He is the best play by play man easily. Gorilla, Heenen, Perfect & Jessy were good but I think J.R. ranks right up there. They are all unique and great in their own way.
Did you ever get a chance to listen to Solie? JR is a very distant second. No hyperbole, just called the action and made it seem like a real athletic event instead of "sports entertainment..."
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Did you ever get a chance to listen to Solie? JR is a very distant second. No hyperbole, just called the action and made it seem like a real athletic event instead of "sports entertainment..."
Solie was good but I just think J.R is a better all round commentator.
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Solie was good but I just think J.R is a better all round commentator.
I think J.R.’s style is better suited for today’s climate.
Tony Schiavonne used to call matches like traditional announcers would over a radio – where fans can’t see the action. He would just describe what was happening.
There’s no need for anyone to do that now.
But Solie was the best of his time for very good reason.
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JR wears a Cowboy hat and King sounds like a Southern Bell. They're Southeners. I bet they both drive pick up trucks and watch Nascar. I'm a New Yorker. We don't wear Cowboy Hats. Not everyone can relate to these two Guys? Not everyone likes these kind of people. Everyone could relate to Bobby, Jess, Monsoon, VKM, and Perfect though. Maybe except for Jesse because of the way he dressed? But his announcing was hands down the best Wrestling has ever heard.
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JR wears a Cowboy hat and King sounds like a Southern Bell. They're Southeners. I bet they both drive pick up trucks and watch Nascar. I'm a New Yorker. We don't wear Cowboy Hats. Not everyone can relate to these two Guys? Not everyone likes these kind of people. Everyone could relate to Bobby, Jess, Monsoon, VKM, and Perfect though. Maybe except for Jesse because of the way he dressed? But his announcing was hands down the best Wrestling has ever heard.
Do you think their accents affect the quality of their commentary? I've heard rumours before that Vince doesn't like having announcers, interviewers, etc. with strong accents.
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Do you think their accents affect the quality of their commentary? I've heard rumours before that Vince doesn't like having announcers, interviewers, etc. with strong accents.
Absolutely not. The king is funny on the mic and J.R has major experince behind him He even announced for the Atlanta Falcons for a while before comming to the WWE.
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Absolutely not. The king is funny on the mic and J.R has major experince behind him He even announced for the Atlanta Falcons for a while before comming to the WWE.
One mans trash is another mans Treasure. I don't think the King is funny at all with that high pitched voice. And about JR. Last time I checked Atlanta was in the South.
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It’s not limited to who you can relate to, but who is entertaining enough for you to watch.
Vince is a billionaire. And notwithstanding my own 7 figure income bracket as a standard Getbigger, I still cannot relate to him, but I always enjoyed his character on TV. ;)
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It’s not limited to who you can relate to, but who is entertaining enough for you to watch.
Vince is a billionaire. And notwithstanding my own 7 figure income bracket as a standard Getbigger, I still cannot relate to him, but I always enjoyed his character on TV. ;)
Hey, I make 7 figures too ;D
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It’s not limited to who you can relate to, but who is entertaining enough for you to watch.
Vince is a billionaire. And notwithstanding my own 7 figure income bracket as a standard Getbigger, I still cannot relate to him, but I always enjoyed his character on TV. ;)
When he was the commentator he didn't bring that whole Mr. McMahon billionaire act. I think he was one of the best though. As for JR and King. I don't like y'all. I'm from NY I don't do y'all. Y'all isn't something we say here. We don't wear Cowboy hats here. JR targets one crowd of people. Southeners. Same with the King. No it doesn't make me watch the show less. But they are definitely directed towards Southeners.
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When he was the commentator he didn't bring that whole Mr. McMahon billionaire act. I think he was one of the best though. As for JR and King. I don't like y'all. I'm from NY I don't do y'all. Y'all isn't something we say here. We don't wear Cowboy hats here. JR targets one crowd of people. Southeners. Same with the King. No it doesn't make me watch the show less. But they are definitely directed towards Southeners.
It's interesting how you see this, with them being directed towards southerners. I'm in the UK, and it doesn't bother me how they talk. They're just talking, and I'm just listening, but maybe that's due to me not recognising the different accents across America as much.
Although, I hate the term y'all. It always reminds me of the rednecks from Simpsons!
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Hey, I make 7 figures too ;D
Great!
Let's go bowling and have high-priced prostitutes pay US for having sex.
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When he was the commentator he didn't bring that whole Mr. McMahon billionaire act. I think he was one of the best though. As for JR and King. I don't like y'all. I'm from NY I don't do y'all. Y'all isn't something we say here. We don't wear Cowboy hats here. JR targets one crowd of people. Southeners. Same with the King. No it doesn't make me watch the show less. But they are definitely directed towards Southeners.
You do raise a very good point here. J.R being from oaklahoma and King being from Tenessee. Lol..."ya'll"..... :) We find that kind of talk here in Toronto a joke.
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You do raise a very good point here. J.R being from oaklahoma and King being from Tenessee. Lol..."ya'll"..... :) We find that kind of talk here in Toronto a joke.
To me the entire package known as WWE is a mess. They need someone to give interviews like Mean Gene used to. Just one title for every division. And most importantly. Bring the soap opera theatrics back in. It's a simple formula that they lost long ago. Slow the pace down.
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To me the entire package known as WWE is a mess. They need someone to give interviews like Mean Gene used to. Just one title for every division. And most importantly. Bring the soap opera theatrics back in. It's a simple formula that they lost long ago. Slow the pace down.
They also need to wrestle more. Too much talk. Ring entrances take for ever. Watch Randy Orton go to the ring.....it takes him 10 minutes to get there. The 90's attitude era rocked. Who will ever forget Austin diving off a zamboini onto Vince? Or Austin hitting Vince over the head with a bed pan? Or the rock with his classic one liners / catchphrases? Too bad...we'll never see that again.
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You do raise a very good point here. J.R being from oaklahoma and King being from Tenessee. Lol..."ya'll"..... :) We find that kind of talk here in Toronto a joke.
then ya'll need to stay out of the south..... ;D
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They also need to wrestle more. Too much talk. Ring entrances take for ever. Watch Randy Orton go to the ring.....it takes him 10 minutes to get there. The 90's attitude era rocked. Who will ever forget Austin diving off a zamboini onto Vince? Or Austin hitting Vince over the head with a bed pan? Or the rock with his classic one liners / catchphrases? Too bad...we'll never see that again.
The ring talk is what my least favorite part is. Plus John Cena and the misuse of Gail Kim. Those are other issues though. They need someone to navigate the interviews and really make it more professional. Someone to put fuel on the fire. Make it more dramatic like Gene did. Keep the interviews outside of the ring and make use of the stadium. They're trying so hard to push Orton but it's not working. Youngest Champ ever. Wrestled Hogan. Wrestled Flair. Undertaker at Mania. All that controversy with the Macs and HHH. He still hasn't crossed over to Superstardom or became Legendary. Sure the show is all about Orton. But he's not in our hearts.
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The ring talk is what my least favorite part is. Plus John Cena and the misuse of Gail Kim. Those are other issues though. They need someone to navigate the interviews and really make it more professional. Someone to put fuel on the fire. Make it more dramatic like Gene did. Keep the interviews outside of the ring and make use of the stadium. They're trying so hard to push Orton but it's not working. Youngest Champ ever. Wrestled Hogan. Wrestled Flair. Undertaker at Mania. All that controversy with the Macs and HHH. He still hasn't crossed over to Superstardom or became Legendary. Sure the show is all about Orton. But he's not in our hearts.
I totally agree with you there.
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The ring talk is what my least favorite part is. Plus John Cena and the misuse of Gail Kim. Those are other issues though. They need someone to navigate the interviews and really make it more professional. Someone to put fuel on the fire. Make it more dramatic like Gene did. Keep the interviews outside of the ring and make use of the stadium. They're trying so hard to push Orton but it's not working. Youngest Champ ever. Wrestled Hogan. Wrestled Flair. Undertaker at Mania. All that controversy with the Macs and HHH. He still hasn't crossed over to Superstardom or became Legendary. Sure the show is all about Orton. But he's not in our hearts.
I agree. In-ring promos are usually awful. I'll take the back and forth with an announcer any day of the week.
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Vince is making a nice chunk of change with the “Classics” era stuff, which to me is a clear indication that fans still love that period.
Wonder if he’ll take the hint and try to make today’s product a little bit more like that.
I’m sure the handful of us here aren’t the only ones who feel this way.
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Vince is making a nice chunk of change with the “Classics” era stuff, which to me is a clear indication that fans still love that period.
Wonder if he’ll take the hint and try to make today’s product a little bit more like that.
I’m sure the handful of us here aren’t the only ones who feel this way.
Almost everybody I talk to who is old enough to remember that era prefers it. Seems to me that since there aren't any regional promotions anymore, vince could brand a different fed as more "throwback." Not the half-ass effort he has put into ECW, but rather a promotion set in the south or midwest that is more of a traditional style of wrestling. ECW looks way too much like WWE. All that type of promotion really needs is exposure thru a weekly show, Saturday night/evening is perfect in most markets where TV shows are garbage anyway in that time slot. With the massive amount of wealth, it's not like he couldn't and I think it would make money. Why not is my question to him?