Common sense and party politics

[240 is Back]

If the leader of your party proposed something you considered completely silly, would you defend it anyway, because "He's your guy"?

or would you admit it's a terrible idea, and that your candidate isn't always correct?

[Hugo Chavez]

I admit that it's a terrible idea...


example: I... am... not... at... all... pleased... that... not... one... single... dem... put... out... a... helping... hand... to... agents... Ramos... and... Compean... I support the republicans who did...  Thank god someone is...

I'm disgusted with that choice...

[240 is Back]

Agreed.  Neither party is perfect.   Sometimes people hear criticisms and their answer is to attack the opposite party instead of admitting their flaws and talking solutions.

I don't trust people like that.  If they won't admit flaws, they certainly won't admit mistakes.  And you can't improve if you can't admit mistakes.

[BRUCE]

I admit that it's a terrible idea...


example: I... am... not... at... all... pleased... that... not... one... single... dem... put... out... a... helping... hand... to... agents... Ramos... and... Compean... I support the republicans who did...  Thank god someone is...

I'm disgusted with that choice...

Can you list the policies enacted by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela you disagree with?

[240 is Back]

Can you list the policies enacted by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela you disagree with?

quality question!

[OKMike]

I would admit that it is an idea that I disagree with. 

[Tre]

If the leader of your party proposed something you considered completely silly, would you defend it anyway, because "He's your guy"?

or would you admit it's a terrible idea, and that your candidate isn't always correct?

Common sense.

[Hugo Chavez]

Can you list the policies enacted by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela you disagree with?

why

[BRUCE]

why

How did I know I wouldn't get a response to that question?

[Hugo Chavez]

ok ok, I'll play... I disagree that Chavez didn't eject the foreign opposition in his country from Venezuela immediately--expelled asap.  Just as I wish more of the foreign influence in our gov was nipped in the ass...


enjoy

[BRUCE]

ok ok, I'll play... I disagree that Chavez didn't eject the foreign opposition in his country from Venezuela immediately--expelled asap.  Just as I wish more of the foreign influence in our gov was nipped in the ass...
enjoy

Thanks for showing everyone why your opinion shouldn't be taken too seriously around here.  And remind me, in which socialist paradise do you currently reside?

[Hugo Chavez]

Thanks for showing everyone why your opinion shouldn't be taken too seriously around here.  And remind me, in which socialist paradise do you currently reside?

I have an apartment provided for me in Iran--freebee...  I have a cozy villa in Venezuela, 375 acre ranch in Wyoming, home in Colorado and a timeshare in Paris... Enjoy

[BRUCE]

I have an apartment provided for me in Iran--freebee...  I have a cozy villa in Venezuela, 375 acre ranch in Wyoming, home in Colorado and a timeshare in Paris... Enjoy

Let me try that again.  Where do you currently reside?

[Hugo Chavez]

Let me try that again.  Where do you currently reside?

I've spent time in Iran and Venezuela and Colorado this month.  Last month was the same, The month before I was in Wyoming for a couple weeks then Venezuala for the rest and wasn't in Iran for the whole month, the month before I was in Wyoming for a week and 3 weeks in Venezuela... The month before I was in Venezuela for 2 weeks 3 days and the rest in Iran.  The month before I was in Colorado all but 6 days in France, 8 that I had to cut short for an business emergency since I have 2 weeks purchased for that time.  Do you want more?

[BRUCE]

I've spent time in Iran and Venezuela and Colorado this month.  Last month was the same, The month before I was in Wyoming for a couple weeks then Venezuala for the rest and wasn't in Iran for the whole month, the month before I was in Wyoming for a week and 3 weeks in Venezuela... The month before I was in Venezuela for 2 weeks 3 days and the rest in Iran.  The month before I was in Colorado all but 6 days in France, 8 that I had to cut short for an business emergency since I have 2 weeks purchased for that time.  Do you want more?

Yes, how do you justify living within the confines of 'The Great Satan' as a supporter of the Chavez dictatorship?

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes, how do you justify living within the confines of 'The Great Satan' as a supporter of the Chavez dictatorship?

Bush is the Devil... Chavez does not have anything against the American People.  His issue is with Bush and Neoliberalism... Enjoy being completely wrong yet again... Chavez doesn't hate Americans, he hates US forgeign policy.  I would have at one time agreed that nobody but Americans have a right to be critical of American policy but since Bush came along with his NWO and started dictating to the world how things will be... they have every right to be critical now... Blame Bush, not me...  So when Chavez says go home gringos, he's saying get your grubby hands out of Venezueala's affairs JUST AS HE SHOULD... Just as many Americans do when they find countries like China or Mexico trying to have direct influence on our policies and government... It is not uncommon to hear Americans say NO, not with our affairs!  Chavez didn't do anything different than doing exactly that...

And, my last justification for being here... I was here before you and I love America and love the constitution and am a real patriot, not a psuedo patriot with United we stand Stickers and plastic flags haning from the family SUV... Oh brother...

Hope that helps

[G o a t b o y]

If the leader of your party proposed something you considered completely silly, would you defend it anyway, because "He's your guy"?

Most of the drones who post on political boards would.  For them, it's not about intelligent and thoughtful debate on the issues, it's about cheering for what they perceive to be "their team".

[G o a t b o y]

... Chavez does not have anything against the American People. 

Chavez is a Marxist nut-job who admires Fidel Castro.

[militarymuscle69]

If the leader of your party proposed something you considered completely silly, would you defend it anyway, because "He's your guy"?

or would you admit it's a terrible idea, and that your candidate isn't always correct?

Sure I would admit it if I thought it was a bad idea. The problem is, if I agree with the idea because of the idea and not the party lines I still get accused of only following party lines. Your question isn't really a valid one. Like if you ask do I think bush fucked up, I would say no because it isn't HIS fault alone. You would say "you only say that because you are a bush lover"

[youandme]

Chavez is a Marxist nut-job who admires Fidel Castro.

"Castro has done good things for Cuba," Colin Powell

[ieffinhatecardio]

Sure I would admit it if I thought it was a bad idea. The problem is, if I agree with the idea because of the idea and not the party lines I still get accused of only following party lines. Your question isn't really a valid one. Like if you ask do I think bush fucked up, I would say no because it isn't HIS fault alone. You would say "you only say that because you are a bush lover"

In your eyes if part of the "fuck up" is his fault did he still "fuck up" or is it an all or nothing situation?

[Hugo Chavez]

Chavez is a Marxist nut-job who admires Fidel Castro.

kinda cool huh

[militarymuscle69]

In your eyes if part of the "f**k up" is his fault did he still "f**k up" or is it an all or nothing situation?

I truly believe that everyone making the decisions are doing so to the best of their ability. The Pres., SECDEF, CJCS, JCS etc. I guarantee that at least 3 of the 4 JCS probably advised Bush that the surge would be worth it. Bush isn't the renegade played out on MSNBC. At the same time, the JCS ask the generals on the ground, they ask the colonels beneath them, they ask the Sergeant Majors and so on. Who gets the blame in the end? The guy at the top. Shit rolls down hill, blame rolls up it. Look at abu ghraib, people blamed Bush and Rumsfeld.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I truly believe that everyone making the decisions are doing so to the best of their ability. The Pres., SECDEF, CJCS, JCS etc. I guarantee that at least 3 of the 4 JCS probably advised Bush that the surge would be worth it. Bush isn't the renegade played out on MSNBC. At the same time, the JCS ask the generals on the ground, they ask the colonels beneath them, they ask the Sergeant Majors and so on. Who gets the blame in the end? The guy at the top. Shit rolls down hill, blame rolls up it. Look at abu ghraib, people blamed Bush and Rumsfeld.

Did you answer my question? If he's responsible for part of the blame is he still to blame or is it all or nothing? And just because you believe he is making decisions to the best of his ability doesn't mean he's not responsible for making mistakes.

[militarymuscle69]

Did you answer my question? If he's responsible for part of the blame is he still to blame or is it all or nothing? And just because you believe he is making decisions to the best of his ability doesn't mean he's not responsible for making mistakes.

I don't think he "fucked up" no. I don't think ANYONE could have done better so I don't consider it fucking up. They are trying things, and if they don't work trying something else. Like I have posted several times. There are no notes from previous wars to consult to see what has worked in the past to combat this type of enemy