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Title: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 19, 2017, 04:30:44 PM
If I'm tracking, this conspiracy involves candidate Trump working with the Russian government to get elected president, then becoming a Russian puppet.  It is the most asinine thing I have heard since 9/11 Troofers claimed the U.S. government conspired with foreign terrorists to attack us on 9/11. 

There are a number of reasons this makes no sense, including Russia conspiring with a candidate who everyone (except for poly on this board) thought was not going to be the nominee, and if he was the nominee would get crushed by Hillary.  Why the heck would Russia conspire with someone who nobody believed had a snowball's chance to win?  If anything, they would have conspired with Hillary, especially given her "seedy ties to Russia."

I have yet to see a shred of evidence proving this conspiracy.   

In any event, if you want to see how kooky otherwise reasonably intelligent people can be when they embrace and push a loony conspiracy theory, watch this interview of Krystal Ball by Tucker Carlson. 

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 19, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
There is no CT THEORY involved with any of the investigations

You're probably confused because Republicans have spent last 8 years making up idiotic CT's about Hillary, Obama, etc..

It's kind of your thing

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Al Doggity on May 19, 2017, 07:52:19 PM
There are a number of reasons this makes no sense, including Russia conspiring with a candidate who everyone (except for poly on this board) thought was not going to be the nominee, and if he was the nominee would get crushed by Hillary.  Why the heck would Russia conspire with someone who nobody believed had a snowball's chance to win?  If anything, they would have conspired with Hillary, especially given her "seedy ties to Russia."



Let's say you're judging a talent competition. You've got two contestants: one a classically trained pianist who's been playing for decades and the other a self-taught pianist who started playing a few weeks ago. Most people are assuming the trained pianist will win. You approach both of them and say "Hey,I can make sure there are some problems with the sound system during the other guy's performance, but you gotta give me half of your prize money." Assuming both want to win equally as badly, who is more likely to reciprocate? The frontrunner or the person who appears not to  have a shot in hell?


Now let's say the trained pianist has said some pretty nasty things about you in the past and you two have a pretty bad relationship. Meanwhile, the underdog pianist has said a lot of flattering things about you. Which of the two contestants would you be more interested in helping: the one with whom you have a bad relationship or the one who has said nothing but kind things about you?


Now let's say you have a small business that hasn't been doing that well lately. If the winner of this contest decided to come by your store and mention it in their victory speech, that could really help you out. Who would be more likely to want to go the extra mile for you? The frontrunner who was probably going to win anyway and doesn't really care for you too much? Or the underdog who probably wouldn't have won without you.

I'm sure your answer is that both are just as likely to take you up on your offer and you probably have some new, bizarre definitions for "pianist", "contest" and "underdog" that prove it, but most people operating in reality would say that there's a clear difference between how receptive each party would be in each configuration because there's a clear difference in how much there is to gain for each party in each configuration. Whatever influence Russia had over the election wasn't a zero sum proposition.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: George Whorewell on May 19, 2017, 09:38:49 PM

Let's say you're judging a talent competition. You've got two contestants: one a classically trained pianist who's been playing for decades and the other a self-taught pianist who started playing a few weeks ago. Most people are assuming the trained pianist will win. You approach both of them and say "Hey,I can make sure there are some problems with the sound system during the other guy's performance, but you gotta give me half of your prize money." Assuming both want to win equally as badly, who is more likely to reciprocate? The frontrunner or the person who appears not to  have a shot in hell?


Now let's say the trained pianist has said some pretty nasty things about you in the past and you two have a pretty bad relationship. Meanwhile, the underdog pianist has said a lot of flattering things about you. Which of the two contestants would you be more interested in helping: the one with whom you have a bad relationship or the one who has said nothing but kind things about you?


Now let's say you have a small business that hasn't been doing that well lately. If the winner of this contest decided to come by your store and mention it in their victory speech, that could really help you out. Who would be more likely to want to go the extra mile for you? The frontrunner who was probably going to win anyway and doesn't really care for you too much? Or the underdog who probably wouldn't have won without you.

I'm sure your answer is that both are just as likely to take you up on your offer and you probably have some new, bizarre definitions for "pianist", "contest" and "underdog" that prove it, but most people operating in reality would say that there's a clear difference between how receptive each party would be in each configuration because there's a clear difference in how much there is to gain for each party in each configuration. Whatever influence Russia had over the election wasn't a zero sum proposition.

What the fuck are you babbling about?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Al Doggity on May 19, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
What the fuck are you babbling about?

You wouldn't understand. Just go back to playing with your legos.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: George Whorewell on May 19, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
You wouldn't understand. Just go back to playing with your legos.

Ok Sanford. I'm glad the poly sci classes your taking at the community college learning annex are elevating your self esteem.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Al Doggity on May 19, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
Ok Sanford. I'm glad the poly sci classes your taking at the community college learning annex are elevating your self esteem.

*You're. Maybe consider enrolling in some classes?  ??? I hear Basic English is helpful for a lot of people.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Nick Danger on May 19, 2017, 10:28:33 PM
*You're. Maybe consider enrolling in some classes?  ??? I hear Basic English is helpful for a lot of people.

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: George Whorewell on May 19, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
*You're. Maybe consider enrolling in some classes?  ??? I hear Basic English is helpful for a lot of people.

 I'm glad my tax dollars taught you how to punctuate conjunctions on an internet message board at 1:30 in the morning. Your mother must be very proud of you.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Al Doggity on May 19, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
I'm glad my tax dollars taught you how to punctuate conjunctions on an internet message board at 1:30 in the morning. Your mother must be very proud of you.

In that case, should I be embarrassed to point out that you're using "conjunctions" when you really mean "contractions"? Or should I wait until after 9 am to bring it up?  ???
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on May 19, 2017, 11:42:01 PM
None of them can even verbalize what they think this collusion actually is.

The irony is they're pretending to be worried about Russia compromising the country, whereas they are the ones doing it themselves.

But fuck, maybe that's exactly what they want  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Mobil on May 20, 2017, 01:29:47 AM
None of them can even verbalize what they think this collusion actually is.

The irony is they're pretending to be worried about Russia compromising the country, whereas they are the ones doing it themselves.

But fuck, maybe that's exactly what they want  :D

Fact Is the democrats made it a goal to stop trump...they have and his own party doesn't like him..we saw it during the mandates to nominate a Republican candidate ....maybe hes on to something  if he's going against the grain ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 20, 2017, 01:49:39 AM
If I'm tracking, this conspiracy involves candidate Trump working with the Russian government to get elected president, then becoming a Russian puppet.  It is the most asinine thing I have heard since 9/11 Troofers claimed the U.S. government conspired with foreign terrorists to attack us on 9/11. 

There are a number of reasons this makes no sense, including Russia conspiring with a candidate who everyone (except for poly on this board) thought was not going to be the nominee, and if he was the nominee would get crushed by Hillary.  Why the heck would Russia conspire with someone who nobody believed had a snowball's chance to win?  If anything, they would have conspired with Hillary, especially given her "seedy ties to Russia."

I have yet to see a shred of evidence proving this conspiracy.   

In any event, if you want to see how kooky otherwise reasonably intelligent people can be when they embrace and push a loony conspiracy theory, watch this interview of Krystal Ball by Tucker Carlson. 



You have a point, however singular it may be.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on May 20, 2017, 02:23:57 AM


I just watched this, the chick has literally no points.

Left is becoming more and more repulsive by the day.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: andreisdaman on May 20, 2017, 05:20:57 AM
It can't be just a CT because the FBI is deeply investigating this.....I'm not saying Trump knew anything but he had a strange group of people that no one had ever heard of SUDDENLY involved in his campaign ALL OF WHOM had either taken money from the Russians or had contacts with Russian operatives.....Flynn.... ..Manafort........Carter Page.......ALL OF WHOM LIED about their contacts with the Russians......

The author of this thread has seriously got his head in the sand............
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on May 20, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
If The Democrats are truly wanting to continue to hitch their trailer to this type of shady reporting it will likely be Trump who benefits long term.

NEWSPAPERS RUNNING STORIES BASED ON SOURCES THEY ADMITTEDLY CAN'T VERIFY

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The common element in nearly all the major New York Times and Washington Post stories about President Donald Trump this week is that they are based on source documents the outlets cannot authenticate, do not possess, admit are partial, and refuse to share.
Friday’s supposed “bombshell” stories follow the same pattern. The Times reports that Trump told the visiting Russians that former FBI director James Comey was a “nut job,” and that firing him had eased “pressure” in his ability to conduct foreign policy — though the Times takes Trump to mean the legal pressure of the investigation. (That spin makes no sense: firing Comey created more pressure, which was so obvious the Russians joked about it.)

The Times describes its source as “a document summarizing the meeting” that was “circulated” (it does not say by whom). The Times does not have the document. An “American official” simply “read quotations” to the Times.

The Post‘s story, which reports that the probe into potential ties between Russia and the Trump campaign has reached “someone close to the president,” cites “people familiar with the matter.” That does not prove the story is untrue, but the sources are so flimsy that there is no way to have confidence in what the Post calls its “revelation.”

Earlier this week, the Post reported that House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told a meeting of fellow House Republican leaders: “I think Putin pays [Trump].” According to those present, the remark was a joke. The Post‘s source was an audio recording of the conversation which it did not have in its actual possession, and which it refuses to share with the public so that people can judge for themselves. The Post did publish a transcript, which it does not appear to have produced itself. The transcript actually supports the claim that McCarthy was joking. The Post‘s reporter has insisted that McCarthy meant his remark to be taken seriously, but refuses to provide the audio.

And the day before that, the Times published the now-infamous story that Trump had “asked” Comey to end the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. The source was purportedly a memorandum that Comey wrote about his recollection of a conversation with Trump. But the Times did not share the memo, and never even saw the document. It merely relied on a Comey “associate” who “read parts of it to a Times reporter.”

These four stories, taken together, are said by the mainstream media to build a powerful case that Trump committed obstruction of justice and may soon face impeachment. But every piece of evidence could be made up or distorted, and there would be no way to know. In the “nut job” case, the White House has not disputed that Trump made the comment, but it may not be able to explain the context, because doing so would mean releasing more details of a classified conversation that touched on “highly classified” national security matters (as the Post reported on Monday.)

In their effort to impugn Trump, the Times and the Post violate the most basic journalistic standards. Publishing parts of a document that you do not possess and cannot verify, and timing the release to cause maximum political damage (right after the president leaves the country), is not investigative journalism. It is political propaganda.

It is the mirror image of what the Los Angeles Times did in April 2008, when it published a story referring to a speech then-State Senator Barack Obama gave at a farewell celebration for radical Palestinian-American academic Rashid Khalidi in 2003. The Times was given a video of the speech, but refused to publish the video. Instead, it offered a mere summary, raising suspicions that the Times had sanitized the event to protect Obama’s presidential campaign.

The pattern is the same, from the Khalidi tape to the “nut job” story. For the elite mainstream media, when it comes to protecting Democrats or attacking Republicans, there are no journalistic standards, no ethics, and no shame.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 20, 2017, 10:07:08 AM
Russia (as well as lots of others) did anything and everything when Obama was in power. They wouldn't want a change in power.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 20, 2017, 11:02:49 AM
It can't be just a CT because the FBI is deeply investigating this.....I'm not saying Trump knew anything but he had a strange group of people that no one had ever heard of SUDDENLY involved in his campaign ALL OF WHOM had either taken money from the Russians or had contacts with Russian operatives.....Flynn.... ..Manafort........Carter Page.......ALL OF WHOM LIED about their contacts with the Russians......

The author of this thread has seriously got his head in the sand............

Andre - for a guy who defended o-twinks telling Medvedez about leniency to negotiate after he election - you have some set of tits complaining now.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on May 20, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
It can't be just a CT because the FBI is deeply investigating this.....I'm not saying Trump knew anything but he had a strange group of people that no one had ever heard of SUDDENLY involved in his campaign ALL OF WHOM had either taken money from the Russians or had contacts with Russian operatives.....Flynn.... ..Manafort........Carter Page.......ALL OF WHOM LIED about their contacts with the Russians......

The author of this thread has seriously got his head in the sand............

Please tell me what you think Russia did, or could have done, that was so malicious.

....... I'll be waiting a very long time for you to come up with something real.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: bigbenchman on May 20, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
We know Hillary and Podesta had more shady deals with the Russians such as the uranium deal etc. We know Hillery committed multiple felonies with her email scandal. We had fast and furious and the irs scandal
Where's the special prosecutor ?? What a fuckin joke
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on May 20, 2017, 07:03:28 PM
We know Hillary and Podesta had more shady deals with the Russians such as the uranium deal etc. We know Hillery committed multiple felonies with her email scandal. We had fast and furious and the irs scandal
Where's the special prosecutor ?? What a fuckin joke

The uranium deal was a deal by a lot of angencies. I think 5 or so.

It wasn't a Hillary or Podesta deal.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 22, 2017, 05:38:51 AM
https://static.theintercept.com/amp/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion.html


"FROM MSNBC POLITICS shows to town hall meetings across the country, the overarching issue for the Democratic Party’s base since Trump’s victory has been Russia, often suffocating attention for other issues. This fixation has persisted even though it has no chance to sink the Trump presidency unless it is proven that high levels of the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Kremlin to manipulate the outcome of the U.S. election — a claim for which absolutely no evidence has thus far been presented.

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence. And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed...."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 01:42:28 PM

Let's say you're judging a talent competition. You've got two contestants: one a classically trained pianist who's been playing for decades and the other a self-taught pianist who started playing a few weeks ago. Most people are assuming the trained pianist will win. You approach both of them and say "Hey,I can make sure there are some problems with the sound system during the other guy's performance, but you gotta give me half of your prize money." Assuming both want to win equally as badly, who is more likely to reciprocate? The frontrunner or the person who appears not to  have a shot in hell?


Now let's say the trained pianist has said some pretty nasty things about you in the past and you two have a pretty bad relationship. Meanwhile, the underdog pianist has said a lot of flattering things about you. Which of the two contestants would you be more interested in helping: the one with whom you have a bad relationship or the one who has said nothing but kind things about you?


Now let's say you have a small business that hasn't been doing that well lately. If the winner of this contest decided to come by your store and mention it in their victory speech, that could really help you out. Who would be more likely to want to go the extra mile for you? The frontrunner who was probably going to win anyway and doesn't really care for you too much? Or the underdog who probably wouldn't have won without you.

I'm sure your answer is that both are just as likely to take you up on your offer and you probably have some new, bizarre definitions for "pianist", "contest" and "underdog" that prove it, but most people operating in reality would say that there's a clear difference between how receptive each party would be in each configuration because there's a clear difference in how much there is to gain for each party in each configuration. Whatever influence Russia had over the election wasn't a zero sum proposition.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.  What the heck did I just read??  A pianist???  If I was a violent person and within arm's length distance I would smack you upside the head for making me read this crap.   >:(

Dealing with the actual real world facts, what is the crime, who committed it, and where is the evidence of this purported crime?  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
What the fuck are you babbling about?

Right? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
None of them can even verbalize what they think this collusion actually is.

The irony is they're pretending to be worried about Russia compromising the country, whereas they are the ones doing it themselves.

But fuck, maybe that's exactly what they want  :D

Exactly.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 22, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
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Truth.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
We know Hillary and Podesta had more shady deals with the Russians such as the uranium deal etc. We know Hillery committed multiple felonies with her email scandal. We had fast and furious and the irs scandal
Where's the special prosecutor ?? What a fuckin joke

Who are the "we" you speak of?  Even you likely don't know these things.  It is like Trump saying, "everyone agrees." It is a total falsity.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 03:16:23 PM
Who are the "we" you speak of?  Even you likely don't know these things.  It is like Trump saying, "everyone agrees." It is a total falsity.

Not really.  Comey himself said Hillary was extremely careless with classified intel.  He then avoided recommending charges because he said she didn't have "intent," which wasn't required.  

Overall, I think "we" when talking about people who believe she mishandled classified intel is any reasonably intelligent person who isn't a Democrat party lackey.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
Not really.  Comey himself said Hillary was extremely careless with classified intel.  He then avoided recommending charges because he said she didn't have "intent," which wasn't required.  

Overall, I think "we" when talking about people who believe she mishandled classified intel is any reasonably intelligent person who isn't a Democrat party lackey.  

Thank you for explaining who is "we ". I can now agree with those comments.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2017, 06:43:00 PM
Thank you for explaining who is "we ". I can now agree with those comments.

No worries.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 22, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Truth.

too bad all those mountains only exist in the imagination of Republicans

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
too bad all those mountains only exist in the imagination of Republicans



Correction: some Republicans. Others are jumping ship, hoping to save the party.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 23, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
too bad all those mountains only exist in the imagination of Republicans



To borrow a phrase from my man Colin Flaherty.....you are in denial, deceit and delusion.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 23, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
There is no CT THEORY involved with any of the investigations

You're probably confused because Republicans have spent last 8 years making up idiotic CT's about Hillary, Obama, etc..

It's kind of your thing



Such as?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 23, 2017, 10:05:49 AM
For someone that was supposed to be a 'Dem Plant" to throw the election to Killary, there sure has been quite a bit of speculation as to him colluding with the Russians to win. The left just can't get it right and continues to get caught in their own lies and whats worse, they don't even realize it. Yes, they're that stupid.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 23, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
Russia (as well as lots of others) did anything and everything when Obama was in power. They wouldn't want a change in power.



Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2017, 10:32:16 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 23, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
For someone that was supposed to be a 'Dem Plant" to throw the election to Killary, there sure has been quite a bit of speculation as to him colluding with the Russians to win. The left just can't get it right and continues to get caught in their own lies and whats worse, they don't even realize it. Yes, they're that stupid.

Personally, I didn't buy the "Dem plant" theory. What seems more likely is that Trump's interests are only in himself. Therefore he's neither a Democrat or a
Republican; he is just Trump....warts, comb-overs and all.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
Good question. 

Gregg Jarrett: What is Robert Mueller investigating (since collusion is not a crime)?
By Gregg Jarrett
Published May 23, 2017
Fox News
 
Robert Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law.  It is a legal impossibility.

As special counsel, Mueller can engage in all manner of spectacular jurisprudential gymnastics.  However, it will not change the fact that colluding with Russia is not, under America’s criminal codes, a crime.  It’s just not there.

Maybe it should be.  Perhaps someday Congress will pass a law criminalizing such conduct in political campaigns.  But for now, there is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election.  Or any election, for that matter.

Why, then, are so many people who are following the Trump-Russia saga under the mistaken impression that collusion is a crime?  Principally, because it is a loaded word with an historic criminal connotation.

“Collusion” became a prominent part of the legal lexicon when Benjamin Harrison occupied the White House and Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890 outlawing collusion in some business practices.  Specifically, price fixing and other anticompetitive activities became a criminal offense under Section 1 of the Act.  Almost overnight, the word “collusion” was converted into a legal pejorative.

But collusion is only criminal in an antitrust setting.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with elections.  Yet that has not stopped politicians, pundits and journalists from either misunderstanding the concept and/or misconstruing its application to the Trump-Russia hysteria that has reached a deafening pitch. 

Both the Department of Justice and the FBI seem equally oblivious.

Mueller’s Marching Orders

Under the law granting him legal authority (28 CFR 600), a special counsel is charged with investigating crimes.  Only crimes.  Nothing else.  He has limited jurisdiction.  Any other wrongdoing uncovered in the investigation which does not rise to the level of a criminal offense cannot even be made public by the special counsel.  That is the law.   

So what crime is Mueller instructed to investigate?  Let take a look.

In his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein directed him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”.

But wait.  If Mueller is supposed to look for evidence of a crime that is not, by legal definition, a crime…then isn’t the special counsel being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable?   Doesn’t the impossibility of his assignment render the exercise futile?  The answer is yes.       

The only conceivable crime is a tangential one.  If it could somehow be shown that someone in the Trump campaign aided and abetted the hacking of the Democratic National Committee or the campaign of Hillary Clinton, then perhaps a criminal charge might be made.  But as Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz told Fox News, “I’m sure that didn’t happen”.

How can he be so sure?  Common sense.  There is no evidence the Trump campaign had the technical expertise to hack anything.  Knowing about a computer theft or even verbally encouraging it is not enough under the law.  It requires an overt act that assists in the commission of the crime.  It appears that no one, including the Trump campaign, even knew about Russia’s hacking efforts until after they were accomplished and made public.

Any Related Matters

Rosenstein’s order to the special counsel authorizes him to investigate “any other matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.”   This is the usual all-encompassing phrase which allows a special counsel to run rampant in an almost limitless direction to dig up dirt on potential targets.   

As I pointed out in a recent column, Mueller’s probe will inevitably morph into an investigation of President Trump’s meeting with James Comey and his subsequent firing of the FBI Director.  Amid partisan accusations of obstruction of justice, the special counsel will surely examine whether the president corruptly attempted to influence, obstruct, or impede the due administration of the law, as the law defines it.  (18 USC 1501)

If the president told Comey he hopes former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn can be cleared because “he’s a good guy,” it is not enough to sustain an obstruction charge.  Hoping or wishing for an outcome is not the same as influencing, obstructing or impeding.  Nor is firing the FBI Director.  As Comey himself admitted, the president has the constitutional authority to fire him for any reason or no reason at all.

Furthermore, the term “corruptly” is specifically defined under18 USC 1515(b) as “acting with an improper purpose, including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information.”  The president’s actions do not come close to satisfying the requirements of acting corruptly.

The most recent accusation is that President Trump asked two of his top intelligence officials, Daniel Coats and Adm. Michael Rogers, to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.  If Rogers and Coats had no such evidence of collusion, then asking them to tell the truth is not illegal.  But at this point, we do not know what exactly occurred during those alleged conversations.

What we do know is that collusion in a political campaign is not, by itself, a crime.

How, then, is it possible to obstruct the investigation of a crime… which is not a crime?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/23/gregg-jarrett-what-is-robert-mueller-investigating-since-collusion-is-not-crime.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 23, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
Good question. 

Gregg Jarrett: What is Robert Mueller investigating (since collusion is not a crime)?
By Gregg Jarrett
Published May 23, 2017
Fox News
 
Robert Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law.  It is a legal impossibility.

As special counsel, Mueller can engage in all manner of spectacular jurisprudential gymnastics.  However, it will not change the fact that colluding with Russia is not, under America’s criminal codes, a crime.  It’s just not there.

Maybe it should be.  Perhaps someday Congress will pass a law criminalizing such conduct in political campaigns.  But for now, there is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election.  Or any election, for that matter.

Why, then, are so many people who are following the Trump-Russia saga under the mistaken impression that collusion is a crime?  Principally, because it is a loaded word with an historic criminal connotation.

“Collusion” became a prominent part of the legal lexicon when Benjamin Harrison occupied the White House and Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890 outlawing collusion in some business practices.  Specifically, price fixing and other anticompetitive activities became a criminal offense under Section 1 of the Act.  Almost overnight, the word “collusion” was converted into a legal pejorative.

But collusion is only criminal in an antitrust setting.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with elections.  Yet that has not stopped politicians, pundits and journalists from either misunderstanding the concept and/or misconstruing its application to the Trump-Russia hysteria that has reached a deafening pitch. 

Both the Department of Justice and the FBI seem equally oblivious.

Mueller’s Marching Orders

Under the law granting him legal authority (28 CFR 600), a special counsel is charged with investigating crimes.  Only crimes.  Nothing else.  He has limited jurisdiction.  Any other wrongdoing uncovered in the investigation which does not rise to the level of a criminal offense cannot even be made public by the special counsel.  That is the law.   

So what crime is Mueller instructed to investigate?  Let take a look.

In his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein directed him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”.

But wait.  If Mueller is supposed to look for evidence of a crime that is not, by legal definition, a crime…then isn’t the special counsel being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable?   Doesn’t the impossibility of his assignment render the exercise futile?  The answer is yes.       

The only conceivable crime is a tangential one.  If it could somehow be shown that someone in the Trump campaign aided and abetted the hacking of the Democratic National Committee or the campaign of Hillary Clinton, then perhaps a criminal charge might be made.  But as Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz told Fox News, “I’m sure that didn’t happen”.

How can he be so sure?  Common sense.  There is no evidence the Trump campaign had the technical expertise to hack anything.  Knowing about a computer theft or even verbally encouraging it is not enough under the law.  It requires an overt act that assists in the commission of the crime.  It appears that no one, including the Trump campaign, even knew about Russia’s hacking efforts until after they were accomplished and made public.

Any Related Matters

Rosenstein’s order to the special counsel authorizes him to investigate “any other matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.”   This is the usual all-encompassing phrase which allows a special counsel to run rampant in an almost limitless direction to dig up dirt on potential targets.   

As I pointed out in a recent column, Mueller’s probe will inevitably morph into an investigation of President Trump’s meeting with James Comey and his subsequent firing of the FBI Director.  Amid partisan accusations of obstruction of justice, the special counsel will surely examine whether the president corruptly attempted to influence, obstruct, or impede the due administration of the law, as the law defines it.  (18 USC 1501)

If the president told Comey he hopes former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn can be cleared because “he’s a good guy,” it is not enough to sustain an obstruction charge.  Hoping or wishing for an outcome is not the same as influencing, obstructing or impeding.  Nor is firing the FBI Director.  As Comey himself admitted, the president has the constitutional authority to fire him for any reason or no reason at all.

Furthermore, the term “corruptly” is specifically defined under18 USC 1515(b) as “acting with an improper purpose, including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information.”  The president’s actions do not come close to satisfying the requirements of acting corruptly.

The most recent accusation is that President Trump asked two of his top intelligence officials, Daniel Coats and Adm. Michael Rogers, to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.  If Rogers and Coats had no such evidence of collusion, then asking them to tell the truth is not illegal.  But at this point, we do not know what exactly occurred during those alleged conversations.

What we do know is that collusion in a political campaign is not, by itself, a crime.

How, then, is it possible to obstruct the investigation of a crime… which is not a crime?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/23/gregg-jarrett-what-is-robert-mueller-investigating-since-collusion-is-not-crime.html

sounds good to me

remember Ken Starr was investigating Whitewater and Repubs ended up impeaching Clinton for lying about getting a blow job so I KNOW they have no problem with a special counsel going off in any direction in search of an impeachable offense

And thanks to Republicans they set the bar pretty low too. 

Good job

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 23, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
For someone that was supposed to be a 'Dem Plant" to throw the election to Killary, there sure has been quite a bit of speculation as to him colluding with the Russians to win. The left just can't get it right and continues to get caught in their own lies and whats worse, they don't even realize it. Yes, they're that stupid.

of course there was zero evidence that he was a Dem Plant

No evidence so far of collusion though lots of claims by intelligence officials of communication/contact between Trump Team and Russia and also claims by multiple intelligence agencies that Russia (or as Trump calls it "Rusher") interfered in our election

Mike Flynn is allegedly going to take the fifth amendment which, according to Mike Flynn's own words "means you probably committed a crime"

Certainly worthy of investigating to find out what the heck is going on
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2017, 05:39:46 PM
Funny headline.  The MSM once again not even trying to hide their bias.

Calculating or naive? Trump caught in cloud of Russia probe revelations
By Stephen Collinson, CNN
Tue May 23, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-russia-comey-coats-rogers/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on May 23, 2017, 05:50:19 PM
Funny headline.  The MSM once again not even trying to hide their bias.

Calculating or naive? Trump caught in cloud of Russia probe revelations
By Stephen Collinson, CNN
Tue May 23, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-russia-comey-coats-rogers/index.html

LOL it's cnn

won't read.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 24, 2017, 07:15:20 AM
Correction: some Republicans. Others are jumping ship, hoping to save the party.
Those jumping ship are sinking the party/where never on the ship to begin with. They are destroying their own party by revealing they are democrats. It is nearing a one party system. The elections have shown that we do not agree with their agenda. Republicans jumping to that side=losing elections because no point in voting them in.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on May 24, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
Not really.  Comey himself said Hillary was extremely careless with classified intel.  He then avoided recommending charges because he said she didn't have "intent," which wasn't required.  

Overall, I think "we" when talking about people who believe she mishandled classified intel is any reasonably intelligent person who isn't a Democrat party lackey.  

Obviously, Hildabeast and hubby slick Willy have pulled some shady shit.
To me the worst was when Bill boarded the plane to talk to AG Lynch as Hillary was being investigated.

BUT, her crooked crap doesn't make Trump less crooked on the Russia collusion.

It's like me saying I have a good record on marital success because Trump's been married 3 times. ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
In case anyone's missed it, here is a general description of the main foothold being used for this cliff-climbing trek.  Posted last night, by Time.

Quote
In May 2016, a Russian military intelligence officer talked too much. Boasting to a colleague, he said that his organization, known as the GRU, was getting ready to cause chaos in the upcoming U.S. presidential election. The officer was “bragging about the systematic attempt... to cause chaos into our electoral cycle,” a senior U.S. intelligence official told TIME for the magazine's current cover story on the Russian operation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 24, 2017, 10:11:21 AM
In case anyone's missed it, here is a general description of the main foothold being used for this cliff-climbing trek.  Posted last night, by Time.


great job posting the link so we can read the entire article
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 10:19:25 AM
great job posting the link so we can read the entire article

Look, man.  It's very simple.

Copy and paste that into any search engine and you can see not only the original (from Time) but all analysis to go with it from all sources.

Do that with anything you read on this board or any other.  I recommend you get into that habit, since it will broaden your horizons (which you badly need).
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 24, 2017, 10:25:06 AM
Look, man.  It's very simple.

Copy and paste that into any search engine and you can see not only the original (from Time) but all analysis to go with it from all sources.

Do that with anything you read on this board or any other.  I recommend you get into that habit, since it will broaden your horizons (which you badly need).

even more simple

when you post a quote also post a link to the source

you're already there at the source copying your quote so just copy the link too

I'm going to assume you pulled a quote out of context thus totally meaningless

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
even more simple

when you post a quote also post a link to the source

you're already there at the source copying your quote so just copy the link too

I'm going to assume you pulled a quote out of context thus totally meaningless



It's their own introductory paragraph.  You should recognize that without trouble.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 24, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
It's their own introductory paragraph.  You should recognize that without trouble.

can't be bothered

again less work for you to post the link since you're already there copying the quote

just going to assume you pulled it out of context for some reason

I know everyone here ignores the rules, including the Mods most of the time

Quote
Forum Rules:

Quoting Sources:  If your thread or post uses material created from another source, you must provide a link to the source.  Do not post full articles; only copy a portion of the source material with a link to read the rest.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 10:58:49 AM
can't be bothered

again less work for you to post the link since you're already there copying the quote

just going to assume you pulled it out of context for some reason

I know everyone here ignores the rules, including the Mods most of the time


Of course you will.  That's the problem.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on May 24, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cth7ELAVUAEoRzG.jpg:large)

Yes, the Hillary email scandal LOOKED bad , and it was investigated.
Like it or not , it didn't rise to the level of a criminal act.


Now, the dems are chomping at the bit to nail Trump on Russian collusion or obstruction of justice.
So far, it looks bad and it's being investigated.
Despite all the media coverage, we've got a ways to go before Trump's declared guilty of a crime.

The founding fathers set the standard high before we convict a sec of state or impeach & convict a President .

I suggest every American  remember THAT, before they rush to judgment.


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 11:10:50 AM
And BTW, I did link it with the mention of Time.  I met the definition of that word.

But if you think I'm going to give even a hint of some endorsement or support for one of the worst offenders in MSM (Time) you can think again.  And you shouldn't accept Time's version of anything, as being the whole story or even vaguely the truth.  Put in the effort or don't bother reading any of it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 24, 2017, 11:40:43 AM
Yes, the Hillary email scandal LOOKED bad , and it was investigated.
Like it or not , it didn't rise to the level of a criminal act.


Now, the dems are chomping at the bit to nail Trump on Russian collusion or obstruction of justice.
So far, it looks bad and it's being investigated.
Despite all the media coverage, we've got a ways to go before Trump's declared guilty of a crime.

The founding fathers set the standard high before we convict a sec of state or impeach & convict a President .

I suggest every American  remember THAT, before they rush to judgment.




She lied to congress, that in itself is a crime. We can start there.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2017, 12:50:53 PM
Obviously, Hildabeast and hubby slick Willy have pulled some shady shit.
To me the worst was when Bill boarded the plane to talk to AG Lynch as Hillary was being investigated.

BUT, her crooked crap doesn't make Trump less crooked on the Russia collusion.

It's like me saying I have a good record on marital success because Trump's been married 3 times. ;D

What "Russia collusion" are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
LOL it's cnn

won't read.

I'm on CNN's site all the time.  One of the ways you can determine how biased and dishonest the media is, is by reading what they put out as news.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2017, 12:54:47 PM
Yes, the Hillary email scandal LOOKED bad , and it was investigated.
Like it or not , it didn't rise to the level of a criminal act.


Now, the dems are chomping at the bit to nail Trump on Russian collusion or obstruction of justice.
So far, it looks bad and it's being investigated
.
Despite all the media coverage, we've got a ways to go before Trump's declared guilty of a crime.


Again, what "Russian collusion" are you talking about?

What "obstruction of justice" are you talking about?

How can something "look bad" if you cannot identify a crime, who committed it, or the purported evidence showing a crime was committed? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 24, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
Of course you will.  That's the problem.

what else should I do since you couldn't be bothered to post a link even though you were right there copying the  text

I went here (www.time.com (ftp://www.time.com))and didn't see it so I have to assume you took it out of context and didn't post the link for some reason

good work

I did find this link on their home page
Poll: 54% of Americans Believe President Trump Is Abusing His Power
http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage (ftp://http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage)

see how easy it is to post a link
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on May 24, 2017, 02:05:03 PM
I'm on CNN's site all the time.  One of the ways you can determine how biased and dishonest the media is, is by reading what they put out as news.  

very true, even more so for Faux News

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 24, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
what else should I do since you couldn't be bothered to post a link even though you were right there copying the  text

I went here (www.time.com (ftp://www.time.com))and didn't see it so I have to assume you took it out of context and didn't post the link for some reason

good work

I did find this link on their home page
Poll: 54% of Americans Believe President Trump Is Abusing His Power
http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage (ftp://http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage)

see how easy it is to post a link

Specifically how is he abusing his power? Do you think Obama abused his power?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on May 24, 2017, 05:01:02 PM
what else should I do since you couldn't be bothered to post a link even though you were right there copying the  text

I went here (www.time.com (ftp://www.time.com))and didn't see it so I have to assume you took it out of context and didn't post the link for some reason

good work

I did find this link on their home page
Poll: 54% of Americans Believe President Trump Is Abusing His Power
http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage (ftp://http://time.com/4792782/donald-trump-quinnipiac-poll-abusing-power-james-comey/?xid=homepage)

see how easy it is to post a link

I can't believe you today.  Good weed??

Those words call Time as the first result.  That's what I'm telling you.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 31, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Here is an interdasting read from the AP:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_CZECH_US_RUSSIAN_HACKER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-30-14-55-17 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_CZECH_US_RUSSIAN_HACKER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-30-14-55-17)




Most Notably:

Quote
Nikulin's defense lawyers have said the U.S. charges were based on one FBI agent, and suggested the U.S. was seeking him for political reasons - to use him as a pawn in the investigation into alleged Russian hacking in the U.S. election.

He claimed in the courtroom that he was twice approached by U.S. authorities - in November and in February - in the absence of his previous lawyer. He said they urged him to falsely testify that he was cooperating in the hacking attack on the Democratic National Committee ordered by Russian authorities. He said U.S. authorities would, in exchange, give him money and a life in the United States.

"I rejected doing it," Nikulin said.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2017, 12:05:10 PM
Hard to imagine how you Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theorists could look any worse, but today was obviously not a good day for you.

Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong
By Alan Dershowitz
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News
 
In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available:  the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute.  The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.                     

As a matter of law, Comey is 100 percent correct.  As I have long argued, and as Comey confirmed in his written statement, our history shows that many presidents—from Adams to Jefferson, to Lincoln, to Roosevelt, to Kennedy, to Bush 1, and to Obama – have directed the Justice Department with regard to ongoing investigations. The history is clear, the precedents are clear, the constitutional structure is clear, and common sense is clear.

Yet virtually every Democratic pundit, in their haste to “get” President Trump, has willfully ignored these realities.  In doing so they have endangered our civil liberties and constitutional rights.

Now that even former Director Comey has acknowledged that the Constitution would permit the president to direct the Justice Department and the FBI in this matter, let us put the issue of obstruction of justice behind us once and for all and focus on the political, moral, and other non-criminal aspects of President Trump’s conduct.

Comey’s testimony was devastating with regard to President Trump’s credibility – at least as Comey sees it.  He was also critical of President Trump’s failure to observe the recent tradition of FBI independence from presidential influence.  These are issues worth discussing but they have been distorted by the insistence of Democratic pundits that Trump must have committed a crime because they disagree with what he did politically.

Director Comey’s testimony was thoughtful, coherent and balanced.  He is obviously angry with President Trump, and his anger has influenced his assessment of the president and his actions.  But even putting that aside, Comey has provided useful insights into the ongoing investigations.

I was disappointed to learn that Comey used a Columbia law professor as a go-between to provide information to the media.  He should have has the courage to do it himself.  Senators must insist that he disclose the name of his go-between so that they can subpoena his memos and perhaps subpoena the professor-friend to provide further information.

I write this short op-ed as Comey finishes his testimony. I think it is important to put to rest the notion that there was anything criminal about the president exercising his constitutional power to fire Comey and to request – “hope” – that he let go the investigation of General Flynn. Just as the president would have had the constitutional power to pardon Flynn and thus end the criminal investigation of him, he certainly had the authority to request the director of the FBI to end his investigation of Flynn.

So let’s move on and learn all the facts regarding the Russian efforts to intrude on American elections without that investigation being impeded by frivolous efforts to accuse President Trump of committing a crime by exercising his constitutional authority.


Alan M. Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus and author of Taking the Stand: My Life in the Law and Electile Dysfunction.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/dershowitz-comey-confirms-that-im-right-and-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
Great point by Rubio.  Comey leaked info to protect himself, but wouldn't leak info saying Trump was not under investigation.  A dirtbag move.  I've lost respect for this guy. 

Rubio to Comey: Only Thing Not Leaked Is That POTUS Was Not Under Investigation
Jun 08, 2017 // 1:09pm

Judge Nap: Mueller Will Conduct 'Interrogation' Under Oath of Pres. Trump

Comey Says He Asked Friend to Share Memos on Trump Talks With Reporter

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) questioned former FBI Director James Comey on why there have been no leaks from inside the government about the fact that President Trump is not personally under investigation.

Earlier in the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, Comey said Trump did not ask him to end the Russia investigation as a whole. He also said he believed he was fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation.

Rubio marveled at how many leaks have occurred during the Trump-Russia investigation, saying "we've learned more from the newspapers sometimes than we do from our open hearings."

"Do you ever wonder why, of all the things in this investigation, the only thing that's never been leaked is the fact that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the fact that Democrats and Republicans and the leadership of Congress knew that and have known that for weeks?" he asked.

 Dan Scavino Jr. ✔ @DanScavino
Because if it was leaked that @realDonaldTrump was personally not under investigation- it would have crushed the entire narrative.
5:42 AM - 8 Jun 2017 · Washington, DC
  3,663 3,663 Retweets   6,342 6,342 likes

Comey answered that classified briefings to Congress on such matters are "pretty tightly held."

Watch the clip above.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/08/marco-rubio-comey-hearing-why-didnt-it-leak-trump-not-under-investigation
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on June 08, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
Great point by Rubio.  Comey leaked info to protect himself, but wouldn't leak info saying Trump was not under investigation.  A dirtbag move.  I've lost respect for this guy. 

Rubio to Comey: Only Thing Not Leaked Is That POTUS Was Not Under Investigation
Jun 08, 2017 // 1:09pm

Judge Nap: Mueller Will Conduct 'Interrogation' Under Oath of Pres. Trump

Comey Says He Asked Friend to Share Memos on Trump Talks With Reporter

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) questioned former FBI Director James Comey on why there have been no leaks from inside the government about the fact that President Trump is not personally under investigation.

Earlier in the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, Comey said Trump did not ask him to end the Russia investigation as a whole. He also said he believed he was fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation.

Rubio marveled at how many leaks have occurred during the Trump-Russia investigation, saying "we've learned more from the newspapers sometimes than we do from our open hearings."

"Do you ever wonder why, of all the things in this investigation, the only thing that's never been leaked is the fact that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the fact that Democrats and Republicans and the leadership of Congress knew that and have known that for weeks?" he asked.

 Dan Scavino Jr. ✔ @DanScavino
Because if it was leaked that @realDonaldTrump was personally not under investigation- it would have crushed the entire narrative.
5:42 AM - 8 Jun 2017 · Washington, DC
  3,663 3,663 Retweets   6,342 6,342 likes

Comey answered that classified briefings to Congress on such matters are "pretty tightly held."

Watch the clip above.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/08/marco-rubio-comey-hearing-why-didnt-it-leak-trump-not-under-investigation

If Comey admitted, under oath, that he leaked information, some of which might have been classified, possibly as a means of retaliation, why is he not prosecuted and/or jailed? The agency he used to head investigates and arrests many people for such offenses or for minor crimes. Was he "extremely careless" like Hillary and therefore exempt from the law?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2017, 12:29:59 PM
If Comey admitted, under oath, that he leaked information, some of which might have been classified, possibly as a means of retaliation, why is he not prosecuted and/or jailed? The agency he used to head investigates and arrests many people for such offenses or for minor crimes. Was he "extremely careless" like Hillary and therefore exempt from the law?

Right?  I think he screwed himself.  What a dummy.  He should have stayed on the high road and he would have looked much better. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on June 08, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
Great point by Rubio.  Comey leaked info to protect himself, but wouldn't leak info saying Trump was not under investigation.  A dirtbag move.  I've lost respect for this guy. 

Rubio to Comey: Only Thing Not Leaked Is That POTUS Was Not Under Investigation
Jun 08, 2017 // 1:09pm

Judge Nap: Mueller Will Conduct 'Interrogation' Under Oath of Pres. Trump

Comey Says He Asked Friend to Share Memos on Trump Talks With Reporter

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) questioned former FBI Director James Comey on why there have been no leaks from inside the government about the fact that President Trump is not personally under investigation.

Earlier in the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, Comey said Trump did not ask him to end the Russia investigation as a whole. He also said he believed he was fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation.

Rubio marveled at how many leaks have occurred during the Trump-Russia investigation, saying "we've learned more from the newspapers sometimes than we do from our open hearings."

"Do you ever wonder why, of all the things in this investigation, the only thing that's never been leaked is the fact that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the fact that Democrats and Republicans and the leadership of Congress knew that and have known that for weeks?" he asked.

 Dan Scavino Jr. ✔ @DanScavino
Because if it was leaked that @realDonaldTrump was personally not under investigation- it would have crushed the entire narrative.
5:42 AM - 8 Jun 2017 · Washington, DC
  3,663 3,663 Retweets   6,342 6,342 likes

Comey answered that classified briefings to Congress on such matters are "pretty tightly held."

Watch the clip above.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/08/marco-rubio-comey-hearing-why-didnt-it-leak-trump-not-under-investigation
Should have shut the thing down after Rubio was done.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 08, 2017, 01:28:21 PM
What's next?
(https://i.redd.it/lkwayqrb2h2z.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2017, 08:12:50 PM
Gregg Jarrett: Comey exonerates Trump – so much for obstruction
By Gregg Jarrett
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News
 
James Comey’s public testimony exonerates President Trump of obstruction of justice.

To put it simply, “hoping” that something happens is not a crime.  The law demands much more than that.  Felony obstruction requires that the person seeking to obstruct a law enforcement investigation act “corruptly.”  The statute specifically defines what that includes:  threats, lies, bribes, destruction of documents, and altering or concealing evidence.  None of that is alleged by Comey.

Instead, the fired FBI Director recounts how President Trump expressed compassion for the man he dismissed as his National Security Adviser, calling Michael Flynn “a good guy” who “has been through a lot.”  Comey agreed.  Then the president said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

The president’s statement is not an order or mandate.  It is not even a “request,” though Comey insists he understood it to be.  But even if we construe it as such, it is not enough to constitute obstruction.  Not even close.  There must be a “corrupt” act that accompanies the directive.

For example, if the president had said, “Bury whatever incriminating evidence you have, exonerate Flynn, and terminate the investigation of him entirely… or I will fire you.”  That is, arguably, obstruction.  It includes two corrupt elements –a threat and concealing evidence.  However, this is not what happened.

Comey knows all this.  Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho, posed the key question: “Do you know of any case in which someone has been charged with obstruction based on the word ‘hope’?”  Comey answered, “I don’t.”  On that point, Comey is correct.

Hoping or wishing for an outcome bears no resemblance to the crime of obstruction as defined not just by statute, but by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2005 case of Arthur Anderson v. United States.

Intelligence Committee Chairman, Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., asked Comey quite directly, “Was the president trying to obstruct justice?”  As expected, Comey demurred by claiming, “It’s not for me to say.”  While there is no legal basis for declining to answer the pivotal question, Comey dodged it for a reason.  If he said, under oath, that he regarded the president’s words as obstruction, Comey would have incriminated himself in a crime known as “misprision of felony.”

As explained in an earlier column, the law imposes an affirmative duty on federal officials, like Comey, to immediately report knowledge of a felony such as obstruction to a person in authority.  In the case of an FBI Director, his superior is the Assistant Attorney General at the Department of Justice.  Comey admitted he did not tell anyone at DOJ.  His excuses were legally vacuous.

Thus, one can conclude that Comey either did not believe the president obstructed justice (and, therefore, had no duty to report it) or he did not want to put himself in legal jeopardy.

Comey was pressed on the issue.  Unbelievably, he claimed he did not know whether FBI agents have a duty to report a crime that has been committed:

Question:  “You’re unsure whether they would have a legal duty?”

Answer: “That’s a good question.  I’ve not thought about that before.  (pause)  There is a statute that prohibits misprision of a felony -- knowing of a felony and taking steps to conceal it.  But this is a different question.”

No, Mr. Comey, it is not a different question.  It is a fundamental legal obligation for all people who serve in law enforcement.  The head of the FBI should know that.

Regardless, the entire question of obstruction was rendered moot and meaningless by Comey himself when he endorsed what constitutional scholars, including Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, have long maintained.  That is, the president has the constitutional authority to stop investigations and prosecutions.

“I’m not a legal scholar…but as a legal matter, the president is head of the executive branch and could direct, in theory, that anybody be investigated or not be investigated,” admitted Comey.

Comey Leaked His Memo

Obstruction aside, one of the more stunning moments during the hearing came when Comey confessed that he deliberately leaked to “a friend” the contents of the memo memorializing his conversation with Trump… so that it would then be leaked to the media.  Comey said it was his personal property.  Wrong.

Under the Federal Records Act and the FBI’s own Records Management regulations, “any document that is made in the course of business” is the property not of the person who authored it, but the property of the U.S. government.  And so are its contents.  It matters not whether the document, as this one, is unclassified.

Comey improperly and, perhaps, unlawfully leaked a government document involving an FBI investigation.  Comey admitted he did it to prompt the appointment of a special counsel who is now tasked with examining Russia’s interference in the presidential election.  At the very least, Comey violated government rules by converting government property for his own use.  It does not matter, legally, that he was no longer employed by the FBI.  Is it a crime?

Under 18 USC 793 (“Leaking Non-Classified Information”), it is a crime punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment to “willfully communicate or transmit national defense information,” even though it is not classified.  While the contents of the memo do not deal directly with national defense matters, the overall investigation does.  So it is debatable whether Comey could be charged.

If nothing else, Comey’s leak appears to be a rather sleazy tactic designed to harm the president.  How can he justify publicizing his own self-serving narrative while admitting in his testimony that he resisted all attempts by the president to publicize the truth that Trump was not personally under investigation?  He cannot.

It is equally disgraceful that Comey appears to have purposefully written his memo as an unclassified document so that he could later use it to his advantage by leaking it to the public without committing a serious crime.  Making it classified, he told the committee, “would tangle it up.”  In other words, he manipulated the classification system to exploit the political damage his document might cause.

Comey’s testimony did manage to put to rest the constant accusation that President Trump attempted to quash the Russian investigation.  Sen. Burr inquired, “Did the president at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?”  Comey replied, “Not to my understanding, no.”

As anticipated, Comey trashed Trump in a manner that is typical of an angry or disgruntled former employee who lashes out at the boss who fired him.  But his venomous attack seemed shrill and unbecoming of his stature.  He branded Trump a liar and claimed the president “defamed” him when Trump described the FBI as “poorly led and in disarray” under Comey’s leadership.

As a lawyer, Comey well knows that the president was expressing an opinion which is protected speech under the First Amendment.  Hence, it is not defamation at all.  Moreover, truth is a complete defense.  Given Comey’s mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email case, in which he contorted the law and usurped the authority of the Attorney General, the president’s description may be the truth.

And so, the much anticipated Senate Intelligence Committee hearing did not provide what President Trump’s antagonists yearned for – evidence of guilt.

The only guilt rests with the president’s critics, especially many in the media, who have leveled wild and baseless assertions that he committed a crime during his now infamous conversation with the fired FBI Director on February 14th.

Through ignorance and malevolence, they have laid bare their contempt for facts and the law in pursuit of a political mugging.  It’s a shame that is not a crime.

Jails would be overcrowded with politicians and journalists. 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/gregg-jarrett-comey-exonerates-trump-so-much-for-obstruction.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 10, 2017, 10:13:13 AM
If Comey admitted, under oath, that he leaked information, some of which might have been classified, possibly as a means of retaliation, why is he not prosecuted and/or jailed? The agency he used to head investigates and arrests many people for such offenses or for minor crimes. Was he "extremely careless" like Hillary and therefore exempt from the law?

Sending personal journal notes to a law prof when he was a private citizen isn't criminal.
He had been fired from the FBI and was not sending any classified material.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 11:11:55 AM
Sending personal journal notes to a law prof when he was a private citizen isn't criminal.
He had been fired from the FBI and was not sending any classified material.


There you go with the liberal talking points again.  You misstate facts and embellish just like the board's biggest liberal troll.

He wrote memos on FBI letterhead, using a government computer, and shared that information with people in the FBI.  That isn't a "personal journal."  That's government property. 

And his private conversations with the president may or may not be classified, but they certainly should not be leaked to the public. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 12, 2017, 02:13:52 PM
There you go with the liberal talking points again.  You misstate facts and embellish just like the board's biggest liberal troll.

He wrote memos on FBI letterhead, using a government computer, and shared that information with people in the FBI.  That isn't a "personal journal."  That's government property. 

And his private conversations with the president may or may not be classified, but they certainly should not be leaked to the public. 

He also testified about that under oath.

Comey was clear to say he was quite careful to
insure he didn't include any info or names that
would require classification, so they could be used in a
public hearing, if needed.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
He also testified about that under oath.

Comey was clear to say he was quite careful to
insure he didn't include any info or names that
would require classification, so they could be used in a
public hearing, if needed.

Yes he testified about it under oath.  If you know that when are you misrepresenting what he did? 

Not everything that isn't classified should be released to the media.  And he also testified under oath that he leaked his self-serving memos to the press for his own self interest. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 12, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
Yes he testified about it under oath.  If you know that when are you misrepresenting what he did? 

Not everything that isn't classified should be released to the media.  And he also testified under oath that he leaked his self-serving memos to the press for his own self interest. 

This will be settled by those with more legal expertise then us  ;D.

Here's my 2 cents since we are the ones debating on the forum:

1. I think Comey is very credible , honest and careful to operate within the law

2. There may never be actual hard proof that Trump (himself ) colluded with Russia on the election.
I do think Trump's careless ways will bite him in the ass eventually.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
This will be settled by those with more legal expertise then us  ;D.

Here's my 2 cents since we are the ones debating on the forum:

1. I think Comey is very credible , honest and careful to operate within the law

2. There may never be actual hard proof that Trump (himself ) colluded with Russia on the election.
I do think Trump's careless ways will bite him in the ass eventually.

This isn't a debate.  You are spouting ridiculous liberal talking points.  That's about it. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 12, 2017, 04:12:26 PM
This isn't a debate.  You are spouting ridiculous liberal talking points.  That's about it. 

but it's all real in his head!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 12, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
but it's all real in his head!

OK, we'll see who gets the last laugh on this one  ;)

I can wait.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on June 12, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
OK, we'll see who gets the last laugh on this one  ;)

I can wait.

It wouldn't show anything, though, since you haven't made a case.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 05:32:55 PM
but it's all real in his head!

Yep.  Is he suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 05:33:45 PM
OK, we'll see who gets the last laugh on this one  ;)

I can wait.
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It wouldn't show anything, though, since you haven't made a case.



He sure hasn't. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on June 12, 2017, 05:42:45 PM
He sure hasn't. 

I take that back.  He's shown he loves TV and all things MSM, and prefers to believe it.  That's it.

Sorry, Howard, but it's true.  Otherwise you'd be able to explain yourself.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 06:03:01 PM
I take that back.  He's shown he loves TV and all things MSM, and prefers to believe it.  That's it.

Sorry, Howard, but it's true.  Otherwise you'd be able to explain yourself.

Not a lot of independent thinking.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 12, 2017, 06:21:33 PM
Not a lot of independent thinking.

Ok then , despite being a "never Trumper" , I never questioned his
election win and being our rightful President.

I'm rooting for him to really act like the President
and do things to make America great.

to be continued...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 06:25:25 PM
Ok then , despite being a "never Trumper" , I never questioned his
election win and being our rightful President.

I'm rooting for him to really act like the President
and do things to make America great.

to be continued...

Followed by 10 mindless anti-Trump threads.   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on June 12, 2017, 06:29:03 PM
Followed by 10 mindless anti-Trump threads.   ::)

It's the Tony Romo effect. ;D

You want to see the old reliable QB come back and finally
bring glory back to the Cowboys.

But with each game rookie D. Prescott kicks ass
you have to report/focus on reality.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
It's the Tony Romo effect. ;D

You want to see the old reliable QB come back and finally
bring glory back to the Cowboys.

But with each game rookie D. Prescott kicks ass
you have to report/focus on reality.


No, it's you parroting talking points and failing to think independently.  Nothing more complicated than that. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2017, 04:56:21 PM
I don't expect anyone to watch all of this (Sessions testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee), but it was a clown show by democrats.  Cotton was great.  Harris is the newest liberal stooge.  The entire thing was an enormous waste of time and taxpayer money.

No, Sessions did not have meetings with Russian operatives to work on the grand conspiracy to help Trump win the election.   

https://www.c-span.org/video/?429875-1/attorney-general-calls-collusion-accusations-detestable-lie
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 14, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
 :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: whork on June 15, 2017, 02:26:30 AM
Im confused. Are the resident Republicans really saying that Clinton having a private email server is somehow worse than colluding with Russia ???
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 15, 2017, 04:14:32 AM
Im confused. Are the resident Republicans really saying that Clinton having a private email server is somehow worse than colluding with Russia ???

only one person has been proven to have broken a law  ???
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: whork on June 15, 2017, 04:25:52 AM
only one person has been proven to have broken a law  ???


Yes but the ramifications of the Hillary case makes her a stupid bitch that should know better.

The Trump case makes him a traitor.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on June 15, 2017, 06:32:24 AM

Yes but the ramifications of the Hillary case makes her a stupid bitch that should know better.

The Trump case makes him a traitor.


But Hillary being a serial killer/rapist, etc. would be worse then that so there is no point to your post if you want to just make things up.
Yamcha's point stands. You simply cannot make up something on one person and compare it to something that is actually true.

Also, it is being a traitor to do what she did (amongst other dealings).
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on June 15, 2017, 08:56:35 AM
Im confused. Are the resident Republicans really saying that Clinton having a private email server is somehow worse than colluding with Russia ???

The American people see right through your little bullshit scheme.

The mainstream media is dying and are ridiculed and scorned daily.

They simply do not have the power to force Trump out and his counter attacks towards them inflict more damage.

The Democrats will get slaughtered over this dog and pony show they are chasing.

It's pretty much comical at this point.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 15, 2017, 01:30:27 PM
Dershowitz: Findings of Any Wrongdoing by Trump Would Be Moot
By Bill Hoffmann   |   Thursday, 15 Jun 2017

An investigation reportedly launched to determine if President Donald Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice in the FBI's Russia probe might be moot regardless of its conclusions, according to renowned civil-rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz.

The Washington Post cited unnamed officials as confirming that special counsel Robert Mueller is "interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether Trump attempted to obstruct justice."

But Dershowitz, a long-time Harvard Law professor, told Newsmax TV on Thursday:

"The fact that Mueller is opening an investigation on obstruction doesn't answer the two basic questions. One — can a president be indicted while sitting? And two — can a president be indicted for obstruction — which is simply doing his job, being the head of the executive branch?"

"I think the answer to both of these questions is still going to be no and no," Dershowitz told Newsmax.

Trump on Thursday morning called the report a "phony story" and "the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history."

"They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story," he wrote in a post to his personal Twitter account. "Nice."

Dershowitz also told Newsmax he doubts the Democrats and Congress will be able to successfully pursue an obstruction of justice narrative.

"I don't think there's enough there. And I think the objective of the investigation is to uncover, to see if they can uncover enough," Dershowitz said. "There's neither fire nor smoke coming from a constitutional point of view."

He said Mueller, who has reportedly hired experts to weigh in, "is looking to see if there is anything that would justify a prosecution of anybody on the president's [team]."

"I think Trump benefits from the fact that he's hiring experts on a president's power, because I think they'll tell him that the president's power [is legitimate] ending the investigation," Dershowitz said.

He added that the fact Mueller is looking into obstruction of justice is not surprising and has to be viewed in context.

"I think people should not overstate the significance of a special counsel's investigation. That's his job. That's what he's supposed to do. Anything else would've been surprising. I don't think there's anything surprising," Dershowitz said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Dershowitz-Special-Counsel/2017/06/15/id/796267/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on June 15, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
Dershowitz: Findings of Any Wrongdoing by Trump Would Be Moot
By Bill Hoffmann   |   Thursday, 15 Jun 2017

An investigation reportedly launched to determine if President Donald Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice in the FBI's Russia probe might be moot regardless of its conclusions, according to renowned civil-rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz.

The Washington Post cited unnamed officials as confirming that special counsel Robert Mueller is "interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether Trump attempted to obstruct justice."

But Dershowitz, a long-time Harvard Law professor, told Newsmax TV on Thursday:

"The fact that Mueller is opening an investigation on obstruction doesn't answer the two basic questions. One — can a president be indicted while sitting? And two — can a president be indicted for obstruction — which is simply doing his job, being the head of the executive branch?"

"I think the answer to both of these questions is still going to be no and no," Dershowitz told Newsmax.

Trump on Thursday morning called the report a "phony story" and "the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history."

"They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story," he wrote in a post to his personal Twitter account. "Nice."

Dershowitz also told Newsmax he doubts the Democrats and Congress will be able to successfully pursue an obstruction of justice narrative.

"I don't think there's enough there. And I think the objective of the investigation is to uncover, to see if they can uncover enough," Dershowitz said. "There's neither fire nor smoke coming from a constitutional point of view."

He said Mueller, who has reportedly hired experts to weigh in, "is looking to see if there is anything that would justify a prosecution of anybody on the president's [team]."

"I think Trump benefits from the fact that he's hiring experts on a president's power, because I think they'll tell him that the president's power [is legitimate] ending the investigation," Dershowitz said.

He added that the fact Mueller is looking into obstruction of justice is not surprising and has to be viewed in context.

"I think people should not overstate the significance of a special counsel's investigation. That's his job. That's what he's supposed to do. Anything else would've been surprising. I don't think there's anything surprising," Dershowitz said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Dershowitz-Special-Counsel/2017/06/15/id/796267/

Exactly. Complete waste of time.

How many damn "investigations" are we going to have?

It's time to move on as a country!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 15, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
Exactly. Complete waste of time.

How many damn "investigations" are we going to have?

It's time to move on as a country!

Probably just one very long one.  Total waste of time and our money.  This will not end well for Democrats.  They are so dumb.  They have set the bar so low for Trump that all he needs to do is walk and chew gum to be successful.  These wild accusations are also going to make it harder for them to hold Trump accountable if and when he actually does something bad. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on June 15, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
Exactly. Complete waste of time.

How many damn "investigations" are we going to have?

It's time to move on as a country!

I'd still like to know if Trump or any of his surrogates colluded with the Russians during the election or prior to him taking office.

I say we have at least as many as we had for Benghazi and they should last just a long.
I'm sure Republicans can't see any problem with that

BTW - Trump may lie under oath (if he follows through which his pledge to testify) and we know can he be impeached for that since Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about and act that wasn't even a crime
 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 15, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
I'd still like to know if Trump or any of his surrogates colluded with the Russians during the election or prior to him taking office.

I say we have at least as many as we had for Benghazi and they should last just a long.
I'm sure Republicans can't see any problem with that

BTW - Trump may lie under oath (if he follows through which his pledge to testify) and we know can he be impeached for that since Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about and act that wasn't even a crime
 

wouldn't evidence be fairly obvious?

why are we spending billions upon billions (along with giving up all our privacy rights) to the 3-letter agencies if we cannot show that "our biggest enemy" ended up "hacking" our election?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 15, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
I'd still like to know if Trump or any of his surrogates colluded with the Russians during the election or prior to him taking office.

I say we have at least as many as we had for Benghazi and they should last just a long.
I'm sure Republicans can't see any problem with that

BTW - Trump may lie under oath (if he follows through which his pledge to testify) and we know can he be impeached for that since Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about and act that wasn't even a crime
 

Trump wasn't even supposed to win the primary and was said 98:2 chance of him losing - when did all this collarborayoon happen and why did Russia pick suck a destined loser ?   And finally- colluded to do what ? Have podesta respond to a phishing attack w the DNC password and reveal truthful emails. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on June 15, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
Trump wasn't even supposed to win the primary and was said 98:2 chance of him losing - when did all this collarborayoon happen and why did Russia pick suck a destined loser ?   And finally- colluded to do what ? Have podesta respond to a phishing attack w the DNC password and reveal truthful emails. 

your memory sucks

Trump led the field of GOP candidate from the outset

And once he was candidate the polls were pretty close (even though Trump claimed they were all rigged)

Of course he lost the popular vote but was chosen to be POTUS by the electoral college
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 15, 2017, 06:36:45 PM
Probably just one very long one.  Total waste of time and our money.  This will not end well for Democrats.  They are so dumb.  They have set the bar so low for Trump that all he needs to do is walk and chew gum to be successful.  These wild accusations are also going to make it harder for them to hold Trump accountable if and when he actually does something bad. 

BTW, Robert Mueller is a Republican.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 15, 2017, 07:07:34 PM
BTW, Robert Mueller is a Republican.

Ok?  And? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 16, 2017, 04:37:17 AM
The Russians just killed the leader of ISIS. Trump probably instructed them to do that. #Winning

Trump isn't a puppet. Putin is the puppet.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 16, 2017, 02:20:40 PM
The Russians just killed the leader of ISIS. Trump probably instructed them to do that. #Winning

Trump isn't a puppet. Putin is the puppet.

Wonder who will take Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's place as the leader of ISIS?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 16, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
Wonder who will take Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's place as the leader of ISIS?

John "Songbird" McCain
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 16, 2017, 08:08:58 PM
Is this still a thing?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 19, 2017, 12:22:44 PM





Russia threatens to target every coalition plane or drone it finds west of Euphrates in Syria
http://www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | PUBLISHED: 08:33 EDT, 19 June 2 | By JAMES WILKINSON and DARREN BOYLE
Posted on 6/19/2017, 3:12:30 PM by johnk

'We will not hesitate to defend ourselves':

US military refuses to be cowed after Russia threatens to target every coalition plane or drone it finds west of the River Euphrates in Syria

The US has said its troops will defend themselves from Russian attack in Syria

That came after Russia said it would target US aircraft west of the Euphrates

Moscow was furious after the US shot down Russia-backed Syrian military plane

That happened Sunday, after the Syrian plane dropped bombs near US allies

Captain Jeff Davis said US and coalition air operations would continue in Syria

Russia claimed to have cut off a flight co-ordination line with the US

Davis said as far as he was concerned, communication continues with Moscow

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on June 20, 2017, 10:17:08 AM




Russia threatens to target every coalition plane or drone it finds west of Euphrates in Syria
http://www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | PUBLISHED: 08:33 EDT, 19 June 2 | By JAMES WILKINSON and DARREN BOYLE
Posted on 6/19/2017, 3:12:30 PM by johnk

'We will not hesitate to defend ourselves':

US military refuses to be cowed after Russia threatens to target every coalition plane or drone it finds west of the River Euphrates in Syria

The US has said its troops will defend themselves from Russian attack in Syria

That came after Russia said it would target US aircraft west of the Euphrates

Moscow was furious after the US shot down Russia-backed Syrian military plane

That happened Sunday, after the Syrian plane dropped bombs near US allies

Captain Jeff Davis said US and coalition air operations would continue in Syria

Russia claimed to have cut off a flight co-ordination line with the US

Davis said as far as he was concerned, communication continues with Moscow

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


More proof that Russia loves Trump.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 27, 2017, 03:39:54 PM
CNN producer: Trump 'probably right' about Russian 'witch hunt'
by Eddie Scarry | Jun 27, 2017

A producer for CNN admitted in a newly released undercover spy video that President Trump is "probably right" in accusing his opponents of engaging in a witch hunt as it relates to collusion with Russia.

The video, published online Monday night by conservative sting activist James O'Keefe's Project Veritas website, shows John Bonifield, a CNN producer who covers medical issues, saying, "I just feel like they really don't have it [proof of collusion] but they want to keep digging."

He continued, "And so I think the president is probably right to say, ‘Look, you are witch hunting me.'"

Bonifield also says in the video that that federal investigation into whether Trump's 2016 campaign colluded with the Russian government "could be bullshit" and that it's "mostly bullshit right now."

The Project Veritas video was apparently produced without Bonifield's knowing he was being recorded, a tactic O'Keefe has used before to undercover supposed wrongdoing by liberals and Democrats.

O'Keefe's website doesn't say when the conversation with Bonifield took place.

The Washington Examiner has requested comment from Bonifield.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-producer-trump-probably-right-about-russian-witch-hunt/article/2627180


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 29, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
Study: TV News Is Obsessed With Trump-Russia Probe
By Rich Noyes | June 27, 2017

How much has the media’s obsession with the ongoing Russia investigation smothered the rest of the Trump policy agenda? A Media Research Center study of every broadcast network evening newscast in the five weeks since the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller on May 17 found a whopping 353 minutes of airtime devoted to the Russia probe, or 55 percent of all coverage of the Trump presidency during those weeks.

The networks’ relentless coverage of Russia meant little airtime was spent on important policy topics, as the investigation garnered 20 times more attention than the new health care bill, 100 times more attention than the administration’s push to improve the nation’s infrastructure, and a stunning 450 times more coverage than the push for comprehensive tax reform.

The study also found one-third (34%) of the networks’ Russia coverage was based on anonymous sources, some of which later proved erroneous.

For this report, MRC analysts reviewed all 364 evening news stories — totaling nearly 640 minutes — that discussed President Trump or other top administration officials. Of those, 246 were full reports focused solely on the administration; the rest were brief, anchor-read items (36), or stories about other topics that included some mention of the administration (82).

The Russia investigation was by far the dominant topic in these stories, totaling 353 minutes of airtime, or more than half of all Trump coverage during this period. The Russia story was featured or mentioned in 171 evening news stories (126 full reports, seven brief, anchor items and another 38 mentions in stories on other topics).

ABC’s World News Tonight was the most enraptured by the Russia story, devoting 134 minutes to the investigation, or nearly two-thirds (63%) of all of its Trump news during this period. The CBS Evening News churned out 124 minutes of Russia news (54% of its Trump coverage), while NBC Nightly News spent a total of 95 minutes talking about the investigation (48% of its overall Trump coverage).

In contrast, the top policy issue during these five weeks — the debate about the President’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate treaty — drew just 47 minutes of coverage. Top legislative items were almost completely lost during these weeks, with just 17 minutes spent on competing bills to repeal and replace ObamaCare, five minutes on efforts to boost the economy and create more jobs, and a meager 47 seconds on tax reform.

Without question, the President’s own comments about the Russia investigation, including his ubiquitous tweets, supplied the networks with a rationale for some of this coverage, but it’s not as if reporters felt compelled to cover all of Trump’s utterances. On the subject of infrastructure improvements, for example, the President spoke on camera at a variety of public events in early June, but the networks offered a mere three minutes of airtime — 1/100th as much as they spent on the investigation.

Our analysts found that one-third of all of the Russia/Comey stories (58 out of 171) relied at least in part on unnamed, anonymous sources for crucial information. Of course, these sources are only anonymous to viewers, not the reporters who talk to them. But their anonymity means viewers can’t weigh the information against any agenda — partisan or otherwise — that may contribute to the source’s motive in secretly talking to journalists. And in cases where the information turned out to be false, the anonymous source remains happily hidden from public view, sharing none of the blame for misleading the audience.

So what did TV viewers learn from the networks’ secret sources? CBS correspondent Jeff Pegues on May 17 offered nothing more than speculation about why then-Trump transition advisor Michael Flynn talked in December to Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak: “CBS News has learned that investigators believe Flynn may have been acting on orders from someone else.” (Italics added for emphasis.)

All of the networks used anonymous leaks to make it sound gravely important when word came that there would be questions posed to the President’s son-in-law, as NBC’s Peter Alexander did May 25: “Multiple U.S. officials tell NBC News tonight that Jared Kushner, the President’s son-in-law, one of his closest advisors, has come under FBI scrutiny in the Russia investigation....”

On June 8, NBC’s Pete Williams used anonymous sources to briefly float a guilty-sounding tidbit about Attorney General Jeff Sessions, which he promptly dismissed: “Investigators tell NBC News the FBI was looking at whether Sessions had a meeting he didn’t disclose last year with Russia’s ambassador at a Washington, D.C. hotel. Justice Department officials have since said there was no such meeting.”

Sometimes, the anonymous sources were flat-out wrong. On June 6 ABC World News Tonight anchor David Muir teased “exclusive reporting, what ABC News has learned — what the fired FBI director plans to tell Congress.”

Moments later, correspondent Jon Karl made the reveal: “Tonight, a source familiar with Comey’s thinking tells ABC News that the former FBI director will directly contradict what the President wrote in the letter telling him he was fired: ‘I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I’m not under investigation.’...According to our source, Comey will dispute that.”

An on-screen headline reinforced the point: “Sources: Comey Will Dispute Some Trump Claims.”

The next day, a transcript of Comey’s testimony was released showing the exact opposite, that Comey would support Trump’s statement. Without any reference to their misreporting from the previous evening, anchor David Muir on June 7 told viewers Comey “will acknowledge that he did tell the President that he was not under investigation, personally, on multiple occasions.”

Correspondent Jon Karl also made no reference to the earlier, faulty report, as he read the response from Trump’s attorney, Marc Kasowitz: “Kasowitz says the President feels completely and totally vindicated.”

TV’s obsession with the Russia investigation flies in the race of what the public says it actually cares about. According to a Harvard-Harris poll released late last week, “a majority of voters believe the Russia investigations are damaging to the country and are eager to see Congress shift its focus to healthcare, terrorism, national security, the economy and jobs.”

Given the disconnect, it should be no surprise that half of all voters see the media as biased against Trump, compared to only four percent who think the media are pro-Trump, according to a recent Rasmussen poll, with two-thirds of Republican respondents (68%) saying media coverage of the President is “poor.”

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/06/27/study-tv-news-obsessed-trump-russia-probe
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 04, 2017, 02:23:40 PM
Maybe they will start to execute their nefarious plan to have Trump be a Russian puppet at this meeting?   :o

No 'Specific Agenda,' but Trump, Putin Have Lots to Discuss

Tuesday, 04 Jul 2017

President Donald Trump's first face-to-face meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday will be brimming with global intrigue, but the White House says there's "no specific agenda." So in the absence of a set list of topics, what are two of the world's most famously unpredictable leaders to discuss?

Trump, who prefers to have neatly packaged achievements to pair with high-profile meetings, may be looking for some concessions from Russia to show he's delivering progress and helping restore a productive relationship between the two powers. Putin would almost surely want something in return, and there's a long list of "irritants" between the two countries that they could potentially resolve.

Ahead of the bilateral meeting, White House National Security Council and State Department officials have been reviewing possible gestures the U.S. could offer Russia as part of the meeting, a current and a former administration official said. They weren't authorized to comment publicly and requested anonymity.

Yet any outward sign of bonhomie between Trump and Putin would be immediately seized upon by the president's critics and Russia hawks eager to show he's cozying up to the Russian leader. The ongoing investigations into Russia's interference in the U.S. election and potential Trump campaign collusion won't be far from anyone's minds.

The two leaders will sit down in Hamburg, Germany, on the sidelines of a Group of 20 summit of leading rich and developing nations. Ahead of the meeting, Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak met Monday in Washington with the No. 3 U.S. diplomat, Thomas Shannon, to prepare.

A look at what Trump and Putin could address:

ELECTION HACKING

Trump has been reluctant to publicly and directly acknowledge Russia's role in meddling in the U.S. election, out of apparent concern it undermines the legitimacy of his win. He's also insisted there was no collusion with him or his campaign, a conclusion that U.S. investigators have not yet reached.

U.S. officials says Russia tried to hack election systems in 21 states and to sway the election for Trump, a level of interference in the U.S. political system that security experts say represents a top-level threat that should command a forceful response from the U.S. Putin has denied all this.

There are no indications Trump plans to raise Russia's meddling at the meeting. Yet if he doesn't, it will give fuel to Trump's critics who say he's blatantly ignoring a major national security threat. It could also embolden those who say Trump is trying to cover for the Russians after benefiting from their interference.

IRRITANTS

Each side has a long list of complaints about the other that do not rise to the geopolitical level but are nonetheless impeding broader attempts to coordinate or cooperate on larger concerns. After meeting in Moscow earlier this year, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov agreed to set up a mechanism to deal with these issues the Russians describe as "irritants" and the Americans call "the smalls."


But even that effort has stalled. After the Treasury last month imposed new sanctions on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine, Moscow called off a scheduled second meeting between Thomas Shannon, the U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs, and Sergey Ryabkov, a Russian deputy foreign minister. Shannon and Ryabkov's canceled June 23 meeting in St. Petersburg has yet to be rescheduled.

It was not clear if either Trump or Putin would seek to reopen the channel when they see each other in Hamburg, although Tillerson and other State Department officials have taken pains to stress that they remain open to a resumption of the talks.

RUSSIA'S WISH LIST

Russia has been especially vocal about its chief demand: the return of two properties it owns in the U.S. that were seized by the Obama administration as punishment for Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The recreational compounds are located in Oyster Bay, New York, on Long Island, and along the Corsica River in the Eastern Shore region of Maryland

On Monday, Putin's foreign affairs adviser, Yuri Ushakov, said Russia had been remarkably restrained by declining to retaliate but that its patience was running out. If the U.S. doesn't soon give back the compounds, also known as dachas, Moscow will have no choice but to retaliate, Ushakov said.

Another Russian demand is to ease surveillance of its diplomats in the U.S.

US DEMANDS

The U.S. has its own list, topped by a resumption of adoptions of Russian children by American parents which Russia banned in late 2012, an end to what it says is intensifying harassment of U.S. diplomats and other officials in Russia and a resolution to a dispute over a piece of land in St. Petersburg that was meant to be the site of a new U.S. consulate in Russia's second-largest city. The U.S. also wants expanded cultural and exchange programs between the two countries. Such programs were vastly curtailed or ended after Putin's 2012 return to the Kremlin in an election he accused Washington of interfering in.

Tillerson has made the adoption issue a priority, according to aides, although it remains unclear if he has succeeded in convincing the Russians to even consider revisiting the ban. The property dispute in St. Petersburg dates to 2014 when Russia blocked the U.S. from developing the site after the Obama administration hit Russia with sanctions because of it's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region.

Officials say the U.S. won't simply swap the Russian compounds for the St. Petersburg consulate. Action on the other demands is also required, they say.

UKRAINE SANCTIONS

Moscow has long sought an easing of economic sanctions the U.S. slapped on Russia over its actions in eastern Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, which the U.S. does not recognize. Though there were indications that Trump's aides entertained easing the sanctions in the run-up to the inauguration and early days of his presidency, his administration has repeatedly insisted that they will stay in place until Russia pulls out of Crimea and lives up to its commitments under a cease-fire deal for eastern Ukraine that has never been fully implemented.

Given that Russia has taken neither of those steps, easing sanctions would require a major reversal by Trump and would infuriate Russia hawks in both parties in the U.S. In fact, Congress has been pushing to increase sanctions on Russia and make them harder for Trump to lift. The Senate has passed the popular measure, which won't go to a House vote before Trump's meeting with Putin.

SYRIA

Eager to bolster his global legitimacy, Putin has been pressing the U.S. to cooperate militarily with Russia in Syria, where both Moscow and Washington oppose the Islamic State group but disagree about Syrian President Bashar Assad. Though defense laws passed in the wake of the Ukraine crisis bar the U.S. military from cooperating with Russia, the two have maintained a "deconfliction" hotline to ensure their forces don't accidentally collide on the crowded Syrian battlefield.

The Pentagon has steadfastly resisted proposals to work closely with Russia in Syria, out of concern the U.S. can't trust Moscow with sensitive intelligence information. But the problems posed by the lack of coordination in Syria have resurfaced following recent events. The U.S. has recently shot down several pro-Syrian government aircraft, leading Russia, an ally of the Syrian government, to threaten to shoot down any aircraft that flies west of the Euphrates River.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/russia-united-states-trump/2017/07/04/id/799758/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 04, 2017, 02:38:10 PM
your memory sucks

Trump led the field of GOP candidate from the outset

And once he was candidate the polls were pretty close (even though Trump claimed they were all rigged)

Of course he lost the popular vote but was chosen to be POTUS by the electoral college

If the polls were close, why did Huffpo have Hillary winning as a foregone conclusion?


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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 07, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
If the polls were close, why did Huffpo have Hillary winning as a foregone conclusion?


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Time for StrawQueen to admit failure on this CT

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/06/nyt-admits-facts-behind-bogus-russia-claim-its-been-pushing-for-9-months-are-simple/?utm_source=site-share

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on July 07, 2017, 10:56:47 AM
I was watching the various news channels last night and one thing was consistent .
Trump's meeting with the Polish Pres. was covered by most networks.

When asked about Russia hacking the US election, Trump said "maybe" and then threw the US Intell services, under the bus.
In recent previous statements Trump's been critical of Obama for not doing more on Russia's involvement with our election.
WTF?

1. How can Obama be weak on attacking something Trump say's didn't happen?

2. Fact is: Obama placed sanctions on Russia and kicked out a bunch of Russian diplomats.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 07, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
I was watching the various news channels last night and one thing was consistent .
Trump's meeting with the Polish Pres. was covered by most networks.

When asked about Russia hacking the US election, Trump said "maybe" and then threw the US Intell services, under the bus.
In recent previous statements Trump's been critical of Obama for not doing more on Russia's involvement with our election.
WTF?

1. How can Obama be weak on attacking something Trump say's didn't happen?

2. Fact is: Obama placed sanctions on Russia and kicked out a bunch of Russian diplomats.

Fact is:  the "Russian interference" happened on Obama's watch and Obama did nothing until after Hillary lost the election. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on July 07, 2017, 03:30:08 PM
Fact is:  the "Russian interference" happened on Obama's watch and Obama did nothing until after Hillary lost the election. 

Ok, so you agree that  Russia tried to hack the US election REGARDLESS of when Obama took action .
Why does Trump keep saying that Russia may NOT have hacked ?

How did Obama screw up on something that Trump says never happened ? Doah
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 07, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
Ok, so you agree that  Russia tried to hack the US election REGARDLESS of when Obama took action .
Why does Trump keep saying that Russia may NOT have hacked ?

How did Obama screw up on something that Trump says never happened ? Doah


Don't put words in my mouth.   ::)  You don't even know what "hack" our election means.  You cannot explain it.  You're just repeatedly spouting talking points.  

So forget about your misleading "fact."  Obama didn't do squat till after Hillary lost.  When considered with other actions it was obviously designed to hurt Trump.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 07, 2017, 04:49:54 PM
I was watching the various news channels last night and one thing was consistent .
Trump's meeting with the Polish Pres. was covered by most networks.

When asked about Russia hacking the US election, Trump said "maybe" and then threw the US Intell services, under the bus.
In recent previous statements Trump's been critical of Obama for not doing more on Russia's involvement with our election.
WTF?

1. How can Obama be weak on attacking something Trump say's didn't happen?

2. Fact is: Obama placed sanctions on Russia and kicked out a bunch of Russian diplomats.

That's not what Trump said. He was very clear. Obama had proof of foreign interference (meddling) in the election in August 2016 and did nothing because he thought Hillary would win

That is what Trump said.

Jesus Christ, Hillary couldn't win a debate she was given the questions to. How fucking shit are you as a candidate when you have to lie and cheat to beat an 80 year old communist from Vermont?

There is about as much truth to Trump colluding with the Russians as there was to the "vast right wing conspiracy" that was framing Bill Clinton for cheating with Monica Lewinsky!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 07, 2017, 04:58:20 PM
"Remember, few believe that Moscow interfered in the 2016 election because it reckoned it could put Donald Trump in the White House. The more modest goal was to damage the future President Hillary Clinton. US weakness was, and remains, the overriding objective. And on that, the Trump investment is delivering handsomely."



lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 07, 2017, 05:02:45 PM
Ok, so you agree that  Russia tried to hack the US election REGARDLESS of when Obama took action .
Why does Trump keep saying that Russia may NOT have hacked ?

How did Obama screw up on something that Trump says never happened ? Doah


You should focus more on the terminology Howaretard. No evidence of a hack, evidence of an attempt at meddling, no evidence of collusion (except by Hillary) , no evidence of votes being changed, evidence of illegal voters and voter registration by Dems

In other words....everything the Dems blame trump for, they end up being guilty of.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on July 07, 2017, 07:37:02 PM
You should focus more on the terminology Howaretard. No evidence of a hack, evidence of an attempt at meddling, no evidence of collusion (except by Hillary) , no evidence of votes being changed, evidence of illegal voters and voter registration by Dems

In other words....everything the Dems blame trump for, they end up being guilty of.

Trump accused Obama of not doing anything about the Russian hacking.
Obama got solid proof from our intel that it was Russia and dealt with them harshly.
Trump continues say Russia was not the main cause of the election hacking.  ???
* I have the exact things said with ref , right here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/russia-election-hacking-sanctions.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-obama-russia-election-hacks-article-1.3276125
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on July 07, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
Don't put words in my mouth.   ::)  You don't even know what "hack" our election means.  You cannot explain it.  You're just repeatedly spouting talking points.  

So forget about your misleading "fact."  Obama didn't do squat till after Hillary lost.  When considered with other actions it was obviously designed to hurt Trump.  

He's often said ; Russia didn't hack .  ( Trump's own words on Fox news)


Then he says, Obama knew it was Russia (Putin) and did nothing about the hacking.


So which one is true?
Does Trump think Russia hacked or not?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on July 07, 2017, 07:45:02 PM
For being accused of doing nothing, THIS sure looks like something.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 08, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
He's often said ; Russia didn't hack .  ( Trump's own words on Fox news)


Then he says, Obama knew it was Russia (Putin) and did nothing about the hacking.


So which one is true?
Does Trump think Russia hacked or not?

Phishing not same as hacking
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 10, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
He's often said ; Russia didn't hack .  ( Trump's own words on Fox news)


Then he says, Obama knew it was Russia (Putin) and did nothing about the hacking.


So which one is true?
Does Trump think Russia hacked or not?

I don't care what he said.  I'm asking about what YOU keep saying.  How, precisely, did Russia "hack" our election? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 10, 2017, 04:37:55 PM
History will not be kind to the tinfoil hat dummies pushing this loony conspiracy theory. 

Donald Trump Jr., in sarcastic tweet, mocks report on Russia lawyer meeting
Published July 10, 2017
Fox News
 
Donald Trump Jr. on Monday used a sarcastic tweet to mock The New York Times’ reporting on a meeting he and other Trump associates had last summer with a Russian lawyer who supposedly lured them with the hint of Hillary Clinton dirt.

“Obviously I'm the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent... went nowhere but had to listen,” the president’s son tweeted.

 Donald Trump Jr. ✔ @DonaldJTrumpJr
Obviously I'm the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent... went nowhere but had to listen. https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/884390823881719808 …
2:55 AM - 10 Jul 2017
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Fox News anchor and attorney says Donald Trump Jr. has a perfectly reasonable explanation for meeting with Kremlin-linked lawyer during the presidential campaign
The reports, though, were causing new headaches for the Trump family with regard to congressional investigations, as a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee said Monday the panel should now question Trump's eldest son.

Sen. Susan Collins of Maine told reporters that "our intelligence committee needs to interview him and others who attended the meeting" as part of the panel's probe into Russian interference in last year's election and possible collusion between Russian officials and the Trump campaign.

The Times has published a series of reports on the meeting with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, leading to varying explanations from the Trump team. Trump’s eldest son initially said it was primarily about allowing Americans to adopt Russian children and “mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton.”

He later acknowledged he was told the Russian individual “might have information helpful to the campaign.”

During the meeting, Trump Jr. said in a statement, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” But he said her statements “were vague, ambiguous and made no sense” and it “became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He said, “She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.”

The meeting with Veselnitskaya was also attended by Paul J. Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, and Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to The Times.

Donald Trump Jr. claimed Monday his statements were consistent.

“No inconsistency in statements, meeting ended up being primarily about adoptions. In response to further Q's I simply provided more details,” he tweeted.

Donald Trump Jr. also tweeted out a news article Monday morning that called the Times report a “big yawn.” 

The reports could pose new complications for Trump associates and family members, though, as the president has sought to downplay any suggestion of coordination during the campaign with the Russians.

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for President Trump’s outside legal team, reportedly said, “The president was not aware of and did not attend the meeting."

The Associated Press also reported Monday that a music publicist says he set up the meeting on behalf of a client in Moscow named Emin Agalarov.

In a statement to The Associated Press on Monday, Rob Goldstone said the lawyer said she had information about purported illegal campaign contributions to the Democratic National Committee that she thought Donald Trump Jr. might find helpful.

Goldstone says Trump Jr. agreed to squeeze the meeting into a tight schedule. Trump appeared in a music video with Agalarov in 2013. The video was filmed while Trump was in Russia for the Miss Universe pageant.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/10/donald-trump-jr-in-sarcastic-tweet-mocks-report-on-russia-lawyer-meeting.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 11, 2017, 08:51:51 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341443-trump-jr-releases-email-chain-on-conversations-with-russian-sources
 ;)

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 12, 2017, 11:47:33 AM
Alan Dershowitz: 'I Don't See a Crime' With Don Jr.
By Todd Beamon   |   Tuesday, 11 Jul 2017

Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told Newsmax TV on Tuesday that "I don't see a crime" in Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting last year with a lawyer with ties to the Russian government.

"Even if there was coordination, even if the worst-case scenario as far as we know now is the Russians getting in touch with Trump Jr. and saying: 'We have some dirt on Hillary Clinton. Come. We'll give it to you,'" he told Miranda Khan on "America Talks Live" in an interview.

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"And he goes and gets the information.

"That's what The New York Times did in the Pentagon Papers. That's what The Washington Post did and many other newspapers did with information from [Edward] Snowden and [Chelsea] Manning.

"You are allowed legally to use material that was obtained illegally, as long as you had nothing to do with the illegal nature of obtaining the information.

"So, at the moment, I see no legal jeopardy for Trump Jr.," Dershowitz concluded, "but of course we have to know more facts.

"Simply using the material that you know was obtained illegally is not at the moment regarded as a crime.

"It would be wrong to prosecute somebody for that non-crime."

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on July 12, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Howard, the same thing could be turned around to the other side.  You know, the side making the accusation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 19, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
Interdasting. The plot thickens!

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on July 19, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
Hopefully he dosen't talk the the alpha male sitting next to his wife, in front of all those people.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 24, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 25, 2017, 04:49:08 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2017, 12:12:36 PM
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lol  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
'Straightforward' Kushner Testifies for 3 Hours Before House Panel
Jared Kushner departs after a second day of testimony on Capitol Hill. (Reuters)
Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017

Two key members of President Donald Trump's presidential campaign met Tuesday with congressional investigators probing Russia's interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion with Trump associates.

Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner returned to Capitol Hill for a second day of private meetings, this time for a closed-door conversation with lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee.

Separately, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with bipartisan staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee and "answered their questions fully," his spokesman, Jason Maloni, said.

Manafort's discussion with the committee staff was confined to his recollection of a June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower, according to two people familiar with the interview. Both demanded anonymity to discuss details because the interview occurred behind closed doors.

Manafort also turned over his contemporaneous notes documenting the meeting, one said. The other person said Manafort has agreed to additional interviews with the Senate intelligence committee staff on other topics. Those meetings haven't yet been scheduled.

Both Manafort and Kushner have faced scrutiny about attending the Trump Tower meeting because it was described in emails to Donald Trump Jr. as part of a Russian government effort to aid Trump's presidential campaign.

Kushner spent about three hours Tuesday behind closed doors with the House committee.

"I found him to be straightforward, forthcoming, wanted to answer every question we had," said Republican Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas, who is leading the panel's Russia probe. He said Kushner was willing to follow up with the committee if it has additional questions.

The committee's ranking Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, said the questions touched on "a range of issues the committee had been concerned about."

"We appreciate his voluntary willingness to come and testify today," Schiff added.

On Monday, Kushner answered questions from staff on the Senate's intelligence panel, acknowledging four meetings with Russians during and after Trump's victorious White House bid and insisting he had "nothing to hide." He emerged smiling to publicly declare, "All of my actions were proper."

In an 11-page statement, he acknowledged his Russian contacts during the campaign and immediately after the election, in which he served as a liaison between the transition and foreign governments. He described each contact as either insignificant or routine and he said the meetings, along with several others, were omitted from his security clearance form because of an aide's error. Kushner cast himself as a political novice learning in real time to juggle "thousands of meetings and interactions" in a fast-paced campaign.

"Let me be very clear," Kushner said afterward in a rare public statement at the White House. "I did not collude with Russia, nor do I know of anyone else in the campaign who did so."

Kushner's statement was the first detailed defense from a campaign insider responding to the controversy that has all but consumed the first six months of Trump's presidency. U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia sought to tip the 2016 campaign in Trump's favor. Congressional committees, as well as a Justice Department special counsel, are investigating whether Trump associates coordinated with Russia in that effort and whether the president has sought to hamper the investigations.

Trump tweeted Tuesday that "Jared Kushner did very well yesterday in proving he did not collude with the Russians. Witch Hunt. Next up, 11 year old Barron Trump!"

Meanwhile, Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley and Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein announced they issued a subpoena for Manafort to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee at a public hearing Wednesday. They said they had been unable to reach agreement with Manafort on the terms of a private and voluntary interview with staff.

In addition, the committee was withdrawing a separate subpoena issued for the co-founder of a research firm behind a dossier of allegations about Trump and his ties to Russia. Instead, Glenn Simpson has agreed to a private interview, according to a person familiar with the conversations who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Emails released this month show that the president's son, Donald Trump Jr., accepted the June 2016 meeting with the idea that he would receive information as part of a Russian government effort to help Trump's campaign. But Kushner said he hadn't seen those emails until recently shown them by his lawyers.

Kushner, in his statement for the two intelligence committees, called the meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya such a "waste of time" that he asked his assistant to call him out of the gathering.

"No part of the meeting I attended included anything about the campaign; there was no follow-up to the meeting that I am aware of; I do not recall how many people were there (or their names), and I have no knowledge of any documents being offered or accepted," he said.

Kushner also confirmed earlier media reports that he had suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities to set up secure communications between Trump adviser Michael Flynn, who would become Trump's national security adviser, and Russian officials. But he disputed that it was an effort to establish a "secret back channel."

His statement describes a December meeting with Flynn and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in which Kushner and Kislyak discussed establishing a secure line for the Trump transition team and Moscow to communicate about policy in Syria.

Kushner said that when Kislyak asked if there was a secure way for him to provide information from his "generals," Kushner suggested using facilities at the Russian Embassy.

"The ambassador said that would not be possible and so we all agreed that we would receive this information after the Inauguration. Nothing else occurred," the statement said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Trump-Russia-Probe-Kushner/2017/07/25/id/803708/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
So,I'm guessing some of think this Russia thing is still a "nothing burger".

Ok,  ;)   The truth will be out soon fellas.

I think you're on to something here.  I bet the truth about Trump being a Russian puppet breaks at the same time we see the video of Ted Cruz sleeping with prostitutes and discovery of the Cruz love child.  Book it.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 25, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
....How, precisely, did Russia "hack" our election? 

Why do you suppose precisely how the Russians did the hack isn't available to the public?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 25, 2017, 03:04:56 PM
(https://i.redd.it/rtf1npyb1qbz.jpg)

Jared attempted to set the scope of the hearing by making public his address to them beforehand.

Why should we believe President Trump knows what was said during yesterday's hearing?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
Why do you suppose precisely how the Russians did the hack isn't available to the public?

What precisely do you mean by "hack"? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 31, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
The Week the Russia Conspiracy Theory Fell Apart
by JOEL B. POLLAK
28 Jul 2017

The Russia conspiracy theory so beloved by the media and the Democratic Party fell apart this week — though it was easy to miss, amidst the chaos at the White House and the collapse of Congress’s effort to repeal Obamacare.
Investor William Browder testified at the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday that Fusion GPS, the firm that had been responsible for creating and pushing the so-called “Russia dossier” against Donald Trump, had been paid by the Russian government to push for the repeal of the human rights sanctions in the Magnitsky Act of 2012. In other words, the Russian government may have been paying to smear Trump with false and salacious accusations.

Until now, the media and the Democrats have proceeded under the assumption that Russia intervened in the 2016 election by hacking the email server of the Democratic National Committee, as well as the private email of Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, and releasing their emails via Wikileaks. They have further claimed — with no evidence — that the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in obtaining or releasing the emails.

The entire theory rests on the ridiculous claim that Trump had invited Russia to hack Clinton and the Democrats when he joked last July about the Russians releasing the emails Clinton had deleted from her illicit private server.  (The left-wing HuffPost observed Thursday as the anniversary that Trump “asked for Russian help in the election.”) That joke prompted then-CIA director John Brennan to convene an investigation of alleged Russian interference.

In fact, it turns out that Russia may have been trying to undermine Trump. And it may have done so in collusion with the Democrats. The Wall Street Journal‘s Kimberly Strassel noted Thursday that Fusion GPS has ties to the Democrats — and will not reveal who paid it for the dossier. Strassel asked: “What if it was the Democratic National Committee or Hillary Clinton’s campaign?” The money could have passed through intermediaries, she added.

That means the real story of collusion in the 2016 election could be that Democrats were working with Russia. And that would make sense, given their long history of appeasing the Russians, under both Clinton and Barack Obama.

Or the truth could be that Russia was trying to embarrass both parties, to weaken the eventual winner. Browder told the Senate Judiciary Committee that it is common for Russia to back both sides in elections, simply to create chaos.

Regardless, the Russia conspiracy theory has now collapsed. There is no evidence that Russia was colluding with the Trump campaign. But there is evidence Russia was working against it. And the truth is only beginning to emerge.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/28/week-russia-conspiracy-theory-fell-apart/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on July 31, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
The Week the Russia Conspiracy Theory Fell Apart
by JOEL B. POLLAK
28 Jul 2017

The Russia conspiracy theory so beloved by the media and the Democratic Party fell apart this week — though it was easy to miss, amidst the chaos at the White House and the collapse of Congress’s effort to repeal Obamacare.
Investor William Browder testified at the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday that Fusion GPS, the firm that had been responsible for creating and pushing the so-called “Russia dossier” against Donald Trump, had been paid by the Russian government to push for the repeal of the human rights sanctions in the Magnitsky Act of 2012. In other words, the Russian government may have been paying to smear Trump with false and salacious accusations.

Until now, the media and the Democrats have proceeded under the assumption that Russia intervened in the 2016 election by hacking the email server of the Democratic National Committee, as well as the private email of Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, and releasing their emails via Wikileaks. They have further claimed — with no evidence — that the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in obtaining or releasing the emails.

The entire theory rests on the ridiculous claim that Trump had invited Russia to hack Clinton and the Democrats when he joked last July about the Russians releasing the emails Clinton had deleted from her illicit private server.  (The left-wing HuffPost observed Thursday as the anniversary that Trump “asked for Russian help in the election.”) That joke prompted then-CIA director John Brennan to convene an investigation of alleged Russian interference.

In fact, it turns out that Russia may have been trying to undermine Trump. And it may have done so in collusion with the Democrats. The Wall Street Journal‘s Kimberly Strassel noted Thursday that Fusion GPS has ties to the Democrats — and will not reveal who paid it for the dossier. Strassel asked: “What if it was the Democratic National Committee or Hillary Clinton’s campaign?” The money could have passed through intermediaries, she added.

That means the real story of collusion in the 2016 election could be that Democrats were working with Russia. And that would make sense, given their long history of appeasing the Russians, under both Clinton and Barack Obama.

Or the truth could be that Russia was trying to embarrass both parties, to weaken the eventual winner. Browder told the Senate Judiciary Committee that it is common for Russia to back both sides in elections, simply to create chaos.

Regardless, the Russia conspiracy theory has now collapsed. There is no evidence that Russia was colluding with the Trump campaign. But there is evidence Russia was working against it. And the truth is only beginning to emerge.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/28/week-russia-conspiracy-theory-fell-apart/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Amazing how this is starting to make a 360 on the democrats.  They might wish they never opened up this can of worms.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 01, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
What precisely do you mean by "hack"? 

Sometimes you ask the stupidest questions.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 01, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
Every major political scandal has 2 sides that act like devoted fans of their team.

During Watergate, the staunchest Nixon supporters never lost faith in Nixon.
Despite a mountain of clear evidence for corruption they blamed democrats and the media instead.

Now we have the Trump/Russia issue and various details are coming in daily.
The liberal democrats are chomping at the bit to impeach Trump and find him guilty, yesterday.
The Trump supporters claim it's a " nothing burger" and ridicule the media for covering it.

The reality is that we have a real investigation on Trump/Russia with special consul ( Mueller) investigating.
While it doesn't look good for Pres. Trump , we've got a ways to go until the final verdict.

I see a lot of rush to judgment or complete denial.
We need a lot more basic, objectivity on this.
Sadly, I see BOTH sides acting like fools.

One side has the hanging noose up and the other wants to ignore anything that makes him look bad
Let's take a deep breath and allow the facts to tell the truth here.

Where's the fun in this?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 02:23:13 PM
Sometimes you ask the stupidest questions.

If you weren't so old and I didn't respect my elders I would say something pretty disrespectful right about now. 

In any event, you apparently cannot answer the question either. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2017, 02:34:15 PM
If you weren't so old and I didn't respect my elders I would say something pretty disrespectful right about now. 

In any event, you apparently cannot answer the question either. 

Most of us here can't fully answer that...but this guy can .
He has the expertise and experience, plus he wrote a book
" The Plot to Hack America" by Malcolm Nance , who worked for the CIA, NSA, etc
I suggest you read his book . I did and found it quite informative and interesting

Stop asking "smart ass" gotcha questions and read up like me and others
IF you really want the best possible answers.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
Most of us here can't fully answer that...but this guy can .
He has the expertise and experience, plus he wrote a book
" The Plot to Hack America" by Malcolm Nance , who worked for the CIA, NSA, etc
I suggest you read his book . I did and found it quite informative and interesting

Stop asking "smart ass" gotcha questions and read up like me and others
IF you really want the best possible answers.


 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
That's it...rolling the eyes? Really?
For weeks you've been requesting that I define and explain the Russian hacking.
I lack the expertise, so I opted to provide my best source for my information and opinions on this.
I gave a serious answer and source plus a book title for in depth answers.
Here is a link to provide a basic public bio on Malcolm Nance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Nance

If you think his book and info are "bs" please cite your reasons, sources, etc and let us know
why you refute it?  Thanks.

Listen troll, I'm not clicking on any link you post.  If I'm dealing with someone who isn't a troll, I will typically read whatever they ask.  But you?  I've read enough of your crap on the board to know you are a troll.  A very familiar troll. 

If you want to explain, in your own words, what you mean by "hacking," precisely how Russia "hacked" our election, and how Trump was involved, I'd be happy to read and respond.  Otherwise, go pound sand. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 02:54:47 PM
You mad bro?  ;)

Case closed.

Oh yes.  Seething.  Can't you tell?   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
LOL, good one.

You may not agree with my politics or posts, but seriously, I'm no troll.
I'm just Howard, the old douchebag who lives in N Ga.

If you ever want a civil conversation , pm me and we can exchange cell #.

I sincerely offered a detailed source to answer your "hacking" question.
I don't enjoy typing and rarely text due to my lousy manual dexterity.
If you're not interested , fine, but at least know I read a lot and try to think independently.


You have to have some sense because you live in Hawaii. I always liked that place, but never visited.
Any chance you'll let me crash at your place if I come over????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


This is both dishonest and incredibly funny.   You don't like to type, yet come on here every day and type a whole lot, without actually saying anything. 

And you talking about thinking independently?  LOL!  Now that will probably be the funniest thing I hear all day.   :)

Like I said, I'll read something in your own words, if you can muster enough brain cells to try and explain the talking points you keep spewing like the good little liberal bot. 

And no, you and Obama can both kindly stay off my island.  This is a one party state already and we have enough liberals over here.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on August 01, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
I've tried to offer a sincere hand of friendship to no avail.
You continue to be insulting, rude and 1 sided.

If my previous failed marriages taught me anything, it was this:
Sometimes you gotta give up and cut bait.

You're going to cut bait with every fucking poster on this board. Instead of cutting bait, maybe you should try your wrists. HTH.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2017, 07:13:58 PM
I've tried to offer a sincere hand of friendship to no avail.
You continue to be insulting, rude and 1 sided.

If my previous failed marriages taught me anything, it was this:
Sometimes you gotta give up and cut bait.

Whatever you say troll. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 02, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
Not gonna cut my wrists, but I will cut a big fart in your collective faces  :o
Obviously, most don't  like me or my posts. That's life on the forums.
My mom told me to be myself and remain proud of who I am.

I'm the same basic guy in real life ,as I am on the forums.
I suspect  Coach is the same asshole in person ,as the one who posts. ;)

*(repost) My wife and I when we first started dating, 10 years ago.
I'm basically the same old douchebag today...with a fatter head  :D
I figured I'd annoy some assholes by just posting this again. ENJOY ! :-*




Wrong again
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 02:01:05 PM
1. I really suck at typing . But you're right I "CUM" :-* here every day and pound out posts nobody likes or wants to see.

2. I think my finger will stink unless I put it in her pink.

3. If you thought that was funny, you need to get out more.

Hope this helps.

(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Please-don-t-feed-the-trolls-atsof-547660_170_186.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 02:10:55 PM
I really don't like you.

Good luck. ;)



 :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 02:39:11 PM

So, you think I'm a joke?

(http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ding-ding-ding.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
I'm not laughing.
I think it best for all concerned that I stop posting here for awhile.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 02, 2017, 03:31:50 PM
If you weren't so old and I didn't respect my elders I would say something pretty disrespectful right about now. 

In any event, you apparently cannot answer the question either. 

Either? Who else did you ask?

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
Either? Who else did you ask?



You and Howard.  Howard is the one repeatedly saying Russia "hacked" our election. 

Ok.  You posted a definition of "hack."  How, specifically, did Russia "hack" our election?  How was Trump involved in this "hack"?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 02, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
You and Howard.  Howard is the one repeatedly saying Russia "hacked" our election.  

Ok.  You posted a definition of "hack."  How, specifically, did Russia "hack" our election?  How was Trump involved in this "hack"?

Time will tell, not me. I do not know the answer to your questions.

What does the US believe Russia did to interfere in the 2016 campaign?


The US government publicly announced in October that it was "confident" Russia orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations of the Democratic Party.


Those hacks resulted in the public release of thousands of stolen emails, many of which included damaging revelations about the Democratic Party and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

But intelligence agencies didn't go as far as suggesting the efforts were aimed at bolstering Trump's chances and hurting Clinton's. Then, earlier this month, the CIA announced to a group of top US senators its latest finding: that Russia's hacks were aimed at helping Trump.

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2017, 05:05:36 PM
Time will tell, not me. I do not know the answer to your questions.

What does the US believe Russia did to interfere in the 2016 campaign?


The US government publicly announced in October that it was "confident" Russia orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations of the Democratic Party.


Those hacks resulted in the public release of thousands of stolen emails, many of which included damaging revelations about the Democratic Party and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

But intelligence agencies didn't go as far as suggesting the efforts were aimed at bolstering Trump's chances and hurting Clinton's. Then, earlier this month, the CIA announced to a group of top US senators its latest finding: that Russia's hacks were aimed at helping Trump.

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

You don't know what all of your people mean when they say Russia "hacked" our election?  Why are you even talking about it then??  This often happens when someone embracing a loony conspiracy theory is asked simple, basic questions about the conspiracy. 

The only "hacking" mentioned in the stuff you posted is the alleged Russia hacking of John Podesta's email, which resulted in the release of truthful information about Clinton.  I would ask if that's you mean by "hacking" the election, but you've already said you cannot answer that question. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 10:11:49 AM
You don't know what all of your people mean when they say Russia "hacked" our election?  Why are you even talking about it then??  This often happens when someone embracing a loony conspiracy theory is asked simple, basic questions about the conspiracy.  

The only "hacking" mentioned in the stuff you posted is the alleged Russia hacking of John Podesta's email, which resulted in the release of truthful information about Clinton.  I would ask if that's you mean by "hacking" the election, but you've already said you cannot answer that question.  

Prime and I both posted links to sources that could offer some expertise & details on this issue.
We know it's complicated and requires a lengthy , dry reply.

It's obvious to me your main goal isn't to learn new info on the "Russian hack".
You just want to bust our balls and get into 140 character reply pissing contests.

I'm growing tired of all the 1 sided pointless bickering on these kind of forums.
I never met other posters in person, so I have no idea who they are.
Based on my interaction here, most posters were rude and insulting.

Maybe I was dumb to reach out and be friendly with some of you?
Maybe you thought I was a dumb douchebag and never want to talk to me?
My attempts to reach out were a lesson in futility , but that's life.

Please remember that all posters are  human beings.
I've made my share of dumb posts, but I was never cruel to anyone.

I don't expect much change from this, but I wanted to post it.
Obviously, I need to cut back on my forum posting, oh well...
Thanks for listening.


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: tom joad on August 03, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Prime and I both posted links to sources that could offer some expertise & details on this issue.
We know it's complicated and requires a lengthy , dry reply.

It's obvious to me your main goal isn't to learn new info on the "Russian hack".
You just want to bust our balls and get into 140 character reply pissing contests.

I'm growing tired of all the 1 sided pointless bickering on these kind of forums.
I never met other posters in person, so I have no idea who they are.
Based on my interaction here, most posters were rude and insulting.

Maybe I was dumb to reach out and be friendly with some of you?
Maybe you thought I was a dumb douchebag and would never want to talk to me?
My attempts to reach out were a lesson in futility and that's life.

Please remember the other posters are also human beings.
I've made my share of dumb posts, but I was never cruel to anyone.

I don't expect much change from this, but I wanted to post it.
Obviously, I need to cut back on my forum posting, oh well...
Thanks for listening.


don't cut back too much, Howard, because you're one on the few sensible and moderate voices on here.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
You don't know what all of your people mean when they say Russia "hacked" our election?  Why are you even talking about it then??  This often happens when someone embracing a loony conspiracy theory is asked simple, basic questions about the conspiracy. 

The only "hacking" mentioned in the stuff you posted is the alleged Russia hacking of John Podesta's email, which resulted in the release of truthful information about Clinton.  I would ask if that's you mean by "hacking" the election, but you've already said you cannot answer that question. 

Hacking is hacking, regardless of who or what is hacked and the results and impact of the hacking. The DNC hacking at least partly resulted in Clinton's loss and Trump's win.

I have people? I have acquaintances, friends and family. To suggest we all think alike is ludicrous.

What is my "loony" conspiracy theory?

Why am I talking about hacking? Why are you? Are you privy to information the rest of the general public is not? It is more likely that you and I have opinions which are at least partly based on external input, including discussions such as these. And what is wrong in having opinions? Trump frequently expresses his opinion on Twitter, campaign rallies and public speeches  (such as the recent one he gave to the Boy Scouts).
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
Prime and I both posted links to sources that could offer some expertise & details on this issue.
We know it's complicated and requires a lengthy , dry reply.

It's obvious to me your main goal isn't to learn new info on the "Russian hack".
You just want to bust our balls and get into 140 character reply pissing contests.

I'm growing tired of all the 1 sided pointless bickering on these kind of forums.
I never met other posters in person, so I have no idea who they are.
Based on my interaction here, most posters were rude and insulting.

Maybe I was dumb to reach out and be friendly with some of you?
Maybe you thought I was a dumb douchebag and never want to talk to me?
My attempts to reach out were a lesson in futility , but that's life.

Please remember that all posters are  human beings.
I've made my share of dumb posts, but I was never cruel to anyone.

I don't expect much change from this, but I wanted to post it.
Obviously, I need to cut back on my forum posting, oh well...
Thanks for listening.




It seems clear that you are logical and keep an open mind about political issues, etc. These qualities are definitely rare around these parts. Many folks wear blinders with their agendas inscribed on the inside. They run the risk of being blindsided. Chances are, many won't ever admit it. They prefer "Alternative facts," courtesy of Kellyann Conway.

It's normal to hope you can make a difference and you do, but it is unlikely you'll be credited with it on these forums. It is not Getbig style.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
don't cut back too much, Howard, because you're one on the few sensible and moderate voices on here.

Thanks so much for the positive reply.
I needed that now , more then you might realize.

I'm going to avoid the back and forth debate with posted news links.
Each side has it's views and media outlets.

Instead, I'll post in the manner I enjoy and provides my own analysis on various political situations.
I know the hardcore Trump loyalists will demand an endless list of references or just dismiss me as "a troll".

Knowing at least a handful of members might enjoy my words makes it worthwhile for me to contribute.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 01:27:41 PM
Hacking is hacking, regardless of who or what is hacked and the results and impact of the hacking. The DNC hacking at least partly resulted in Clinton's loss and Trump's win.

I have people? I have acquaintances, friends and family. To suggest we all think alike is ludicrous.

What is my "loony" conspiracy theory?

Why am I talking about hacking? Why are you? Are you privy to information the rest of the general public is not? It is more likely that you and I have opinions which are at least partly based on external input, including discussions such as these. And what is wrong in having opinions? Trump frequently expresses his opinion on Twitter, campaign rallies and public speeches  (such as the recent one he gave to the Boy Scouts).

It's interesting to me that you also offered Dos Equis a serious source for credible info on the Russia hacking.
He gave you the same basic dismissive reply he provided me.

That verified ( to me) his true motivations had little to do with a serious analysis of the Russian hacking.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It seems clear that you are logical and keep an open mind about political issues, etc. These qualities are definitely rare around these parts. Many folks wear blinders with their agendas inscribed on the inside. They run the risk of being blindsided. Chances are, many won't ever admit it. They prefer "Alternative facts," courtesy of Kellyann Conway.

It's normal to hope you can make a difference and you do, but it is unlikely you'll be credited with it on these forums. It is not Getbig style.

I've never had the privilege of meeting you, but I'm aware of your age and life experience.
But you're quite correct, acknowledging depth of feelings and valuing human interaction is quite rare on Get Big.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2017, 02:26:44 PM
Prime and I both posted links to sources that could offer some expertise & details on this issue.
We know it's complicated and requires a lengthy , dry reply.

It's obvious to me your main goal isn't to learn new info on the "Russian hack".
You just want to bust our balls and get into 140 character reply pissing contests.

I'm growing tired of all the 1 sided pointless bickering on these kind of forums.
I never met other posters in person, so I have no idea who they are.
Based on my interaction here, most posters were rude and insulting.

Maybe I was dumb to reach out and be friendly with some of you?
Maybe you thought I was a dumb douchebag and never want to talk to me?
My attempts to reach out were a lesson in futility , but that's life.

Please remember that all posters are  human beings.
I've made my share of dumb posts, but I was never cruel to anyone.

I don't expect much change from this, but I wanted to post it.
Obviously, I need to cut back on my forum posting, oh well...
Thanks for listening.




I don't care about your links.  You're a troll.  I'm not clicking on links posted by a troll.  But as I said a few times now, if you want to explain this "hacking" and Trump's involvement in this conspiracy in your own words, I'd be happy to engage. 

You are unable to do that, because you don't understand the ridiculous talking points and conspiracy theory you and other loony members of the left have been pushing. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2017, 02:31:37 PM
Hacking is hacking, regardless of who or what is hacked and the results and impact of the hacking. The DNC hacking at least partly resulted in Clinton's loss and Trump's win.

I have people? I have acquaintances, friends and family. To suggest we all think alike is ludicrous.

What is my "loony" conspiracy theory?

Why am I talking about hacking? Why are you? Are you privy to information the rest of the general public is not? It is more likely that you and I have opinions which are at least partly based on external input, including discussions such as these. And what is wrong in having opinions? Trump frequently expresses his opinion on Twitter, campaign rallies and public speeches  (such as the recent one he gave to the Boy Scouts).

Using the definition of "hacking" that you posted, it's clear someone hacked John Podesta's email.  But using "hacking" in the context of this entire stupid conspiracy theory is incomprehensible.  Saying Russia "hacked" our election implies they got into voting machines, changed vote tallies, etc., and that Trump was somehow involved in this effort.  That's the point you don't appear to understand.  It's the dumbest conspiracy theory since 9/11 Troofers arrived on the scene.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 02:55:43 PM
I don't care about your links.  You're a troll.  I'm not clicking on links posted by a troll.  But as I said a few times now, if you want to explain this "hacking" and Trump's involvement in this conspiracy in your own words, I'd be happy to engage. 

You are unable to do that, because you don't understand the ridiculous talking points and conspiracy theory you and other loony members of the left have been pushing. 

I'm not a troll and have invited you to share cell #'s with me . I'll be happy to talk with you on this matter.
I'm a grown  man and expect common courtesy when interacting with other adults.
I'm fine with talking and don't want to take the time to TYPE something I would rather speak on.
Why you only want to communicate on a forum confuses me?

If we ever spoke in person, it would be different.
I'd walk right up, look you straight in the eye and firmly shake your hand.
Then we'd speak like real men, not like some silly boys , hiding behind a cpu screen.

I'd  appreciate you behaving as an adult and cease the silly name calling , ok.?
I'm  almost  60 now  and get annoyed when grown men behave like immature brats.
Thanks
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
I'm not a troll and have invited you to share cell #'s with me . I'll be happy to talk with you on this matter.
I'm a grown  man and expect common courtesy when interacting with other adults.
I'm fine with talking and don't want to take the time to TYPE something I would rather speak on.
Why you only want to communicate on a forum confuses me?

If we ever spoke in person, it would be different.
I'd walk right up, look you straight in the eye and firmly shake your hand.
Then we'd speak like real men, not like some silly boys , hiding behind a cpu screen.

I'd  appreciate you behaving as an adult and cease the silly name calling , ok.?
I'm  almost  60 now  and get annoyed when grown men behave like immature brats.
Thanks


Yes, you are a troll.

No, I don't want your cell number.  I have no desire to meet you in person.  This is getting a little creepy.   :-\

This is a forum to express opinions about mostly political stuff.  You are free (as you have been) to continue doing so.

If I believe someone wants to have a sincere discussion, I'm always game.  If I'm dealing with a troll, I don't take them seriously.   If you don't like the way I communicate then just ignore me and don't engage.  Pretty easy. 

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
Yes, you are a troll.

No, I don't want your cell number.  I have no desire to meet you in person.  This is getting a little creepy.   :-\

This is a forum to express opinions about mostly political stuff.  You are free (as you have been) to continue doing so.

If I believe someone wants to have a sincere discussion, I'm always game.  If I'm dealing with a troll, I don't take them seriously.   If you don't like the way I communicate then just ignore me and don't engage.  Pretty easy.  



I apologize if my sincere open gesture to speak by phone was considered inappropriate ( creepy) by you.
I suspect I'm older then you, and talking by phone is what I prefer.
Of course, you never know who's out there , so ,I understand the concern for personal safety.

You don't need to agree with me and many here don't.
A good natured  jab is fine but the lack of civility on this forum is pretty bad.
I know , I've posted plenty of goofy, pointless crap in search of a laugh.
But, I was never cruel and avoid harsh, endless insults of other members.

You seem like an intelligent man and enjoy debating various issues.
 I took our recent exchange a bit too personal . That was wrong on my part.
With all due respect, I urge you as mod to promote a more civil, positive tone on this forum.

Thanks.

Howard

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on August 03, 2017, 03:37:42 PM
The thing that most gets me is that someone or some group carefully sculpted their way down to the now-familiar saying "election hacking" or to say our "election was hacked" because it's the most effective way to give a purposely misleading impression of what's known to be true.

That's it.

It took a focused effort for the MSM to decide upon those exact words, to be repeated thousands upon thousands of times.

Now, that's creepy.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on August 03, 2017, 03:47:21 PM
Why do you guys suppose that someone who'd "hack" our election wouldn't go right for the vote-tallying system?  In the main report itself it says that it wasn't touched.

Why's that?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 04:04:57 PM
Using the definition of "hacking" that you posted, it's clear someone hacked John Podesta's email.  But using "hacking" in the context of this entire stupid conspiracy theory is incomprehensible.  Saying Russia "hacked" our election implies they got into voting machines, changed vote tallies, etc., and that Trump was somehow involved in this effort.  That's the point you appear to understand.  It's the dumbest conspiracy theory since 9/11 Troofers arrived on the scene. 

The power of implication and perception is enormous. Wise people assume a "wait and see" position. Unfortunately not everything that happens can be proved. Theories should not be used to condemn or prosecute a person. It is unfortunate that sometimes they are.

One of the times I served on jury duty, the defendant was charged with a DUII. It was not her first. Everyone on the jury was convinced that there was a strong likelihood she'd been drinking when she was arrested. Unfortunately, the prosecution provided no proof, just theories and assumptions. We jurors found her innocent.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on August 03, 2017, 04:20:05 PM
That sounds interesting, Prime.

And yes I think certain individuals would be thrilled if they could keep a cloud of negativity over Trump's entire time in office as we "wait and see" what happens with the "election hacking" story.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
I apologize if my sincere open gesture to speak by phone was considered inappropriate ( creepy) by you.
I suspect I'm older then you, and talking by phone is what I prefer.
Of course, you never know who's out there , so ,I understand the concern for personal safety.

You don't need to agree with me and many here don't.
A good natured  jab is fine but the lack of civility on this forum is pretty bad.
I know , I've posted plenty of goofy, pointless crap in search of a laugh.
But, I was never cruel and avoid harsh, endless insults of other members.

You seem like an intelligent man and enjoy debating various issues.
 I took our recent exchange a bit too personal . That was wrong on my part.
With all due respect, I urge you as mod to promote a more civil, positive tone on this forum.

Thanks.

Howard



Well I agree you post tons of pointless crap. 

Your apology is accepted.  Thank you.

I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 04:22:56 PM
Why do you guys suppose that someone who'd "hack" our election wouldn't go right for the vote-tallying system?  In the main report itself it says that it wasn't touched.

Why's that?

I believe the report said that there was no evidence of this. No evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There are any number of reasons for the inconclusiveness. Perhaps hacking the vote-tallying system is too obvious. Maybe the hackers didn't have the expertise to do it.

Didn't Trump say that there was widespread voter fraud that favored Clinton? Neither this accusation nor the claim that the Russians hacked the vote-tallying system have been proved.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
The power of implication and perception is enormous. Wise people assume a "wait and see" position. Unfortunately not everything that happens can be proved. Theories should not be used to condemn or prosecute a person. It is unfortunate that sometimes they are.

One of the times I served on jury duty, the defendant was charged with a DUII. It was not her first. Everyone on the jury was convinced that there was a strong likelihood she'd been drinking when she was arrested. Unfortunately, the prosecution provided no proof, just theories and assumptions. We jurors found her innocent.

I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 04:27:51 PM
I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 

Thank you. The type of posts you are referring to do get old, not only for me but I suspect for the rest of the board too. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on August 03, 2017, 04:29:05 PM
I believe the report said that there was no evidence of this. No evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There are any number of reasons for the inconclusiveness. Perhaps hacking the vote-tallying system is too obvious. Maybe the hackers didn't have the expertise to do it.

Didn't Trump say that there was widespread voter fraud that favored Clinton? Neither this accusation nor the claim that the Russians hacked the vote-tallying system have been proved.

That covers just about everything under the sun, though, doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 03, 2017, 04:35:54 PM
That covers just about everything under the sun, though, doesn't it?

Yep.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Howard on August 03, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Well I agree you post tons of pointless crap. 

Your apology is accepted.  Thank you.

I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 

Thanks you for accepting my apology.
I was unaware anyone ever got a "time out" for chronic abuse.
Thanks for informing me and doing your job.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on August 03, 2017, 04:51:20 PM
Yeah, I happened to have read that report and the main thrust of it involves complaints against Russian Media.  Not only was there no real substance to it, but I'd bet big money that the activity noted has occurred in the past, in a direct upswing right along with the development of technology.  It simply doesn't make sense to believe anything else.  It really doesn't.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 11, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Mueller’s Targets Face Financial Strain
Paul Manafort owns many homes. Mike Flynn is a right wing superstar. But the Russia probe is gobbling up their cash at an alarming rate.
BETSY WOODRUFF
08.11.17

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort parted ways with WilmerHale, the law firm defending him, earlier this week. That was largely because Bob Mueller’s 16-lawyer Russia probe—which is targeting him—has shifted its focus and is drilling down on tax issues, which aren’t WilmerHale’s specialty. But the parting of ways with WilmerHale was also in part because Manafort’s finances are increasingly strained, according to sources familiar with the situation.

“Paul Manafort’s resolve is limitless, but his resources are not,” said a person close to Manafort.

Manafort isn’t the only person facing financial challenges because of the legal costs of responding to Mueller’s probe. Michael Flynn, the retired general and deposed National Security Adviser, is struggling mightily with his mounting legal bills, according to a source familiar with his situation. The expenses has put his family’s finances under significant duress, the source said, and it’s expected he will soon create a legal defense fund to keep from going bankrupt.

Hiring the high-powered Washington lawyers necessary to respond to a deep-dive Justice Department investigation can be extraordinarily costly. And Manafort—despite his past lucrative contracts with foreign governments, and despite the fact that he owns numerous properties around the country—is feeling the pinch. Sources say that’s part of the reason he is no longer retaining WilmerHale; the firm is known for handling Congressional investigations, but Mueller’s probe has now shifted its focus to international tax issues—which meant Manafort needed lawyers with that expertise. So he has brought in Miller Chevalier, a boutique Washington law firm full of international law experts, and has parted with WilmerHale.

David Rivkin, a longtime conservative Washington attorney who worked in the Justice Department under Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, said Mueller’s probe is undoubtedly straining the finances of all its targets.

“It’s obvious that it has morphed into an open-ended investigation that is way beyond the Russian collusion, and the only unifying principle seems to be that it covers people who are close to Trump or worked with Trump,” he said. “And that is a classical definition of a fishing expedition.”

Mueller’s legal team has 16 attorneys, as well as other support staff, and it’s funded by the Justice Department. Mueller’s team includes former federal prosecutors with broad-ranging areas of expertise who are highly motivated and aggressive.

“It obviously has a deleterious effect on both people’s professional lives—in terms of their ability to carry out their jobs—but also on a personal level,” Rivkin continued. “People who are being severely financially stressed by this investigation.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-targets-face-financial-strain
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on August 11, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
I wonder how much this is costing us the tax payers.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on August 11, 2017, 10:13:35 PM
I wonder how much this is costing us the tax payers.

Too much. Just like Benghazi and Clinton's blowjob.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on August 12, 2017, 06:34:36 AM
Thanks you for accepting my apology.
I was unaware anyone ever got a "time out" for chronic abuse.
Thanks for informing me and doing your job.

Howard, what do you think about this collusion hacking?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 18, 2017, 02:07:40 PM
White House Lawyer Cobb Predicts Quick End to Mueller Probe
Friday, 18 Aug 2017

The White House lawyer brought in to deal with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election said he believed the focus of the probe was "narrow" and the aspects related to President Donald Trump should be completed before the end of the year.

The lawyer, Ty Cobb, who joined the White House staff on July 31, made the comments in interviews with Reuters on Tuesday and Wednesday. He declined to provide specifics backing his outlook, which contradicts media reports that the scope of Mueller’s probe is expanding and the views of several outside experts that the investigation is likely to continue well into 2018.

"I'd like to see the president out from under this by Thanksgiving, but certainly by year end," Cobb said, adding that he would be "embarrassed" otherwise. "I think the relevant areas of inquiry by the special counsel are narrow."

Mueller is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, among other matters. Moscow has denied interfering in the election and the president has denied collusion took place.

Cobb, who resigned from law firm Hogan Lovells to take the White House job, said he meets with or talks to Trump almost daily and interacts with Mueller's team. Cobb said he could not discuss those communications.

As a White House lawyer, Cobb is in a different position than the president's outside counsel John Dowd and Jay Sekulow. Cobb would not be able to assert attorney-client privilege to protect his conversations with Trump from a grand jury subpoena.

Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, declined to comment on any timeline for the probe or which matters would fall under the special counsel's aegis.

Trump has said he believes investigations of his and his family's finances would be beyond the scope of Mueller's probe. Mueller is reportedly already looking at Trump's business dealings going back a decade.

Cobb said he believed Mueller's 16-lawyer team was "appropriately focused" and understood "the urgency to the country and to the presidency" of finishing the probe as quickly as possible.

Several legal experts said Cobb's timeline was unrealistic, noting similar probes have dragged on for years.

"I cannot imagine a universe in which the prosecutor's office is giving the president a clean bill of health before Thanksgiving of this year," said Andrew Wright, an associate White House counsel under President Barack Obama. "It's a very complicated investigation."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cobb-predicts-end-to-mueller/2017/08/18/id/808472/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on August 19, 2017, 10:15:31 PM
British spy behind Trump-Russia dossier could be forced to talk after US court ruling

A U.S. District court judge has put a former British spy one step closer to facing questions under oath about the controversial dossier he authored alleging President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign team plotted with Russian agents.

A ruling by Judge Ursula Ungaro allows lawyers for a Russian technology executive named in the dossier to seek British approval to question onetime MI6 agent Christopher Steele about the funding and sourcing of the dossier under oath. The request was made as part of a libel suit brought by Webzilla CEO Aleksej Gubarev against the website Buzzfeed, which was first to publish the dossier Steele prepared.

[...]

Interest in the funding and sourcing for the dossier led the Senate Judiciary Committee to summon Glenn Simpson, the head of the Washington, D.C.-based research firm Fusion GPS that commissioned Steele’s work, to a closed session meeting scheduled for Tuesday. In a letter to Simpson, Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, indicated he wants Simpson to reveal who first hired him to investigate Trump’s Russia ties and which government agencies received copies when it was completed.

[...]

If he has the opportunity to take Steele’s sworn testimony, Gurvits said, “my number-one question is, ‘Why was this allegation about my clients included [in the dossier]?” he said. “Where did you get it? What did you do to verify it? And who did you communicate it to?"

In June court filings in the United Kingdom, Steele’s attorneys answered the last question, telling the court he shared his findings with a representative of Sen. John McCain. Arrangements were then made through an intermediary to get the document to McCain, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, “so that it was known to … the United States governments at a high level by persons with responsibility for national security,” Steele’s filing in British court says.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/british-spy-trump-russia-dossier-forced-talk-us/story?id=49271590
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
All part of the plan.  Putin has Trump right where he wants him now. 

Trump administration retaliates against Russia, forces closure of US posts

Published August 31, 2017
Fox News
 
The Trump administration on Thursday retaliated against Russia for expelling hundreds of U.S. diplomats, announcing it is requiring Russia to close several posts in major American cities.

The State Department, in a statement that warned of a “downward spiral” in relations, announced the U.S. is requiring Russia close its consulate general in San Francisco as well as its chancery annex in Washington, D.C., and consular annex in New York City.

“These closures will need to be accomplished by September 2,” spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in the statement.

The decision was in retaliation for Russian President Vladimir Putin kicking out more than 700 U.S. diplomats – after Trump, reluctantly, signed a sanctions law passed by Congress.

While calling the Russian order “unwarranted,” Nauert said Thursday that the U.S. has “fully implemented” the reduction of the U.S. mission in Russia. She described the new demand on Moscow to reduce its presence in the United States as being “in the spirit of parity invoked by the Russians.”

“With this action both countries will remain with three consulates each,” she said. “While there will continue to be a disparity in the number of diplomatic and consular annexes, we have chosen to allow the Russian Government to maintain some of its annexes in an effort to arrest the downward spiral in our relationship.”

She said the U.S. hopes “we can avoid further retaliatory actions by both sides and move forward to achieve the stated goal of both of our presidents: improved relations between our two countries and increased cooperation on areas of mutual concern.”

She added, “The United States is prepared to take further action as necessary and as warranted.”

Earlier this month, Trump signed a bill imposing sanctions on Russia after the legislation overwhelmingly passed the House and Senate. The sanctions stemmed from Russia’s invasion of Crimea in 2014 and its attempted interference in the United States’ presidential election in 2016.

After Congress passed the sanctions in July, Putin said 755 U.S. diplomats would be expelled from Russia by Sept. 1.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/31/trump-administration-retaliates-against-russia-forces-closure-us-posts.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2017, 01:07:08 PM
Breaking news for the tin foil hat dummies pushing this loony conspiracy theory. 

Putin jokes that Tillerson 'fell in with the wrong crowd'
By Miranda Green, CNN
Thu September 7, 2017

Washington (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin teased US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Thursday, saying that since the former ExxonMobil executive was given a Russian state honor in 2013 he "fell in with the wrong crowd."

"We also awarded the Order of Friendship to Mr. Tillerson, your fellow countryman, but fell in with the wrong crowd. He is moving to a slightly different direction but I hope the wind of friendship and cooperation will take him to the right path eventually," Putin, who was addressing an American moderator, said during a plenary session at the Eastern Economic Forum in the Russian city of Vladivostok.

In 2013, Putin awarded Tillerson, then CEO of ExxonMobil, the Order of Friendship, one of the highest honors Russia gives to foreign citizens. The silver badge underscored the close ties that existed for many years between the two individuals.

At the forum, however, Putin indicated that relationships between himself, the US and Tillerson were rocky, noting that in light of tensions between the two countries, his government still has connections with American companies, including energy giant Exxon.

"Despite all of our complications today on the diplomatic level, we still have contacts with American companies, including such energy giants as Exxon, and Mr. Tillerson was the head of this company in the past," Putin said. "Despite that he is organizing searches in our diplomatic institutions, we still work on resolving (problems) with his ex-company."

Putin said Russia is currently working with Exxon to resolve questions on its "biggest project," the Sakhalin 1 oil and gas fields in the Far East.
Relationships between the US and Russia have deteriorated significantly in recent months. Following a Russian order that the US cut its diplomatic staff in Russia, Tillerson announced last week that Russia must close its consulate in San Francisco and two diplomatic annexes in New York and Washington. On Tuesday, Russia threatened to sue over the closures.

At the forum, Putin also emphasized finding a diplomatic solution to the crisis on the Korean Peninsula, telling attendees that the United States could be playing into North Korea's hands by trying to ramp up the pressure on Pyongyang.

The Russian leader has been unusually outspoken about North Korea and how the global community should respond in the wake of the country's North Korea's sixth nuclear test Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/07/politics/vladimir-putin-rex-tillerson/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2017, 05:20:30 PM
Bannon was dead on when he said Hillary Clinton is not very bright.

Hillary Clinton accuses Trump associates of helping Russia influence the 2016 election
Bryan Logan
   
Hillary Clinton has made crystal clear whom she blames for Russia's interference in the 2016 US presidential election.

In an interview with USA Today published Monday night, Clinton said she thought associates of Donald Trump had an "understanding" that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted her to lose and Trump to win.

"There certainly was communication, and there certainly was an understanding of some sort," Clinton said.

"And there's no doubt in my mind that there are a tangle of financial relationships between Trump and his operation with Russian money," Clinton said, adding that she was confident the Trump campaign "worked really hard to hide their connections with Russians."

Clinton's remarks echo those of congressional investigators who have pointed to some top-level officials within Trump's inner circle accused of misrepresenting their contacts with Russian diplomats and insiders tied to the Kremlin during and after the 2016 campaign.

Members of that inner circle include, among others:

Trump's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn.
Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.
And Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.

Robert Mueller, the FBI's special counsel, is deep into a multipronged investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Kremlin during the US election. His investigation, along with those of several congressional committees, includes explosive public and private testimony from James Comey, the FBI director Trump fired in May, and from some of Trump's top aides.

The investigation has also put many White House staffers in the crosshairs and prompted some to retain private counsel. Kushner, Trump Jr., Manafort, and Sessions have denied any wrongdoing. Trump has repeatedly sought to discredit the Russia investigation by calling it "an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won."

Clinton, who is now promoting her new book, "What Happened," which documents the turbulent 2016 election, acknowledged that she deserved some of the blame for her failed 2016 presidential bid and specifically criticized her campaign's failures.

She also said that using a private email server while she was secretary of state — the move that would prompt an FBI investigation and disintegrate her campaign — was a "boneheaded mistake."

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-accuses-trump-campaign-of-helping-russia-2016-election-2017-9
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 18, 2017, 07:00:56 PM
Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman
By Evan Perez, Shimon Prokupecz and Pamela Brown, CNN
Mon September 18, 2017

Washington (CNN)US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.
Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team, which is leading the investigation into Russia's involvement in the election, has been provided details of these communications.

A secret order authorized by the court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) began after Manafort became the subject of an FBI investigation that began in 2014. It centered on work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine's former ruling party, the sources told CNN.

The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the sources.

The FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year.

Sources say the second warrant was part of the FBI's efforts to investigate ties between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives. Such warrants require the approval of top Justice Department and FBI officials, and the FBI must provide the court with information showing suspicion that the subject of the warrant may be acting as an agent of a foreign power.

It is unclear when the new warrant started. The FBI interest deepened last fall because of intercepted communications between Manafort and suspected Russian operatives, and among the Russians themselves, that reignited their interest in Manafort, the sources told CNN. As part of the FISA warrant, CNN has learned that earlier this year, the FBI conducted a search of a storage facility belonging to Manafort. It's not known what they found.

The conversations between Manafort and Trump continued after the President took office, long after the FBI investigation into Manafort was publicly known, the sources told CNN. They went on until lawyers for the President and Manafort insisted that they stop, according to the sources.

It's unclear whether Trump himself was picked up on the surveillance.

The White House declined to comment for this story. A spokesperson for Manafort didn't comment for this story.

Manafort previously has denied that he ever "knowingly" communicated with Russian intelligence operatives during the election and also has denied participating in any Russian efforts to "undermine the interests of the United States."

The FBI wasn't listening in June 2016, the sources said, when Donald Trump Jr. led a meeting that included Manafort, then campaign chairman, and Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law, with a Russian lawyer who had promised negative information on Hillary Clinton
 
That gap could prove crucial as prosecutors and investigators under Mueller work to determine whether there's evidence of a crime in myriad connections that have come to light between suspected Russian government operatives and associates of Trump.

Origins of the FBI's interest in Manafort
The FBI interest in Manafort dates back at least to 2014, partly as an outgrowth of a US investigation of Viktor Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president whose pro-Russian regime was ousted amid street protests. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption, and Ukrainian authorities claimed he squirreled millions of dollars out of the country.

Investigators have spent years probing any possible role played by Manafort's firm and other US consultants, including the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC, that worked with the former Ukraine regime. The basis for the case hinged on the failure by the US firms to register under the US Foreign Agents Registration Act, a law that the Justice Department only rarely uses to bring charges.
All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.

It hasn't proved easy to make a case.

Last year, Justice Department prosecutors concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or anyone of the other US subjects in the probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. 

The FBI and Justice Department have to periodically seek renewed FISA authorization to continue their surveillance.

As Manafort took the reins as Trump campaign chairman in May, the FBI surveillance technicians were no longer listening. The fact he was part of the campaign didn't play a role in the discontinued monitoring, sources told CNN. It was the lack of evidence relating to the Ukraine investigation that prompted the FBI to pull back.

Renewed surveillance
Manafort was ousted from the campaign in August. By then the FBI had noticed what counterintelligence agents thought was a series of odd connections between Trump associates and Russia. The CIA also had developed information, including from human intelligence sources, that they believed showed Russian President Vladimir Putin had ordered his intelligence services to conduct a broad operation to meddle with the US election, according to current and former US officials.

The FBI surveillance teams, under a new FISA warrant, began monitoring Manafort again, sources tell CNN.

The court that oversees government snooping under FISA operates in secret, the surveillance so intrusive that the existence of the warrants only rarely become public.

For that reason, speculation has run rampant about whether Manafort or others associated with Trump were under surveillance. The President himself fueled the speculation when in March he used his Twitter account to accuse former President Barack Obama of having his "wires tapped" in Trump Tower.

The Justice Department and the FBI have denied that Trump's own "wires" were tapped.

While Manafort has a residence in Trump Tower, it's unclear whether FBI surveillance of him took place there.

Manafort has a home as well in Alexandria, Virginia. FBI agents raided the Alexandria residence in July.

The FBI also eavesdropped on Carter Page, a campaign associate that then candidate Trump once identified as a national security adviser. Page's ties to Russia, including an attempt by Russian spies to cultivate him, prompted the FBI to obtain a FISA court warrant in 2014.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2017, 05:57:31 AM
Trump was right. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on September 19, 2017, 08:52:05 AM
Trump was right. 

Actually. Not really. Trump said they tapped Trump. Which they didn't.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2017, 10:56:30 AM
Actually. Not really. Trump said they tapped Trump. Which they didn't.



 ::) 

Please.  They tapped manafort knowing he was talking to trump all the time and hoped to catch trump on tape saying something. 

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on September 19, 2017, 12:51:30 PM
::) 

Please.  They tapped manafort knowing he was talking to trump all the time and hoped to catch trump on tape saying something. 



Words matter. They tapped Manafort because they had a warrant to do so. You're a lawyer, you know that they tap people because of A. If B happens to show up, that's not because they are trying to catch B, but sometimes they do anyway.

This is not some smoking gun that they are "tapping Trump". That's not how it works.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on September 19, 2017, 08:53:42 PM
Actually. Not really. Trump said they tapped Trump. Which they didn't.


He said they tapped Trump Towers.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on September 19, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Words matter. They tapped Manafort because they had a warrant to do so. You're a lawyer, you know that they tap people because of A. If B happens to show up, that's not because they are trying to catch B, but sometimes they do anyway.

This is not some smoking gun that they are "tapping Trump". That's not how it works.
Rember Clapper said they weren't tapping anyone in the Trump Camp
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on September 20, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
He said they tapped Trump Towers.

Which they didn't from what I can tell.

Rember Clapper said they weren't tapping anyone in the Trump Camp

I don't recall those specific words, but he may have said it. I'll have to go back and look. If he did. Well I guess we know what's up.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 20, 2017, 04:05:20 AM
Gun-wielding FBI agents busted into Manafort’s home while he was asleep
NY Post ^ | September 19, 2017 | David K. Li
Posted on 9/20/2017, 4:29:25 AM by Oshkalaboomboom

Gun-wielding FBI agents busted into Paul Manafort’s home as he was asleep in bed and even searched his wife for weapons, it was revealed Tuesday.

Agents took an unusually tough approach in executing a search warrant, dealing with potential financial crimes by President Trump’s former campaign chief, sources familiar with the July 25 raid, told CNN.

The pre-dawn, guns-blazing tactics and weapons search of Kathleen Manafort left the Alexandria, Va. couple shaken, according to CNN’s report.

Manafort is in the crosshairs of special counsel Robert Mueller, as he probes Russian interference into the 2016 presidential election.

Mueller’s dovetail investigation of Manafort stretches into potential financial wrongdoing dating back to January, 2006.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...





Absurd. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on September 20, 2017, 11:23:58 PM
Which they didn't from what I can tell.

I don't recall those specific words, but he may have said it. I'll have to go back and look. If he did. Well I guess we know what's up.
He lived in Trump towers, so you think they didn't listen to him there?  Clapper has said they didn't many times on CNN.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2017, 05:33:00 PM
Maxine Waters: I 'guarantee' Trump is colluding with Russia
BY TAYLOR LORENZ - 09/21/17

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), one of President Trump's most vocal critics, said Thursday she can “guarantee” that he is colluding with the Russians to undermine American democracy.

Waters, who has repeatedly called for Trump's impeachment, made the statements at a Congressional Black Caucus town hall meeting on civil rights in Washington, D.C.

"Here you have a president who I can tell you and guarantee you is in collusion with the Russians to undermine our democracy. Here you have a president that has obstructed justice. And here you have a president that lies every day," Waters said, as reported by The Washington Examiner.

She also encouraged members of Congress to pursue impeachment.

"How many of you in your organizations have said 'Impeach 45? ... Well, they don't have what it takes, they don't have the laws yet. Impeachment is about whatever the Congress says it is,” she said. “There is no law that can dictate impeachment. What the Constitution says is 'high crimes and misdemeanors' and we define that. Bill Clinton got impeached because he lied.”

Multiple Democrats have called for Trump's impeachment, but the party's leadership in Congress has urged caution, saying the investigations into last year's Russian election meddling don't yet warrant it.

Waters has become famous on the internet for her harsh words against Trump. In August, she called him “the most deplorable person I have ever met” and that there was “something terribly wrong with him.”

She said prior to his inauguration that she believed Trump would eventually be thrown out of office, and added in April that she would “fight every day until he is impeached.” In her eulogy for comedian Dick Gregory at his funeral this past Saturday, Waters said, “I’m gonna say ‘Impeach 45 everyday, Impeach 45 everyday, Impeach 45 everyday.’”

She has also taken to calling White House staff the “Kremlin Klan” and advocated for an aggressive independent investigation into Russian interference in the election and whether Trump conspired with Moscow.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/351748-maxine-waters-i-can-guarantee-trump-is-colluding-with-russia
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on September 21, 2017, 06:51:35 PM
Poor Maxine. Dementia is a bitch.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on September 21, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
Maxine Waters: I 'guarantee' Trump is colluding with Russia
BY TAYLOR LORENZ - 09/21/17

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), one of President Trump's most vocal critics, said Thursday she can “guarantee” that he is colluding with the Russians to undermine American democracy.

Waters, who has repeatedly called for Trump's impeachment, made the statements at a Congressional Black Caucus town hall meeting on civil rights in Washington, D.C.

"Here you have a president who I can tell you and guarantee you is in collusion with the Russians to undermine our democracy. Here you have a president that has obstructed justice. And here you have a president that lies every day," Waters said, as reported by The Washington Examiner.

She also encouraged members of Congress to pursue impeachment.

"How many of you in your organizations have said 'Impeach 45? ... Well, they don't have what it takes, they don't have the laws yet. Impeachment is about whatever the Congress says it is,” she said. “There is no law that can dictate impeachment. What the Constitution says is 'high crimes and misdemeanors' and we define that. Bill Clinton got impeached because he lied.”

Multiple Democrats have called for Trump's impeachment, but the party's leadership in Congress has urged caution, saying the investigations into last year's Russian election meddling don't yet warrant it.

Waters has become famous on the internet for her harsh words against Trump. In August, she called him “the most deplorable person I have ever met” and that there was “something terribly wrong with him.”

She said prior to his inauguration that she believed Trump would eventually be thrown out of office, and added in April that she would “fight every day until he is impeached.” In her eulogy for comedian Dick Gregory at his funeral this past Saturday, Waters said, “I’m gonna say ‘Impeach 45 everyday, Impeach 45 everyday, Impeach 45 everyday.’”

She has also taken to calling White House staff the “Kremlin Klan” and advocated for an aggressive independent investigation into Russian interference in the election and whether Trump conspired with Moscow.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/351748-maxine-waters-i-can-guarantee-trump-is-colluding-with-russia

The senile hag who claimed that Putin is advancing into Korea is now “guaranteeing” about a collusion? What will happen if her “guaranteed” claim turns out to be wrong? (Rhetorical question)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on September 21, 2017, 07:07:52 PM
If she has some proof (which of course she doesn't then she should share it with Mueller)

Statements like this just make her look like an idiot

On the other hand, Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary and then only a short time later she get's hacked by the Russians

As far as I'm concerned proof of collusion

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: TuHolmes on September 23, 2017, 10:11:16 AM
He lived in Trump towers, so you think they didn't listen to him there?  Clapper has said they didn't many times on CNN.
I think warrants are given specifically on the person they requested.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 26, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
They will no doubt be indicted for colluding with the Russian government to help President Trump get elected, so he could be a Russian puppet. 

Blumenthal: '99 Percent Sure' Manafort, Flynn Will Be Indicted

By Jason Devaney   |   Tuesday, 26 Sep 2017

Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., is just about convinced former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort will be indicted by the Department of Justice.

Blumenthal spoke with Politico about the ongoing Russia investigation and what he feels is a likely outcome.

"I'm about 99 percent sure there will be some criminal charges from this investigation," said Blumenthal, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Regarding Flynn and Manafort, Blumenthal said they "are the most prominent, but there may well be others."

Manafort has been under investigation off and on for several years by the FBI. He is currently one of the subjects of special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe over allegations he violated IRS laws via his international consulting business. Reports say he will likely be indicted.

Flynn did lobbying work for the Turkish government last year while he was advising the Trump campaign. He resigned from his post as national security adviser in February after it was reported he lied about contacts with the Russian ambassador to the United States.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/richard-blumenthal-paul-manafort-indicted-investigation/2017/09/26/id/815909/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2017, 11:08:06 AM
Now facebook ads are part of the conspiracy.  lol

Exclusive: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin
By Manu Raju, Dylan Byers and Dana Bash, CNN
October 4, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 04, 2017, 12:15:47 PM
Now facebook ads are part of the conspiracy.  lol

Exclusive: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin
By Manu Raju, Dylan Byers and Dana Bash, CNN
October 4, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html

is that why she never campaigned there?  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
is that why she never campaigned there?  :D

All part of the plan. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2017, 01:29:28 PM
Judge Nap: If There Was Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion, We'd Have Heard It by Now

The Senate Intelligence Committee's ranking members updated the public today about their probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said the investigation is continuing into whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians.

"The committee continues to look into all evidence to see if there was any hint of collusion. The issue of collusion is still open," he said.

Judge Andrew Napolitano said today that the press conference was a positive for President Trump, since the evidence of collusion remains to be seen.

"If there was evidence, we would know it," said Napolitano, adding that "partisans," like ranking Democrat Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), would have divulged the information by now.

"They'd be flying a freak flag on that. Are you kidding me? It'd be leaking all over the place," Harris Faulkner agreed.

He predicted President Trump will tweet that the press conference shows there is no "there there" when it comes to the Russia investigation.

The senior judicial analyst pointed out that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation is focused on the collusion question and is "100 times broader" than the intelligence committee's probe.

Watch more from "Outnumbered Overtime" above.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/04/trump-russia-collusion-judge-napolitano-says-still-no-evidence-given
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 04, 2017, 04:17:11 PM
Now facebook ads are part of the conspiracy.  lol

Exclusive: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin
By Manu Raju, Dylan Byers and Dana Bash, CNN
October 4, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html

Where have you been? Facebook has been getting a lot of shit for the advertisements they've allowed for awhile now.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on October 04, 2017, 04:33:02 PM
::) 

Please.  They tapped manafort knowing he was talking to trump all the time and hoped to catch trump on tape saying something. 



I'd bet that, too.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on October 04, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Yes, of course that possibility was considered when they made the decsion to do it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
Where have you been? Facebook has been getting a lot of shit for the advertisements they've allowed for awhile now.

Ok?  Why should we care?  Does this help prove the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on October 04, 2017, 08:54:00 PM
Where is the list of Russians who were dealing with Trumps people?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
Russians' lawyer says new documents show Trump Tower meeting not about dirt on Clinton
By Pamela Brown and Jeremy Herb, CNN
Mon October 9, 2017

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/politics/russia-trump-tower-meeting-new-documents/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 10, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Ok?  Why should we care?  Does this help prove the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory?

We should be concerned about any foreign interference in U.S. elections.
Probably not. It shows that the Russians interfered with this election in favor of Trump.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
We should be concerned about any foreign interference in U.S. elections.
Probably not. It shows that the Russians interfered with this election in favor of Trump.

It shows they had ads on facebook.  The kind of "interference" they have been doing for years.  The kind of interference we have been doing in other countries for years. 

None of this proves that the Russian government conspired with President Trump to get elected.  It's still as dumb as the faked moon landing conspiracy (which I've since learned was a conspiracy started by Russia).
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 10, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
It shows they had ads on facebook.  The kind of "interference" they have been doing for years.  The kind of interference we have been doing in other countries for years.  

None of this proves that the Russian government conspired with President Trump to get elected.  It's still as dumb as the faked moon landing conspiracy (which I've since learned was a conspiracy started by Russia).

I didn't say the adds proved a Russian/Trump conspiracy.

I hope you are not suggesting that this kind of interference is okay because the U.S. and other countries (mainly Russia) have been doing it for years. It is wrong, no matter who does it or how long it has gone on.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on October 10, 2017, 04:47:16 PM
I didn't say the adds proved a Russian/Trump conspiracy.

I hope you are not suggesting that this kind of interference is okay because the U.S. and other countries (mainly Russia) have been doing it for years. It is wrong, no matter who does it or how long it has gone on.

Then why weren't we told about it before?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
I didn't say the adds proved a Russian/Trump conspiracy.

I hope you are not suggesting that this kind of interference is okay because the U.S. and other countries (mainly Russia) have been doing it for years. It is wrong, no matter who does it or how long it has gone on.

Bruh, this entire discussion is about whether Trump conspired with Putin to get elected president so he could become a Russian puppet.  

I'm not suggesting "interference" is ok.  I'm saying it isn't relevant to this wacky conspiracy theory.  And it didn't dictate the outcome of the election.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on October 10, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Misrepresenting something as being "news" makes it look like they failed to warn us of something they claim is very important.

What's up with that?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on October 10, 2017, 05:11:50 PM
Pretty lousy feeling, knowing media cannot be trusted.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 10, 2017, 06:32:08 PM
hillary spent a billion dollars and yet 100k from Russian hackers swayed the election?   LMFAO
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2017, 08:48:01 PM
MSNBC, NYT Won’t Let Go Of Trump-Russia Collusion Narrative
By Chris Reeves | October 27, 2017

On Friday’s broadcast of Deadline: White House, host Nicolle Wallace and MSNBC national security analyst Jeremy Bash were stoked to inflate the latest reporting from The New York Times “proving” that Trump’s campaign colluded with the Kremlin to “hack” last year’s presidential election.

What was NYT’s evidence? Reportedly, Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. in Trump Tower last June, told Russia’s prosecutor general about her Magnitsky Act talking points before the June meeting.

Yup.

That’s it.

If you were expecting something more substantive, sorry, I’ve got nothing for you.

So how did Wallace and Bash get to the conclusion that Trump colluded with the Russians? Well, here’s how they put the pieces together:

WALLACE: Donald Trump started his day today by tweeting this: “It is now commonly agreed, after many months of COSTLY looking, that there was NO collusion between Russia and Trump. Was collusion with HC!” It turns out that Donald Trump often tweets the opposite of what is true. In this case, not five hours after he sent that tweet this morning, The New York Times is reporting that the Russian lawyer Natallia Veselnitskaya, who found herself in a conference room deep inside Trump Tower sitting across from the President's son, his son-in-law, and his campaign chairman was closely tied to the Kremlin.

(...)

WALLACE: According to The New York Times, quote: “The coordination between the Trump Tower visitor and the Russian prosecutor general undercuts Ms. Veselnitskaya’s account that she was a purely independent actor when she sat down with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, and Paul Manafort, then [...] campaign chairman. It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact.”

(...)

WALLACE: What is the significance of The New York Times confirming in a report today, essentially the opposite of what Donald Trump rolled over and pounded out with his thumbs, I have to guess, on Twitter? He says that there was no collusion while The New York Times offers yet another fact pattern to prove that there was indeed collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.

BASH: Yeah, let's go through precisely, Nicolle, where this new piece of information fits in the collusion question. So, first of all, there are a number of circumstantial pieces of evidence that demonstrate collusion: the longstanding financial ties between the Trump organization and Russia; candidate Trump and President Trump's fawning over Putin and his pro-Putin policies; and, of course, all the back-door discussions, private secret discussions between Jared Kushner and the Russians and Mike Flynn, then National Security Adviser, and the Russians. But those are circumstantial. Now on the direct evidence side on the ledger, you have the June meeting in which it was set up with an e-mail from a representative of a Russian oligarch saying: this is part of the Russian government’s support for the Trump campaign. And now comes this piece of evidence which directly corroborates that other piece of direct evidence. It, in a sense, states that the Kremlin knew that this delegation was going to Trump Tower, they authorized it, and they greenlighted the talking points. That is direct evidence of collusion.

Apparently, Russians discussing things with other Russians is now Trump directly “colluding” with Russians.

Even if one takes The New York Times allegations at face value that there was a coordinated effort between Veselnitskaya, the Russian prosecutor, and the Kremlin itself to influence the Trump campaign, are liberal journalists now seriously suggesting that being the target of a disinformation or influence campaign is the same as participating in it? Should we expect to see future nonsensical segments on MSNBC that call for prosecuting thieves or rapists or murderers with their victims?

Frankly, I wouldn’t put anything past them at this point.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/chris-reeves/2017/10/27/msnbc-and-nyt-wont-let-go-trump-russia-collusion-narrative
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
They got how many people working on this nutty conspiracy theory and have spent how much already, and this is what they have to show for it??  Swing and a miss. 

Ex-Trump aide Manafort charged with US tax fraud over Ukraine work

Donald Trump's former presidential campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has been charged with conspiring to defraud the US in his dealings with Ukraine.

The 12 charges brought against Mr Manafort and one of his business associates, Rick Gates, include conspiracy to launder money.
They stem from an inquiry into alleged Russian meddling in the US election.

It has emerged that another adviser to Mr Trump admitted this month to lying about his links to Russia.

George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI agents about his dealings with an unnamed overseas academic who allegedly informed him that the Russians possessed "dirt" on Mr Trump's presidential opponent, Hillary Clinton.

The charges against Mr Manafort and Mr Gates do not relate to Mr Trump's campaign but to the alleged concealment of payments from the pair's Ukrainian business dealings up to 2016.

Who's who in the Russian drama?
Manafort's short reign on the Trump campaign
An investigation headed by special counsel Robert Mueller is looking into any links between Russia and the Trump campaign. Both sides deny any collusion.
Responding to news of the charges, Mr Trump tweeted to point out that they did not concern his campaign and asked why "the focus" was not on alleged wrongdoing involving Mrs Clinton instead.

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What does this mean for Trump?
For years Paul Manafort operated on the fringes of power, a once-influential Washington player who worked with some less-than-savoury international characters because his services were no longer in high demand domestically, the BBC's Anthony Zurcher writes from Washington.

Then, like many other politicos in Donald Trump's orbit, he was thrust into the spotlight because more established hands wanted nothing to do with the upstart's presidential campaign.

Mr Manafort got his big break but it may end up breaking him. That resulting spotlight has drawn attention to Mr Manafort's past dealings and raised questions about his actions while in at the top of the Trump campaign.

The good news for Mr Trump is these charges stem from Mr Manafort's past business dealings, not his campaign efforts. He is being accused of working for years for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians and laundering millions in subsequent payments.

It certainly makes Mr Trump's decision to cut Mr Manafort loose last August after details emerged of his Ukrainian ties seem a wise one.

The good news has its limits, however. Mr Manafort will be under growing pressure to co-operate with the Mueller investigation. If he offers up useful information about his time during the campaign, this could be just the first domino to fall.

What are the charges against Manafort and Gates?
The indictment looks at their links to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine between 2006 and 2015.

It says they acted as "unregistered agents" of Ukrainian politician Viktor Yanukovych and his party, both in opposition and government.

Mr Yanukovych was deposed as president in 2014 amid mass unrest over his pro-Russian policies.

Mr Manafort is accused of having laundered more than $18m (£14m) through offshore bank accounts, using it to buy property, goods and services in transactions concealed from the US authorities.

He is said to have "used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle" in America.

Altogether, at least $75m in payments from Ukraine flowed through the accounts, the indictment says.

Mr Manafort and his lawyer arrived at an FBI office in Washington on Monday.

Mr Gates is accused of having transferred more than $3m from the offshore accounts to other accounts he controlled. He has been ordered to surrender to authorities, according to US media reports.

No immediate comment from lawyers for Mr Manafort and Mr Gates was reported after the charges were revealed.

What were Manafort's links to Trump?
Mr Manafort, 68, has worked on several Republican presidential campaigns, beginning with Gerald Ford's in 1976.

He resigned as chairman of the Trump campaign in August 2016 after being accused over his dealings with pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine. He denies any wrongdoing.

US intelligence agencies believe the Russian government sought to help Mr Trump win the election.

How does the Papadopoulos case affect Trump?
The justice department statement on Mr Trump's former foreign policy adviser has the potential to damage the US leader because it relates directly to his election campaign.

When Mr Papadopoulos was interviewed by the FBI this January, he told them that his interactions with the foreign professor, who is said to have "substantial connections to Russian government officials", had taken place before he joined the Trump campaign in March 2016.

But according to the US justice department, his meetings with the professor actually took place after he became an adviser to Mr Trump. The professor only took interest in him because of his new status within the Trump campaign, it is alleged.

Mr Papadopoulos admitted having sought to arrange a meeting "between the Campaign and Russian government officials".

The alleged Russian "dirt" on Mrs Clinton took the form of "thousands of emails". No further details were given.

Why did Trump bring up Clinton?
On Friday, Mr Trump accused Mrs Clinton of links with Moscow.

Republican lawmakers have alleged that a uranium deal with a Russian company in 2010, when Mrs Clinton was secretary of state, was sealed in exchange for donations to her husband's charity.

A Congressional investigation has been opened into the case. Democrats say it is an attempt to divert attention from the alleged ties between Russia and Mr Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41804740
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
Ed Klein: Mueller's Russia Probe 'Pretty Pathetic'
Monday, 30 Oct 2017

Special prosecutor Robert Mueller's investigation has proved "pretty pathetic," failing to probe all aspects of supposed collusion with Russia during the 2016 election, writer Ed Klein said Monday.

In an interview on Newsmax TV's "The Howie Carr Show," Klein said if Mueller did what he was supposed to,"he would look at the Democrats and Hillary [Clinton]," including their funding of opposition research that led to a notorious dossier on then-candidate Donald Trump — and alleged links between a 2010 uranium deal with Russia and the Clinton Foundation.

"The clear need [is] for somebody to take a look at the Clintons, not [President] Donald Trump," declared Klein, the author of "All Out War: The Plot To Destroy Trump."

He said Monday's indictment of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort "reminds me of what happened in the 1920s when the FBI went after Al Capone."

"They couldn't find anything and they got him on tax evasion," he said. "And it's the same thing with Manafort."

"It's pretty pathetic, because the Mueller special counsel group is up for refinancing by Congress and I think he puts this out in order to show them he was doing something," Klein added. "But he's certainly not doing what he was supposed to do, which is look into Russian collusion."

"It seems to me that it's pretty darn clear from this dossier story that the Democrats were closer to the Russians than any Republicans were during the campaign," Klein added.

"Certainly the Clinton campaign was, we know it now because they paid for that dossier which was based on Russian misinformation."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ed-klein-robert-mueller-paul-manafort-russia-investigation/2017/10/30/id/823004/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2017, 07:13:08 PM
Good read.

The Manafort Indictment: Not Much There, and a Boon for Trump
by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY   October 30, 2017
@ANDREWCMCCARTHY
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on October 30, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
They got how many people working on this nutty conspiracy theory and have spent how much already, and this is what they have to show for it??  Swing and a miss. 

Damn Bum, too bad George Papadopoulos didn't have a smart guy like you for his attorney

Poor bastard pled guilty for nothing
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 30, 2017, 07:16:28 PM
Damn Bum, too bad George Papadopoulos didn't have a smart guy like you for his attorney

Poor bastard pled guilty for nothing

They expect one of us in the wreckage brother.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on October 30, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother.

I've already said that if Podesta broke the law I hope he gets caught and fully prosecuted

That's the way you should feel about anyone don't you agree ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 30, 2017, 07:23:18 PM
I wonder if Mueller would ever concede after finding nothing on Trump that next to Reagan he’s one of the most honest Presidents this country has ever had.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on October 30, 2017, 07:32:49 PM
I wonder if Mueller would ever concede after finding nothing on Trump that next to Reagan he’s one of the most honest Presidents this country has ever had.

If you truly believe this you need to check yourself into the nearest hospital for a brain scan

It's hard to imagine you're actually this stupid without some kind of underlying neurological disorders or maybe a brain tumor

Even the Trumpiest Trumptard concedes that he is lies constantly

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 30, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
I wonder if Mueller would ever concede after finding nothing on Trump that next to Reagan he’s one of the most honest Presidents this country has ever had.

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 30, 2017, 11:59:33 PM
Interesting that no one posted anything about the two indictments issued today. One for Manafort and one for Gates. George Papadopoulos, plead guilty to lying to the FBI and in now cooperating with them on their investigating. No surprise, Trump is now trying to shut down the Muller lead investigation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on October 31, 2017, 12:41:11 AM
Interesting that no one posted anything about the two indictments issued today. One for Manafort and one for Gates. George Papadopoulos, plead guilty to lying to the FBI and in now cooperating with them on their investigating. No surprise, Trump is now trying to shut down the Muller lead investigation.

heuheuheu

kiddo manafort was working for podesta and the indictment is from there

papadopoulous was known by fbi to be collaborating with ukraine etc for years.  why didn't they stop him when he got on the trump campaign?

you're not seeing the bigger picture :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 31, 2017, 04:24:57 AM
Interesting that no one posted anything about the two indictments issued today. One for Manafort and one for Gates. George Papadopoulos, plead guilty to lying to the FBI and in now cooperating with them on their investigating. No surprise, Trump is now trying to shut down the Muller lead investigation.

How do you even manage to remember to breathe on a regular basis?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Top Poodle on October 31, 2017, 04:36:34 AM
even stupid needs brains

hey look buddy it's your folk

(the second line)

(https://s1.pixxxels.org/8gdx6zg9zj/Qt_TCq_T7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 31, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
How do you even manage to remember to breathe on a regular basis?

Meaning?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 31, 2017, 11:28:08 AM
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother.

Careful there Jake Tapper...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2017, 01:17:59 PM
Interesting that no one posted anything about the two indictments issued today. One for Manafort and one for Gates. George Papadopoulos, plead guilty to lying to the FBI and in now cooperating with them on their investigating. No surprise, Trump is now trying to shut down the Muller lead investigation.

You mean like the three posts I made earlier in this thread? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 31, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
You mean like the three posts I made earlier in this thread? 

Good on you.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
Good on you.

Interesting that no one posted anything about the two indictments issued today.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2017, 12:26:49 PM
New York Times’ coverage of Mueller is peak liberal bias
By Michael Goodwin November 5, 2017

A friend likens The New York Times to a 1960s adolescent who refuses to grow up.  In a perpetual state of outrage, it is a newspaper of college snowflakes who embrace all forms of diversity except thought.

It sees its liberal politics not as a point of view, but as received wisdom that cannot be legitimately disputed.

The fixation on conformity reached a new low last week when the paper rolled out a coordinated attack on those of us who believe special counsel Robert Mueller ought to resign. I say coordinated because the newsroom and the opinion page produced similar pieces on the same day, showing again how Executive Editor Dean Baquet has erased the barrier between news and opinion and turned every page into an opinion page.

In the Times’ view, there are only two reasons to question Mueller’s credibility: insanity or treason. And so we detractors stand accused of engaging in a conspiracy that will embolden adversaries like Russia and produce a “constitutional crisis.”

The animating impulse for the assault is obvious — the Times is locked into its mission of destroying President Trump, and, like Hillary Clinton, still cannot accept Trump’s election as legitimate.

Consider that the paper’s dozen Op-Ed columnists are all Never-Trumpers. That’s either a remarkable coincidence or a litmus test for hiring.

But the paper, following a bad habit it developed during Barack Obama’s presidency, is not content with advocating its positions. Behaving like a party propaganda outlet, it takes a coercive approach to anyone with a different view. Objections are demonized as heretical.

The reactionary tone of both pieces last week, and following ones by columnists Nicholas Kristof and Bret Stephens, carries the unavoidable assumption that Trump is guilty of colluding with Russia, and so critics of Mueller are subversives with unpatriotic aims.

The spear carrier for the Times’ newsroom opinion, media reporter Jim Rutenberg, singled me out for making a “dubious argument” that Mueller has too many conflicts of interest. Rutenberg, who assumed the role of Baquet’s apologist for its biased coverage of Trump, flatly declared doubts about Mueller unwarranted because “there is no evidence to support the assertion that the Democrats hired Fusion GPS with the purpose of getting Russians to spread ‘wild allegations’ about Mr. Trump.”

His straw man is a diversion and his logic turns the concept of evidence on its head, making it required before an investigation can start. Isn’t the point of investigations to find evidence?

Besides, if the lack of evidence is sufficient to avoid investigation, why is Mueller still investigating Trump, since more than a year of FBI probes has turned up no evidence of Trump wrongdoing.

The editorial page was even more venomous, calling criticism of the special counsel “crazy talk.” Incredibly, it also equated us with those who were silent in the face of Nazis by opening the editorial with, “And then they came for Robert Mueller.”

The zeal to protect Mueller from any criticism raises the question of why the Times cares so much. With the mainstream media in lockstep with its jihad against Trump,
why bother to smear a handful of skeptics?

My great sin was to argue that Mueller’s close relationship with his successor at the FBI, James Comey, was always a problem and that recent developments created a situation that was fixable only by resignation.

Those added conflicts include the revelation that Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic Party paid for the Russian dossier against Trump, with some of its paid sources linked to the Kremlin.

Because the FBI reportedly used the dossier to launch its probe of Trump and considered hiring its author, any probe faithful to Mueller’s assignment would include an examination of the FBI’s role in 2016.

That would put Mueller in the untenable position of investigating the agency he led for 12 years.

Moreover, as questions grow about whether the Obama White House used the dossier as justification for unmasking Trump associates picked up in wiretaps in an attempt to swing the election to Clinton, Mueller’s probe must also examine the previous administration. But that, too, is an impossible task for him because he spent more than four years working for Obama, where he was a colleague of ­Clinton’s.

Resignation under these circumstances is not a radical idea, especially because I did not call for the Russia probe to end. I merely stated an obvious fact about how serious conflicts of interest are routinely resolved in the criminal-justice ­system.

For example, a judge with Mueller’s relationships and history would almost certainly be recused from overseeing those cases, so why should a special counsel investigating the president be held to a lesser standard? And if Justice Department rules required Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from anything related to the 2016 campaign because he was a Trump surrogate, those same rules should apply to Mueller’s relationship with Clinton, Obama and Comey.

In the end, the Times’ rabid ­defense of Mueller resembles the debacle of its 2016 campaign coverage. It never saw Trump’s victory coming because it was blinded by its hatred for him and contempt for his 63 million voters.

A year later, the Gray Lady has learned nothing.

http://nypost.com/2017/11/05/new-york-times-coverage-of-mueller-is-peak-liberal-bias/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: LittleJ on November 08, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
I wonder if Mueller would ever concede after finding nothing on Trump that next to Reagan he’s one of the most honest Presidents this country has ever had.

You need to become a comedian.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2017, 01:36:18 PM
You need to become a comedian.

Isn't he already a comedian? Do you mean he's actually serious?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 13, 2017, 05:18:29 PM
Another useless fact to prove a nonexistent nutty conspiracy theory.

Donald Trump Jr. Messaged With WikiLeaks During Presidential Campaign
The messages were handed over to congressional investigators probing Russia’s influence on the 2016 election.
POLITICS 11/13/2017
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-wikileaks_us_5a0a1277e4b0bc648a0d431e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 08:42:41 AM
Michael Flynn charged with making false statements to the FBI: Documents
ABC News ^ | December 1, 2017 | ADAM KELSEY and VERONICA STRACQUALURSI
Posted on 12/1/2017, 9:24:47 AM by E. Pluribus Unum

Michael Flynn, the former Trump national security adviser who was dismissed earlier this year, was charged with making false statements to the FBI Friday, becoming the latest associate of the president's to face charges related to the special counsel probe.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: LittleJ on December 01, 2017, 09:02:18 AM
Donnie is finished
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Flynn coordinated Russia call with senior transition official, prosecutors say
The Hill ^ | December 1, 2017 | Katie Bo Williams
Posted on 12/1/2017, 12:17:26 PM by Pinkbell

Former national security advisor Michael Flynn spoke with a "senior official" in President’s Trump's transition team at the Mar-a-Lago resort to discuss what he should communicate to the Russian ambassador in a highly-scrutinized series of phone calls in December of 2016, according to federal prosecutors.

Flynn and the senior officials discussed both the recently implemented U.S. sanctions on Russia, as well as the fact that they did not want Russia to escalate friction between the two nations, lawyers on special counsel Robert Mueller's team told a federal judge Friday. 

After the discussion, Flynn telephoned the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak. Afterwards, he called the senior transition official and reported the sanctions discussion, prosecutors said.

Kislyak later followed up with Flynn and affirmed that Russia would moderate its response to the sanctions, put in place by then-President Obama. Flynn communicated that exchange to other transition officials, prosecutors said. 

Flynn on Friday pleaded guilty to one count of providing false statements to federal investigators, thereby admitting to the charges made by Mueller's prosecutors.

According to court documents filed by Mueller, Flynn lied when he told investigators that he did not ask Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation" in response to sanctions that Obama had levied on the Russian Federation.

Flynn also lied, the counsel said, when Flynn said he did not ask the ambassador to either delay or defeat a related U.N. Security Council vote.   Prosecutors told Judge Rudolph Contreras that Flynn was told by the senior member of Trump transition team to reach out to other countries to influence the U.N. vote, in an effort to delay or defeat the resolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...

________________________ ________________________ _______

How is this a crime at all?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: lilhawk1 on December 01, 2017, 12:33:10 PM
Did you crawl out from under a rock this week or what?  ^^
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 01, 2017, 12:53:15 PM
A feather in Mueller's cap, but doesn't provide a scintilla of proof that Trump conspired with Russia to get elected president so he could become a Russian puppet.  

That makes two indictments and two convictions having nothing to do with this asinine conspiracy theory.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Al Doggity on December 01, 2017, 01:19:08 PM

________________________ ________________________ _______

How is this a crime at all?


LOL If it was Obama admin, im sure it would be crystal clear.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 01:25:16 PM

LOL If it was Obama admin, im sure it would be crystal clear.

Of course! obama farting in that tacky couch cushin was a clear crime just the same 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on December 01, 2017, 01:39:15 PM
Flynn coordinated Russia call with senior transition official, prosecutors say
The Hill ^ | December 1, 2017 | Katie Bo Williams
Posted on 12/1/2017, 12:17:26 PM by Pinkbell

Former national security advisor Michael Flynn spoke with a "senior official" in President’s Trump's transition team at the Mar-a-Lago resort to discuss what he should communicate to the Russian ambassador in a highly-scrutinized series of phone calls in December of 2016, according to federal prosecutors.

Flynn and the senior officials discussed both the recently implemented U.S. sanctions on Russia, as well as the fact that they did not want Russia to escalate friction between the two nations, lawyers on special counsel Robert Mueller's team told a federal judge Friday. 

After the discussion, Flynn telephoned the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak. Afterwards, he called the senior transition official and reported the sanctions discussion, prosecutors said.

Kislyak later followed up with Flynn and affirmed that Russia would moderate its response to the sanctions, put in place by then-President Obama. Flynn communicated that exchange to other transition officials, prosecutors said. 

Flynn on Friday pleaded guilty to one count of providing false statements to federal investigators, thereby admitting to the charges made by Mueller's prosecutors.

According to court documents filed by Mueller, Flynn lied when he told investigators that he did not ask Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation" in response to sanctions that Obama had levied on the Russian Federation.

Flynn also lied, the counsel said, when Flynn said he did not ask the ambassador to either delay or defeat a related U.N. Security Council vote.   Prosecutors told Judge Rudolph Contreras that Flynn was told by the senior member of Trump transition team to reach out to other countries to influence the U.N. vote, in an effort to delay or defeat the resolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...

________________________ ________________________ _______

How is this a crime at all?

Come on, you're a lawyer, right? It is a crime to lie to the FBI.

https://www.quora.com/Is-lying-to-the-FBI-during-an-investigation-a-serious-crime

"18 USC 1001, 5 years for lying to any federal agent or officer about a material matter within their jurisdiction."

"Note that you don’t have to be under oath to be charged, and a simple denial, like “I didn’t do it,” when in fact you did, is enough to trigger the charge."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 01:58:55 PM
Yes ling to feds is a crime.  I'm talking about the other stuff

Come on, you're a lawyer, right? It is a crime to lie to the FBI.

https://www.quora.com/Is-lying-to-the-FBI-during-an-investigation-a-serious-crime

"18 USC 1001, 5 years for lying to any federal agent or officer about a material matter within their jurisdiction."

"Note that you don’t have to be under oath to be charged, and a simple denial, like “I didn’t do it,” when in fact you did, is enough to trigger the charge."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
A feather in Mueller's cap, but doesn't provide a scintilla of proof that Trump conspired with Russia to get elected president so he could be come a Russian puppet.  

That makes two indictments and two convictions having nothing to do with this asinine conspiracy theory.  

yeah, two cooperating witnesses

nothing to worry about there ::) ::)

Mueller could have (and still can) charge Flynn with other crimes.

The likely reason of only this single charge (with sentencing not scheduled for over a year) is almost certainly due to Flynn providing as much cooperation as possible for other charges against ...?

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 01, 2017, 02:01:53 PM
Of course! obama farting in that tacky couch cushin was a clear crime just the same 

 ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 03:11:40 PM
https://ntknetwork.com/leon-panetta-its-a-stretch-to-say-trump-team-broke-law-with-russian-contacts

 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on December 01, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24222/fake-news-abc-news-makes-huge-mistake-report-flynn-ryan-saavedra
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SF1900 on December 01, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
Man, I can't believing you people spend all this time debating political topics.

None of you will ever know the full truth, as it's filtered through many mediums. You're only giving partial truths. We are all partial knowers.

Do any of you actually believe that what you post is the "truth?"
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 01, 2017, 05:25:14 PM
Man, I can't believing you people spend all this time debating political topics.

None of you will ever know the full truth, as it's filtered through many mediums. You're only giving partial truths. We are all partial knowers.

Do any of you actually believe that what you post is the "truth?"

You miss the point of the board.  It's designed to be an exchange of ideas, not some amorphous search for "truth."  

And you're overstating the ability to determine the truth.  There is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  For example, we know Senator Krusty the Clown took a picture pretending to (or actually) groping a woman.  And we know Congressman Joe Barton was cheating on his wife.  Plenty of other examples.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on December 02, 2017, 10:41:59 AM
oh dear.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SF1900 on December 02, 2017, 10:53:59 AM
You miss the point of the board.  It's designed to be an exchange of ideas, not some amorphous search for "truth." 

And you're overstating the ability to determine the truth.  There is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  For example, who know Senator Krusty the Clown took a picture pretending to (or actually) groping a woman.  And we know Congressman Joe Barton was cheating on his wife.  Plenty of other examples.

lol at an exchange of ideas on getbig haha lol.

And the issues you point out are not political issues. They are domestic/marriage issues. Joe Barton cheating on his wife is not a political issue.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on December 02, 2017, 02:42:16 PM
oh dear.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=750801;image)

Will the agent and the lawyer be investigated on whether their actions or potential bias tainted the investigations (both the current one and the Clinton investigation)? Mueller has been trying to create the perception of a thorough and neutral investigation, will he address this? Rhetorical questions probably.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
Will the agent and the lawyer be investigated on whether their actions or potential bias tainted the investigations (both the current one and the Clinton investigation)? Mueller has been trying to create the perception of a thorough and neutral investigation, will he address this? Rhetorical questions probably.

wasn't this guy removed from the investigation last summer

from what I've read he made comments making fun of "candidate Trump" and the concern was that they could be interpreted as pro-Clinton

Given that fact that many Republicans made derogatory comments about candidate Trump and then endorsed and/or voted for him I don't see what the problem is
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on December 02, 2017, 06:59:54 PM
wasn't this guy removed from the investigation last summer

from what I've read he made comments making fun of "candidate Trump" and the concern was that they could be interpreted as pro-Clinton

Given that fact that many Republicans made derogatory comments about candidate Trump and then endorsed and/or voted for him I don't see what the problem is

Lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on December 03, 2017, 01:03:21 AM
Will the agent and the lawyer be investigated on whether their actions or potential bias tainted the investigations (both the current one and the Clinton investigation)? Mueller has been trying to create the perception of a thorough and neutral investigation, will he address this? Rhetorical questions probably.

Mueller aide fired for anti-Trump texts now facing review for role in Clinton email probe

Two senior Justice Department officials have confirmed to Fox News that the department's Office of Inspector General is reviewing the role played in the Hillary Clinton email investigation by Peter Strzok, a former deputy director for counterintelligence at the FBI who was removed from the staff of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III earlier this year, after Mueller learned that Strzok had exchanged anti-Trump texts with a colleague.

A source close to the matter said the OIG probe, which will examine Strzok's roles in a number of other politically sensitive cases, should be completed by "very early next year."

The task will be exceedingly complex, given Strzok's consequential portfolio. He participated in the FBI's fateful interview with Hillary Clinton on July 2, 2016 – just days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced he was declining to recommend prosecution of Mrs. Clinton in connection with her use, as secretary of state, of a private email server.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/mueller-aide-fired-for-anti-trump-texts-now-facing-review-for-role-in-clinton-email-probe.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 03, 2017, 05:53:27 AM
Mueller aide fired for anti-Trump texts now facing review for role in Clinton email probe

Two senior Justice Department officials have confirmed to Fox News that the department's Office of Inspector General is reviewing the role played in the Hillary Clinton email investigation by Peter Strzok, a former deputy director for counterintelligence at the FBI who was removed from the staff of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III earlier this year, after Mueller learned that Strzok had exchanged anti-Trump texts with a colleague.

A source close to the matter said the OIG probe, which will examine Strzok's roles in a number of other politically sensitive cases, should be completed by "very early next year."

The task will be exceedingly complex, given Strzok's consequential portfolio. He participated in the FBI's fateful interview with Hillary Clinton on July 2, 2016 – just days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced he was declining to recommend prosecution of Mrs. Clinton in connection with her use, as secretary of state, of a private email server.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/mueller-aide-fired-for-anti-trump-texts-now-facing-review-for-role-in-clinton-email-probe.html

Less than 48 hours and once again the hopes and dreams of Libs are shattered. :'( :'(


Donald J. Trump
@real DonaldTrump

Report: “ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE”  Now it all starts to make sense!


—————-

Let the meltdowns begin!!!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 03, 2017, 06:32:29 AM

What a damn joke.


Less than 48 hours and once again the hopes and dreams of Libs are shattered. :'( :'(


Donald J. Trump
@real DonaldTrump

Report: “ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE”  Now it all starts to make sense!


—————-

Let the meltdowns begin!!!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on December 03, 2017, 06:33:40 AM
They've been trying for awhile now to get info on the reason why he was demoted and were getting blocked.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-nunes-blows-up-threatens-contempt-after-fbi-stonewalls-house-on-russia-investigator-demoted-for-anti-trump-bias/article/2642387


"House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes has issued an angry demand to the FBI and Department of Justice to explain why they kept the committee in the dark over the reason Special Counsel Robert Mueller kicked a key supervising FBI agent off the Trump-Russia investigation.

Stories in both the Washington Post and New York Times on Saturday reported that Peter Strzok, who played a key role in the original FBI investigation into the Trump-Russia matter, and then a key role in Mueller's investigation, and who earlier had played an equally critical role in the FBI's Hillary Clinton email investigation, was reassigned out of the Mueller office because of anti-Trump texts he exchanged with a top FBI lawyer, Lisa Page, with whom Strzok was having an extramarital affair. Strzok was transferred to the FBI's human resources office — an obvious demotion -- in July......"
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 03, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
ABC News Suspends Brian Ross for 4 Weeks Without Pay: ‘Effective Immediately’
The Wrap ^
Posted on 12/2/2017, 5:58:15 PM by Snickering Hound

ABC News has announced that Brian Ross would be suspended for four weeks without pay “effective immediately.”

“It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience – these are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday,” the network said in a statement on Saturday. “Effective immediately, Brian Ross will be suspended for four weeks without pay.”

Ross came under considerable fire on Friday after he erroneously reported on live television that then-candidate Donald Trump had instructed Michael Flynn to make contact with the Russians.

(Excerpt) Read more at thewrap.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on December 03, 2017, 11:45:07 AM
You miss the point of the board.  It's designed to be an exchange of ideas, not some amorphous search for "truth."  

And you're overstating the ability to determine the truth.  There is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  For example, we know Senator Krusty the Clown took a picture pretending to (or actually) groping a woman.  And we know Congressman Joe Barton was cheating on his wife.  Plenty of other examples.

Hehe. Never gets old  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 04, 2017, 07:30:32 AM
Bob Mueller ‘Has a Huge Conflict of Interest,’ Says Former Assistant FBI Director
breitbart ^ | DANIEL J. FLYNN
Posted on 12/4/2017, 10:12:08 AM by davikkm

The former assistant director of the FBI wonders who investigates the investigators in the wake of former Trump administration national security advisor Michael Flynn pleading guilty to lying to the FBI and agreeing to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. “Bob Mueller should have never been offered nor accepted the job as special counsel as he has a huge conflict of interest,” Jim Kallstrom tells Breitbart News. “He should have recused himself.”

Not only do observers describe Mueller and the man he recommended to replace him as FBI director, James Comey, as close or even best friends, but the special counsel pursues an investigation heavily involving the bureau he once led. How one maintains detachment in leading a team that includes numerous anti-Trump partisans in a probe involving one’s close friend and the former bureau for which Mueller served as director goes unexplained.

Other problems Kallstrom sees include the means by which investigators obtained information and what constituted probable cause to obtain it.

“The Obama administration apparently, had the advantage of using electronic surveillance, collecting information on the Trump campaign,” Kallstrom explains. “That collection, in my view, may be found to be unlawful.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ..
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:01:38 AM
lol at an exchange of ideas on getbig haha lol.

And the issues you point out are not political issues. They are domestic/marriage issues. Joe Barton cheating on his wife is not a political issue.



Yes they are political issues.  That's why Franken is in front of the Senate Ethics Committee and Barton is refusing to run for reelection. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:10:42 AM
Byron York: In Trump-Russia probe, was it all about the Logan Act?
by Byron York | Dec 3, 2017

The documents outlining Michael Flynn's guilty plea in the Trump-Russia investigation do not allege collusion or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the 2016 election. They do, however, suggest that the Obama Justice Department was intensely interested in Flynn's discussions with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak about policy issues -- sanctions against Russia, a United Nations resolution on Israel -- during the presidential transition, when Barack Obama was still in the White House and Donald Trump was preparing to take office.

At the time, top Justice officials suspected Flynn of violating the Logan Act, the 218 year-old law under which no one has ever been prosecuted, that prohibits private citizens from acting on behalf of the United States in disputes with foreign governments. Starting in the summer of 2016 and intensifying in the transition period, the Logan Act, while mostly unknown to the general public, became a hot topic of conversation among some Democrats. A number of lawmakers, former officials, and commentators called on the Obama administration to investigate the Trump team for a possible Logan Act violations -- and to do it while Democrats still controlled the executive branch.

At the same time, inside the Obama Justice Department, it appears the Logan Act became a paramount concern among some key officials in the critical weeks of December 2016 and January 2017. Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates has told Congress that the Logan Act was the first reason she intervened in the Flynn case -- the reason FBI agents were sent to the White House to interview Flynn in the Trump administration's early days. It was that interview, held on January 24, 2017, that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea.

In short, there's no doubt the Logan Act, a law dismissed as a joke or an archaic irrelevancy or simply unconstitutional by many legal experts, played a central role in the Obama administration's aggressive and enormously consequential investigation of its successor.

Democrats began accusing Trump of Logan Act violations in the summer of 2016, immediately after the Republican convention, when Trump sarcastically invited Russia to produce the 30,000-plus emails that Hillary Clinton deleted rather than turn over to investigators. "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump said during a July 27 news conference. "I think that you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press -- let's see if that happens, that'll be nice."

The next day, Tom Vilsack, Obama's Secretary of Agriculture and on Hillary Clinton's vice presidential short list, accused Trump of violating the Logan Act. "That's a no-no, you can't do that," Vilsack said. "That's not legal."

Following Vilsack was Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill. "I believe it violates the Logan Act," McCaskill said, "and I think he should be investigated for that."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Trump's statement "a treasonous act." Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said it "borders on treason."

Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe weighed in the next day. "The Logan Act, which was enacted back in 1799 and fundamentally says that you cannot engage in negotiations with a foreign power," Tribe told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell. "It hasn't been used, but that's because we haven't had very many Donald Trumps, thank God, in our history. I think he's violated that act."

On August 3, two more Democratic senators, Chris Coons and Sheldon Whitehouse, called for a hearing on Trump and the Logan Act. "Mr. Trump's comments implicate U.S. criminal laws prohibiting engagement with foreign governments that threaten the country's interests, including the Logan Act and the Espionage Act," they wrote.

On August 9, Democratic Reps. Patrick Murphy, Andre Carson, and Eric Swalwell called for a House hearing to examine whether Trump violated the Logan Act, among other statutes.

In September, Rep. John Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the FBI's then-director, James Comey, whether the bureau was investigating Trump for a possible violation of the Logan Act. Comey declined to answer.

At that same hearing, another Democrat, Rep. Ted Deutch, asked Comey about reports that sometime Trump foreign policy advisory board member Carter Page traveled to Moscow in July 2016. "If an American citizen, Director Comey, conducted meetings with a Russian individual who has been sanctioned by the United States about potential weakening of U.S. sanctions policy, in violation of the Logan Act, would the FBI investigate?" Deutch asked.

"I don't think it's appropriate to answer that," Comey responded.

There wasn't much public discussion of the Logan Act in October and November, as the campaign reached its final weeks and the political world dealt with the shock of Trump's victory. The subject re-emerged in December as Democrats, stunned and angry, watched Trump prepare for the presidency -- and prepare to undo many of Obama's policies.

On December 8, Democratic Rep. Jared Huffman introduced the "One President at a Time Act of 2016." The bill would have amended the Logan Act to specify that a president-elect, or anyone acting on a president-elect's behalf, was specifically subject to its restrictions. The bill "just makes it explicitly clear that the president-elect is just like every other private citizen during the transition period," Huffmann told MSNBC's O'Donnell. "They can't go around purporting to conduct U.S. foreign policy."

On December 20, Reps. Conyers and Sheila Jackson Lee asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump for a possible violation of the Logan Act.

On December 22, former Obama State Department official Wendy Sherman told MSNBC that Trump's actions on a UN resolution concerning Israeli settlements implicated the Logan Act. "People have said to me today it crosses the line of the Logan Act," Sherman said. "We have one president at a time. And Donald Trump is really playing with fire."

On the day Sherman appeared, Michael Flynn spoke on the phone with Kislyak about that pending UN resolution concerning Israeli settlements. "Flynn informed the Russian ambassador about the incoming administration's opposition to the resolution, and requested that Russia vote against or delay the resolution," said the "Statement of the Offense," the Mueller document released with Flynn's guilty plea. The next day, December 23, the two men spoke again and Kislyak informed Flynn that Russia would not do as the Trump team requested.

A few days later, on December 29, Flynn and Kislyak spoke again, according to the Mueller statement. This time the subject was the new sanctions Obama imposed on Russia in retaliation for election meddling. Flynn "requested that Russia not escalate the situation and only respond to the U.S. sanctions in a reciprocal manner."

Two days later, on December 31, Kislyak called Flynn to say that "Russia had chosen not to retaliate in response to Flynn's request."

U.S. intelligence agencies recorded the calls; Kislyak was the subject of American monitoring, so a wiretap on him on these occasions picked up Flynn, too. It appears Obama administration officials immediately saw the Flynn-Kislyak conversations as a possible Logan Act violation. They knew, of course, that given the history of the law, a Logan Act prosecution was a virtual impossibility. They knew that many foreign policy experts would see such contacts between an incoming administration and a foreign power as an acceptable and normal course of business in a presidential transition. Nevertheless, approaching the Flynn-Kislyak talks in the context of a criminal violation -- the Logan Act -- gave the Obama team a pretense to target Flynn, and thus the new Trump administration.

A critical moment came two weeks later, on January 12, 2017, when the Washington Post's David Ignatius reported the Flynn-Kislyak calls. Ignatius said his source was a "senior U.S. government official." "What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions?" Ignatius asked. "The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about 'disputes' with the United States."

It was a stunning leak; the existence and content of U.S. spy intercepts are highly, highly classified. But the Obama administration let the information out.

Ignatius' report set off a new round of media discussion about the Logan Act. That led to more action on Capitol Hill. On the same day Ignatius' column appeared, Rep. Huffman, author of the "One President at a Time Act of 2016," joined 34 other House Democrats to urge Attorney General Loretta Lynch to appoint a special counsel to investigate whether Flynn violated the Logan Act. "Our national interests require that the Logan Act be enforced, especially during the delicate and potentially vulnerable period of a presidential transition," Huffman and his colleagues wrote.

The conversation only intensified in the following days. The Logan Act was central to that conversation -- in the media, and inside the Obama Justice Department.

On January 24, with the new administration in office just four days, FBI agents interviewed Flynn in the White House. They questioned him about the Kislyak calls, about sanctions, about the UN resolution. FBI officials had a transcript of the original conversations to check Flynn's answers against, and the criminal charge against him today stems from the discrepancy between his answers and the transcript. (One of the mysteries of the whole affair is why Flynn would lie about a conversation that he, as a former top intelligence official, should have known was being recorded.)

But why did the Justice Department, run by Obama holdover Sally Yates, decide to interrogate Flynn in the first place? The answer is the Logan Act.

"Yates, then the deputy attorney general, considered Flynn's comments in the intercepted call to be 'highly significant' and 'potentially illegal,' according to an official familiar with her thinking," the Washington Post reported on February 13. "Yates and other intelligence officials suspected that Flynn could be in violation of an obscure U.S. statute known as the Logan Act, which bars U.S. citizens from interfering in diplomatic disputes with another country."

In its version of the story, the New York Times reported that "Obama advisers" were concerned about the Flynn-Kislyak calls. "The Obama advisers grew suspicious that there had been a secret deal between the incoming [Trump] team and Moscow, which could violate the rarely enforced, two-century-old Logan Act barring private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers in disputes with the Unites States," the paper reported. The paper added that the Obama advisers asked the FBI if Flynn and Kislyak had discussed a quid pro quo, only to learn the answer was no.

So even though there was no discussion of a quid pro quo, and even though, as reported in the Post account, Yates knew there was "little chance" of actually bringing a Logan Act prosecution against Flynn -- despite all that, Yates went ahead with the questioning of Flynn. And two days after that, Yates, along with an aide, went to the White House to tell counsel Don McGahn that there was a legal problem with the national security adviser.

Yates described the events in testimony before a Senate Judiciary Committee subcommittee on May 8, 2017. She told lawmakers that the Logan Act was the first concern she mentioned to McGahn.

"The first thing we did was to explain to Mr. McGahn that the underlying conduct that Gen. Flynn had engaged in was problematic in and of itself," Yates said. That seems a clear reference to the Logan Act, although no one uttered the words "Logan Act" in the hearing at which Yates testified. "We took him [McGahn] through in a fair amount of detail of the underlying conduct, what Gen. Flynn had done."

Yates and the aide returned to the White House the next day, January 27, for another talk with McGahn. McGahn asked Yates "about the applicability of certain statutes, certain criminal statutes," Yates testified. That led Sen. Chris Coons -- he had called for an investigation of the Trump team for Logan Act violations months before -- to ask Yates what the applicable statutes would be.

"If I identified the statute, then that would be insight into what the conduct was," Yates answered. "And look, I'm not trying to be hyper-technical here. I'm trying to be really careful that I observe my responsibilities to protect classified information. And so I can't identify the statute."

While Yates became reticent in the witness chair, the public nevertheless knows from that "official familiar with her thinking" that Yates believed Flynn might have violated the Logan Act, a suspicion she shared with other Obama administration officials.


As for another concern that Yates said she had over the Flynn-Kislyak conversations -- the worry that Flynn's lie to Vice President Mike Pence (that sanctions were not discussed on the call) would open Flynn up to possible blackmail -- perhaps that is a legitimate concern, but why did it warrant FBI questioning of Flynn under the penalty of prosecution for making false statements? Certainly Yates could have warned the White House about that without interrogating Flynn at all.

Instead, it was the prospect of a Logan Act prosecution that led to the FBI interview, which then, when Flynn lied to investigators, led to his guilty plea on a false statements charge.

From today's perspective, nearly a year later, it has become apparent that, farfetched as it might seem, the Logan Act made it possible for the Obama administration to go after Trump. The ancient law that no one has ever been prosecuted for violating was the Obama administration's flimsy pretense for a criminal prosecution of the incoming Trump team.

And by the way, when it finally came time to charge Flynn with a crime, did prosecutors, armed with the transcripts of those Flynn-Kislyak conversations, choose to charge him with violating the Logan Act? Of course not. But for the Obama team, the law had already served its purpose, months earlier, to entangle the new administration in a criminal investigation as soon as it walked in the door of the White House.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-in-trump-russia-probe-was-it-all-about-the-logan-act/article/2642434
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
Mark Levin Slams Media Gushing Over Mueller's 'Mickey Mouse Investigation,' Flynn Plea Deal
By Tim Graham | December 2, 2017

Chris Pandolfo at Conservative Review relayed that Mark Levin slammed the media on his national radio show Friday night for gushig all over special counsel Robert Mueller and his prodding former national security adviser Mike Flynn to plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI. But he noted Flynn was talking about contacts with Russians during the transition, which proves nothing about colluding before the election.

“[Special counsel Robert] Mueller’s investigation is a Mickey Mouse investigation, and he proved it yet again today, what a joke it is,” Levin said. “Has anybody been indicted for colluding to affect the outcome of the election?...There's nothing criminal, there's nothing illegal for an incoming administration to speak to other governments...It would be bizarre if such contacts weren't made."

Levin singled out CNN. "Of course, CNN right out of the box tried to confuse you because they didn't make it clear the timeline, what Flynn was alleged to have done, has confessed to have done, has nothing to do with the election. It didn't even happen during the course of the election!" He compared it to the Martha Stewart case, where the style guru was convicted of lying to investigators about a stock sale.

The radio star summarized that all they have is false-statement pleas, and failure-to-register pleas, charges a U.S. attorney's office could handle: "This so far is a crap investigation, with crap outcomes. [Mueller] was appointed, at least theoretically, to find collusion. Did he find collusion? He was appointed to find collusion related to what ... to the election! This is post-election! And it’s not even collusion!”

Levin says Mueller is Mickey Mouse, but to the media's he's Moses: "We have a rogue special counsel. Everything he burps up is being treated as Moses coming down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments, because that's what they want, the media."

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2017/12/02/levin-slams-media-gush-over-mickey-mouse-mueller
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
What the Flynn Plea Means
by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY   December 1, 2017

There’s less to the news than meets the eye.

Former Trump-administration national-security adviser Michael Flynn is expected to plead guilty today to lying to the FBI regarding his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

Flynn, who is reportedly cooperating with the investigation of special counsel Robert Mueller, is pleading guilty in federal district court in Washington, D.C., to a one-count criminal information (which is filed by a prosecutor in cases when a defendant waives his right to be indicted by a grand jury).

The false-statement charge, brought under Section 1001 of the federal penal code, stems from Flynn’s conversation on December 29, 2016, with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak. At the time, Flynn was slated to become the national-security adviser to President-elect Donald Trump. The conversation occurred on the same day that then-president Barack Obama announced sanctions against Russia for its interference in the 2016 election. It is believed to have been recorded by the FBI because Kislyak, as an agent of a foreign power, was subject to monitoring under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Mueller has charged Flynn with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions. In being questioned by the agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”

Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution. The criminal information charges that Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.

Thus, in all, four lies are specified in the one count. The potential sentence is zero to five years’ imprisonment. Assuming Flynn cooperates fully with Mueller’s investigators, there will be little, if any, jail time.

Obviously, it was wrong of Flynn to give the FBI false information; he could, after all, have simply refused to speak with the agents in the first place. That said, as I argued early this year, it remains unclear why the Obama Justice Department chose to investigate Flynn. There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings. Plus, if the FBI had FISA recordings of Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak, there was no need to ask Flynn what the conversations entailed.

Flynn, an early backer of Donald Trump and a fierce critic of Obama’s national-security policies, was generally despised by Obama administration officials. Hence, there has always been cynical suspicion that the decision to interview him was driven by the expectation that he would provide the FBI with an account inconsistent with the recorded conversation — i.e., that Flynn was being set up for prosecution on a process crime.

While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true.

While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump-campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true. Speculation that Flynn is now cooperating in Mueller’s investigation stirred in recent days due to reports that Flynn had pulled out of a joint defense agreement (or “common interest” arrangement) to share information with other subjects of the investigation. As an ethical matter, it is inappropriate for an attorney whose client is cooperating with the government (or having negotiations toward that end) to continue strategizing with, and having quasi-privileged communications with, other subjects of the investigation and their counsel.

Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.

That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.

To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 04, 2017, 02:27:59 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html


KABOOM!!!!! 

What a damn joke
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 02:36:02 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html


KABOOM!!!!! 

What a damn joke

Scandalous, but I will be shocked if anyone is held accountable.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on December 04, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html


KABOOM!!!!!  

What a damn joke

The important bit:

The shift from "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," which may appear pedestrian at first glance, reflected a decision by the FBI that could have had potentially significant legal implications, as the federal law governing the mishandling of classified material establishes criminal penalties for "gross negligence."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 04, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
The important bit:

The shift from "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," which may appear pedestrian at first glance, reflected a decision by the FBI that could have had potentially significant legal implications, as the federal law governing the mishandling of classified material establishes criminal penalties for "gross negligence."


Yup 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 05, 2017, 05:22:25 AM
ABC News President Torches Staff Over Botched Flynn-Russia Story, (tr)
Townhall.com ^ | Dec 04, 2017 | Matt Vespa
Posted on 12/5/2017, 12:08:38 AM by Oshkalaboomboom



ABC News’ Brian Ross stepped on a rake with that botched Flynn-Russia story—and there are whisperings that his future might not be bright at the network. It all began when Ross reported that Donald Trump had ordered Michael Flynn, the ex-national security adviser, to make contact with the Russians during the 2016 election. Well, as it turns out, the timeline was off. It was after Trump had won the election, so President-elect Trump ordered Flynn to make contact with the Russians per the usual actions of any transition team laying the groundwork for an incoming administration. After several hours, ABC issued a correction:

Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS. Now, there’s audio of ABC News’ President James Goldston torching the news staff for allowing this shoddy story to get through and being reported on live television; Ross used a single, anonymous source for his report. Goldston noted how the whole news division, especially those in D.C., have to bear the brunt of this, how it makes everyone’ s job harder, and how it’s more important to be right than first. Yet, how this information was able to slip through the cracks is another issue altogether (via CNN):

During ABC News' morning editorial call Monday, audio of which was obtained by CNN, Goldston excoriated his staff for the error. "I don't think ever in my career have I felt more rage and disappointment and frustration that I felt through this weekend and through the last half of Friday," Goldston said. "I don't even know how many times we've talked about this, how many times we have talked about the need to get it right," he added. "That how we have to be right and not first. About how in this particular moment, with the stakes as high as these stakes are right now, we cannot afford to get it wrong." […] Goldston also said, "If it isn't obvious to everyone in this news division, we have taken a huge hit and we have made the job of every single person in this news division harder as a result. It's much, much harder. We have people in Washington who are going to bear the brunt of this today and in the days forward. Very, very, very, very unfortunate. Really, really angry about it." The ABC News chief said that Ross reported information that was "just plain wrong," and did so without anyone "having ever made a decision that we were going to go to air with that information." […] Goldston expressed additional frustration at the fact that it took more than seven hours for ABC News to clarify the story on ABC's "World News Tonight." Later, Friday evening, the network issued a full blown correction in a written statement. "The thing that compounded our mistake is that not only did we make a mistake, if we had then corrected ourselves right away, again -- we wouldn't be in this position. It would have been a very different story," he said. "But we ended up in the impossible situation where we had actually conflicting information that we said on air, which conflicted with the information that was online. And then it took us seven hours, eight hours to get our story straight. This is not acceptable. It's not acceptable. And we will all pay the price for a long time." […] "No one wants to work with him [Ross]," said one ABC News employee. "The future doesn't seem bright for him," added another. Goldston added that Ross would no longer be covering Trump either. He was recently given a four-week, no-pay suspension for this trip up. This isn’t the first time Ross has got a face full of buckshot for reporting shoddy leads. In 2012, after the tragic Aurora shooting, Ross reported that the shooter, James Holmes, might be a member of the Tea Party Movement. ABC News was forced to apologize for that story as well.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 05, 2017, 06:03:06 AM
Idiot joy Behar was celebrating, jumping up-and-down like a moron on the view and then had to backtrack when the story turned out to be bullshit.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 05, 2017, 06:14:35 AM
ABC News Is Reeling From Brian Ross’s Botched Report
buzzfeed ^
Posted on 12/4/2017, 8:24:51 PM

“Everyone is just in shock and very upset,” said one ABC News staffer after Ross got a major piece of news wrong about the FBI investigation.

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on December 05, 2017, 07:56:34 PM
Idiot joy Behar was celebrating, jumping up-and-down like a moron on the view and then had to backtrack when the story turned out to be bullshit.


I can't stand that women.  She was having a melt down about Trump saying you can grab a women by her pussy, but they had a pic of her grabbing Danny B, the Red head dude by the crotch.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 06, 2017, 09:54:37 AM
Another One! Mueller Deputy Was Personal Attorney of Ben Rhodes, Represented Clinton Foundation
PJ Media ^ | 12/6/2017 | Debra Heine
Posted on 12/6/2017, 11:14:27 AM by RightGeek

On Fox News Tuesday night, Laura Ingraham reported that yet another one of Robert Mueller's deputies in his Russia investigation is compromised due to her track record as a blatant partisan.

Jeannie Rhee, who was hired by Mueller last summer to work on the probe, was the personal attorney of Ben Rhodes and also represented the Clinton Foundation, Ingraham revealed. "This information will put further pressure on Special Prosecutor Bob Mueller to resign."

Rhee is the third member of the Mueller team this week who has been shown to be brazenly partisan. Two other members of the team have been revealed as highly questionable hires in recent days as well — Peter Strzok, an anti-Trumper who helped exonerate Hillary Clinton, and Andrew Weissmann, an unscrupulous prosecutor who told outgoing acting Attorney General Sally Yates in an email that he was "proud" of her for defying President Trump's travel ban.

As bad as Strzok and Weissman are, Jeannie Rhee takes the cake.

She formerly worked in the Obama Justice Department as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel, according to Fox News. Rhee was also the personal attorney for Ben "echo chamber" Rhodes, and the deputy national security adviser for President Barack Obama.

...

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 07, 2017, 11:05:01 AM
Top DOJ official demoted amid probe of contacts with Trump dossier firm
Fox News ^ | James Rossen
Posted on 12/7/2017, 12:57:17 PM by EVO X

EXCLUSIVE: A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” the department confirmed to Fox News.

Until Wednesday morning, Bruce G. Ohr held two titles at DOJ: associate deputy attorney general, a post that placed him four doors down from his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein; and director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF), a program described by the department as “the centerpiece of the attorney general’s drug strategy.”

Ohr will retain his OCDETF title but has been stripped of his higher post and ousted from his office on the fourth floor of “Main Justice.”

Initially senior department officials could not provide the reason for Ohr’s demotion, but Fox News has learned that evidence collected by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., indicates that Ohr met during the 2016 campaign with Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored the “dossier.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on December 07, 2017, 01:48:51 PM
Top DOJ official demoted amid probe of contacts with Trump dossier firm
Fox News ^ | James Rossen
Posted on 12/7/2017, 12:57:17 PM by EVO X

EXCLUSIVE: A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” the department confirmed to Fox News.

Until Wednesday morning, Bruce G. Ohr held two titles at DOJ: associate deputy attorney general, a post that placed him four doors down from his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein; and director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF), a program described by the department as “the centerpiece of the attorney general’s drug strategy.”

Ohr will retain his OCDETF title but has been stripped of his higher post and ousted from his office on the fourth floor of “Main Justice.”

Initially senior department officials could not provide the reason for Ohr’s demotion, but Fox News has learned that evidence collected by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., indicates that Ohr met during the 2016 campaign with Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored the “dossier.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

Another One! Mueller Deputy Was Personal Attorney of Ben Rhodes, Represented Clinton Foundation
PJ Media ^ | 12/6/2017 | Debra Heine
Posted on 12/6/2017, 11:14:27 AM by RightGeek

On Fox News Tuesday night, Laura Ingraham reported that yet another one of Robert Mueller's deputies in his Russia investigation is compromised due to her track record as a blatant partisan.

Jeannie Rhee, who was hired by Mueller last summer to work on the probe, was the personal attorney of Ben Rhodes and also represented the Clinton Foundation, Ingraham revealed. "This information will put further pressure on Special Prosecutor Bob Mueller to resign."

Rhee is the third member of the Mueller team this week who has been shown to be brazenly partisan. Two other members of the team have been revealed as highly questionable hires in recent days as well — Peter Strzok, an anti-Trumper who helped exonerate Hillary Clinton, and Andrew Weissmann, an unscrupulous prosecutor who told outgoing acting Attorney General Sally Yates in an email that he was "proud" of her for defying President Trump's travel ban.

As bad as Strzok and Weissman are, Jeannie Rhee takes the cake.

She formerly worked in the Obama Justice Department as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel, according to Fox News. Rhee was also the personal attorney for Ben "echo chamber" Rhodes, and the deputy national security adviser for President Barack Obama.

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What a swamp. Let's see if these people will be investigated and if they have tainted any cases with bias they might have had, these cases will be re-evaluated.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 07, 2017, 02:35:12 PM
Top Mueller investigator's Democratic ties raise new bias questions
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Post by: James on December 07, 2017, 03:20:59 PM

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on December 08, 2017, 03:20:59 PM
More Clinton ties on Mueller team: One deputy attended Clinton party, another rep'd top aide

More Clinton connections have emerged for members of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigative team, amid growing Republican complaints about potential bias inside the office created to lead an independent probe.

On Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported that Mueller investigator Andrew Weissmann, a former partner at WilmerHale, attended Hillary Clinton’s election night party last November at the Javits Center in New York City. Fox News reported earlier this week that Weissmann in January also praised outgoing acting Attorney General Sally Yates, after she was fired for refusing to defend President Trump’s travel ban.

Meanwhile, at least two Mueller investigators' past legal work for Clinton-tied figures is getting a second look as Republicans hunt for signs of bias.

Aaron Zebley, another former partner at WilmerHale and a former chief of staff to Mueller when he served as FBI director, represented Justin Cooper, a key figure in the Hillary Clinton email controversy.

Cooper is the longtime Bill Clinton aide responsible for helping set up the now-infamous private email server. Cooper later admitted to “two instances where he destroyed [Hillary] Clinton’s old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer.”

Jeannie Rhee, another former partner at WilmerHale, represented ex-Obama National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes, the Clinton Foundation in a 2015 racketeering case, and Hillary Clinton herself in a lawsuit seeking access to her private emails.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/more-clinton-ties-on-mueller-team-one-deputy-attended-clinton-party-another-repd-top-aide.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 18, 2017, 11:37:03 AM
'Nation' Writer on Russia 'Hacking': 'I’ve Never Seen Media Malpractice Like This'   
By Tom Blumer | December 16, 2017

On Friday, Fox News's Tucker Carlson interviewed Stephen F. Cohen, a contributing editor at The Nation. Cohen sharply criticized coverage at the Washington Post and the New York Times, and more generally stated that he has "never seen media malpractice" like the establishment press's year-long effort to breathe life into what he insists has been a completely ginned-up claim that Russia tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Given that it has leaned hard-left during its entire existence, it might stun readers here to know that Cohen, who is married to magazine editor Katrina vanden Heuvel, strongly believes, based on what he claims is his own extensive research, that there is no evidence of Russian U.S election influence.

Readers should keep in mind, as they view and digest Cohen's contentions, that they, if true, completely refute the "fact-checkers" at Politifact, who have decided that "Russian election interference is a 'made-up story'" is 2017's "Lie of the Year."

Politifact, which concedes that "It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election," contends that "one man" — President Donald Trump — "keeps saying it didn’t even happen," strongly implying that Trump is all alone in his belief. That's wrong — and Cohen is on Politifact's side of the aisle.

Carlson began by pointing to the print edition version of a Friday Washington Post story. The print story, which has a different headline ("How Trump's pursuit of Putin has left the U.S. vulnerable to the Russian threat") from the online version ("Doubting the intelligence, Trump pursues Putin and leaves a Russian threat unchecked"), has a subhead — "Hacking Democracy" — which assumes facts Cohen contends are not in evidence.

The full video segment from the show is here. The first excerpt which follows begins after Cohen was introduced, and deals with that Washington Post item:

Transcript (bolds are mine throughout this post):

(Snip 1, from 0:28 to 1:47 of full segment)

TUCKER CARLSON: So I'm reading the Washington Post today, which is the Jeff Bezos publication. And right on the front page, there's a piece about Russia. And the subhead says here, "Hacking Democracy," as if it is a known and universally accepted fact that our democracy was, quote, "hacked."

Do we know that?

STEPHEN COHEN: We do not. It's been alleged. Originally it was said that 17 intelligence agencies made that finding. Turned out it was a few people in a couple intelligence agencies.

If you read on in the Washington Post story in the first paragraph, they go back to this claim that it's the consensus of intelligence agencies. So it's simply not true.

I have to say that in addition to being a professor, for a long time I was also a paid consultant of a major American television network. I admire mainstream media. I learned a lot. But I have never seen media malpractice like this before in my life.

What that constitutes is essentially making allegations for which there is no verified facts, information, or evidence, and then basing your commentary on it.

So briefly put, it said that somehow Trump has been compromised by Putin, the leader of Russia. Then, when Trump does diplomacy with Putin, the New York Times literally calls it "treason." I haven't seen anything like this before.

The next video below contains two snips. In the first, Cohen reacts to the press's heavy reliance on leaks in the absence of substance, and notes the heavy irony in the left completely switching sides on the intelligence agencies' presumptive credibility. In the second, Carlson directly asks Cohen if he seen any evidence of Russian attempts to influence the 2016 election:

Transcript:

(Snip 2, from 2:12 to 2:35 of full segment)

COHEN: ... A leaker, by definition, has a political agenda. We'd agree on that, right?

CARLSON: Yes, of course.

COHEN: You may not be old enough to remember, but I remember when the media, and particularly the liberal media, was deeply suspicious of intelligence agency sources.

CARLSON: Yes.

COHEN: And now we have a situation where they seem to be the Holy Writ. If they whisper it to you on the telephone, it's true, and you print it.

(Snip 3, from 3:20 to 3:48)

CARLSON: ... Do we have and have you seen any evidence at all that the Russian government materially affected the outcome of the 2016 election?

COHEN: I have heard you say repeatedly there is no evidence. I've looked harder than you have. I've looked here in America, but I also have looked in Moscow. I mean, when I am there, as people I know, and yes, I confess, I do know people who are or have been Russian intelligence agents. I haven't found anybody in Moscow who believes this story.

Cohen has been consistently critical of media conduct and the Russian narrative for months. Headlines at a few of his recent columns at The Nation include the following:

December 12 — "Media Malpractice Is Criminalizing Better Relations With Russia"
November 27 — "Russia Is Not the ‘No. 1 Threat’—or Even Among the Top 5"
November 15 — "'Russiagate' Zealots (Mainly Democrats) Have Become a Major Threat to US National Security"

How utterly fascinating it is that a longtime leftist fellow traveler at one of its furthest-left publications completely disputes the Washington Post's "Hacking Democracy" assumption, and insists, in the face of Politifact's contention that there is "a mountain of evidence" supporting Russia's alleged attempts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election, that there is none.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/12/16/contributing-editor-nation-russia-2016-election-ive-never-seen-media
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: LittleJ on December 18, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Donnie lawyers are melting so badly. I love it :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on December 18, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
Donnie lawyers are melting so badly. I love it :)
LilJ's been melting daily since Trumps been elected. I love it :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2017, 01:07:31 PM
Donnie lawyers are melting so badly. I love it :)

Yours are still working on appealing your conviction right ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 22, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
Democrats 'manufacturing a crisis' over prospect of Mueller firing, sources say
John Roberts By John Roberts   | Fox News

Democrats are “manufacturing a crisis” with their drumbeat of warnings about the possible firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, sources familiar with the relationship between Mueller’s office and President Trump’s legal team say.

The sources insisted to Fox News that Mueller is not going to be fired, and the discussion is nothing more than speculation and rumor. Further, they said the legal team has an “excellent” and “very professional” relationship with Mueller and his team.

“The fact is [Democrats] have been caught red handed manufacturing a crisis and all the phony allegations,” one source said.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., holds a news conference to talk about the Democratic victory in the Alabama special election and to discuss the Republican tax bill, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is among Democrats warning about a Mueller firing -- despite Trump denials.  (AP)

Over the past couple weeks, Democratic lawmakers and liberal activists have ramped up warnings about a potential Mueller firing and called for protests to defend the “Republic” if Trump takes that step.

KURTZ: TRUMP SAYS HE WON'T FIRE MUELLER, BUT MEDIA WON'T LISTEN

GOP frustration over Mueller’s probe has indeed intensified in recent weeks amid allegations of bias on his investigative team. Complaints have focused lately on the disclosure of anti-Trump text messages between two former Mueller investigators. Trump’s team also alleged last weekend that Mueller and his investigators improperly accessed emails from the transition team before the start of the administration. 

But Trump recently denied any plans to fire Mueller, as did legal counsel Ty Cobb.

The only sign of a looming firing any lawmaker cited was an unconfirmed rumor. Democratic California Rep. Jackie Speier claimed a week ago that “the rumor on the Hill” was Trump would fire Mueller at the end of this week, after lawmakers leave D.C. for the recess – which has not happened as of Friday afternoon.

“It would be a Saturday massacre – worse than that,” Speier said on KQED Newsroom last week. “Without a doubt there will be an impeachment effort.”

Despite denials from the Trump team, more and more Democratic lawmakers amplified their warnings in the run-up to the recess.

“If the president were to fire special counsel Mueller, our country would face a constitutional crisis,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Thursday. 

Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., delivered a letter advising the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee to be prepared to call the panel back to Washington – and consider impeachment – if Trump ousts Mueller.

“Every Democrat on the Judiciary Committee should be ready to launch an immediate investigation into obstruction of justice if the President takes this action over the holidays and be prepared to fight to impeach him,” he wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/22/democrats-manufacturing-crisis-over-prospect-mueller-firing-sources-say.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on December 22, 2017, 02:43:17 PM
Yours are still working on appealing your conviction right ?
lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2017, 08:40:56 PM
Embattled FBI admits it can’t verify dossier claims of Russia, Trump campaign collusion
By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Monday, December 25, 2017

The FBI is declining to repudiate the Russia dossier on which it partially relied to start an investigation into the Trump campaign, but it concedes the document’s major core charges of election collusion remain unsubstantiated.

Sources familiar with House and Senate investigations say this is the FBI’s dossier talking point 17 months after agents were first briefed in July 2016 as Donald Trump battled Hillary Clinton for the White House.

The most recent FBI witness was Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who spent nearly eight hours last week in a closed session before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Republicans believe they have unearthed a scandal inside the bureau’s top echelons over its determination to target Trump associates based on flimsy evidence and improper Justice Department contacts.

Republican committee members pressed Mr. McCabe about a dossier that was financed by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign based on gossip-tinged information from paid, unidentified Kremlin operatives.

Mr. McCabe declined to criticize the dossier’s 35 pages of salacious and criminal charges against Donald Trump and his aides, but he said it remains largely unverified, according to a source familiar with ongoing congressional inquiries.

Sources speculated to The Washington Times that it would be embarrassing for Mr. McCabe to condemn a political opposition research paper on which his agents based decisions to open a counterintelligence investigation and interview witnesses. Some press reports said the FBI cited the dossier’s information in requests for court-approved wiretaps.

The Washington Post reported Saturday that Mr. McCabe plans to retire early next year.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz is investigating whether Mr. McCabe should have recused himself from the Clinton email investigation in 2015 and 2016. Mr. McCabe’s wife, an unsuccessful 2015 Democratic candidate for Virginia state Senate, received more than $700,000 in campaign donations from two PACs, one of which was controlled by Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a close Clinton ally.

Mr. Horowitz announced the investigation shortly before Mr. Trump took office. Since then, his probe has widened into whether the FBI investigation into suspected Trump-Russia collusion is rigged.

It centers on the FBI’s Peter Strzok, the lead agent in the Trump case until special counsel Robert Mueller fired him in July. The reason: He sent a number of text messages ridiculing Mr. Trump to Lisa Page, his FBI lover. He texted about a meeting with “Andy” — apparently Mr. McCabe — in which it was discussed that Mr. Trump had no chance of winning, but there was a risk he might.

“I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” Mr. Strzok said in August 2016. “It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

The dossier’s author, former British spy Christopher Steele, bragged to Mother Jones magazine in October 2016 that he successfully urged the FBI to begin investigating the Trump team based on his memos. Republicans have ridiculed the bureau for trusting a paid agent of the Clinton campaign.

Fox News and the Washington Examiner reported that Republicans asked what parts of the dossier the FBI had confirmed. Mr. McCabe said the only substantiated collusion-related incident was that Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page traveled to Moscow in July 2016.

The answer surprised Republicans: Mr. Page’s trip to deliver a speech at a university was widely publicized at the time.

An FBI spokesman declined to comment on Mr. McCabe’s testimony because it was given during a closed hearing.

What is unfolding for the House intelligence committee is an investigation that has broadened from supposed collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Driven by Chairman Devin Nunes, California Republican, the committee is examining the following:

• Who funded the dossier and how its information was spread by paymaster Fusion GPS and then used by the FBI.

• The Obama administration’s “unmasking” of the identities of private citizens caught up in surveillance of foreigners.

• Recent misconduct inside the Department of Justice and the FBI.

For months, Mr. Nunes repeatedly pressed the Justice Department to explain why Mr. Mueller fired his top FBI agent, Mr. Strzok. Eventually, Justice turned over text messages showing Mr. Strzok’s deep biases toward the man he was investigating, Mr. Trump.

The committee also unearthed the fact that senior Justice attorney Bruce Ohr made contact with Mr. Steele during the presidential campaign and that Mr. Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS at the time it was investigating the Trump campaign’s Russia ties. The Justice Department stripped Mr. Ohr of one of his two portfolios.

Most recently, The Washington Post reported that James Baker, the FBI’s general counsel and a close associate of fired FBI Director James B. Comey, was being transferred. Politico reported that Mr. Baker during the election had contact with the Mother Jones reporter who interviewed Mr. Steele via Skype and gave much credence to his dossier.

“This is really problematic for the FBI and DOJ right now,” said the source familiar with the congressional investigations. “They realize stonewalling is not going to work anymore, but they haven’t decided on a new strategy to manage the deluge of information spilling out about top officials’ conflicts of interest, their use of the Steele dossier and their own connections to Fusion GPS.”

Mr. Comey took to his Twitter account Friday night to lament Mr. Baker’s fate.

“Sadly, we are now at a point in our political life when anyone can be attacked for partisan gain,” Mr. Comey tweeted. “James Baker, who is stepping down as FBI General Counsel, served our country incredibly well for 25 years & deserves better. He is what we should all want our public servants to be.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/25/fbi-says-russia-dossiers-collusion-charges-unsubst/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2017, 07:58:12 AM
Re-Assigned FBI Lawyer James Baker Has Hard Drives Showing Trump Was Spied On
Big League Politics ^ | December 23, 2017 | Patrick Howley
Posted on 12/24/2017, 10:08:28 AM by Golden Eagle

Baker possesses 47 hard disks containing data on a massive surveillance operation overseen by John Brennan and James Clapper which allegedly spied on Trump Tower and now-President Donald Trump, according to a whistleblower.

“I provided to the FBI seventeen businesses of Donald Trump, including the Trump Tower, the Trump leasing programs, all of these different programs, and including Trump himself and the various family members that had been wiretapped under these programs,” (Dennis) Montgomery said in the interview. “There has been a wiretap on Trump for years.”

Montgomery provided the proof of the surveillance program to Judge Royce Lamberth in Washington, D.C. in a videotaped deposition. Montgomery named names–specifically John Brennan and James Clapper at that interview in December of 2015. Montgomery turned over 600 million pages of documentation.

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Las Vegas on December 27, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
600 million pages?  Damn, Sam.  Shouldn't take more than a few decades to work through.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 09, 2018, 08:22:36 AM
Republicans probe FBI agents' text messages for evidence of leaks
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Republican-led committees reportedly are investigating whether FBI officials once involved in Robert Mueller’s Russia probe helped leak to the media, based in part on text messages they exchanged mentioning news outlets.

The Hill reported that House and Senate panels are looking anew at the text messages exchanged between agent Peter Strzok and lawyer Lisa Page, who were romantically involved and exchanged anti-Trump views in their now-public texts.

They also discussed news articles and strategized on how to react. One set of texts in late October 2016 suggests they knew about a Wall Street Journal article in advance. After Page alerted Strzok to the piece’s publication, Strzok responded:

“Boy that was fast. Should I ‘find’ it and tell the team?”

Other text messages reviewed by The Hill showed the two agents seemingly attempting to track down New York Times reporter Matt Apuzzo, who has covered the Russia collusion investigation.

“We got a list of kids with their parents’ names. How many Matt Apuzzo’s (sic) could there be in DC,” Page texted. “Showed J a picture, he said he thinks he has seen a guy who kinda looks like that, but always really schlubby. I said that sounds like every reporter I have ever seen.”

Strzok texted back, “He’s TOTALLY schlubby. Don’t you remember?”

FILE - In this Oct. 28, 2013, file photo, former FBI Director Robert Mueller is seated before President Barack Obama and FBI Director James Comey arrive at an installation ceremony at FBI Headquarters in Washington. A veteran FBI counterintelligence agent was removed from special counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating Russian election meddling after the discovery of an exchange of text messages seen as potentially anti-President Donald Trump, a person familiar with the matter said Saturday, Dec. 2, 2017. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak, File)
Agents caught exchanging anti-Trump texts previously worked on Robert Mueller's Russia probe.  (AP)

In another exchange, Strzok warns Page against using her work phone to hunt for information on the reporter.

“I wouldn’t search on your work phone, no idea what that might trigger,” he texted.

“Oops. Too late,” she responded.

Asked about the report, House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., told Fox News’ “The Story with Martha MacCallum” he’s not surprised someone at the bureau may have been leaking.

HOUSE PANEL GETS ACCESS TO TRUMP DOSSIER DOCS

He said his committee has broad concerns that bureau officials who weren’t authorized were speaking to the media.

Strzok was an FBI counterintelligence agent but was removed from Mueller’s probe and reassigned to the FBI’s human resources division after the discovery of the exchanges with Page, with whom he was having an affair. Page was briefly on Mueller’s team as well, but has since returned to the FBI.

Many of the text messages were critical of Trump, referring to the then-candidate as a "loathsome human" and "an idiot" – their discovery fueled GOP concerns of bias at the bureau and inside the special counsel’s team.

Members of Congress are reviewing the texts and looking to speak with the FBI officials.

The House Intelligence Committee is in the process of scheduling eight witnesses including Strzok and Page. Committee investigators also got access to the remaining documents they had long sought as part of their Russia inquiry during a classified session at the Justice Department on Friday, a source close to the matter told Fox News.

The documents were described as core records concerning the controversial anti-Trump dossier and its handling by the FBI – including witness interview summaries for confidential sources or informants. While the dossier was commissioned by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, author and former British spy Christopher Steele also was a source for the FBI – first relaying some information in July 2016, the same month the Clinton email case closed for the first time and the Russia counter-intelligence case opened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/09/republicans-probe-fbi-agents-text-messages-for-evidence-leaks.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2018, 09:57:11 PM
Trump Says It 'Seems Unlikely' He'll Give Mueller Interview
Wednesday, 10 Jan 2018

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that it "seems unlikely" that he'd give an interview in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Trump said "we'll see what happens" when asked if he'd provide an interview to Mueller's team.

"When they have no collusion and nobody's found any collusion at any level, it seems unlikely that you'd even have an interview," Trump said during a joint news conference with the prime minister of Norway.

The special counsel's team of investigators has expressed interest in speaking with Trump, but no details have been worked out. Trump's lawyers have previously stated their determination to cooperate with requests in the probe, which has already resulted in charges against four of Trump's campaign advisers.

Trump called the investigation a "phony cloud" over his administration.

"It has hurt our government," he said. "It was a Democrat hoax."

Trump's words differed from what he said at a news conference in June, shortly after fired FBI Director James Comey had told Congress that Trump asked him for a pledge of loyalty. Trump denied that, and said he'd be "100 percent" willing tell his version of events under oath. He said he'd be "glad to" speak to Mueller about it.

The comments come after Trump had already lashed out at the investigations on Twitter Wednesday morning, urging Republicans to take control of the inquiries and repeating his claim that they are on a "witch hunt."

"There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes," he tweeted. "Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!"

In a separate tweet Wednesday morning, Trump accused Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of being "underhanded and a disgrace" for disclosing details of a dossier of allegations about his ties to Russia during the presidential campaign.

A day earlier, Feinstein, who faces a primary challenge in her re-election this year, released the transcript of the Senate Judiciary Committee's closed-door August interview with an official from the political opposition research firm Fusion GPS, which commissioned the dossier. She released the transcript of Glenn Simpson's interview over the objections of the committee's Republican chairman, Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley. She is the top Democrat on the panel.

"The fact that Sneaky Dianne Feinstein, who has on numerous occasions stated that collusion between Trump/Russia has not been found, would release testimony in such an underhanded and possibly illegal way, totally without authorization, is a disgrace," Trump tweeted. "Must have tough Primary!"

The material wasn't classified, and Feinstein said Wednesday that she didn't do anything illegal. And as the top Democrat on the committee, she didn't need authorization from Grassley to release it. Her staff helped conduct the interview with Simpson, who had also asked for the interview to be released.

Still, the release was a blow the two lawmakers' earlier attempts at bipartisanship on the committee's Russia investigation. Feinstein told reporters that she didn't tell Grassley beforehand, and "I owe him an apology and I will give him an apology as soon as I see him."

Grassley said in an angry news release on Tuesday that he was "confounded" by the release and argued that it could undermine attempts to get additional witnesses. By Wednesday he appeared to have softened, saying he was continuing to negotiate witnesses with Feinstein in the Russia probe.

"Listen, I screw up regularly and she doesn't owe me an apology," Grassley said.

Trump has derided the dossier as a politically motivated hit job. Following his lead, several GOP-led committees are now investigating whether the dossier formed the basis for the FBI's initial investigations. That has angered Democrats, who say those probes are distractions from the Russia investigations.

Feinstein said that she was trying to set the record straight after speculation about Simpson's interview.

"The innuendo and misinformation circulating about the transcript are part of a deeply troubling effort to undermine the investigation into potential collusion and obstruction of justice," she said. "The only way to set the record straight is to make the transcript public."

Feinstein also sits on the Senate intelligence committee, which is conducting its own investigation into the Russian interference and whether Trump's campaign was in any way involved.

Trump has often invoked Feinstein on the collusion issue. She said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Oct. 8 that there's "no proof" yet that there was any collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign, adding: "I think that proof will likely come with Mr. Mueller's investigation."

Feinstein faces a primary from California state Senate leader Kevin de Leon. Asked about Trump's tweet, she brushed off the idea that the release had anything to do with her election.

"Oh come on," she said. "Of course not."

Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee, also criticized Trump's tweet, saying it "smacks of interference in investigations and I think that's inappropriate."

Also Wednesday, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller, and FBI Director Christopher Wray were on Capitol Hill to speak to Warner and the Republican chairman of the Senate intelligence panel, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr. Neither senator would comment on the meeting's purpose.

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/trump-mueller-russia-probe/2018/01/10/id/836398/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2018, 09:07:32 AM
So Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid $10 million for opposition research that obtained information at least in part from Russia, the FBI then uses that opposition research to get a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign, which also leads to the ongoing investigation into one of the dumbest conspiracy theories in American history.  Scandalous.  Heads should roll over this, if true.

Was the DNC/Clinton campaign-funded dossier used to obtain Trump FISA warrant?
Sara Carter   January 10, 2018

The unverified dossier alleging connections between President Trump’s campaign and the Russians was used as evidence by the FBI to gain approval from a secret court to monitor members of Trump’s team, this reporter has learned.

A large portion of the evidence presented in the salacious 35-page dossier put together by former British spy Christopher Steele, has either been proven wrong or remains unsubstantiated. However, the FBI gained approval nevertheless to surveil members of Trump’s campaign and “it’s outrageous and clearly should be thoroughly investigated,” said a senior law enforcement source, with knowledge of the process.

Multiple sources told this reporter that the dossier was used along with other evidence to obtain the warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as FISC. The sources also stressed that there will be more information in the coming week regarding systemic “FISA abuse.”

“(The dossier) certainly played a role in obtaining the warrant,” added another senior U.S. official, with knowledge of the dossier. “Congress needs to look at the FBI officials who were handling this case and see what, if anything, was verified in the dossier. I think an important question is whether the FBI payed anything to the source for the dossier.”


On Wednesday, Sean Hannity said he has also independently confirmed that the dossier was used to obtain the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrant from three separate sources.

One very senior source said the dossier played “a significant role” in obtaining the warrant Hannity said on his radio show Wednesday.

FBI officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

On Friday, members of the House Intelligence Committee went to the Justice Department to review the FBI and DOJ documents requested last August by Chairman Devin Nunes, congressional sources said. The information is essential to the committee’s investigation of Steele, the dossier and Fusion GPS.

In October, the Washington Post revealed that Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign paid the now embattled research firm Fusion GPS to fund the research into the dossier. Marc E. Elias, who was a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC allegedly retained Fusion GPS, but the campaign failed to disclose those payments on its finance records.

In April, CNN reported that the dossier was used to monitor communications of Carter Page, who volunteered as a national security advisor with the Trump campaign for a short period of time. But in December, a New York Times story seemed to suggest that the inquiry into the Trump campaign and its alleged ties to Russia began with George Papadopoulos, who worked as a foreign policy advisor to Trump campaign.

Sources told the New York Times that it was Papadopoulos’ conversation with a Australian diplomat at London bar in May 2016 that caught the attention of the FBI.

“Now that the dirt has spilled on the dossier, it looks like some officials are trying to deflect by saying the inquiry began with Papadopoulos,” said the senior law enforcement official.

https://saraacarter.com/2018/01/10/was-the-dnc-clinton-campaign-funded-dossier-used-to-obtain-trump-fisa-warrant/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 14, 2018, 07:11:58 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 19, 2018, 08:46:23 PM
A Bombshell House Intelligence report exposing extensive FISA abuse could lead to the removal of senior government officials
Sara Carter   January 18, 2018

A review of a classified document outlining what is described as extensive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuse was made available to all House members Thursday and the revelations could lead to the removal of senior officials in the FBI and Department of Justice, several sources with knowledge of the document stated. These sources say the report is “explosive,” stating they would not be surprised if it leads to the end of Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel investigation into President Trump and his associates.

The House Intelligence Committee passed the motion along party lines Thursday to make the classified report alleging extensive ‘FISA Abuse’ related to the controversial dossier available to all House members. The report contains information regarding the dossier that alleges President Trump and members of his team colluded with the Russians in the 2016 presidential election. Some members of the House viewed the document in a secure room Thursday.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., offered the motion on Thursday to make the Republican majority-authored report available to the members.

“The document shows a troubling course of conduct and we need to make the document available, so the public can see it,” said a senior government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the document. “Once the public sees it, we can hold the people involved accountable in a number of ways.”
The government official said that after reading the document “some of these people should no longer be in the government.”

The document also apparently outlines “several problematic” issues with how FISA warrants were “packaged, and used” state several sources with knowledge of the report.

Over the past year, whistleblowers in the law enforcement and intelligence community have revealed to Congress what they believe to be extensive abuse with regard to FISA surveillance, as previously reported.

The dossier was used in part as evidence for a warrant to surveil members of the Trump campaign, according to a story published this month. Former British spy Christopher Steele, who compiled the dossier in 2016, was hired by embattled research firm Fusion GPS. The firm’s founder is Glenn Simpson, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who has already testified before Congress in relation to the dossier. In October, The Washington Post revealed for the first time that it was the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC that financed Fusion GPS.

Congressional members are hopeful that the classified information will be declassified and released to the public.

“We probably will get this stuff released by the end of the month,” stated a congressional member, who asked not to be named.

But the government official, who viewed the document said “it will be tough for a lot of people to see this and especially the media, which has been attempting to deemphasize the dossier. It’s going to punch a hole in their collusion narrative.”

The House vote to make the report available to all members is a major step in exposing the long-guarded classified documents obtained by the House Intelligence Committee over the past year. It allows members of the House to view the report and could quickly lead to a motion to declassify the report for the public, numerous House members told this reporter.

“It’s a (House Intelligence) committee document that deals with the assessment on the Department of Justice, FBI and the oversight work that is being conducted by the committee,” said a congressional source, which spoke on condition that they not be named.

https://saraacarter.com/2018/01/18/a-bombshell-house-intelligence-report-exposing-extensive-fisa-abuse-could-lead-to-the-removal-of-senior-government-officials/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 21, 2018, 11:46:49 AM
BREAKING: FBI ‘failed to preserve’ five months of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. From Dec. 14, 2016 to May 17, 2017, the day that Mueller was picked as special counsel.

- The disclosure was made Friday in a letter sent by the Justice Department to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC).
>“The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page,” Stephen Boyd, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the Justice Department, wrote to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI Agents Discussed ‘Insurance Policy’ Against Trump Win)

>>He said that texts are missing for the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.
>>>Boyd attributed the failure to “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities.”
>>>>“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

- Strzok and Page were significant players in the Clinton and Trump investigations. As deputy chief of counterintelligence, Strzok oversaw the Trump investigation when it was opened in July 2016. Weeks earlier, he had wrapped up his work as one of the top investigators on the Clinton email probe.
- Both worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation until July 2017.
- But Strzok was removed after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered text messages he exchanged with Page, with whom he was having an affair, in which both expressed strong criticism of Trump.
- Page left the Mueller team prior to the discovery of the texts.

Along with its disclosure of the missing text messages, DOJ’s Boyd handed over 384 additional text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on January 21, 2018, 01:53:02 PM
BREAKING: FBI ‘failed to preserve’ five months of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. From Dec. 14, 2016 to May 17, 2017, the day that Mueller was picked as special counsel.

- The disclosure was made Friday in a letter sent by the Justice Department to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC).
>“The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page,” Stephen Boyd, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the Justice Department, wrote to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI Agents Discussed ‘Insurance Policy’ Against Trump Win)

>>He said that texts are missing for the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.
>>>Boyd attributed the failure to “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities.”
>>>>“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

- Strzok and Page were significant players in the Clinton and Trump investigations. As deputy chief of counterintelligence, Strzok oversaw the Trump investigation when it was opened in July 2016. Weeks earlier, he had wrapped up his work as one of the top investigators on the Clinton email probe.
- Both worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation until July 2017.
- But Strzok was removed after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered text messages he exchanged with Page, with whom he was having an affair, in which both expressed strong criticism of Trump.
- Page left the Mueller team prior to the discovery of the texts.

Along with its disclosure of the missing text messages, DOJ’s Boyd handed over 384 additional text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/)
Not surprising.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on January 21, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
BREAKING: FBI ‘failed to preserve’ five months of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. From Dec. 14, 2016 to May 17, 2017, the day that Mueller was picked as special counsel.

- The disclosure was made Friday in a letter sent by the Justice Department to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC).
>“The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page,” Stephen Boyd, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the Justice Department, wrote to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI Agents Discussed ‘Insurance Policy’ Against Trump Win)

>>He said that texts are missing for the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.
>>>Boyd attributed the failure to “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities.”
>>>>“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

- Strzok and Page were significant players in the Clinton and Trump investigations. As deputy chief of counterintelligence, Strzok oversaw the Trump investigation when it was opened in July 2016. Weeks earlier, he had wrapped up his work as one of the top investigators on the Clinton email probe.
- Both worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation until July 2017.
- But Strzok was removed after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered text messages he exchanged with Page, with whom he was having an affair, in which both expressed strong criticism of Trump.
- Page left the Mueller team prior to the discovery of the texts.

Along with its disclosure of the missing text messages, DOJ’s Boyd handed over 384 additional text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/)

So many “coincidences”, will there be a full investigation or will they be deemed “extremely careless”?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
BREAKING: FBI ‘failed to preserve’ five months of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. From Dec. 14, 2016 to May 17, 2017, the day that Mueller was picked as special counsel.

- The disclosure was made Friday in a letter sent by the Justice Department to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC).
>“The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page,” Stephen Boyd, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the Justice Department, wrote to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI Agents Discussed ‘Insurance Policy’ Against Trump Win)

>>He said that texts are missing for the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.
>>>Boyd attributed the failure to “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities.”
>>>>“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

- Strzok and Page were significant players in the Clinton and Trump investigations. As deputy chief of counterintelligence, Strzok oversaw the Trump investigation when it was opened in July 2016. Weeks earlier, he had wrapped up his work as one of the top investigators on the Clinton email probe.
- Both worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation until July 2017.
- But Strzok was removed after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered text messages he exchanged with Page, with whom he was having an affair, in which both expressed strong criticism of Trump.
- Page left the Mueller team prior to the discovery of the texts.

Along with its disclosure of the missing text messages, DOJ’s Boyd handed over 384 additional text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/)


Uuummmmm.  Ok.    Whatever.   What FNG lies and bs.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 22, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
 :o :o :o

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 23, 2018, 04:40:11 PM
:o :o :o



@SenRonJohnson on alleged 'secret society' mentioned in @FBI agents' texts: "That 'secret society' - we have an informant that's talking about a group, they were holding secret meetings offsite." #SpecialReport
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 25, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
BREAKING: FBI ‘failed to preserve’ five months of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. From Dec. 14, 2016 to May 17, 2017, the day that Mueller was picked as special counsel.

- The disclosure was made Friday in a letter sent by the Justice Department to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC).
>“The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page,” Stephen Boyd, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the Justice Department, wrote to Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of HSGAC. (RELATED: FBI Agents Discussed ‘Insurance Policy’ Against Trump Win)

>>He said that texts are missing for the period between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.
>>>Boyd attributed the failure to “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities.”
>>>>“The result was that data that should have been automatically collected and retained for long-term storage and retrieval was not collected,” Boyd wrote.

- Strzok and Page were significant players in the Clinton and Trump investigations. As deputy chief of counterintelligence, Strzok oversaw the Trump investigation when it was opened in July 2016. Weeks earlier, he had wrapped up his work as one of the top investigators on the Clinton email probe.
- Both worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation until July 2017.
- But Strzok was removed after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered text messages he exchanged with Page, with whom he was having an affair, in which both expressed strong criticism of Trump.
- Page left the Mueller team prior to the discovery of the texts.

Along with its disclosure of the missing text messages, DOJ’s Boyd handed over 384 additional text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on January 25, 2018, 08:01:30 PM
Shit is getting interesting.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 26, 2018, 05:12:31 AM
Shit is getting interesting.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 30, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
Adam Schiff’s Versions Of Events Are Frequently False Or Missing Key Details
Adam Schiff is portrayed by many in the media as a straight shooter. His record in reality is of fanning the flames of every single Trump-Russia collusion allegation out there.
By Mollie Hemingway
JANUARY 30, 2018

Yesterday the House Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence voted to release a four-page summary document alleging surveillance abuses by the Justice Department and FBI. The committee’s memo has been available to all 435 House members for more than a week. Some of those who read it described it as “troubling,” “shocking,” “jaw-dropping,” “sickening,” and “criminal.”

FBI Director Christopher Wray reviewed the memo on Sunday. As soon as the committee had finished voting, ranking member Rep. Adam Schiff ran to the cameras to spin the news. From that point, he began explaining things in a non-truthful manner. This inability or unwillingness to accurately convey information is not a surprise so much as a regular feature of his work with journalists, but it’s worth noting how that played out in just one few-hour span.

1: Omitting Facts About Committee Business
For background, Schiff has spent the last week and a half upset that the majority’s memo alleging abuses was available for House review. He and his fellow Democrats had voted against making such a memo available to the House, much less the public. He said it was reckless to discuss anything in the memo and that it compromised national security. A compliant media lapped it up. He announced, though, that he had created a counter-memo in support of the Trump-Russia collusion theory we keep hearing about.

Today, as the committee gathered to vote on releasing their memo to the public, following its lengthy House review, Schiff asked the Intelligence Committee to release his memo. His memo is on the same subject matter, risking the same national security threat he had wailed about for a week, with the same supposed risk to sources and methods. Only he is okay with his memo having these supposed problems.

Unlike what happened when Republicans on the committee asked Democrats for that vote, Republicans joined with Democrats to unanimously support his memo’s release to the House — the same process used for the majority memo. Here’s his claim: “The ‘release the memo crowd’ apparently doesn’t want to release the memo now. The most they would do is say that at some indeterminate point, a week or so from now, they would consider whether to release the minority memo.”

In other words, following the exact same process used for the majority’s memo.

2: False Statements About the Committee
Schiff then went on to say, “I should also mention that it was disclosed to the minority today for the first time that the majority has evidently opened an investigation of the FBI, and an investigation of the Department of Justice. Under our committee rules, of course, that has to be the product of consultation with minority, but we learned about that for the first time here today.”

One trademark of Schiff’s leaks to the media is that they’re frequently process complaints. In December, a media outlet ran with Schiff’s process complaint alleging that House Republicans were “quietly” investigating perceived corruption at DOJ and the FBI without notifying minority members.

Now, it’s an implausible claim given that Republicans all the way up to and including Speaker of the House Paul Ryan had been screaming bloody murder about FBI and DOJ obstruction of committee requests. Perhaps the subpoenas to these entities from the committee were a clue that they were looking into them. Just because Schiff voted against finding out information from these agencies doesn’t mean the committee agreed with him. It certainly doesn’t mean he was kept in the dark.

Besides, Rep. Devin Nunes actually went on live national TV to talk about his committee’s investigation into these matters.

3: False Information about Nunes

Finally, Schiff referenced a committee hearing and added: “The very next day, our chairman went on what is known as the ‘midnight run,’ to obtain documents that he would, the following day go to present to the White House, claiming that they showed evidence of an unmasking conspiracy of the Obama administration.”

Well, it’s “known” as the “midnight run” because Schiff mischaracterized it as Nunes sneaking into the White House in the “dead of night” to avoid detection. Reporter Tim Mak, then with Daily Beast, wrote a story sourced to anonymous sources, if you can imagine, that turned out to be not true. It told a dramatic tale of jumping out of cars in the middle of the night.

Yet it was not a “midnight run” but a visit to a national security staffer in the middle of the day, while the sun was out. Nunes corrected the false reporting on the record — on air with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, in fact — on March 27, 2017. It’s around at the 4:00 minute mark of an interview full of process questions.

Schiff is such a partisan speaker and actor that it’s odd to see him speaking with any authority about a serious investigation into abuses at the agencies he purports to oversee. For instance, he said:

We would very soon learn that in fact he’d obtained that information from the White House, and it was a charade. That charade was designed to do the White House’s bidding. And I’m afraid today is just the continuation of that same priority of the chairman and that same phenomenon. This is an effort to circle the wagons around the White House and distract from the Russia probe.
As Jonah Goldberg snarked:

(http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-29-at-11.41.13-PM.png)

Yet, or maybe because of this, Schiff is clearly one of CNN’s best sources for their Russia-Trump collusion theory, no matter how much they get burned.

Schiff is portrayed by many in the media as being a straight shooter. His record in reality is of fanning the flames of absolutely every single Trump-Russia collusion allegation out there. Just this past week he pushed the false claim that Americans’ desire to see the House Intel Committee’s memo was in reality a Russian bot operation. Despite being a ranking member of an oversight committee, he lacks curiosity and interest into potential abuses at the FBI.

Nothing seems to have merited his attention in the slightest. He has not sought to follow-up on explosive texts about a Russia probe being an “insurance policy” because agents couldn’t take “the risk” of a Trump presidency. He is not interested in reports of the wife of top Justice official Bruce Ohr literally being employed by Fusion GPS, or by his change in employment as a result of this revelation. He had no problem with Fusion GPS being funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. He’s opposed subpoenas to Fusion, to the Department of Justice, to the FBI.

The memo won’t be released until this weekend at the earliest, due to House rules giving the president five days to object to its release.

Mollie Ziegler Hemingway is a senior editor at The Federalist. Follow her on Twitter at @mzhemingway

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/30/adam-schiffs-versions-of-events-are-frequently-false-or-missing-key-details/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 06, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Bwahahaha!!!   ;D  This idiot really deserves his own thread.  lol

EXCLUSIVE: Adam Schiff sent his staff to try and collect 'classified materials for the FBI' after Russian pranksters told him Putin has NAKED blackmail pictures of Trump
Adam Schiff, the ranking Democratic member of the House Intel Committee was recorded speaking to Russian pranksters who spun elaborate 'kompromat' tale
He told Vocan and Lexus, two radio pranksters who have also hit Nikki Haley, that he would pass their claims to the FBI in a call made last year
The duo posed as a fake Ukrainian politician to say Trump had sex with Russian glamour model Olga Buzova after a Miss Universe pageant in 2013
In the call they said Putin had been passed naked pictures of Trump and now-president had used secret codes for talks with Russians
Duo gave emails to DailyMail.com which showed Schiff's staff trying to arrange to collect 'classified' documents from Ukraine's embassy in D.C.
Schiff's office claimed he was not fooled by the call and reported it to 'authorities' but did not explain why his staff kept up correspondence
Call posted in April 2017 surfaced as Schiff waits to see if Trump will declassify his Democratic version of the Devin Nunes memo which shamed the FBI
By Alana Goodman For Dailymail.com
PUBLISHED: 6 February 2018

The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee was the victim of a prank phone call by Russian comedians who offered to give him 'compromising' dirt on Donald Trump – including nude photos of the president and a Russian reality show star.

DailyMail.com can disclose that after the prank, his staff engaged in correspondence with what they thought was a Ukrainian politician to try to obtain the 'classified' material promised on the call.

On an audio recording of the prank call posted online, Adam Schiff can be heard discussing the committee's Russia investigation and increasingly bizarre allegations about Trump with a man who claimed to be Andriy Parubiy, the chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament.

The call, made a year ago, was actually from two Russian comedians nicknamed 'Vovan' and 'Lexus' who have become notorious for their phony calls to high-ranking American officials and celebrities, including UN Ambassador Nikki Haley and Elton John.

. . . .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5355713/Adam-Schiff-spoofed-Russian-claim-nude-Trump-pic.html#ixzz56NkUPNuQ
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 13, 2018, 05:52:59 PM
All roads lead to Clinton, Obama and Soros

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/12/was-clinton-attack-dog-sidney-blumenthal-involved-in-launch-russia-collusion-investigation.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 13, 2018, 09:12:39 PM
Excellent summary. 

Dossier’s 10 core collusion accusations remain unverified 20 months later
By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Monday, February 12, 2018

Christopher Steele’s unproven dossier is a mix of felony charges against President Trump and his people, as well as supposed gossip inside the Kremlin over computer hacking and personnel firings.

For the ongoing special counsel investigation into suspected Trump-Russia election coordination, it is helpful to separate what counts: Dust away the atmospherics — supposed Kremlin intrigue — and focus on the collusion charges brought by the former British spy based on his paid intermediaries and Moscow sources. None is identified.

Funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party, these specific dossier charges of secret spy missions and criminality are what came to permeate the FBI investigation. Republicans say the FBI abused the court process by using the partisan charges to obtain four wiretap warrants against the other campaign. They say the bureau has yet to confirm any charge.

As the dossier today takes on even more importance, The Washington Times identified Mr. Steele’s 10 core collusion accusations. The analysis includes the charges’ status, 20 months after Mr. Steele first contacted the FBI and urged the prosecution of President Trump.

• The Trump campaign launched an “extensive conspiracy” with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. To date, no public verification.

• Mr. Trump, for decades a developer of tall buildings, maintained an eight-year relationship of give-and-take with Russian intelligence. To date, no public verification.

• Mr. Trump and senior campaign aides actively supported the Russia hacking of Democratic Party computers to steal and release stolen emails. To date, no public verification.

• Volunteer Carter Page and campaign manager Paul Manafort personally conspired with Moscow to hack the Democrats’ computers. When the hacking began in 2015, neither man was associated with the Trump campaign. Both deny the charge. Mr. Page testified under oath that he had never met or spoken with Mr. Manafort. To date, no public verification of this dossier part.

• Mr. Page, an Annapolis graduate, an energy investor and a former resident of Moscow, traveled to that city in early July 2016 to deliver a public speech at a university. The dossier says he met with two top Kremlin operatives and discussed bribes for working to lift economic sanctions. Mr. Page testified under oath that he had never met nor spoke with them. He has filed libel lawsuits.

• Mr. Trump engaged with Russian prostitutes during a trip to Moscow in 2013. Mr. Trump has denied this numerous times. To date, no public verification.

• Mr. Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, secretly traveled to Prague in August 2016. His supposed mission: to orchestrate payments with agents of Vladimir Putin to cover up the hacking. At that point, the hacking was known worldwide. Mr. Cohen repeatedly has denied under oath that he took such a trip and showed his passport. He has filed libel lawsuits, including against Fusion GPS. Fusion co-founder Glenn Simpson, who ordered the dossier, has suggested that Mr. Cohen took a private Russian plane and might have been on a yacht in the Adriatic Sea. To date, there has been no public verification of any of this.

• Russian tech entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev, owner of XBT Holding, hacked the Democrat Party computers with spyware and pornography. He has denied this repeatedly. He sued Mr. Steele for libel in a London court, where the former spy said the information was raw call-in information and not verified.

• Three Russian oligarchs and shareholders in Alfa Bank were involved in Russian election interference and paid bribes to Mr. Putin. They deny the charges and have filed libel lawsuits.

• Mikhail Kalugin was chief of the economic section at the Russian Embassy in Washington. Mr. Steele accuses him of being a spy and of funding the hacking with skimmed-off pension funds. He was supposedly whisked out of Washington when the hacking scandal broke in August. Washington associates of Mr. Kalugin told The Washington Times that the diplomat announced his planned departure 10 months beforehand. He and his family returned to Moscow. He now works in the Foreign Ministry. A former senior U.S. government official told The Times that Mr. Kalugin was never internally identified as a spy.

Republicans and dossier targets uniformly deride the 35 pages as falsehoods and fabrications. Some Democrats have acknowledged that the collection of memos is flawed.

But there are steadfast dossier believers, such liberal Twitter brigades and Rep. Adam B. Schiff of California, the leading Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

The FBI used the unverified dossier on Oct. 21, 2016, to obtain a court wiretap warrant on Mr. Page that lasted nearly a year.

Agents included dossier information in the application and three subsequent renewals. The filing was based on the pledge from Mr. Steele that he was not the source of a dossier-type report on Mr. Page that Michael Isikoff reported in Yahoo News in September 2016. But in the London court case, Mr. Steele acknowledged that he was the source.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, released a declassified referral last week that urges the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation of Mr. Steele for lying to the FBI.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the committee’s ranking Democrat, issued a rebuttal on Friday.

“Not a single revelation in the Steele dossier has been refuted,” she said, referring to the former MI-6 officer as a “respected and reliable expert on Russia.”

She said the Grassley-Graham referral “provides no evidence that Steele was ever asked about the Isikoff article or if asked that he lied.”

But the Republican senator’s referral said there is ample evidence that Mr. Steele lied.

“There is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility,” the referral said.

The next paragraph, which presumedly details that evidence, is completely redacted.

The two senators wrote, “The FBI already believed Mr. Steele was reliable, he had previously told the FBI he had not shared the information with the press — and lying to the FBI is a crime.”

Four targets of the dossier have filed seven libel lawsuits against Mr. Steele, Fusion GPS and BuzzFeed, which first posted it online on Jan. 10, 2017, during Mr. Trump’s presidential transition.

Then FBI-Director James B. Comey told Mr. Trump in a one-on-one meeting that month that the dossier was “salacious and unverified.”

At the same time, the FBI was citing dossier information before a judge to obtain a second 90-day wiretap warrant on Mr. Page. There would be two more, the last in June 2017.

J.D. Gordon, a former Pentagon spokesman and Trump campaign adviser, has suffered over a year of government, press and congressional scrutiny. All the negative attention is because he had brief encounters with the Russian ambassador at the Republican National Convention.

“At least four dozen Trump associates have reportedly been summoned before the various congressional committees and special counsel over anything and everything related to Trump-Russia,” Mr. Gordon told The Washington Times. “Apart from targeting the president with a high-tech coup, the Democrats and ‘Never Trump‘ Republicans are trying to destroy a large group of innocent people who were merely trying to serve their country in presidential politics.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/12/trump-dossiers-10-core-collusion-accusations-unver/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
You don't say?  Shocking.

The indictment describes Trump campaign officials who communicated with the Russians as "unwitting" in the defendants' plans: "Some defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/here-are-some-of-the-most-important-quotes-from-muellers-indictment-of-russians.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:19:03 PM
“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel probe, said at a Friday press conference.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 16, 2018, 01:20:47 PM
“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel probe, said at a Friday press conference.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html

Lol!

 "Quit cherrypicking those words from the press conference!" - MSM, Straw, Prime, Agnostic
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel probe, said at a Friday press conference.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html

correct

not in THIS INDICTMENT

funny how Trump is already saying this exonerates him

What happened to his belief that Russia didn't interfere with our election

I'm sure at some point he'll make that claim again

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:23:21 PM
Lol!

 "Quit cherrypicking those words from the press conference!" - MSM, Straw, Prime, Agnostic

lol.  As they cling to that asinine conspiracy theory.  Going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth.   :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
lol.  As they cling to that asinine conspiracy theory.  Going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth.   :)

no doubt there is a bit of that happening in the White House right now

but why

I mean, if this indictment doesn't implicate anyone in the Trump orbit that must be definitive proof that they did nothing wrong

That's the Trumptard logic right

LOL

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:31:56 PM
Paragraph 43:  they communicated derogatory information about Hillary and supported Bernie and Trump. 

Wait.  Did Bernie conspire with Russia too???  [insert sinister music]
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:33:39 PM
Paragraph 46(b):  They made Instagram posts supporting Jill Stein. 

Jill Stein is part of this conspiracy too?  This is HUGE! 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
So if I'm tracking, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Jill Stein all conspired with Russia to help Trump win the presidential election so he could become a Russian puppet. 

Somebody contact director Ron Howard.  He is an outstanding movie director.  Maybe he could do something with this script? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 01:42:23 PM
So if I'm tracking, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Jill Stein all conspired with Russia to help Trump win the presidential election so he could become a Russian puppet.  

Somebody contact director Ron Howard.  He is an outstanding movie director.  Maybe he could do something with this script?  

Nothing in this indictment says they "conspired" with Russia

Let me guess, this is your attempt to imply that because this indictment didn't say Trump conspired with Russia that there can be no other indictment in the future that say that

Is that what you're implying...Trumptard?

Desperate much?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 16, 2018, 01:49:20 PM
Nothing in this indictment says they "conspired" with Russia

Let me guess, this is your attempt to imply that because this indictment didn't say Trump conspired with Russia that there can be no other indictment in the future that say that

Is that what you're implying...Trumptard?

Desperate much?

He's not as desperate as the media to crucify trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
He's not as desperate as the media to crucify trump

Don't mind the Village Idiot.  This is a very sad day for her.   :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 02:09:36 PM
He's not as desperate as the media to crucify trump

Poor little Donny
Everyone is so unfair to him
SAD
 :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 02:10:44 PM
Don't mind the Village Idiot.  This is a very sad day for her.   :'(
LOL
Why do you think I would be sad beach bunny?

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on February 16, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
In his short statement, Rosenstein also said that after the election the defendants staged a rally in support of Trump ("show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump") while simultaneously staging a rally opposing him ("Trump is NOT my President"), both in New York at the same day. Was the "not my President" crowd colluding with the Russians?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
In his short statement, Rosenstein also said that after the election the defendants staged a rally in support of Trump ("show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump") while simultaneously staging a rally opposing him ("Trump is NOT my President"), both in New York at the same day. Was the "not my President" crowd colluding with the Russians?

Bwahahahaha!!!!!  So Trump conspired with Russia (and Bernie and Stein) to both win and lose the presidential election?  This conspiracy theory is so complicated.    ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 02:38:00 PM
Oh noes, some Russians didn’t like Hillary Clinton and WROTE about it online.

The horror of it all!!!!!11
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
Oh noes, some Russians didn’t like Hillary Clinton and WROTE about it online.

The horror of it all!!!!!11

LOL

that's what you think these indictments are about

I had no idea you were that stupid

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 03:02:30 PM
I can just see the headline now...

“Internet Trolls wearing nothing but their underwear yanked out of their mothers basement!”

“Hot Pockets still warm in hand!!”  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
I can just see the headline now...

“Internet Trolls wearing nothing but their underwear yanked out of their mothers basement!”

“Hot Pockets still warm in hand!!”  :D

Are they still in the U.S.? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 03:17:06 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 03:24:09 PM
Are they still in the U.S.? 

As far as I can tell there hasn’t been any arrests.

13 Russians indicted to a conspiracy to engage in political speech without disclosing themselves as foreign agents.

One American has plead guilty for aiding them.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 03:25:27 PM
I can just see the headline now...

“Internet Trolls wearing nothing but their underwear yanked out of their mothers basement!”

“Hot Pockets still warm in hand!!”  :D

yeah, you're pretty close

the following may be much too nuanced and complicated for someone like you to understand but give it a try.

maybe print it out and read it slowly in sections taking long breaks for your brain to rest

or maybe go find an smart child to read it to you and explain the parts where you get lost

Quote
The special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations on Friday with illegally trying to disrupt the American political process, including efforts designed to boost the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump and hurt that of his opponent, Hillary Clinton.

The indictment represents the first charges by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for meddling in the 2016 presidential election — the fundamental crime that he was assigned to investigate.

In a 37-page indictment filed in United States District Court, Mr. Mueller said that the 13 individuals have conspired since 2014 to violate laws that prohibit foreigners from spending money to influence federal elections in the United States.

The indictment charges that the foreigners falsely posed as American citizens, stole identities and otherwise engaged in fraud and deceit in an effort to influence the U.S. political process, including the 2016 presidential race.

“The nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists,” Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general overseeing Mr. Mueller’s inquiry, said in a brief news conference on Friday afternoon at the Justice Department.

Though the Russians are unlikely to be immediately arrested, they are now wanted by the United States government, which will make it hard for them to travel or do business internationally. All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud and five with aggravated identity theft.

The indictment lays out a highly sophisticated, well-funded, three-year-long scheme designed in part to put President Trump in The White House.

The Internet Research Agency, operating out of St. Petersburg, was described in the indictment as a hub for a sophisticated operation designed to reach millions of Americans to disrupt the political process in the United States. Its annual budget was millions of dollars; its stated goal was to “spread distrust toward the candidates and the political system in general.”

The goal of the Russian operation was “information warfare against the United States,” the indictment alleges. Some of the Russians, posing as Americans and working on what was dubbed “the Translator Project,” “communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign and other political activists.”

They communicated with members of the campaign, volunteers, supporters and grass-roots workers, court papers show. Those individuals — none of whom are named in the indictment — sometimes spread the Russian-created political messages through retweets, reposts and other means. The Russian conspirators then monitored how far their messages carried, the indictment states.

Individuals involved in the conspiracy traveled to and around the United States, visiting at least eight states, court papers show, and worked with an unidentified American. That person advised them to focus their efforts on what they viewed as “purple” election battleground states, including Colorado, Virginia and Florida, the indictment said.

The indictment cites a series of political advertisements paid for by the Russians, all of them against Mrs. Clinton and in favor of Mr. Trump. “Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is,” one advertisement created by the Russians stated.

After the election, still striving to sow discord, Russians began staging political rallies both for and against President-elect Trump, sometimes on the same day, Mr. Rosenstein said.

While the indictment does not directly accuse the Russian government of running the operation, American intelligence agencies have said that Russian President Vladimir V. Putin authorized a multipronged campaign to boost Mr. Trump’s political chances and damage Mrs. Clinton. The indictment points out that the two Russian firms involved in financing it hold various Russian government contracts.

Specialists, divided into day teams and night teams, created hundreds of social media accounts in the United States — accounts that eventually attracted hundreds of thousands of online followers. Separate divisions of the Internet Research Agency were in charge of graphics, data analysis and information technology, according to the indictment.

The Kremlin’s spokesman Dmitri S. Peskov told the RBC news website that Russian officials haven’t familiarized themselves with the document yet.

Mr. Rosenstein said repeatedly that the indictment does not allege that the Russian operation changed the outcome of the presidential election.

Even though the Russians recruited and paid Americans to help them stage political rallies and promote political candidates, he said, the indictment also does not allege that any of the Americans knowingly conspired with the Russian operation.

“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge,” he said.

In a separate indictment filed by Mr. Mueller on Friday, Richard Pinedo, of Santa Paula, Calif., was charged with identity fraud, involving bank account numbers sold over the internet. According to court papers, some of Mr. Pinedo’s customers are foreigners who are targets of Mr. Mueller’s inquiry.

Mr. Pinedo has pleaded guilty and is cooperating with Mr. Mueller, court documents show.


The individuals charged were mainly directors or financiers of the “translator project,” according to the indictment. In May 2016, the defendants arranged for an American to stand in front of the White House holding a “happy birthday” sign for a man who controlled the two Russian firms that funded the operation. Other defendants were in charge of creating or updating the social media content.

The involvement of some defendants was masked behind various business entities. Two traveled to the United States under false pretenses in order to collect intelligence that would guide the project, court papers show; at least one was unable to obtain a visa.

Their plans included “evacuation scenarios” — presumably in case they were discovered. On Sept. 13, after news media reports that Mr. Mueller’s team was investigating evidence that Russians had used fake social media accounts to interfere with the 2016 election, one defendant allegedly wrote: “We had a slight crisis here at work. The F.B.I. busted our activities. So I got preoccupied with covering tracks.”

The indictment accuses the Russians of conspiring to obstruct enforcement of American laws, including campaign finance laws administered by the Federal Election Commission that bar foreign spending to influence elections. The F.E.C. launched its own probe into the Internet Research Agency last year, after Facebook revealed that the firm had paid more than $100,000 for politically-themed ads, including ones promoting “Down With Hillary” rallies.


The Russians are charged with orchestrating a wide variety of political activities, including using Facebook and Instagram to promote pro-Trump rallies in Florida, Pennsylvania and New York while organizing anti-Clinton rallies in the District of Columbia and elsewhere. They gave some American citizens specific tasks at those rallies, such as wearing a costume portraying Mrs. Clinton in a prison uniform or building a prison-style cage on a flatbed truck.

After the election, they allegedly kept up their efforts to foment dissent. In November, they staged two rallies in New York on the same day. One had the theme: “Show your support for President-Elect Trump.” The other was called: “Trump is NOT my president.”




https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indicted-mueller-election-interference.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
As far as I can tell there hasn’t been any arrests.

13 Russians indicted to a conspiracy to engage in political speech without disclosing themselves as foreign agents.

One American has plead guilty for aiding them.

And that American was not part of the Trump campaign. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
And that American was not part of the Trump campaign. 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/16/politics/richard-pinedo-guilty-plea/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/16/politics/richard-pinedo-guilty-plea/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

No doubt a well known Trump subversive. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on February 16, 2018, 03:38:00 PM
No doubt a well known Trump subversive. 

 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on February 16, 2018, 03:38:13 PM
As far as I can tell there hasn’t been any arrests.

13 Russians indicted to a conspiracy to engage in political speech without disclosing themselves as foreign agents.

One American has plead guilty for aiding them.

of course there haven't been any arrests

do you think they hung around to get arrested

They're not dumb like the Trumptards they duped into helping them

Quote
Though the Russians are unlikely to be immediately arrested, they are now wanted by the United States government, which will make it hard for them to travel or do business internationally.

Their plans included “evacuation scenarios” — presumably in case they were discovered

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 18, 2018, 08:03:43 AM
bout damn time; still no hope of shit getting accomplished though
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 18, 2018, 08:32:28 AM


They're not dumb like the Trumptards they duped into helping them


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 19, 2018, 04:16:15 AM
When Twitter Bots become Pearl Harbor 2.0  :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 19, 2018, 02:03:07 PM
So all 13 of these Russians are in Russia?  We are spending millions of taxpayer dollars to prosecute people who will never see the inside of an American prison even if convicted?  That is nuts. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 19, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
Mueller indictments still miss the mark on Trump-Russia collusion
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/17/18

Lewis Carroll once wrote in praise of adjectives, saying that “adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs.” That is certainly true with the latest indictments by special counsel Robert Mueller of 13 Russians for interfering with the 2016 presidential election. For the White House, the entire report comes down to a single adjective. Let’s see if you can spot it: The Russian defendants “communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign.”

Despite a 37-page indictment with a long narrative on a coordinated Russian campaign of interference, the most newsworthy fact comes from the carefully placed adjective “unwitting.” It confirms that the special counsel has found no knowing coordination or collusion between these hackers and Trump officials. The indictment names 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities in alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election. It describes a coordinated effort by Russians, including the shadowy Internet Research Agency, to wage “information warfare” against the United States.

The charges themselves are not particularly novel or exotic. They involve identity fraud, wire fraud and other conventional charges. However, the context is anything but conventional. This is the largest indictment of a foreign effort to interfere with our elections, and the clear import is that the hand of the Russian government was behind this effort. Moreover, it is clear that the Russians were acting to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton.

While the indictment is historic, it is hardly a surprise. Few people were questioning the Russian interference with and hacking of the election. Both Democratic and Republican leaders were in agreement on this fact, as were all of the administration’s top intelligence figures. The one hold-out seemed to be the president himself. He routinely referred to the “fake news” of the Russian investigation.

While Trump seemed to be focusing on the specific allegations of collusion by his campaign, he will now have a chance to make that distinction more clearly and concretely. This indictment is incredibly detailed and damning as to the effort of the Russians to interfere in the election and then hide their tracks once the FBI went into the field looking for the hackers.

That brings us back to “unwitting.” Not only did the indictment clearly say that no one in the Trump campaign was wittingly or knowingly involved with the Russians, it explains how the Russians used fake names and groups to hide their real identities. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein gave a press conference and drove home that point, stating that there was no evidence of any knowing involvement by the Trump campaign, as well as no evidence that this effort impacted the election. Indeed, Rosenstein stated that there is “no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge” of the Russian effort.

For over a year, some of us have been questioning the weekly “bombshells” announced on cable programs of criminal Russian collusion. Indeed, for months I asked for someone to point to a crime of collusion in the criminal code or the criminal evidence to support a criminal indictment if such a related charge is made. With each week, experts have given breathless accounts of the circle of collusion tightening on the Trump campaign.

Now, the special counsel and the deputy attorney general are saying that there is no evidence of knowing interaction of campaign staff with Russians interfering with the election. The paucity of such evidence follows a year of intensive investigation and the much heralded plea bargains with former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and campaign adviser George Papadopoulos and the expected plea with former campaign official Rick Gates. There is still no evidence of anyone “wittingly” or knowingly colluding with these Russians. Moreover, the indictment says that the Russian efforts began in 2014, long before the candidacy of Trump.

None of that has stopped the spin. CNN political director David Chalian insisted that nothing in the indictment actually says that the Trump campaign did nothing wrong. But prosecutors generally do not use indictments to affirmatively exonerate organizations. They focus on the matter under investigation. On the same panel, CNN legal analyst Carrie Cordero speculated that the Mueller team added this language “to give it political cover” to protect his investigation and allow it to continue without interference from the White House. There is also the slight possibility that this is an indictment which stated the facts required to be truthful to the court and that there is no evidence of collusion.

Of course, the absence of collusion would not end the Mueller investigation, and reports indicate the collusion probe is ongoing. Mueller has already charged various figures with collateral crimes. Moreover, even if there is no case for collusion, there could still be a case of obstruction. The irony would be hard to miss. For months, many of us have been baffled by the president’s obsession and personal actions in relation to the Russian investigation. The evidence against Trump or his campaign has remained entirely speculative and thin. Yet, he has repeatedly acted in ways that have fueled allegations of obstruction, even though the underlying case is manifestly weak.

If Mueller ultimately finds no collusion, it could not only clear Trump but could even lead him to consider the use of his pardon power for individuals like Flynn. It is doubtful that Flynn’s indictment would have been handed down but for the appointment of the special counsel. Again, the irony is crushing. Before Trump fired James Comey as FBI director, his investigators reportedly decided that Flynn did not intentionally lie to them about his meeting with the Russians. Once Trump fired Comey, Flynn was a target of opportunity for the special prosecutors.

This all brings us back to “unwitting.” When this history is written, that adjective could well stand out as the turning point in the Russian investigation. The remaining question could be whether Trump wittingly obstructed an investigation into unwitting contacts with the Russians.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/374312-mueller-indictments-still-miss-the-mark-on-trump-russia-collusion
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 19, 2018, 05:38:24 PM
Older story, but relevant today to the impact (or lack thereof) of Russia on the outcome of the 2016 election.

Facebook: Clinton, Trump campaigns spent a combined $81M on ads
BY HARPER NEIDIG - 11/01/17

Facebook revealed on Wednesday that the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump spent a combined $81 million on election ads during last year's presidential race.

The news came during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing focused on Russia's use of social media platforms to try to sway the outcome of the election.

Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked Facebook's general counsel, Colin Stretch, about the campaigns' spending figures to contrast them with the amount spent on political ads by a Russian "troll farm."

Stretch said that the fake Russian accounts had spent about $46,000 on ads in the run-up to the election.

The campaigns' expenditures on Facebook have not been available in public filings because the ad purchases are often made through intermediaries.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/358206-facebook-clinton-trump-campaigns-spent-a-combined-81m-on-ads
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 19, 2018, 05:51:15 PM
13 Russians impacted the US Presidential election from Russia, but millions of illegal aliens actually casting votes had no impact?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on February 20, 2018, 03:50:42 AM
Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians

Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016.

Prosecutors said Friday that the Russians indicted for meddling in the presidential campaign were also behind anti-Trump rallies that occured after the election.

The government alleged in an indictment signed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that the defendants organized a Nov. 12 “Trump is NOT my President” rally in New York. Their “strategic goal” was to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the indictment said.

On Nov. 12, Moore tweeted: "At today's Trump Tower protest. He wouldn't come down."

He attached a picture of himself posing with a large number of protesters.

Moore also posted a lengthy video on Facebook Nov. 12, in which he joined the protest and debated voters at Trump Tower.

Moore has repeatedly claimed that President Trump inappropriately colluded with Russians.

Last year, Moore wrote on Facebook: "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was going on: TRUMP COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS TO THROW THE ELECTION TO HIM."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/20/michael-moore-participated-in-anti-trump-rally-allegedly-organized-by-russians.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on February 20, 2018, 07:08:59 AM
13 Russians impacted the US Presidential election from Russia, but millions of illegal aliens actually casting votes had no impact?

Well if the illegals voted for Trump then we would have something  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 01:00:43 PM
Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians

Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016.

Prosecutors said Friday that the Russians indicted for meddling in the presidential campaign were also behind anti-Trump rallies that occured after the election.

The government alleged in an indictment signed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that the defendants organized a Nov. 12 “Trump is NOT my President” rally in New York. Their “strategic goal” was to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the indictment said.

On Nov. 12, Moore tweeted: "At today's Trump Tower protest. He wouldn't come down."

He attached a picture of himself posing with a large number of protesters.

Moore also posted a lengthy video on Facebook Nov. 12, in which he joined the protest and debated voters at Trump Tower.

Moore has repeatedly claimed that President Trump inappropriately colluded with Russians.

Last year, Moore wrote on Facebook: "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was going on: TRUMP COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS TO THROW THE ELECTION TO HIM."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/20/michael-moore-participated-in-anti-trump-rally-allegedly-organized-by-russians.html

Funny.   :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 01:19:52 PM
Another process crime having nothing to with the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory. 

Mueller’s Move on Ex-Skadden Lawyer Puts Heat on Manafort, Gates
By David Voreacos  and Stephanie Baker
February 20, 2018

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/skadden-arps-lawyer-is-charged-with-role-in-u-s-russia-probe
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
So all 13 of these Russians are in Russia?  We are spending millions of taxpayer dollars to prosecute people who will never see the inside of an American prison even if convicted?  That is nuts. 

The thirteen Russians most likely will not be prosecuted in the U.S.. They've been indicted, in order to prosecute them they must first be arrested and deported to the U.S. to stand trial. The only chance of this happening is if anyone of them should travel to a country that has an extradition treaty/agreement with the U.S. This being the case, taxpayer dollars would not be spent to prosecute them, although our tax dollars fund the FBI and the Mueller investigation which has cost somewhere between $5 and $7 million dollars thus far. The Whitewater investigation cost $70-80 mil. and went on for four and a half years. Watergate took two years and cost $6.3 million in 1974.

  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
The thirteen Russians most likely will not be prosecuted in the U.S.. They've been indicted, in order to prosecute them they must first be arrested and deported to the U.S. to stand trial. The only chance of this happening is if anyone of them should travel to a country that has an extradition treaty/agreement with the U.S. This being the case, taxpayer dollars would not be spent to prosecute them, although our tax dollars fund the FBI and the Mueller investigation which has cost somewhere between $5 and $7 million dollars thus far. The Whitewater investigation cost $70-80 mil. and went on for four and a half years. Watergate took two years and cost $6.3 million in 1974.

  

Wait.  They were indicted but will not be prosecuted? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
13 Russians impacted the US Presidential election from Russia, but millions of illegal aliens actually casting votes had no impact?

Although it has been stated by several conservative articles that 3 million illegal aliens voted in the 2016 general election, there is no sure way to know this. The articles point back to tweets from Gregg Phillips, who has worked for the Republican Party and has a voter fraud reporting app. But Phillips will not provide any evidence to support his claim, which happens to be undermined by publicly available information. The end result is this claim is unproven and will probably never be proven.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Wait.  They were indicted but will not be prosecuted? 

Yup. Most likely they will not.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 02:04:16 PM
Yup. Most likely they will not.

What's the point of indicting them if they will not be prosecuted? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
What's the point of indicting them if they will not be prosecuted? 

It supposedly sends a message to foreign powers looking to interfere in our election process by committing acts of conspiracy. It makes me think of registering your phone number on the government 'do not call' list and expecting spammers who routinely break the law to stop calling you. I suspect it also helps to prove a conspiracy which requires two entities. In order to conspire you usually have to have someone to conspire with.

How Trump imagines this exonerates him, is difficult to comprehend.     
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 20, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
How Trump imagines this exonerates him, is difficult to comprehend.     
lol, I bet it is.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 03:18:58 PM
It supposedly sends a message to foreign powers looking to interfere in our election process by committing acts of conspiracy. It makes me think of registering your phone number on the government 'do not call' list and expecting spammers who routinely break the law to stop calling you. I suspect it also helps to prove a conspiracy which requires two entities. In order to conspire you usually have to have someone to conspire with.

How Trump imagines this exonerates him, is difficult to comprehend.     

Or perhaps it's to justify the millions of taxpayer dollars being spent running down rabbit holes; an investigation in search of a crime. 

Of course Trump thinks this exonerates him.  It does.  They indicted a bunch of people who will never be prosecuted, who made contact with unwitting Americans, while spending $46k on fake facebook ads, organizing rallies for and against Trump, supporting Bernie, supporting Jill Stein, and opposing Hillary Clinton.   

This conspiracy theory gets dumber by the day. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
Or perhaps it's to justify the millions of taxpayer dollars being spent running down rabbit holes; an investigation in search of a crime. 

Of course Trump thinks this exonerates him.  It does.  They indicted a bunch of people who will never be prosecuted, who made contact with unwitting Americans, while spending $46k on fake facebook ads, organizing rallies for and against Trump, supporting Bernie, supporting Jill Stein, and opposing Hillary Clinton.   

This conspiracy theory gets dumber by the day. 


You make some valid points. Whether or not Trump is exonerated or not, time will tell. My guess is if there was collusion with the Russians, Trump managed to keep his hands off it. However his cohorts including family members could be complicit. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen as those cronies indicted win or lose in court. Keep in mind, there have already been guilty pleas.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 03:58:36 PM
You make some valid points. Whether or not Trump is exonerated or not, time will tell. My guess is if there was collusion with the Russians, Trump managed to keep his hands off it. However his cohorts including family members could be complicit. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen as those cronies indicted win or lose in court. Keep in mind, there have already been guilty pleas.   

Guilty pleas having nothing to do with this conspiracy theory, involving process crimes and alleged crimes that occurred years before the election having nothing to do with Trump.  This entire ordeal is going to leave an enormous black eye on the people pushing this theory.

I'm not a big fan of Trump's twitter use, but one of his tweets was spot on:  Russia intended to create chaos in our election, and they did. 

Did you know Russia is behind the equally loony faked moon landing conspiracy?  I learned that recently.  How embarrassing that so many people get suckered by these things. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 20, 2018, 04:28:10 PM
Guilty pleas having nothing to do with this conspiracy theory, involving process crimes and alleged crimes that occurred years before the election having nothing to do with Trump.  This entire ordeal is going to leave an enormous black eye on the people pushing this theory.

I'm not a big fan of Trump's twitter use, but one of his tweets was spot on:  Russia intended to create chaos in our election, and they did.  

Did you know Russia is behind the equally loony faked moon landing conspiracy?  I learned that recently.  How embarrassing that so many people get suckered by these things.  

Perhaps the pleas have nothing to do with possible conspiracy or collusion. This Washington Post Article suggests to me that all this is much more complicated than it might seem on the surface, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5).

What has happened and what will happen in the months or years ahead, we can only speculate about. My guess is that even the so called 'insiders' don't know the answers. Sometimes I believe we get caught up in our human nature desire to be right, which fuels our discussions. It is good that we have opinions and it is also good to be flexible about them because in the end opinions change very little.

You are right that the Trump twitter you cited is right on. It would be good if he could tweet more twitters that don't appear to be a rant. Russia not only created election chaos, they are still in the mix, IMO
 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 20, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Perhaps the pleas have nothing to do with possible conspiracy or collusion. This Washington Post Article suggests to me that all this is much more complicated than it might seem on the surface, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5).

What has happened and what will happen in the months or years ahead, we can only speculate about. My guess is that even the so called 'insiders' don't know the answers. Sometimes I believe we get caught up in our human nature desire to be right, which fuels our discussions. It is good that we have opinions and it is also good to be flexible about them because in the end opinions change very little.

You are right that the Trump twitter you cited is right on. It would be good if he could tweet more twitters that don't appear to be a rant. Russia not only created election chaos, they are still in the mix, IMO
 

how do you feel about the media using blatant propaganda to sell a political narrative?

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2018, 05:11:25 PM
Perhaps the pleas have nothing to do with possible conspiracy or collusion. This Washington Post Article suggests to me that all this is much more complicated than it might seem on the surface, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.aa94db4c4bf5).

What has happened and what will happen in the months or years ahead, we can only speculate about. My guess is that even the so called 'insiders' don't know the answers. Sometimes I believe we get caught up in our human nature desire to be right, which fuels our discussions. It is good that we have opinions and it is also good to be flexible about them because in the end opinions change very little.

You are right that the Trump twitter you cited is right on. It would be good if he could tweet more twitters that don't appear to be a rant. Russia not only created election chaos, they are still in the mix, IMO
 

Pretty insightful post. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 20, 2018, 05:41:52 PM
Although it has been stated by several conservative articles that 3 million illegal aliens voted in the 2016 general election, there is no sure way to know this. The articles point back to tweets from Gregg Phillips, who has worked for the Republican Party and has a voter fraud reporting app. But Phillips will not provide any evidence to support his claim, which happens to be undermined by publicly available information. The end result is this claim is unproven and will probably never be proven.
Voter ID laws would solve that problem. I need an ID and license to use my 2nd Amendment RIGHT.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on February 20, 2018, 08:11:08 PM
how do you feel about the media using blatant propaganda to sell a political narrative?


WOW, nothing surprises me anymore.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 21, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
So that kid really an actor?  Is it the same kid? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 21, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
how do you feel about the media using blatant propaganda to sell a political narrative?



People see things differently. What appears to be propaganda to one person may not be to another. Either way, we should not believe everything we hear or see in the news media. I didn't get political propaganda from the lifeguard clip. What I watched was a report on fairly a insignificant event.  

Gun control has been a hot button issue for many years. News media is in the business of making money. What better way to get people watching than to jump on something like  this. The greater the number of viewers the more they can charge for ad time and the greater the number of businesses willing to pay.

Personally, I believe it is a good idea to limit exposure to the news media. Rarely are news stories about something positive. Too much negativity brings people down.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 21, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
So that kid really an actor?  Is it the same kid? 

The kid says he's not. Just strange.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 21, 2018, 12:20:49 PM
The kid says he's not. Just strange.

Where is it coming from?  Are there pictures of the same kid at other events (that are not photo shopped)?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 21, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
Nolte: 13 Things the Media Don’t Want You to Know About Mueller’s 13 Indictments
by JOHN NOLTE
21 Feb 2018

Last week, the leak machine that is special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian citizens, and our disgraced media disgraced themselves even further by comparing these alleged crimes to Pearl Harbor. The truth, of course, is the exact opposite. Basically, these indictments reveal to us all kinds of inconvenient truths the corrupt media are hiding from the public, and below are 13 of them.

Before we get started, I must credit Byron York for doing most of the work in breaking down the Mueller indictment. You will definitely want to read his full piece here.

We will start with my favorite:

Mueller Did Not Indict the Russians for Election Meddling
In the end, although they have been indicted for all kinds of sexy stuff, like identity theft and bank fraud, these 13 Russian citizens (who will never be extradited to America) are not charged with what we are told is their big crime — meddling in the election.

John Hinderaker believes, and not without merit, that Mueller did this to protect Hillary Clinton.

The Russians Never Tried to Elect Trump
The biggest lie Democrats and the media wish to spread is that the Russians actively worked to make Donald Trump president. These indictments have exposed that narrative as anti-science hogwash.

Chaos was the only Russian gameplan, which is why, after Trump’s surprise win, they organized anti-Trump rallies. Before the election, they promoted Trump and Bernie Sanders to gin up opposition to the person whom they believed would be the next president — Hillary Clinton.

Had the polls showed Trump running away with it, the Russians would have promoted Hillary.

The indictment quotes a Russian document that lays out the primary goal — to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups, users dissatisfied with [the] social and economic situation and oppositional social movements … [to] spread distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.”

The Russian Campaign Began Two Years Before Trump Announced His Presidential Run
The indictment clearly states that the Russian operation began in May of 2014 with “the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016.”

The media would have you believe this conspiracy centered around Trump. It did not; it never did — at least not until after he won the election, and then the Russians organized events in opposition to him.

Most of the Russian Spending Occurred AFTER the Election
Even though this Russian chaos campaign began in 2014, most of the money spent was still AFTER the 2016 election. According to Byron York, “Just 44 percent came before the election, while 56 percent came after the election.”

The Budget for This Operation Was Laughably Small
Starting in September of 2016, two months before the election, the Russians spent a measly $1.2 million a month. When you compare that to the billions spent by Trump, Hillary, special interest groups, and the anti-Trump corporate media, it is like dropping a teaspoon of water into a boiling cauldron.

Only $3,200 Was Spent on Advertising in Swing States
Trump is president because he picked off Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The total Russian ad spend in those three crucial states was hilariously close to zero: $1,979, $823, and $300, respectively.

Only 11 Million People Saw the Russian Facebook Ads — Kind Of
While 11 million people saw the Russians’ Facebook ads, the context is important. The 11 million saw these ads between 2015 and 2017, and only 44 percent of the ads were placed prior to the election.

During all this time, the Russians spent a total of $100,000. Compare that to the Clinton and Trump campaigns, which spent a combined $81 million on Facebook advertising.

Vast Majority of Russian Ad Buy Did Not Reference the Election
According to Facebook, this is the truth about that minuscule ad buy: “The vast majority [of the ads] didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election, voting or a particular candidate.”

Other Russian Facebook Content Was Even More Hapless
Byron York explains:

Of course, Facebook is more than ads; the vast majority of the material on it is so-called organic content, produced by the people who use Facebook. The company estimates that a total of around 150 million people may have been “served content” from a page associated with the Russians during the two-year period before and after the election. That means that some Russian-produced content was visible on news feeds — not that Facebook users necessarily saw it or engaged with it.

“This equals about four-thousands of one percent (0.004%) of content in News Feed, or approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content,” Facebook executive Colin Stretch said in prepared testimony before the Senate last November.

After Trump’s Victory, the Russians Organized an Anti-Trump Rally
To continue to create chaos, after Trump won, the Russians organized competing rallies in New York. One was pro-Trump, the other against.

CNN and MSNBC Immediately Became Putin’s Patsies
Newsbusters reports that CNN and MSNBC were Putin’s perfect patsies when it came to promoting Russia’s anti-Trump rally:

One of the revelations in Friday’s indictment handed down by Special Counsel Robert Mueller was that alleged Russian attempts to sow disunity in 2016 included the organization of both pro- and anti-Trump rallies in New York City on the Saturday after Election Day.

A check of their November 12 coverage showed both CNN and MSNBC gave enthusiastic coverage to the Russian-organized anti-Trump rally that day, with live reports every hour. Correspondents celebrated the idea that it was “a love rally,” and repeated the marchers’ anti-Trump mantras, such as: “We reject the President-elect.”

While the two liberal anti-Trump networks offered heavy coverage of the anti-Trump rally throughout the day, a check of coverage between noon and 5:00 p.m. Eastern found that the Fox News Channel offered only a short re-cap (66 seconds) at the start of their 4:00 p.m. Eastern hour.

President Obama Knew the Russians Were Meddling, Thought It Was Funny, Did Nothing
Just three weeks before the election, a full three years into the Russian chaos program, Obama dismissed the whole idea of election meddling and mocked Trump as a whiner:

But the larger point I want to emphasize here is that there is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved.

There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.

And here is a video of Rachel Maddow in 2014 laughing it up after Obama dismissed Russia to that of “a gnat on an elephant’s butt.”

A year later, the Russians would set up their chaos operation.

The Russians Promoted Black Lives Matter, Immigration, and Muslims
The Washington Examiner:

The primary objective of the Russians’ conspiracy, according to Mueller’s indictment, was to “spread distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general,” and not necessarily to put Trump in the Oval Office, as many Democrats have claimed.

Russian groups allegedly created Facebook and Instagram pages that promoted polarizing content across a range of issues not specific to any political party — including a pro-immigration page called “Secured Borders,” a Black Lives Matter-themed Instagram page called “Blacktivist” that supported third-party candidate Jill Stein, and religious-linked pages called “United Muslims of America” and “Army of Jesus.”

Now that we know the Russians are only interested in creating chaos, those who help in this effort against Trump, like CNN and NBC News, can no longer be described as “unwitting patsies.” Rather, they will reveal themselves as willing colluders and collaborators and must be called out as such.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/02/21/13-things-media-dont-want-know-muellers-13-indictments/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 21, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
So that kid really an actor?  Is it the same kid? 

He sure looks like he is the same person. There are other possibilities. One might be that his head has been photo shopped in. Even if he were the same fellow, it changes nothing about the event. Seventeen kids died, twelve were injured and hosts of kids and adults are traumatized as the result of a mentally ill person who also had a gun collection, including the AR-15 he used in this slaughter.

No matter where you stand on gun control, this is the time for discussions about it. In a few weeks or so, much of the country will have all but forgotten about the horror of this awful event.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 21, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
He sure looks like he is the same person. There are other possibilities. One might be that his head has been photo shopped in. Even if he were the same fellow, it changes nothing about the event. Seventeen kids died, twelve were injured and hosts of kids and adults are traumatized as the result of a mentally ill person who also had a gun collection, including the AR-15 he used in this slaughter.

No matter where you stand on gun control, this is the time for discussions about it. In a few weeks or so, much of the country will have all but forgotten about the horror of this awful event.

Apparently it is the same kid, but he says his family moved from California to Florida.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crisis-actors-lie-spreads-wake-florida-shooting-170138726.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 21, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
Watch the video.  What a dirtbag move, particularly when you factor in CNN covering a fake rally.

Woman Receives Abuse, Violent Threats After CNN Tracks Down, Publicly Shames Her for Sharing ‘Russian’ Event on Facebook
CNN Shames Woman for Facebook PostCNN
by CHARLIE NASH
21 Feb 2018

A private citizen received online abuse after CNN tracked her down and publicly shamed her for unknowingly sharing a “Russian-coordinated event” on her Facebook page.
While filming the woman, who runs a pro-Trump page on Facebook, CNN publicly shamed her for “unwittingly” promoting a “Russian-coordinated event.”

CNN

@CNN
A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls http://cnn.it/2EHVPpE
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“When you’re talking like this, I don’t want anything to do with you,” complained the woman after being repeatedly harassed by CNN’s Special Investigations Unit Reporter Drew Griffin.

Following the incident, conservative commentators criticized CNN for tracking down and attempting to publicly shame private citizens.

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“Stop harassing people at their homes, you psychos!” replied conservative YouTube star Mark Dice.

21h

CNN

@CNN
A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls http://cnn.it/2EHVPpE  pic.twitter.com/OAz5julCyA
 
Mark Dice

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Stop harassing people at their homes, you psychos!
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A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls http://cnn.it/2EHVPpE  pic.twitter.com/OAz5julCyA
 
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Journalist Jerry Dunleavy also pointed out that CNN were duped themselves into covering alleged “Russian-generated rallies.”

 
Jerry Dunleavy IV
@JerryDunleavy
So @CNN tracked down one of the ppl unwittingly duped by the Russians — reminder that CNN itself was duped into covering Russian-generated rallies — and @DrewGriffinCNN & Co. thought it best to publicly shame this old lady. Now ppl are viciously harassing her online. A thread. 1/ https://twitter.com/cnn/status/966134015337140229 …
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After CNN published her full name, the woman received waves of abuse and harassment, with CNN consumers calling her a “stupid old hag,” a “traitor,” a “treasonous hillbilly,” “ugly,” and “racist trash.”

11h

Jerry Dunleavy IV
@JerryDunleavy
So @CNN tracked down one of the ppl unwittingly duped by the Russians — reminder that CNN itself was duped into covering Russian-generated rallies — and @DrewGriffinCNN & Co. thought it best to publicly shame this old lady. Now ppl are viciously harassing her online. A thread. 1/ https://twitter.com/cnn/status/966134015337140229 …
 
Jerry Dunleavy IV
@JerryDunleavy
CNN published her name — it’s so unique it’s the only one that pops up on FB. I’m not doxxing her & I won’t show her profile page, but let’s take a look at the comment section of her recent FB posts — first up a baby vid. If Russia wanted division, they got it. Nice job, @CNN. 2/ pic.twitter.com/DlndyU3Sko
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CNN published her name — it’s so unique it’s the only one that pops up on FB. I’m not doxxing her & I won’t show her profile page, but let’s take a look at the comment section of her recent FB posts — first up a baby vid. If Russia wanted division, they got it. Nice job, @CNN. 2/ pic.twitter.com/DlndyU3Sko
 
Jerry Dunleavy IV
@JerryDunleavy
Thanks @CNN! Check out the stream of vile “Putin!” “Russia!” “Traitor!” talk in her comments — and memes of her! — all because some Russian trolls might’ve tricked her into talking to them. Yes, people need to be less gullible. But here’s The Resistance harassing an old woman. 3/ pic.twitter.com/FWnPG9Lwu2
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Thanks @CNN! Check out the stream of vile “Putin!” “Russia!” “Traitor!” talk in her comments — and memes of her! — all because some Russian trolls might’ve tricked her into talking to them. Yes, people need to be less gullible. But here’s The Resistance harassing an old woman. 3/ pic.twitter.com/FWnPG9Lwu2
 
Jerry Dunleavy IV
@JerryDunleavy
Just wonderful @CNN. Give yourselves a hand. Again — Russia wanted Americans turned against Americans? They wanted to sow chaos? They wanted to create division? Look at what a news report doxxing an old lady’s Facebook page results in. Vicious. Vile. Senseless. Uncharitable. 4/ pic.twitter.com/XFh1ffla7p
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The woman also received violent threats, with one user warning, “stay in Florida, you come to NY and I’ll kick your Russian bot ass.”

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Replying to @JerryDunleavy
Just wonderful @CNN. Give yourselves a hand. Again — Russia wanted Americans turned against Americans? They wanted to sow chaos? They wanted to create division? Look at what a news report doxxing an old lady’s Facebook page results in. Vicious. Vile. Senseless. Uncharitable. 4/ pic.twitter.com/XFh1ffla7p
 
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No seriously @CNN — did you consider the possibility that in exposing an old lady supposedly being tricked by Russian trolls on Facebook dot com that you would be sending waves of ***American*** trolls to call her a traitor, attack her appearance, & threaten her with violence? 5/ pic.twitter.com/vNbSMgYVqR
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Drew Griffin and the network have not yet confronted Michael Moore, who attended a rally allegedly organized by Russians.

In July, the cable news giant hunted down a man who posted a meme on Reddit poking fun at the network. The man publicly apologized to the network.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/02/21/woman-receives-abuse-violent-threats-after-cnn-tracks-down-publicly-shames-her-for-sharing-russian-event-on-facebook/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 21, 2018, 06:41:18 PM
CNN should be investigated.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 22, 2018, 02:49:00 AM
I am glad we are on the topic of CNN...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 12:14:47 PM
Apparently it is the same kid, but he says his family moved from California to Florida.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crisis-actors-lie-spreads-wake-florida-shooting-170138726.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb

If David Hogg is not a student at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, wouldn't it be easy enough to prove? It appears that far-right conspiracy theorist, including Rush Limbaugh don't bother to fact check their stories before broadcasting them.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 12:50:58 PM
Watch the video.  What a dirtbag move, particularly when you factor in CNN covering a fake rally.

Woman Receives Abuse, Violent Threats After CNN Tracks Down, Publicly Shames Her for Sharing ‘Russian’ Event on Facebook
CNN Shames Woman for Facebook PostCNN
by CHARLIE NASH
21 Feb 2018

A private citizen received online abuse after CNN tracked her down and publicly shamed her for unknowingly sharing a “Russian-coordinated event” on her Facebook page.
While filming the woman, who runs a pro-Trump page on Facebook, CNN publicly shamed her for “unwittingly” promoting a “Russian-coordinated event.”

CNN

@CNN
A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls http://cnn.it/2EHVPpE
4:14 PM - Feb 20, 2018
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“When you’re talking like this, I don’t want anything to do with you,” complained the woman after being repeatedly harassed by CNN’s Special Investigations Unit Reporter Drew Griffin.

Following the incident, conservative commentators criticized CNN for tracking down and attempting to publicly shame private citizens.

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“Stop harassing people at their homes, you psychos!” replied conservative YouTube star Mark Dice.


Etc...etc...etc

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“Stop harassing people at their homes, you psychos!” replied conservative YouTube star Mark Dice.



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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 22, 2018, 12:56:22 PM
Etc...etc...etc

Following the incident, conservative commentators criticized CNN for tracking down and attempting to publicly shame private citizens.

“Stop harassing people at their homes, you psychos!” replied conservative YouTube star Mark Dice.



are you suggesting it didn’t happen? The network known for covering up Clinton, the lefts provable evidence of Russia collusion?

Or how about this? Is this fake too?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/nras_loesch_i_wouldnt_have_been_able_to_exit_cnn_town_hall_if_i_didnt_have_a_security_detail.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
are you suggesting it didn’t happen? The network known for covering up Clinton, the lefts provable evidence of Russia collusion?

Or how about this? Is this fake too?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/nras_loesch_i_wouldnt_have_been_able_to_exit_cnn_town_hall_if_i_didnt_have_a_security_detail.html


Where did I suggest that it didn't happen? The video seems real enough to me. I believe I actually saw it while watching CNN. Lots of folks have posted this video on YouTube, at least eleven.

The reporter didn't seem to be harassing her, IMO. The video is 2:12 minutes short. Not much time to harass someone. Florine Gruen Goldfarb appeared to be clueless enough that it's possible she may not have realized what she was doing on her FaceBook page with regard to the Russians.

I watched the Town Hall in it's entirety. It not at all surprising Dana Loesch felt she needed security to leave. Personally, I think it was very brave of her to attend and to field the questions and rants she got. Hope the NRA paid a healthy sum.

A longtime conservative talk radio host, Loesch sparked outrage last year for an NRA recruitment ad in which she railed against the left for using “their media to assassinate real news” and said NRA members needed to confront “this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth”.

Once an influential mommy blogger, Loesch was already a prominent gun rights advocate when she joined the NRA in early 2017 as a special assistant to NRA executive vice-president Wayne LaPierre.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 04:01:26 PM
If David Hogg is not a student at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, wouldn't it be easy enough to prove? It appears that far-right conspiracy theorist, including Rush Limbaugh don't bother to fact check their stories before broadcasting them.

Uh, yeah.  I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but the people pushing looney conspiracy theories are almost all of the mainstream media. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
Where did I suggest that it didn't happen? The video seems real enough to me. I believe I actually saw it while watching CNN. Lots of folks have posted this video on YouTube, at least eleven.

The reporter didn't seem to be harassing her, IMO. The video is 2:12 minutes short. Not much time to harass someone. Florine Gruen Goldfarb appeared to be clueless enough that it's possible she may not have realized what she was doing on her FaceBook page with regard to the Russians.

I watched the Town Hall in it's entirety. It not at all surprising Dana Loesch felt she needed security to leave. Personally, I think it was very brave of her to attend and to field the questions and rants she got. Hope the NRA paid a healthy sum.

A longtime conservative talk radio host, Loesch sparked outrage last year for an NRA recruitment ad in which she railed against the left for using “their media to assassinate real news” and said NRA members needed to confront “this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth”.

Once an influential mommy blogger, Loesch was already a prominent gun rights advocate when she joined the NRA in early 2017 as a special assistant to NRA executive vice-president Wayne LaPierre.

She had to move last year because of death threats.  Liberals can be some violent, fascist mofos. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
She had to move last year because of death threats.  Liberals can be some violent, fascist mofos. 

Violence is not limited liberal extremists anymore than is it to far right conservatives.

"On the morning of Saturday, August 12, hundreds of white supremacists descended on Charlottesville, Virginia, for the Unite the Right rally. The rally never happened, but it almost didn’t matter: The event was the largest and most violent gathering of white supremacists in decades."
ADL- August 12, 2017

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(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/15/us/15partisan-picks-brawl/15partisan-picks-brawl-master768.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Violence is not limited liberal extremists anymore than is it to far right conservatives.

"On the morning of Saturday, August 12, hundreds of white supremacists descended on Charlottesville, Virginia, for the Unite the Right rally. The rally never happened, but it almost didn’t matter: The event was the largest and most violent gathering of white supremacists in decades."
ADL- August 12, 2017

(https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/cropped_img_md/public/2017-08/William%20Fear%2014%2088%20on%20helmet%20Alt%20Right%20Texas.jpeg?itok=6MXksdC4)

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/15/us/15partisan-picks-brawl/15partisan-picks-brawl-master768.jpg)

That is factually incorrect.  When it comes to the use of force to silence opposing political viewpoints, that is a liberal not conservative problem. It is in no way, shape, or form and "equal" problem. 

I challenge you to cite numerous instances of college Republicans using force to silence liberal speakers.  I can give you about 20 instances of liberals doing that on college campuses. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 04:35:02 PM
She had to move last year because of death threats.  Liberals can be some violent, fascist mofos.  



Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 22, 2018, 04:41:18 PM
If David Hogg is not a student at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, wouldn't it be easy enough to prove? It appears that far-right conspiracy theorist, including Rush Limbaugh don't bother to fact check their stories before broadcasting them.

LOL

Please link to where Rush accused the kid of not being a student at the school. Should be easy, he puts the written transcripts of his radio shows online.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 05:02:09 PM




Before I watch these 16 minutes worth of clips, what are they supposed to show?  And did you watch them yourself? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 05:05:26 PM
Another indictment that has zero to do with this nutty conspiracy theory.

Manafort, Gates indicted on new tax and bank fraud charges
By Samuel Chamberlain   | Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/22/manafort-gates-indicted-on-new-tax-and-bank-fraud-charges.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 05:20:02 PM
Before I watch these 16 minutes worth of clips, what are they supposed to show?  And did you watch them yourself? 

-No need to watch all of either clip. I did watch most of them myself because I wanted to get a better sense of how Dana Loesch comes off to people rather than to judge her solely on last night's performance. I find her irritating to listen to, not because of what she says so much as how she says it. After watching those videos and several others available on YouTube, I can see where she might need protection and why she might get death treats.

It seems I may have misspoke regarding what Limbaugh said about David Hogg. I cannot find the article I took it from which it too bad because I'd like to know if I misread it or if the article lied. "Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh  has stayed away from the "child actors" meme but does argue that the students are being used: "Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the NRA and guns.” Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes, USA TODAY

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 05:33:24 PM
-No need to watch all of either clip. I did watch most of them myself because I wanted to get a better sense of how Dana Loesch comes off to people rather than to judge her solely on last night's performance. I find her irritating to listen to, not because of what she says so much as how she says it. After watching those videos and several others available on YouTube, I can see where she might need protection and why she might get death treats.

It seems I may have misspoke regarding what Limbaugh said about David Hogg. I cannot find the article I took it from which it too bad because I'd like to know if I misread it or if the article lied. "Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh  has stayed away from the "child actors" meme but does argue that the students are being used: "Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the NRA and guns.” Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes, USA TODAY



You understand why she got death threats, because she's irritating.  That speaks volumes. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 22, 2018, 05:37:50 PM
That is factually incorrect.  When it comes to the use of force to silence opposing political viewpoints, that is a liberal not conservative problem. It is in no way, shape, or form and "equal" problem. 

I challenge you to cite numerous instances of college Republicans using force to silence liberal speakers.  I can give you about 20 instances of liberals doing that on college campuses. 

Where did I say it was an equal problem? Also, I made a point of saying that these acts of violence are most often the work of extremists regardless of political viewpoints. As an example, the fellow who drove his car into the crowd in Charlottesville killing Heather Heyer, does not IMO represent the right. He's an extreme nut-job who sided with the fascist in that protest.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 05:57:18 PM
Where did I say it was an equal problem? Also, I made a point of saying that these acts of violence are most often the work of extremists regardless of political viewpoints. As an example, the fellow who drove his car into the crowd in Charlottesville killing Heather Heyer, does not IMO represent the right. He's an extreme nut-job who sided with the fascist in that protest.

When I mentioned Loesch getting death threats, you said this:

Violence is not limited liberal extremists anymore than is it to far right conservatives.

I disagree that it is liberal extremists who are increasingly fascist.  It's mainstream liberals who are advocating censorship and using violence to silence opposing viewpoints.  It has become a liberal hallmark.  It's dangerous, particularly because so many young people are involved. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 22, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
She had to move last year because of death threats.  Liberals can be some violent, fascist mofos. 
X2
The most racist, violent, aggressive people are demoncrats.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
X2
The most racist, violent, aggressive people are demoncrats.

Ironic isn't it?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 22, 2018, 08:44:49 PM
Ironic isn't it?
Equality for all, except if you disagree with us!!! >:(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2018, 10:12:58 PM
Equality for all, except if you disagree with us!!! >:(

Exactly. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 23, 2018, 02:48:09 AM
Please address this question Prime.

LOL

Please link to where Rush accused the kid of not being a student at the school. Should be easy, he puts the written transcripts of his radio shows online.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 23, 2018, 06:30:24 AM
Dana great speech at cpac. A little theatrical at points but dead on.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27469/watch-dana-loesch-unloads-media-cpac-you-love-mass-amanda-prestigiacomo?amp

Shapiro killed it as well. Slight disagreement on his continual use of the Charlestown incident but great speech overall.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27485/watch-shapiros-electrifying-speech-cpac-daily-wire?amp
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 11:20:37 AM
You understand why she got death threats, because she's irritating.  That speaks volumes. 

Do you enjoy twisting my words? I did not say that she got death treats because she's irritating. She's irritating to me because IMO her voice is shrill and because she speaks over people. In one video I watched but did not post, Dana harasses a woman she wants to interview trying to get her to submit to the interview after the woman made it clear she was not interested.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 23, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Please address this question Prime.

He can't because it never happened. Got retracted/apologized by the radio show that said it but others picked it up and either don't care enough to check on it/simply lying and their followers eat it up with complete blinders. Scary how there is no accountability for them as they continue to mold the brains of many in our nation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
When I mentioned Loesch getting death threats, you said this:

I disagree that it is liberal extremists who are increasingly fascist.  It's mainstream liberals who are advocating censorship and using violence to silence opposing viewpoints.  It has become a liberal hallmark.  It's dangerous, particularly because so many young people are involved. 

You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to differ with you.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 11:37:33 AM
Please address this question Prime.



It seems I may have misspoke regarding what Limbaugh said about David Hogg. I cannot find the article I took it from which it too bad because I'd like to know if I misread it or if the article lied. "Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh  has stayed away from the "child actors" meme but does argue that the students are being used: "Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the NRA and guns.” Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes, USA TODAY

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 11:38:40 AM
He can't because it never happened. Got retracted/apologized by the radio show that said it but others picked it up and either don't care enough to check on it/simply lying and their followers eat it up with complete blinders. Scary how there is no accountability for them as they continue to mold the brains of many in our nation.


It seems I may have misspoke regarding what Limbaugh said about David Hogg. I cannot find the article I took it from which it too bad because I'd like to know if I misread it or if the article lied. "Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh  has stayed away from the "child actors" meme but does argue that the students are being used: "Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the NRA and guns.” Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes, USA TODAY

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 11:42:06 AM
Equality for all, except if you disagree with us!!! >:(

Huh? When did I say equality for all? I don't believe that's possible.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 23, 2018, 12:24:18 PM
If David Hogg is not a student at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, wouldn't it be easy enough to prove? It appears that far-right conspiracy theorist, including Rush Limbaugh don't bother to fact check their stories before broadcasting them.

Why would you immediately accuse Limbaugh of not fact checking before broadcasting then you don't fact check before broadcasting on the internet?

You "misspoke", lol? No you believed in what you said and insulted him and are now saying you "misspoke". Punk line from someone who can't admit they were wrong and did not care enough to fact check.

Typical of a "far left conspiracy theorist" like yourself.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 23, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to differ with you.

My opinion is supported by a plethora of facts.  For example, I can give you numerous instances of what has been happening on college campuses around the country.

I also challenged you to find me multiple instances of college Republican kids using force to try and censor liberal speakers. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 23, 2018, 03:49:02 PM
It seems I may have misspoke regarding what Limbaugh said about David Hogg.

How can you misspeak about something that you have no idea of what was said?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 03:49:15 PM
Why would you immediately accuse Limbaugh of not fact checking before broadcasting then you don't fact check before broadcasting on the internet?

You "misspoke", lol? No you believed in what you said and insulted him and are now saying you "misspoke". Punk line from someone who can't admit they were wrong and did not care enough to fact check.

Typical of a "far left conspiracy theorist" like yourself.

I'm going to try and avoid using an expletive as a response.

You're description of who I am is erroneous.  I'm not typical nor am I a "far left conspiracy theorist" in any way. As I've stated before, you don't know me.

If you don't like my admission, so be it. I don't like your characterization of me. I don't like how you convolute what I post in order to create your responses.    
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2018, 03:55:05 PM
My opinion is supported by a plethora of facts.  For example, I can give you numerous instances of what has been happening on college campuses around the country.

I also challenged you to find me multiple instances of college Republican kids using force to try and censor liberal speakers. 

Proceed with your offer.

Who are you to challenge me about something I never wrote or said?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 23, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Huh? When did I say equality for all? I don't believe that's possible.
Racist bastard!!! >:(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 24, 2018, 05:38:17 AM
I'm going to try and avoid using an expletive as a response.

You're description of who I am is erroneous.  I'm not typical nor am I a "far left conspiracy theorist" in any way. As I've stated before, you don't know me.

If you don't like my admission, so be it. I don't like your characterization of me. I don't like how you convolute what I post in order to create your responses.    
Lol, guy gets angry over being called a "left-wing conspiracy theorist" after insulting another individual (Rush) by calling him a "right-wing conspiracy theorist". You are very typical that is for sure.

 I'm not Rush's biggest fan (he's alright) but "you don't know him". I can say I know more about you then you do about him. You don't respect people enough to actually listen to them without throwing around false accusations.

Your post classifies for "meltdown" status.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 24, 2018, 05:53:25 AM
Proceed with your offer.

Who are you to challenge me about something I never wrote or said?
You don't even realize what you post/respond to or just a huge cop-out.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on February 24, 2018, 07:45:57 AM
I am glad we are on the topic of CNN...
Emails released. Looks more like the kid was getting used by his dad. Doesn't look like CNN did anything wrong with this one. The question wasn't "scripted". They said he could use one of his own questions just not able to use all of them for time concerns. Dad almost appeared to try and become the kids "agent". Sent an email to Tucker that appears to have left out context/other lines. Bad look/move.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 24, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
Racist bastard!!! >:(
Yah think?  :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 24, 2018, 03:46:20 PM
Lol, guy gets angry over being called a "left-wing conspiracy theorist" after insulting another individual (Rush) by calling him a "right-wing conspiracy theorist". You are very typical that is for sure.

 I'm not Rush's biggest fan (he's alright) but "you don't know him". I can say I know more about you then you do about him. You don't respect people enough to actually listen to them without throwing around false accusations.

Your post classifies for "meltdown" status.

Carry on.  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 26, 2018, 02:57:28 AM
Sometimes the cover-up is crazier than the actual crime!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
‘A TOTAL F***-UP’: RUSSIAN MERCENARIES IN SYRIA LAMENT U.S. STRIKE THAT KILLED DOZENS
BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 2/23/18 AT 11:46 AM

(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2018/02/23/gettyimages-855556236.jpg)
A US military convoy drives on a Syrian highway on September 29, 2017
BULENT KILIC/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

Recordings have emerged in which Russian mercenaries subjected to a joint U.S. strike that killed dozens of their comrades describe the incident as “a total fuck-up.”

Polygraph.info, a Voice of America project, published three recordings, which it received from a source close to the Kremlin. The source said that the recorded phone calls were made by personnel from CHVK Wagner, a Russian private military company.

The incident in question occurred on the night and early morning of Feb. 7-8, when Syrian government forces—backed by Russian mercenaries employed by CHVK Wagner—attempted to capture an oil refinery near the Syrian city of Deir Ezzor. After Russian personnel came into contact with American troops stationed there, the U.S. forces responded with artillery and air strikes.

More: http://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073 (http://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073)

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:18:26 PM
Do you enjoy twisting my words? I did not say that she got death treats because she's irritating. She's irritating to me because IMO her voice is shrill and because she speaks over people. In one video I watched but did not post, Dana harasses a woman she wants to interview trying to get her to submit to the interview after the woman made it clear she was not interested.

Bruh.  Seriously? 

-No need to watch all of either clip. I did watch most of them myself because I wanted to get a better sense of how Dana Loesch comes off to people rather than to judge her solely on last night's performance. I find her irritating to listen to, not because of what she says so much as how she says it. After watching those videos and several others available on YouTube, I can see where she might need protection and why she might get death treats.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
You don't even realize what you post/respond to or just a huge cop-out.



He does that quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:20:05 PM
‘A TOTAL F***-UP’: RUSSIAN MERCENARIES IN SYRIA LAMENT U.S. STRIKE THAT KILLED DOZENS
BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 2/23/18 AT 11:46 AM

(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2018/02/23/gettyimages-855556236.jpg)
A US military convoy drives on a Syrian highway on September 29, 2017
BULENT KILIC/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

Recordings have emerged in which Russian mercenaries subjected to a joint U.S. strike that killed dozens of their comrades describe the incident as “a total fuck-up.”

Polygraph.info, a Voice of America project, published three recordings, which it received from a source close to the Kremlin. The source said that the recorded phone calls were made by personnel from CHVK Wagner, a Russian private military company.

The incident in question occurred on the night and early morning of Feb. 7-8, when Syrian government forces—backed by Russian mercenaries employed by CHVK Wagner—attempted to capture an oil refinery near the Syrian city of Deir Ezzor. After Russian personnel came into contact with American troops stationed there, the U.S. forces responded with artillery and air strikes.

More: http://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073 (http://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073)



Does this relate to the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory, or are you just celebrating bad news again? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 01:20:58 PM
Bruh.  Seriously? 


Yes seriously. I'm entitled to my opinion.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
Yes seriously. I'm entitled to my opinion.

Yes you are.  Your opinion is that after watching a few youtube clips and finding her irritating, you understand why she gets death threats. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
Does this relate to the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory, or are you just celebrating bad news again? 

No, it does not. It seemed interesting that Newsweek used that same photo months apart. "fake news"
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 01:28:32 PM
Yes you are.  Your opinion is that after watching a few youtube clips and finding her irritating, you understand why she gets death threats. 

Yup that's my opinion. If you took this to mean I think it's okay that she gets death treats, you're wrong. Death treats are never okay with me, no matter how obnoxious a person is.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
Yup that's my opinion. If you took this to mean I think it's okay that she gets death treats, you're wrong. Death treats are never okay with me, no matter how obnoxious a person is.

Whisky Tango Foxtrot.  Make up your mind already.  lol 

Do you enjoy twisting my words? I did not say that she got death treats because she's irritating. She's irritating to me because IMO her voice is shrill and because she speaks over people. In one video I watched but did not post, Dana harasses a woman she wants to interview trying to get her to submit to the interview after the woman made it clear she was not interested.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
Poor Bernie.  Screwed by Clinton and DNC.  Now being caught up in this loony conspiracy theory.

Bernie Sanders struggles to address Russian support after Mueller indictment
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman   | Fox News

Sen. Bernie Sanders has seemingly struggled to address recent allegations that Russia's campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election included a plan to boost his Democratic primary campaign.

For well over a year, it was alleged that Moscow's meddling mainly was meant to boost now-President Trump and harm then-Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

A bombshell Feb. 16 indictment filed against 13 Russian nationals in Robert Mueller's Russia probe bolstered those allegations, in stunning detail -- but also said the Russians sought to help Sanders.

Russian nationals, the indictment said, “engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

The details create an awkward situation for the Vermont senator, as he is seen to be positioning himself for a potential 2020 White House run.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team indicted 13 Russian nationals on Feb. 16, 2018 for interfering in the 2016 presidential election.  (Reuters)
Sanders, however, has yet to give a clear response on whether he and his campaign were aware of, or took action to address, the interference -- like Russian bot social media accounts allegedly supporting his campaign. Instead, Sanders, I-Vt., has tried to shift the scrutiny toward Clinton’s campaign for not doing more to prevent Russian meddling.

“The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” Sanders said in an interview last week with Vermont Public Radio. “They were supporting my campaign? No. They were attacking Hillary Clinton’s campaign and using my supporters against Hillary Clinton.”

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano on special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation and rumors Justice Anthony Kennedy may retire from the Supreme Court.Video
Trump blames Obama for Russia meddling

One episode in the indictment involved Russian nationals allegedly circulating in February 2016 an internal “outline of themes for future content to be posted to organization-controlled social media accounts.”

13 RUSSIAN NATIONALS INDICTED FOR INTERERING IN US ELECTIONS

“Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump –we support them),” the documents said.

Sanders claimed in the radio interview, and again on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” that a campaign aide shared information with the Clinton campaign about suspected anti-Clinton Russian trolls on a campaign Facebook page.

“A guy who was on my staff … checked it out and he went to the Clinton campaign, and he said, ‘You know what? I think these guys are Russians,’” Sanders said. His former campaign manager Jeff Weaver said the senator’s comments were based on news reports, specifically one by NBC’s San Diego affiliate that suggested a campaign volunteer brought the findings to the Clinton team.

Politico, however, reported that the 'staffer' Sanders was referring to, John Mattes from San Diego, was just a volunteer -- and did not receive any direction from Sanders or campaign staff, but rather communicated on his own with a Clinton-backing super PAC.

ARCHIVO - En esta imagen de archivo del 8 de noviembre de 2016, la entonces candidata demócrata a la presidencia Hillary Clinton saluda a su llegada para votar en su centro de votación en Chappaqua, Nueva York. (AP Foto/Seth Wenig, Archivo)
The Clinton campaign denied receiving information from the Sanders campaign on the issue of Russian influence.  (AP)
The Clinton campaign itself denied receiving information from Sanders' campaign on the issue, telling Politico that no one from Sanders’ campaign reached out.

Weaver later told Politico that Sanders did not have any firsthand knowledge that that happened.

A spokesperson for Sanders did not respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/bernie-sanders-struggles-to-address-russian-support-after-mueller-indictment.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 01:51:47 PM
Whisky Tango Foxtrot.  Make up your mind already.  lol 


Do you never wonder why some things happen?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
Do you never wonder why some things happen?

You said you watched youtube videos, found her irritating, and after watching the videos understand why gets death threats. 

When I pointed out what you said, you denied saying it. 

When I posted your own words, you agreed you said them. 

Maybe you don't realize you're contradicting yourself?

In any event, I know why she is getting death threats.  It's the same reason conservatives get threatened, beaten, censored, etc.:  because many liberals cannot tolerate someone who thinks differently than they do.   

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 02:52:17 PM
You said you watched youtube videos, found her irritating, and after watching the videos understand why gets death threats. 

When I pointed out what you said, you denied saying it. 

When I posted your own words, you agreed you said them. 

Maybe you don't realize you're contradicting yourself?

In any event, I know why she is getting death threats.  It's the same reason conservatives get threatened, beaten, censored, etc.:  because many liberals cannot tolerate someone who thinks differently than they do.   



I do not recall denying what I said. If you could find where I posted this for me, that would be great.

Political Violence and Prejudice

"In the real world, since the end of the Vietnam era, the overwhelming majority of serious political violence—not counting vandalism or punches thrown at protests, but violence with lethal intent—has come from the fringes of the right. Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project says that “if you go back to the 1960s, you see all kinds of left-wing terrorism, but since then it’s been exceedingly rare.” She notes that eco- and animal-rights extremists caused extensive property damage in the 1990s, but didn’t target people."

....findings confirm that conservatives, liberals, the religious and the nonreligious are each prejudiced against those with opposing views. But surprisingly, each group is about equally prejudiced. While liberals might like to think of themselves as more open-minded, they are no more tolerant of people unlike them than their conservative counterparts are.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/09/why-liberals-arent-as-tolerant-as-they-think-215114 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/09/why-liberals-arent-as-tolerant-as-they-think-215114)

"FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
I do not recall denying what I said. If you could find where I posted this for me, that would be great.

Political Violence and Prejudice

"In the real world, since the end of the Vietnam era, the overwhelming majority of serious political violence—not counting vandalism or punches thrown at protests, but violence with lethal intent—has come from the fringes of the right. Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project says that “if you go back to the 1960s, you see all kinds of left-wing terrorism, but since then it’s been exceedingly rare.” She notes that eco- and animal-rights extremists caused extensive property damage in the 1990s, but didn’t target people."

....findings confirm that conservatives, liberals, the religious and the nonreligious are each prejudiced against those with opposing views. But surprisingly, each group is about equally prejudiced. While liberals might like to think of themselves as more open-minded, they are no more tolerant of people unlike them than their conservative counterparts are.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/09/why-liberals-arent-as-tolerant-as-they-think-215114 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/09/why-liberals-arent-as-tolerant-as-they-think-215114)

"FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising)


Right here:

Do you enjoy twisting my words? I did not say that she got death treats because she's irritating. She's irritating to me because IMO her voice is shrill and because she speaks over people. In one video I watched but did not post, Dana harasses a woman she wants to interview trying to get her to submit to the interview after the woman made it clear she was not interested.

Regarding violent liberal fascists, you'll need to come with a much better source than the Southern Poverty Law Center, the same people who identify organizations like the Family Research Council and others that support traditional marriage as hate groups.  The same people who put Dr. Ben Carson on their list. 

If you haven't seen the violence on the left you haven't been paying attention.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 26, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
Haven't seen the violence on the left? Apparently you don't know that I live in a suburb of Portland, OR. Think Antifa.
http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603 (http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603)

I personally witnessed a "parade" in Lake Oswego where the left were on one side of the street and the right on the other. Both side were protesting vigorously. Most disconcerting to me was the number of folks who brought their young children.http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html)

There are many sources which discuss liberal vrs conservative violence statistics. Liberals (so called hippies) were known for anti-establishment often times violent demonstrations. Times change. "Hundreds of white nationalists took to the streets over the weekend to protest the removal of a Gen. Robert E. Lee statue. But members of a controversial opposing group, known as Antifa, also showed up to condemn hate and racism."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 04:20:50 PM
Haven't seen the violence on the left? Apparently you don't know that I live in a suburb of Portland, OR. Think Antifa.
http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603 (http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603)

I personally witnessed a "parade" in Lake Oswego where the left were on one side of the street and the right on the other. Both side were protesting vigorously. Most disconcerting to me was the number of folks who brought their young children.http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html)

There are many sources which discuss liberal vrs conservative violence statistics. Liberals (so called hippies) were known for anti-establishment often times violent demonstrations. Times change. "Hundreds of white nationalists took to the streets over the weekend to protest the removal of a Gen. Robert E. Lee statue. But members of a controversial opposing group, known as Antifa, also showed up to condemn hate and racism."

Ok.  I take that back if you've seen Antifa in action. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 04:33:15 PM
The Democrat memo:

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/26/584585889/fact-check-read-the-democratic-memo-from-the-house-intel-committee
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
Haven't seen the violence on the left? Apparently you don't know that I live in a suburb of Portland, OR. Think Antifa.
http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603 (http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/antifa-demonstrators-rally-march-in-downtown-portland/283-488957603)

I personally witnessed a "parade" in Lake Oswego where the left were on one side of the street and the right on the other. Both side were protesting vigorously. Most disconcerting to me was the number of folks who brought their young children.http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/03/march_4_trump_lake_oswego.html)

There are many sources which discuss liberal vrs conservative violence statistics. Liberals (so called hippies) were known for anti-establishment often times violent demonstrations. Times change. "Hundreds of white nationalists took to the streets over the weekend to protest the removal of a Gen. Robert E. Lee statue. But members of a controversial opposing group, known as Antifa, also showed up to condemn hate and racism."

And this is the kind of thing I was talking about regarding fascist liberals trying to shut down free speech:

Ann Coulter vows to speak at Berkeley after event called off
Published April 20, 2017
FoxNews.com

Ann Coulter told Fox News the decision to nix her planned speaking event next week at the University of California, Berkeley, wouldn’t keep her from showing up.

"What are they going to do? Arrest me?" she asked Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night. "No, I am definitely giving the speech."

PENN MOVING TO INCREASE MONITORING OF UNDERGROUND FRATS

Earlier in the day, the conservative commentator tweeted, "I WILL BE SPEAKING NEXT THURSDAY," calling the move to cancel her planned event on April 27 a ban on free speech. Campus Republicans had invited Coulter to speak at Berkeley on the subject of illegal immigration.

The cancellation marked the latest skirmish in a free-speech fight involving conservative voices on college campuses across the country, including at Berkeley. In February, masked rioters at the school smashed windows, set fires and shut down an appearance by former Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos. Last week, the Berkeley College Republicans said threats of violence forced them to cancel a speech by writer David Horowitz. Writer Charles Murray's appearance at Middlebury saw riots last month, and Heather Mac Donald's speech at Claremont McKenna College was streamed online earlier this month after protesters blocked the door to the venue.

. . . .


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/20/ann-coulter-vows-to-speak-at-berkeley-after-event-called-off.html

A lot of other examples in this thread:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=625779.0
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 28, 2018, 07:07:29 PM
The Democrat memo:

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/26/584585889/fact-check-read-the-democratic-memo-from-the-house-intel-committee

Republicans Refute ‘Point by Point’ Democratic Memo on Dossier
Nunes: the FBI used political dirt paid for by the Democratic Party to spy on an American
Sara Carter    February 25, 2018
https://saraacarter.com/republicans-refute-point-point-democratic-memo-dossier/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on March 02, 2018, 05:24:46 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 02, 2018, 02:14:15 PM
The Whitehouse

(https://www.groovypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/titanic-netflix-going-down.png)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2018, 03:06:29 PM
The Whitehouse

(https://www.groovypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/titanic-netflix-going-down.png)

lol.  You folks keep trying to speak bad things into existence.  It isn't working. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on March 02, 2018, 04:37:40 PM
lol.  You folks keep trying to speak bad things into existence.  It isn't working. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 02, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
lol.  You folks keep trying to speak bad things into existence.  It isn't working. 

What doesn't exist? That a record-setting number of Trump staffers jumped ship in just the first year and more either gone or going this year?

Jumped or were pushed:
Steve Bannon
Reince Priebus
Omarosa
Hope Hicks
Sean Spicer
Katie Walsh
Michael Flinn
Mike Dubke
Sebastian Gorka
K. T. McFarland
Rob Porter
Dina Powell
Keith Shiller
Ezra Cohen-Watnic
Tera Dahl
Derick Harvey
Rich Higgens
Josh Raffel
Michael Short
Anthony Scaramucci

Up next:
John Kelly
Ivanka Trump
Jared Kushner
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: George Whorewell on March 02, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
What doesn't exist? That a record-setting number of Trump staffers jumped ship in just the first year and more either gone or going this year?

Jumped or were pushed:
Steve Bannon
Reince Priebus
Omarosa
Hope Hicks
Sean Spicer
Katie Walsh
Michael Flinn
Mike Dubke
Sebastian Gorka
K. T. McFarland
Rob Porter
Dina Powell
Keith Shiller
Ezra Cohen-Watnic
Tera Dahl
Derick Harvey
Rich Higgens
Josh Raffel
Michael Short
Anthony Scaramucci

Up next:
John Kelly
Ivanka Trump
Jared Kushner

Number of people who care about this bullshit thread [ 0 ]
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
What doesn't exist? That a record-setting number of Trump staffers jumped ship in just the first year and more either gone or going this year?

Jumped or were pushed:
Steve Bannon
Reince Priebus
Omarosa
Hope Hicks
Sean Spicer
Katie Walsh
Michael Flinn
Mike Dubke
Sebastian Gorka
K. T. McFarland
Rob Porter
Dina Powell
Keith Shiller
Ezra Cohen-Watnic
Tera Dahl
Derick Harvey
Rich Higgens
Josh Raffel
Michael Short
Anthony Scaramucci

Up next:
John Kelly
Ivanka Trump
Jared Kushner

Who cares?   Hasn't stopped from getting things done. 

And doesn't stop the media and people suffering from TDS from perpetual meltdowns. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 02, 2018, 09:35:41 PM
Who cares?   Hasn't stopped from getting things done. 

And doesn't stop the media and people suffering from TDS from perpetual meltdowns. 

and you say liberalism is a desease?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2018, 09:37:10 PM
and you say liberalism is a desease?

Absolutely.  First thing it does is interfere with a liberal's ability to spell.   ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 05, 2018, 07:35:20 AM
Trump, Bernie, and Clinton, and now the UAE conspired with Russia to help Trump win the election so he could become a Russian puppet?  This conspiracy theory is sooooo complicated.  lol

Mueller team looking into possible United Arab Emirates money into Trump campaign: report

Joseph Weber By Joseph Weber   | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/04/mueller-team-looking-into-possible-united-arab-emirates-money-into-trump-campaign-report.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 05, 2018, 07:37:53 AM
Trump, Bernie, and Clinton, and now the UAE conspired with Russia to help Trump win the election so he could become a Russian puppet?  This conspiracy theory is sooooo complicated.  lol

Mueller team looking into possible United Arab Emirates money into Trump campaign: report

Joseph Weber By Joseph Weber   | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/04/mueller-team-looking-into-possible-united-arab-emirates-money-into-trump-campaign-report.html

Trump is right - what a mistake appointing a SP - complete sham. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 05, 2018, 07:42:14 AM
Trump is right - what a mistake appointing a SP - complete sham. 

Yep.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 05, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
The stakes ... Ramifications of failing to comply with or failure to respond to a grand jury subpoena can have serious consequences, even jail time. ... If you are inclined to refuse to comply with a grand jury subpoena, it must be argued in court as to why you do not have to comply.

Former Trump aide, Sam Nunberg says he's refusing Mueller subpoena: 'Screw that' "I'm not cooperating. Arrest me," Nunberg said. "You want to arrest me? Arrest me."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 05, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
The stakes ... Ramifications of failing to comply with or failure to respond to a grand jury subpoena can have serious consequences, even jail time. ... If you are inclined to refuse to comply with a grand jury subpoena, it must be argued in court as to why you do not have to comply.

Former Trump aide, Sam Nunberg says he's refusing Mueller subpoena: 'Screw that' "I'm not cooperating. Arrest me," Nunberg said. "You want to arrest me? Arrest me."

He sounded a little drunk today on the phone with Jake
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 12, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
Now let's move along to how they haven't hired enough butler and maid positions  ::) ::)

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Robert+Mueller+Special+Prosecutor+Robert+Mueller+H1IdvpNXP-9l.jpg)


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans on the House intelligence committee have completed a draft report concluding there was no collusion or coordination between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russia.

The finding is sure to please the White House and enrage panel Democrats who have not yet seen the document.

After a yearlong investigation, Texas Rep. Mike Conaway says the committee has finished conducting dozens of witness interviews and will share the report with Democrats on Tuesday. Conaway is the Republican leading the House probe.

The public will not see the report until Democrats have reviewed it and the intelligence community has decided what information can become public, a process that could take weeks. Democrats are expected to issue a separate report with much different conclusions.



https://apnews.com/dc7c4ec1be104801aefd46313fadb01b/Draft-GOP-report:-No-coordination-between-Trump-and-Russia
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 15, 2018, 10:08:31 AM
All part of the plan Trump and Putin concocted back in 2014 (along with Bernie, Clinton, and the UAE). 

Trump administration sanctions Russians for interfering in 2016 elections
Alex Pappas By Alex Pappas   | Fox News

The Trump administration on Thursday sanctioned 19 Russian individuals and five Russian entities for allegedly interfering in the 2016 election and engaging in cyber-attacks.

The announcement was made by the Department of the Treasury and includes the 13 Russians who were recently indicted in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

“These targeted sanctions are a part of a broader effort to address the ongoing nefarious attacks emanating from Russia,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement.

The sanctions mean all property of these individuals and entities subject to U.S. jurisdiction are blocked. United States people are also prohibited from engaging in transactions with them. 

13 RUSSIAN NATIONALS INDICTED FOR INTERFERING IN US ELECTIONS

The Treasury Department said the sanctions are meant to counter Russia’s destabilizing activities, including its interference in the 2016 election and its destructive cyber-attacks. The department cited the NotPetya attack, a cyber-attack the White House and the British government have attributed to the Russian military.

Last month, 13 Russians and three Russian companies were indicted in Mueller’s probe, accused of a sophisticated plot to wage “information warfare” against the U.S.

The 13 Russians charged are: Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin; Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov; Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik; Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova; Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva; Sergey Pavlovich Polozov; Maria Anatolyrvna Bovda; Robert Sergetevich Bovda; Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly; Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev; Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko; Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina and Vladimir Venkov.

IN JOINT STATEMENT, WORLD LEADERS AGREE RUSSIA BEHIND NERVE AGENT ATTACK ON FORMER SPY

The three entities are Internet Research Agency LLC, Concord Management and Consulting LLC and Concord Catering.

Hillary Clinton accuses President Trump of ignoring and 'surrendering' to the threat of Russia. But what about President Obama? #TuckerVideo
Hillary believes the 'Russians are still coming'
The sanctions also target two entities and six individuals accused of being cyber actors operating on behalf of the Russian government.

Those entities are the Federal Security Service and the Main Intelligence Directorate. The individuals are Sergei Afanasyev, Vladimir Alexseyev, Sergey Gizunov, Igor Korobov, Igor Kostyukov and Grigoriy Molchanov.

The sanctions come as leaders of the United States, Germany and France have joined together with the United Kingdom in accusing Russia of being behind the nerve agent attack on an ex-Russian spy.

In a joint statement Thursday, President Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister Theresa May said they "abhor" the attack against Sergei Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury on March 4. A police officer who came to the pair's aid was also sickened.

"This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War," the statement said.

The Trump administration also accused Russia on Thursday of a concerted, ongoing operation to hack and spy on the U.S. energy grid and other critical infrastructure.

U.S. national security officials said the FBI, the Homeland Security Department and American intelligence agencies determined that Russian intelligence and others were behind the attacks on the energy sector.

The officials said the Russians deliberately chose U.S. energy industry targets, obtaining access to computer systems and then conducting "network reconnaissance" of industrial control systems that run American factories and the electricity grid.

The U.S. government has helped energy businesses kick out the Russians from all systems currently known to have been penetrated, according to the officials.

The officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security information, left open the possibility of discovering more breaches, and said the federal government was issuing an alert to the energy industry to raise awareness about the threat and improve preparation.

The accusations and accompanying sanctions are some of the strongest actions to date by the administration to punish Russia for hacking and other efforts to sow discord in the American democracy.

Fox News’ Lucia I. Suarez Sang and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/15/trump-administration-sanctions-russians-for-interfering-in-2016-elections.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2018, 03:16:03 PM
And the beat goes on.  What a stain on American history this asinine conspiracy theory will be. 

Trump hires Russia probe critic Joseph diGenova to his legal team
The addition comes as Trump has started swinging more aggressively against Mueller and his team of prosecutors.
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
03/19/2018
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/trump-hires-joseph-digenova-470730
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 19, 2018, 05:17:46 PM
And the beat goes on.  What a stain on American history this asinine conspiracy theory will be. 

Trump hires Russia probe critic Joseph diGenova to his legal team
The addition comes as Trump has started swinging more aggressively against Mueller and his team of prosecutors.
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
03/19/2018
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/trump-hires-joseph-digenova-470730

Wonder where this leaves possible obstruction of justice accusations. Seems possible that the more trump messes with conspiracy theory players/investigators such a Comey and Mueller, the more likely he'll be charged with obstruction of justice at some point. Trump's not an emperor or a king like those of times past when they'd have anyone who threatened their position was murdered.

Some recent examples of obstruction of justice charges brought against the then sitting president ;

Bill Clinton was impeached by the United States House of Representatives in 1998 for obstruction of justice charges based on allegations Clinton lied about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky in a sworn deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Richard Nixon was being investigated for obstruction of justice for his alleged role in the cover-up of the break-in at the Watergate hotel during his re-election campaign in 1972. Although it is unknown whether Nixon had foreknowledge of his re-election committee's "dirty tricks" campaign against Democratic presidential candidates that led to the break-in, he was aware of it after the fact and paid money to keep the participants quiet.

And former Vice-Presidential adviser I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice in March 2007 for his role in the investigation of a leak to reporters that named a CIA agent, Valerie Plame. His prison sentence was commuted by President George W. Bush in July 2007, so that Libby was no longer required to serve a two-and-a-half-year prison sentence, but was still required to pay a $250,000 fine, be recorded as a convicted felon, obey probation terms, and be disbarred.
 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
Wonder where this leaves possible obstruction of justice accusations. Seems possible that the more trump messes with conspiracy theory players/investigators such a Comey and Mueller, the more likely he'll be charged with obstruction of justice at some point. Trump's not an emperor or a king like those of times past when they'd have anyone who threatened their position was murdered.

Some recent examples of obstruction of justice charges brought against the then sitting president ;

Bill Clinton was impeached by the United States House of Representatives in 1998 for obstruction of justice charges based on allegations Clinton lied about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky in a sworn deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Richard Nixon was being investigated for obstruction of justice for his alleged role in the cover-up of the break-in at the Watergate hotel during his re-election campaign in 1972. Although it is unknown whether Nixon had foreknowledge of his re-election committee's "dirty tricks" campaign against Democratic presidential candidates that led to the break-in, he was aware of it after the fact and paid money to keep the participants quiet.

And former Vice-Presidential adviser I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice in March 2007 for his role in the investigation of a leak to reporters that named a CIA agent, Valerie Plame. His prison sentence was commuted by President George W. Bush in July 2007, so that Libby was no longer required to serve a two-and-a-half-year prison sentence, but was still required to pay a $250,000 fine, be recorded as a convicted felon, obey probation terms, and be disbarred.
 

There is zero evidence of obstruction of justice.  Trump isn't going to be charged with obstruction for doing what he was constitutionally authorized to do (fire Comey).  Firing Comey did nothing to impede looking into this ridiculous conspiracy theory.  No funding was pulled.  No investigation stopped.  This is major league foolishness.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 19, 2018, 06:03:19 PM
There is zero evidence of obstruction of justice.  Trump isn't going to be charged with obstruction for doing what he was constitutionally authorized to do (fire Comey).  Firing Comey did nothing to impede looking into this ridiculous conspiracy theory.  No funding was pulled.  No investigation stopped.  This is major league foolishness.   

As far as we know, there isn't.

Thursday’s explosive New York Times story that President Donald Trump ordered the firing of special counsel Robert Mueller last June renewed the public’s focus on the obstruction of justice investigation against Trump, which will soon culminate in Trump’s interview by Mueller. The case against Trump has grown stronger in recent months, and it now appears likely that Mueller will conclude that Trump obstructed justice. By RENATO MARIOTTI January 26, 2018

Trump-Russia links: Robert Mueller aims to question US President over potential obstruction of justice. Andrew Buncombe New York

19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice. By Margaret Hartmann

Many legal scholars still disagree with that interpretation, arguing that the president’s role as a law-enforcement officer does not give him the right to shield himself and his associates from any legal accountability. In a 108-page analysis of the potential obstruction case against Trump, the Brookings Institution summarized the types of actions that could amount to presidential obstruction of justice: To read the summarization: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/article/times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/article/times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html)
 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
As far as we know, there isn't.

Thursday’s explosive New York Times story that President Donald Trump ordered the firing of special counsel Robert Mueller last June renewed the public’s focus on the obstruction of justice investigation against Trump, which will soon culminate in Trump’s interview by Mueller. The case against Trump has grown stronger in recent months, and it now appears likely that Mueller will conclude that Trump obstructed justice. By RENATO MARIOTTI January 26, 2018

Trump-Russia links: Robert Mueller aims to question US President over potential obstruction of justice. Andrew Buncombe New York

19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice. By Margaret Hartmann

Many legal scholars still disagree with that interpretation, arguing that the president’s role as a law-enforcement officer does not give him the right to shield himself and his associates from any legal accountability. In a 108-page analysis of the potential obstruction case against Trump, the Brookings Institution summarized the types of actions that could amount to presidential obstruction of justice: To read the summarization: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/article/times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/article/times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html)
 

Zero evidence. 

This reminds me of the psychiatrist from Yale who did the TV diagnosis of Trump.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 19, 2018, 06:20:01 PM
Lets play the game then, what is the underlying crime for the obstruction ??........................ ...............silence
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 19, 2018, 06:21:35 PM
Zero evidence. 

This reminds me of the psychiatrist from Yale who did the TV diagnosis of Trump.   

Not to question whether there is evidence of conspiracy or not, but how do you know there is zero evidence of it. I'm not sure how it is possible to either know this or know otherwise, unless you are a member of Mueller's team. In this case, I think we should agree that the media doesn't know much, if any, more about the investigation than you and I do.

If you wish for something hard enough, can you make it happen? In retrospect you might believe you did, but I question if that is actually possible.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2018, 06:34:21 PM
Not to question whether there is evidence of conspiracy or not, but how do you know there is zero evidence of it. I'm not sure how it is possible to either know this or know otherwise, unless you are a member of Mueller's team. In this case, I think we should agree that the media doesn't know much, if any, more about the investigation than you and I do.

If you wish for something hard enough, can you make it happen? In retrospect you might believe you did, but I question if that is actually possible.

I know because this entire thing is as plausible as the faked moon landing or the U.S. government conspiring with foreign terrorists to attack us on 9/11.  I know because if there was a shred of evidence, it would have been leaked.  I'm not sure anything of substance has happened in this investigation without it first being leaked.  I know this because James Comey himself said he didn't believe Trump was trying to interfere with his investigation.   

There is nothing there, and you know it.  That's why you cannot identify precisely how he obstructed justice.  It's a stupid theory. 

But you know what?  It would not surprise me if there is some kind of political (not criminal) claim that comes out of the investigation
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
Lets play the game then, what is the underlying crime for the obstruction ??........................ ...............silence

Good question. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 20, 2018, 09:07:59 AM
Lets play the game then, what is the underlying crime for the obstruction ??........................ ...............silence

depends on what the definition of obstruction is. If I fire the lead investigator that is investigating me for possible collusion, did I obstruct the investigation? If I tell someone to say a particular thing if ask, is that obstruction? It certainly could be argued that I did. I'm no lawyer and I'm sure making a case for obstruction or collusion for that matter is probably pretty complicated and has legal nuances I'm unaware of. I don't get this almost panicking call from Trumpsters to end the investigation. If there is no collusion and there is no obstruction to worry about, why not let the investigation run its course? If for sake of argument the Republicans in Congress somehow shut down the investigation now, do you not think this would hang over their heads and Trumps heads? Why not let it run it's course and then you can say you told them so.. and if you even dare to say it's about the money spent... just cancel a few golf trips, that should more than cover the cost. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on March 20, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
 :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 20, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
depends on what the definition of obstruction is. If I fire the lead investigator that is investigating me for possible collusion, did I obstruct the investigation? If I tell someone to say a particular thing if ask, is that obstruction? It certainly could be argued that I did. I'm no lawyer and I'm sure making a case for obstruction or collusion for that matter is probably pretty complicated and has legal nuances I'm unaware of. I don't get this almost panicking call from Trumpsters to end the investigation. If there is no collusion and there is no obstruction to worry about, why not let the investigation run its course? If for sake of argument the Republicans in Congress somehow shut down the investigation now, do you not think this would hang over their heads and Trumps heads? Why not let it run it's course and then you can say you told them so.. and if you even dare to say it's about the money spent... just cancel a few golf trips, that should more than cover the cost. 

There is no crime called "collusion", the investigation is based on lies and crimes committed by those who triggered the investigation.

If you were to be investigated for being a pedophile based on lies - would you feel the same and want the investigation to continue for 2 years?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 20, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
There is no crime called "collusion", the investigation is based on lies and crimes committed by those who triggered the investigation.

If you were to be investigated for being a pedophile based on lies - would you feel the same and want the investigation to continue for 2 years?

I would want it to be completed because I would want there to be no doubt in anyones mind, not just my followers that I am innocent. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 21, 2018, 09:23:54 PM
Spot on.

Trump is right: The special counsel should never have been appointed
BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 03/21/18

President Trump is right in saying that a special counsel should never have been appointed to investigate the so-called Russian connection. There was no evidence of any crime committed by the Trump administration. But there was plenty of evidence that Russian operatives had tried to interfere with the 2016 presidential election, and perhaps other elections, in the hope of destabilizing democracy. Yet, appointing a special counsel to look for crimes, behind the closed doors of a grand jury, was precisely the wrong way to address this ongoing challenge to our democracy.

The right way would have been (and still is) to appoint a nonpartisan investigative commission, such as the one appointed following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, to conduct a broad and open investigation of the Russian involvement in our elections. This is what other democracies, such as Great Britain and Israel, do in response to systemic problems. The virtue of such a commission is precisely the nonpartisan credibility of its objective experts, who have no political stake in the outcome.

Such a commission could have informed the American public of what Russia did and how to prevent it from doing it again. It would not seek partisan benefit from its findings, the way congressional committees invariably do. Nor would it be searching for crimes in an effort to criminalize political sins, the way special counsels do to justify their existence and budget. Its only job would be to gather information and make recommendations.

The vice of a special counsel is that he is supposed to find crimes, and if he comes up empty-handed, after spending lots of taxpayer money, then he is deemed a failure. If he can’t charge the designated target — in this case, the president — he must at least charge some of those close to the target, even if it is for crimes unrelated to the special counsel’s core mandate. By indicting these low-hanging fruits, he shows that he is trying. Maybe those lesser defendants will flip and sing against higher-ups, but the problem is that the pressure to sing may cause certain defendants to “compose,” meaning make up or enhance evidence in order to get a better deal for themselves.

In this case, the appointment of a special counsel has done more harm than good. It has politicized our justice system beyond repair. The FBI deputy director has been fired for leaking and lying. His testimony appears to be in conflict with that of the former FBI director as to whether the leaks were authorized. Messages by high-ranking FBI agents suggest strong bias against Trump. A tweet by the former CIA director reveals equally strong negative views of the president. Perhaps these revelations prove nothing more than that law enforcement and national security officials are human and hold political views like everyone else.

But these views are not supposed to influence their decisions. In our age of hyperpartisanship, the public has understandably lost confidence in the ability and willingness of our leaders to separate their political views from their law enforcement decisions. This is not all attributable to the appointment of the special counsel, but the criminalization of political differences on both sides of the aisle has certainly contributed to the atmosphere of distrust in our justice system.

The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They don’t trust congressional investigative committees. They don’t know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. It’s a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russia’s attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016.

It’s not too late to try to repair some of the damage done. Let Congress now appoint a nonpartisan commission to conduct a transparent investigation of Russia’s efforts to influence our elections. Let the special counsel suspend his investigation until the nonpartisan commission issues its report. If the report identifies crimes and criminals, there will be time enough to indict and prosecute. Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we aren’t getting it from the special counsel.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/379372-trump-is-right-the-special-counsel-should-never-have-been-appointed
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 26, 2018, 06:55:52 AM
Pretty complicated conspiracy theory.

Trump Expels 60 Russians, Closes Russian Consulate In Seattle After UK Chemical Attack
POLITICS 03/26/2018

The order reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday ordered the expulsion of 60 Russians from the United States and closed the Russian consulate in Seattle over a nerve agent attack earlier this month in Britain, senior U.S. officials said.

The order includes 12 Russian intelligence officers from Russia’s mission to the United Nations headquarters in New York and reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive, senior U.S. administration officials told reporters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-expels-60-russians-after-uk-chemical-attack_us_5ab8efbfe4b054d118e4f35c
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 26, 2018, 07:09:38 AM
Pretty complicated conspiracy theory.

Trump Expels 60 Russians, Closes Russian Consulate In Seattle After UK Chemical Attack
POLITICS 03/26/2018

The order reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday ordered the expulsion of 60 Russians from the United States and closed the Russian consulate in Seattle over a nerve agent attack earlier this month in Britain, senior U.S. officials said.

The order includes 12 Russian intelligence officers from Russia’s mission to the United Nations headquarters in New York and reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive, senior U.S. administration officials told reporters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-expels-60-russians-after-uk-chemical-attack_us_5ab8efbfe4b054d118e4f35c


Yes this is just a distraction by the dark lord and real POTUS Putin...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 26, 2018, 11:31:42 AM

Yes this is just a distraction by the dark lord and real POTUS Putin...

Everyone embracing this nutty theory needs to be fitted for a tinfoil hat. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 30, 2018, 01:11:33 PM
All part of the plan.

'Satan 2' nuclear missile again test-launched by Russia, as Putin brags of 'invulnerable' arsenal
By Greg Norman   | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/30/satan-2-nuclear-missile-again-test-launched-by-russia-as-putin-brags-invulnerable-arsenal.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
Long but informative read. 

The Real Collusion Story
By MICHAEL DORAN
March 13, 2018
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
More leaks from Mueller's team. 

Mueller Probe Into U.A.E. Influence Broadens
April 2, 2018

WASHINGTON—Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked questions about the work of a private consulting firm that has undertaken projects for the United Arab Emirates, according to people familiar with the investigation, suggesting his probe is looking more deeply at foreign influence in Washington.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probe-into-u-a-e-influence-broadens-1522718922
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 03, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
More leaks from Mueller's team. 

Mueller Probe Into U.A.E. Influence Broadens
April 2, 2018

WASHINGTON—Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked questions about the work of a private consulting firm that has undertaken projects for the United Arab Emirates, according to people familiar with the investigation, suggesting his probe is looking more deeply at foreign influence in Washington.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probe-into-u-a-e-influence-broadens-1522718922


There are leaks and then there are leaks. A LEAK would be within 30 minutes of Trump getting a note from his NSA "DONT CONGRATULATE PUTIN ON WINNING THE ELECTION" that the news has it. A leak would be people who are being questioned about an incident talking about it after the fact.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 03, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
Long but informative read. 

The Real Collusion Story
By MICHAEL DORAN
March 13, 2018
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

The National Review: RIGHT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 03, 2018, 04:33:27 PM
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/03/alex-van-der-zwaan-jail-sentence-mueller-trump-russia-investigation   (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/03/alex-van-der-zwaan-jail-sentence-mueller-trump-russia-investigation)

House of cards.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 04:36:36 PM

There are leaks and then there are leaks. A LEAK would be within 30 minutes of Trump getting a note from his NSA "DONT CONGRATULATE PUTIN ON WINNING THE ELECTION" that the news has it. A leak would be people who are being questioned about an incident talking about it after the fact.

Leaks include the fact we know pretty much everything Mueller is doing, because his team keeps talking to select members of the media.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 04:37:31 PM
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/03/alex-van-der-zwaan-jail-sentence-mueller-trump-russia-investigation   (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/03/alex-van-der-zwaan-jail-sentence-mueller-trump-russia-investigation)

"The criminal case against Van der Zwaan is not directly related to Russian election interference."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 04:38:53 PM
The National Review: RIGHT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com)

What the heck is "mediabiasfactcheck"??  Is there something in the story you'd like to dispute?  Like the fact Clinton told her subordinates to strip classified markings off a document and email it to her? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 03, 2018, 06:53:23 PM
Leaks include the fact we know pretty much everything Mueller is doing, because his team keeps talking to select members of the media.

I would disagree and say we know only what people who were being questioned chose to release. Can't control that..
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
I would disagree and say we know only what people who were being questioned chose to release. Can't control that..

You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 03, 2018, 07:13:44 PM
There is no crime called "collusion", the investigation is based on lies and crimes committed by those who triggered the investigation.

If you were to be investigated for being a pedophile based on lies - would you feel the same and want the investigation to continue for 2 years?

This is exactly right.

You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

This is also exactly right.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 03, 2018, 07:25:34 PM
You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

Now you are guilty of what you accuse me of. People familiar with the investigation could be and is likely those who were questioned. "Those who are working the case" would be mueller. I understand you want it to be Mueller.. but the facts don't back you up
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 03, 2018, 07:26:32 PM
This is exactly right.

This is also exactly right.

No, it isn't exactly right, but I'm sure he appreciates your undying and unswerving support
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on April 03, 2018, 07:27:11 PM
Well...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 07:43:12 PM
Now you are guilty of what you accuse me of. People familiar with the investigation could be and is likely those who were questioned. "Those who are working the case" would be mueller. I understand you want it to be Mueller.. but the facts don't back you up

Yes, someone from the United Arab Emirates, rather than someone working for Mueller, is familiar with the investigation and talked to the press.  Makes perfect sense. 

You people twist yourself in knots to embrace things that fit your phony narrative. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
Well...

I'm actually surprised.  Not because Trump broke the law (he didn't), but because I thought Mueller would try and accuse him of something. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 03, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Yes, someone from the United Arab Emirates, rather than someone working for Mueller, is familiar with the investigation and talked to the press.  Makes perfect sense. 

You people twist yourself in knots to embrace things that fit your phony narrative. 

I will defer to your expertise in conducting investigations. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 08:37:34 PM
I will defer to your expertise in conducting investigations.  

You don't have to be an expert in conducting investigations.  You just need to know how to read.  And not be an ideologue.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2018, 08:39:27 PM
This headline is pretty funny.  Bunch of delusional leftwing nuts.

Mueller Reportedly Is Making A List Of All The Stuff Trump Has Done In Office
The special counsel has also told the president’s lawyers that Trump is not a criminal target at this point.
By Nick Visser
04/03/2018

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-trump-report_us_5ac42c87e4b063ce2e56fd13
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 04, 2018, 11:41:13 AM
When will the media accept that Trump is not a criminal target?
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/04/18
TheHill.com

In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through “stages” that begin with denial. These so-called Kübler-Ross stages can be a long road toward acceptance. A weird form of Kübler-Ross seems to have taken hold of the media. Rather than refusing to accept indicators of impending death, many journalists and analysts seem incapable of accepting signs that the Trump presidency could survive.

That painful process was more evident Tuesday night when the Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert Mueller told the White House last month that Trump was not considered a “target” but only a “subject” of the investigation. After a year of being assured that “bombshell” developments and “smoking gun” evidence was sealing the criminal case against Trump, the dissonance was too great for many who refuse to accept the obvious meaning of this disclosure.

The U.S. Attorney’s manual defines a “subject” as a “person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation.” It is a designation that can change but it is also a meaningful description of the current status of an individual. Mueller at this time apparently does not believe Trump meets the definition of a target or a “person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant.” That would have been less notable when Mueller was appointed in 2017 than it is now, after more than a year, dozens of criminal counts, hundreds of thousands of documents, and a bevy of cooperating witnesses.

That Mueller does not believe there is “substantial evidence linking [Trump] to the commission of a crime” would seem to merit some, albeit grudging, recognition. However, there has been a disturbing lack of objectivity in the coverage of this investigation from the start. Throughout it, some of us have cautioned that the criminal case against Trump was far weaker than media suggested. Fired FBI Director James Comey himself told Congress that Trump was not a target of his investigation. Indeed, Trump was reportedly upset with Comey largely because Comey would not say that publicly.

When Trump fired Comey, I supported the call for a special counsel, and I still support Mueller in completing his investigation. However, the case of criminal conduct by Trump has not materially improved over the last year. Last October, Mueller brought the first indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Richard Gates. Notably, none of the indictments were linked to the campaign, let alone Trump. When that obvious point was raised, we were told that it meant nothing and Mueller was likely holding back the really damaging indictments while pressuring Trump aides. Commentators continue to announce “bombshell” disclosures against Trump on a daily basis, with experts alleging clear cases for treason to obstruction to witness tampering and other crimes.

Then, in November, came the disclosure of plea agreements with former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. However, these pleas were for making individual false statements to federal investigators. Neither the charges nor the narratives in the filings tied Trump or his campaign to any criminal act. Later indictments involving lawyer Alex van der Zwaan and internet operator Richard Pinedo involved a false statement and a single count of identity fraud, again unrelated to Trump or his campaign. Nevertheless, commentators insisted Mueller was just laying the groundwork for his major filing.

In February, Mueller handed down indictments of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations for election-related crimes, from hacking to identity fraud. Not only did these charges not implicate Trump or his campaign, but the filing expressly stated that no one in the Trump campaign knowingly engaged Russians in these efforts. Now, Mueller reportedly has said he does not consider Trump a “target” of the criminal investigation. Looking at each of the prior filings, the disclosure would seem consistent with a lack of compelling evidence of a crime by Trump. Indeed, it would indicate Trump’s status has not changed from when Comey told Congress that Trump was not a target.

Still, some analysts immediately denied that Mueller’s disclosure was anything but bad news for Trump. On CNN, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin insisted that “being a ‘subject’ is a very serious thing” and a “very significant designation” because it is clear “the FBI is investigating the president.” Of course, the only lower designation in a criminal investigation would be “witness.” Moreover, it was confirmed last year that Trump was being investigated.

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The obvious point is that, after months of investigating Trump, Mueller still does not have sufficient evidence to make him a “target.” True, a “subject” can become a “target” and a “target” can then become a “defendant,” but so can a “witness.” Clearly, Trump is a subject since he was the subject of the election itself and directly involved in the underlying matters under investigation. What is new is that Mueller confirmed Trump’s status has not changed.

Later, CNN analyst John Dean declared that an assurance Trump is not a target “does not mean a whole lot.” Dean’s rationale was that a president “cannot be indicted,” so Mueller would never have listed him as a target, regardless of the evidence. First and foremost, some of us believe a president can be indicted in office. While there is disagreement, including within the Justice Department and past independent counsels, the Supreme Court has never accepted such immunity from indictment.

More important, even if true, such immunity would not mean Mueller would declare Trump is not a target. Rather, Trump would remain a target as an unindicted co-conspirator or simply an unindicted person pending impeachment. Once impeached, he still could be indicted. Thus, it would be both illogical and unethical for Mueller to say Trump is not a target when he was pursuing possible charges, either as an unindicted co-conspirator or a post-impeachment defendant.

CNN analyst Philip Mudd was not satisfied with the “soft” depictions of the Mueller disclosure and declared that it was devastating news that Mueller was now investigating Trump and that, if Trump were declared a subject, “I would wet my pants.” CNN analyst Ryan Lizza went even further, suggesting that this was all a sham and Mueller is playing “chess to get the president into an interview.” Of course, such a bait-and-switch would be unethical in making false representations to the president’s counsel if Trump is already considered a target.

This continued refusal to acknowledge positive developments for Trump is a disturbing pathology. Just because Trump is a subject of investigation does not mean he cannot become a target. Moreover, Mueller as expected has indicated he will prepare a report on his investigation. This still is a positive development for Trump. It shows that Trump’s status has not materially changed but neither has the status of much of the coverage. Many media commentators clearly are stuck on denial and are a long way from acceptance in dealing with the legal status of Donald Trump.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/381593-when-will-the-media-accept-that-trump-is-not-a-criminal-target
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on April 08, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 08, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

I have no idea about the origin of the leaks, but you aren't making sense. Would not the person being investigated/questioned have information to leak?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 02:06:05 PM
I have no idea about the origin of the leaks, but you aren't making sense. Would not the person being investigated/questioned have information to leak?

The person being questioned or investigated doesn't have access to information held by the prosecutors and has no incentive to leak.  You have no idea about the origin of the leaks because you are being willfully blind.  You don't want to say anything that might possibly be helpful to Trump or harmful to Mueller. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 02:12:34 PM
Ok.  If I'm tracking, Trump, Clinton, Bernie, Russia, the UAE, and now Stormy Daniels are part of this conspiracy. 

FBI raids home, office of Trump attorney Michael Cohen, under scrutiny over Stormy Daniels payments
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman   | Fox News

Kevin Corke has the latest on the FBI raid and the government's response to the recent attack in Syria.

The FBI raided President Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen’s home and office to seize a collection of documents Monday, Fox News confirmed.

Federal agents reportedly obtained documents related to several issues, including his payments to adult-film star Stormy Daniels in the weeks leading up to the 2016 presidential election. The New York Times was first to report the raid.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” Cohen’s attorney Stephen Ryan said in a statement Monday. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

The FBI did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

A spokesman for the special counsel referred Fox News to U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Title 28, Section 600.4 regarding “additional jurisdiction.”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, the president says he didn't know why his lawyer, Michael Cohen, made the $130,000 payment or where funds came from.

“If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the court of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere,” the code reads.

That “elsewhere,” in this case, could be referring to the U.S. Attorneys’ Office in the Southern District of New York.

A spokesman for USDNY declined comment to Fox News.

“The decision by the US Attorney’s Office in New York to conduct their investigation using search warrants is completely inappropriate and unnecessary,” Ryan told Fox News in a statement. “It resulted in the unnecessary seizure of protected attorney client communications between a lawyer and his clients.”

Ryan added: “These government tactics are also wrong because Mr. Cohen has cooperated completely with all government entities, including providing thousands of non-privileged documents to the Congress and sitting for depositions under oath.”

Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, claims to have had a one-time sexual encounter with the president in 2006 and was paid $130,000 by Cohen in the days before the 2016 presidential election as part of a nondisclosure agreement she is seeking to invalidate.

Backlash against her and lawyer after '60 Minutes.'
Daniels and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, are pushing for the president’s and Cohen’s deposition.

“Mr. Cohen has been placed in the crosshairs by Mr. Trump,” Avenatti told Fox News Monday. “He has been set-up to take the fall. An enormous amount of misplaced faith has been placed on his shoulders and I do not believe he has the mettle to withstand it.”

Avenatti added: “If I am correct, this could end very, very badly for Mr. Trump and others.”

Fox News’ John Roberts, Kristin Brown and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/09/fbi-raids-home-office-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-under-scrutiny-over-stormy-daniels-payments.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 09, 2018, 03:16:30 PM
The person being questioned or investigated doesn't have access to information held by the prosecutors and has no incentive to leak.  You have no idea about the origin of the leaks because you are being willfully blind.  You don't want to say anything that might possibly be helpful to Trump or harmful to Mueller. 

Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".



Anyone following this who uses reason and common sense knows that Mueller has been leaking info since he started.  That's why we know everything that happens, before it happens. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 09, 2018, 03:59:39 PM
Anyone following this who uses reason and common sense knows that Mueller has been leaking info since he started.  That's why we know everything that happens, before it happens. 

The real question is why. Like I suggested, it could be a strategic move, or maybe not.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Moontrane on April 09, 2018, 04:08:42 PM
Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".



Everyone recalls Clinton's impeachment for lying about an affair, but keep in mind the Whitewater investigation resulted in 15 people being convicted of over 40 crimes, and a sitting governor was removed from office.

Mueller was brought in to investigate Russian collusion - what the hell do Cohen's payment to a porn performer and his legal records have to do with this?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 09, 2018, 04:18:24 PM
Everyone recalls Clinton's impeachment for lying about an affair, but keep in mind the Whitewater investigation resulted in 15 people being convicted of over 40 crimes, and a sitting governor was removed from office.

Mueller was brought in to investigate Russian collusion - what the hell do Cohen's payment to a porn performer and his legal records have to do with this?

Petty crimes open the door to higher crimes. As best as I know, campaign finance ethics laws may have been violated prior to Trump's election.

Do you think, when all is said and done with this investigation, more or less players will be convicted of crimes?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 04:36:25 PM
The real question is why. Like I suggested, it could be a strategic move, or maybe not.

I don't know precisely why, but I think it's to damage the credibility of the person or entity being investigated.  
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 04:38:11 PM
Petty crimes open the door to higher crimes. As best as I know, campaign finance ethics laws may have been violated prior to Trump's election.

Do you think, when all is said and done with this investigation, more or less players will be convicted of crimes?

I think when all is said and done nobody will be convicted of a crime involving Trump conspiring to win the election to become a Russian puppet.  Zero evidence.  Zero convictions. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Moontrane on April 09, 2018, 05:18:30 PM
I think when all is said and done nobody will be convicted of a crime involving Trump conspiring to win the election to become a Russian puppet.  Zero evidence.  Zero convictions. 

I agree.

But if Mueller gets those 12 Russians to come here (  :D ), he'll likely better Ken Starr's number of convictions; otherwise, I predict fewer convictions. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2018, 05:21:36 PM
I agree.

But if Mueller gets those 12 Russians to come here (  :D ), he'll likely better Ken Starr's number of convictions; otherwise, I predict fewer convictions. 

And the convictions are meaningless.  Process crimes for lying about stupid stuff and alleged financial crimes unrelated to the election.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 11, 2018, 03:20:35 PM
Pure witch hunt.

Raid on Trump’s Lawyer Sought Records on ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape

By MAGGIE HABERMAN, MATT APUZZO and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 11, 2018

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump's personal lawyer, in Manhattan on Wednesday. Credit Seth Wenig/Associated Press
The F.B.I. agents who raided the office and hotel of President Trump’s lawyer on Monday were seeking all records related to the “Access Hollywood” tape in which Mr. Trump was heard making vulgar comments about women, according to three people who have been briefed on the contents of a federal search warrant.

. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-access-hollywood.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2018, 04:08:35 PM

Ridiculous


Pure witch hunt.

Raid on Trump’s Lawyer Sought Records on ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape

By MAGGIE HABERMAN, MATT APUZZO and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 11, 2018

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump's personal lawyer, in Manhattan on Wednesday. Credit Seth Wenig/Associated Press
The F.B.I. agents who raided the office and hotel of President Trump’s lawyer on Monday were seeking all records related to the “Access Hollywood” tape in which Mr. Trump was heard making vulgar comments about women, according to three people who have been briefed on the contents of a federal search warrant.

. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-access-hollywood.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 16, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
I'm sure the report will provide damning evidence of the Trump, Russia, Clinton, Bernie, UAE, Cohen et al. conspiracy to get Trump elected president.

Mueller has reportedly decided to move forward without an interview with Trump
Sonam Sheth 
Apr. 12, 2018 

The special counsel Robert Mueller is preparing to move forward without an interview with President Donald Trump in his obstruction-of-justice case, according to NBC News.

Trump was leaning toward granting Mueller an interview but is said to have decided against it following the FBI's raids of his personal lawyer's hotel room and office this week.

Experts say that even without an interview with Trump — who's at the center of the obstruction case — Mueller most likely has enough evidence to present his findings to Congress.

The special counsel Robert Mueller's team is moving forward on the assumption that it will not secure an interview with President Donald Trump, NBC News reported Thursday.

Trump's lawyers and Mueller's team had for months been negotiating the terms of an interview between the two sides.

On Monday, NBC News reported, Trump's lawyers were in the final stages of determining the scope, timing, and length of an interview and were poised to bring attorneys onto the team to prepare Trump for the impending sit-down. But those talks fell through when it surfaced that the FBI that morning raided the hotel room and office of Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer.

The raid apparently enraged Trump, who believes it crossed the "red line" he said investigators would breach if they looked into his or his family's finances.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported that Mueller's team was putting together a report about Trump's conduct in office and possible obstruction of justice.

Mueller is tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, and a significant thread in the inquiry is whether the president sought to obstruct justice when he fired James Comey as FBI director last year.

Comey had publicly confirmed the existence of the Russia investigation months before his firing, and he was in charge of overseeing it at the time of his dismissal.

Since then, news reports and a string of public statements from Trump have raised questions about the circumstances surrounding Comey's firing and whether Trump had the right to fire the FBI director if his intent were to hamper a criminal investigation involving him and his associates.

In addition to Comey's firing, Mueller was also looking into Trump's role in crafting a misleading statement his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released in response to reports that he met with two Russian lobbyists in June 2016, and into Trump's efforts to pressure Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his recusal from the Russia investigation.

And in a new development, NBC News reported that Mueller was investigating whether Trump's former lawyer floated pardons to critical witnesses in the investigation.

According to the report, Mueller has collected evidence on all those threads in the obstruction inquiry.

Mueller's team was aiming to finalize the report on its findings as early as May or as late as July. But if the special counsel has decided to proceed without an interview, the timeline may shorten.

The outlet described two sources familiar with the investigation as expecting "a flurry of activity" out of Mueller's office in the next six weeks.

Alex Whiting, a former federal prosecutor who is now a professor at Harvard Law School, said the NBC News report wasn't surprising.

"I am sure that Mueller's team has enough evidence to draw conclusions on the obstruction prong without an interview with Trump," Whiting said. "An interview of the potential target of the investigation is always helpful, but most criminal investigations conclude without such an interview, because targets assert their Fifth Amendment privilege not to testify."

Subpoenaing Trump is a 'strategic choice' that Mueller most likely won't pursue
Donald Trump Donald Trump Jr.
REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Mueller has the option of subpoenaing Trump for an interview, but legal experts unequivocally said that would lead to a prolonged battle in court.

NBC News reported that if Trump were to decline a voluntary sit-down with the special counsel, his lawyers would argue that because a sitting president cannot be indicted, he also cannot be subpoenaed.

Whiting said that whether Mueller subpoenas Trump to testify before a grand jury was "really a strategic choice."

"He will have to decide whether it is worth the time to litigate the matter," he said. "Even if they prevailed on the subpoena, Trump himself could always assert his Fifth Amendment privilege, though it would be politically costly to do so."

For that reason, Mueller is likely to move ahead with putting together his report without an interview.

News that Mueller is preparing a report about those circumstances lays out some important clues about the direction of the investigation.

It could indicate one of three things, according to Jeffrey Cramer, a former federal prosecutor who spent 12 years at the Department of Justice:

The president did nothing wrong and will not be charged.
Mueller found some indication of criminal activity but might not have enough evidence to indict Trump.
Mueller does have enough evidence to indict Trump but may decide he does not have the authority to charge the president based on Department of Justice precedent.
Legal experts say that because of existing Justice Department policy, it is unlikely Mueller will indict Trump if he has found evidence of wrongdoing.

They added that the decision about how to proceed once Mueller issues his report would fall to Congress, which is authorized to impeach the president — and where such a document could prove most consequential.

Mueller's office has so far charged 19 people, including 13 Russian nationals. The indictments — as well as the charges against Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman — draw a stark and detailed picture of the allegations of criminal conduct.

"Similar to the Manafort and Russian indictments, I expect any report [about Trump] to lay out in painstaking detail the facts they uncovered," Cramer said.

Mueller is mandated to provide reports of his findings to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who appointed him as the special counsel in May. But whether those findings are released to the public is Rosenstein's decision.

Whiting said he found it "striking" that "Mueller seems to be preparing the report with an expectation that it will eventually become public."

He added: "Once the investigation is completed, I think it will be very difficult to keep Mueller's conclusions secret."

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-interview-in-the-russia-investigation-may-not-happen-2018-4
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 27, 2018, 02:09:45 PM
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on April 27, 2018, 04:17:32 PM
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html
THis stuff gets better and better.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 27, 2018, 06:28:34 PM
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html

So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2018, 09:28:24 PM
So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?

Because he was. The FBI guys who interviewed Flynn may not have had all the information and though they felt he was being upfront, it's irrelevant when people who had all the information compared what he said to the facts they knew. Happens all the time. While I may "feel" someone is being forthright with me, the lead investigator of the case can review the transcript, compare it to what he or she knows to be true and determine if the subject was lying.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 30, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?

Because defending himself was bankrupting him and could have harmed his son's career.  You do realize the FBI agents who interviewed him did not believe Flynn lied?  I seriously doubt Flynn knew that before entering his plea.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on April 30, 2018, 05:19:46 PM
Because defending himself was bankrupting him and could have harmed his son's career.  You do realize the FBI agents who interviewed him did not believe Flynn lied?  I seriously doubt Flynn knew that before entering his plea.

LOL - how would it hurt his son's "career" to tell the truth

Jared Kushner's father went to jail and it didn't seem to hurt his career


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on April 30, 2018, 07:24:00 PM
Are they trying to implicate Fedor in this whole thing?

FBI questions Russian MMA fighter Emelianenko who once competed in Trump's fight league.

The FBI questioned a Russian mixed martial artist, who was previously linked to President Donald Trump and his personal attorney Michael Cohen, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manager Jerry Millen told London’s Telegraph newspaper on Saturday that the FBI arrived at the Chicago hotel room of  Fedor Emelianenko last week to speak with him privately.

Millen would not go into detail regarding the line of questions the FBI had for his client. “The FBI came to the hotel looking to talk to Fedor and they were very nice, came in to speak with Fedor for a few minutes, spoke to me, very cool guys, and that’s all I can really say about it. Again, the FBI did come to the hotel, they found us, knocked on the door,” he said.

Millen noted the FBI’s visit to Emelianenko came as a surprise and neither Emelianenko nor Millen knew why the FBI wanted to speak with the fighter. The agents were also reportedly in the audience at Emelianenko’s Bellator MMA heavyweight fight against Frank Mir on Saturday, according to the Associated Press.

http://www.newsweek.com/fedor-emelianenko-fbi-probe-trump-905193
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 30, 2018, 07:27:29 PM
Are they trying to implicate Fedor in this whole thing?

FBI questions Russian MMA fighter Emelianenko who once competed in Trump's fight league.

The FBI questioned a Russian mixed martial artist, who was previously linked to President Donald Trump and his personal attorney Michael Cohen, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manager Jerry Millen told London’s Telegraph newspaper on Saturday that the FBI arrived at the Chicago hotel room of  Fedor Emelianenko last week to speak with him privately.

Millen would not go into detail regarding the line of questions the FBI had for his client. “The FBI came to the hotel looking to talk to Fedor and they were very nice, came in to speak with Fedor for a few minutes, spoke to me, very cool guys, and that’s all I can really say about it. Again, the FBI did come to the hotel, they found us, knocked on the door,” he said.

Millen noted the FBI’s visit to Emelianenko came as a surprise and neither Emelianenko nor Millen knew why the FBI wanted to speak with the fighter. The agents were also reportedly in the audience at Emelianenko’s Bellator MMA heavyweight fight against Frank Mir on Saturday, according to the Associated Press.

http://www.newsweek.com/fedor-emelianenko-fbi-probe-trump-905193


The grand conspiracy gets even larger.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on April 30, 2018, 07:35:10 PM
The grand conspiracy gets even larger.

Too bad they can't question Rasputin, I've heard he was quite the mastermind. Although it says the FBI agents were in the audience at the fight so either these are some nice job perks, to get paid to watch a Fedor fight or perhaps the agents are just Fedor fans who flashed the badge so they could get a brief chat and an autograph from Fedor.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 10:55:02 AM
Too bad they can't question Rasputin, I've heard he was quite the mastermind. Although it says the FBI agents were in the audience at the fight so either these are some nice job perks, to get paid to watch a Fedor fight or perhaps the agents are just Fedor fans who flashed the badge so they could get a brief chat and an autograph from Fedor.

 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 10:56:04 AM
Agnostic:  Mueller runs a tight ship. 

Mueller Has Dozens of Inquiries for Trump in Broad Quest on Russia Ties and Obstruction
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 30, 2018

WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

[Read the questions here.]

. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/robert-mueller-questions-trump.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 01:15:43 PM
Agnostic:  Mueller runs a tight ship. 

Mueller Has Dozens of Inquiries for Trump in Broad Quest on Russia Ties and Obstruction
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 30, 2018

WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

[Read the questions here.]

. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/robert-mueller-questions-trump.html

Yep, and as soon as he turned the questions over to anyone associated with Trump, instant leak. Sad!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 01, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Because defending himself was bankrupting him and could have harmed his son's career.  You do realize the FBI agents who interviewed him did not believe Flynn lied?  I seriously doubt Flynn knew that before entering his plea.

FBI to Flynn, "fooled ya."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 01, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385575-impeachment-looms-large-in-white-house-midterm-plans

If only....

Has the swamp sprung a leak?

"Forty-seven House Republicans, including Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), have announced their retirements since Trump came into office. While some of them have been replaced by GOP successors in special elections, many of the seats will be vulnerable to Democratic takeover in November." ALEXANDER BOLTON AND MELANIE ZANONA - 04/30/18
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 01:41:12 PM
Yep, and as soon as he turned the questions over to anyone associated with Trump, instant leak. Sad!

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
::)

Ok D.E. Here are several different articles from various news sources saying it was, or it was likely Trumps side that sprung the leak. Take a few moments, look over them, and then let me know if you still think it was Mueller's team based on the poorly written tweet from Donald faking outrage. 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/why-were-muellers-questions-for-trump-leaked.html

"Times reporter Michael Schmidt elaborated on MSNBC, seeming to confirm that the document came from Trump’s side (which makes sense because Mueller’s team has not been known to leak)."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-team-trump-leaked-muellers-questions-its-bound-to-backfire

"First, who might have leaked these questions? Mueller himself or someone on his team could have done so, but Mueller is known for his tight-lipped approach to investigations. Not only is it against his nature to leak these questions, it is also against his interest. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/05/01/were-trumps-own-lawyers-behind-the-disgraceful-leak-of-muellers-questions/?utm_term=.cdfa4730c43e

“Clearly a leak by the special counsel's office,” Sean Hannity declared on his Fox News show Monday night, shortly after the New York Times published the questions.

The rightful target of the president's ire might be his own legal team.

The Times reported that the questions were “read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to the Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.”

Based on the Times's account, we can conclude that the leak did not come from the special counsel's office — unless Trump's lawyers shared their document listing Mueller's questions with Mueller's investigators, which would make little sense."

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

“Because of the way these questions are written ... lawyers wouldn’t write questions this way, in my estimation. Some of the grammar is not even proper," he continued. "So, I don’t see this as a list of written questions that Mueller’s office gave to the president. I think these are more notes that the White House has taken and then they have expanded upon the conversation to write out these as questions.”

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-leak-mueller-questions-experts-906857

“There is no question that these leaks did not come from Mueller’s team but did come from Trump’s team,” ABC News chief legal analyst Dan Abrams said on Good Morning America. “How do we know that? Because in the New York Times article, they make it very clear this came from a list of questions that Mueller’s team read to them. And so Trump’s team created this list that was then leaked by someone outside of Trump’s defense team.”
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 06:06:41 PM
Ok D.E. Here are several different articles from various news sources saying it was, or it was likely Trumps side that sprung the leak. Take a few moments, look over them, and then let me know if you still think it was Mueller's team based on the poorly written tweet from Donald faking outrage. 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/why-were-muellers-questions-for-trump-leaked.html

"Times reporter Michael Schmidt elaborated on MSNBC, seeming to confirm that the document came from Trump’s side (which makes sense because Mueller’s team has not been known to leak)."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-team-trump-leaked-muellers-questions-its-bound-to-backfire

"First, who might have leaked these questions? Mueller himself or someone on his team could have done so, but Mueller is known for his tight-lipped approach to investigations. Not only is it against his nature to leak these questions, it is also against his interest. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/05/01/were-trumps-own-lawyers-behind-the-disgraceful-leak-of-muellers-questions/?utm_term=.cdfa4730c43e

“Clearly a leak by the special counsel's office,” Sean Hannity declared on his Fox News show Monday night, shortly after the New York Times published the questions.

The rightful target of the president's ire might be his own legal team.

The Times reported that the questions were “read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to the Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.”

Based on the Times's account, we can conclude that the leak did not come from the special counsel's office — unless Trump's lawyers shared their document listing Mueller's questions with Mueller's investigators, which would make little sense."

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

“Because of the way these questions are written ... lawyers wouldn’t write questions this way, in my estimation. Some of the grammar is not even proper," he continued. "So, I don’t see this as a list of written questions that Mueller’s office gave to the president. I think these are more notes that the White House has taken and then they have expanded upon the conversation to write out these as questions.”

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-leak-mueller-questions-experts-906857

“There is no question that these leaks did not come from Mueller’s team but did come from Trump’s team,” ABC News chief legal analyst Dan Abrams said on Good Morning America. “How do we know that? Because in the New York Times article, they make it very clear this came from a list of questions that Mueller’s team read to them. And so Trump’s team created this list that was then leaked by someone outside of Trump’s defense team.”

MSM parroting the same thing?  Oh wow.  You got me.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 01, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
MSM parroting the same thing?  Oh wow.  You got me.   

Yup... you can lead a Marxist to water...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 06:10:44 PM
Yup... you can lead a Marxist to water...

 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
Wow... you really want to believe it couldn't be from Trumps camp.... I'm afraid you are way past the point of critical thinking

The old "MSM" throw down excuse... if you don't agree with the information, simply mumble MSM and you're done..
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Wow... you really want to believe it couldn't be from Trumps camp.... I'm afraid you are way past the point of critical thinking

The old "MSM" throw down excuse... if you don't agree with the information, simply mumble MSM and you're done..

Oh yes.  This is the end of me and critical thinking.  lol  You probably don't believe there is any kind of liberal media bias.  That they don't all repeat the same talking points.  That they aren't openly at war with Trump.  Sucks to be you. 

I guess I could dive into MSNBC, exhibit symptoms of TDS, be a hypocrite when it comes to criticizing people about bigotry, name-calling, etc.  But you got that covered. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 01, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
Agnostic:  Mueller runs a tight ship.  

Mueller Has Dozens of Inquiries for Trump in Broad Quest on Russia Ties and Obstruction
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 30, 2018

WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s election interference, has at least four dozen questions on an exhaustive array of subjects he wants to ask President Trump to learn more about his ties to Russia and determine whether he obstructed the inquiry itself, according to a list of the questions obtained by The New York Times.

[Read the questions here.]

. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/robert-mueller-questions-trump.html

Despite the questions being "leaked" or whether Trump thinks he's innocent and has nothing to hide, he would be a fool to talk to Mueller.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 01, 2018, 07:14:06 PM
Despite the questions being "leaked" or whether Trump thinks he's innocent and has nothing to hide, he would be a fool to talk to Mueller.

Completely agree. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 07:26:49 PM
Despite the questions being "leaked" or whether Trump thinks he's innocent and has nothing to hide, he would be a fool to talk to Mueller.

You've almost guaranteed he will.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on May 01, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Wow... you really want to believe it couldn't be from Trumps camp.... I'm afraid you are way past the point of critical thinking

The old "MSM" throw down excuse... if you don't agree with the information, simply mumble MSM and you're done..

so all of a sudden Trump's camp leaks ?? Nope...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
so all of a sudden Trump's camp leaks ?? Nope...

HAHAHAHA!!  All of a sudden......  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2018, 08:46:34 PM
Would someone list trustworthy media sources that aren't "Mainstream Media" ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on May 02, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
HAHAHAHA!!  All of a sudden......  ;D

So all the Leaks that paint Trump as a  Racist Nazi Russian Traitor are from Trump?? would he not leak info that make him look good ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 02, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
So all the Leaks that paint Trump as a  Racist Nazi Russian Traitor are from Trump?? would he not leak info that make him look good ?

He didn't leak that he called Putin to congratulate him on his win when he was given a note to "DO NOT CONGRATULATE HIM". Someone on his team leaked it within minutes. I am not saying Trump himself leaked anything. His team certainly did
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2018, 03:21:20 PM
FBI to Flynn, "fooled ya."

Actually it was Mueller. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 02, 2018, 03:31:36 PM
Actually it was Mueller. 

Thanks, you're right again.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 02, 2018, 03:44:21 PM
Trump wants badly to discredit the FBI and The Special Counsel, particularly Robert Mueller. It would not surprise me if he leaks information only to blame it on them.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2018, 03:53:42 PM
Trump wants badly to discredit the FBI and The Special Counsel, particularly Robert Mueller. It would not surprise me if he leaks information only to blame it on them.

He's pretty media savvy.  I think he probably leaked the tax return and punked Maddow with it.  But this one?  I doubt it. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 02, 2018, 03:56:17 PM
He's pretty media savvy.  I think he probably leaked the tax return and punked Maddow with it.  But this one?  I doubt it. 

It is possible we will never know the truth behind the so called "leaks".
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
It is possible we will never know the truth behind the so called "leaks".

More than possible.  People in DC rarely get held accountable. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 03, 2018, 11:18:08 PM
Mueller running a tight ship again.

Special counsel Robert Mueller focusing sharply on links between Trump confidant Roger Stone and former campaign official Rick Gates, sources say
Special counsel Robert Mueller is focusing intensely on alleged interactions between former top Trump campaign official Rick Gates and political operative Roger Stone.
Stone's attorney did not deny the relationship between his client and Gates, but sought to downplay its importance.
Brian Schwartz   | @schwartzbCNBC
CNBC.com

Special counsel Robert Mueller is focusing intensely on alleged interactions between former top Trump campaign official Rick Gates and political operative Roger Stone, one of President Donald Trump's closest confidants, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

Stone, a longtime advisor to Trump, is apparently one of the top subjects of the Mueller investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, sources told CNBC on condition of anonymity.

The questions have been largely about what was discussed at meetings, including dinners, between Stone and Gates, before and during the campaign, said the sources, who have knowledge of the substance of the recent interviews.

In February, Gates pleaded guilty to two counts stemming from the Russia investigation, and he is cooperating with Mueller's probe.

The new developments indicate that Mueller's team is interested in Stone beyond his interactions with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange during the campaign.

An attorney for Stone, Robert Buschel, did not deny discussions took place between his client and Gates, but sought to downplay their importance.

. . .

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/mueller-focuses-on-links-between-roger-stone-trump-campaign-aide-gates.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Mobil on May 03, 2018, 11:30:03 PM
Mueller running a tight ship again.

Special counsel Robert Mueller focusing sharply on links between Trump confidant Roger Stone and former campaign official Rick Gates, sources say
Special counsel Robert Mueller is focusing intensely on alleged interactions between former top Trump campaign official Rick Gates and political operative Roger Stone.
Stone's attorney did not deny the relationship between his client and Gates, but sought to downplay its importance.
Brian Schwartz   | @schwartzbCNBC
CNBC.com

Special counsel Robert Mueller is focusing intensely on alleged interactions between former top Trump campaign official Rick Gates and political operative Roger Stone, one of President Donald Trump's closest confidants, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

Stone, a longtime advisor to Trump, is apparently one of the top subjects of the Mueller investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, sources told CNBC on condition of anonymity.

The questions have been largely about what was discussed at meetings, including dinners, between Stone and Gates, before and during the campaign, said the sources, who have knowledge of the substance of the recent interviews.

In February, Gates pleaded guilty to two counts stemming from the Russia investigation, and he is cooperating with Mueller's probe.

The new developments indicate that Mueller's team is interested in Stone beyond his interactions with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange during the campaign.

An attorney for Stone, Robert Buschel, did not deny discussions took place between his client and Gates, but sought to downplay their importance.

. . .

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/mueller-focuses-on-links-between-roger-stone-trump-campaign-aide-gates.html

hes going to find that Trump purchased toilet paper from over seas... so the toilet paper he used to whipe his ass was a tax evation, therefore grounds for impeachment.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 04, 2018, 02:47:06 AM
Lol. Roger Stone was at/on the Alex Jones Show the night of the election.

Such a major player within the Trump campaign.  :-*
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 04, 2018, 10:08:49 AM
hes going to find that Trump purchased toilet paper from over seas... so the toilet paper he used to whipe his ass was a tax evation, therefore grounds for impeachment.

That's about all he has left. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 04, 2018, 10:09:46 AM
 :o

Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump: 'C'mon man!'
By Jake Gibson   | Fox News

The hearing, where Manafort’s team fought to dismiss an 18-count indictment on tax and bank fraud-related charges, took a confrontational turn as it was revealed that at least some of the information in the investigation derived from an earlier Justice Department probe – in the U.S. attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Judge T.S. Ellis III told Mueller's team they "care" about information Manafort could give them to lead them to "mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."

Manafort’s attorneys argue the special counsel does not have the power to indict him on the charges they have brought – and seemed to find a sympathetic ear with Ellis.

The Reagan-appointed judge asked Mueller’s team where they got the authority to indict Manafort on alleged crimes dating as far back as 2005.

The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not “arise” out of the special counsel probe – and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.

“We don’t want anyone with unfettered power,” he said.

Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

He referenced the common exclamation from NFL announcers, saying: "C'mon man!"

The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted “scope memo” or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn’t pertain to Manafort.

“I’ll be the judge of that,” Ellis said.

House Republicans have also sought the full document, though the Justice Department previously released a redacted version, which includes information related to Manafort but not much else.

The charges in federal court in Virginia were on top of another round of charges in October. Manafort has pleaded not guilty to both rounds. The charges filed earlier this year include conspiring against the United States, conspiring to launder money, failing to register as an agent of a foreign principal and providing false statements.

Earlier this year, Ellis suggested that Manafort could face life in prison, and “poses a substantial flight risk” because of his “financial means and international connections to flee and remain at large.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/federal-judge-accuses-muellers-team-lying-trying-to-target-trump-cmon-man.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 04, 2018, 10:27:36 AM
:o

Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump: 'C'mon man!'
By Jake Gibson   | Fox News


The Reagan-appointed judge asked Mueller’s team where they got the authority to indict Manafort on alleged crimes dating as far back as 2005.

The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not “arise” out of the special counsel probe – and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.

“We don’t want anyone with unfettered power,” he said.


I wonder what other instances like that exist in this whole investigation.


Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/federal-judge-accuses-muellers-team-lying-trying-to-target-trump-cmon-man.html

That judge summed it up nicely.  It will be interesting to see how this proceeds.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 10, 2018, 04:41:37 AM
Avenatti Accuses The Wrong Michael Cohens Of Making ‘Fraudulent’ Payments
Daily Caller ^
Posted on 5/9/2018, 3:04:45 PM by Bigtigermike

Michael Avenatti, porn star Stormy Daniels’ lawyer, released a seven-page dossier on Tuesday containing a list of payments purportedly made to Michael Cohen, the lawyer for President Donald Trump.

But there is one problem with the document: two of the allegedly “fraudulent” payments were made to men named Michael Cohen who have no affiliation with Trump.

Avenatti’s report includes a section listing “possible fraudulent and illegal financial transactions” involving Trump’s lawyer. One of the payments is a $4,250 wire transfer from a Malaysian company called Actuarial Partners to a bank in Toronto.

The other is a $980 transfer from a Kenyan bank to Bank Hapoalim, the largest bank in Israel.

Zainal Kassim, a representative for Actuarial Partners, tells The Daily Caller News Foundation that Avenatti’s report is a case of mistaken identity. He forwarded an email that the falsely accused Michael Cohen sent to Avenatti requesting that the lawyer “correct this error forthwith and make it known publicly” that there is no connection to Trump’s Michael Cohen.

(Excerpt) Read more at amp.dailycaller.com ...





LOL!!!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 10, 2018, 04:42:36 AM
The ‘Russian Collusion’ Trial Is On, And Mueller May Be The First Casualty
dailycaller.com ^ | 5/9/18 | Richard Pollock
Posted on 5/10/2018, 5:55:47 AM by a little elbow grease

Mueller generated headlines with the February indictment, safe in the knowledge the 13 Russians were beyond U.S. jurisdiction. Therefore, there would be no trial — only sensational Russian collusion accusations.

Mueller may now have to try the case, and Concord’s lawyers have put the special counsel on notice. The Russian company’s lawyers intend to invoke “discovery” to obtain U.S. intelligence about what they knew of Russian activities. “I guess Mueller thought it was a freebie, for sure,” former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy told The Daily Caller News Foundation after the court proceeding.

“He thought it could make this association (of Russian collusion) and it would never be challenged in court,” McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, said after the proceeding.

“He thought it could make this association (of Russian collusion) and it would never be challenged in court,” McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, said after the proceeding. Concord retained the services of two attorneys at mega law firm Reed Smith, and the company is demanding a speedy trial. The lawyers indicated they were going to exercise Concord’s rights under discovery to examine all of Mueller’s “evidence” of the conspiracy.

In starting Wednesday’s trial, Eric A. Dubelier, a Reed Smith law partner, entered a “not guilty” plea in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He also repeated his client’s interest for a “speedy trial.”

McCarthy called Mueller’s entire indictment an “unforced error.”

“One thing you never want to do is to indict in a case that you’re not prepared to try,” McCarthy said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 10, 2018, 10:27:41 AM
The ‘Russian Collusion’ Trial Is On, And Mueller May Be The First Casualty
dailycaller.com ^ | 5/9/18 | Richard Pollock
Posted on 5/10/2018, 5:55:47 AM by a little elbow grease

Mueller generated headlines with the February indictment, safe in the knowledge the 13 Russians were beyond U.S. jurisdiction. Therefore, there would be no trial — only sensational Russian collusion accusations.

Mueller may now have to try the case, and Concord’s lawyers have put the special counsel on notice. The Russian company’s lawyers intend to invoke “discovery” to obtain U.S. intelligence about what they knew of Russian activities. “I guess Mueller thought it was a freebie, for sure,” former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy told The Daily Caller News Foundation after the court proceeding.

“He thought it could make this association (of Russian collusion) and it would never be challenged in court,” McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, said after the proceeding.

“He thought it could make this association (of Russian collusion) and it would never be challenged in court,” McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, said after the proceeding. Concord retained the services of two attorneys at mega law firm Reed Smith, and the company is demanding a speedy trial. The lawyers indicated they were going to exercise Concord’s rights under discovery to examine all of Mueller’s “evidence” of the conspiracy.

In starting Wednesday’s trial, Eric A. Dubelier, a Reed Smith law partner, entered a “not guilty” plea in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He also repeated his client’s interest for a “speedy trial.”

McCarthy called Mueller’s entire indictment an “unforced error.”

“One thing you never want to do is to indict in a case that you’re not prepared to try,” McCarthy said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...



I bet Mueller didn't see that coming. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on May 10, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
I bet Mueller didn't see that coming. 
None of us did.  THis is awesome.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 10, 2018, 01:45:09 PM
None of us did.  THis is awesome.

Yep.  House of cards about to fall. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 10, 2018, 01:55:17 PM
An interesting analysis. Napolitano is one of the most level headed voices at Fox.

The clash between Trump and Mueller is looming. Will the rule of law survive?

Late last week, a federal judge in Alexandria, Virginia, questioned the authority of special counsel Robert Mueller to seek an indictment and pursue the prosecution of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort for alleged financial crimes that, according to the indictment, began and ended well before Donald Trump ran for president. Mueller was appointed special counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein because of allegations that Rosenstein accepted of a conspiracy by members of the Trump campaign to accept assistance from a foreign person, entity or government, which is a felony.

The application by Manafort's lawyers before Judge T.S. Ellis III was actually a motion to dismiss the indictment against Manafort for want of jurisdiction. Stated differently, Manafort argued that Mueller exceeded the authority granted to him by the Department of Justice and thus he has no legal ability -- jurisdiction -- to prosecute Manafort. During the course of the oral argument on this motion, the judge opined that in his view, Mueller is only prosecuting Manafort for bank and tax fraud to squeeze him to testify against President Trump on matters that might be impeachable.

The judge's comments as to Mueller's motivation are dicta. Dicta are the unsolicited, unnecessary and often personal opinions of the court on matters not strictly before the court and not integral to the court's ruling. Stated differently, there is an abundance of speculation in the media but zero evidence in the record before Judge Ellis -- zero -- on which he could base his opinion; and his opinion of the prosecutor's motivation is irrelevant. It made national headlines because Trump supporters agree with it, and it is probably accurate -- but it is legally meaningless.

Even if Judge Ellis were to dismiss the indictment against Manafort for want of Mueller's jurisdiction, the dismissal would mean only that Mueller cannot prosecute Manafort, not that Manafort cannot be prosecuted on these charges.

If the present indictment were to be dismissed, the local federal prosecutors in Alexandria would present the Mueller-gathered evidence against Manafort to another grand jury and ask it to issue a new indictment that makes the identical charges as those now pending. Then they would prosecute Manafort on the same charges that Mueller originally brought. The financial crimes charged, though unrelated to Mueller's initial duty of looking for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and foreigners, are real, and no federal prosecutors with jurisdiction could ethically overlook them.

Judge Ellis' actual ruling -- clouded by the fog of his dicta -- gave Mueller two weeks to demonstrate his lawful jurisdiction. He can easily do that with a letter from Rosenstein. The letter can even be retroactive. Thus, all this focus on Judge Ellis' personal opinion of Mueller's motivation is much ado about national politics and has little to do with the rule of law. Who cares what a judge thinks about the motivations of the prosecutors?

The practice of indicting a person for a matter utterly unrelated to the core of the government's investigation in order to turn the indicted person into a government witness, though often repellant, is commonplace and has received approval by numerous Supreme Court opinions. Clearly, obtaining a guilty plea from retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the president's former national security adviser, for lying to FBI agents about the existence of a lawful telephone conversation and obtaining a guilty plea from Rick Gates, Manafort's former business partner and deputy Trump campaign manager, for lying about who said what at a lawful meeting are parts of a plan to get these folks to give evidence or testimony about the president that prosecutors want to hear.

I have characterized this prosecutorial behavior as extortion or bribery, but I am in a small minority in the legal and judicial communities. The courts have made clear that prosecutors can nullify prison exposure by reducing charges to induce the testimony they want from a witness. Yet if defense counsel gave the same witness so much as a lollipop to shade his testimony, both would be indicted for bribery.

All this leads to the question: How independent are these prosecutors? The modern, post-Nixon Department of Justice has a little bit of unaccountability intentionally built into it based on natural law principles of right and wrong and on fear of an imperial presidency. President Richard Nixon believed he could do as he pleased with his DOJ -- and even boasted that if he did something, by definition it was not unlawful.

But prosecutors have ethical and moral obligations to prosecute crimes, and those duties transcend politics. Suppose President Trump told prosecutors not to prosecute his former friend Harvey Weinstein or his former lawyer Michael Cohen? I expect they would rightly ignore him.

I know this argument offends the belief of many of my colleagues that the Constitution gives the president sole and total command over all behavior in the executive branch of the federal government. But the natural law is superior to the Constitution and superior to the government.

The natural law teaches that through the exercise of reason, we know in our hearts what is right and what is wrong. Some things are right no matter what the government says, and some things are wrong no matter what the government says. The limited quasi-independence of the modern Department of Justice, born in the ashes of a presidency that publicly proclaimed that it could do no wrong, is a hallmark to these principles.

I offer these arguments because it now appears that the feared clash between President Trump and special counsel Mueller will soon come to a head, and one can only hope that the rule of law will prevail. But the rule of law is only a safeguard of our liberties when the people in whose hands we repose it for safekeeping are faithful to it though, in the motto of the DOJ, the heavens fall.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/10/judge-andrew-napolitano-clash-between-trump-and-mueller-is-looming-will-rule-law-survive.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on May 10, 2018, 03:59:43 PM
Mueller is a younger version of the Pedo Songbird John MacCain
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 11, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Bombshell WSJ report suggests FBI had a mole embedded inside Trump campaign
Biz Pac Review ^ | May 11, 2018 | Frieda Powers
Posted on 5/11/2018, 12:03:06 PM by ethom

A new bombshell report reveals that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, Kimberly Strassel unpacked some stunning developments in the battle between the Department of Justice and House Intelligence Committee members.

House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, D-Calif., and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., received a classified briefing at the DOJ on Thursday, viewing classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI probe of the Trump campaign.

According to Strassel’s Wall Street Journal piece:

The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

Nunes could not view the information because it apparently “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,” The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

“This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough,” Strassel noted. “Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.”

“I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it,” Strassel wrote. ” It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.”

“But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible,” she concluded. “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 11, 2018, 09:47:51 AM
Bombshell WSJ report suggests FBI had a mole embedded inside Trump campaign
Biz Pac Review ^ | May 11, 2018 | Frieda Powers
Posted on 5/11/2018, 12:03:06 PM by ethom

A new bombshell report reveals that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, Kimberly Strassel unpacked some stunning developments in the battle between the Department of Justice and House Intelligence Committee members.

House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, D-Calif., and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., received a classified briefing at the DOJ on Thursday, viewing classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI probe of the Trump campaign.

According to Strassel’s Wall Street Journal piece:

The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

Nunes could not view the information because it apparently “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,” The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

“This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough,” Strassel noted. “Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.”

“I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it,” Strassel wrote. ” It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.”

“But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible,” she concluded. “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”

Wow.  :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 11, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Wow.  :o

And yet - decrepit and sickly Hillary still could not counter a few fake russian FB ads despite billions in free ads from the media. 


 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 11, 2018, 10:40:06 AM
And yet - decrepit and sickly Hillary still could not counter a few fake russian FB ads despite billions in free ads from the media. 


 

So we have the DOJ and FBI refusing to cooperate, deliberately stalling the process or concealing information and then they try to cover it up by claiming that lives could be lost? How and why would human lives be at risk and by whom? An Attorney General accusing anyone of extortion is quite rich too. Once again it sounds like they want to operate without any accountability and to have to answer to no one.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 11, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
So we have the DOJ and FBI refusing to cooperate, deliberately stalling the process or concealing information and then they try to cover it up by claiming that lives could be lost? How and why would human lives be at risk and by whom? An Attorney General accusing anyone of extortion is quite rich too. Once again it sounds like they want to operate without any accountability and to have to answer to no one.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Mobil on May 12, 2018, 10:42:43 AM


that sums it up in one picture... it left out FOX when they told him to not take the nomination for GOP(because no chance of him winning)...we all forgot about that as well...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 12, 2018, 02:38:51 PM
Bombshell WSJ report suggests FBI had a mole embedded inside Trump campaign
Biz Pac Review ^ | May 11, 2018 | Frieda Powers
Posted on 5/11/2018, 12:03:06 PM by ethom

A new bombshell report reveals that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, Kimberly Strassel unpacked some stunning developments in the battle between the Department of Justice and House Intelligence Committee members.

House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, D-Calif., and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., received a classified briefing at the DOJ on Thursday, viewing classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI probe of the Trump campaign.

According to Strassel’s Wall Street Journal piece:

The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

Nunes could not view the information because it apparently “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,” The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

“This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough,” Strassel noted. “Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.”

“I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it,” Strassel wrote. ” It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.”

“But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible,” she concluded. “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”

My god...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 12, 2018, 07:39:09 PM
Lol:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

"This week, one of the Russian companies accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a conspiracy to meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was revealed in court to not have existed during the time period alleged by Mueller's team of prosecutors, according to a lawyer representing the Defendant...."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 14, 2018, 02:55:26 AM
Lol:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

"This week, one of the Russian companies accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a conspiracy to meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was revealed in court to not have existed during the time period alleged by Mueller's team of prosecutors, according to a lawyer representing the Defendant...."

bump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 14, 2018, 04:36:49 AM
bump

LOL!!!!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2018, 06:09:31 AM
Bombshell WSJ report suggests FBI had a mole embedded inside Trump campaign
Biz Pac Review ^ | May 11, 2018 | Frieda Powers
Posted on 5/11/2018, 12:03:06 PM by ethom

A new bombshell report reveals that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, Kimberly Strassel unpacked some stunning developments in the battle between the Department of Justice and House Intelligence Committee members.

House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, D-Calif., and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., received a classified briefing at the DOJ on Thursday, viewing classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI probe of the Trump campaign.

According to Strassel’s Wall Street Journal piece:

The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

Nunes could not view the information because it apparently “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,” The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

“This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough,” Strassel noted. “Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.”

“I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it,” Strassel wrote. ” It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.”

“But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible,” she concluded. “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”

 :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2018, 06:10:35 AM
Lol:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

"This week, one of the Russian companies accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a conspiracy to meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was revealed in court to not have existed during the time period alleged by Mueller's team of prosecutors, according to a lawyer representing the Defendant...."

lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2018, 10:29:32 AM
Is there anyone out there, aside from true believer liberals/Democrats, who believes in this conspiracy theory?

We read every one of the 3,517 Facebook ads bought by Russians. Here's what we found
Nick Penzenstadler, Brad Heath, Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY
Published May 11, 2018

The Russian company charged with orchestrating a wide-ranging effort to meddle in the 2016 presidential election overwhelmingly focused its barrage of social media advertising on what is arguably America’s rawest political division: race.

The roughly 3,500 Facebook ads were created by the Russian-based Internet Research Agency, which is at the center of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s February indictment of 13 Russians and three companies seeking to influence the election.

While some ads focused on topics as banal as business promotion or Pokémon, the company consistently promoted ads designed to inflame race-related tensions. Some dealt with race directly; others dealt with issues fraught with racial and religious baggage such as ads focused on protests over policing, the debate over a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico and relationships with the Muslim community.

The company continued to hammer racial themes even after the election.

USA TODAY NETWORK reporters reviewed each of the 3,517 ads, which were released to the public this week for the first time by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The analysis included not just the content of the ads, but also information that revealed the specific audience targeted, when the ad was posted, roughly how many views it received and how much the ad cost to post.

Among the findings:

Of the roughly 3,500 ads published this week, more than half — about 1,950 — made express references to race. Those accounted for 25 million ad impressions — a measure of how many times the spot was pulled from a server for transmission to a device.

At least 25% of the ads centered on issues involving crime and policing, often with a racial connotation. Separate ads, launched simultaneously, would stoke suspicion about how police treat black people in one ad, while another encouraged support for pro-police groups.

Divisive racial ad buys averaged about 44 per month from 2015 through the summer of 2016 before seeing a significant increase in the run-up to Election Day. Between September and November 2016, the number of race-related spots rose to 400. An additional 900 were posted after the November election through May 2017.

Only about 100 of the ads overtly mentioned support for Donald Trump or opposition to Hillary Clinton. A few dozen referenced questions about the U.S. election process and voting integrity, while a handful mentioned other candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush.

. . .

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/05/11/what-we-found-facebook-ads-russians-accused-election-meddling/602319002/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 14, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/the-michael-avenatti-files-court-documents-show-porn-star-lawyer-reported-8-million-windfall-in-feb-when-he-took-on-stormy



 :o  :o  :o :o  :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
Now the conspiracy includes Trump's donors?

Mueller Is Investigating Donations To Trump’s Inauguration
CHUCK ROSS
Reporter
05/11/2018

Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating foreign donations to President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee, according to a new report.

Mueller’s investigators have questioned several witnesses about millions of dollars in contributions from donors with links to Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Russia, according to ABC News.

One of the people interviewed is Thomas Barrack, a longtime Trump friend who handled financing for the president’s inaugural committee.

Barrack, a billionaire real estate investor, pulled in more than $100 million for the inauguration, ABC News reported. That was more than double what was raised for former President Obama’s inauguration in 2009.

Witnesses have been asked about Andrew Intrater, the chairman of Columbus Nova, the company revealed on May 8 to have paid longtime Trump lawyer Michael Cohen nearly $500,000 in the months after Trump’s inauguration.

Intrater is the cousin of Viktor Vekselberg, a Russian billionaire who was recently sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department. Mueller’s team interviewed Intrater and Vekselberg within the past two months.

Intrater contributed $250,000 to Trump’s swearing-in event, which both he and Vekselberg attended.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/11/mueller-trump-inauguration/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 14, 2018, 04:54:30 PM
-Not the most flattering photo. Wonder why.  ::)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=760709;image)

I prefer this one.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Director_Robert_S._Mueller-_III.jpg/330px-Director_Robert_S._Mueller-_III.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 14, 2018, 04:59:26 PM
This is how he really feels....what do you suppose he finds so funny?

(https://www.insaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Director-Mueller-at-U.S.-Embassy-in-Estonia.jpg-745x450.png)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 14, 2018, 06:55:46 PM
This is how he really feels....what do you suppose he finds so funny?

(https://www.insaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Director-Mueller-at-U.S.-Embassy-in-Estonia.jpg-745x450.png)

This is pretty funny
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 14, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
Mueller and McCabe colluded with a Russian oligarch?

Mueller may have a conflict — and it leads directly to a Russian oligarch

Special counsel Robert Mueller has withstood relentless political attacks, many distorting his record of distinguished government service.

But there’s one episode even Mueller’s former law enforcement comrades — and independent ethicists — acknowledge raises legitimate legal issues and a possible conflict of interest in his overseeing the Russia election probe.

In 2009, when Mueller ran the FBI, the bureau asked Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to spend millions of his own dollars funding an FBI-supervised operation to rescue a retired FBI agent, Robert Levinson, captured in Iran while working for the CIA in 2007.
 
Yes, that’s the same Deripaska who has surfaced in Mueller’s current investigation and who was recently sanctioned by the Trump administration.

The Levinson mission is confirmed by more than a dozen participants inside and outside the FBI, including Deripaska, his lawyer, the Levinson family and a retired agent who supervised the case. Mueller was kept apprised of the operation, officials told me.

Some aspects of Deripaska’s help were chronicled in a 2016 book by reporter Barry Meier, but sources provide extensive new information about his role.

They said FBI agents courted Deripaska in 2009 in a series of secret hotel meetings in Paris; Vienna; Budapest, Hungary, and Washington. Agents persuaded the aluminum industry magnate to underwrite the mission. The Russian billionaire insisted the operation neither involve nor harm his homeland.

“We knew he was paying for his team helping us, and that probably ran into the millions,” a U.S. official involved in the operation confirmed.

One agent who helped court Deripaska was Andrew McCabe, the recently fired FBI deputy director who played a seminal role starting the Trump-Russia case, multiple sources confirmed.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 15, 2018, 07:17:28 AM
End of article has more proof of the foolishness of this all. He laughed about the notion of Manafort/Russia colluding for election meddling.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 15, 2018, 09:42:04 AM
Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges
dailycaller.com ^ | 05/14/2018
Posted on 5/15/2018, 1:19:54 AM by Helicondelta

One of the Russian companies special counsel Robert Mueller accused of interfering in the 2016 presidential election is asking a federal judge to determine if he is engaging in a sham criminal case.

Foreign interference in the presidential election is a “make-believe crime,” Concord Management and Consulting said in a court filing Monday. The company argues the case is an example of Mueller attempting to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian — any Russian.”

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has “rejected the history and integrity of the DOJ and instead licensed a Special Counsel who for all practical political purposes cannot be fired, to indict a case that has absolutely nothing to do with any links or coordination between any candidate and the Russian Government,” Concord wrote in the court filing.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 15, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
This is pretty funny

You have quite the imagination and possibly a lust for humor.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 16, 2018, 02:57:00 AM
You have quite the imagination and possibly a lust for humor.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
Well duh.

Mueller told Trump's legal team he will not indict the president, Giuliani tells Fox News
By Samuel Chamberlain,   John Roberts   | Fox News

President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, tells Fox News that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance.

President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told Fox News on Wednesday that special counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance and not seek an indictment against Trump.

Giuliani, himself a former federal prosecutor and mayor of New York City, also told Fox News that Mueller's investigators have not responded to five information requests from the president's team. That has forced Trump's legal team to push off making a decision about whether the president will sit for an interview with the special counsel -- a decision they had hoped to reach by Thursday.

The precedent that federal prosecutors cannot indict a sitting president is laid out in a 1999 Justice Department memo. Giuliani told Fox News that Mueller has no choice but to follow its guidance.

"This case is essentially over," Giuliani said. "They're just in denial."

Giuliani joined Trump's legal team last month and has repeatedly warned that an in-person interview of the president by the special counsel's team would constitute a "perjury trap." Complicating matters, Trump himself has refused to rule out agreeing to an interview with Mueller.

In an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity earlier this month, Giuliani said that the Mueller team had ruled out allowing the Trump team to submit written answers to the special counsel's questions.

The attorney whom Giuliani replaced on Trump's team, John Dowd, has said that Mueller has floated the idea of issuing a grand jury subpoena for Trump to answer questions. If that were to occur, the president could still fight it in court or refuse to answer questions by invoking his Fifth Amendment right to protection from self-incrimination.

Giuliani said last week that the president's legal team would oppose any subpoena unless they could "reach agreement on the ground rules." He argued that Trump could invoke executive privilege, and the team would point to Justice Department opinions in fighting a subpoena and "on both law and the facts, we would have the strongest case you could imagine."

Giuliani has also noted the handover of 1.2 million documents to the Mueller team as evidence of cooperation.

Thursday marks one year after Mueller's appointment to oversee the FBI investigation into alleged collusion between Russian officials and members of the Trump campaign. So far, investigators have charged 19 people — including four Trump campaign advisers — and three Russian companies.

Both Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and his deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, have pleaded guilty and are now cooperating with the probe. Several other former White House and campaign staffers, including Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon, as well as Inauguration Day committee chairman Tom Barrack, have been interviewed.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/mueller-told-trumps-legal-team-will-not-indict-president-giuliani-tells-fox-news.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2018, 09:35:53 AM
10 Key Takeaways From The New York Times’ Error-Ridden Defense Of FBI Spying On Trump Campaign
It's reasonable to assume that much of the new information in the New York Times report relates to leakers' fears about information that will be coming out in the inspector general report.
 Mollie Hemingway By Mollie Hemingway
MAY 17, 2018
The New York Times published an article yesterday confirming the United States’ intelligence apparatus was used to spy on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.

Here are a few quick takeaways.

1. FBI Officials Admit They Spied On Trump Campaign

The New York Times‘ story, headlined “Code Name Crossfire Hurricane: The Secret Origins of the Trump Investigation,” is a dry and gentle account of the FBI’s launch of extensive surveillance of affiliates of the Trump campaign. Whereas FBI officials and media enablers had previously downplayed claims that the Trump campaign had been surveiled, in this story we learn that it was more widespread than previously acknowledged:

The F.B.I. investigated four unidentified Trump campaign aides in those early months, congressional investigators revealed in February. The four men were Michael T. Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said…

The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said.

This is a stunning admission for those Americans worried that federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies might use their powers to surveil, leak against, and target Americans simply for their political views or affiliations. As Sean Davis wrote, “The most amazing aspect about this article is how blasé it is about the fact that the Obama admin was actively spying on four affiliates of a rival political campaign weeks before an election.”

The story says the FBI was worried that if it came out they were spying on Trump campaign it would “only reinforce his claims that the election was being rigged against him.” It is easy to understand how learning that the FBI was spying on one’s presidential campaign might reinforce claims of election-rigging.

2. Terrified About Looming Inspector General Report
People leak for a variety of reasons, including to inoculate themselves as much as they can. For example, only when the secret funders of Fusion GPS’s Russia-Trump-collusion dossier were about to be revealed was their identity leaked to friendly reporters in the Washington Post. In October of 2017 was it finally reported that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee secretly paid for the Russia dossier, hiding the arrangement by funneling the money through a law firm.


The friendly reporters at the Washington Post wrote the story gently, full of reassuring quotes to downplay its significance. The information only came about because House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes subpoenaed the bank records of Fusion GPS, over the objections of Democrats on the committee. Even in this Times story, Clinton’s secret funding was not mentioned.

Likewise, the admissions in this New York Times story are coming out now, years after selective leaks to compliant reporters, just before an inspector general report detailing some of these actions is slated to be released this month. In fact, the Wall Street Journal reported that people mentioned in the report are beginning to get previews of what it alleges. It’s reasonable to assume that much of the new information in the New York Times report relates to information that will be coming out in the inspector general report.

By working with friendly reporters, these leaking FBI officials can ensure the first story about their unprecedented spying on political opponents will downplay that spying and even attempt to justify it. Of note is the story’s claim that very few people even knew about the spying on the Trump campaign in 2016, which means the leakers for this story come from a relatively small pool of people.

3. Still No Evidence of Collusion With Russia
In paragraph 69 of the lengthy story, The New York Times takes itself to task for burying the lede in its October 31, 2016, story about the FBI not finding any proof of involvement with Russian election meddling.

The key fact of the article — that the F.B.I. had opened a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign — was published in the 10th paragraph.


It is somewhat funny, then, to read what The New York Times buries in paragraph 70 of the story:

A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump’s advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts.

No evidence of collusion after two years of investigation with unlimited resources? You don’t say! What could that mean?

4. Four Trump Affiliates Spied On
Thanks to the work of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Judiciary Committee, Americans already learned that the FBI had secured a wiretap on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign official. That wiretap, which was renewed three times, was already controversial because it was secured in part through using the secretly funded opposition research document created by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee. The secret court that grants the wiretap was not told about Hillary Clinton or the DNC when the government applied for the wiretap or its renewals.

Now we learn that it wasn’t just Page, but that the government was going after four campaign affiliates including the former campaign manager, the top foreign policy advisor, and a low-level advisor whose drunken claim supposedly launched the investigation into the campaign. The bureau says Trump’s top foreign policy advisor and future national security advisor — a published critic of Russia — was surveiled because he spoke at an event in Russia sponsored by Russia Today, a government-sponsored media outlet.

5. Wiretaps, National Security Letters, and At Least One Spy

The surveillance didn’t just include wiretaps, but also national security letters and at least one government informant to spy on the campaign.:

The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. That has become a politically contentious point, with Mr. Trump’s allies questioning whether the F.B.I. was spying on the Trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials.

This paragraph is noteworthy for the way it describes spying on the campaign — “at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos” — before suggesting that might not be spying. The definition of spying is to secretly collect information, so it’s not really in dispute whether a government informant fits the bill.

Despite two years of investigation and surveillance, none of these men have been charged with anything even approaching treasonous collusion with Russia to steal a U.S. election.

6. More Leaks About a Top-Secret Government Informant
The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence recently subpoenaed information from the FBI and Department of Justice. They did not publicly reveal what information they sought, but the Department of Justice responded by claiming that they were being extorted by congressional oversight. Then they leaked that they couldn’t share the information because it would jeopardize the life of a government informant. They also waged a public relations battle against HPSCI Chairman Nunes and committee staff.

But far from holding the information close to the vest, the government has repeatedly leaked information about this informant, and even that it was information about an informant that was being sought by Congress. From leaks of personally identifying information to the Washington Post, we’ve learned that this source works with the FBI and CIA, and is a U.S. citizen.

In The New York Times, additional information about a government informant leaked, including that the source met with Papadopoulos and Page to collect information. The information on an alleged source in the Trump campaign is so sensitive they can’t give it to Congress, but they can leak it to friendly press outlets like the Post and Times. It’s an odd posture for the Justice Department to take.

It is unknown at this point whether the informants were specifically sent by a U.S. agency or global partner, or whether the sources voluntarily provided information to the U.S. government.

7. Ignorance of Basic Facts
One thing that is surprising about the story is how many errors it contains. The problems begin in the second sentence, which claims Peter Strzok and another FBI agent were sent to London. The New York Times reports that “[t]heir assignment, which has not been previously reported, was to meet the Australian ambassador, who had evidence that one of Donald J. Trump’s advisers knew in advance about Russian election meddling.”

Of course, it was previously reported that Strzok had a meeting with the Australian ambassador. He describes the embassy where the meeting took place as the longest continually staffed embassy in London. The ambassador was previously reported to have had some information about a Trump advisor saying he’d heard that Russia had Clinton’s emails.

Another New York Times error was the claim, repeated twice, that Page ‘had previously been recruited by Russian spies.’
It’s also inaccurate to say this was “election meddling,” necessarily. Clinton had deleted 30,000 emails that were housed on her private server even though she was being investigated for mishandling classified information. This could be viewed as destruction of evidence. She claimed the emails had to do with yoga.

FBI Director James Comey specifically downplayed for the public the bureau’s belief that foreign countries had access to these emails. There is no evidence that Russia or any other country had these emails, and they were not released during the campaign. To describe this legitimate national security threat as “election meddling” is insufficient to the very problem for which Clinton was being investigated.

The story claims, “News organizations did not publish Mr. Steele’s reports or reveal the F.B.I.’s interest in them until after Election Day.” That’s demonstrably untrue. Here’s an October 31, 2016, story headlined “A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump.” It is sourced entirely to Steele. In September, Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff took a meeting with Steele then published “U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin” on September 23, 2016. That story was even used in the Foreign Intelligence Service Act application against Page.

The New York Times writes, “Crossfire Hurricane began exactly 100 days before the presidential election, but if agents were eager to investigate Mr. Trump’s campaign, as the president has suggested, the messages do not reveal it. ‘I cannot believe we are seriously looking at these allegations and the pervasive connections,’ Mr. Strzok wrote soon after returning from London.”

There are multiple problems with this claim. For one, Strzok wrote that text in all caps with obvious eagerness. As the Wall Street Journal noted months ago, “Mr. Strzok emphasized the seriousness with which he viewed the allegations in a message to Ms. Page on Aug. 11, just a few days before the ‘insurance’ text. ‘OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE PERVASIVE CONNECTIONS,’ he texted.”

For another, Strzok repeatedly talked about how important and time-sensitive he felt the investigation was. As Andrew McCarthy highlighted in his deep look at some of these texts, as Strzok prepared for his morning flight to London, he compared the investigations of Clinton and Trump by writing, “And damn this feels momentous. Because this matters. The other one did, too, but that was to ensure that we didn’t F something up. This matters because this MATTERS.”

Another New York Times error was the claim, repeated twice, that Page “had previously been recruited by Russian spies.” In fact, while Russian agents had tried to recruit him, they failed to do so, and Page spoke at length with the FBI about the attempt before the agents were arrested or kicked out of the country.

The New York Times falsely reported that “Mr. Comey met with Mr. Trump privately, revealing the Steele reports and warning that journalists had obtained them.” Comey has told multiple journalists that he specifically did not brief Trump on the Steele reports. He didn’t tell Trump there were reports, or who funded them. He didn’t tell him about the claims in the reports that the campaign was compromised. He only told him that there was a rumor Trump had paid prostitutes to urinate on a Moscow hotel bed that the Obamas had once slept in.

The story also repeats long-debunked claims about the Republican platform and Ukraine.

8. Insurance: How Does It Work?
The story reminds readers that Strzok once texted Page “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected, but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.” The article says Trump thought this “insurance policy” referred to a plan to respond to the unlikely event of a Trump victory. It goes on:

But officials have told the inspector general something quite different. They said Ms. Page and others advocated a slower, circumspect pace, especially because polls predicted Mr. Trump’s defeat. They said that anything the F.B.I. did publicly would only give fodder to Mr. Trump’s claims on the campaign trail that the election was rigged.

Mr. Strzok countered that even if Mr. Trump’s chances of victory were low — like dying before 40 — the stakes were too high to justify inaction.

It’s worth asking whether reporters understand how insurance works. As reader Matt noted, “The fundament intent of Insurance is ‘Indemnification.’ Restoring back to original condition prior to loss. Trump was the peril, MSM the adjuster & his impeachment, the policy limits.”

The article’s repeated claims that the FBI didn’t think Trump would win do not counter the notion that an “insurance policy” investigation was in the extremely rare case he might win. People don’t insure their property against fire damage because they expect it to happen so much as they can’t afford to fix things if it does happen.

9. Eavesdropping, Not Spying, And Other Friendly Claims
The story could not be friendlier to the FBI sources who are admitting what they did against the Trump campaign. A few examples:

“[P]rosecutors obtained court approval to eavesdrop on Mr. Page,” The New York Times writes, making the wiretapped spying on an American citizen sound almost downright pleasant. When Comey briefs Trump only on the rumor about the prostitutes and urination, we’re told “he feared making this conversation a ‘J. Edgar Hoover-type situation,’ with the F.B.I. presenting embarrassing information to lord over a president-elect.” Reporters don’t ask, much less answer, why someone fearing a J. Edgar Hoover-type situation would go out of his way to create an extreme caricature of a J. Edgar Hoover situation.

The story also claimed, “they kept details from political appointees across the street at the Justice Department,” before using controversial political appointee Sally Yates to claim that there was nothing worrisome. In fact, the subtext of the entire story is that the FBI showed good judgment in its handling of the spying in 2016. Unfortunately, the on-the-record source used to substantiate this claim is Yates.

Yates, who was in the news for claiming with a straight face that she thought Flynn had committed a Logan Act violation, is quoted as saying, “Folks are very, very careful and serious about that [FISA] process. I don’t know of anything that gives me any concerns.” If Yates, who had to be fired for refusing to do her job under Trump, tells you things are on the up and up, apparently you can take it to the bank.

10. Affirms Fears of Politicized Intelligence
This New York Times story may have been designed to inoculate the FBI against revelations coming out of the inspector general report, but the net result was to affirm the fears of many Americans who are worried that the U.S. government’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies abused their powers to surveil and target Americans simply for their political views and affiliations. The gathered information has been leaked to media for years, leading to damaged reputations, and the launch of limitless probes, but not any reason to believe that Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election.

Mollie Ziegler Hemingway is a senior editor at The Federalist. Follow her on Twitter at @mzhemingway
Photo Torrenegra / Flickr
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2018, 01:10:48 PM
10 Key Takeaways From The New York Times’ Error-Ridden Defense Of FBI Spying On Trump Campaign
It's reasonable to assume that much of the new information in the New York Times report relates to leakers' fears about information that will be coming out in the inspector general report.
 Mollie Hemingway By Mollie Hemingway
MAY 17, 2018
The New York Times published an article yesterday confirming the United States’ intelligence apparatus was used to spy on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.

Here are a few quick takeaways.

1. FBI Officials Admit They Spied On Trump Campaign

The New York Times‘ story, headlined “Code Name Crossfire Hurricane: The Secret Origins of the Trump Investigation,” is a dry and gentle account of the FBI’s launch of extensive surveillance of affiliates of the Trump campaign. Whereas FBI officials and media enablers had previously downplayed claims that the Trump campaign had been surveiled, in this story we learn that it was more widespread than previously acknowledged:

The F.B.I. investigated four unidentified Trump campaign aides in those early months, congressional investigators revealed in February. The four men were Michael T. Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said…

The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said.

This is a stunning admission for those Americans worried that federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies might use their powers to surveil, leak against, and target Americans simply for their political views or affiliations. As Sean Davis wrote, “The most amazing aspect about this article is how blasé it is about the fact that the Obama admin was actively spying on four affiliates of a rival political campaign weeks before an election.”

The story says the FBI was worried that if it came out they were spying on Trump campaign it would “only reinforce his claims that the election was being rigged against him.” It is easy to understand how learning that the FBI was spying on one’s presidential campaign might reinforce claims of election-rigging.

2. Terrified About Looming Inspector General Report
People leak for a variety of reasons, including to inoculate themselves as much as they can. For example, only when the secret funders of Fusion GPS’s Russia-Trump-collusion dossier were about to be revealed was their identity leaked to friendly reporters in the Washington Post. In October of 2017 was it finally reported that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee secretly paid for the Russia dossier, hiding the arrangement by funneling the money through a law firm.


The friendly reporters at the Washington Post wrote the story gently, full of reassuring quotes to downplay its significance. The information only came about because House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes subpoenaed the bank records of Fusion GPS, over the objections of Democrats on the committee. Even in this Times story, Clinton’s secret funding was not mentioned.

Likewise, the admissions in this New York Times story are coming out now, years after selective leaks to compliant reporters, just before an inspector general report detailing some of these actions is slated to be released this month. In fact, the Wall Street Journal reported that people mentioned in the report are beginning to get previews of what it alleges. It’s reasonable to assume that much of the new information in the New York Times report relates to information that will be coming out in the inspector general report.

By working with friendly reporters, these leaking FBI officials can ensure the first story about their unprecedented spying on political opponents will downplay that spying and even attempt to justify it. Of note is the story’s claim that very few people even knew about the spying on the Trump campaign in 2016, which means the leakers for this story come from a relatively small pool of people.

3. Still No Evidence of Collusion With Russia
In paragraph 69 of the lengthy story, The New York Times takes itself to task for burying the lede in its October 31, 2016, story about the FBI not finding any proof of involvement with Russian election meddling.

The key fact of the article — that the F.B.I. had opened a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign — was published in the 10th paragraph.


It is somewhat funny, then, to read what The New York Times buries in paragraph 70 of the story:

A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump’s advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts.

No evidence of collusion after two years of investigation with unlimited resources? You don’t say! What could that mean?

4. Four Trump Affiliates Spied On
Thanks to the work of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Judiciary Committee, Americans already learned that the FBI had secured a wiretap on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign official. That wiretap, which was renewed three times, was already controversial because it was secured in part through using the secretly funded opposition research document created by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee. The secret court that grants the wiretap was not told about Hillary Clinton or the DNC when the government applied for the wiretap or its renewals.

Now we learn that it wasn’t just Page, but that the government was going after four campaign affiliates including the former campaign manager, the top foreign policy advisor, and a low-level advisor whose drunken claim supposedly launched the investigation into the campaign. The bureau says Trump’s top foreign policy advisor and future national security advisor — a published critic of Russia — was surveiled because he spoke at an event in Russia sponsored by Russia Today, a government-sponsored media outlet.

5. Wiretaps, National Security Letters, and At Least One Spy

The surveillance didn’t just include wiretaps, but also national security letters and at least one government informant to spy on the campaign.:

The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. That has become a politically contentious point, with Mr. Trump’s allies questioning whether the F.B.I. was spying on the Trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials.

This paragraph is noteworthy for the way it describes spying on the campaign — “at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos” — before suggesting that might not be spying. The definition of spying is to secretly collect information, so it’s not really in dispute whether a government informant fits the bill.

Despite two years of investigation and surveillance, none of these men have been charged with anything even approaching treasonous collusion with Russia to steal a U.S. election.

6. More Leaks About a Top-Secret Government Informant
The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence recently subpoenaed information from the FBI and Department of Justice. They did not publicly reveal what information they sought, but the Department of Justice responded by claiming that they were being extorted by congressional oversight. Then they leaked that they couldn’t share the information because it would jeopardize the life of a government informant. They also waged a public relations battle against HPSCI Chairman Nunes and committee staff.

But far from holding the information close to the vest, the government has repeatedly leaked information about this informant, and even that it was information about an informant that was being sought by Congress. From leaks of personally identifying information to the Washington Post, we’ve learned that this source works with the FBI and CIA, and is a U.S. citizen.

In The New York Times, additional information about a government informant leaked, including that the source met with Papadopoulos and Page to collect information. The information on an alleged source in the Trump campaign is so sensitive they can’t give it to Congress, but they can leak it to friendly press outlets like the Post and Times. It’s an odd posture for the Justice Department to take.

It is unknown at this point whether the informants were specifically sent by a U.S. agency or global partner, or whether the sources voluntarily provided information to the U.S. government.

7. Ignorance of Basic Facts
One thing that is surprising about the story is how many errors it contains. The problems begin in the second sentence, which claims Peter Strzok and another FBI agent were sent to London. The New York Times reports that “[t]heir assignment, which has not been previously reported, was to meet the Australian ambassador, who had evidence that one of Donald J. Trump’s advisers knew in advance about Russian election meddling.”

Of course, it was previously reported that Strzok had a meeting with the Australian ambassador. He describes the embassy where the meeting took place as the longest continually staffed embassy in London. The ambassador was previously reported to have had some information about a Trump advisor saying he’d heard that Russia had Clinton’s emails.

Another New York Times error was the claim, repeated twice, that Page ‘had previously been recruited by Russian spies.’
It’s also inaccurate to say this was “election meddling,” necessarily. Clinton had deleted 30,000 emails that were housed on her private server even though she was being investigated for mishandling classified information. This could be viewed as destruction of evidence. She claimed the emails had to do with yoga.

FBI Director James Comey specifically downplayed for the public the bureau’s belief that foreign countries had access to these emails. There is no evidence that Russia or any other country had these emails, and they were not released during the campaign. To describe this legitimate national security threat as “election meddling” is insufficient to the very problem for which Clinton was being investigated.

The story claims, “News organizations did not publish Mr. Steele’s reports or reveal the F.B.I.’s interest in them until after Election Day.” That’s demonstrably untrue. Here’s an October 31, 2016, story headlined “A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump.” It is sourced entirely to Steele. In September, Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff took a meeting with Steele then published “U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin” on September 23, 2016. That story was even used in the Foreign Intelligence Service Act application against Page.

The New York Times writes, “Crossfire Hurricane began exactly 100 days before the presidential election, but if agents were eager to investigate Mr. Trump’s campaign, as the president has suggested, the messages do not reveal it. ‘I cannot believe we are seriously looking at these allegations and the pervasive connections,’ Mr. Strzok wrote soon after returning from London.”

There are multiple problems with this claim. For one, Strzok wrote that text in all caps with obvious eagerness. As the Wall Street Journal noted months ago, “Mr. Strzok emphasized the seriousness with which he viewed the allegations in a message to Ms. Page on Aug. 11, just a few days before the ‘insurance’ text. ‘OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE PERVASIVE CONNECTIONS,’ he texted.”

For another, Strzok repeatedly talked about how important and time-sensitive he felt the investigation was. As Andrew McCarthy highlighted in his deep look at some of these texts, as Strzok prepared for his morning flight to London, he compared the investigations of Clinton and Trump by writing, “And damn this feels momentous. Because this matters. The other one did, too, but that was to ensure that we didn’t F something up. This matters because this MATTERS.”

Another New York Times error was the claim, repeated twice, that Page “had previously been recruited by Russian spies.” In fact, while Russian agents had tried to recruit him, they failed to do so, and Page spoke at length with the FBI about the attempt before the agents were arrested or kicked out of the country.

The New York Times falsely reported that “Mr. Comey met with Mr. Trump privately, revealing the Steele reports and warning that journalists had obtained them.” Comey has told multiple journalists that he specifically did not brief Trump on the Steele reports. He didn’t tell Trump there were reports, or who funded them. He didn’t tell him about the claims in the reports that the campaign was compromised. He only told him that there was a rumor Trump had paid prostitutes to urinate on a Moscow hotel bed that the Obamas had once slept in.

The story also repeats long-debunked claims about the Republican platform and Ukraine.

8. Insurance: How Does It Work?
The story reminds readers that Strzok once texted Page “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected, but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.” The article says Trump thought this “insurance policy” referred to a plan to respond to the unlikely event of a Trump victory. It goes on:

But officials have told the inspector general something quite different. They said Ms. Page and others advocated a slower, circumspect pace, especially because polls predicted Mr. Trump’s defeat. They said that anything the F.B.I. did publicly would only give fodder to Mr. Trump’s claims on the campaign trail that the election was rigged.

Mr. Strzok countered that even if Mr. Trump’s chances of victory were low — like dying before 40 — the stakes were too high to justify inaction.

It’s worth asking whether reporters understand how insurance works. As reader Matt noted, “The fundament intent of Insurance is ‘Indemnification.’ Restoring back to original condition prior to loss. Trump was the peril, MSM the adjuster & his impeachment, the policy limits.”

The article’s repeated claims that the FBI didn’t think Trump would win do not counter the notion that an “insurance policy” investigation was in the extremely rare case he might win. People don’t insure their property against fire damage because they expect it to happen so much as they can’t afford to fix things if it does happen.

9. Eavesdropping, Not Spying, And Other Friendly Claims
The story could not be friendlier to the FBI sources who are admitting what they did against the Trump campaign. A few examples:

“[P]rosecutors obtained court approval to eavesdrop on Mr. Page,” The New York Times writes, making the wiretapped spying on an American citizen sound almost downright pleasant. When Comey briefs Trump only on the rumor about the prostitutes and urination, we’re told “he feared making this conversation a ‘J. Edgar Hoover-type situation,’ with the F.B.I. presenting embarrassing information to lord over a president-elect.” Reporters don’t ask, much less answer, why someone fearing a J. Edgar Hoover-type situation would go out of his way to create an extreme caricature of a J. Edgar Hoover situation.

The story also claimed, “they kept details from political appointees across the street at the Justice Department,” before using controversial political appointee Sally Yates to claim that there was nothing worrisome. In fact, the subtext of the entire story is that the FBI showed good judgment in its handling of the spying in 2016. Unfortunately, the on-the-record source used to substantiate this claim is Yates.

Yates, who was in the news for claiming with a straight face that she thought Flynn had committed a Logan Act violation, is quoted as saying, “Folks are very, very careful and serious about that [FISA] process. I don’t know of anything that gives me any concerns.” If Yates, who had to be fired for refusing to do her job under Trump, tells you things are on the up and up, apparently you can take it to the bank.

10. Affirms Fears of Politicized Intelligence
This New York Times story may have been designed to inoculate the FBI against revelations coming out of the inspector general report, but the net result was to affirm the fears of many Americans who are worried that the U.S. government’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies abused their powers to surveil and target Americans simply for their political views and affiliations. The gathered information has been leaked to media for years, leading to damaged reputations, and the launch of limitless probes, but not any reason to believe that Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election.

Mollie Ziegler Hemingway is a senior editor at The Federalist. Follow her on Twitter at @mzhemingway
Photo Torrenegra / Flickr

Holy smokes.  Staggering amount of corruption.  And to think we would have never known any of this had Clinton won or Democrats been in control of Congress.  I'm not holding my breath, but somebody needs to go to jail. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 17, 2018, 01:48:51 PM
Well duh.

Mueller told Trump's legal team he will not indict the president, Giuliani tells Fox News
By Samuel Chamberlain,   John Roberts   | Fox News

President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, tells Fox News that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance.

President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told Fox News on Wednesday that special counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance and not seek an indictment against Trump.

Giuliani, himself a former federal prosecutor and mayor of New York City, also told Fox News that Mueller's investigators have not responded to five information requests from the president's team. That has forced Trump's legal team to push off making a decision about whether the president will sit for an interview with the special counsel -- a decision they had hoped to reach by Thursday.

The precedent that federal prosecutors cannot indict a sitting president is laid out in a 1999 Justice Department memo. Giuliani told Fox News that Mueller has no choice but to follow its guidance.

"This case is essentially over," Giuliani said. "They're just in denial."

Giuliani joined Trump's legal team last month and has repeatedly warned that an in-person interview of the president by the special counsel's team would constitute a "perjury trap." Complicating matters, Trump himself has refused to rule out agreeing to an interview with Mueller.

In an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity earlier this month, Giuliani said that the Mueller team had ruled out allowing the Trump team to submit written answers to the special counsel's questions.

The attorney whom Giuliani replaced on Trump's team, John Dowd, has said that Mueller has floated the idea of issuing a grand jury subpoena for Trump to answer questions. If that were to occur, the president could still fight it in court or refuse to answer questions by invoking his Fifth Amendment right to protection from self-incrimination.

Giuliani said last week that the president's legal team would oppose any subpoena unless they could "reach agreement on the ground rules." He argued that Trump could invoke executive privilege, and the team would point to Justice Department opinions in fighting a subpoena and "on both law and the facts, we would have the strongest case you could imagine."

Giuliani has also noted the handover of 1.2 million documents to the Mueller team as evidence of cooperation.

Thursday marks one year after Mueller's appointment to oversee the FBI investigation into alleged collusion between Russian officials and members of the Trump campaign. So far, investigators have charged 19 people — including four Trump campaign advisers — and three Russian companies.

Both Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and his deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, have pleaded guilty and are now cooperating with the probe. Several other former White House and campaign staffers, including Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon, as well as Inauguration Day committee chairman Tom Barrack, have been interviewed.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/mueller-told-trumps-legal-team-will-not-indict-president-giuliani-tells-fox-news.html

If Rudy Giuliani says it then it must be true.  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 17, 2018, 01:56:26 PM
Holy smokes.  Staggering amount of corruption.  And to think we would have never known any of this had Clinton won or Democrats been in control of Congress.  I'm not holding my breath, but somebody needs to go to jail. 

I'm glad that you aren't holding your breath. I hate it when people suffocate to death using their own volition.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
If Rudy Giuliani says it then it must be true.  ::)

Especially if Rudy is relying on the DOJ's own policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2018, 02:46:30 PM
I'm glad that you aren't holding your breath. I hate it when people suffocate to death using their own volition.

Only us little people go to jail for the most part.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2018, 04:14:48 PM
Report: Inspector General Will Declare FBI, DOJ Broke Law in Clinton Email Probe
breitbart ^ | Joshua Caplan
Posted on 5/17/2018, 3:31:50 PM by davikkm

A new report suggests an imminent Inspector General (IG) report may rule that FBI and Justice Department officials broke the law in their handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. Investigative reporter Paul Sperry said Thursday that Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has “found ‘reasonable grounds’ for believing there has been a violation of federal criminal law in the FBI/DOJ’s handling of the Clinton investigation/s,” adding that the top watchdog official has “referred his findings of potential criminal misconduct to Huber for possible criminal prosecution.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 17, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Only us little people go to jail for the most part.

Yes, I know this well. Did my one and only night in jail when I was 18. My best friend and I were arrested at the same time. We were just kids. The Santa Monica police had some laughs at our expense. Fortunately, we were never charged with anything, which is fair since we committed no crime. Pretty sure if we'd been a bit older and wiser, the cops would have acted differently....you never know.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: James on May 18, 2018, 12:09:24 AM
Bombshell CRIMINAL Referrals have been made Tonight @JoeDigenova on Tucker said Brennan needs to lawyer up ASAP



Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 21, 2018, 05:36:46 PM
The amount of corruption and misconduct by Obama and his administration is staggering.  There is so much it's hard to focus on one thing.  I knew DC was corrupt, but I didn't realize it this bad. 

Did The Obama Administration Spy On Trump Using Flimsy Evidence? Let’s Find Out
After all, if the DOJ is incorruptible, there's nothing to worry about.
David Harsanyi By David Harsanyi
MAY 21, 2018

If the Justice Department and FBI are, as we’ve been told incessantly over the past year, not merely patriots but consummate professionals incapable of being distracted by partisanship or petty Washington intrigues, why are Donald Trump’s antagonists freaking out over the fact that an inspector general will assess whether political motivation tainted an investigation into the president’s campaign? The American people should get a full accounting of what transpired during 2016. Isn’t that what we’ve been hearing since the election?

You believe Trump is corrupt. I get it. But surely anyone who alleges to be concerned about the sanctity of our institutions and rule of law would have some cursory curiosity about whether an investigation by the administration of one major party into the presidential campaign of another major party was grounded in direct evidence rather than fabulist rumor-mongering. Otherwise, any administration, including Trump’s, could initiate an investigation for whatever cooked-up superficial reason it wanted.

Then, when a constitutionally empowered oversight committee demanded information about that investigation, the DOJ could accuse it of “extortion” and stonewall for years.

I don’t know if there’s a big conspiracy by the deep state. But it’s pretty obvious to me that leaders of our institutions aren’t above engaging in spying. John Brennan spied on the legislative branch and lied about it to the American people. James Clapper spied on the American people through a domestic surveillance program and lied about it to Congress. Although the Obama administration never tweeted nasty attacks on journalists, it did spy on and prosecute them. It’s completely plausible that those in the upper echelon of law enforcement saw Trump as a threat, then used wobbly evidence as the pretext to investigate his campaign. If not, it’ll be good to clear their names.

“FBI used informant to investigate Russia ties to campaign, not to spy, as Trump claims,” read a truly silly New York Times headline last week. You can call it whatever makes you happy, but in the real world the act of furtively gathering information about someone else is called “spying.”

The Washington Post reported, for instance, that the informant was surreptitiously seeking information by “seeking out and meeting three different Trump campaign officials.” The spy, according to the piece, had contacts with the CIA. This is unprecedented. Why shouldn’t we find out if the reasons that girded the investigation were sound?

Perhaps all of this will lead to nothing exciting. Perhaps the competing narratives that have sprung up around Trump and Russia will end far less dramatically than either of their champions hope. But when “rule of law” enthusiasts keep arguing the DOJ is “independent” of the president, then turn around and argue that a congressional oversight committee shouldn’t have the right to ask the executive branch for documents pertaining to their inquiry, one begins to suspect that perhaps some of the hyperbolic rhetoric we’ve been hearing over the past two years has been little more than partisanship.

Most of those arguing that Trump is attacking the “constitutional system,” by demanding the DOJ investigate its conduct, know well that he has full authority to do so. Many sat quietly for eight years of executive abuse. It’s not as if the president instructed the DOJ to stop following the law, after all. He had as much ammunition to ask for an investigation as Democrats had when asking for a special counsel.

Presidents ask the DOJ to do all kinds of things all the time. If the attorney general doesn’t like it, he can resign. If the folks running the DOJ or FBI don’t like it, they can quit. If Congress doesn’t like it, they can impeach the president. That’s the “constitutional system” every president, including Trump, functions under.

Is Trump pushing the issue for political reasons? Of course. If Mueller doesn’t come back with any evidence of collusion — and all the other indictments and criminality he’s found matter, of course, but they have nothing to do with the impetus for the investigation —  it will be all the more important to figure out what the previous administration was up to. Precedent and history matter.

The New York Times recently ran a 4,000-word ostensible overview of the FBI’s Trump–Russia probe, which fed the impression that investigators were tougher on a hapless Hillary Clinton, whose accidental blunders and honest mistakes ruined her chances of election, but ignored Trump’s nefarious ties to a foreign power. The problem with this tale, as it stands now, is that there was an abundance of evidence suggesting that Clinton was engaged in criminal activity — sending numerous classified and top secret documents over unsecured servers, destroying evidence, etc.

Comey claimed he couldn’t prove intent. Now perhaps Mueller will bring the goods at some point. But to this point, there has not been any evidence to back up the hysteria that followed 2016. It’s completely reasonable to find out what prompted it.

If, as I’ve been assured by numerous smart people, the FBI and DOJ would never ever engage in such partisanship or recklessness — or maybe ineptitude — then a methodical accounting of events leading up to the special counsel investigation would help them.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/21/obama-administration-spy-trump-using-flimsy-evidence-lets-find/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 22, 2018, 04:54:24 AM
Another 'informant' attempted to infiltrate Trump campaign under Obama, campaign aide says
Fox News ^ | May 22 2018 | Gregg Re
Posted on 5/22/2018, 6:14:53 AM by knighthawk

At least one additional government 'informant' attempted to infiltrate the Trump campaign under President Obama, former Trump campaign aide Michael Caputo revealed exclusively on Fox News' "The Ingraham Angle" Monday night.

"Let me tell you something that I know for a fact," Caputo told host Laura Ingraham. "This informant, this person that they tried to plant into the campaign -- and even into the administration, if you believe Axios -- he's not the only person who came at the campaign. And the FBI is not the only Obama agency who came at the campaign.

"I know because they came at me," Caputo added. "And I'm looking for clearance from my attorney to reveal this to the public. This is just the beginning."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 11:50:25 AM
Very long but informative timeline. 

“Collusion against Trump” timeline
by sattkisson   on May 20, 2018
https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/05/20/collusion-against-trump-timeline/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 22, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
It seems the Washington Post has named someone they claim is the informant (or one of a number of informants):

Who is Stefan A. Halper, the FBI source who assisted the Russia investigation?

Stefan A. Halper, the FBI source who assisted the Russia investigation and is at the center of a standoff between congressional Republicans and the Justice Department, is a well-connected veteran of past GOP administrations who convened senior intelligence officials for seminars at the University of Cambridge in England.

[...]

After the 1980 race, Halper was caught up in a scandal concerning alleged political spying. Aides to Reagan, including Halper, were accused of having spied on Carter’s campaign and obtaining private documents that Carter was using to prepare for a debate. Some Reagan White House officials later alleged that Halper had used former CIA agents to run an operation against Carter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-is-stefan-a-halper-the-fbi-source-who-assisted-the-russia-investigation/2018/05/21/22c46caa-5d42-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2018, 12:31:10 PM
thou doth protest too much
Overly insistent about something, to the point where the opposite is most likely true.
Someone emphatically stating how much one hates gossiping, that one would never engage in this sort of behavior. This implies that, "thou doth protest too much" and may in fact be a gossip.
#twoface#liar#bluffing#manipulative#unreliable

This is also the definition of Trump's behavior.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 01:44:42 PM
thou doth protest too much
Overly insistent about something, to the point where the opposite is most likely true.
Someone emphatically stating how much one hates gossiping, that one would never engage in this sort of behavior. This implies that, "thou doth protest too much" and may in fact be a gossip.
#twoface#liar#bluffing#manipulative#unreliable

This is also the definition of Trump's behavior.

Oh that's absurd.  He has every right to be screaming bloody murder.  The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and used Clinton/DNC/Russian unverified opposition research to do so.  And now it turns out they had one and possibly two spies in the Trump campaign being paid by the FBI??  Are you kidding me? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 22, 2018, 02:11:31 PM
Oh that's absurd.  He has every right to be screaming bloody murder.  The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and used Clinton/DNC/Russian unverified opposition research to do so.  And now it turns out they had one and possibly two spies in the Trump campaign being paid by the FBI??  Are you kidding me? 
That's what they are reduced to as more and more comes out. "He keeps saying he is innocent so he must be guilty!"
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 02:14:39 PM
That's what they are reduced to as more and more comes out. "He keeps saying he is innocent so he must be guilty!"

Not only that, but you have people like Clapper saying it was a "good thing" to have a spy in the Trump campaign.  Unbelievable. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
OK? So the FBI does it's job and investigates possible illegal activity and that's wrong?

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.  Read the link I just posted in this thread and get back to me.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Not only that, but you have people like Clapper saying it was a "good thing" to have a spy in the Trump campaign.  Unbelievable. 

Candidates and their campaign managers violate election ethics and are sometimes exposed and fined. It might be wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if all candidates played by the same rules? It's disturbing to realize the person you voted for is unethical and a liar. Oh, wait!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 03:30:50 PM
Candidates and their campaign managers violate election ethics and are sometimes exposed and fined. It might be wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if all candidates played by the same rules? It's disturbing to realize the person you voted for is unethical and a liar. Oh, wait!

You knew Hillary Clinton was an unethical liar before you voted for her. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
Get back to you? You're not my boyfriend.


Bruh.  Go back under the rock you climbed out from under. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 22, 2018, 05:15:49 PM
The lib snowflakes didn't want to believe Trump could beat Hillary. He did.
Trump supporters refuse to believe this Mueller investigation and Stormy Daniels type
sex scandals are a real problem. They are.

Ridiclue and joking about the real damage being done isn't what the Trumpers want to hear.
Holding your head in the sand won't make it go away.


This is a crazy time. I'm not sure we've ever experienced anything like it before. Watergate and Whitewater pale by comparison, plus they're water under the bridge.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2018, 05:05:37 PM
The plot sickens.  What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Grassley rips Strzok-Page redactions amid mystery text: Obama 'White House is running this'
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman   | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/23/grassley-rips-strzok-page-redactions-amid-mystery-text-obama-white-house-is-running-this.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2018, 10:11:54 AM
8 signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump's campaign
BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/23/18
 
It may be true that President Trump illegally conspired with Russia and was so good at covering it up he’s managed to outwit our best intel and media minds who've searched for irrefutable evidence for two years. (We still await special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings.)

But there’s a growing appearance of alleged wrongdoing equally as insidious, if not more so, because it implies widespread misuse of America’s intelligence and law enforcement apparatus.

Here are eight signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump for political reasons.

Code name

The operation reportedly had at least one code name that was leaked to The New York Times: “Crossfire Hurricane.”

Wiretap fever

Secret surveillance was conducted on no fewer than seven Trump associates: chief strategist Stephen Bannon; lawyer Michael Cohen; national security adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn; adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner; campaign chairman Paul Manafort; and campaign foreign policy advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

The FBI reportedly applied for a secret warrant in June 2016 to monitor Manafort, Page, Papadopoulos and Flynn. If true, it means the FBI targeted Flynn six months before his much-debated conversation with Russia’s ambassador, Sergey Kislyak.

The FBI applied four times to wiretap Page after he became a Trump campaign adviser starting in July 2016. Page’s office is connected to Trump Tower and he reports having spent “many hours in Trump Tower.”

CNN reported that Manafort was wiretapped before and after the election “including during a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Trump.” Manafort reportedly has a residence in Trump Tower.

Electronic surveillance was used to listen in on three Trump transition officials in Trump Tower — Flynn, Bannon and Kushner — as they met in an official capacity with the United Arab Emirates’ crown prince.

The FBI also reportedly wiretapped Flynn’s phone conversation with Kislyak on Dec. 31, 2016, as part of “routine surveillance” of Kislyak.

NBC recently reported that Cohen, Trump’s personal attorney, was wiretapped. NBC later corrected the story, saying Cohen was the subject of a “pen register” used to monitor phone numbers and, possibly, internet communications.

National security letters

Another controversial tool reportedly used by the FBI to obtain phone records and other documents in the investigation were national security letters, which bypass judicial approval.

Improper use of such letters has been an ongoing theme at the FBI. Reviews by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General found widespread misuse under Mueller — who was then FBI director — and said officials failed to report instances of abuses as required.

Unmasking

“Unmasking” — identifying protected names of Americans captured by government surveillance — was frequently deployed by at least four top Obama officials who have subsequently spoken out against President Trump: James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence; Samantha Power, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations; Susan Rice, former national security adviser; Sally Yates, former deputy attorney general.

Names of Americans caught communicating with monitored foreign targets must be “masked,” or hidden within government agencies, so the names cannot be misused or shared.

However, it’s been revealed that Power made near-daily unmasking requests in 2016.

Prior to that revelation, Clapper claimed ignorance. When asked if he knew of unmasking requests by any ambassador, including Power, he testified: “I don't know. Maybe it's ringing a vague bell but I'm not — I could not answer with any confidence.”

Rice admitted to asking for unmasked names of U.S. citizens in intelligence reports after initially claiming no knowledge of any such thing.

Clapper also admitted to requesting the unmasking of “Mr. Trump, his associates or any members of Congress.” Clapper and Yates admitted they also personally reviewed unmasked documents and shared unmasked material with other officials.

Changing the rules

On Dec. 15, 2016 — the same day the government listened in on Trump officials at Trump Tower — Rice reportedly unmasked the names of Bannon, Kushner and Flynn. And Clapper made a new rule allowing the National Security Agency to widely disseminate surveillance material within the government without the normal privacy protections.

Media strategy

Former CIA Director John Brennan and Clapper, two of the most integral intel officials in this ongoing controversy, have joined national news organizations where they have regular opportunities to shape the news narrative — including on the very issues under investigation.

Clapper reportedly secretly leaked salacious political opposition research against Trump to CNN in fall 2017 and later was hired as a CNN political analyst. In February, Brennan was hired as a paid analyst for MSNBC.

Leaks

There’s been a steady and apparently orchestrated campaign of leaks — some true, some false, but nearly all of them damaging to President Trump’s interests.

A few of the notable leaks include word that Flynn was wiretapped, the anti-Trump “Steele dossier” of political opposition research, then-FBI Director James Comey briefing Trump on it, private Comey conversations with Trump, Comey’s memos recording those conversations and criticizing Trump, the subpoena of Trump’s personal bank records (which proved false) and Flynn planning to testify against Trump (which also proved to be false).

Friends, informants and snoops

The FBI reportedly used one-time CIA operative Stefan Halper in 2016 as an informant to spy on Trump officials.

Another player is Comey friend Daniel Richman, a Columbia University law professor, who leaked Comey’s memos against Trump to The New York Times after Comey was fired. We later learned that Richman actually worked for the FBI under a status called “Special Government Employee.”

The FBI used former reporter Glenn Simpson, his political opposition research firm Fusion GPS, and ex-British spy Christopher Steele to compile allegations against Trump, largely from Russian sources, which were distributed to the press and used as part of wiretap applications.

These eight features of a counterintelligence operation are only the pieces we know. It can be assumed there’s much we don’t yet know. And it may help explain why there’s so much material that the Department of Justice hasn’t easily handed over to congressional investigators.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/388978-growing-signs-of-a-counterintelligence-operation-deployed-against-trumps
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 24, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Good analysis.

Can Trump lawfully investigate his investigators?

This past weekend, President Donald Trump suggested that his presidential campaign may have been the victim of spies or moles who were FBI informants or undercover agents. He demanded an investigation to get to the bottom of the matter.

At the same time that the president was fuming over this, Republican congressional leaders were fuming about the reluctance of senior officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI to turn over documents that might reveal political origins of the current criminal investigation of the president by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Can the president intercede in a federal criminal investigation of which he himself is a subject? Can Congress intercede in a DOJ criminal investigation? Here is the back story.

Mueller was named special counsel so he could investigate serious and demonstrable evidence of Russian government interference in the 2016 presidential election. Because the Trump campaign met with Russian intelligence officials offering campaign assistance, implicit in that investigation is an inquiry into whether the Trump campaign invited foreign interference and agreed to accept or facilitate it.

Mueller is seeking to determine whether there was an agreement between the Trump campaign and any foreign person, entity or government to receive anything of value for the campaign. Such an agreement plus a material step in furtherance of it taken by any of those who joined the agreement would itself constitute the crime of conspiracy, even if the agreed-upon thing of value never arrived.

In the course of examining evidence for the existence of this alleged conspiracy -- which Trump has forcefully denied many times -- Mueller's prosecutors and FBI agents have come upon evidence of other crimes. They have obtained 19 indictments -- some for financial crimes, some for lying to FBI agents and some for foreign interference in the election -- and four guilty pleas for lying, in which those who pleaded guilty agreed to assist the government.

Nine of the indictments are against Russian intelligence agents, whom the president himself promptly sanctioned by barring their travel here and their use of American banks and commercial enterprises, even though he has called Mueller's investigation a witch hunt.

Mueller has also come upon evidence of obstruction of justice by the president while in office and financial crimes prior to entering office, all of which Trump has denied. Obstruction of justice consists of interfering with a judicial proceeding -- such as a grand jury's hearing evidence -- for a corrupt purpose.

Thus, if Trump fired FBI Director James Comey because he didn't trust him or because he wanted his own person in that job, that was his presidential prerogative, but Trump's purpose was corrupt if he fired Comey because Comey would not deny that the president was the subject of a criminal investigation -- a basis for firing surprisingly offered publicly by one of the president's own lawyers.

The potential financial crimes appear to be in the areas of bank fraud -- making material misrepresentations to banks to obtain loans -- and money laundering, or the passage of ill-gotten gains through numerous bank accounts so as to make the gains appear lawful. These, too, Trump has denied.

It seems that the deeper Mueller and his team dig the more they find. As lawyers and as federal prosecutors, Mueller's team members have ethical obligations to uncover whatever evidence of crime they come upon and, when professionally feasible and legally appropriate, either prosecute or pass the evidence on to other federal prosecutors, as they did in the case of evidence of fraud against Michael Cohen, a former confidant and lawyer for Trump before he was president.

Now, back to Trump's eruption about FBI spies or moles.

The president cannot interfere with criminal investigations against himself without running the risk of additional charges of obstruction of justice -- interference with a judicial process (the gathering of evidence and its presentation to a grand jury) for a corrupt purpose (impeding his own prosecution or impeachment). Nor can members of Congress see whatever they want in the midst of a criminal investigation, particularly if they might share whatever they see with the person being investigated.

Prosecutors have a privilege to keep their files secret until they reach the time that the law provides for them to go public. Because Mueller is faced with the legal equivalent of assembling a 10,000-piece jigsaw puzzle, he is not yet ready to show his cards. If his cards contain materials from confidential sources -- people whose identities he promised not to reveal -- or if his cards contain evidence he presented to a grand jury, he may not lawfully reveal what he has until it is time to exonerate the president, indict him or present a report to Mueller's DOJ superiors that is intended for the House of Representatives.

Can the president investigate his investigators?

Yes -- but not until the investigation of him is completed. That's because no one can fruitfully examine the legitimacy of the origins of the case against Trump without knowing the evidence and the charges. Trump's allegations are of extreme scandal -- the use of FBI assets by the Obama administration to impede his presidential campaign. Yet if he is exonerated, those allegations will lose their sting. If he is charged with crimes or impeachable offenses that do not have their origins in politically charged spying, then his allegations will be moot.

But if he were to force the DOJ to turn over raw investigative files now to politicians who want to help him, he might very well be impeding the criminal case against him. That would be profoundly threatening to the rule of law, for it provides that no man can be the prosecutor or the judge in his own case. Even Trump's lawyers acknowledge that he could not lawfully do that.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/24/judge-andrew-napolitano-can-trump-lawfully-investigate-his-investigators.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2018, 12:07:40 PM
I've kept up with the case and it's obvious what team Trump is trying to pull.

It's the FBI's job to investigate any domestic criminal activity.
Pres. trump acts indignant about the FBI investigating criminal acts within his campaign.

 Mueller has got 5 guilty please and 19 criminal indictments ( and counting).
Gen Flynn plead guilty and he was Trumps national sec advisor ( for the 1st couple mos).

Trump's attempting to paint the law enforcement investigating as the criminals.

Same tired old tactic tried by plenty of guilty people. aka " I was framed "


If you have “kept up with the case,” which I doubt, then you would know the indictments and guilty pleas have absolutely nothing to do with Trump and collusion with Russia.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2018, 05:21:37 PM
I'd be the first to say that Trump has NOT been found guilty of any collusion or criminal acts so far.
If the investigation reveals he wasn't, I'll be happy to post it and say Trump was proven right.

BUT

Will you admit the investigation was fair if they find Trump was directly involved in collusion or crimes?
You won't use the lame "deep state " excuse, right?

No one has been found guilty of any crimes related to Trump or collusion with Russia. 

This entire investigation is a farce.  I don't care what the findings are.  I fully expect Muller to write some report making enough disparaging comments about Trump to keep this kooky conspiracy theory in the front of liberals minds.  That's actually going to help them, because they don't have anything else to run on in 2018.

There is nothing lame about "deep state."  If you were actually keeping up with the case you wouldn't be saying this kind of foolishness.  This could turn out to be the biggest political scandal in American history.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 24, 2018, 05:53:44 PM
No one has been found guilty of any crimes related to Trump or collusion with Russia. 

This entire investigation is a farce.  I don't care what the findings are.  I fully expect Muller to write some report making enough disparaging comments about Trump to keep this kooky conspiracy theory in the front of liberals minds.  That's actually going to help them, because they don't have anything else to run on in 2018.

There is nothing lame about "deep state."  If you were actually keeping up with the case you wouldn't be saying this kind of foolishness.  This could turn out to be the biggest political scandal in American history.   

Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of. None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2018, 05:59:12 PM
Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of. None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign.

Correct.  Nothing to do with Trump or collusion with Russia. 

And think about this:  in most offices the prosecutors have lots of cases.  This guy has an army prosecutors and they only have one case.  If there was any thing there, and I mean anything, we would know about it.  That should give you an idea of how weak this entire conspiracy theory is. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 24, 2018, 06:31:53 PM
Mueller should be on trial along with Clinton. The entire "investigation" is a sham and waste of taxpayers money.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 24, 2018, 08:57:56 PM
Mueller should be on trial along with Clinton. The entire "investigation" is a sham and waste of taxpayers money.

You are an idiot., Hope this helps
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 25, 2018, 11:40:11 AM
Ok, just to be clear, let me summarize your view on this.

Pres. Trump can't/won't be guilty of any crimnal acts, REGARDLESS of  what the Mueller investigation concludes?


Just to be clear, my view is exactly what I said. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 25, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Correct.  Nothing to do with Trump or collusion with Russia. 

And think about this:  in most offices the prosecutors have lots of cases.  This guy has an army prosecutors and they only have one case.  If there was any thing there, and I mean anything, we would know about it.  That should give you an idea of how weak this entire conspiracy theory is. 

So far.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 25, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
So far.

Keep hope alive. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 27, 2018, 02:00:44 PM
bump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 27, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
bump
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Trump should be counting his blessings rather than asking this question.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 27, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
Trump should be counting his blessings rather than asking this question.

Ominous
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: George Whorewell on May 27, 2018, 09:38:53 PM
Ominous

lmaoooooo
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 28, 2018, 05:52:21 AM
Trump should be counting his blessings rather than asking this question.
Excellent point. If it's Obama, no questions asked as to why he did nothing. Very admirable opinion. Blame it on Trump instead!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 28, 2018, 01:08:51 PM
Excellent point. If it's Obama, no questions asked as to why he did nothing. Very admirable opinion. Blame it on Trump instead!

-Appears you missed the point.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 28, 2018, 02:49:53 PM
-Appears you missed the point.
Nope, you don't care that the previous administration did nothing about the Russians and now think that the current president should accept the blame for Obama's failing. That's the only point I'm getting. Clear it up if I am wrong.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 28, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
Nope, you don't care that the previous administration did nothing about the Russians and now think that the current president should accept the blame for Obama's failing. That's the only point I'm getting. Clear it up if I am wrong.



I didn't blame Trump. I said he got lucky. IMO
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 28, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
You are an idiot., Hope this helps

.

People who refuse to get tied into a Right or left, Democrat or Republican way of thinking and just want the truth.
You have no interest in the truth, only the corrupt witch hunt
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 28, 2018, 08:40:41 PM
You have no interest in the truth, only the corrupt witch hunt

and you are getting really tired... give it a rest
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 28, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
and you are getting really tired... give it a rest

What’s the crime?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 28, 2018, 10:21:40 PM
What’s the crime?

You tell me. You've been following the conversations for a long time. Has it been conducive to an exchange of ideas?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 28, 2018, 10:24:21 PM
Mueller should be on trial along with Clinton. The entire "investigation" is a sham and waste of taxpayers money.

This is such a B S statement. Really, Mueller, the special counsel appointed by Trumps pick... should be on trial? Really? For what? This is a prime example of why it's difficult to have any meaningful conversation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 29, 2018, 09:29:28 AM
This is such a B S statement. Really, Mueller, the special counsel appointed by Trumps pick... should be on trial? Really? For what? This is a prime example of why it's difficult to have any meaningful conversation.
Again? I already gave a short list, I'm sure with some effort I could compile a larger list. With your blind hatred of your president, I don't think it would do any good. Open your eyes and think for yourself. Can't have a meaningful conversation with someone so obsessed with seeing the downfall of the president that he is willing to throw FACTS out the window and base his feelings on what ifs and maybes.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 11:05:04 AM
Again? I already gave a short list, I'm sure with some effort I could compile a larger list. With your blind hatred of your president, I don't think it would do any good. Open your eyes and think for yourself. Can't have a meaningful conversation with someone so obsessed with seeing the downfall of the president that he is willing to throw FACTS out the window and base his feelings on what ifs and maybes.

Hi pot.. Give me facts on why Mueller, who is republican (fact) appointed by a republican (fact) a republican that was appointed by Trump (fact) should be charged with a crime, (which crime did he commit) and brought to trial. This should be a good exercise for you to try and separate emotion and facts.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 29, 2018, 11:47:12 AM
What’s the crime?

Don't you mean crimes?

As of February 23, 2018, the Mueller investigation produced over 100 charges involving 19 people and 3 companies. Remember, this is an investigation into Russian meddling in U.S. elections. It is not an investigation into Trump's possible involvement in Russian meddling per-se. Unfortunately, the media and Trump himself has made the investigation all about him.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 29, 2018, 12:06:22 PM
Hi pot.. Give me facts on why Mueller, who is republican (fact) appointed by a republican (fact) a republican that was appointed by Trump (fact) should be charged with a crime, (which crime did he commit) and brought to trial. This should be a good exercise for you to try and separate emotion and facts.
Hi kettle, since you're incapable of doing your own research again, you'll have to wait until I feel like it. Or maybe since your supposedly a retired cop, why not used your 30 years of detective skills and look for yourself?
Too closed minded? Afraid of finding the truth?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 29, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on May 29, 2018, 02:49:20 PM
:)

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Hi kettle, since you're incapable of doing your own research again, you'll have to wait until I feel like it. Or maybe since your supposedly a retired cop, why not used your 30 years of detective skills and look for yourself?
Too closed minded? Afraid of finding the truth?

When asked to provide facts to support the mantra "Muller should be tried and jailed", specifically what crime has Meuller, a republican, who was appointed by a republican, who was appointed by Trump....committed that he should be charged and brought to trial, this is your response. I'll translate. "If I actually tried to post facts, not conspiracy theory, I'd look pretty friggin stupid even to the guys who always have my back no matter what silly thing I say as long as it's pro Trump"   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
Hi pot.. Give me facts on why Mueller, who is republican (fact) appointed by a republican (fact) a republican that was appointed by Trump (fact) should be charged with a crime, (which crime did he commit) and brought to trial. This should be a good exercise for you to try and separate emotion and facts.

You tell me. You've been following the conversations for a long time. Has it been conducive to an exchange of ideas?

You refuse to answer a question about what crime Trump committed, but demand an answer to what crime Mueller committed.  Pretty hypocritical.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
Don't you mean crimes?

As of February 23, 2018, the Mueller investigation produced over 100 charges involving 19 people and 3 companies. Remember, this is an investigation into Russian meddling in U.S. elections. It is not an investigation into Trump's possible involvement in Russian meddling per-se. Unfortunately, the media and Trump himself has made the investigation all about him.



None of which has anything to do with Trump or Trump colluding with Russia to win the election.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 07:34:11 PM
Plugged in "What did Robert Mueller commit" Nada

"Mueller should be arrested" nothing

"Mueller has committed a crime" nope

Did get back a lot of articles about the indictments Mueller has gotten so far... nothing that would indicate we have a criminal running around investigating allegations as a special investigator.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
You refuse to answer a question about what crime Trump committed, but demand an answer to what crime Mueller committed.  Pretty hypocritical.



If I made the claim Trump should be arrested and brought to trial, then you got me. You haven't got me.. but you arrived right on que. You guys text each other?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 07:37:14 PM
If I made the claim Trump should be arrested and brought to trial, then you got me. You haven't got me

Whatever.  Anyone reading your posts, where you refused to answer what crime Trump committed, but demanded to know what crime Mueller committed, can see you are a hypocrite.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 07:39:40 PM
Whatever.  Anyone reading your posts, where you refused to answer what crime Trump committed, but demanded to know what crime Mueller committed, can see you are a hypocrite.

Go ahead, produce the post where I said that.... take your time, and if you think "I don't know if Trump committed a crime, the investigation is ongoing" is evenly remotely similar to what Chaos said, well.... let's just hope you are smarter than that
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 07:49:40 PM
Go ahead, produce the post where I said that.... take your time, and if you think "I don't know if Trump committed a crime, the investigation is ongoing" is evenly remotely similar to what Chaos said, well.... let's just hope you are smarter than that

What the heck are you talking about??  I just posted it.  Here it is again. 

You tell me. You've been following the conversations for a long time. Has it been conducive to an exchange of ideas?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
What the heck are you talking about??  I just posted it.  Here it is again.  


??. Me responding to Coach about wasting time debating politics with people who's minds are made up.... is me saying Trump committed a crime and should be on trial? You've lost it...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
??

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 08:05:07 PM
and you are getting really tired... give it a rest

That's me responding to Chaos.....

Then coach asks what's the crime? I interpret that as what did Chaos do that I told him to give it a rest.. Then I respond with "Youve been following the conversation" etc etc
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 08:06:37 PM
If coach was asking me what crime did Trump commit, my response would be as it always has been... I don't know if he committed a crime. He may not have, there is an investigation underway, we'll find out when it's done.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Now back to Mueller should be charged with a crime and put on trial...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 08:11:05 PM
If coach was asking me what crime did Trump commit, my response would be as it always has been... I don't know if he committed a crime. He may not have, there is an investigation underway, we'll find out when it's done.

Focus.  Coach asked you what crime Trump committed.  You refused to answer his question about what crime Trump committed. 

You then asked chaos what crime Mueller committed.  When he didn't answer, you started complaining.  That is what is hypocritical. 

If you cannot understand your own words, I cannot really help you. 

If you are now saying you don't know, fine.  Anyone being open minded about this can go a step further and say there is zero evidence Trump committed a crime or conspired with Russia to win the election. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 08:14:36 PM
Focus.  Coach asked you what crime Trump committed.  You refused to answer his question about what crime Trump committed. 

You then asked chaos what crime Mueller committed.  When he didn't answer, you started complaining.  That is what is hypocritical. 

If you cannot understand your own words, I cannot really help you. 

If you are now saying you don't know, fine.  Anyone being open minded about this can go a step further and say there is zero evidence Trump committed a crime or conspired with Russia to win the election. 

Please don't lie. There was a line of conversation ongoing about Chaos and I told him to give it a rest. Coach may have been jumping in about something different, but it is obvious from my response I read it as "What crime did Chaos commit that you would tell him to give it a rest. I answered accordingly. That you interpret it as Coach asking about Trump (Trump's name was never mentioned) thats fine. Since you interpret it that way I gave you my answer very clearly.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 08:16:59 PM
Tell you what, re-read the entire conversation and then get back to me. I just did and my last statement stands
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Please don't lie. There was a line of conversation ongoing about Chaos and I told him to give it a rest. Coach may have been jumping in about something different, but it is obvious from my response I read it as "What crime did Chaos commit that you would tell him to give it a rest. I answered accordingly. That you interpret it as Coach asking about Trump (Trump's name was never mentioned) thats fine. Since you interpret it that way I gave you my answer very clearly.

You have no business calling me a liar, particularly after I have outed you at least twice for lying.

Here is Coach's question:

What’s the crime?

Here is your response:

You tell me. You've been following the conversations for a long time. Has it been conducive to an exchange of ideas?

Now, if you are telling me Coach didn't ask you what crime Trump committed, which I just quoted, and you didn't refuse to answer, which I just quoted, then you are either a liar or not too bright. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 29, 2018, 09:11:49 PM
Now back to Mueller should be charged with a crime and put on trial...
He should. It's a damn shame he's managed to hold on to his job as long as he has. All politically motivated.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 29, 2018, 09:40:15 PM
None of which has anything to do with Trump or Trump colluding with Russia to win the election.



Exactly! Explains why Trump's accusations of this investigation being a witch hunt is loonytoons....just like he is.

If you are okay with foreign countries/adversaries, corporations, the monetarily influential and powerful people choosing our presidents for us, than I understand why you'd want to discredit the Mueller investigation. Trump emphatically maintains he is innocent of the implied crimes/accusations, he should be the first person to want to clear his name....although his, decorum, reputation and ethics will forever remain questionable.

Of course his son, daughter, son-in-law and various close associates, particularly those who supposedly ran his campaign might end up taking the fall for him. Wonder if Trump will pardon any of them at the end of the day? Melania might be just the ultimate martyr and beloved first lady of all time. Money can buy a lot, but it doesn't buy happiness.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 10:10:02 PM
You have no business calling me a liar, particularly after I have outed you at least twice for lying.

Here is Coach's question:

Here is your response:

Now, if you are telling me Coach didn't ask you what crime Trump committed, which I just quoted, and you didn't refuse to answer, which I just quoted, then you are either a liar or not too bright.  

You did not quote Coach asking me what Crime Trump committed. You quoted Coach asking me "What's the Crime". At the time he asked that of me, I wasn't even talking about Trump. I was talking about Chaos being unable to see any point of view that doesn't fit in his paradigm. Saying Mueller should be charged and tried was the discussion.

It absolutely makes no sense the way you portray it. I have no reason not to answer a question about what crime trump committed. I wasn't talking about that at the time. If you want to ask me that go ahead.

It's quite possible Coach accidentally quoted me when asking that question, meaning to ask Prime.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 29, 2018, 10:12:12 PM
He should. It's a damn shame he's managed to hold on to his job as long as he has. All politically motivated.

Cool, simply line out the facts of a crime Mueller committed that a prosecutor can indict him on and take to a jury
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 30, 2018, 07:14:26 AM
Exactly! Explains why Trump's accusations of this investigation being a witch hunt is loonytoons....just like he is.

If you are okay with foreign countries/adversaries, corporations, the monetarily influential and powerful people choosing our presidents for us, than I understand why you'd want to discredit the Mueller investigation. Trump emphatically maintains he is innocent of the implied crimes/accusations, he should be the first person to want to clear his name....although his, decorum, reputation and ethics will forever remain questionable.


You are ok with it or (as in another thread) you wouldn't have been mad at Trump for pointing out that your leader Obama knew about it and didn't care/did nothing. Apparently he found it not a big deal and you believe that they are choosing our presidents? Which one is it.

Also, hilarious if you truly believe Russia chose our president. Sorry that you are so easily influenced by Facebook memes, etc.

Yep, would be awesome to be accused of something you have not done. Braindead argument to say that someone should be ok with being accused of something for over a year that has no basis in fact.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 30, 2018, 08:21:58 AM
Time out!

Until the final report is released by Mueller NOBODY here knows for sure what crimes ( if any) Pres Trump may be guilty of.



Pointless post having nothing to do with any of my points. Actually kind of made one of them.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 09:30:48 AM
Exactly! Explains why Trump's accusations of this investigation being a witch hunt is loonytoons....just like he is.

If you are okay with foreign countries/adversaries, corporations, the monetarily influential and powerful people choosing our presidents for us, than I understand why you'd want to discredit the Mueller investigation. Trump emphatically maintains he is innocent of the implied crimes/accusations, he should be the first person to want to clear his name....although his, decorum, reputation and ethics will forever remain questionable.

Of course his son, daughter, son-in-law and various close associates, particularly those who supposedly ran his campaign might end up taking the fall for him. Wonder if Trump will pardon any of them at the end of the day? Melania might be just the ultimate martyr and beloved first lady of all time. Money can buy a lot, but it doesn't buy happiness.

Oh that's just silly.  Of course he should be screaming bloody murder.  His political opponent paid millions for opposition research, which gathered information in part from Russia, used that information to spy on his campaign and to start an investigation into collusion without a shred of credible evidence.  And you think if he complains about it it shows he's guilty?  That's some retarded logic right there. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
You did not quote Coach asking me what Crime Trump committed. You quoted Coach asking me "What's the Crime". At the time he asked that of me, I wasn't even talking about Trump. I was talking about Chaos being unable to see any point of view that doesn't fit in his paradigm. Saying Mueller should be charged and tried was the discussion.

It absolutely makes no sense the way you portray it. I have no reason not to answer a question about what crime trump committed. I wasn't talking about that at the time. If you want to ask me that go ahead.

It's quite possible Coach accidentally quoted me when asking that question, meaning to ask Prime.

What was typed is plain as day.  If you are now feigning ignorance, fine.  Whatever. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
You are ok with it or (as in another thread) you wouldn't have been mad at Trump for pointing out that your leader Obama knew about it and didn't care/did nothing. Apparently he found it not a big deal and you believe that they are choosing our presidents? Which one is it.

Also, hilarious if you truly believe Russia chose our president. Sorry that you are so easily influenced by Facebook memes, etc.

Yep, would be awesome to be accused of something you have not done. Braindead argument to say that someone should be ok with being accused of something for over a year that has no basis in fact.

Yes.  This. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 09:34:28 AM
Time out!

Until the final report is released by Mueller NOBODY here knows for sure what crimes ( if any) Pres Trump may be guilty of.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2018, 09:46:31 AM
Cool, simply line out the facts of a crime Mueller committed that a prosecutor can indict him on and take to a jury
Where would you like to start? Immunity to Comey? The money laundering during Obamas admin? The uranium one?(I particularly like that one since it shows Mueller has had more interaction with Russia than Trump ever has), the Comey/Mueller cover up for Killary? This guy isn't the boyscout you pretend he is. His dramas have been kept out of the public spotlight, but a few minutes on google will set your mind free.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
Yup, I'm the crazy dickwad that admits I won't know all the facts UNTIL the facts are revealed.

No.  You're just a troll. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 30, 2018, 09:56:38 AM
Ok, so you already know what the Mueller investigation will reveal?
If so, can you tell the rest of us.

I'd bet you can make some serious $$ revealing this on the various cable news networks.

Another post having nothing to do with what I posted. On a roll.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 10:00:50 AM
Could you come up with a better insult reply.
At least be funny.

I will admit , you were right about PP having abortions inside their facility .

Yes, they claim they only refer pregnant women for abortions.
But, as you found out, the clinic is inside he PP building.
So , legalize semantics aside, you're correct, PP has abortions performed on their premises.

Knowing that doesn't change my view on legal abortions and my 16 week time limit.
But it's good to know all the facts on any organization.



Not trying to be funny and not trying to be insulting.  Stating a fact:  you are a troll.  If you need help understanding that, Google the definition of internet troll. 

And a dishonest troll.  Give up that Planned Parenthood lie already.   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 30, 2018, 10:02:37 AM
Could you come up with a better insult reply.
At least be funny.

I will admit , you were right about PP having abortions inside their facility .

Yes, they claim they only refer pregnant women for abortions.
But, as you found out, the clinic is inside he PP building.
So , legalize semantics aside, you're correct, PP has abortions performed on their premises.

Knowing that doesn't change my view on legal abortions and my 16 week time limit.
But it's good to know all the facts on any organization.



Quiet troll
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on May 30, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
Where would you like to start? Immunity to Comey? The money laundering during Obamas admin? The uranium one?(I particularly like that one since it shows Mueller has had more interaction with Russia than Trump ever has), the Comey/Mueller cover up for Killary? This guy isn't the boyscout you pretend he is. His dramas have been kept out of the public spotlight, but a few minutes on google will set your mind free.

Plus the numerous occasions he withheld exculpatory evidence. most recently in the Flynn case.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 30, 2018, 01:12:59 PM
Where would you like to start? Immunity to Comey? The money laundering during Obamas admin? The uranium one?(I particularly like that one since it shows Mueller has had more interaction with Russia than Trump ever has), the Comey/Mueller cover up for Killary? This guy isn't the boyscout you pretend he is. His dramas have been kept out of the public spotlight, but a few minutes on google will set your mind free.

You pick, then line out FACTS that would show Mueller should be charged with a crime and brought to trial, any time you are ready
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2018, 04:05:08 PM
You pick, then line out FACTS that would show Mueller should be charged with a crime and brought to trial, any time you are ready
I gave you a list, Board_SHERIF added even. If you care, you can look into it yourself. I doubt you care enough, seems all you care about is whether or not Trump says mean things.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 30, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
Oh that's just silly.  Of course he should be screaming bloody murder.  His political opponent paid millions for opposition research, which gathered information in part from Russia, used that information to spy on his campaign and to start an investigation into collusion without a shred of credible evidence.  And you think if he complains about it it shows he's guilty?  That's some retarded logic right there. 

It is interesting how you convolute what I post. But, that's the way you roll.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 30, 2018, 04:30:16 PM
I gave you a list, Board_SHERIF added even. If you care, you can look into it yourself. I doubt you care enough, seems all you care about is whether or not Trump says mean things.

So we can agree Mueller probably shouldn't be on trial because there are no crimes that a prosecutor could charge him with that would stick before a jury. I get that you hate that he is investigating Russian involvment and it may or may not have something to do with the Trumps, but from now on, lets stick to facts or say "in my opinion" if we are going to say someone needs to be in jail for conducting their job.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 30, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
Yes.  This. 

You and mazrim should get married.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
So we can agree Mueller probably shouldn't be on trial because there are no crimes that a prosecutor could charge him with that would stick before a jury. I get that you hate that he is investigating Russian involvment and it may or may not have something to do with the Trumps, but from now on, lets stick to facts or say "in my opinion" if we are going to say someone needs to be in jail for conducting their job.
Libtards ::)
Like I've stated before, you have no interest in the truth, only in bashing Trump.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 30, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
Libtards ::)
Like I've stated before, you have no interest in the truth, only in bashing Trump.

That is laughable..I won't even bother pointing out the hypocrisy,.I'm sure it would go right over your head
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 30, 2018, 05:56:34 PM
So we will be taking the word of "Secret" memos (how do you even judge the authenticity?) and "informants" (how do you even judge the credibility?) to try to take down Trump... SAD!:
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2018, 05:56:40 PM
That is laughable..I won't even bother pointing out the hypocrisy,.I'm sure it would go right over your head
Hypocrisy when I do it, normal every life when you libtards do it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 07:56:59 PM
You and mazrim should get married.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
So we will be taking the word of "Secret" memos (how do you even judge the authenticity?) and "informants" (how do you even judge the credibility?) to try to take down Trump... SAD!:

Mueller running a tight ship again. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 30, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
Hypocrisy when I do it, normal every life when you libtards do it.

Sigh.....
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 31, 2018, 04:36:52 AM
You and mazrim should get married.
Why do homosexuals think we all want to be like them and try and push their thought process on the rest of us?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 31, 2018, 05:01:33 AM
Why do homosexuals think we all want to be like them and try and push their thought process on the rest of us?

mental illness
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on May 31, 2018, 05:31:35 AM
Why do homosexuals think we all want to be like them and try and push their thought process on the rest of us?

Zero argument.

No message.

They have been reduced to petty insults that we are seeing on a daily basis.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 31, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
Yup, I'm the crazy dickwad that admits I won't know all the facts UNTIL the facts are revealed.

But you're really quick to jump on a negative story about Trump and draw your own conclusions the second it comes out. Go figure.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
Why do homosexuals Christians think we all want to be like them and try and push their thought process on the rest of us?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 31, 2018, 02:06:24 PM


Woah. Edgy.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 31, 2018, 03:20:06 PM

Must have offended you greatly with that to post something so completely unrelated.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
Must have offended you greatly with that to post something so completely unrelated.

Just pointing out that you can put a lot of groups in that sentence and still be accurate
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 31, 2018, 04:08:12 PM
Just pointing out that you can put a lot of groups in that sentence and still be accurate

sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken

Now you tell me
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 31, 2018, 04:58:13 PM
So we will be taking the word of "Secret" memos (how do you even judge the authenticity?) and "informants" (how do you even judge the credibility?) to try to take down Trump... SAD!:

If you take Trump and politics out of the mix, would you still want the FBI to operate with complete public exposure, meaning there would be no 'classified' information, including secret memos and no informant protections? Do you feel the same way with regards to the CIA? How about the Administration and the Pentagon?

Have you considered that Trump might be the biggest leaker of FBI information, orchestrating and fabricating leaks to serve his agenda?

As of today, Trump is considering commuting the sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) and pardoning TV personality Martha Stewart. He pardoned conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, who pleaded guilty to a felony campaign finance violation. Isn't this what Presidents do toward the end of their term in office? Does Trump know something we don't.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 31, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Libtards ::)
Like I've stated before, you have no interest in the truth, only in bashing Trump.

What is the truth? How do you know it?

As far as bashing Trump, it's becoming annoying that the news reports/comments on every little thing he does or says. It would be great if he and the media would just shut up for day or two unless something of real importance needs to be reported. That Trump strikes out about stuff he do better to ignore. -Don't know if he's guilty of anything, but over commenting is what people do when they have something to hide.

“I can say categorically that his investigation indicates that no one on the White House staff, no one in this administration, presently employed, was involved in this very bizarre incident [the Watergate burglary]. What really hurts in matters of this sort is not the fact that they occur, because overzealous people in campaigns do things that are wrong. What really hurts is if you try to cover it up.” President Richard Nixon.

A guilty person will often turn a confrontation into a big scene by blaming others for their behavior. This normally is the case with people who have bigger egos than brains and can’t accept that they are mortal beings just like others and mistakes can be made by them as well. People who generally show this kind of behavior are bosses, people in higher rank (achieved by pulling others down), and spoilt brats who never learned to respect anyone other than themselves. https://listaka.com/10-signs-that-show-a-person-is-guilty/ (https://listaka.com/10-signs-that-show-a-person-is-guilty/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 31, 2018, 05:55:46 PM
Just pointing out that you can put a lot of groups in that sentence and still be accurate
Yep, I was right. Completely unrelated. You do seem to turn a lot of topics to your favorite obsessions (Trump and Christians).

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
Yep, I was right. Completely unrelated. You do seem to turn a lot of topics to your favorite obsessions (Trump and Christians).



No, you were wrong... you were trying to say a certain group wants X. You could replace that group with Republican, Democrat, Christian, Muslim etc and it would still be accurate, rendering your original concept meaningless.  But if you want to feel you are right. go for it, doesn't cost a thing
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 31, 2018, 06:10:30 PM
No, you were wrong... you were trying to say a certain group wants X. You could replace that group with Republican, Democrat, Christian, Muslim etc and it would still be accurate, rendering your original concept meaningless.  But if you want to feel you are right. go for it, doesn't cost a thing

Get that Pseudo-intellectual vomit out of here
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 06:12:09 PM
Get that Pseudo-intellectual vomit out of here

another great contribution. I see your name as the last poster and I can't wait to read what inspiring contribution or picture you've posted to add to the conversation. Never disappoint.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on May 31, 2018, 06:28:02 PM
No, you were wrong... you were trying to say a certain group wants X. You could replace that group with Republican, Democrat, Christian, Muslim etc and it would still be accurate, rendering your original concept meaningless.  But if you want to feel you are right. go for it, doesn't cost a thing
How can I be wrong about something I never posted? Why are you projecting your thought process on mine? Should I switch the wording to "agnostics" now? Where was the exclusivity in that post. That being besides the point that my post was a joking/sarcastic reply to Prime implying two heterosexual males should get married.

Also, you posted that I am right in saying a certain group wants x (subject matter is key here in reading my post and who I am replying to) in one post and now say that I was wrong because other groups do as well. That is a rather apparent contradiction. One doesn't negate the other. I hope this isn't how you did detective work.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 31, 2018, 07:09:34 PM
Yep, I was right. Completely unrelated. You do seem to turn a lot of topics to your favorite obsessions (Trump and Christians).



Correct.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 07:16:42 PM
Yep, I was right. Completely unrelated. You do seem to turn a lot of topics to your favorite obsessions (Trump and Christians).



Gee... we're on the political board... imagine that...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
Correct.

LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 31, 2018, 07:24:40 PM
Why do homosexuals liberal cops think we all want to be like them and try and push their thought process on the rest of us?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 31, 2018, 07:27:18 PM


Now you're catching on. It could be conservative red necks, just about any group.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 02, 2018, 09:29:28 AM
A new report from John Solomon of The Hill ties together several loose threads floating around over the genesis of the FBI/DOJ espionage operation against the Trump campaign, who was involved in the "setup" of campaign aides, and how text messages between FBI employees suggest that the Obama White House was not only aware of the operation - but possibly directing it.

Not only is the timeline moved up from the summer of 2016 to spring, Solomon provides clarification on early contacts between the players involved in DOJ/FBI sting and Trump campaign aides.

>The bridge to the Russia investigation wasn’t erected in Moscow during the summer of the 2016 election.

>It originated earlier, 1,700 miles away in London, where foreign figures contacted Trump campaign advisers and provided the FBI with hearsay allegations of Trump-Russia collusion, bureau documents and interviews of government insiders reveal. These contacts in spring 2016 — some from trusted intelligence sources, others from Hillary Clinton supporters — occurred well before FBI headquarters authorized an official counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016.

>The new timeline makes one wonder: Did the FBI follow its rules governing informants? -The Hill

“The revelation of purposeful contact initiated by alleged confidential human sources prior to any FBI investigation is troublesome,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), an ally of President Trump and chairman of a House subcommittee that’s taking an increasingly aggressive oversight role in the scandal, told me. “This new information begs the questions: Who were the informants working for, who were they reporting to and why has the [Department of Justice] and FBI gone to such great lengths to hide these contacts?”

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/390228-london-bridges-falling-down-curious-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe (http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/390228-london-bridges-falling-down-curious-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe)

Retired assistant FBI director for intelligence Kevin Brock also has questions. Brock supervised an agency update to their longstanding bureau rules governing the use of sources while working under then-director Robert Mueller. These rules prohibit the FBI from directing a human source to perform espionage on an American until a formal investigation has been opened - paperwork and all.

Brock sees oddities in how the Russia case began.

>“These types of investigations aren’t normally run by assistant directors and deputy directors at headquarters,”

>“All that happens normally in a field office, but that isn’t the case here and so it becomes a red flag. Congress would have legitimate oversight interests in the conditions and timing of the targeting of a confidential human source against a U.S. person.”
-The Hill
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 04, 2018, 06:38:45 PM
 :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on June 04, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
:D
Not breaking news according to Conker
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 04, 2018, 06:46:30 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, who has been indicted by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, attempted to tamper with potential witnesses, Mueller said in a court filing on Monday.

>FBI Special Agent Brock Domin, in a declaration filed with Mueller’s motion, said Manafort had attempted to call, text and send encrypted messages in February to two people from “The Hapsburg Group,” a firm he worked with to promote the interests of Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 04, 2018, 07:57:55 PM
Friggin circus witch hunt. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 11, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
Bump!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 20, 2018, 03:53:16 AM
Funny that the media didn't report on this. Part of Gowdy's questioning yesterday.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on June 20, 2018, 06:46:28 PM
Funny that the media didn't report on this. Part of Gowdy's questioning yesterday.
Crazy that this is true.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 20, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Funny that the media didn't report on this. Part of Gowdy's questioning yesterday.

I want to say I'm shocked if this is true.  But I'm not.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on June 20, 2018, 08:25:09 PM
I want to say I'm shocked if this is true.  But I'm not.



IF ... true .. then that investigation is over.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 21, 2018, 02:45:32 AM
Crazy that this is true.

I want to say I'm shocked if this is true.  But I'm not.



IF ... true .. then that investigation is over.

Well, we know the name of one now.

House GOPer unmasks identities of anti-Trump FBI agents


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/ (https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/)

The previously unnamed FBI officials — “FBI Attorney 2” and “Agent 5” — are Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer, respectively, according to House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC), who revealed their identities over the objection of the FBI during a hearing on the IG’s findings.

The two were assigned to the bureau’s Hillary Clinton email investigation, according to the IG’s report, while Clinesmith also later worked as a top lawyer on the Trump-Russia investigation and the special-counsel probe.

Clinesmith sent a number of pro-Clinton, anti-Trump political messages over the FBI’s computer system, which the report said “raised concerns about potential bias” that may have impacted the investigation. Likewise, the report cited Moyer rooting for Clinton and bashing Trump during the 2016 campaign.

Meadows said the pair was among five FBI officials Justice Department IG Michael Horowitz referred for investigation after additional anti-Trump messages surfaced.

All five worked on the Clinton case, accounting for one-third of the 15 who were assigned to the investigation. One was Peter Strzok, who was kicked off the special-counsel team last year and escorted from the FBI headquarters building Friday as part of internal discipline proceedings. He and his mistress, Lisa Page, who left the bureau last month, also supervised the Trump-Russia investigation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 21, 2018, 09:22:53 AM
Well, we know the name of one now.

House GOPer unmasks identities of anti-Trump FBI agents


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/ (https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/)

The previously unnamed FBI officials — “FBI Attorney 2” and “Agent 5” — are Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer, respectively, according to House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC), who revealed their identities over the objection of the FBI during a hearing on the IG’s findings.

The two were assigned to the bureau’s Hillary Clinton email investigation, according to the IG’s report, while Clinesmith also later worked as a top lawyer on the Trump-Russia investigation and the special-counsel probe.

Clinesmith sent a number of pro-Clinton, anti-Trump political messages over the FBI’s computer system, which the report said “raised concerns about potential bias” that may have impacted the investigation. Likewise, the report cited Moyer rooting for Clinton and bashing Trump during the 2016 campaign.

Meadows said the pair was among five FBI officials Justice Department IG Michael Horowitz referred for investigation after additional anti-Trump messages surfaced.

All five worked on the Clinton case, accounting for one-third of the 15 who were assigned to the investigation. One was Peter Strzok, who was kicked off the special-counsel team last year and escorted from the FBI headquarters building Friday as part of internal discipline proceedings. He and his mistress, Lisa Page, who left the bureau last month, also supervised the Trump-Russia investigation.

Still no peep of this in the MSM. You'd think the reporting widespread corruption at the highest levels of government would be of interest to them and their viewers...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on June 21, 2018, 09:34:15 AM
Well, we know the name of one now.

House GOPer unmasks identities of anti-Trump FBI agents


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/ (https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/)

The previously unnamed FBI officials — “FBI Attorney 2” and “Agent 5” — are Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer, respectively, according to House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC), who revealed their identities over the objection of the FBI during a hearing on the IG’s findings.

The two were assigned to the bureau’s Hillary Clinton email investigation, according to the IG’s report, while Clinesmith also later worked as a top lawyer on the Trump-Russia investigation and the special-counsel probe.

Clinesmith sent a number of pro-Clinton, anti-Trump political messages over the FBI’s computer system, which the report said “raised concerns about potential bias” that may have impacted the investigation. Likewise, the report cited Moyer rooting for Clinton and bashing Trump during the 2016 campaign.

Meadows said the pair was among five FBI officials Justice Department IG Michael Horowitz referred for investigation after additional anti-Trump messages surfaced.

All five worked on the Clinton case, accounting for one-third of the 15 who were assigned to the investigation. One was Peter Strzok, who was kicked off the special-counsel team last year and escorted from the FBI headquarters building Friday as part of internal discipline proceedings. He and his mistress, Lisa Page, who left the bureau last month, also supervised the Trump-Russia investigation.

This is insane. So out of all the people assigned to the investigations, how many have not exhibited political bias? These are the people who are supposed to represent and uphold “fidelity” and “integrity”?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
Obama’s Cyber Chief: Susan Rice Gave ‘Stand Down’ Order In Response To Russian Meddling
The Daily Caller ^ | 06/21/2018 | Chuck Ross
Posted on 6/21/2018, 12:48:32 PM by detective

Former President Barack Obama’s cybersecurity czar confirmed Wednesday that former national security adviser Susan Rice told him to “stand down” in response to Russian cyber attacks during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Michael Daniel, whose official title was “cybersecurity coordinator,” confirmed the stand-down order during a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing held to review the Obama and President Donald Trump’s administrations’ policy response to Russian election interference.

Rice’s order to Daniel was first reported in “Russian Roulette,” a book published in March that details Russia’s meddling in the election.

In the book, authors Michael Isikoff and David Corn reported that Daniel was developing strategies to respond to Russian cyber attacks on U.S. companies and political campaigns. He proposed using what’s known as denial of service attacks to take down Russian propaganda news sites and to attack Russian intelligence agencies

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on June 21, 2018, 05:12:24 PM
Obama’s Cyber Chief: Susan Rice Gave ‘Stand Down’ Order In Response To Russian Meddling
The Daily Caller ^ | 06/21/2018 | Chuck Ross
Posted on 6/21/2018, 12:48:32 PM by detective

Former President Barack Obama’s cybersecurity czar confirmed Wednesday that former national security adviser Susan Rice told him to “stand down” in response to Russian cyber attacks during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Michael Daniel, whose official title was “cybersecurity coordinator,” confirmed the stand-down order during a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing held to review the Obama and President Donald Trump’s administrations’ policy response to Russian election interference.

Rice’s order to Daniel was first reported in “Russian Roulette,” a book published in March that details Russia’s meddling in the election.

In the book, authors Michael Isikoff and David Corn reported that Daniel was developing strategies to respond to Russian cyber attacks on U.S. companies and political campaigns. He proposed using what’s known as denial of service attacks to take down Russian propaganda news sites and to attack Russian intelligence agencies

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


Imagine the relative unity of the country if most news was reported correctly/without bias, etc. A lot more people would be on the same page on a lot of obvious issues. Blaming Trump and pushing that narrative when it all falls at Obama's feet.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 22, 2018, 05:44:30 AM
Nose Dive: After A Year, Support For The Russia Probe Has Plummeted
Townhall.com ^ | June 22, 2018 | Matt Vespa
Posted on 6/22/2018, 8:20:28 AM by Kaslin



The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice’s woes are not over. Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a damning report that justified President Trump’s firing of former FBI Director James Comey, whose actions during the 2016 election were labeled as extraordinary and insubordinate, and outlined various issues with the FBI, which has a huge problem with leaks. The report was on the activities of the DOJ, FBI, and its principles during the Hillary Clinton email investigation. It was a criminal investigation into whether she mishandled classified information through her unauthorized and unsecure email server while serving as our secretary of state under Obama.

There’s also the issue of bias. Now, the IG report said that bias did not impact the outcome of the investigation, meaning a) the investigation could be completed without issue in general; and b) the bias did not impact it in a way that produced partisan outcomes. That’s very different than saying there was no bias. There were at least five FBI officials who exhibited anti-Trump bias; you already know FBI agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page. The two had an extramarital affair, sent tens of thousands of texts that were anti-Trump, and discussed how they would stop Trump. Oh, and how the bureau might be going too hard on Hillary Clinton as well.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is now helming the FBI investigation into Russian collusion that is said to have begun in July of 2016. After a year, two things have happened. They have not found a shred of evidence supporting the allegation that the Trump team colluded with the Russians—and support for the investigation has plummeted. There’s been a near 20-point drop from last year (via NTK Network):

“A special counsel is currently conducting an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible links with the Trump campaign. Should the Russia investigation continue or should it end?” pollsters asked 806 Americans.

The Monmouth poll found only 52 percent of Americans support the continuation of the Mueller probe, down from 73 percent in May 2017, when the investigation was still under the purview of the FBI.

Meanwhile, the number of Americans who support ending the investigation has risen to 45 percent, from 24 percent in May 2017.

The poll was taken from June 12 to June 13, just days before the Department of Justice Inspector General released a report revealing a number of FBI agents involved in the Trump probe held significant animus against the soon-to-be president.

Are people thinking this is a witch-hunt? For Trump’s base, yes—absolutely, but there’s also the other aspect that this has run its course. Voters don’t care about Russia. They’re tired of it. And with no evidence to support a Manchurian Candidate-like plot, maybe it’s time to close up shop. And yes, it is time for this probe to end.

Trump's 2020 campaign manager, Brad Parscale, said it was time to not only end the investigation, but fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Time to fire Sessions

End the Mueller investigation

You can’t obstruct something that was phony against you

The IG report gives @realDonaldTrump the truth to end it all.— Brad Parscale (@parscale) June 19, 2018
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 22, 2018, 08:52:46 AM
Go to the 17:00 min. mark... absolutely disgusting...

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 22, 2018, 04:47:58 PM
Funny that the media didn't report on this. Part of Gowdy's questioning yesterday.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=762242;image)

Tell me again all about "fake news". 

Suggested? They outright said it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 22, 2018, 05:28:51 PM
Tell me again all about "fake news". 

Suggested? They outright said it.

How do you think Flynn feels right about now? These people WERE on the Mueller staff at the beginning of the investigation. Justice is supposed to be blind, not a rabid pit bull
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
How do you think Flynn feels right about now? These people WERE on the Mueller staff at the beginning of the investigation. Justice is supposed to be blind, not a rabid pit bull

No matter how unprofessional their behavior was, it is not unique. People gossip and express personal opinions to one another, regardless of their profession, including investigators and law enforcement personnel. Sure, it is wrong, it shows poor work ethics and personal bias when there should be neutrality.

I have no idea how Flynn feels right now. He made a plea deal and he'll just have to live with it for better or for worse. Justice is rarely blind, regardless of what it is supposed to be. If you've ever served on jury duty, been arrested or charged, you already know that there is almost no such thing as blind justice.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on June 27, 2018, 03:40:45 PM
No matter how unprofessional their behavior was, it is not unique. People gossip and express personal opinions to one another, regardless of their profession, including investigators and law enforcement personnel. Sure, it is wrong, it shows poor work ethics and personal bias when there should be neutrality.

I have no idea how Flynn feels right now. He made a plea deal and he'll just have to live with it for better or for worse. Justice is rarely blind, regardless of what it is supposed to be. If you've ever served on jury duty, been arrested or charged, you already know that there is almost no such thing as blind justice.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 28, 2018, 09:46:52 AM


Aren't you getting tired of all the speculation regarding the Russian conspiracy? I know that I am. Whether pro or con Trump, what he's presently doing should be more newsworthy than what may or may not have happened during the election.

Another issue that doesn't justify the media coverage it's getting is the Stormy Daniels nonsense. Trump's a scoundrel, we knew that before he was elected President and yet people still voted for him and the electoral college sealed the deal. Clearly his "base" isn't interested in Trump's scandals.  

From all appearances, Supreme Court Judges are either conservative or liberal when they should maintain neutrality, ruling on each case based on it's merits. Stacking the Supreme Court with conservative judges is not right. Unfortunately, once we lose fair justice, it will be very difficult to restore it.

Trump playing games with illegal immigrant families' and particularly the children's lives by using them as pawns in order to get your his with Congress is despicable, IMO. It appears that neither side of the illegal immigration problem is really interested in finding solutions.

Personally, I'm very concerned about his attempts to circumvent the Constitution in order to move his agenda which will destroy our democracy. He acts like a dictator. There is no freedom of anything under dictator's rule. Why doesn't the media focus on this issue?  
 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on June 28, 2018, 09:59:49 AM
Congressman Jim Jordan is killing Rod Rosenstein on his testimony right now.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: polychronopolous on June 28, 2018, 10:05:31 AM
Congressman Jim Jordan is killing Rod Rosenstein on his testimony right now.

Future Speaker of the House, Jim Jordan??

Wouldn't that be interesting.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 06, 2018, 12:53:14 PM
Memos detail FBI’s ‘Hurry the F up pressure’ to probe Trump campaign

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/395776-memos-detail-fbis-hurry-the-f-up-pressure-to-probe-trump-campaign (http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/395776-memos-detail-fbis-hurry-the-f-up-pressure-to-probe-trump-campaign)

Memos the FBI is now producing to the Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general and multiple Senate and House committees offer what sources involved in the production, review or investigation describe to me as “damning” or “troubling” evidence.

They show Strzok and his counterintelligence team rushing in the fall of 2016 to find “derogatory” information from informants or a “pretext” to accelerate the probe and get a surveillance warrant on figures tied to the future president.

One of those figures was Carter Page, an academic and an energy consultant from New York; he was briefly a volunteer foreign policy adviser for the GOP nominee’s campaign and visited Moscow the summer before the election.

The memos show Strzok, Lisa Page and others in counterintelligence monitored news articles in September 2016 that quoted a law enforcement source as saying the FBI was investigating Carter Page’s travel to Moscow.

The FBI team pounced on what it saw as an opportunity as soon as Page wrote a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey complaining about the “completely false” leak.

“At a minimum, the letter provides us a pretext to interview,” Strzok wrote to Lisa Page on Sept. 26, 2016.

Within weeks, that “pretext” — often a synonym for an excuse — had been upsized to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court warrant, giving the FBI the ability to use some of its most awesome powers to monitor Carter Page and his activities.

To date, the former Trump adviser has been accused of no wrongdoing despite being subjected to nearly a year of surveillance.

Some internal memos detail the pressure being applied by the FBI to DOJ prosecutors to get the warrant on Carter Page buttoned up before Election Day.

In one email exchange with the subject line “Crossfire FISA,” Strzok and Lisa Page discussed talking points to get then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe to persuade a high-ranking DOJ official to sign off on the warrant.

“Crossfire Hurricane” was one of the code names for four separate investigations the FBI conducted related to Russia matters in the 2016 election.

“At a minimum, that keeps the hurry the F up pressure on him,” Strzok emailed Page on Oct. 14, 2016, less than four weeks before Election Day.

Four days later the same team was emailing about rushing to get approval for another FISA warrant for another Russia-related investigation code-named “Dragon.”

“Still an expedite?” one of the emails beckoned, as the FBI tried to meet the requirements of a process known as a Woods review before a FISA warrant can be approved by the courts.

“Any idea what time he can have it woods-ed by?” Strzok asked Page. “I know it’s not going to matter because DOJ is going to take the time DOJ wants to take. I just don’t want this waiting on us at all.”

Until all the interviews are completed by Congress and DOJ’s inspector general later this year, we won’t know why counterintelligence agents who normally take a methodical approach to investigation felt so much pressure days before the election on this case.

Were they concerned about losing a chance to gather evidence at a critical moment? Or maybe, as some Republicans long have suspected, they wanted to impact the election?

The agents got the Carter Page warrant in October and, within two weeks, Democrats in Congress such as then-Sen. Harry Reid (Nev.) and some media members were raising questions about the FBI withholding word of a probe that could hurt Trump. FBI agents monitored those reports, too.

The day after Trump’s surprising win on Nov. 9, 2016, the FBI counterintelligence team engaged in a new mission, bluntly described in another string of emails prompted by another news leak.

“We need ALL of their names to scrub, and we should give them ours for the same purpose,” Strzok emailed Page on Nov. 10, 2016, citing a Daily Beast article about some of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s allegedly unsavory ties overseas.

“Andy didn’t get any others,” Page wrote back, apparently indicating McCabe didn’t have names to add to the “scrub.”

“That’s what Bill said,” Strzok wrote back, apparently referring to then-FBI chief of counterintelligence William Priestap. “I suggested we need to exchange our entire lists as we each have potential derogatory CI info the other doesn’t.” CI is short for confidential informants.

It’s an extraordinary exchange, if for no other reason than this: The very day after Trump wins the presidency, some top FBI officials are involved in the sort of gum-shoeing normally reserved for field agents, and their goal is to find derogatory information about someone who had worked for the president-elect.

As the president-elect geared up to take over, the FBI made another move that has captured investigators’ attention: It named an executive with expertise in the FBI’s most sensitive surveillance equipment to be a liaison to the Trump transition.

On its face, that seems odd; technical surveillance nerds aren’t normally the first picks for plum political assignments. Even odder, the FBI counterintelligence team running the Russia-Trump collusion probe seemed to have an interest in the appointment.

These and other documents are still being disseminated to various oversight bodies in Congress, and more revelations are certain to occur.

Yet, now, irrefutable proof exists that agents sought to create pressure to get “derogatory” information and a “pretext” to interview people close to a future president they didn’t like.

Clear evidence also exists that an investigation into still-unproven collusion between a foreign power and a U.S. presidential candidate was driven less by secret information from Moscow and more by politically tainted media leaks.

And that means the dots between expressions of political bias and official actions just got a little more connected.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 11, 2018, 03:41:32 AM
Unlikely, but possible... These people are deranged/unhinged
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 11, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
Unlikely, but possible... These people are deranged/unhinged

Unless it can be 100% disproved, it is possible.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
Unlikely, but possible... These people are deranged/unhinged

Bunch of screwballs.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on July 11, 2018, 07:13:46 PM
Unless it can be 100% disproved, it is possible.
Lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 19, 2018, 05:27:05 PM
 ;D  https://nypost.com/2018/07/19/evidence-against-manafort-includes-emails-to-bernies-top-strategist/ (https://nypost.com/2018/07/19/evidence-against-manafort-includes-emails-to-bernies-top-strategist/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2018, 08:49:11 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 20, 2018, 03:27:38 PM
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As if Trump has actually achieved these talking points.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 20, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
As if Trump has actually achieved these talking points.

6+ years left, give it time. 8)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 22, 2018, 05:38:33 PM
drip, drip, drip
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on July 23, 2018, 12:25:50 PM
Will the 12 Tapes prove collusion?! Or will it prove that a married man had consensual sex with another woman before the election?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 23, 2018, 12:36:43 PM
https://spectator.org/confirmed-john-brennan-colluded-with-foreign-spies-to-defeat-trump


The only conspiracy here is by FAGGETBAMA and the rest of that worthless admn
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2018, 12:39:11 PM
Will the 12 Tapes prove collusion?! Or will it prove that a married man had consensual sex with another woman before the election?

If this involved a Democrat, we would have already seen a letter or op ed signed by numerous "legal scholars" talking about how creepy it is for this guy to be recording his clients. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 23, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 23, 2018, 01:17:24 PM
If this involved a Democrat, we would have already seen a letter or op ed signed by numerous "legal scholars" talking about how creepy it is for this guy to be recording his clients. 

Actually it is extremely unethical for someone's attorney to do this without their clients permission. My guess is anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows to protect themselves when dealing with Trump because he'll turn on them in an instant.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Actually it is extremely unethical for someone's attorney to do this without their clients permission. My guess is anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows to protect themselves when dealing with Trump because he'll turn on them in an instant.

BS.  Then don't represent him in the first place.  I doubt Trump is the only person he recorded. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2018, 02:40:10 PM
The GOP memo was accurate.  Amazing how Democrats are just lockstep lying about this thing.  Bunch of nuts. 

FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo
by Byron York
July 22, 2018
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 23, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
BS.  Then don't represent him in the first place.  I doubt Trump is the only person he recorded.  

-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?

I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 23, 2018, 09:14:08 PM
I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

agreed....



Damn that hurt!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 24, 2018, 03:53:15 AM
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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 24, 2018, 10:40:22 AM
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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.


Spot on.  Good commentary. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 24, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 24, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?
I assume these recordings were made in NY.

Quote
Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?
Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.
In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws.
When must you get permission from everyone involved before recording?
Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 24, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?

I agree.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 24, 2018, 09:28:14 PM
I agree.

 :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 25, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
I assume these recordings were made in NY.


You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 25, 2018, 06:22:49 PM
You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.
You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 25, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.

Again, irrelevant. If you had trump on tape video and signed affidavit saying he payed off Stormy or anyone else... it wouldn't matter in the long run. No one cares. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 25, 2018, 07:08:35 PM
Again, irrelevant. If you had trump on tape video and signed affidavit saying he payed off Stormy or anyone else... it wouldn't matter in the long run. No one cares. 
I agree. At this point in time the media has thrown so much at Trump that I would think most normal people just don't give a fuck and want to live their lives.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 30, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

And Stormy Daniels raped Trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2018, 04:49:45 PM
So was Cohen lying then or is he lying now?  Regardless, still an absolutely stupid conspiracy theory.

Trump promotes Cohen tweet on Russia meeting ‘nonsense’

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 07/29/18

President Trump early Sunday resurfaced an old tweet from Michael Cohen in which his former personal attorney praises Donald Trump Jr. for his transparency regarding a meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower.

The president asked on Twitter whether the media would "ever report on this tweet from Michael?"

"So proud of @DonaldJTrumpJr for being open, honest and transparent to the American people. This nonsense needs to stop!" Cohen tweeted on July 11, 2017, the same day Trump Jr. shared emails about the meeting to pre-empt a New York Times report.

The president's tweet on Sunday comes as he wages a credibility battle with Cohen, who reportedly claims he had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer.

CNN reported that Cohen is willing share his account with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

The president lashed out on Friday in response to the initial report, claiming Cohen is "trying to make up stories" to get himself out of legal trouble, which Trump suggested could be related to his taxi cab business.

Cohen is reportedly under investigation in New York's Southern District for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Speculation has escalated in recent weeks that the longtime fixer for Trump may turn on the president.

Last week, CNN aired audio from a secret recording Cohen made of a conversation with the president. The two men seemed to be discussing a possible payment regarding the account of a former Playboy model who claims she had an affair with the president a decade ago. Cohen has multiple other tapes, though their contents are not publicly known.

Cohen said in an interview earlier this month that his "first loyalty" is to the country and his family, not the president.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399378-trump-promotes-cohen-tweet-on-russia-meeting-nonsense
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 30, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

Spin this how ever you wish. Whatever you or your friends at the Federalist think, likely changes nothing. Time may or may not reveal the truth. Let's just wait and see if that happens.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 30, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
So was Cohen lying then or is he lying now?  Regardless, still an absolutely stupid conspiracy theory.

Trump promotes Cohen tweet on Russia meeting ‘nonsense’

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 07/29/18

President Trump early Sunday resurfaced an old tweet from Michael Cohen in which his former personal attorney praises Donald Trump Jr. for his transparency regarding a meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower.

The president asked on Twitter whether the media would "ever report on this tweet from Michael?"

"So proud of @DonaldJTrumpJr for being open, honest and transparent to the American people. This nonsense needs to stop!" Cohen tweeted on July 11, 2017, the same day Trump Jr. shared emails about the meeting to pre-empt a New York Times report.

The president's tweet on Sunday comes as he wages a credibility battle with Cohen, who reportedly claims he had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer.

CNN reported that Cohen is willing share his account with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

The president lashed out on Friday in response to the initial report, claiming Cohen is "trying to make up stories" to get himself out of legal trouble, which Trump suggested could be related to his taxi cab business.

Cohen is reportedly under investigation in New York's Southern District for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Speculation has escalated in recent weeks that the longtime fixer for Trump may turn on the president.

Last week, CNN aired audio from a secret recording Cohen made of a conversation with the president. The two men seemed to be discussing a possible payment regarding the account of a former Playboy model who claims she had an affair with the president a decade ago. Cohen has multiple other tapes, though their contents are not publicly known.

Cohen said in an interview earlier this month that his "first loyalty" is to the country and his family, not the president.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399378-trump-promotes-cohen-tweet-on-russia-meeting-nonsense

Goes to show that like many lawyers, Cohen praises whoever butters his bread. Trump should have not cut off the butter....loyalty works two ways or it doesn't work at all.  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2018, 06:34:41 PM
Spin this how ever you wish. Whatever you or your friends at the Federalist think, likely changes nothing. Time may or may not reveal the truth. Let's just wait and see if that happens.

Nothing needs to be spun.  It's a stupid conspiracy theory. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2018, 06:36:14 PM
Goes to show that like many lawyers, Cohen praises whoever butters his bread. Trump should have not cut off the butter....loyalty works two ways or it doesn't work at all.  ::)

Trump is actually the victim here.  Cohen also reportedly taped Chris Cuomo and many others.  Pretty sleazy.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 30, 2018, 07:21:57 PM
Trump is actually the victim here.  Cohen also reportedly taped Chris Cuomo and many others.  Pretty sleazy.   
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 30, 2018, 08:52:44 PM
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

Milania probably wonders that every day
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2018, 09:15:30 PM
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

Right? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 31, 2018, 04:01:50 PM
Milania probably wonders that every day
You ever seek therapy for your Trump Anxiety Syndrome?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on July 31, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

It's for certain that I would never hire him.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 31, 2018, 08:42:53 PM
You ever seek therapy for your Trump Anxiety Syndrome?

Nice try....
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 07, 2018, 09:24:15 PM
If Trump meeting is illegal, then Clinton dossier is criminal too
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 08/06/18

President Trump has ignited yet another firestorm with a tweet admitting that the meeting in Trump Tower between Russians and his son, Donald Trump Jr., was an effort to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton. It contradicts the statement that Trump released to the media in 2016.

CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota and others declared that the tweet makes a criminal charge against Trump an “open and shut case.” It does not. It is not even compelling evidence of a crime, because it is based on an erroneous interpretation of federal election laws. What is most alarming is the failure, again, to consider the implications of radically expanding the scope of such laws just to bag Trump or his family at any cost.

Early on Sunday morning, Trump tweeted, “Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics — and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!” At the outset, there are a couple glaring problems with these public statements.
First, this is not “fake news” but serious news created by Trump and his team in issuing a clearly misleading statement to the New York Times, then issuing a false statement denying that Trump drafted the statement to the media. Trump attorney Jay Sekulow stated categorically that Trump had no role in issuing the statement that the meeting was only about “a program about the adoption of Russian children.” Sekulow belatedly addressed that over the weekend with the equivalent of a shrug and a statement that “in a situation like this, over time, facts develop.” He added, “That is what investigations do.” The problem is that Sekulow is not investigating his client but supposedly talking to him. The facts do not develop from a “no” to a “yes.” The answer simply changed.

Second, the president is only partially correct in saying that the meeting with Trump Jr. is “done all the time in politics.” The media has largely ignored that Hillary Clinton and her campaign spent a huge amount of money to fund the efforts of former British spy Christopher Steele to gather dirt on Trump, including information from the Russian government and intelligence figures. All of the outcries and expressions of shock by Democratic leaders over the Trump Tower meeting ignores the more extensive contacts and efforts by the Clinton campaign.

However, this particular meeting is not “done all the time” because it was uniquely dumb. Trump Jr. pulled Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner into a meeting with unknown participants connected to the Russian government in Trump Tower as members of the media meandered around downstairs. The irony is that the Clintons showed how this is “done all the time” with cutouts and third parties like Steele. Indeed, despite denials during and after the campaign, the Clinton team only admitted to funding the dossier after the media stumbled onto the paper trail long after the election. When caught, they simply declared it was done all the time as “opposition research.”

The point is that only amateurs would take a meeting after a cryptic email from a music promoter about having Russian government evidence. They should have informed the FBI and used lawyers as surrogates. They should have done many things other than assemble the Trump triumvirate and walk blindly into that meeting. If stupidity were a crime, Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner would serve life sentences for doing so. However, crimes are defined by acts and levels of intent. More importantly, courts narrowly construe such definitions to protect the public from ambiguous rules that prosecutors can twist to indict anyone at any time.

Take the crime being proclaimed as “open and shut.” Before Camerota came to this conclusion, the CNN anchors discussed federal election laws that make it a “crime for any person to solicit, accept, or receive, anything of value from a foreign person or U.S. political campaign for the purpose of influencing any elections for federal office.” Thus, if Trump Jr. was willing to review evidence of criminal conduct by Clinton, it must be a type of foreign campaign contribution and, therefore, a federal crime.

Such logic is so inescapable that Camerota responded, “I mean, what more really is there to talk about after that one?” The answer is “a lot more.” The Russians setting up the meeting said their government had evidence of criminal conduct connected to the Clinton Foundation soliciting illegal donations. According to witnesses, Trump Jr. asked for the promised evidence but Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya said she did not have it and only wanted to talk about Magnitsky Act limitations on Russian adoptions. The meeting ended shortly thereafter.

If the Russians had evidence of criminal conduct by Hillary Clinton, her campaign or her family foundation, the Trump campaign had every reason to want to know about it. That is precisely what the Clinton campaign spent millions to do, talking to Russians and other foreigners investigating Trump. Indeed, under this interpretation of federal election laws, Clinton and her surrogates would be equally guilty in using a former foreign spy to gather information on Trump from foreign sources, including Russians.

Consider the implications of what the critics are suggesting. It would mean treating information as a form of political contribution as no different from money, for purposes of a criminal charge, even information about criminal acts by an election candidate. That would mean administrations could prosecute political opponents for merely attending meetings with foreign individuals to discuss the criminal conduct of a sitting American president. Democratic politicians could be charged if they reviewed evidence of alleged bribes or quid pro quos by Trump.

Indeed, it could be any foreign source, since the law is ambiguous. Does that not include foreign organizations like environmental and other public interest groups? How about journalists or lawyers sharing evidence of crimes by powerful politicians? Fortunately, courts likely would reject such an interpretation as a major threat to First Amendment freedoms of speech and even the press. So why are so many journalists and activists blind to implications of such an expansion? The answer is rage. We live in the age of rage, from Trump tweets to cable news crusades.

The latest media frenzy is part of the Newtonian principles that now guide both politics and journalism: “To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.” However, journalists and lawyers are trained to avoid immediate involuntary reactions, particularly when the potential costs are so prohibitive. Responding to a sweeping political tweet with a sweeping legal interpretation is neither equal nor wise. In the end, the Trump Tower controversy is not based on “fake news” as claimed by the president, but the federal crime alleged by the media is based on fake law.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/400609-if-trump-meeting-is-illegal-then-clinton-dossier-is-criminal-too
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 14, 2018, 10:14:10 AM
2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives
By Lee Smith | August 13, 2018

Evidence suggests the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russians was a giant set up to disparage the Trump campaign

https://saraacarter.com/2016-trump-tower-meeting-looks-increasingly-like-a-setup-by-russian-and-clinton-operatives/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 20, 2018, 09:02:47 AM
Mueller running a tight ship again.

Leak of White House counsel's cooperation shows Mueller's team 'panicking,' Giuliani says
Trump had 'no problem' with White House counsel's testimony
By Valerie Richardson and Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Sunday, August 19, 2018
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/19/don-mcgahn-leak-shows-robert-mueller-team-panickin/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 20, 2018, 12:54:56 PM
If Trump meeting is illegal, then Clinton dossier is criminal too
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 08/06/18

President Trump has ignited yet another firestorm with a tweet admitting that the meeting in Trump Tower between Russians and his son, Donald Trump Jr., was an effort to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton. It contradicts the statement that Trump released to the media in 2016.

CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota and others declared that the tweet makes a criminal charge against Trump an “open and shut case.” It does not. It is not even compelling evidence of a crime, because it is based on an erroneous interpretation of federal election laws. What is most alarming is the failure, again, to consider the implications of radically expanding the scope of such laws just to bag Trump or his family at any cost.

Early on Sunday morning, Trump tweeted, “Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics — and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!” At the outset, there are a couple glaring problems with these public statements.
First, this is not “fake news” but serious news created by Trump and his team in issuing a clearly misleading statement to the New York Times, then issuing a false statement denying that Trump drafted the statement to the media. Trump attorney Jay Sekulow stated categorically that Trump had no role in issuing the statement that the meeting was only about “a program about the adoption of Russian children.” Sekulow belatedly addressed that over the weekend with the equivalent of a shrug and a statement that “in a situation like this, over time, facts develop.” He added, “That is what investigations do.” The problem is that Sekulow is not investigating his client but supposedly talking to him. The facts do not develop from a “no” to a “yes.” The answer simply changed.

Second, the president is only partially correct in saying that the meeting with Trump Jr. is “done all the time in politics.” The media has largely ignored that Hillary Clinton and her campaign spent a huge amount of money to fund the efforts of former British spy Christopher Steele to gather dirt on Trump, including information from the Russian government and intelligence figures. All of the outcries and expressions of shock by Democratic leaders over the Trump Tower meeting ignores the more extensive contacts and efforts by the Clinton campaign.

However, this particular meeting is not “done all the time” because it was uniquely dumb. Trump Jr. pulled Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner into a meeting with unknown participants connected to the Russian government in Trump Tower as members of the media meandered around downstairs. The irony is that the Clintons showed how this is “done all the time” with cutouts and third parties like Steele. Indeed, despite denials during and after the campaign, the Clinton team only admitted to funding the dossier after the media stumbled onto the paper trail long after the election. When caught, they simply declared it was done all the time as “opposition research.”

The point is that only amateurs would take a meeting after a cryptic email from a music promoter about having Russian government evidence. They should have informed the FBI and used lawyers as surrogates. They should have done many things other than assemble the Trump triumvirate and walk blindly into that meeting. If stupidity were a crime, Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner would serve life sentences for doing so. However, crimes are defined by acts and levels of intent. More importantly, courts narrowly construe such definitions to protect the public from ambiguous rules that prosecutors can twist to indict anyone at any time.

Take the crime being proclaimed as “open and shut.” Before Camerota came to this conclusion, the CNN anchors discussed federal election laws that make it a “crime for any person to solicit, accept, or receive, anything of value from a foreign person or U.S. political campaign for the purpose of influencing any elections for federal office.” Thus, if Trump Jr. was willing to review evidence of criminal conduct by Clinton, it must be a type of foreign campaign contribution and, therefore, a federal crime.

Such logic is so inescapable that Camerota responded, “I mean, what more really is there to talk about after that one?” The answer is “a lot more.” The Russians setting up the meeting said their government had evidence of criminal conduct connected to the Clinton Foundation soliciting illegal donations. According to witnesses, Trump Jr. asked for the promised evidence but Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya said she did not have it and only wanted to talk about Magnitsky Act limitations on Russian adoptions. The meeting ended shortly thereafter.

If the Russians had evidence of criminal conduct by Hillary Clinton, her campaign or her family foundation, the Trump campaign had every reason to want to know about it. That is precisely what the Clinton campaign spent millions to do, talking to Russians and other foreigners investigating Trump. Indeed, under this interpretation of federal election laws, Clinton and her surrogates would be equally guilty in using a former foreign spy to gather information on Trump from foreign sources, including Russians.

Consider the implications of what the critics are suggesting. It would mean treating information as a form of political contribution as no different from money, for purposes of a criminal charge, even information about criminal acts by an election candidate. That would mean administrations could prosecute political opponents for merely attending meetings with foreign individuals to discuss the criminal conduct of a sitting American president. Democratic politicians could be charged if they reviewed evidence of alleged bribes or quid pro quos by Trump.

Indeed, it could be any foreign source, since the law is ambiguous. Does that not include foreign organizations like environmental and other public interest groups? How about journalists or lawyers sharing evidence of crimes by powerful politicians? Fortunately, courts likely would reject such an interpretation as a major threat to First Amendment freedoms of speech and even the press. So why are so many journalists and activists blind to implications of such an expansion? The answer is rage. We live in the age of rage, from Trump tweets to cable news crusades.

The latest media frenzy is part of the Newtonian principles that now guide both politics and journalism: “To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.” However, journalists and lawyers are trained to avoid immediate involuntary reactions, particularly when the potential costs are so prohibitive. Responding to a sweeping political tweet with a sweeping legal interpretation is neither equal nor wise. In the end, the Trump Tower controversy is not based on “fake news” as claimed by the president, but the federal crime alleged by the media is based on fake law.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/400609-if-trump-meeting-is-illegal-then-clinton-dossier-is-criminal-too

It is interesting to read op-eds because they are 'the voice of the people' and not canned reports from the newscasters. An opinion is just that and therefore changes nothing or very little except occasionally other people's opinions. I am not going to speculate on what may or may not happen with all this stuff about Trump, the Trump family, his associates and meetings with whomever, for a couple of reasons; Mainly, like an op-ed, my opinion does not effect the outcome or lack thereof and because at this point, I'm tired of it. This may make me unpatriotic or something the like, but it's where I am at now. I've even stopped watching the news except for local news. There is so much more to life than the current political games.

My family, which includes 8 adults, is currently visiting from Germany. Much like reading published opinions, it is interesting to hear the opinions from a German perspective. Yesterday, I hosted a large family and friends party. Discussion about today's political scene was minimal. One thing prevailed, whether republican or democrat, nobody  had anything good to say about Trump. When I teased my son about secret microphones hidden around the yard and the possibility of him losing his security clearance, he reminded us all that should this happen, he'd be out of his government job, which would not be funny.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on August 20, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
One thing prevailed, whether republican or democrat, nobody  had anything good to say about Trump.
::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 20, 2018, 10:53:05 PM
::)

You can roll your eyes until they roll right out of your head. What are the odds of 50 people with politically diverse opinions finding nothing positive to say about Trump? Okay, so maybe I should have invited you. Sorry, I didn't think of it. Fifty to one might have spiced things up a bit.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 20, 2018, 11:27:55 PM
You can roll your eyes until they roll right out of your head. What are the odds of 50 people with politically diverse opinions finding nothing positive to say about Trump? Okay, so maybe I should have invited you. Sorry, I didn't think of it. Fifty to one might have spiced things up a bit.  ;D ;D ;D

Who cares want 50 foreigners think? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on August 21, 2018, 09:37:54 AM
Who cares want 50 foreigners think? 
This. These people formed their opinions based on their liberal media shoved down their throats. They should focus on getting rid of their muzzie problem before worrying about Trump.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on August 21, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on August 21, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
$20 million later and we're still waiting.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2018, 05:22:40 PM
Who cares want 50 foreigners think? 

Nobody cares, unless they have the intelligence to realize 50 people are just a small sampling which is representative of a much larger population of folks. There are those who say to hell with what the people of foreign countries feel about United States politics. Unfortunately, this line of thinking is incredibly short-sighted and naive.

Quote
The survey of opinion in 134 countries showed a record collapse in approval for the US role in the world, from 48% under Obama to 30% after one year of Donald Trump – the lowest level Gallup has recorded since beginning its global leadership poll over a decade ago.

The result comes after a separate Gallup survey found that Trump reaches the first anniversary of his inauguration with the lowest average approval rating of any elected president in his first year.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/us-leadership-world-confidence-poll

 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on August 21, 2018, 06:00:37 PM
Nobody cares, unless they have the intelligence to realize 50 people are just a small sampling which is representative of a much larger population of folks. There are those who say to hell with what the people of foreign countries feel about United States politics. Unfortunately, this line of thinking is incredibly short-sighted and naive.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/us-leadership-world-confidence-poll

 
Economy booming, low unemployment, market skyrocketing.
Who gives a fuck what foreigners think? That's what got us in trouble in the first place, trying to take care of the world. As far as Trumps approval rating with the world after his first year? Again, who gives a fuck, fuck them and their opinions, their whiny asses bitching because America isn't taking care of them. FTW
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
Nobody cares, unless they have the intelligence to realize 50 people are just a small sampling which is representative of a much larger population of folks. There are those who say to hell with what the people of foreign countries feel about United States politics. Unfortunately, this line of thinking is incredibly short-sighted and naive.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/us-leadership-world-confidence-poll

 

Or someone who is an American citizen, appreciates American exceptionalism, and that we live in the greatest country in human history, could care less what people from other countries think about our POTUS, particularly when that POTUS is doing a good job. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
Robert Mueller's 'win' exposes how the media never cared about Russia 'collusion'
by Eddie Scarry
August 23, 2018
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/robert-muellers-win-exposes-how-the-media-never-cared-about-russia-collusion
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
How long before Cohen’s lawyer changes his story again?
By Post Editorial Board August 23, 2018

Can Michael Cohen give evidence that President Trump knowingly colluded with Russia, or does he have no knowledge whatsoever? It seems to depend on what story his lawyer is teasing at the moment.

Following Cohen’s guilty plea Tuesday, attorney Lanny Davis said on MSNBC that his client is willing to speak with special counsel Robert Mueller about a “conspiracy to collude,” citing his “knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest.”

That seemed to confirm July 27 CNN and CBS reports that Cohen was prepared to testify that Trump knew in advance about the 2016 Trump Tower meeting in which Russians were expected to offer political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Davis personally confirmed those stories off the record to The Post at the time.

Except now Davis says it isn’t true.

Trump insists he first learned of the meeting from reporters in July 2017. And Axios on Thursday reported that Cohen, in sworn testimony to two congressional committees last year, said he had no idea whether Trump had advance knowledge of the meeting.

That was publicly confirmed by the leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sens. Richard Burr (R-NC) and Mark Warner (D-Va.), who said Cohen had testified “he was not aware of the meeting prior to its disclosure to the press.”

Davis told Axios that “nothing has changed” and reaffirmed that Cohen “stands by his testimony.”

He also “explained” to Axios that at the time of the CNN and CBS reports “we could not confirm and we could not correct” — even though he did confirm them to The Post.

Maybe the lawyer is taking a hit for a client who changed his story. But, since Davis is a longtime Clinton confidant, you have to ask if he’s working more than one agenda.

Either way, it casts serious doubt on Davis’ newest claim — namely, that Cohen is prepared to offer different proof that Trump knowingly colluded with Russia. (And you thought the president had trouble keeping his stories straight.)

https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/how-long-before-cohens-lawyer-changes-his-story-again/

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 24, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
Or someone who is an American citizen, appreciates American exceptionalism, and that we live in the greatest country in human history, could care less what people from other countries think about our POTUS, particularly when that POTUS is doing a good job. 

Have you traveled to other first world countries? If you do you know that what you experience is very different than you'd imagine based on the media. I'd bet the same is true for people from other countries traveling in the U.S.

I'm pleased that Trump has finally realized Kim jong un was playing him for a fool when he told him North Korea would denuclearize. Whether Trump likes it or not, there are lessons to be learned from past experiences.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 03:13:51 PM
Have you traveled to other first world countries? If you do you know that what you experience is very different than you'd imagine based on the media. I'd bet the same is true for people from other countries traveling in the U.S.

I'm pleased that Trump has finally realized Kim jong un was playing him for a fool when he told him North Korea would denuclearize. Whether Trump likes it or not, there are lessons to be learned from past experiences.

I've travelled to first and third world countries.  Doesn't change my view one bit.  Actually, my travels have reinforced my belief that I live in the greatest country on earth and my lack of concern for what foreigners think about us. 

Regarding North Korea, nothing is going to happen overnight.  What he has accomplished so far still dwarfs whatever every other POTUS has previously done, including that empty suit Obama. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 24, 2018, 03:24:35 PM
I've travelled to first and third world countries.  Doesn't change my view one bit.  Actually, my travels have reinforced my belief that I live in the greatest country on earth and my lack of concern for what foreigners think about us. 

Regarding North Korea, nothing is going to happen overnight.  What he has accomplished so far still dwarfs whatever every other POTUS has previously done, including that empty suit Obama. 

Especially for you.  :-*

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 03:38:41 PM
Especially for you.  :-*



*yawn*   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on August 24, 2018, 03:39:56 PM
*yawn*   ::)

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to bore you.  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 24, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
Oh sorry, I didn't mean to bore you.  ::)

Too late.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2018, 10:19:07 PM
In the least surprising news of the day . . .

Judge Moss said he didn’t believe Mr. Papadopoulos lied to investigators to help the Russian government, but said he was concerned that the defendant didn’t correct the record until months after his initial interview—and only after he was confronted with evidence by the FBI about his lies.

The judge also said he couldn’t take into account the less-sinister motives Mr. Papadopoulos’s attorney had described. “His motive was not the best motive,” Judge Moss said, adding that it was a “calculated exercise in self-interest over national interest.”

Ex-Trump Campaign Adviser George Papadopoulos Sentenced to 14 Days In Prison
By Aruna Viswanatha
Updated Sept. 7, 2018

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-1536353828
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 14, 2018, 02:06:48 PM
Uh oh.  He pleaded guilty to more crimes having nothing to do with Trump being a Manchurian Candidate.  Now he's going to "flip."  It's curtains for Trump.  Curtains . . . .

Paul Manafort pleads guilty, agrees to cooperate in deal with Mueller team
By Alex Pappas,   Jake Gibson   | Fox News

Paul Manafort is expected to plead guilty as part of a plea deal with the special counsel. He is facing seven counts of foreign lobbying violations and witness tampering in federal court.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort pleaded guilty in federal court Friday as part of a plea agreement that involves cooperation with Special Counsel Robert Mueller and allows him to avoid a second trial.

“I plead guilty," Manafort, 69, told U.S. District Judge Amy Berman in Washington.

Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann told the judge that Manafort's deal includes a cooperation agreement with prosecutors, who are investigating whether any Trump associates played a role in Russia's meddling in the 2016 election. That could include interviews with prosecutors and testifying in court.

A defense attorney for Manafort told Fox News the deal includes "full cooperation."

But the president's team downplayed the significance of Manafort's plea.

“Once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign," Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said in a statement to Fox News. "The reason: the president did nothing wrong."

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday that Manafort's decision is "totally unrelated" to the president.

Manafort, in a trial set to begin Sept. 24, had been facing seven counts of foreign lobbying violations and witness tampering in federal court in Washington.

In August, in a separate trial in Virginia, a federal jury found Manafort guilty on eight counts of federal tax and banking crimes.

Manafort faces up to 10 years on these charges in Washington. He still faces sentencing for his guilty verdict in Virginia.

As part of this agreement, Manafort has forfeited multiple bank accounts and several properties in New York. However, he will keep his properties in Florida and Virginia, where his family live.

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Manafort attorney Kevin Downing told reporters after the court hearing it was a “tough day” for his client, “who has accepted responsibility.” He said Manafort “wanted to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life.”

The case was brought by Mueller's team, which is probing potential crimes related to the 2016 election. But Manafort has not been charged with anything related to the campaign.

In August, Manafort’s bank and tax fraud conviction made him the first campaign associate of Trump found guilty by a jury as part of Mueller’s probe.

“I feel very badly for Paul Manafort,” Trump told reporters after the August verdict, adding that it had "nothing to do with Russian collusion." The president has called Mueller's probe a "witch hunt."
Trump also said he had “such respect” for Manafort and called him a “brave man.” In comments interpreted to mean he was open to pardoning Manafort, Trump commended Manafort, saying he “refused to break” and “make up stories in order to get a deal.”

In the Virginia trial, prosecutors said Manafort hid income earned from political work overseas from the IRS while fraudulently obtaining millions in bank loans. Manafort had pleaded not guilty to all counts.

The prosecution’s star witness, Rick Gates – Manafort’s former business partner who struck a plea deal to cooperate with the government -- testified during the trial that he and Manafort committed bank and tax fraud together.

Downing, Manafort's attorney, suggested after the guilty verdict in August that Manafort was open to striking a deal before the second trial.

“He is evaluating all of his options at this point,” Downing said of Manafort.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/14/paul-manafort-to-plead-guilty-as-part-plea-deal-with-special-counsel.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 17, 2018, 08:43:14 AM
Bob Woodward: No Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion
PJ Media ^ | 09/16/2018 | Rick Moran
Posted on 9/17/2018, 11:43:08 AM by SeekAndFind

Bob Woodward, whose bestselling anti-Trump book Fear has got Washington tongues wagging, told talk show host Hugh Hewitt on Friday that despite looking "hard" for two years, he could find no evidence of collusion between Donald Trump and the Russians in the 2016 presidential election.

HH: So let’s set aside the Comey firing, which as a Constitutional law professor, no one will ever persuade me can be obstruction. And Rod Rosenstein has laid out reasons why even if those weren’t the president’s reasons. Set aside the Comey firing. Did you, Bob Woodward, hear anything in your research in your interviews that sounded like espionage or collusion?
BW: I did not, and of course, I looked for it, looked for it hard. And so you know, there we are. We’re going to see what Mueller has, and Dowd may be right. He has something that Dowd and the president don’t know about, a secret witness or somebody who has changed their testimony. As you know, that often happens, and that can break open or turn a case.

HH: But you’ve seen no collusion?

BW: I have not.

Woodward isn't the only one who couldn't find the pony under the pile of manure. Lisa Page told a House committee that the FBI also tried their best to find enough evidence of collusion to bring a case against Trump and his campaign and failed.

The Hill reports:

Yet, when history judges the former FBI lawyer years from now, her most consequential pronouncement may not have been typed on her bureau-issued Samsung smartphone to her colleague and lover.

Rather, it might be eight simple words she uttered behind closed doors during a congressional interview a few weeks ago.

“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named a special prosecutor to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

Page sounds a little disappointed that there may be "literally nothing" to the collusion narrative.

But with Woodward coming up empty and Page admitting the FBI can't make a case, why does the left get so excited whenever a Trump crony pleads guilty and makes an immunity deal with Mueller? Trump is "trapped." He's "worried." It's close to the end. He can't escape. He's losing it. There is gleeful anticipation that Mueller will show Trump won the election because Russia helped him and the president will be impeached because of it.

Meanwhile, there is no witness who has come forward with any testimony or evidence of Trump colluding with Russia. There has been no leak from the special counsel's office that suggests collusion. No congressman or senator on the intelligence committees has said there is any evidence of collusion. There has been no leak from Congress that would point to collusion.

So why this continued hysteria about collusion? In truth, this is more about denial on the left for the reasons they lost the presidency in 2016 than it is about a president committing treason.

Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump because she was the worst major party candidate for president in modern history. She had nothing to say and nothing to offer voters except that she would make history as the first woman president if she won. She was the least trusted presidential candidate since polling began.

These factors alone would have made her election very difficult. In the end, voters rejected her and what little she offered as far as ideas.

What do you suppose is going to happen on the left when Mueller issues his final report with no bombshell collusion charge?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 15, 2018, 08:38:24 PM
Fusion GPS' Glenn Simpson to plead the Fifth on Capitol Hill, lawyer says; other Trump dossier figures called to testify
By Catherine Herridge, Alex Pappas | Fox News

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fusion-gps-glenn-simpson-to-plead-the-fifth-on-capitol-hill-lawyer-says-other-trump-dossier-figures-called-to-testify
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
Is Trump/Russia still a thing ???
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2018, 12:02:42 PM
Is Trump/Russia still a thing ???

It never was.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2018, 12:05:24 PM
Is "tight ship" Mueller about to drop a bombshell that proves Trump conspired with the Russian government government to win the 2016 election so Trump could become a Russian puppet?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Mueller Ready to Deliver Key Findings in His Trump Probe, Sources Say
Chris Strohm
Greg Farrell
Shannon Pettypiece
October 17 2018

(Bloomberg) -- Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections as he faces intensifying pressure to produce more indictments or shut down his investigation, according to two U.S. officials.

Specifically, Mueller is close to rendering judgment on two of the most explosive aspects of his inquiry: whether there were clear incidents of collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign, and whether the president took any actions that constitute obstruction of justice, according to one of the officials, who asked not to be identified speaking about the investigation.

. . .

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/mueller-said-ready-to-deliver-key-findings-in-his-trump-probe#gs.0CUbeFU
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2018, 12:09:28 PM
Is Trump/Russia still a thing ???

Honestly, I was wondering the same thing. If it is, nobody seems to be talking about it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
It never was.

Which thing? There are so many. If you mean the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, many conspiracy theorists and the media continue talking about it.

IT LOOKS LIKE MUELLER MAY HAVE A NOVEMBER SURPRISE
The special counsel will reportedly release key findings from the Russia probe shortly after the midterms.  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/robert-mueller-investigation-november-midterm-elections (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/robert-mueller-investigation-november-midterm-elections)

Sessions acknowledges Trump's frustration, is mum on resignation talk
By JOSH GERSTEIN 10/16/2018 04:38 PM EDT

Mueller said to be ready to deliver key findings in Trump-Russia probe
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-trump-russia-probe-findings-20181017-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-trump-russia-probe-findings-20181017-story.html)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2018, 12:29:54 PM
Which thing? There are so many. If you mean the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, many conspiracy theorists and the media continue talking about it.

IT LOOKS LIKE MUELLER MAY HAVE A NOVEMBER SURPRISE
The special counsel will reportedly release key findings from the Russia probe shortly after the midterms.  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/robert-mueller-investigation-november-midterm-elections (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/robert-mueller-investigation-november-midterm-elections)

Sessions acknowledges Trump's frustration, is mum on resignation talk
By JOSH GERSTEIN 10/16/2018 04:38 PM EDT

Mueller said to be ready to deliver key findings in Trump-Russia probe
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-trump-russia-probe-findings-20181017-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-trump-russia-probe-findings-20181017-story.html)

There are two, but only one got incessantly covered by the MSM.  The first is arguably the stupidest conspiracy theory in American history involving candidate Trump conspiring with Russia. 

The second is Hillary Clinton and the DNC paying Russians for manufactured dirt that was used to try and take Trump down.  I wonder if Mueller will mention this in his impeachment report? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
There are two, but only one got incessantly covered by the MSM.  The first is arguably the stupidest conspiracy theory in American history involving candidate Trump conspiring with Russia. 

The second is Hillary Clinton and the DNC paying Russians for manufactured dirt that was used to try and take Trump down.  I wonder if Mueller will mention this in his impeachment report? 

Probably not since he and his team are not investigating her. She didn't win, most of us got over it and have moved on.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Probably not since he and his team are not investigating her. She didn't win, most of us got over it and have moved on.

Now that is laugh out loud funny.   :)  You may have gotten over it, but no "most" of the anti-Trump voters have not gotten over it and moved on.  The "resistance" start almost immediately after the election, reaching the highest levels of government. 

In any event, there is no logical reason why Mueller should not have investigated Clinton and the DNC, particularly when he went off the reservation with so many of his prosecutions. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2018, 02:09:43 PM
Now that is laugh out loud funny.   :)  You may have gotten over it, but no "most" of the anti-Trump voters have not gotten over it and moved on.  The "resistance" start almost immediately after the election, reaching the highest levels of government. 

In any event, there is no logical reason why Mueller should not have investigated Clinton and the DNC, particularly when he went off the reservation with so many of his prosecutions. 

Okay then, I won't ask you for a tally.  ;) If most have not gotten over Trump's win, how will this affect the soon-to-be midterm vote?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 18, 2018, 02:56:50 PM
Okay then, I won't ask you for a tally.  ;) If most have not gotten over Trump's win, how will this affect the soon-to-be midterm vote?

Who knows?  Democrats don't have an agenda, other than they are angry.  They are hoping enough of their people are angry enough to show up, and that independents who actually decide many elections (like me) will get angry too.  It's a very weak strategy. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 19, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
 :-\ a November fart is coming - get ready to inhale Howie
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2018, 12:05:20 PM
Hopefully, time will provide us the outcome of the Mueller investigation. In the meantime, everything said or written is just speculation.

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=766971;image)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on October 19, 2018, 12:07:25 PM
Hopefully, time will provide us the outcome of the Mueller investigation. In the meantime, everything said or written is just speculation.

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=766971;image)

The biggest farce all ran/planed by the CuckTards (democraps).
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on October 19, 2018, 06:32:38 PM
Waste of tax payers money
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 22, 2018, 05:48:21 PM
Giuliani: Manafort Has Shared Nothing Damaging on Trump
Monday, 22 October 2018

Paul Manafort's attorney said his client has not said anything damaging about President Donald Trump, according to the president's lawyer, while keeping Trump informed about the former campaign chairman's meetings with prosecutors investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election – an unusual arrangement under the circumstances.

Rudy Giuliani, who represents Trump in the Russia probe, told Reuters he had spoken with Manafort's lawyer, Kevin Downing, as recently as last week. Manafort pleaded guilty Sept. 14 to violating foreign lobbying laws and trying to obstruct justice. He was convicted at trial in another case in August.

Giuliani said the conversations were occurring under a so-called joint defense agreement, which allows lawyers who represent different clients to exchange information without violating attorney-client privilege.

Legal experts said it was unusual for such an agreement to remain in effect after a person pleads guilty and agrees to cooperate with prosecutors as Manafort has done.

Manafort is talking to special counsel Robert Mueller "about a lot of things, none of which are incriminating with regard to the president," Giuliani said in one of several conversations with Reuters this month.

Giuliani said he was told by Downing that Manafort had met with Mueller's team roughly a half dozen times.

Downing did not respond to requests for comment.

Giuliani's account of his communications with Downing comes at what might be a critical point in Mueller's investigation of election meddling and any possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, which the president denies.

Mueller has started drafting a report outlining his findings that will be submitted to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees Mueller's team, and could ultimately be made public, a person familiar with the matter said.

Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, declined to comment.

New York lawyer Harry Sandick, a former federal prosecutor, said there are some cases in which a joint defense agreement can survive a cooperation agreement, such as if Manafort is providing information about people other than Trump.

"In general, you can only have a joint defense agreement where there is a common interest between two people in defeating a prosecution," Sandick said.

He said lawyers can have unprivileged conversations with their clients' approval.

Giuliani said his conversations with Downing had been limited to areas that affect Trump.

"If he wants to communicate information, Manafort, he's allowed to do that," Giuliani said. "There's nothing that stops him from doing that. All I'm interested in is: Is there anything we need to know with regard to us?"

Giuliani said Downing had not shared specific facts with him regarding Manafort's discussions with prosecutors.

"He's just telling me the conclusion that he's not in a conflicted position with us," said Giuliani, who has been very public in his defense of Trump, appearing regularly on TV disputing aspects of the investigation and calling it a political witch hunt just as the president has.

Moscow rejects the conclusions of U.S. intelligence agencies that state-supported operatives interfered in the election.

Legal experts said Manafort's lawyer might be trying to remain on good terms with the Trump camp in the hopes that Manafort will ultimately receive a presidential pardon.

"Maybe he is thinking he can sort of have it both ways – cooperate and draw less ire from Mueller and hopefully still get a pardon from Trump," said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor.

Giuliani said he did not know why Manafort's lawyer is sharing information with him.

Manafort, who made tens of millions of dollars working for pro-Kremlin politicians in Ukraine, was among Trump campaign aides who attended a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a group of Russians offering damaging information on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/rudy-giuliani-robert-mueller-kevin-downing-special-counsel/2018/10/22/id/887477/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 24, 2018, 03:47:03 AM
Well shit, looks like most of the posters in this board are co-conspirators  :-[
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on October 26, 2018, 04:13:09 AM
Sleepy-Eyed Chuck Todd has connected the dots! Russia sent the bombs through USPS - directed by Trump, of course!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on October 26, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
Sleepy-Eyed Chuck Todd has connected the dots! Russia sent the bombs through USPS - directed by Trump, of course!
This thread and others on the topic have very quickly turned into predictable Getbig conspiracy theory fodder.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 27, 2018, 05:07:50 PM
The stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories is still being investigated.  How much of our tax dollars have they spent on this fiasco??

POLITICS 11/27/2018
Paul Manafort Secretly Met With Julian Assange Multiple Times: Report
Special counsel Robert Mueller said Monday that Trump’s former campaign manager lied to investigators, violating his recent plea deal.
By Marina Fang
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-talks-with-julian-assange_us_5bfd5758e4b0eb6d9313ec90
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 27, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
The stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories is still being investigated.  How much of our tax dollars have they spent on this fiasco??

POLITICS 11/27/2018
Paul Manafort Secretly Met With Julian Assange Multiple Times: Report
Special counsel Robert Mueller said Monday that Trump’s former campaign manager lied to investigators, violating his recent plea deal.
By Marina Fang
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-talks-with-julian-assange_us_5bfd5758e4b0eb6d9313ec90

really worried about tax money when Trump continues to vacation at his own hotel? STFU
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 27, 2018, 11:33:00 PM
really worried about tax money when Trump continues to vacation at his own hotel? STFU

What does this have to do with this stupid conspiracy theory troll?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 28, 2018, 09:37:04 AM
What does this have to do with this stupid conspiracy theory troll?

That you really aren't concerned about tax money and how it's spent... I really needed to explain that?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 28, 2018, 10:47:19 AM
Just like we've been saying for two years.  Complete waste of time all because libtards have to throw a fit when they lose.  They should make the DNC pay the bill for the millions wasted.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 28, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
"A conservative writer and associate of Trump confidant Roger Stone said Friday that he is in plea talks with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team."

ASSOCIATED PRESS 11/23/2018
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on November 28, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
"A conservative writer and associate of Trump confidant Roger Stone said Friday that he is in plea talks with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team."

ASSOCIATED PRESS 11/23/2018

You mean the guy who was in-studio on the Alex Jones Show during the election?

Talk about conspiracy theories!  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2018, 04:59:40 PM
That you really aren't concerned about tax money and how it's spent... I really needed to explain that?

STFU troll.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 29, 2018, 10:01:34 PM
STFU troll.

God you're stupid
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
God you're stupid

lol.  That is absolutely hilarious coming from you.   ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
Long but solid analysis. 

Gregg Jarrett: Cohen guilty plea does absolutely nothing to show wrongdoing by Trump
By Gregg Jarrett | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-cohen-guilty-plea-does-absolutely-nothing-to-show-wrongdoing-by-trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 29, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
lol.  That is absolutely hilarious coming from you.   ;D

if that helps.. ok
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on November 30, 2018, 06:20:29 AM
.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 30, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
Long but solid analysis. 

Gregg Jarrett: Cohen guilty plea does absolutely nothing to show wrongdoing by Trump
By Gregg Jarrett | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-cohen-guilty-plea-does-absolutely-nothing-to-show-wrongdoing-by-trump


Despite what Gregg Jarrett says, time will tell.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2018, 11:37:41 AM
They're not even looking for the original collusion charge.  Just a fishing expedition to find anything on anyone associated with Trump.  What a joke.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 30, 2018, 02:29:05 PM
They're not even looking for the original collusion charge.  Just a fishing expedition to find anything on anyone associated with Trump.  What a joke.

Ya think?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 30, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
Despite what Gregg Jarrett says, time will tell.

I doubt you read his commentary.  It's not just what he says.  It's the facts he lays out pretty methodically. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 30, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
I doubt you read his commentary.  It's not just what he says.  It's the facts he lays out pretty methodically. 

I did. He states his opinions at length, which you believe are factual. If they are....TIME WILL TELL.  :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 30, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
I did. He states his opinions at length, which you believe are factual. If they are....TIME WILL TELL.  :)


BS.  Some facts from the article:

"As has been widely reported for two years, the Trump Organization scrapped its proposal to build a tower in Moscow and the deal never materialized. A failed deal hardly constitutes a quid pro quo for Russian help to win the presidency.

It is not a crime to develop real estate in Russia, which makes it all the more mystifying why Cohen would lie about it. If some nefarious election “collusion” was involved, Cohen would certainly have been charged. This is how normal prosecutions unfold."

. . .

As former Federal Election Commission Chairman Bradley Smith explained: “Not everything that might benefit a candidate is a campaign expense.” If Trump had other reasons for making payments – personal or commercial – he did not violate campaign finance laws.

. . .

Fast forward two years. Mueller subpoenaed Corsi to testify in the special counsel’s investigation into so-called “Russian collusion.” Corsi voluntarily appeared on Sept.6 this year, handed over his computers, and answered questions to the best of his recollection, he says.

Corsi says he did not recall the three emails he had exchanged years earlier with Stone. Thereafter, Corsi regained access to his computers, searched for messages with Stone and discovered the emails that are now at the center of Mueller’s assertion that Corsi lied under oath. To correct the record – and with Mueller’s consent – Corsi testified yet again and amended his earlier statements.

When Mueller demanded that Corsi plead guilty to “willfully and knowingly” lying, Corsi’s lawyer sent a letter to the special counsel, stating in part:

“He (Corsi) had not had the benefit of reviewing all of his emails prior to the interview and you graciously allowed him to review his emails and amend his statements – which he did. Now, after various amendments to his statements, Dr. Corsi is being asked to affirmatively state that he lied to FBI agents.

“The issue is that the statements that Dr. Corsi made were, in fact, the best he could recall at the time. From the beginning, Dr. Corsi immediately provided all of his computers, emails, phones, social media accounts, etc., and his intent was always to tell you the truth to the best of his recollection, which he admitted to you, was not very good as these events took place years ago.”       

Amending testimony under oath is not an uncommon practice. It normally avoids charges of perjury or false statements. Just ask former FBI Director James Comey and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

Both Comey and Clapper delivered demonstrably false testimony before Congress. When their misstatements were subsequently exposed, they were allowed to correct and amend their testimony. Neither was criminally charged. But Corsi received no such allowance.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on December 01, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
They're not even looking for the original collusion charge.  Just a fishing expedition to find anything on anyone associated with Trump.  What a joke.
Collusion was just some bullshit they used to get an investigation launched, after that they investigate anything and everything they possibly can and anything they dig up is "found" during the course of investigating collusion. It pretty much gives ol'Bobby boy the green light to waste tax dollars as long as possible.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 01, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
Yeah, just a waste of money.  Again,they should make the DNC pay for it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on December 03, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
Jerome Corsi Ethics Complaint Accuses Mueller of Coercing ‘False Testimony’

Attorneys representing Jerome Corsi filed an ethics complaint Monday accusing prosecutors in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office of pressuring their client to provide “false testimony” against Republican operative Roger Stone and President Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/jerome-corsi-ethics-complaint-accuses-203934964.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on December 04, 2018, 06:05:17 AM
"Mueller probe is the biggest scam in American history: Dan Bongino"

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2018, 09:49:34 AM
8 Fake News Stories Being Peddled About Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea
Following Michael Cohen’s surprise guilty plea, the media and critics of the president wasted no time pushing collusion narratives, conspiracy theories, and outright falsehoods.
By Margot Cleveland
DECEMBER 3, 2018

Last week, Donald Trump’s former attorney, Michael Cohen, pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower complex in Moscow. Cohen told the Senate Intelligence Committee that the Trump Organization stopped pursuing the project in January 2016, but in pleading guilty Cohen stated that he continued to pursue the Trump Tower project into June of that year. Cohen claimed he lied out of loyalty to Trump and to be consistent with then-candidate Trump’s political messaging.

Following Cohen’s surprise guilty plea, the media and critics of the president wasted no time pushing collusion narratives, conspiracy theories, and outright falsehoods. Here are the top eight examples of the fake news being peddled.

1. Donald Trump Jr. Lied To Investigators

NPR’s Friday morning reporting of the development provides the clearest example of the mainstream media pushing fake news in response to Cohen’s guilty plea. After summarizing the details of his plea, NPR pivoted to Donald Trump Jr.’s role in the Moscow Trump Tower negotiations, and claimed the younger Trump lied about the timing of his involvement in the project.

“Trump Jr. told the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017 that although there had been negotiations surrounding a prospective Trump Tower in Moscow, they concluded without result ‘at the end’ of 2014,” the NPR story said, adding that “Trump’s account contrasts with the new version of events given by Cohen on Thursday in a guilty plea in federal court.”

But as The Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway explained on Friday, NPR confused Trump Jr.’s testimony concerning another Russian deal, which fell apart in 2014, with the Trump Tower negotiations, which the younger Trump stated ended in 2015 or 2016. Thus, contrary to NPR’s breaking story, Trump Jr.’s testimony mirrored the details contained in Cohen’s guilty plea.

NPR later corrected its story, but only after the “Cohen’s plea proves Trump, Jr. lied to Congress” narrative circulated broadly. Further, even NPR’s correction was not completely correct.

NPR rightly explained that it had erroneously reported that Trump Jr. had testified that the Trump Tower negotiations had ended by 2014, noting that Trump Jr. was discussing a different project. But NPR then stated “Trump Jr., did not address what Cohen has now admitted—that talks about such a deal continued at least into June 2016.” However, Trump Jr. had indeed told Congress that the discussions concerning the Moscow Trump Tower had continued into 2015 or 2016.

2. Trump Senior May Have Lied Too
NPR at least issued a correction to its story. This contrasts favorably to the approach The New York Times took when its reporting proved problematic: The newspaper of record merely removed the questionable passage.

The deleted passage came in the Times’ initial version of the Cohen story, and ran as follows: “The fact that Mr. Cohen’s admission in a deal with prosecutors came so soon after Mr. Trump returned his responses to Mr. Mueller’s questions raised concerns among the president’s legal team that Mr. Mueller was laying a perjury trap—waiting for the president to explain his understanding of events before presenting evidence to the contrary to show that he lied, according to people close to the president’s legal team.”

The implication from the passage the Times removed on the sly? That President Trump may have lied to Special Counsel Robert Mueller concerning the Moscow Trump Tower project. Sure enough, Trump critics picked up on the point, suggesting the “President’s lawyers think it was unfair for Mueller to ask questions of the President without first informing the President that he should tell the truth because Mueller might have evidence to show false answer were false.”

But, after floating this narrative, and following thousands of retweets of the passage, the Times deleted the reference without explanation. The current version of the Times’ article also makes it clear that “Cohen’s new account of the Trump Organization’s abortive hotel project in Moscow essentially matches what Mr. Trump himself stated in written answers.” In fact, Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani told the Times that “The president said there was a proposal, it was discussed with Cohen, there was a nonbinding letter of intent and it didn’t go beyond that.”

The damage was done, though, when the Times ran its first iteration of the article, which raised the specter that Cohen’s plea implicated Trump in lying to the special counsel.

3. Cohen’s Plea Implicates Trump…In Everything
The Washington Post took a different tack. Rather than hint that Cohen’s plea might raise legal issues for Trump, the Post presented Cohen’s deal as proof that Trump is a central figure in Mueller’s investigation into “whether Trump’s campaign conspired with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign.”

Claiming to speak the “parlance of criminal investigations,” the Post brands Trump “as a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name: ‘Individual 1.’” Never mind that the criminal charges do not accuse “Individual 1” of any wrongdoing, Cohen lying to Congress is somehow evidence that Mueller’s team has zeroed in on Trump himself as the Russian connection—the individual personally responsible for colluding with Russia to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

4. A Cohen-Trump Conspiracy
Then there was former federal prosecutor and current NBC News and MSNBC legal analyst Mimi Rocah’s hot take. In response to Trump tweeting that he had “lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia,” Rocah responded: “Conspiracy law doesn’t care about light vs. heavy.”

True. But conspiracy law does care about whether there is an agreement to commit a crime, and nothing in Cohen’s plea (or in the two years of Mueller’s investigation) indicates any such agreement involving Trump.

5. Cohen Has the Goods on Trump
Well, maybe there isn’t anything connecting Trump to criminal conduct now, but just wait, because Cohen has the goods on Trump, according to CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger.

“Michael has the goods,” Borger relayed of an unnamed source’s claims on the cable network last week. “He has extremely valuable information,” Borger claimed, suggesting Cohen’s yet-to-be-disclosed evidence “clearly goes beyond the Trump Tower Moscow.” “I think Michael Cohen, who was the man who said he would take a bullet for the president, has now become Brutus to the president,” Borger added in a literary flair.

Of course, we’ve been hearing a similar narrative for two years now, and usually coming from similarly unnamed sources.

6. Cohen’s the Tip of the Iceberg and Shoe in the Warehouse
Others played Cohen’s plea as the beginning of the end for Trump. Former CIA Director John Brennan painted Cohen’s mea culpa as the tip of “the iceberg of lies, deceit, corruption & criminality.”

In The Atlantic, attorney and former federal prosecutor Ken White suggested Cohen was just the tip of a toe, writing: “Cohen’s plea is only one shoe dropping in a boot warehouse. Who else lied to Congress about the pursuit of a hotel deal in Russia? Donald Trump Jr.? Did the president himself lie about it in his recent written answers to Mueller’s questions? (His lawyers claim that his answers matched Cohen’s.)”

This narrative should also sound familiar, since “this is the beginning of the end for Trump” has been re-upped by the media every time the press pushed a new conspiracy theory meant to ensnare the president.

7. Trump Won’t Serve Out His Term
CNN’s legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin went further, saying, after news of Cohen’s plea broke, that “today’s the first day I actually thought Donald Trump might not finish his term in office.” “I mean, I think this thing is enormous,” Toobin told host Anderson Cooper.

8. There’s No Proof of Collusion, But It Sure Is Smokey
CNN colleague and editor-at-large Chris Cilizza saw things differently—not a big deal, but adding a lot more smoke to the scene. From Cilizza’s perspective, that’s the problem.

Sure, there’s no proof “that members of the Trump orbit colluded with the Russians to help him win” the 2016 election, Cilizza writes. And, okay, Cohen lied to Congress, not Trump. Technically, Trump didn’t even lie to the American people about his investments in Russia, Cilizza even concedes. “But, boy oh boy, is there a lot of smoke. So much smoke that it is choking the Trump administration’s ability to do almost anything,” Cilizza vents.

The CNN editor is right about the smoke: There’s a lot of smoke wafting about these days, but it’s emanating from the hot air being blown by the MSM.

Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame. The views expressed here are those of Cleveland in her private capacity.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/03/8-fake-news-stories-peddled-michael-cohen-right-now/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on December 12, 2018, 01:04:23 AM
A picture of the media trying to hold up the Russia narrative while simultaneously acting like the "illegal" use of campaign funds could land a sitting president in prison: 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 19, 2018, 06:17:11 PM
10 pieces of evidence against most diabolical Russian spy ever
BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 12/18/18
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/421771-10-pieces-of-evidence-against-most-diabolical-russian-spy-ever
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 19, 2018, 06:37:00 PM
A picture of the media trying to hold up the Russia narrative while simultaneously acting like the "illegal" use of campaign funds could land a sitting president in prison: 

While in the background the crowd is being thinned by people pleading guilty..
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on December 19, 2018, 08:39:51 PM
While in the background the crowd is being thinned by people pleading guilty..
To Russian collusion?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 24, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Reporter who broke news of Steele dossier used to surveil ex-Trump aide calls its claims largely 'false'
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/likely-false-steele-dossier-faces-new-credibility-challenges-from-cohen-isikoff
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2019, 11:39:31 AM
Heard Mark Levin speculate that Democrats have been in contact with Mueller's team, which would explain their confident statements that something "bad" will be in the report.  Would not surprise me one bit.  Of course Mueller is writing an impeachment report.  No way he appoints a bunch a Hillary donors, spends millions of taxpayer dollars, and exonerates the POTUS (even though that's what his first and every subsequent indictment has essentially done).   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 10, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
Presidential elections are next year.  Next year.  Expect a lot of dirty tricks, all kinds of dirty tricks, between now and then.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on January 10, 2019, 06:16:42 PM
Presidential elections are next year.  Next year.  Expect a lot of dirty tricks, all kinds of dirty tricks, between now and then.
This. Many slanderous stories to be "breaking news" over the next year. ::)




Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 10, 2019, 07:14:03 PM
8 Fake News Stories Being Peddled About Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea
Following Michael Cohen’s surprise guilty plea, the media and critics of the president wasted no time pushing collusion narratives, conspiracy theories, and outright falsehoods.
By Margot Cleveland
DECEMBER 3, 2018


TinHat Man, Agnostic and Prime all believed this as gospel  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 15, 2019, 03:19:00 PM
The Deep State hard at work.  Buried deep in this story is this:  "No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials."

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.
By Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos
Jan. 11, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on January 16, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
TinHat Man, Agnostic and Prime all believed this as gospel  ::)

You have no idea what I believe or don't believe.

The Federalist -   right bias

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on January 16, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
The Deep State hard at work.  Buried deep in this story is this:  "No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials."

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.
By Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos
Jan. 11, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html


If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on January 16, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.
How many years should it take to find evidence?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 16, 2019, 04:46:35 PM
If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.

You believe that if they had any evidence that Trump was a Russian Manchurian Candidate that it is being held by "tight ship" Mueller?  That's pretty funny.   :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 18, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
What Bruce Ohr Told the FBI
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
JANUARY 17, 2019

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified...

Justice Department official Bruce Ohr arrives for a congressional hearing in Washington, D.C., Aug. 28, 2018.Photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven. “When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified. “I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

He said he told them that Mr. Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected,” and that his own wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which compiled the dossier. He confirmed sounding all these warnings before the FBI filed its October application for a surveillance warrant against Carter Page. We broke some of this in August, though the transcript provides new detail.

The FBI and Justice Department have gone to extraordinary lengths to muddy these details, with cover from Democrats and friendly journalists. A January 2017 memo from Adam Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, flatly (and incorrectly) insisted “the FBI’s closely-held investigative team only received Steele’s reporting in mid-September.” A May 2018 New York Times report repeated that claim, saying Mr. Steele’s reports didn’t reach the “Crossfire Hurricane team,” which ran the counterintelligence investigation, until “mid-September.”

This line was essential for upholding the claim that the dossier played no role in the unprecedented July 31, 2016, decision to investigate a presidential campaign. Former officials have insisted they rushed to take this dramatic step on the basis of a conversation involving a low-level campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, which took place in May, before the dossier officially came into the picture. And maybe that is the case. Yet now Mr. Ohr has testified that top personnel had dossier details around the time they opened the probe.

The Ohr testimony is also further evidence that the FBI misled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in its Page warrant application. We already knew the bureau failed to inform the court it knew the dossier had come from a rival campaign. But the FISA application additionally claimed the FBI was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to Mr. Steele, that he was “reliable,” that his “reporting” in this case was “credible.” and that the FBI only “speculates” that Mr. Steele’s bosses “likely” wanted to “discredit” Mr. Trump.

Speculates? Likely? Mr. Ohr makes clear FBI and Justice officials knew from the earliest days that Mr. Steele was working for the Clinton campaign, which had an obvious desire to discredit Mr. Trump. And Mr. Ohr specifically told investigators that they had every reason to worry Mr. Steele’s work product was tainted.

This testimony has two other implications. First, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans’ memo of 2018—which noted Mr. Ohr’s role and pointed out that the FBI had not been honest about its knowledge of the dossier and failed to inform the court of Mrs. Ohr’s employment at Fusion GPS. The testimony also destroys any remaining credibility of the Democratic response, in which Mr. Schiff and his colleagues claimed Mr. Ohr hadn’t met with the FBI or told them anything about his wife or about Mr. Steele’s bias until after the election.

Second, the testimony raises new concerns about Mr. Mueller’s team. Critics have noted Mr. Weissman’s donations to Mrs. Clinton and his unseemly support of former acting Attorney General Sally Yates’s obstruction of Trump orders. It now turns out that senior Mueller players were central to the dossier scandal. The conflicts of interest boggle the mind.

The Ohr testimony is evidence the FBI itself knows how seriously it erred. The FBI has been hiding and twisting facts from the start.

https://outline.com/ANjgbL
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2019, 04:26:11 PM
Wow


What Bruce Ohr Told the FBI
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
JANUARY 17, 2019

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified...

Justice Department official Bruce Ohr arrives for a congressional hearing in Washington, D.C., Aug. 28, 2018.Photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven. “When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified. “I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

He said he told them that Mr. Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected,” and that his own wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which compiled the dossier. He confirmed sounding all these warnings before the FBI filed its October application for a surveillance warrant against Carter Page. We broke some of this in August, though the transcript provides new detail.

The FBI and Justice Department have gone to extraordinary lengths to muddy these details, with cover from Democrats and friendly journalists. A January 2017 memo from Adam Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, flatly (and incorrectly) insisted “the FBI’s closely-held investigative team only received Steele’s reporting in mid-September.” A May 2018 New York Times report repeated that claim, saying Mr. Steele’s reports didn’t reach the “Crossfire Hurricane team,” which ran the counterintelligence investigation, until “mid-September.”

This line was essential for upholding the claim that the dossier played no role in the unprecedented July 31, 2016, decision to investigate a presidential campaign. Former officials have insisted they rushed to take this dramatic step on the basis of a conversation involving a low-level campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, which took place in May, before the dossier officially came into the picture. And maybe that is the case. Yet now Mr. Ohr has testified that top personnel had dossier details around the time they opened the probe.

The Ohr testimony is also further evidence that the FBI misled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in its Page warrant application. We already knew the bureau failed to inform the court it knew the dossier had come from a rival campaign. But the FISA application additionally claimed the FBI was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to Mr. Steele, that he was “reliable,” that his “reporting” in this case was “credible.” and that the FBI only “speculates” that Mr. Steele’s bosses “likely” wanted to “discredit” Mr. Trump.

Speculates? Likely? Mr. Ohr makes clear FBI and Justice officials knew from the earliest days that Mr. Steele was working for the Clinton campaign, which had an obvious desire to discredit Mr. Trump. And Mr. Ohr specifically told investigators that they had every reason to worry Mr. Steele’s work product was tainted.

This testimony has two other implications. First, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans’ memo of 2018—which noted Mr. Ohr’s role and pointed out that the FBI had not been honest about its knowledge of the dossier and failed to inform the court of Mrs. Ohr’s employment at Fusion GPS. The testimony also destroys any remaining credibility of the Democratic response, in which Mr. Schiff and his colleagues claimed Mr. Ohr hadn’t met with the FBI or told them anything about his wife or about Mr. Steele’s bias until after the election.

Second, the testimony raises new concerns about Mr. Mueller’s team. Critics have noted Mr. Weissman’s donations to Mrs. Clinton and his unseemly support of former acting Attorney General Sally Yates’s obstruction of Trump orders. It now turns out that senior Mueller players were central to the dossier scandal. The conflicts of interest boggle the mind.

The Ohr testimony is evidence the FBI itself knows how seriously it erred. The FBI has been hiding and twisting facts from the start.

https://outline.com/ANjgbL
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 22, 2019, 08:41:21 PM
Beyond BuzzFeed: The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump/Russia Story
Glenn Greenwald
January 20 2019
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on January 22, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
Too bad that federal workers aren't Russian oligarchs,then maybe Trumptard would actually care about them.

Quote
What’s Really Going on with Trump and the Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska?
A sanctions deal cut by the Treasury Dept. provides “Putin’s favorite industrialist” with “hundreds of millions” in debt relief


When President Trump’s Treasury Department proposed lifting sanctions on companies tied to the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in December Secretary Steven Mnuchin vowed that the firms would be forced to “significantly diminish Deripaska’s ownership and sever his control.”

But, the New York Times is now reporting that Treasury’s promises were illusory: “The deal contains provisions that free [Deripaska] from hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while leaving him and his allies with majority ownership of his most important company.”

Publicly, Treasury insisted Deripaksa would receive no cash from the companies that reduced his ownership stake. But citing a confidential Treasury document, the Times reveals that Deripaska is instead being rewarded with the cancellation of bank debt that had been secured with shares of the stock he is losing. Moreover, according to the Times, Deripaska and his allies will retain collective control of the company that holds the majority stake in the aluminum giant Rusal, whose shares have surged on the lifting of sanctions.

The former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, argues that even if the restructuring had been on the level, the Trump approach misses the point of sanctions, which are meant to weaken Putin’s hold on power, not improve corporate governance.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/deripaska-trump-782332/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 22, 2019, 09:16:57 PM
Too bad that federal workers aren't Russian oligarchs,then maybe Trumptard would actually care about them.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/deripaska-trump-782332/

You’re quoting Rolling Stone? Aaa hahahahaha hahaha
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on January 22, 2019, 09:29:41 PM
You’re quoting Rolling Stone? Aaa hahahahaha hahaha

jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 23, 2019, 01:17:01 AM
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good


Posting a Rolling stones article to discuss a New York Times article...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on January 23, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 23, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good


YUP ! we all are Russian Spies  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
You believe that if they had any evidence that Trump was a Russian Manchurian Candidate that it is being held by "tight ship" Mueller?  That's pretty funny.   :)

Anonymous leaks aside, all of us will just have to wait and see what shakes out. How funny is that?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
Anonymous leaks aside, all of us will just have to wait and see what shakes out. How funny is that?

Except for those of us who understand Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the most preposterous political conspiracy theory in American history. 

But that hasn't stopped some of my very smart friends from hoping Mueller has evidence of a conspiracy.  It's crazy. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
Except for those of us who understand Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the most preposterous political conspiracy theory in American history. 

But that hasn't stopped some of my very smart friends from hoping Mueller has evidence of a conspiracy.  It's crazy. 

Your use of the term "understand" is overreaching. It's what some people, including you believe, which is often based on what the media broadcasts. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is no more valid than yours. The difference between us is that I'm open to all possible outcomes, and you seem to have absolutely made up your unwavering  mind. Tell me I am wrong.

Your friends don't seem all that smart to me if evidence of a Russian conspiracy is what they are hoping for. That someone can conspire with another nation to become the President of the U.S. is frightening more than it is crazy.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 05:57:43 PM
Your use of the term "understand" is overreaching. It's what some people, including you believe, which is often based on what the media broadcasts. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is no more valid than yours. The difference between us is that I'm open to all possible outcomes, and you seem to have absolutely made up your unwavering  mind. Tell me I am wrong.

Your friends don't seem all that smart to me if evidence of a Russian conspiracy is what they are hoping for. That someone can conspire with another nation to become the President of the U.S. is frightening more than it is crazy.

You are wrong.  My opinion is based on not only the evidence (or lack thereof) that we have seen to date, but common sense.  It's a stupid conspiracy theory. 

My friends are very smart.  They are just suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Like you.  It's an epidemic. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 25, 2019, 02:30:03 PM
So how is Trump a puppet of Putin's when doing this?  Maduro has good relationships with Russia, China and Cuba.  These three have been bleeding Venezuela dry for decades now.  This can't be good for any of these three countries.

Maduro Squeezed as Trump Recognizes Guaido and Protests Expand

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iXT6sPtRnAHo/v0/-1x-1.jpg)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/trump-said-to-intend-to-recognize-guaido-as-venezuela-president
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on January 25, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
So how is Trump a puppet of Putin's when doing this?  Maduro has good relationships with Russia, China and Cuba.  These three have been bleeding Venezuela dry for decades now.  This can't be good for any of these three countries.

Maduro Squeezed as Trump Recognizes Guaido and Protests Expand

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iXT6sPtRnAHo/v0/-1x-1.jpg)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/trump-said-to-intend-to-recognize-guaido-as-venezuela-president
Putin and Trump are pulling the old double cross on the public since mueller is getting close, any day now he'll be arresting Trump!!!
Any...
day...
now... ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 26, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
Following Trump's lead.  How is this good for Putin?

Spain, France, Germany give Venezuela's Maduro ultimatum

Madrid (AFP) - Spain, France and Germany on Saturday gave embattled Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro an ultimatum, saying they would recognise opposition leader Juan Guaido as president unless he calls elections within eight days.

https://news.yahoo.com/spain-france-germany-venezuelas-maduro-ultimatum-002256985.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 26, 2019, 01:06:05 PM
U.S. intensifies anti-Maduro push as Russia backs Venezuelan ally

WASHINGTON/CARACAS (Reuters) - The United States on Friday intensified its push to drive Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro from power, as U.S. diplomats left the embassy in Caracas and Russia vowed to back its socialist South American ally.

Russia opposes the request and has accused Washington of backing a coup attempt, placing Venezuela at the heart of a growing geopolitical duel. Moscow will insist on compliance with international law, Russia's RIA news agency cited Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying on Friday.

Private military contractors who carry out secret missions for Russia have flown into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for Maduro, sources said.

https://news.yahoo.com/u-diplomats-leave-caracas-embassy-washington-backs-maduro-151027480.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on January 28, 2019, 03:48:11 PM
Don't believe this for a second - won't be until Dec. 2020
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2019, 10:18:55 PM
Very informative discussion.  Puts the current Russia collusion investigation in context and pretty much confirms we will be getting some kind of impeachment report.  Unreal how these people have destroyed so many lives for so long.  



Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on January 29, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good




Russia....country with a fascist/socialist synergy of govt, media and corporations making decisions for the population. The far leftist's dream. Must be difficult to deal with the jealousy that a country has achieved this paradise.

Trump colluding would be getting the far left Dem party closer to their goal. That's how you know this whole thing is a huge amount of smoke and no fire.

In the end the dems want to de-legitimize elections in courts if they lose and change the demographic, kill due process and dismiss/erase the entire founding/history of the USA as a country.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 31, 2019, 07:18:38 AM
New book exposes one of the biggest political scandals in history and the Democrats' unseemly cover-up

January 30, 2019

Investigative reporter and author Luke Rosiak pulls back the curtain on Nancy Pelosi's Democrats in 'Obstruction of Justice.'

(https://infostormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/awan-schultz.png)

https://news.yahoo.com/book-exposes-one-biggest-political-131702819.html



https://video.foxnews.com/v/5996344892001/#sp=show-clips
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on January 31, 2019, 07:21:59 AM
Dan Bongino explaining it. Very good speech. 'Something rotten in Denmark' doesn't even begin to describe what's going on.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on January 31, 2019, 06:55:28 PM
Trump’s Venezuela Sanctions Put Russian Billions at Risk

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-oil-sanctions-put-russian-000100428.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on January 31, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
Trump’s Venezuela Sanctions Put Russian Billions at Risk

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-oil-sanctions-put-russian-000100428.html
I guess Putin will call his BFF Trump and get those sanctions overturned right away!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on February 01, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
Russian jetliner set to ship 20 tons of gold out of Venezuela

Russian financier Maxim Shashenkov discusses the report that a Russian jetliner is set to ship 20 tons of gold out of Venezuela amid the protests against disputed President Nicolas Maduro.

(https://cdn.japantimes.2xx.jp/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/f-nordwind-a-20190201-870x580.jpg)

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/russian-jetliner-set-ship-20-020530908.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Fever Dream: Mueller’s Collusion-Free Collusion Indictment of Roger Stone
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
February 2, 2019
There was no crime until the investigations started.
https://www.guy-stone-indictment-proves-no-evidence-of-collusion/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 04, 2019, 09:59:38 AM
Fever Dream: Mueller’s Collusion-Free Collusion Indictment of Roger Stone
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
February 2, 2019
There was no crime until the investigations started.
https://www.guy-stone-indictment-proves-no-evidence-of-collusion/

Site cannot be reached.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2019, 10:54:24 AM
Site cannot be reached.

The link changes after I save it.  Type the article title in Google and you can pull it up.  Or I'll just paste the article. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2019, 10:55:38 AM
Fever Dream: Mueller’s Collusion-Free Collusion Indictment of Roger Stone
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
February 2, 2019
There was no crime until the investigations started.
https://www.guy-stone-indictment-proves-no-evidence-of-collusion/

Fever Dream: Mueller’s Collusion-Free Collusion Indictment of Roger Stone
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
February 2, 2019 5:30 AM
 
Roger Stone arrives for a news conference in Washington, D.C., January 31, 2019. (Leah Millis/Reuters)
There was no crime until the investigations started.
NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLE
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment of Roger Stone may be the most peculiar document to emerge from the Trump–Russia “collusion” saga. It is an instant classic in the Mueller genre: lots of heavy breathing, then sputtering anti-climax.

After a 20-page narrative about Russian cyber-ops, WikiLeaks’ role as a witting anti-American accomplice, and Trump supporters enthralled by thousands of hacked Democratic emails and visions of the Clinton campaign’s implosion, Stone, a comically inept hanger-on, ends up charged with seven process crimes. No espionage, no conspiracy, no commission of any crime until the investigations started.


This is not to say that obstruction of congressional investigations is trifling. Nor is it to say the accused has a good chance of beating the case. Some of Stone’s alleged lies were mind-bogglingly stupid. Why deny written communications with people you’ve texted a zillion times? Why deny conversations with interlocutors (such as Trump-campaign CEO Steve Bannon) who have no reason to risk a perjury charge to protect you? And don’t even get me started on the witness-tampering count, which, if I were Mueller, I’d have hesitated to include for fear of suggesting an insanity defense. (Do it for Nixon? Pull a “Frank Pentangeli”?)

That said, the case is overcharged. The tampering count carries a 20-year penalty. Adding an obstruction or false-statements count (five years each) would have given Stone (who is 66 years old) prison exposure of up to 25 years. The most central “colluder” in the Mueller firmament to be bagged so far, George Papadopoulos, was sentenced to a grand total of two weeks’ imprisonment. Surely a quarter-century of “potential” incarceration would have sufficed to give prosecutors the “this is serious stuff” headline they crave while allowing for the more representative sentence Stone will eventually receive — who knows, maybe three weeks? But true to form, Mueller instead included six of these five-year counts — so the press can report that Stone faces up to 50 years in the slammer.

This inflated portrait of Stone as a major criminal was further bloated by the scene of his arrest: a well-armed battalion of FBI agents sent to apprehend him as the media, conveniently on hand at 6 a.m., took it all in. But Stone is just a cameo. The big picture is the overarching Trump–Russia investigation. It’s still being inflated, too.

NOW WATCH: 'Hillary Clinton Mulling 2020 Run'

Prosecutors ordinarily do not write an elaborate narrative about crimes they cannot prove. Here, though, Mueller uses Stone as the pretext to spell out the Big Collusion Scheme: Candidate Donald Trump instructs Stone to coordinate with WikiLeaks on the dissemination of Clinton dirt stolen by Russia; Stone directs his associate, Jerome Corsi, to have Corsi’s man in London, Ted Malloch, make contact with WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange, who is holed up at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. Malloch must have succeeded, because next thing you know, Corsi is reporting back to Stone: Our friends the Russian hackers have given WikiLeaks all this damaging information on Hillary, including the Podesta emails; it will all be rolled out in October, right before the election.

It’s a sensational story. Only . . . it’s just a story.

Mueller doesn’t even pretend he can prove it. No shame in that: During a long investigation, prosecutors always develop a theory of the case. Often, the hypothesis doesn’t pan out. No problem. You narrow your indictment down to what you can prove and call it a day. In Stone’s case, that would dictate omitting the ambitious collusion narrative and stripping down to a two-page obstruction-of-Congress indictment. Instead, Mueller gives us the fever dream: Stone as a key cog in the collusion wheel. Where reality intrudes, the prosecutors float suggestions they cannot prove or leave out key details that blow up the narrative.


The special counsel could have contented himself with easy-to-prove false-statements charges against Stone: lying about whether his WikiLeaks communications were documented in writing; lying about whether he asked his friend Randy Credico to pass a request for specific Hillary Clinton information to Assange; lying about whether he ever told the Trump campaign about his WikiLeaks conversations with Credico.

But no, Mueller strains to accuse Stone of falsely denying that he had a second WikiLeaks “intermediary” — whom the indictment indicates was Jerome Corsi, Stone’s Infowars associate. Depending on how charitable you want to be, this claim is either risibly weak, flatly wrong, or dependent on a distortion of the word “intermediary.” To repeat, the “intermediary” thread adds nothing to the case against Stone. It is a pretext for weaving the collusion narrative without having to prove it.

To amplify the indictment a bit with reporting by the Daily Caller’s Chuck Ross, Credico — a left-wing comedian and radio host — got access to Assange through a radical lawyer, Margaret Ratner Kunstler, who has done work for WikiLeaks. That apparently did not happen until shortly before August 25, 2016, when Assange appeared as a guest on Credico’s radio show. According to the indictment, Credico first texted Stone about Assange’s imminent appearance on August 19.


Prosecutors, however, suggest that Stone had a line into Assange and WikiLeaks starting at least two months earlier. “By in or around June and July 2016,” goes the slippery allegation, Stone was telling Trump officials he had information that WikiLeaks possessed damaging Hillary Clinton documents. In Mueller’s telling, this makes Stone seem like a potentially valuable WikiLeaks insider when, on July 22, WikiLeaks began publishing thousands of DNC emails. Immediately, a “senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information [WikiLeaks] had regarding the Clinton campaign.”

If not from Credico, from whom, pray tell, did Stone learn what WikiLeaks was up to? Who is the other intermediary?

In truth, he didn’t need one. He had two sources of information about WikiLeaks — neither of them Corsi, neither of them sensibly thought of as an “intermediary.” These sources go unmentioned in the indictment. Worse, while the prosecutors finger Corsi as Stone’s hidden “intermediary,” their evidence does not support this claim — and they know it, so they fudge it.

Let’s start with the two sources Mueller omits.

Turns out it is not just Stone who was alerted long before the Democratic convention that WikiLeaks might have damaging information on Clinton. Everyone on the planet who cared to be informed about such things knew. On June 12, 2016, in an interview that was widely reported, Assange said that WikiLeaks planned to expose documents relating to Hillary Clinton that could affect the 2016 election. Was Stone, the self-styled dark-politics devotee, pressing sources for an entrée into WikiLeaks? Sure he was. But that doesn’t mean he had one. And he didn’t need one in order to direct the Trump campaign’s attention to WikiLeaks; Assange was calling the world’s attention to himself.

The second omitted source? It was James Rosen, then a top reporter at Fox News — though Rosen seems to have had no idea he was playing that role. To understand what happened, we need to consider the July 25 Stone–Corsi email that the indictment treats like a smoking gun — but consider it in the context of an earlier July 25 email that the indictment fails to include.

As noted above, on July 22, someone very high up in the Trump campaign — perhaps the candidate himself, though we are not told — ordered a top campaign official to reach out to Stone. Just three days later, Stone sent Corsi an email with the subject line “Get to [Assange].” Stone exhorted Corsi to try to reach the WikiLeaks leader “at Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending emails . . . they deal with the [Clinton] Foundation allegedly” (emphasis added).

So why did Stone believe WikiLeaks had Clinton Foundation documents? Well, Stone is acquainted with Charles Ortel, an investor who dabbles in investigative journalism and has focused intently on the Clinton Foundation. Ortel has occasional correspondence with James Rosen. In an email exchange on July 25, Rosen told Ortel, “Am told WikiLeaks will be doing a massive dump of HRC emails related to the CF [i.e., the Clinton Foundation] in September.” Ortel proceeded to forward this email to Stone. Only after seeing Rosen’s email did Stone contact Corsi to say that Assange “allegedly” had Clinton Foundation emails that Corsi should try to acquire.

Obviously, Stone did not need a WikiLeaks intermediary to give him a heads-up about a possible Clinton Foundation dump. He happened upon that information indirectly from a member of the press (Rosen), through an acquaintance (Ortel). And he did not need Corsi as an intermediary — Stone is the one who alerted Corsi, not the other way around.

The indictment says that, shortly after receiving Stone’s July 25 email imploring him to make contact with Assange, Corsi forwarded it to a “supporter of the Trump campaign” in the United Kingdom — reported by Chuck Ross to be Ted Malloch, a London-based American who used to be a business professor at Oxford and has ties to British populists. Subsequently, on Sunday July 31, Stone emailed Corsi to “call me MON,” stressing that Corsi’s associate should “see [Assange].”

Well, did that happen? Did Corsi’s man Malloch make contact with WikiLeaks?

If you read nothing but Mueller’s indictment, you assume he must have. After all, the next thing we are told about is Corsi’s email report to Stone on Tuesday, August 2. Corsi (then vacationing in Italy) wrote: “Word is friend in embassy [i.e., Assange] plans 2 more dumps, one shortly after I’m back [which was to be in mid August]. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.” Corsi added:

Time to let more than [Podesta] to be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC [Clinton]. That appears to be game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke — neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for foundation debacle.

The implication is clear: Malloch must have reached Assange, gotten the critical information, and passed it along to Corsi so it could be communicated to Stone and the Trump campaign. Corsi is the intermediary! Coordination! Collusion!

But Mueller is hiding the ball again. The indictment makes no mention of the facts that Malloch denies knowing anything about WikiLeaks, that Corsi denies having any sources with inside knowledge about WikiLeaks, and that prosecutors appear to accept these denials.

So how did Corsi get the “2 more dumps” of information (or gossip) that he dished to Stone? He made it up — or, more benignly, he claims to have figured it out on his own. Reportedly, Mueller’s prosecutors were as frustrated as they were incredulous over Corsi’s unlikely claim. But they don’t have a better explanation. In the negotiations over a plea offer (on a charge of lying to investigators), which Corsi has resisted, Mueller’s prosecutors drafted an agreed-upon “Statement of the Offense.” In it, Corsi was to admit that “his representations to [Stone], beginning in August 2016, that he had a way of obtaining confidential information from [WikiLeaks] were false.”

Corsi is another strange character in this drama. He is a notorious bomb-thrower, and his memory is spotty. But one can understand why the special counsel seems to accept his story about not having a WikiLeaks source: His information was spectacularly wrong. He surmised that Assange would release information that Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, had serious medical problems; this would be a prelude to devastating disclosures about the Clinton Foundation. Corsi’s fever dream never came true, either.

But how can Corsi have been Stone’s intermediary to WikiLeaks if he had no way of obtaining confidential information from WikiLeaks?

Stone, meantime, points out that neither he nor Corsi made reference to Podesta’s emails. He denies any awareness that Assange had them, and plausibly contends that the reference to Podesta in his conversation with Corsi (and in his later tweet on August 21 that “the Podesta’s [sic] in the barrel” was coming) related to a lobbying company started by John Podesta and his brother Tony. That company had done work for the same Kremlin-backed Ukrainian political party served by Paul Manafort — Trump’s campaign manager, and Stone’s former business partner. It was at the very time when Stone and Corsi were discussing WikiLeaks and Podesta that a July 31 New York Times exposé appeared, outlining Manafort’s lobbying entanglements with these Ukrainians. Tellingly, Mueller does not contend that Stone’s denial of foreknowledge about WikiLeaks’ Podesta dump is false.

Again, understand: It is not just that Mueller can’t prove Corsi was Stone’s intermediary. Mueller has no need to try to prove it. He has an overwhelming obstruction and witness-tampering case against Stone without it. The indictment’s “intermediary” plot line is just a device for prosecutors to spin the Trump–Russia–WikiLeaks collusion yarn. They are careful not to plead it in a conspiracy count; just an “introductory” narrative — no formal charge, no burden to prove it, and no need to reveal stubborn facts that undermine it. Since it is superfluous to the process charges against Stone, he may not even challenge it. Maybe he will plead guilty, and the narrative will stand as the government’s unrebutted version of events.

And this is just the indictment of a bit player. Makes you look forward to the special counsel’s final report, no?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2019, 12:09:03 PM
Dan Bongino explaining it. Very good speech. 'Something rotten in Denmark' doesn't even begin to describe what's going on.



Nailed it.  No one has ever answered the "paragraph 1" question:  how did this entire investigation start? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 07, 2019, 03:55:27 AM
2020 will be a bloodbath. CNN tells me Harris is the favorite for the D's...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 07, 2019, 04:14:36 AM
God, she's a moron.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 08, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
Adam Schiff, Glenn Simpson and their Forrest Gump-like encounter in Aspen
2/7/2019
By John Solomon
Opinion Contributor

The new House Intelligence Committee chairman, Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), has proven to be his party’s most effective antagonist toward President Trump. And now, with the new powers of being chairman, he is drawing both new weapons and new scrutiny.

Sometimes such scrutiny inevitably turns to questions of hypocrisy.

Which bring us to the issue of some photographs taken at the prestigious Aspen security conference last July.

They show Schiff meeting at the event with Fusion GPS Founder Glenn Simpson, one of the key and most controversial figures in the Russia collusion scandal. Both men insisted to me through spokesmen that they met only briefly last July.

At the time of the encounter, Simpson was an important witness in the House Intelligence Committee probe who had given sworn testimony about alleged, but still unproven, collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Simpson ran the firm hired by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic Party to find dirt on Trump in Moscow. He employed retired British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose infamous and unverified dossier became the main evidence for the FBI’s probe of the Trump campaign, particularly the surveillance warrant against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

And by the time of the meeting, the House Intelligence Committee had already received evidence from a senior Justice Department official, Bruce Ohr, that called into question Simpson’s testimony to lawmakers.

Specifically, Simpson claimed he had not begun meeting with Ohr until after Thanksgiving 2016, well after the FBI had begun investigating Trump-Russia collusion and after the presidential election in which Simpson's client, Clinton, lost to Trump.

But Ohr provided compelling evidence, including calendar notations, testimony and handwritten notes, showing that Simpson met with him in August 2016, well before the election and during a time when Steele was helping the FBI start an investigation into Trump.

When confronted with the Aspen conference photos of Schiff, in sport coat and open-neck dress shirt, and Simpson, wearing casual attire, representatives for both men tried to minimize their discussion, insisting nothing substantive about the Russia case was discussed.

“In the summer of 2018, Mr. Simpson attended a media-sponsored social event where he exchanged small talk with Rep. Schiff and many other people who were in attendance,” Fusion GPS said in a statement to me. “The conversation between the two was brief and did not cover anything substantive. There has been no subsequent contact between Mr. Simpson and Rep. Schiff.”

The congressman’s response was even more vague: “The chairman did not have any pre-planned meeting with Glenn Simpson, and any conversation with him at the Aspen conference would have been brief and social in nature,” Schiff spokesman Patrick Boland said.

Translation: This was just a Forrest Gump-like moment in which the Democrats’ chief defender of the dossier and the man whose firm produced it met serendipitously.

There is nothing illegal or technically improper about a congressman meeting, intentionally or unintentionally, with a witness in an investigation. At least not under the law or the House Intelligence Committee’s rules.

But Schiff created a far higher standard two years ago when he demanded that his Republican counterpart on the committee, then-Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), be investigated for having meetings with national security council officials at the Trump White House without telling the committee. Schiff’s attacks led Nunes to temporarily recuse himself from the Russia probe.

Schiff assailed Nunes’s contacts with a source outside the committee confines as “a dead-of-night excursion” and said it called into question the impartiality of the inquiry because the committee wasn’t informed.

“I believe the public cannot have the necessary confidence that matters involving the president’s campaign or transition team can be objectively investigated or overseen by the chairman,” Schiff said at the time.

So how did Schiff meet his own standards? Boland declined to say if his boss told the committee about his Simpson contact.

But both GOP and Democratic officials on the committee, including some lawmakers, said there is no evidence that Schiff disclosed his contact with Simpson to committee members.

“I don't know if they’re under any obligation to disclose it but, certainly if we were conspiracy theorists the way that my Democrat colleagues appear to be, we could weave an awful tale into that and weave all kinds of nonsense about it,” Rep. Mike Conaway, the Texas Republican who took over the Russia probe when Nunes recused himself, told Hill.TV.

“Had the tables been turned and I had been seen at a circumstance like that, my guess is [Schiff] would have demanded I had a full conversation as to what I did,” he added.

Conaway touched on another observation.

Simpson has become a Gump-like character who keeps showing up in so many different places in the Russia scandal: He’s the owner of the company that was paid by Clinton for the Steele dossier, the guy who hired Steele to create the dossier, the one who met with Ohr at the Justice Department, who pitched reporters writing Trump dirt at the end of the campaign and who met with the Russian woman and an American lobbyist at the heart of the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting.

And then, he shows up with Schiff in Aspen.

“It’s interesting that Simpson is at the heart of the dossier and the dossier played a mighty role in not only going after Carter Page but in much of Adam’s and Eric Swalwell’s [D-Calif.] quest to find collusion, that [Schiff] would in fact in that exact same conversation, or time frame, be in conversation or appear to be in conversation with the guy who’s principally responsible for the dossier,” Conaway said.

Whatever happened in Aspen won’t stay in Aspen much longer. Expect Republicans in Washington to launch some questions at the House’s new Intelligence Committee chairman.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/429041-adam-schiff-glenn-simpson-and-their-forrest-gump-like-encounter-in-aspen
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 11, 2019, 04:06:49 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 12, 2019, 03:53:18 AM
Oh dear...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: IroNat on February 12, 2019, 03:56:33 AM
Russian-Style Kleptocracy Is Infiltrating America

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/how-kleptocracy-came-to-america/580471/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on February 12, 2019, 05:00:31 AM
;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=631667.0;attach=770713;image)

LOL
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 09:07:33 AM
Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia
"We were never going find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.
Feb. 12, 2019
By Ken Dilanian
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&fbclid=IwAR11EgJwBog3tkF1mRi52oTaARteoPsF3CIYjtNi1rQbHImjHGgqa9R_xG0
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 12, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 12, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia
"We were never going find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.
Feb. 12, 2019
By Ken Dilanian
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&fbclid=IwAR11EgJwBog3tkF1mRi52oTaARteoPsF3CIYjtNi1rQbHImjHGgqa9R_xG0
Where are the Getbig libtards?  On suicide watch???
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 12, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
Nailed it.  No one has ever answered the "paragraph 1" question:  how did this entire investigation start? 

Suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 election triggered the investigation.

The investigation officially started with this: Late July 2016 - The FBI begins a counter-intelligence investigation of Russian meddling in the election. Russian meddling in the election began in March 2016 - Around this date, Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, begins a cyber campaign aimed at interfering with the 2016 presidential election, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

Various events and findings have morphed the FBI investigation into where it is today.

March 20, 2017 - FBI Director James Comey for the first time publicly confirms the bureau’s Russia counter-intelligence investigation.

May 17, 2017 - Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the No. 2 Justice Department official, appoints former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 12, 2019, 11:44:51 AM
Fever Dream: Mueller’s Collusion-Free Collusion Indictment of Roger Stone
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
February 2, 2019 5:30 AM

Thank you for posting this article on Getbig. It's a very interesting and well written read for an opinion piece. Andrew McCarthy can be cunningly convincing.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 12, 2019, 11:49:52 AM
Suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 election triggered the investigation.

The investigation officially started with this: Late July 2016 - The FBI begins a counter-intelligence investigation of Russian meddling in the election. Russian meddling in the election began in March 2016 - Around this date, Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, begins a cyber campaign aimed at interfering with the 2016 presidential election, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

Various events and findings have morphed the FBI investigation into where it is today.

March 20, 2017 - FBI Director James Comey for the first time publicly confirms the bureau’s Russia counter-intelligence investigation.

May 17, 2017 - Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the No. 2 Justice Department official, appoints former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.



FALSE

It was a made up tail from Day 1 - i feel bad for you - even in your elder years so easily duped
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 12, 2019, 12:00:40 PM
FALSE

It was a made up tail from Day 1 - i feel bad for you - even in your elder years so easily duped

(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2522029/size/tmg-article_tall;jpeg_quality=20.jpg)  ;D ;D ;D

What was a made up tale....Russian meddling in the election?

Reading from prepared remarks, Trump said that he accepted the broad consensus of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia meddled in the election, then ad-libbed that there “could be other people also.” Time
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 12, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2522029/size/tmg-article_tall;jpeg_quality=20.jpg)  ;D ;D ;D

What was a made up tale....Russian meddling in the election?

Reading from prepared remarks, Trump said that he accepted the broad consensus of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia meddled in the election, then ad-libbed that there “could be other people also.” Time
Please quit trying to deflect.  You know Trump had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and that's what this 2 year shit show was all about.  The whole fake investigation was about Trump not whether random Russian hackers tried to do anything to influence our election.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
Where are the Getbig libtards?  On suicide watch???

This isn't going to matter.  They are never letting this nutty conspiracy theory go. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
Suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 election triggered the investigation.

The investigation officially started with this: Late July 2016 - The FBI begins a counter-intelligence investigation of Russian meddling in the election. Russian meddling in the election began in March 2016 - Around this date, Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, begins a cyber campaign aimed at interfering with the 2016 presidential election, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

Various events and findings have morphed the FBI investigation into where it is today.

March 20, 2017 - FBI Director James Comey for the first time publicly confirms the bureau’s Russia counter-intelligence investigation.

May 17, 2017 - Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the No. 2 Justice Department official, appoints former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.



That doesn't answer the question.  What was the evidence they relied on to start the investigation and who, specifically, were the targets/subjects? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 12:59:20 PM
Thank you for posting this article on Getbig. It's a very interesting and well written read for an opinion piece. Andrew McCarthy can be cunningly convincing.

 ::)  There is nothing cunning about Andrew McCarthy or the article.  You've obviously never listened to the man speak.  He is as straight a shooter as there is. 

That said, you know you cannot dispute any of the facts outlined in his article. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 01:17:22 PM
Former Trump lawyer slams Mueller probe, maintains president will be cleared: 'Knock it off and get it done'
Dowd spoke with ABC for the premiere of a new podcast called The Investigation.
By Kyra Phillips, Chris Vlasto, Matthew Mosk and John SantucciFeb 11, 2019

Excerpt:

“I know exactly what [Mueller] has,” Dowd said. “I know exactly what every witness said, what every document said. I know exactly what he asked. And I know what the conclusion or the result is,” he said, describing the sweeping efforts by Trump’s legal team to assess the case by speaking to dozens of witnesses. Based on that knowledge, Dowd said, “there's no basis. There's no exposure. It's been a terrible waste of time.”

I know exactly what (Mueller) has. I know exactly what every witness said, what every document said. I know exactly what he asked. And I know what the conclusion or the result is.

Dowd’s overall view of the investigation -- he called it "one of the greatest frauds this country's ever seen" -- echoes Trump's claim that it is a hoax or a witch hunt.

. . . .

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-lawyer-slams-mueller-probe-maintains-president-cleared/story?id=60967234
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 12, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
Sessions should get KTFO for this one.  He created this mess
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2019, 02:08:44 PM
Sessions should get KTFO for this one.  He created this mess

Absolute truth. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on February 14, 2019, 12:21:44 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2019, 03:50:45 PM


Trying to put the worst possible spin on this.  The Trump campaign had "hundreds of contacts with Russians."   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on February 14, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Trying to put the worst possible spin on this.  The Trump campaign had "hundreds of contacts with Russians."   ::)
Looks like they have nothing on him.  WHat a waist of time and money, and it divided the country further.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2019, 08:27:43 PM
Looks like they have nothing on him.  WHat a waist of time and money, and it divided the country further.

I agree.  It is one of the biggest farces of our lifetime. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 15, 2019, 04:00:27 AM
I agree.  It is one of the biggest farces of our lifetime. 
Rush Limbaugh has been on this debunking for two years.  He explained everything the deep state, the media and the left have been doing the whole time.  Everything he said was right on.  Anyone who listened has been ahead of this the whole time and was not fooled.  Of course the idiots on the left would never pay attention to Rush and now they are all butthurt and confused. 8)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on February 23, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/17/autopsy-of-a-dead-coup/ (https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/17/autopsy-of-a-dead-coup/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 23, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
2020 will be a bloodbath. CNN tells me Harris is the favorite for the D's...

Interesting that she can't see the irony in that comment, which is that her party is the one that campaigned on all those things that divide us.  Those issues were a puddle of gasoline that Dems have taken a fucking blowtorch to light up the sky with. 

Trump campaigned on "Make America Great Again" it was all about US......that didn't exclude gays or any minorities....that are here LEGALLY!  It was meant to unite us, not divide us.

Hillary on the other hand; was all about her, and getting her big moment as the 1st female president..."I'm With Her" A slogan that is true to it's intentions in making you pick a side...her side.  It divided, not united U.S.!

Back to Kamala's statement....the hypocrisy of making her campaign about those things under the disguise of that catchy little "civil rights" theme, makes it even more disgusting and pathetic.

I don't get how those on the left can't see what's right in front of them.....it's not even being hidden or implied anymore....IT IS RIGHT THERE!  JUST OPEN YOUR EYES!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2019, 03:50:38 PM
Please quit trying to deflect.  You know Trump had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and that's what this 2 year shit show was all about.  The whole fake investigation was about Trump not whether random Russian hackers tried to do anything to influence our election.

I know nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 23, 2019, 03:53:30 PM
Looks like they have nothing on him.  WHat a waist of time and money, and it divided the country further.

Freudian slip?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 23, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
Freudian slip?


WAIT A DAMN MINUTE.......oh my gawsh..........did you just......no way....no you didn't.......ahhhh....did you're leftist "we love all of humanity" fingers just type out the implication Trump was fat?   

What did the left call it when Trump made fun of Rosie's lard ass?

"Fat-shaming", was it?

I guess it's ok for your side though....so loving and all, right? ::)

Your side, and now you; are exposing yourselves more and more this year.......and we're not even to the 3rd month yet.  Sad :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on February 25, 2019, 06:10:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0BFrkWVAAEIlUN.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 27, 2019, 04:45:14 PM

WAIT A DAMN MINUTE.......oh my gawsh..........did you just......no way....no you didn't.......ahhhh....did you're leftist "we love all of humanity" fingers just type out the implication Trump was fat?   

What did the left call it when Trump made fun of Rosie's lard ass?

"Fat-shaming", was it?

I guess it's ok for your side though....so loving and all, right? ::)

Your side, and now you; are exposing yourselves more and more this year.......and we're not even to the 3rd month yet.  Sad :'(

You must have a vivid imagination to have made this leap. Get the fuck off my back!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 27, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
You must have a vivid imagination to have made this leap. Get the fuck off my back!
:D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 27, 2019, 07:57:41 PM
You must have a vivid imagination to have made this leap. Get the fuck off my back!

Sure thing....sorry I hurt your feelings.

Would you please correct my error, and explain what you were implying when you highlighted "waist" being used incorrectly.  Freudian slip isn't something one would call just a simple spelling error.

Please explain, and I will delete that post if it's warranted.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 27, 2019, 08:00:09 PM
Well that was a dud.  I was certain Cohen was going to drop a dime on President Trump about colluding with Russia to win the presidential election.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/cohen-testimony-read/index.html?fbclid=IwAR24BAUrvwnd8nzsLT2gMyTtlibw811L0l94_0RliLWwLZnunnOUf3cAW-k
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 27, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
Well that was a dud.  I was certain Cohen was going to drop a dime on President Trump about colluding with Russia to win the presidential election.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/cohen-testimony-read/index.html?fbclid=IwAR24BAUrvwnd8nzsLT2gMyTtlibw811L0l94_0RliLWwLZnunnOUf3cAW-k


Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 27, 2019, 11:13:32 PM
If you can't get removed from office doing what Slick Willy did then no way does Stormy Daniels pre-POTUS story have any effect on Trump being or staying in office. More histrionics, delusion and waste of time.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on February 28, 2019, 02:03:55 AM

Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.

lol. yup, we were duped! Trump seemed soooooo squeaky clean back in 2015-2016 when he was on the campaign trail. That's why Cohen was working Pro Bono as Trump's lawyer.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 28, 2019, 04:29:16 AM

Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 28, 2019, 04:31:36 AM
If you can't get removed from office doing what Slick Willy did then no way does Stormy Daniels pre-POTUS story have any effect on Trump being or staying in office. More histrionics, delusion and waste of time.

I don't think Clinton should have been impeached, but these situations are not the same.  Clinton broke the law.  Trump did not. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on February 28, 2019, 06:04:02 AM
Banana Republic here we come...............

https://www.nysun.com/national/could-us-face-regime-change-in-trump-era/90589/ (https://www.nysun.com/national/could-us-face-regime-change-in-trump-era/90589/)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2019, 02:05:22 PM

Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.
Can you explain the "irrefutable evidence" part?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2019, 05:04:06 PM

Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.

Where is the Russia collusion ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 28, 2019, 07:52:48 PM

Nah, so far he just provided irrefutable evidence via submitted checks that Trump blatantly lied about knowing about the payoff to Stormy.. but no one on the right cares about integrity so it was a bust.

It's not that we don't care, it's that..

1) He campaigned on things he's said going back to the 80's, as opposed to Hillary who hasn't spoken consistent words for any 4 year period in her life.
2) He's keeping his campaign promises, and taking the job seriously
3) The Dems have severely worse issues when it comes to integrity, credibility, and even likability

1+2+3 = Their fucked, they know it, and destroying Trump's name is the only hope the have. :'(

Sorry, but deep down you know that's all 100% truth!
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:05:43 PM
Rush Limbaugh has been on this debunking for two years.  He explained everything the deep state, the media and the left have been doing the whole time.  Everything he said was right on.  Anyone who listened has been ahead of this the whole time and was not fooled.  Of course the idiots on the left would never pay attention to Rush and now they are all butthurt and confused. 8)

Rush.... explained..... it.... bwhahahahahahahahahahaha! ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:06:34 PM
Can you explain the "irrefutable evidence" part?

not to you...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 28, 2019, 08:21:04 PM
not to you...

^It's interesting that your response when challenged is always something along the lines of this, or "figure it out"

You never have an intelligent response to anything you are questioned/challenged on....EVER.

Being a smart ass once in a while is funny, and all in fun here on this site.  Trying to appear like you're being a smart ass over and over and over and..........really just makes you seem like a dumb ass A007.

A person with true convictions, and beliefs of their own would be more than happy to back them up or justify them at some point.  You're a former cop.  Based on your views of the world I doubt you saw much action, but I'm sure you know from your fellow officers that actually dealt with scum for a living that my statement here is true.

Just sayin dude..
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:28:44 PM
^It's interesting that your response when challenged is always something along the lines of this, or "figure it out"

You never have an intelligent response to anything you are questioned/challenged on....EVER.

Being a smart ass once in a while is funny, and all in fun here on this site.  Trying to appear like you're being a smart ass over and over and over and..........really just makes you seem like a dumb ass A007.

A person with true convictions, and beliefs of their own would be more than happy to back them up or justify them at some point.  You're a former cop.  Based on your views of the world I doubt you saw much action, but I'm sure you know from your fellow officers that actually dealt with scum for a living that my statement here is true.

Just sayin dude..

Dude... a few posts up is a picture of a check Trump wrote to Cohen... I shouldn't have to hold peoples hands but maybe I do.. Cohen testified Trump of course knew of the pay off, and reimbursed Cohen in a series of checks like this to fly under the radar... Pretty solid evidence when you look at the number of checks.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2019, 08:30:57 PM
Dude... a few posts up is a picture of a check Trump wrote to Cohen... I shouldn't have to hold peoples hands
He was Trumps lawyer at the time that check was written? Would you have suggested Trump pay him in cash? ::)

^It's interesting that your response when challenged is always something along the lines of this, or "figure it out"

You never have an intelligent response to anything you are questioned/challenged on....EVER.

Being a smart ass once in a while is funny, and all in fun here on this site.  Trying to appear like you're being a smart ass over and over and over and..........really just makes you seem like a dumb ass A007.

A person with true convictions, and beliefs of their own would be more than happy to back them up or justify them at some point.  You're a former cop.  Based on your views of the world I doubt you saw much action, but I'm sure you know from your fellow officers that actually dealt with scum for a living that my statement here is true.

Just sayin dude..
From this moment henceforth he shall be called Pat. ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:32:10 PM
He was Trumps lawyer at the time that check was written? Would you have suggested Trump pay him in cash? ::)
From this moment henceforth he shall be called Pat. ;D

IF you didn't hear Cohens testimony and see the checks he submitted into evidence then I guess that would explain your ignorance. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2019, 08:41:10 PM
IF you didn't hear Cohens testimony and see the checks he submitted into evidence then I guess that would explain your ignorance. 
Did Trump write "to pay off hookers" in the memo space? You and I have no idea what those checks were written for, your hatred of Trump forces you to believe a convicted liar.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:42:12 PM
Did Trump write "to pay off hookers" in the memo space? You and I have no idea what those checks were written for, your hatred of Trump forces you to believe a convicted liar.

Even if he had, we would be arguing if it was that particular hooker...  :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2019, 08:47:13 PM
Even if he had, we would be arguing if it was that particular hooker...  :)
Not really.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Not really.

I'm pretty sure we would...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2019, 08:51:50 PM
I'm pretty sure we would...
Cool
So in your professional opinion a cancelled check to a former empoyee is enough to convince you of guilt?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 28, 2019, 08:56:49 PM
Cool
So in your professional opinion a cancelled check to a former empoyee is enough to convince you of guilt?

So it is clear to me you didn't listen to the testimony. It was a series of checks that equaled what was widely known was paid out to cover the cost. That was just one example posted. Ther were several checks that were submitted into evidence. then you add the tape recordings of Trump discussing paying her and you have a strong case, But I will say this, even if there was a Video of Trump signing the check, to pay for keeping Stormy quiet, I believe your fall back position would be "So?" and honestly you wouldn't be alone.

Paying off a porn star as far as I know isn't a crime. Lying about it isn't a crime. these are all character and integrity flaws which we apparently don't care about these days. It really all comes down to where those checks from campaign funds. If they were not, then there is nothing to see here. Just more lies from a guy we know lies. If they were, then let the chips fall where they may
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 28, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
So it is clear to me you didn't listen to the testimony. It was a series of checks that equaled what was widely known was paid out to cover the cost. That was just one example posted. Ther were several checks that were submitted into evidence. then you add the tape recordings of Trump discussing paying her and you have a strong case, But I will say this, even if there was a Video of Trump signing the check, to pay for keeping Stormy quiet, I believe your fall back position would be "So?" and honestly you wouldn't be alone.

Paying off a porn star as far as I know isn't a crime. Lying about it isn't a crime. these are all character and integrity flaws which we apparently don't care about these days. It really all comes down to where those checks from campaign funds. If they were not, then there is nothing to see here. Just more lies from a guy we know lies. If they were, then let the chips fall where they may

I watched it.  The checks prove that Trump wrote a check to Cohen.  That's it.  And of course he would be giving Cohen money for services rendered.  What a bombshell.   

But assuming this was a reimbursement to pay Stormy Daniels for her nondisclosure agreement, that is not a violation of the law.  A candidate is allowed to make unlimited contributions to his own campaign.  It's another dumb non-issue for people suffering from TDS. 

What I was really waiting to hear was proof that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress, as reported by Buzzfeed and numerous other outlets.  No bombshell there. 

I was also waiting to hear about this Russia conspiracy theory.  Nothing. 

But I did hear that Trump didn't pay for an abortion, didn't use drugs, didn't have a love child, and didn't have prostitutes pee on his bed.  What an embarrassing show.   ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on February 28, 2019, 09:33:30 PM
Dude... a few posts up is a picture of a check Trump wrote to Cohen... I shouldn't have to hold peoples hands but maybe I do.. Cohen testified Trump of course knew of the pay off, and reimbursed Cohen in a series of checks like this to fly under the radar... Pretty solid evidence when you look at the number of checks.

I saw it from you, before I even logged onto GB, and I heard him testify about it.  Do I believe he paid Stormy Daniels to keep shut?  YES!  Are you happy?

Do you believe anything we've tried to tell you about the Clintons and how fucked up this country would be if she'd won?  Did you watch the clip of Dinesh D'Souza's speech I posted, or how about the suggestion of watching his movie on the history of the Democratic Party "Hillary's America" and then watching Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 11/9" for fair time, and for comparison and contrast (my hope was it would lead to a good discussion)?  I'm guessing the answer is no to it all....except maybe the Michael Moore film.

Not one single person on the left has had the nuts to answer Coach directly in the thread I'm talking about which contains the vid I'm mentioning here.....that thread also contains 40 years of campaign slogan history of the Republicans and Democrats I posted to illustrate  how and when identity politics became a thing for dems, and how it is them NOT Trump that led to the divisiveness we have now. 

I welcomed/challenged everyone to comment, but no one......especially on the left can be bothered with a post over 144 characters, or a vid that can't watch in under 5 minutes. (Chaos excluded...he watched the vid)  So now you've seen me call out my fellow "Trumptards" too......something you claim we'd never do in the JS thread.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on March 01, 2019, 01:56:16 AM
Dude... a few posts up is a picture of a check Trump wrote to Cohen... I shouldn't have to hold peoples hands but maybe I do.. Cohen testified Trump of course knew of the pay off, and reimbursed Cohen in a series of checks like this to fly under the radar... Pretty solid evidence when you look at the number of checks.

and you were a cop...  ::)

taking the word of someone who has already been indicted for lying to Congress
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 01, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
and you were a cop...  ::)

taking the word of someone who has already been indicted for lying to Congress

You forgot the golden rule - Orange Man BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - anyone who says something to reinforce Orange Man BAD!!!!!!!!! = Good, should get medal of honor. Also known as confirmation bias
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 01, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
Can you explain the "irrefutable evidence" part?

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 01, 2019, 05:11:07 PM
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He was a lawyer and providing legal services
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 01, 2019, 05:21:03 PM
Did Trump write "to pay off hookers" in the memo space? You and I have no idea what those checks were written for, your hatred of Trump forces you to believe a convicted liar.

Where is the memo space? Is it the blacked out section at the bottom of the check? I doubt Trump would incriminate himself by identifying the purpose of the check as being to reimburse Cohn for hush money he paid to a hooker. But then, he sometimes does and says some pretty idiotic things. A good question might be why is the memo section redacted?

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on March 01, 2019, 05:46:09 PM
Where is the memo space? Is it the blacked out section at the bottom of the check? I doubt Trump would incriminate himself by identifying the purpose of the check as being to reimburse Cohn for hush money he paid to a hooker. But then, he sometimes does and says some pretty idiotic things. A good question might be why is the memo section redacted?



the blacked out part is account info and likely routing number


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: The Scott on March 01, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
Did Trump write "to pay off hookers" in the memo space? You and I have no idea what those checks were written for, your hatred of Trump forces you to believe a convicted liar.

He needs to loosen his collar and breathe.
(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/serious-man-wearing-dog-cone-picture-id151518509)
Typical cuckoldian dem.    Fuck the BSLEO. 

FTN.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 01, 2019, 06:54:21 PM
He needs to loosen his collar and breathe.
(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/serious-man-wearing-dog-cone-picture-id151518509)
Typical cuckoldian dem.    Fuck the BSLEO. 

FTN.

There will be no cone wearing for me. I'm very claustrophobic.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on March 01, 2019, 06:59:31 PM
Trumptards should try to keep in mind that Republicans started investigating Clinton over a real estate deal and ended up impeaching him for lying about getting a blowjob

There are so many potential things for which Trump could be impeached or even indicted

His entire family is basically a multigenerational crime family

#S.D.N.Y
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 01, 2019, 07:37:58 PM
Where is the memo space? Is it the blacked out section at the bottom of the check? I doubt Trump would incriminate himself by identifying the purpose of the check as being to reimburse Cohn for hush money he paid to a hooker. But then, he sometimes does and says some pretty idiotic things. A good question might be why is the memo section redacted?



 ???

 :P

 :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on March 01, 2019, 07:55:11 PM
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Do you think Trump should have paid Cohen in cash?

I guess the only real way to tell is to pull Cohens bank records and see if those amounts went out of the account also or just into it. Since we're pulling Cohens bank records, we might as well investigate any other suspicious activity discovered while we're at it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: The Scott on March 02, 2019, 06:05:57 AM
Trumptards should try to keep in mind that Republicans started investigating Clinton over a real estate deal and ended up impeaching him for lying about getting a blowjob

There are so many potential things for which Trump could be impeached or even indicted

His entire family is basically a multigenerational crime family

#S.D.N.Y


You really are the product of an evening of mindless sibling passion, coupled with a decade or more of arduous drug ingestion.

In plain speech, a typical liberal. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 02, 2019, 08:55:34 AM
You really are the product of an evening of mindless sibling passion, coupled with a decade or more of arduous drug ingestion.

In plain speech, a typical liberal. 

Shoulda just stopped......it was perfect on it's own 8)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: The Scott on March 02, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Shoulda just stopped......it was perfect on it's own 8)

Well, given that I used some "big" words, I though it best to dumb it down for him.   ;)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 02, 2019, 10:11:33 AM
Trumptards should try to keep in mind that Republicans started investigating Clinton over a real estate deal and ended up impeaching him for lying about getting a blowjob

There are so many potential things for which Trump could be impeached or even indicted

His entire family is basically a multigenerational crime family

#S.D.N.Y

I thought it was supposed to be about Russian collusion?  Now you libtards have moved on from that embarrassment and want to just investigate his whole life desperate to find something...anything to get him.  Be careful because if we start investigating every politician's life I'm sure many of your democrat butt buddies are going down fast.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 02, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
I thought it was supposed to be about Russian collusion?  Now you libtards have moved on from that embarrassment and want to just investigate his whole life desperate to find something...anything to get him.  Be careful because if we start investigating every politician's life I'm sure many of your democrat butt buddies are going down fast.

It's all kabuki theater, no way politicians are going to let this thing get out of hand, will shed to much light on the cockroaches
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 02, 2019, 10:21:40 AM
It's all kabuki theater, no way politicians are going to let this thing get out of hand, will shed to much light on the cockroaches
Yeah, they can't attack Trump on the economy or really anything and they are still so butthurt he won the election.  As much as they hate him they secretly admire him.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Moontrane on March 02, 2019, 05:06:00 PM
I thought it was supposed to be about Russian collusion?  Now you libtards have moved on from that embarrassment and want to just investigate his whole life desperate to find something...anything to get him.  Be careful because if we start investigating every politician's life I'm sure many of your democrat butt buddies are going down fast.

If the SDNY find a pre-President crime, they can pursue it after 2025, and then President Rubio would pardon him forthwith.   ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 02, 2019, 07:02:04 PM
Do you think Trump should have paid Cohen in cash?

I guess the only real way to tell is to pull Cohens bank records and see if those amounts went out of the account also or just into it. Since we're pulling Cohens bank records, we might as well investigate any other suspicious activity discovered while we're at it.

You missed a step. Cohen took out a home equity loan to pay off Daniels. That money may never have been deposited in one of his liquid accounts. However, a record of the home equity loan might be available.

Yes I do think Trump should have reimbursed Cohen in cash if he wanted the money untraceable. However, I doubt even Trump keeps that much cash on hand.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on March 02, 2019, 08:13:35 PM
You missed a step. Cohen took out a home equity loan to pay off Daniels. That money may never have been deposited in one of his liquid accounts. However, a record of the home equity loan might be available.

Yes I do think Trump should have reimbursed Cohen in cash if he wanted the money untraceable. However, I doubt even Trump keeps that much cash on hand.
How do we know Cohen took a home equity loan to pay off Daniels? Did he write that on the loan papers?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 02, 2019, 08:20:30 PM
How do we know Cohen took a home equity loan to pay off Daniels? Did he write that on the loan papers?

Why even bother at this point.  He's never going to read or watch anything other than what he wants to believe.  I think Prime's a good guy who is old and set in his ways.  Nothing will ever change his thoughts except whatever the media sources are that creates his thoughts for him.  I'm just letting it go at this point.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 03, 2019, 03:28:30 PM
How do we know Cohen took a home equity loan to pay off Daniels? Did he write that on the loan papers?

Ask the folks at First Republic Bank. They filed a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) with the U.S. Treasury’s FinCen unit on the Cohen account. In a 2016 loan application, Cohen claimed to have a net worth of $40 million. It is very likely the bank didn't ask the reason for the loan. First Republic Bank caters, almost exclusively, to the super wealthy. The wire was sent from Cohen’s Essential Consultants LLC account at First Republic Bank. Essential is a real estate consulting company that collects fees for investment consulting work.

Cohen stated that he made the payment to Daniels using his equity line of credit. This should be fairly easy to prove or disprove from bank records. If you're going to question something, it should be if the Essential Consultants LLC account is tied to the equity line of credit. Second question; Why was Stormy Daniels paid $130,000 if it was not  "hush money."

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 03, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Ask the folks at First Republic Bank. They filed a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) with the U.S. Treasury’s FinCen unit on the Cohen account. In a 2016 loan application, Cohen claimed to have a net worth of $40 million. It is very likely the bank didn't ask the reason for the loan. First Republic Bank caters, almost exclusively, to the super wealthy. The wire was sent from Cohen’s Essential Consultants LLC account at First Republic Bank. Essential is a real estate consulting company that collects fees for investment consulting work.

Cohen stated that he made the payment to Daniels using his equity line of credit. This should be fairly easy to prove or disprove from bank records. If you're going to question something, it should be if the Essential Consultants LLC account is tied to the equity line of credit. Second question; Why was Stormy Daniels paid $130,000 if it was not  "hush money."



No one here is saying it wasn't hush money.

I guess all left-tards are pretending a certain 3 new threads in this section never existed, while those of us non left-tards are waiting to see how creative ya'll can get with your replies.....

....even though we know none of you will reply at all, and will instead try to restart dying conversations in other previous threads. 

What's the word for that again???

You've been trying the word out here lately.....c'mon help me out here Prime.......rhymes with perfecting...... ???

(aka being spineless regarding your beliefs)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 03, 2019, 04:24:41 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2019, 04:07:46 PM
Another conviction and sentence having zero to do with the Trump-Russia Conspiracy theory.

Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months in prison on bank and tax fraud charges
By Alex Pappas, Nicole Darrah | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/paul-manafort-sentenced-on-bank-and-tax-fraud-charges
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on March 07, 2019, 04:09:14 PM
Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months in prison on bank and tax fraud charges

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort on Thursday was sentenced to 47 months in prison after a federal jury in Virginia convicted him on eight counts of bank and tax fraud last year.

Manafort’s conviction in August made him the first campaign associate of Trump found guilty by a jury as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis emphasized ahead of sentencing that the Manafort case is not about Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Manafort, who has been dealing with health issues, looked unwell as he entered the courtroom in a wheelchair. He told Ellis the last two years have been the most difficult he and his family have ever experienced, and appeared to choke up a bit as he told the judge he appreciated the trial that has been conducted.

He is still facing additional years in prison from another case: After his conviction in Virginia, Manafort pleaded guilty in Washington to foreign lobbying violations and witness tampering as part of a plea deal with prosecutors. He has not yet been sentenced in that case, and Mueller’s team recently asked a federal judge to sentence him to 24 years in prison and order him to pay as much as a $24 million fine. But his hopes for a reduced sentence in the Washington case may be in jeopardy after a federal judge recently found that he lied to Mueller’s team in response to some, but not all, of their inquiries. The ruling voids his plea deal and exposes Manafort, at a minimum, to a harsher sentence.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/paul-manafort-sentenced-on-bank-and-tax-fraud-charges
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 07, 2019, 04:25:33 PM
No one here is saying it wasn't hush money.

I guess all left-tards are pretending a certain 3 new threads in this section never existed, while those of us non left-tards are waiting to see how creative ya'll can get with your replies.....

....even though we know none of you will reply at all, and will instead try to restart dying conversations in other previous threads. 

What's the word for that again???

You've been trying the word out here lately.....c'mon help me out here Prime.......rhymes with perfecting...... ???

(aka being spineless regarding your beliefs)

You'll get no help from me. It's great when ya'll on the right have no one to discuss politics with but each other. Shake hands pat each other on the back...you deserve it.  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2019, 05:32:19 PM
You'll get no help from me. It's great when ya'll on the right have no one to discuss politics with but each other. Shake hands pat each other on the back...you deserve it.  ;D

You mean like almost all of the MSM? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on March 12, 2019, 05:55:51 AM
U.S. election commission fines Jeb Bush Super PAC, Chinese company

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“Today’s action is a rare and remarkable step by the FEC, and a reminder that safeguarding our elections against foreign interference is in America’s vital national security interests,” said Campaign Legal Center President Trevor Potter.

The FEC alleges that two Chinese citizens, Gordon Tang and Huaidan Chen, who are prohibited from making campaign donations, funneled their contributions through APIC to avoid detection.

APIC was fined $550,000 for making the contributions and Right to Rise was fined $390,000 for soliciting a foreign national contribution.

Federal law prohibits foreign nationals or foreign companies from contributing to U.S. political campaigns or candidates.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-election-commission-fines-jeb-bush-super-pac-205459721.html

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on March 15, 2019, 02:59:25 PM
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

Newly unsealed court filings show the office of the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., shared with the FBI and a host of media outlets the unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had compromising information on now-President Trump.

McCain had denied being the source for BuzzFeed after it published the dossier, which was funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, but had acknowledged giving it to the FBI.

In a newly unsealed declaration from September, former senior counterintelligence FBI agent Bill Priestap confirmed that the FBI received a copy of the first 33 pages of the dossier in December 2016 from McCain.

In another filing, David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate -- said in a Dec. 13, 2017, deposition that the dossier was given to him by author and former British spy Christopher Steele, which he then provided to more than a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post. The details were first reported by The Daily Caller.

The report was also shared with State Department official Victoria Nuland, Obama National Security Council official Celeste Wallander and Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.

In his deposition, Kramer said that McCain gave a copy of the dossier to then-FBI Director James Comey on Dec. 9. Kramer told investigators that it was the sense from Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson that “having Senator McCain provide it to the FBI would give it a little more oomph than it had had up until that point.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on March 22, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 22, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

Newly unsealed court filings show the office of the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., shared with the FBI and a host of media outlets the unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had compromising information on now-President Trump.

McCain had denied being the source for BuzzFeed after it published the dossier, which was funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, but had acknowledged giving it to the FBI.

In a newly unsealed declaration from September, former senior counterintelligence FBI agent Bill Priestap confirmed that the FBI received a copy of the first 33 pages of the dossier in December 2016 from McCain.

In another filing, David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate -- said in a Dec. 13, 2017, deposition that the dossier was given to him by author and former British spy Christopher Steele, which he then provided to more than a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post. The details were first reported by The Daily Caller.

The report was also shared with State Department official Victoria Nuland, Obama National Security Council official Celeste Wallander and Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.

In his deposition, Kramer said that McCain gave a copy of the dossier to then-FBI Director James Comey on Dec. 9. Kramer told investigators that it was the sense from Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson that “having Senator McCain provide it to the FBI would give it a little more oomph than it had had up until that point.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier

This is why McCain is blasted now - he was a prick and a douchebag. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 22, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618
Of course they will keep investigating as it's all the hope they've got.  The left is a mess right now within their own party and don't stand a chance in 2020 unless they 1) use fake news and made up crimes through these investigations or 2) the fed tanks the economy to help the libs.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2019, 02:54:44 PM
Ok.  Good.  I hope they release the entire report so we can read all about how Trump conspired with Russia to win the election so he could become a Russian puppet.

Mueller submits long-awaited Russia probe report to Justice Department
By Elizabeth Zwirz, Alex Pappas | Fox News

Robert Mueller submits report to Attorney General William Barr
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has submitted to Attorney General Bill Barr his long-awaited report on the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential race and possible collusion with Trump associates -- marking the end of the politically explosive probe and the beginning of a new battle over its contents and implications.

The report was delivered earlier Friday afternoon to the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s office and it was delivered to Barr’s office within minutes, a senior DOJ official told Fox News. The White House was notified that the DOJ had received the report around 4:45 p.m., before lawmakers on Capitol Hill were informed.


Both Barr and Rosenstein have seen the report, according to a senior DOJ official.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders tweeted following the report's submission.

"The next steps are up to Attorney General Barr, and we look forward to the process taking its course," she said. "The White House has not received or been briefed on the Special Counsel’s report."

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Rudy Giuliani and Jay Sekulow, both of whom are counselors to Trump, also released a joint statement.

“We’re pleased that the Office of Special Counsel has delivered its report to the attorney general pursuant to the regulations," the statement said. "Attorney General Barr will determine the appropriate next steps.”

Several lawmakers, including Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., received a letter about the report's submisision. Graham is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Feinstein is the ranking member.

“Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III has concluded his investigation of the Russian interference in the 2016 election and related matters," the letter said.

Barr also said that he “may be in a position to advise you of the Special Counsel’s principal conclusions as soon as this weekend.”

“Separately, I intend to consult with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Special Counsel Mueller to determine what other information from the report can be released to Congress and the public consistent with law, including the Special Counsel regulations, and the Department’s long-standing practices and policies," it continued.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., released a joint statement, urging that the report's contents be made public.

“Now that Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to the Attorney General, it is imperative for Mr. Barr to make the full report public and provide its underlying documentation and findings to Congress," the statement said. "Attorney General Barr must not give President Trump, his lawyers or his staff any ‘sneak preview’ of Special Counsel Mueller's findings or evidence, and the White House must not be allowed to interfere in decisions about what parts of those findings or evidence are made public."

“The Special Counsel’s investigation focused on questions that go to the integrity of our democracy itself: whether foreign powers corruptly interfered in our elections, and whether unlawful means were used to hinder that investigation," the statement continued. "The American people have a right to the truth. The watchword is transparency.”

It’s not clear how much, if any, of the report will be made public or provided to Congress. None of Mueller’s findings were immediately released.

The president has repeatedly decried Mueller’s probe as a “witch hunt,” emphatically denying he or his campaign colluded with Russia to undermine Democrat Hillary Clinton’s chances in the 2016 race. The president has alleged a slew of internal “conflicts of interest” from Mueller’s team and has previously said his legal team is drafting a “major counter report” in response to its findings.

Mueller’s investigation, which was initially ordered to look into the 2016 election in May of 2017, has gone on for almost two years. It has expanded to probe financial crimes of Trump associates before the election, conversations Trump’s national security adviser had with the Russians during the transition and whether Trump obstructed justice with his comments and actions related to the probe.

Mueller, the former director of the FBI under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, was appointed special counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in May of 2017. In his order, Rosenstein directed Mueller to investigate any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign, as well any other matters that arose from the investigation.

“If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters,” Rosenstein wrote to Mueller.

Since then, Mueller’s team has indicted, convicted, or won guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies as part of an investigation that has also probed issues unrelated to the 2016 campaign.

Twenty six Russian nationals and three Russian companies have been charged with interfering in the 2016 presidential election.

But none of the Trump associates connected to Trump have been charged with crimes related to collusion, though Mueller’s team charged former Trump associate Roger Stone in January with lying about his communications with WikiLeaks, which published hacked Democratic emails during the election.

Other convictions include: former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who both pleaded guilty to making false statements in 2017.

Former campaign adviser Rick Gates in 2018 pleaded guilty and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was convicted and later pleaded guilty in a separate financial crimes case dating back before the 2016 election.

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements in a case brought by Mueller in November.

Alex van der Zwaan, a London-based lawyer, pleaded guilty to making false statements this year, and Richard Pinedo, a California man, pleaded guilty to identity fraud in 2018.

Mueller has also looked at actions taken by Trump after sworn in as president, like his firing of FBI director James Comey and his ousting of Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Sessions, once one of President Trump’s most loyal and trusted advisers infuriated Trump over his recusal from the Russia investigation. In March 2017, Sessions announced his plans to recuse himself after reports surfaced detailing undisclosed conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the campaign.

At the time of his recusal, Sessions said he met with the “relevant senior career department officials” to discuss the issue.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for president of the United States,” Sessions said.

Rosenstein, Sessions’ number two at the Justice Department, then took control of the investigation and decided to appoint Mueller to take over the probe – an investigation Trump has repeatedly lambasted as a “phony witch hunt.”

Rosenstein said at the time, “What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.”

Mueller said in a statement, upon his appointment: “I accept this responsibility and will discharge it to the best of my ability.’’

Rosenstein later ceded oversight to then-acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker when he took over for Sessions. But the report was submitted to Barr, who was confirmed in February by the Senate as attorney general.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-submits-long-awaited-russia-probe-report-to-justice-department
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 22, 2019, 06:37:31 PM
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618

Based on your comments, I gather you and whoever "us" is have had private conversations with democratic lawmakers and/or their aides.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 25, 2019, 04:20:57 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2019, 04:23:50 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on March 26, 2019, 08:49:28 AM
If Trump doesn't support the acting President of Venezuela, then he's colluding with Russia and he's a Putin poppet.

If Trump supports the acting President of Venezuela, then he is meddling, aiding a coup, and pushing regime change in Venezuela.  

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US will not 'stand idly' on Russian role in Venezuela: Pompeo

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 26, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
That's hilarious.

You're 100% right that the dems should accept the big picture conclusions and move on.
BUT, they won't.
This is the way politics work now. Screw the final conclusion UNLESS you agree with it before . Pathetic! :-[

I went to a Mike Mentzer seminar back in the 90's when he was re-introducing Heavy Duty.
I know he lost a controversial Olympia to ARNOLD, but c'mon dude, move the fuk on!




That t shirt and how many indictments of Trumps closest advisers?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 26, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
That's hilarious.

You're 100% right that the dems should accept the big picture conclusions and move on.
BUT, they won't.
This is the way politics work now. Screw the final conclusion UNLESS you agree with it before . Pathetic! :-[

I went to a Mike Mentzer seminar back in the 90's when he was re-introducing Heavy Duty.
I know he lost a controversial Olympia to ARNOLD, but c'mon dude, move the fuk on!




Since when did a 4 page summary prepared by one person with questionable aligences/bias become a final conclusion? Show me the report or go home.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 26, 2019, 09:50:28 PM
Since when did a 4 page summary prepared by one person with questionable aligences/bias become a final conclusion? Show me the report or go home.










"it's still real to me dammit!"
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on March 26, 2019, 09:58:22 PM
That t shirt and how many indictments of Trumps closest advisers?
And how many of those were collusion?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 26, 2019, 10:06:00 PM
And how many of those were collusion?

None. None were collusion which Trump made sure was the focus and admittedly many of his  followers fell for.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 27, 2019, 09:15:19 AM
What cracks me up is how predictable the reaction was going to be.
Team Trump was only going to accept "no collusion" and left wanted him to be in bed with Putin.

Now , Trump and his side and saying it was a complete hoax .
Ok, so if the whole thing was bullshit, how come they believe Muller's conclusion.
Why isn't that bullshit too?

Easy> Anything that goes Trump's way is 100% right.
Anything that makes Trump look bad is " fake news".


The Hoax is that Trump is\was a Russian agent. Did the Ruskies try to do shit to interfere? Sure, just like we do, so what? More selective outrage, and if you believe this is the first time some foreign nation has done this, I have bridge in Brooklyn for sale
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on March 27, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
What cracks me up is how predictable the reaction was going to be.
Team Trump was only going to accept "no collusion" and left wanted him to be in bed with Putin.

Now , Trump and his side and saying it was a complete hoax .
Ok, so if the whole thing was bullshit, how come they believe Muller's conclusion.
Why isn't that bullshit too?

Easy> Anything that goes Trump's way is 100% right.
Anything that makes Trump look bad is " fake news".

^
Definitely not a logic teacher, lol
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on March 27, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
None. None were collusion which Trump made sure was the focus and admittedly many of his  followers fell for.
So are you saying the accusations of collusion aren't what spurred the last 2 years of politic persecution in the media?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 27, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
The Hoax is that Trump is\was a Russian agent. Did the Ruskies try to do shit to interfere? Sure, just like we do, so what? More selective outrage, and if you believe this is the first time some foreign nation has done this, I have bridge in Brooklyn for sale

So does this mean you are cool with foreign powers, some allies and some not, interfering in future U.S. elections? FYI, I don't believe Trump is or was a Russian agent and anyone who says so without absolute proof is going too far. Do I think Trumps business dealings with Russia is a conflict of interest? You bet I do.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on March 27, 2019, 11:37:19 AM
I don't know about the last 2 years, but it's pretty clear they wanted Fat Donny to win 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

I'm NOT saying Trump was directly involved , since he was cleared by Mueller.
BUT, we have the FBI, CIA and DNI all saying the Russians hacked into various social media to influence political opinion in 2016.
Did anything you saw on social media influence the way you voted in 2016?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 27, 2019, 11:46:03 AM
Did anything you saw on social media influence the way you voted in 2016?

Only statements which came directly from the horse's (Trump's) mouth. Media opinions don't count for much, if anything.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 27, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
So does this mean you are cool with foreign powers, some allies and some not, interfering in future U.S. elections? FYI, I don't believe Trump is or was a Russian agent and anyone who says so without absolute proof is going too far. Do I think Trumps business dealings with Russia is a conflict of interest? You bet I do.

No, but pot meet kettle, you can't fuck with other countries, then act outraged when they do the same to you. Every country has an equivalent to the CIA, working to get the guy they want to run the country, this is nothing new and is not going to change
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 27, 2019, 12:18:48 PM
No, but pot meet kettle, you can't fuck with other countries, then act outraged when they do the same to you. Every country has an equivalent to the CIA, working to get the guy they want to run the country, this is nothing new and is not going to change

I think the operative word is shouldn't and not can't.  Because we can and do, just as you posted. Anyone can be outraged about anything they choose even when it is hypocritical to do so. Outrage isn't against the law.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 27, 2019, 12:23:43 PM
I think the operative word is shouldn't and not can't.  Because we can and do, just as you posted. Anyone can be outraged about anything they choose even when it is hypocritical to do so. Outrage isn't against the law.

Who cares, the only reason this is even getting any play is because Hillary lost the election.  Same with the electoral college non-sense, don't get your way change the rules. The US is well aware of what other nations are doing, we have entire agencies devoted to counter intelligence operations. Like I have said before is manufactured\selective outrage
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on March 27, 2019, 12:30:54 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 27, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
Good Lord.  Swalwell is one dumb mofo.   :-\

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Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 28, 2019, 12:03:11 AM
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Post by: Dos Equis on March 28, 2019, 10:55:14 AM
The Mueller report renders thousands of T-shirts irrelevant
“It’s Mueller time” T-shirts are already disappearing from the internet.
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An “It’s Mueller Time” shirt spotted in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in January. Amy Beth Bennett/South Florida Sun Sentinel/TNS via Getty Images
The Goods

As of the morning of March 25, searching “Mueller” on Etsy would give you precisely 2,374 results. Items range from punny T-shirts declaring that “It’s Mueller time” to enamel pins featuring the special counsel Robert Mueller’s disconcertingly square jaw to many rather uncomfortable prayer candles. “Dear Mr. Mueller, Please hurry up, k? From, The Majority,” reads one T-shirt.

He did, and as of this weekend, the “Mueller Report,” for all intents and purposes, is out. Though all we have is Attorney General Bill Barr’s four-page summary, and there are still two ongoing federal investigations into Trump that are being handled by the Justice Department, the document concerning the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with Russia during the 2016 presidential election has been completed.

Unfortunately for the purveyors of cutesy Mueller merchandise, however, the report that was supposed to mean the downfall of the president did not exactly do its job. The Trump campaign did not collude with Russian operatives, according to Mueller, and now, 2,374 of the items on Etsy are essentially worthless. Even the director Spike Lee created his own Russiagate merch, a T-shirt that read “God protect Robert Mueller,” where proceeds go to the nonprofit Generation Citizen. (Some of them are still available.)

Of course, screenprinting a political catchphrase onto a T-shirt is far less work than, say, writing a book whose title literally hinges on Mueller’s findings, such as the professor and pundit Seth Abramson’s forthcoming Proof of Conspiracy: How Trump’s International Collusion Is Threatening American Democracy. But there is still an inherent tragedy to a now-unusable piece of clothing that is made irrelevant not by the ebbs and flows of fashion trends but by documents compiled by a 74-year-old lawyer.

As Ian Bogost writes in the Atlantic on the Mueller-industrial complex (which includes the scores of Etsy souvenirs as well as the frequent portrayals of Mueller as a folk hero on Saturday Night Live and other late-night comedy shows), “It’s more than yet another fusion of 24-hour information, meme culture, and internet opportunism. It also speaks to Americans’ strong desire to anticipate the future, and to live in the present as if that future has already arrived, and in the way they’d planned it to besides.”

A gloating “It’s Mueller time” T-shirt, then, is made more depressing because it reveals all the ways in which we fail so spectacularly at both predicting the future and accepting the most constant and universal aspect of being alive, which is uncertainty.

When a team loses the Super Bowl, their winning merchandise is immediately banished from the country. They are, by the order of the NFL, never to be seen on television or the internet and instead shipped off to a warehouse, after which a charity will distribute them to people in developing nations. Per the New York Times, “This way, the NFL can help one of its charities and avoid traumatizing one of its teams.”

There is no such governing body for the T-shirts that presumed the Mueller report would reveal something more salacious, but it appears that at least some of the sellers have governed themselves — by the time I finished writing this piece, Etsy’s “Mueller” results had dropped to 2,366.

In no way do the findings of Mueller’s report preclude anyone from monetizing the current political atmosphere in the form of T-shirts, however. As journalist Brittany Shepherd noted on Twitter, there are now those on Etsy who lionize the Southern District of New York, where the investigations into the hush money that Trump allegedly paid women with whom he’d had affairs will be taking place.

Brittany Shepherd

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 ughHHGhhhgh southern district of new york investigation fan tees are now available on etsy dot com

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It’s not as if the nauseatingly rapid T-shirt screenprinting industry is going to slow down anytime soon. T-shirts on sites like RedBubble or CustomInk are almost entirely user-generated, and there are countless other companies that sell T-shirts that don’t even exist yet, digitized and emblazoned with phrases generated by algorithms.

Which means that for every possible political viewpoint, implausible hope, or conspiracy theory, there will be a way for merch sellers to capitalize on it. But unlike, say, the cottage industry of QAnon merch, a Mueller prayer candle was a preemptive celebration of a definitive end result. Now that that result turned out to be the wrong one (for the candle, anyway), it’s rendered entirely worthless. QAnon, on the other hand, is a complicated, sometimes contradictory conspiracy theory that to some true believers will probably never be proven false. Even if President Donald Trump never ends up locking up Hillary Clinton on Guantanamo Bay, QAnon supporters are free to claim it was all part of the plan, thus Q merch still retains its meaning.

But if there is a lesson here, it is this: Spending any amount of money on a T-shirt that makes a pun out of a political event is almost always deeply embarrassing, and no one should ever do it.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/25/18280859/mueller-report-t-shirt-its-mueller-time
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 28, 2019, 10:55:53 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 28, 2019, 11:45:32 AM
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Robert Mueller would only need God to protect him if he was investigating a Clinton
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 28, 2019, 11:55:56 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ! 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on March 28, 2019, 12:13:01 PM
Donald Trump tells Russia to 'get out' of Venezuela as tensions rise

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Donald Trump has demanded that Russia “get out” of Venezuela after 100 of its troops landed to help embattled president Nicolás Maduro, escalating a war of words between Washington and Moscow.

The US president’s rebuke was delivered while he held White House talks with the wife of Juan Guaidó, the Venezuelan opposition politician who has declared himself interim president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tells-russia-venezuela-071640089.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on March 28, 2019, 12:20:21 PM
Who cares, the only reason this is even getting any play is because Hillary lost the election.  Same with the electoral college non-sense, don't get your way change the rules. The US is well aware of what other nations are doing, we have entire agencies devoted to counter intelligence operations. Like I have said before is manufactured\selective outrage
  ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 28, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
Who cares, the only reason this is even getting any play is because Hillary lost the election.  Same with the electoral college non-sense, don't get your way change the rules. The US is well aware of what other nations are doing, we have entire agencies devoted to counter intelligence operations. Like I have said before is manufactured\selective outrage

Truth.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 28, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
  ::)

How can I argue with that well crafted rebuttal?      ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on March 28, 2019, 03:08:35 PM
This did not age well.  What a dishonest dummy.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 28, 2019, 03:31:41 PM
This did not age well.  What a dishonest dummy.



Selling lies to the gullible liberal idiots desperate for anything to grasp to
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on March 28, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
This did not age well.  What a dishonest dummy.



Little Adam Schitt.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on March 28, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
Little Adam Schitt.
Love how Trump calls him pencil neck.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 28, 2019, 09:00:15 PM
Love how Trump calls him pencil neck.

I hate how people encourage this President to act like a school yard 12 year old bully.  It's part of whats wrong with this country
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 29, 2019, 02:25:57 AM
Love how Trump calls him pencil neck.
Trump got that from Rush Limbaugh.  Rush has been calling him that for a year.  :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on March 29, 2019, 10:02:21 AM
I hate how people encourage this President to act like a school yard 12 year old bully.  It's part of whats wrong with this country
I hate how people encourage well known false investigations/spread easily discredited lies for years. It's a much bigger part of what's wrong with this country.

(Also pretty tame compared to nazi, racist, hitler, etc.)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 29, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
I hate how people encourage this President to act like a school yard 12 year old bully.  It's part of whats wrong with this country

Why does this get on your nerves so much?  Seriously, it's the world we live in now with social media.  You condone and partake in the same behavior every single day you log into and post on getbig.com

Since the left has essentially buried comedians and their art is now dead, I find it refreshing that Trump is still so blunt and tries to have fun while getting shit done.  As long as he's getting the results I voted for, he's doing just fine in my book.....and he has greatly surpassed my expectations of what I thought he could accomplish in 2 years.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: myt1 on March 29, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
I hate how people encourage well known false investigations/spread easily discredited lies for years. It's a much bigger part of what's wrong with this country.

(Also pretty tame compared to nazi, racist, hitler, etc.)

Very valid points Maz!  Don't forget "Putin's Puppet", "Comrade", "Traitor", etc. all directed at a man that was the victim of a loser's real collusion with Russia.  And now that it's been proven we were right, I see zero apologies on Trump's tweeter.  Not even "happy for our country to learn you're not a real traitor after all" :'(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Kazan on March 29, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
This did not age well.  What a dishonest dummy.



I want an investigation into Schiff and the payoff on his sexual abuse issues while in the government.......
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2019, 08:03:34 PM
Skip to comments.

Devin Nunes ups the ante: Two dozen people could be hit by criminal referral
Washington Examiner ^ | April 03, 2019 10:29 PM , Updated Apr 04, 2019, 07:52 AM | Daniel Chaitin
Posted on 4/5/2019, 7:52:58 PM by Candor7

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., appeared to raise exceptions for the number of people who could be the subject of a criminal referral he plans to submit to the Justice Department in the coming days that focuses on the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation.

The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee has been teasing a referral for months and previously predicted its delivery by the end of next week.

During a Fox News interview Wednesday evening, Nunes walked back his prior certainty the referral would be ready by Friday due to the burgeoning challenge of ensnaring as many individuals as possible. Inside the Magazine: April 2 Watch Full Screen to Skip Ads

"The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice. We are working on the referrals," Nunes said. "There's going to be many of them. There are going to probably at least be a dozen if not two dozen individuals, and as we continue to get more information and build these and build them out, we want to make sure that everything is finished before we turn them in."

Affirming commentary by host Sean Hannity about preventing future underhanded tactics to undermine President Trump, Nunes said, "There are people who definitely lied and misled Congress, OK? If they don't go to prison, we are going to have a two-tier Justice Department, justice system in this country and it is not going to be good for the American people."

Nunes has not named anyone who could appear in a referral, nor has he provided a specific number of people who would be targeted.

But there have been clues beyond him saying that "many" people would be criminally referred.

In February he said the GOP minority in the House Intelligence Committee offered up the names of roughly a dozen people they want to subpoena as the Democrats revitalize the panel's Russia investigation, although he said it was doubtful the Democratic majority would cooperate. Instead Nunes has looked to Attorney General William Barr to make headway toward completing an investigation begun last year by a joint GOP-led task force comprising the Judiciary Committee and the Oversight Committee. Key to this effort, which has been bolstered by intelligence panel Republicans, was investigators looking over roughly 15 transcripts of interviews conducted by the task force last year.

In recent weeks, House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins, R-Ga., released transcripts of the private interviews of former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, his wife Nellie Ohr, former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos, and former top FBI official Bill Priestap.

Nunes has also railed against what he says is collusion between the Democrats and the Russians, pointing to use of the unverified Trump dossier by the FBI to obtain FISA warrants to spy on onetime Trump campaign official Carter Page as proof of an unraveling operation to undermine the president. That dossier, compiled by British ex-spy Christopher Steele, was funded in part by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee. .

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2019, 08:52:25 PM
Skip to comments.

Devin Nunes ups the ante: Two dozen people could be hit by criminal referral
Washington Examiner ^ | April 03, 2019 10:29 PM , Updated Apr 04, 2019, 07:52 AM | Daniel Chaitin
Posted on 4/5/2019, 7:52:58 PM by Candor7

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., appeared to raise exceptions for the number of people who could be the subject of a criminal referral he plans to submit to the Justice Department in the coming days that focuses on the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation.

The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee has been teasing a referral for months and previously predicted its delivery by the end of next week.

During a Fox News interview Wednesday evening, Nunes walked back his prior certainty the referral would be ready by Friday due to the burgeoning challenge of ensnaring as many individuals as possible. Inside the Magazine: April 2 Watch Full Screen to Skip Ads

"The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice. We are working on the referrals," Nunes said. "There's going to be many of them. There are going to probably at least be a dozen if not two dozen individuals, and as we continue to get more information and build these and build them out, we want to make sure that everything is finished before we turn them in."

Affirming commentary by host Sean Hannity about preventing future underhanded tactics to undermine President Trump, Nunes said, "There are people who definitely lied and misled Congress, OK? If they don't go to prison, we are going to have a two-tier Justice Department, justice system in this country and it is not going to be good for the American people."

Nunes has not named anyone who could appear in a referral, nor has he provided a specific number of people who would be targeted.

But there have been clues beyond him saying that "many" people would be criminally referred.

In February he said the GOP minority in the House Intelligence Committee offered up the names of roughly a dozen people they want to subpoena as the Democrats revitalize the panel's Russia investigation, although he said it was doubtful the Democratic majority would cooperate. Instead Nunes has looked to Attorney General William Barr to make headway toward completing an investigation begun last year by a joint GOP-led task force comprising the Judiciary Committee and the Oversight Committee. Key to this effort, which has been bolstered by intelligence panel Republicans, was investigators looking over roughly 15 transcripts of interviews conducted by the task force last year.

In recent weeks, House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins, R-Ga., released transcripts of the private interviews of former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, his wife Nellie Ohr, former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos, and former top FBI official Bill Priestap.

Nunes has also railed against what he says is collusion between the Democrats and the Russians, pointing to use of the unverified Trump dossier by the FBI to obtain FISA warrants to spy on onetime Trump campaign official Carter Page as proof of an unraveling operation to undermine the president. That dossier, compiled by British ex-spy Christopher Steele, was funded in part by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee. .

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Good, but I doubt anything happens.  Those criminal referrals seem to get lost in the Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 11, 2019, 03:57:41 PM
(https://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2019/04/13/steve_kelley_steve_kelley_for_apr_01_2019_5_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2019, 07:03:48 AM
Comey scoffs at Barr testimony, claims ‘surveillance’ is not ‘spying’
Fox News ^ | 12 April 2019 | Brooke Singman
Posted on 04/12/2019 6:44:24 AM PDT by Magnatron

Former FBI Director James Comey joined the chorus of Democratic critics complaining about Attorney General Bill Barr’s testimony this week that “spying did occur” against the 2016 Trump campaign, claiming he has no idea what the Justice Department leader is talking about -- and saying he “never thought of” electronic surveillance as “spying.”

Comey sought to draw a distinction between surveillance -- which was authorized against a Trump adviser -- and spying during a cybersecurity conference in California on Thursday, echoing Democratic lawmakers who have accused Barr of going too far in his Senate testimony this week.

“I have no idea what he’s talking about so it’s hard for me to comment,” Comey said.

“When I hear that kind of language used, it’s concerning because the FBI and the Department of Justice conduct court-ordered electronic surveillance,” he continued. “I have never thought of that as spying.”

He added: “If the attorney general has come to the belief that that should be called spying, wow.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on April 12, 2019, 07:18:10 AM
Comey scoffs at Barr testimony, claims ‘surveillance’ is not ‘spying’
Fox News ^ | 12 April 2019 | Brooke Singman
Posted on 04/12/2019 6:44:24 AM PDT by Magnatron

Former FBI Director James Comey joined the chorus of Democratic critics complaining about Attorney General Bill Barr’s testimony this week that “spying did occur” against the 2016 Trump campaign, claiming he has no idea what the Justice Department leader is talking about -- and saying he “never thought of” electronic surveillance as “spying.”

Comey sought to draw a distinction between surveillance -- which was authorized against a Trump adviser -- and spying during a cybersecurity conference in California on Thursday, echoing Democratic lawmakers who have accused Barr of going too far in his Senate testimony this week.

“I have no idea what he’s talking about so it’s hard for me to comment,” Comey said.

“When I hear that kind of language used, it’s concerning because the FBI and the Department of Justice conduct court-ordered electronic surveillance,” he continued. “I have never thought of that as spying.”

He added: “If the attorney general has come to the belief that that should be called spying, wow.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

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The Dolt Comey - Libatards wanted this incompetent fired.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 17, 2019, 07:16:07 PM
I am waiting with baited breath for the impeachment report to finally blow the lid off of this Manchurian Candidate conspiracy theory.  Tomorrow is the day.  Aren't you excited? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 18, 2019, 12:05:18 AM
I am waiting with baited breath for the impeachment report to finally blow the lid off of this Manchurian Candidate conspiracy theory.  Tomorrow is the day.  Aren't you excited? 

No, not really. It is most likely the report will be so heavily redacted that it ends up being about four pages of readable information. ::) My guess is this crap will go all the way to the Supreme Court, who will finally decide whether the public actually gets to see what they paid for, which so far is in the neighborhood of $25 million and growing.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 18, 2019, 11:42:15 AM
No, not really. It is most likely the report will be so heavily redacted that it ends up being about four pages of readable information. ::) My guess is this crap will go all the way to the Supreme Court, who will finally decide whether the public actually gets to see what they paid for, which so far is in the neighborhood of $25 million and growing.

Are you mad at Mueller for knowingly inserting secret grand jury information on nearly every page of the report, knowing full well that information cannot be released to the public? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on April 18, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
I am waiting with baited breath for the impeachment report to finally blow the lid off of this Manchurian Candidate conspiracy theory.  Tomorrow is the day.  Aren't you excited? 

LOL   :D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 18, 2019, 12:11:05 PM
Drum roll please . . . .

And here it is.  The moment we've all been waiting for.  The document that proves, hands down, that candidate Donald Trump was a Manchurian Candidate who conspired with the Russian government to win the 2016 election. 

Read it and weep President Trump.  Impeachment and removal are imminent. 

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/04/Muellereport.pdf
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 18, 2019, 11:12:08 PM
Are you mad at Mueller for knowingly inserting secret grand jury information on nearly every page of the report, knowing full well that information cannot be released to the public? 

Who me? Mad? Never! What I find interesting about your comments that they suggests you know more about the content of the report than pretty much anyone else on the planet does. Sorry, I don't buy it. ;)

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 19, 2019, 12:21:03 AM
Who me? Mad? Never! What I find interesting about your comments that they suggests you know more about the content of the report than pretty much anyone else on the planet does. Sorry, I don't buy it. ;)



What you should find from my comments is I know this is the stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories.

Plus I read and listen a lot and follow the facts.  So there's that. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on April 19, 2019, 12:39:44 AM
Interesting perspective from Glenn Greenwald. The whole article is worth reading.

Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them

The two-pronged conspiracy theory that has dominated U.S. political discourse for almost three years – that (1) Trump, his family and his campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election, and (2) Trump is beholden to Russian President Vladimir Putin — was not merely rejected today by the final report of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. It was obliterated: in an undeniable and definitive manner.

The key fact is this: Mueller – contrary to weeks of false media claims – did not merely issue a narrow, cramped, legalistic finding that there was insufficient evidence to indict Trump associates for conspiring with Russia and then proving their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That would have been devastating enough to those who spent the last two years or more misleading people to believe that conspiracy convictions of Trump’s closest aides and family members were inevitable. But his mandate was much broader than that: to state what did or did not happen.

That’s precisely what he did: Mueller, in addition to concluding that evidence was insufficient to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference, also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence – not merely that there was insufficient evidence to obtain a criminal conviction – that key prongs of this three-year-old conspiracy theory actually happened. As Mueller himself put it: “in some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event.”

[...]

None of this is to say that the Mueller Report exonerates Trump of wrongdoing. Mueller makes clear, for instance, that the Trump campaign not only knew that Russia was interested in helping it win the election but was happy to have that help. There’s clearly nothing criminal about that. One can debate whether it’s unethical for a presidential campaign to have dirt about its opponent released by a foreign government, though anyone who wants to argue that has to reconcile that with the fact that the DNC had a contractor working with the Ukrainian government to help Hillary Clinton win by feeding them dirt on Trump and Manafort, as well as a paid operative named Christopher Steele (remember him?) working with Russian officials to get dirt on Trump.

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: loco on April 19, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 08:55:36 AM


None of this is to say that the Mueller Report exonerates Trump of wrongdoing. Mueller makes clear, for instance, that the Trump campaign not only knew that Russia was interested in helping it win the election but was happy to have that help. There’s clearly nothing criminal about that. One can debate whether it’s unethical for a presidential campaign to have dirt about its opponent released by a foreign government, though anyone who wants to argue that has to reconcile that with the fact that the DNC had a contractor working with the Ukrainian government to help Hillary Clinton win by feeding them dirt on Trump and Manafort, as well as a paid operative named Christopher Steele (remember him?) working with Russian officials to get dirt on Trump.

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
This. The left simply blows off those facts because they lost, so those facts don't matter.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 20, 2019, 11:33:06 PM
What you should find from my comments is I know this is the stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories.

Plus I read and listen a lot and follow the facts.  So there's that. 

Despite what you think you know, that knowledge is really only your opinion. What is or isn't fact is debatable.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 21, 2019, 04:23:56 AM
Despite what you think you know, that knowledge is really only your opinion. What is or isn't fact is debatable.
We don't judge someone guilty or not guilty based on what could be possible.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: The Scott on April 21, 2019, 04:47:16 AM
We don't judge someone guilty or not guilty based on what could be possible.

Yup.

The truth does not care about their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewin gs.   ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2019, 12:13:02 AM
We don't judge someone guilty or not guilty based on what could be possible.

That's good. Neither do I. It does seem though that some folks are jumping the gun here.The portions of the Mueller report thus far released make clear the fact that the findings are inconclusive. Whether or not you approve, this leaves the door open to future evidential findings.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 22, 2019, 04:28:21 AM
That's good. Neither do I. It does seem though that some folks are jumping the gun here.The portions of the Mueller report thus far released make clear the fact that the findings are inconclusive. Whether or not you approve, this leaves the door open to future evidential findings.
The Mueller report found no collusion and no obstruction.  Do you really think there is proof of collusion in the findings?  If there were they would have said there it was there weeks ago.  They spent millions with hundreds of interviews and found nothing.  Only libtards still believe it is in there.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 07:41:31 AM
The Mueller report found no collusion and no obstruction.
If it EXPLICITLY said that, congress and everybody fucking else would walk away with their tales between their legs.
Mueller didn't say that because he didn't fucking mean that.
...and you know it.
This is just a matter of time.
Just remember this name---Don McGahn
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 08:58:05 AM
Despite what you think you know, that knowledge is really only your opinion. What is or isn't fact is debatable.

I know you suffer from TDS, but you cannot change the facts. 

Fact:  the House investigated this stupid conspiracy theory and said it was unfounded.
Fact:  the FBI investigated and found no conspiracy.
Fact:  Bob Woodward searched high and low and couldn't find any evidence of this conspiracy.
Fact:  the Senate investigated and found no conspiracy.
Fact:  Mueller and his team of angry Democrat donors investigated and found no evidence of this conspiracy. 

Call those "opinions" if you like, but you're just deluding yourself.  Don't be like those dummies Schiff and Swalwell. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 09:10:31 AM
10 factors making Russia election interference the most enduring scandal of the Obama era
BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/22/19
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/439808-10-factors-making-russia-election-interference-the-most-enduring-scandal#.XL3asaWDxf0.twitter
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
I know you suffer from TDS, but you cannot change the facts. 

Fact:  the House investigated this stupid conspiracy theory and said it was unfounded.
Fact:  the FBI investigated and found no conspiracy.
Fact:  Bob Woodward searched high and low and couldn't find any evidence of this conspiracy.
Fact:  the Senate investigated and found no conspiracy.
Fact:  Mueller and his team of angry Democrat donors investigated and found no evidence of this conspiracy. 

Call those "opinions" if you like, but you're just deluding yourself.  Don't be like those dummies Schiff and Swalwell. 

tHEY ARE SO DESPERATE FOR ANYTHING. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
tHEY ARE SO DESPERATE FOR ANYTHING. 

Truth.  They cannot talk about issues because the economy is doing so well.  And in the end it's always about the economy for most voters. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
Nolte: Top 51 Fake News ‘Bombshells’ the Media Spread About RussiaGate
JOHN NOLTE 22 Apr 2019
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/04/22/top-51-fake-news-bombshells-media-spread-russiagate/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
If it EXPLICITLY said that, congress and everybody fucking else would walk away with their tales between their legs.
Mueller didn't say that because he didn't fucking mean that.
...and you know it.
This is just a matter of time.
Just remember this name---Don McGahn
Now Mueller is a liar? I thought he was going to be your Lord and savior?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2019, 01:58:52 PM
Mueller is suffering from TDS. 

WHITE HOUSE SLAMMED MUELLER REPORT IN LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR
05/02/2019 | POLITICS
Amber Athey | White House Correspondent

The White House slammed special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in a newly-released letter to Attorney General Bill Barr.

The letter, which is dated April 19, one day after the special counsel’s redacted report was released publicly, expresses deep concerns about Mueller’s failure to reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice and his assertion that the report does not exonerate President Donald Trump.

The Mueller report claimed, “The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

As Emmet Flood, the president’s special counsel, explains, Mueller is not in a position to “conclusively [determine] that no criminal conduct occurred” because he is operating as a prosecutor.

“Making conclusive determinations of innocence is never the task of the federal prosecutor,” Flood wrote to Barr. “What prosecutors are supposed to do is complete an investigation and then either ask the grand jury to return an indictment or decline to charge the case.”

Flood continued, “In the American justice system, innocence is presumed; there is never any need for prosecutors to ‘conclusively determine’ it. Nor is there any place for such a determination.”

Flood went on to slam Mueller for declining to reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice, arguing that failing to do so violates the investigation’s obligation to make a prosecutorial decision.

“The one thing the SCO (Special Counsel’s Office) was obligated to do is the very thing the SCO — intentionally and unapologetically — refused to do. The SCO made neither a prosecution decision nor a declination decision on the obstruction question,” he said.

Barr told Congress on Wednesday that he was surprised by the special counsel’s decision to leave the obstruction question up to the attorney general.

The letter also expressed concerns about criminal leaks related to the investigation. Barr revealed in his testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee that the DOH has “multiple” criminal investigations underway regarding leaks.

On Tuesday, reports indicated that Mueller also complained to Barr about perceptions surrounding his report on the collusion investigation. Mueller claimed Barr’s letter on the principal conclusions of the report “did not fully capture the context, nature and substance” of his investigation, although Mueller declined to say anything within Barr’s letter was inaccurate.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/02/white-house-slammed-mueller-report-in-letter-to-attorney-general-barr/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Prudence on May 02, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
..although Mueller declined to say anything within Barr’s letter was inaccurate.
Nor did he say it was accurate!
Dos--lemmie drop it on you like a sack of dark black coal given to bad kids on Christmas..it's gonna suck--it's gonna hurt---but it's what you need babe...sucks it has to me ME to deliver it---but I know what's best for you.

Mueller stated conclusively that he could not disprove that Trump committed obstruction. It's that simple. And that is a big part of why dems are now moving toward impeachment.

Nice attempt to put a spin on it. That letter fell of deaf ears by the way....waste of time writing it. OF COURSE the lawyers complained. That's what Trump does.
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on May 02, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
Nor did he say it was accurate!
Dos--lemmie drop it on you like a sack of dark black coal given to bad kids on Christmas..it's gonna suck--it's gonna hurt---but it's what you need babe...sucks it has to me ME to deliver it---but I know what's best for you.

Mueller stated conclusively that he could not disprove that Trump committed obstruction. It's that simple. And that is a big part of why dems are now moving toward impeachment.

Nice attempt to put a spin on it. That letter fell of deaf ears by the way....waste of time writing it. OF COURSE the lawyers complained. That's what Trump does.
You're a MOD---I don't need to tell YOU where my sign up sheet is do I?? Naaaa--u know..u know.

Love ya!
xoxo
You're a gimmick, I can't disprove it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Prudence on May 02, 2019, 03:31:21 PM
Sure you can--come to Vegas and meet me babe!
Me and my boyfriend.
He's really good looking too--hands off!!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2019, 03:53:09 PM
Nor did he say it was accurate!
Dos--lemmie drop it on you like a sack of dark black coal given to bad kids on Christmas..it's gonna suck--it's gonna hurt---but it's what you need babe...sucks it has to me ME to deliver it---but I know what's best for you.

Mueller stated conclusively that he could not disprove that Trump committed obstruction. It's that simple. And that is a big part of why dems are now moving toward impeachment.

Nice attempt to put a spin on it. That letter fell of deaf ears by the way....waste of time writing it. OF COURSE the lawyers complained. That's what Trump does.
You're a MOD---I don't need to tell YOU where my sign up sheet is do I?? Naaaa--u know..u know.

Love ya!
xoxo

Bruh your big wind up never delivers.  Give it up already. 

We know that Mueller conclusively did not say Trump obstructed justice.  What exactly did Barr's letter say about obstruction was false? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2019, 09:58:02 PM
Thank you.  Completely agree. 

Trump tells Dems 'it's over,' says McGahn won't testify, hits Biden's 'very dumb statement' in Fox News interview
By Catherine Herridge, Gregg Re, Bill Mears | Fox News

President Trump told Fox News in an exclusive wide-ranging interview Thursday evening that the White House has lost patience with congressional Democrats, and forcefully dismissed their efforts to subpoena former White House counsel Don McGahn and other administration officials to testify.

. . . .

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-democrats-subpoena-biden-very-dumb-statement
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 03, 2019, 03:37:04 AM
Sure you can--come to Vegas and meet me babe!
Me and my boyfriend.
He's really good looking too--hands off!!
 ;D ;D ;D

Are Tim Fogerty and Bay invited?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 08, 2019, 11:35:48 AM
Top Dem claims Mueller report shows Russia ‘artificially’ placed Trump in White House
By Adam Shaw | Fox News

New York Congressman Hakeem Jeffries, Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, defends effort to procure special counsel Robert Mueller's unredacted report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

A top Democratic lawmaker claimed Wednesday that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report shows Moscow “artificially” placed President Trump in the White House -- despite the report finding no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.

The statement came amid a fiery session of the House Judiciary Committee where lawmakers weighed holding Attorney General Bill Barr in contempt for defying a subpoena for the full Mueller report.

“Seventeen different intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia interfered with our election, attacked our democracy for the sole purpose of artificially placing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,” Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., the House Democratic Caucus chairman, said. “They were successful, and that’s also what the Mueller report shows.”

. . . .

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-dem-claims-mueller-report-shows-russia-artificially-placed-trump-in-white-house
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2019, 10:31:47 AM
And this is why they are attacking Barr so viciously.  People like Comey and Brennan are going to be exposed.

Barr Appoints Prosecutor To Investigate Start Of Russia Probe: Reports
Trump had been demanding a new probe to investigate the people who investigated him.
By Nick Visser
05/14/2019

Attorney General William Barr has ordered a federal prosecutor to investigate the inception of the Russia probe, according to multiple media accounts.

John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, has been appointed to oversee the inquiry, The New York Times first reported. The effort will focus heavily on intelligence collection methods used by investigators during the early days of special counsel Robert Mueller’s efforts, per The Associated Press.

The appointment has long been demanded by President Donald Trump, who has continued to attack the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt,” even after Mueller’s report was delivered to the Justice Department last month. While the report found no evidence of criminal collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, the special counsel highlighted 10 instances of potential obstruction of justice by the president.

Trump has falsely championed himself as exonerated and has pushed far more aggressively for the new investigation since the Mueller report was completed.

Barr used his congressional testimony last month to tell lawmakers he believed “spying did occur” during the 2016 election cycle against then-candidate Donald Trump, effectively undercutting his own department.

“I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Barr, who was confirmed to lead the DOJ in February, said during testimony to the Senate Appropriations Committee. “I think spying did occur. But the question is whether it was ... adequately predicated. I’m not suggesting it wasn’t predicated. I need to explore that.”

There is no public evidence that there was any spying on the Trump campaign, but the president has raised the specter of such things many times in an effort to attack both the FBI and the broader Justice Department.

FBI Director Christopher Wray defended his agency last week, saying the work done by bureau agents was not “spying.”

The FBI did obtain a secret surveillance warrant to monitor Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser, after he left the campaign.

The Times notes that Durham, the top law enforcement official in Connecticut, was nominated by Trump in 2017 and has worked at the DOJ since 1982. He has a history of investigating claims of wrongdoing by national security officials, including those who worked for the FBI and the CIA.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-barr-prosecutor-russia-probe_n_5cda5eb6e4b0615b08181d41
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on May 14, 2019, 06:45:01 PM
This is getting good.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 14, 2019, 06:53:23 PM
And this is why they are attacking Barr so viciously.  People like Comey and Brennan are going to be exposed.

Barr Appoints Prosecutor To Investigate Start Of Russia Probe: Reports
Trump had been demanding a new probe to investigate the people who investigated him.
By Nick Visser
05/14/2019

Attorney General William Barr has ordered a federal prosecutor to investigate the inception of the Russia probe, according to multiple media accounts.

John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, has been appointed to oversee the inquiry, The New York Times first reported. The effort will focus heavily on intelligence collection methods used by investigators during the early days of special counsel Robert Mueller’s efforts, per The Associated Press.

The appointment has long been demanded by President Donald Trump, who has continued to attack the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt,” even after Mueller’s report was delivered to the Justice Department last month. While the report found no evidence of criminal collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, the special counsel highlighted 10 instances of potential obstruction of justice by the president.

Trump has falsely championed himself as exonerated and has pushed far more aggressively for the new investigation since the Mueller report was completed.

Barr used his congressional testimony last month to tell lawmakers he believed “spying did occur” during the 2016 election cycle against then-candidate Donald Trump, effectively undercutting his own department.

“I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Barr, who was confirmed to lead the DOJ in February, said during testimony to the Senate Appropriations Committee. “I think spying did occur. But the question is whether it was ... adequately predicated. I’m not suggesting it wasn’t predicated. I need to explore that.”

There is no public evidence that there was any spying on the Trump campaign, but the president has raised the specter of such things many times in an effort to attack both the FBI and the broader Justice Department.

FBI Director Christopher Wray defended his agency last week, saying the work done by bureau agents was not “spying.”

The FBI did obtain a secret surveillance warrant to monitor Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser, after he left the campaign.

The Times notes that Durham, the top law enforcement official in Connecticut, was nominated by Trump in 2017 and has worked at the DOJ since 1982. He has a history of investigating claims of wrongdoing by national security officials, including those who worked for the FBI and the CIA.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-barr-prosecutor-russia-probe_n_5cda5eb6e4b0615b08181d41

Hopefully Durham will also investigate any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation and prosecute any federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2019, 10:54:40 AM
Hopefully Durham will also investigate any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation and prosecute any federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

I hope so too, but I'm not holding my breath for any criminal convictions coming out of all of this. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 15, 2019, 11:02:07 AM
I hope so too, but I'm not holding my breath for any criminal convictions coming out of all of this. 

Unfortunately laws don't seem to apply to people beyond a certain pay grade. Likewise for all the theater congressional "committees" that "investigate" and yet do nothing.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2019, 11:05:17 AM
Unfortunately laws don't seem to apply to people beyond a certain pay grade. Likewise for all the theater congressional "committees" that "investigate" and yet do nothing.

Sad but true. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2019, 12:41:43 PM
Dispute erupts over whether Brennan, Comey pushed Steele dossier, as DOJ probe into misconduct begins
By Gregg Re, Catherine Herridge | Fox News

Sources tell Fox that Durham is focused on the months leading up to the election; chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reports.

A high-level dispute over which senior government officials pushed the unverified Steele dossier amid efforts to surveil the Trump campaign has broken out into the open again, after it emerged that Attorney General William Barr appointed a U.S. attorney to examine the origins of the Russia investigation and determine if the FBI and DOJ's actions were "lawful and appropriate."

Sources familiar with the records told Fox News that a late-2016 email chain indicated then-FBI Director James Comey told bureau subordinates that then-CIA Director John Brennan insisted the dossier be included in the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference, known as the ICA.

Fox News was told that the email chain – not yet public -- referred to the dossier as "crown material," but it was not clear why this apparent code was used. On Tuesday night, former GOP Rep. Trey Gowdy said on Fox News' "The Story with Martha MacCallum" that "Comey has a better argument than Brennan, based on what I've seen."

Trey Gowdy on where US attorney Durham should start his investigation into the Russia probeVideo
A day earlier, Gowdy told Fox News, "Whoever is looking into this, tell them to look into emails" from December 2016 involving Brennan and Comey. Gowdy, who is now a Fox News contributor, said his assessment was based on sensitive Russia records he reviewed as then-chairman of the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

But in a statement to Fox News, a former CIA official put the blame squarely on Comey.

"Former Director Brennan, along with former [Director of National Intelligence] James Clapper, are the ones who opposed James Comey’s recommendation that the Steele Dossier be included in the intelligence report," the official said.

"They opposed this because the dossier was in no way used to develop the ICA," the official continued. "The intelligence analysts didn't include it when they were doing their work because it wasn't corroborated intelligence, therefore it wasn't used and it wasn't included. Brennan and Clapper prevented it from being added into the official assessment. James Comey then decided on his own to brief Trump about the document."

Fox News has reached out to Comey's legal team twice, and provided the statement from the former CIA official, but did not receive a reply on the record.

In March, Republican Sen. Rand Paul leveled similar allegations on Twitter, citing a "high-level source" who said Brennan had "insisted that the unverified and fake Steele dossier" be included in the January 2017 ICA.

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FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE: INTERNAL FBI TEXTS SHOW DOJ WARNED FBI OF 'BIAS' IN KEY FISA SOURCE -- BUT FBI PRESSED ON

Clapper previously testified that the dossier was not ultimately used in the ICA. News that Comey had briefed Trump personally on the dossier before the inauguration -- purportedly to warn him of potential blackmail threats -- leaked within days and opened the door for media outlets to publicize the dossier's lurid claims.

Whether the FBI acted appropriately in obtaining the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to Trump campaign aide Carter Page is now the subject not only of U.S. Attorney John Durham's new probe, but also the ongoing review by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz. U.S. Attorney for Utah John Huber has been conducting his own investigation separately, although details of his progress were unclear.

As one example, in its FISA application, the bureau repeatedly and incorrectly assured the court in a footnote that it "does not believe" British ex-spy Christopher Steele was the direct source for a Yahoo News article implicating Page in Russian collusion, and instead asserted that the Yahoo article provided an independent basis to believe Steele.

Steele has told a British court that he briefed multiple news organizations during the fall of 2016 -- including Yahoo News.

Gowdy's remarks echoed Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures" this past weekend that he was pushing to declassify documents that would expose the FBI's poor efforts to corroborate the dossier.

"There's a document that's classified that I'm gonna try to get unclassified that takes the dossier -- all the pages of it -- and it has verification to one side," Graham said. "There really is no verification, other than media reports that were generated by reporters that received the dossier."

Graham cited a report from The Hill's John Solomon that the FBI was told expressly that Steele, the bureau's confidential informant, had admitted to a State Department contact he was "keen" to leak his discredited dossier for purposes of influencing the 2016 election.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec’s written account of her meeting with Steele on Oct. 11, 2016, was sent to the FBI prior to the bureau's FISA warrant application to monitor Page, according to records unearthed in a transparency lawsuit by Citizens United.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dispute-erupts-over-whether-brennan-comey-pushed-steele-dossier-as-doj-probe-into-misconduct-begins?fbclid=IwAR0dISFEdVvohkL4TZDkdZpmsw3qzcZgrGGbQ3W5iTHwlMfmwcyWbS2jWfY
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 15, 2019, 04:13:10 PM
The rats are jumping ship.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 20, 2019, 12:17:40 PM
Sunday Sadness: WashPost Empathizes with Leftists Who Made Mueller Prayer Candles
By Tim Graham | May 20, 2019
(https://www.newsbusters.org/s3/files/styles/blog_body-50/s3/images/muellercandle.jpg?itok=zzrp2_h_)
Sunday's Washington Post Magazine carried an article on how leftist Robert Mueller superfans -- oops, we won't explicitly label them ideologically -- the "Mueller faithful" are handling the hard fact that their hero failed to allege Trump colluded with the Russian government, and failed to render a verdict on obstruction of justice. This is not how they wanted this story to turn out! 

Writer Samuel Ashworth sensitively chronicled their "merchandising of anxiety," with Mueller prayer candles and tank tops. Take Clare Winter:

Winter is an atheist but was raised Catholic, and that fall, she says, "all I could think was, 'I wish I could pray to someone.' "

Then one day she saw an image of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, with his lantern jaw and no-nonsense gray hair. “I just thought, you know, someone needs to put a halo around that guy,” she says. So she did. She worked with an artist friend to design a votive-style prayer candle depicting Mueller as a Catholic saint, with a shimmering silver halo and a suit and tie.

She has sold 9,000 of hers, at $16 a pop. Ashworth and the Post loved the atheist take on the Catholic tradition: "Images of saints invariably portray them as calm and beatific. Consider the depictions of Saint Sebastian looking fondly skyward as his body is riddled with arrows. And in this sense, the seemingly imperturbable Mueller made for an ideal religious icon." 

No one was brought in to say atheists look silly making devotional candles.

Naturally, the conspiracy theorists aren't letting go of their conspiracy. They've decided, like the press, that Bill Barr is a villain and Mueller is still a hero, not a failure:

How do they feel about what has transpired? And now that their hero’s work is done, is it time to snuff the candles and put them away?

Not quite. “We’re still keeping them on the shelves, and we’re still keeping them lit,” says Bridgid Blackburn, owner of Cargo Inc., a shop in Portland, Ore., that has sold more than 4,500 of Winter’s votives after a Facebook post advertising them went viral. There was a slowdown right after the Barr letter, she says, but sales later picked up....

For some, that faith hasn’t diminished now that the investigation is over. A.G. [of the "Mueller She Wrote" podcast] sees the report as vindication: “Sometimes, you question your own sanity. You ask, ‘Is my confirmation bias so strong that I’m making it all up in my own head?’ And then … you realize you were right all along, and it’s still sad.”

Insert the sad tuba for The Price Is Right losers. It's time for new heroes, Ashworth concluded, like a certain Latina socialist:

Still, even Mueller’s most ardent fans must now contemplate a future without him. One possibility is for his devotees to focus on their own power as organizers and activists — or as A.G. puts it, “We’re the Muellers we’re looking for.”

For her part, Winter is taking a break from making Mueller candles — she’s exhausted — but she has a vision for other candles. “The idea of having a product where people can light a match and imagine a way of making our country better,” she says, “that’s a product I’d like to sell.”

Blackburn, the Portland shop owner, already has a replacement in mind for the Mueller candles once they run out. She recently started stocking Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez prayer candles. She says the first batch sold out “immediately.”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2019/05/20/sunday-sadness-washpost-empathizes-leftists-who-made-mueller-prayer
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Prudence on May 20, 2019, 12:49:13 PM
I LOVE it!
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 20, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
It can't be just a CT because the FBI is deeply investigating this.....I'm not saying Trump knew anything but he had a strange group of people that no one had ever heard of SUDDENLY involved in his campaign ALL OF WHOM had either taken money from the Russians or had contacts with Russian operatives.....Flynn.... ..Manafort........Carter Page.......ALL OF WHOM LIED about their contacts with the Russians......

The author of this thread has seriously got his head in the sand............

This did not age well. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 20, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
This will be settled by those with more legal expertise then us  ;D.

Here's my 2 cents since we are the ones debating on the forum:

1. I think Comey is very credible , honest and careful to operate within the law

2. There may never be actual hard proof that Trump (himself ) colluded with Russia on the election.
I do think Trump's careless ways will bite him in the ass eventually.

Holy smokes . . . .
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on May 20, 2019, 08:09:10 PM
Holy smokes . . . .
And he is a teacher :o
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: The Scott on May 20, 2019, 08:16:19 PM
I LOVE it!
(https://i.etsystatic.com/19821540/r/il/4177a5/1893107315/il_794xN.1893107315_eho8.jpg)

Such as you have no concept of what the word "love" truly means.  Foul craven.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: JustPlaneJane on May 20, 2019, 08:22:51 PM
Hmmmm.

And now Loretta Lynch and Little Jimmy Comey are at each other’s throats, calling each other liars.

Does everybody remember when Comey was the Democrat great hope to take down President Donald Trump?

How’s that working out for ya?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Yamcha on May 22, 2019, 04:04:33 AM
I LOVE it!
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wow, memes really do become reality
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
Trump vows to uncover Russia probe roots with declassification call: ‘We’re exposing everything’
By Brooke Singman | Fox News

President Trump tells reporters outside the White House that everything Attorney General Barr needs to investigate the Russia 'hoax' has been made available to him.

President Trump vowed Friday to uncover the origins of the Russia investigation for all to see after he approved the declassification of documents related to the surveillance of his campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

Before departing the White House for a trip to Japan, the president defended his decision in the face of Democratic accusations that he had overridden "longstanding rules" on classified material.

“We want to be very transparent, so as you know, I declassified everything,” Trump told reporters. “We are exposing everything.”

. . . .

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-to-uncover-russia-probe-roots-with-declassification-call-were-exposing-everything
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
He's not going to answer questions?  Not surprised one bit.  If he gets put under oath and is asked when he knew this Russia conspiracy theory was a hoax, it would not end well for him.  He's nothing more than a useful idiot at this point. 

Dems ramp up calls for Trump impeachment after Mueller speaks out on Russia probe
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-rally-behind-mueller-statement-poised-to-impeach
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on May 29, 2019, 04:17:49 PM
So we have misconduct, leaking sensitive information and violating federal law; however, "the prosecution of the Deputy Assistant Director was declined".

DOJ watchdog: Former FBI official illegally leaked court docs, disclosed 'sensitive' information and took gift from media

The Justice Department's internal watchdog announced in an investigative summary released Wednesday that an unnamed former FBI deputy assistant director engaged in "misconduct," including leaking "sensitive" information to the media, violating federal law by disclosing sealed court records and taking a gift from someone in the media.

Nevertheless, the inspector general (IG) indicated, without explanation, that "prosecution of the DAD [deputy assistant director] was declined." The investigation's findings will be referred to the FBI for potential further action, the IG said.

The official became the second high-level FBI employee to be formally rebuked by the IG over media contacts seen as improper. Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe was fired from the bureau in March 2018 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions after an inspector general report revealed that he "lacked candor" when discussing his communications about federal probes with members of the media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-watchdog-finds-fmr-fbi-deputy-assistant-director-leaked-sensitive-information-took-gift-from-media-but-declines-prosecution
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
So we have misconduct, leaking sensitive information and violating federal law; however, "the prosecution of the Deputy Assistant Director was declined".

DOJ watchdog: Former FBI official illegally leaked court docs, disclosed 'sensitive' information and took gift from media

The Justice Department's internal watchdog announced in an investigative summary released Wednesday that an unnamed former FBI deputy assistant director engaged in "misconduct," including leaking "sensitive" information to the media, violating federal law by disclosing sealed court records and taking a gift from someone in the media.

Nevertheless, the inspector general (IG) indicated, without explanation, that "prosecution of the DAD [deputy assistant director] was declined." The investigation's findings will be referred to the FBI for potential further action, the IG said.

The official became the second high-level FBI employee to be formally rebuked by the IG over media contacts seen as improper. Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe was fired from the bureau in March 2018 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions after an inspector general report revealed that he "lacked candor" when discussing his communications about federal probes with members of the media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-watchdog-finds-fmr-fbi-deputy-assistant-director-leaked-sensitive-information-took-gift-from-media-but-declines-prosecution

Not surprised at all. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2019, 04:50:09 PM
Alan Dershowitz to Newsmax TV: Mueller Crossed Line in Wednesday Remarks
By Jason Devaney    |   Wednesday, 29 May 2019

Robert Mueller was out of line to imply that President Donald Trump might have obstructed justice during the two-year Russia investigation, attorney Alan Dershowitz told Newsmax TV.

Minutes after Mueller addressed the media and the American public Wednesday morning to wrap up his Russia probe, Dershowitz joined Newsmax TV host John Bachman for his immediate thoughts.

"I think it was improper for Mueller to say that if there had been evidence that the president hadn't committed a crime, we would have said so. That sounds to me very much like what [former FBI director James] Comey said about Hillary Clinton and was so criticized," Dershowitz said.

"I don't think that was in his place to say that. He could just as easily have said, if there were evidence that [Trump] had committed a crime, we would have said so. But the implication was that maybe he committed a crime, but there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove it.

"I think he went beyond the authority of a prosecutor and committed the same error that we all condemned Comey for committing in relation to Hillary Clinton."

Dershowitz argued that Mueller, who announced in his Wednesday morning remarks that he is resigning as special counsel and returning to private life because his investigation into Russian election interference is over, gave a "different twist" on his report than Attorney General William Barr.

"The twist came from that one statement, saying if there were compelling evidence that he hadn't committed a crime, we would have said so. That was putting a spin on it," he said.

Dershowitz added that he wants independent special counsels to become a thing of the past moving forward.

"I would like to see structural changes made in the Justice Department, where we have a full-time, independent unit within the Justice Department that can routinely investigate these kinds of allegations," he said. "I think the role of the special counsel or special prosecutor has proved to be historically a failure."

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/alan-dershowitz-robert-mueller-russia/2019/05/29/id/918107/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on May 29, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
He's not going to answer questions?  Not surprised one bit.  If he gets put under oath and is asked when he knew this Russia conspiracy theory was a hoax, it would not end well for him.  He's nothing more than a useful idiot at this point. 

Dems ramp up calls for Trump impeachment after Mueller speaks out on Russia probe
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-rally-behind-mueller-statement-poised-to-impeach

I think he means that everything he has to say about this matter is in his final report. Therefore, it's up to Congress to make the next move. -Smart move on his part.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2019, 11:26:37 AM
I think he means that everything he has to say about this matter is in his final report. Therefore, it's up to Congress to make the next move. -Smart move on his part.

BS.  He obviously struck a deal with Nadler et al. that if he makes a public statement that Nadler would stop talking about forcing Mueller to testify.  Note how Nadler immediately read a written statement right after Mueller finished speaking.  How the heck did he know what Mueller was going to say?? 

And when a reporter asked Nadler if he was still going to subpoena Mueller, Nadler didn't answer the question. 

There is no way Mueller is going to testify and get asked tough questions about this sham of an investigation and report.  Especially after he just gave Democrats something to keep talking about.   

Mueller also sounded pretty feeble.  I was surprised. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
Mueller Backtracks On Presser, Tries To Clarify Matters In Joint Statement With Bill Barr
Posted at 8:05 am on May 30, 2019 by Bonchie
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/05/30/mueller-backtracks-presser-tries-clarify-matters-joint-statement-bill-barr/

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Robert Mueller's 'no questions' routine is absolute nonsense
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/30/19
 
The very first and purportedly only press conference by special counsel Robert Mueller had the feeling of a Mount Sinai moment for Washington this week. Indeed, his message seemed to be the same as that of Moses, which is have faith and do not question. Mueller spoke some 1,200 words before virtually admonishing the press corps that “I hope and expect this to be the only time that I will speak to you in this manner.” After refusing to answer questions, he went back to the place from whence he came.

Last week, I wrote that it has become sacrilegious to question the motives or performance of Mueller. His press conference was the greatest test of such blind faith. Mueller announced that “the report is my testimony” and that he would not answer questions from Congress either, beyond what is already in his final report. From anyone else, such a statement would be denounced as arrogant, evasive, or both. However, many members of Congress and the media accepted it as the gospel according to Mueller.

The problem is that Mueller was uttering absolute nonsense about his inability to reach a conclusion. He likewise did not offer a principled basis for refusing to answer any questions. This includes obvious questions such as why he refused to comply with the request from his superiors to identify grand jury material, which delayed the release of his report. The disconnect in the coverage of his remarks was striking. Attorney General William Barr testified for hours on his role and has answered dozens of questions. He was promptly dismissed as evasive and even perjurious. Mueller declared he would tolerate no questions and declined to address any of the criticism of his work with very little objection from the media.

The press conference this week should be an embarrassment for the Justice Department. The agency has long maintained that the special counsel could perform the same function as an independent counsel in determining whether high ranking officials committed criminal acts. For two years, Congress and the Justice Department expressly anticipated findings of any criminal conduct. Mueller employed a massive staff and spent tens of millions of dollars. Yet, it now appears that he never intended to make any findings of possible crimes by President Trump.

Mueller insisted that, because there is a Justice Department policy not to indict a sitting president, he interpreted that to bar him from finding the basis for criminal conduct. According to Mueller, you can investigate but not reach basic conclusions on what the investigation found. One could understand why he would not be eager to answer questions about such an absurd interpretation, when his cited sources directly contradict him.

I testified on these flawed memos from the Office of Legal Counsel during the Clinton impeachment. Like many other academics, I view the policy as unsupported by either the Constitution or the convention debates, but that does not matter because the memos have simply nothing to do with a special counsel finding criminal conduct by a president. The memos focus entirely on the indictment and prosecution of a sitting president. They do conclude that being a defendant in a criminal case would thus prevent any president from performing his duties, but they do not challenge the need to investigate a sitting president. History shows presidents routinely accused of criminal conduct, including in impeachment proceedings.

Indeed, President Clinton was investigated and found to have committed crimes by an independent counsel. The Justice Department memos did not find that the investigation or such findings were improper. When the Independent Counsel Act subsequently expired, Congress was assured that the same investigatory function would be performed by any special counsels. The memos only addressed when a president can be indicted and said that prosecution must wait until he leaves office, since he could not function while in the docket of a criminal court or a federal prison.

Mueller has insisted that the policy “says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.” That is not actually what it says. The Justice Department concluded that its view “remains that a sitting president is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution.” It focuses on the prosecution of sitting presidents, not the investigation of sitting presidents. In referencing a process other than the criminal justice system, it refers to the only legal way to remove a president from office.

Nothing in the memos even remotely bars a special counsel from reaching conclusions on the basis of possible criminal charges. Indeed, the memos accept that the Justice Department needs to establish such evidence to preserve a record for possible later charges. That is why Mueller was told by his superiors that there was no policy barring him from finding criminal conduct, only the policy against indicting while the president is in office. Even if you twist the memos to suggest some prohibition to reaching conclusions on criminal conduct, that debate should have ended when his two superiors, the attorney general and deputy attorney general, told him there was no such policy and asked him to reach a conclusion.

His instructions and mandate were crystal clear. His position is even more nonsensical when you look at what he has already done. Mueller declared that “we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.” Yet, Mueller contradicted that statement when he declared that “if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so.”

So which is it? Mueller actually did reach a “determination one way or the other” on crimes related to collusion. In his special counsel report, he found that he could “not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” In effect, Mueller ultimately came across as almost coquettish in his declaration that he would not make a clear finding of a possible crime but could not rule out criminal conduct by the president.

In other words, Mueller can produce hundreds of pages of evidence of possible criminal conduct and repeatedly refer to not exonerating Trump of crimes but somehow cannot reach a conclusion on the weight of the evidence. Of course,Mueller did not address such questions because he would not tolerate questions. The media simply listened obediently as he claimed that he was only being “fair” when he repeated that he could not clear Trump of the crime. That, of course, led the media to declare that Mueller really was searching for criminal conduct with a wink and a nod.

Whatever space Mueller occupied in maintaining such a position, it was neither created nor countenanced by federal law or Justice Department policy. Instead, he accepted the job of special counsel and then radically redefined it, without telling anyone outside of his staff. In that sense, he failed as special counsel. Mueller was not appointed to be a chronicler of allegations. Mueller was appointed to perform a prosecutorial function in the investigation of a president and his associates. Moreover, he does not get to dictate what Congress can investigate, or to stonewall the media.

I agree with Mueller on his hope and expectation that this will be “the only time that I will speak to you in this manner.” Next time, I hope and expect Mueller will finally address the growing questions about his investigation.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/446103-robert-mueller-no-questions-routine-is-absolute-nonsense
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
Self-Preservation Is The Only Reason Democrats Could Object To Declassifying Spygate Docs
It is difficult to comprehend why any member of Congress would object to the president’s decision to disclose the truth behind one of the biggest scandals in U.S. history.
By Elad Hakim
MAY 28, 2019

On Thursday, President Trump gave Attorney General William Barr the authority to declassify any documents related to surveillance of the Trump campaign in 2016. Immediately some congressional Democrats blasted Trump’s decision and began to politicize the move.

It is difficult to comprehend why any member of Congress would object to the president’s decision to disclose the truth behind one of the biggest scandals in U.S. history. To the contrary, all members should welcome this information with open arms and should refrain from politicizing the president’s decision.

Shortly after Trump authorized Barr to declassify the documents, California Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff criticized the move. According to The Daily Caller, Schiff stated, “While Trump stonewalls the public from learning the truth about his obstruction of justice, Trump and Barr conspire to weaponize law enforcement and classified information against their political enemies. The coverup has entered a new and dangerous phase. This is un-American.”

Schiff’s comments are perplexing. On the one hand, Schiff and his fellow members of Congress should welcome this information so as to discover the truth, deliver justice to the real perpetrators, and to slowly bring closure to a country that desperately needs it.

After all, the American public was fed a false Russia-collusion narrative for years. The investigation into this false narrative was very costly and further polarized our country. Moreover, the narrative ruined numerous people’s lives and compromised the credibility of some of the nation’s most sacred and respected institutions, including the FBI and CIA. Therefore, from a “what is best for the country” perspective, all members of Congress (who are elected by, and serve, the people) should welcome this information.

Based on the troubling information that has been disclosed to date, the pending inspector general report, the ongoing U.S. attorney’s investigation, Barr’s investigations, and the utter failure of the Mueller report to establish collusion or obstruction, Schiff and other Democrats are understandably nervous about what the American public will learn once the declassified material is released. Therefore, from a political standpoint, Democrats know that the release of this information could create big problems for Democrats come 2020. This is especially true among moderates and independents, who are not hard core “anti-Trumpers.”

Unfortunately, there is a clear disconnect between Democrats’ political aspirations and what is best for the country. Otherwise, why would any member of Congress object to learning the truth behind what really happened?

For example, who ordered the surveillance on the Trump campaign? Why? What steps were taken to put this surveillance in motion and who was involved? What was the basis for this surveillance and how was it obtained? The answers to these questions are vital to establish closure for the American public and to deliver justice to the people who were involved in any wrongdoing, regardless of their political affiliation.

It is inconceivable that any member of Congress would turn down the opportunity to learn the truth behind one of the largest political scandals in U.S. history. As White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement, “Today’s action will help ensure that all Americans learn the truth about the events that occurred, and the actions that were taken, during the last Presidential election and will restore confidence in our public institutions.”

All members of Congress should welcome this information with open arms, including Schiff. It is an opportunity to get to the bottom of a scandal, the likes of which this country has never seen. If Congress is so concerned with transparency and oversight, the release of this information could provide a treasure trove of new information. The concern among some could lie, not in the act of releasing the documents, per se, but in what the documents will ultimately reveal.

Contrary to Schiff’s characterization, there is nothing “un-American” about exposing a possible, and likely, coup to remove a duly elected president from office. There is nothing “un-American” about exposing one or more people who allegedly and improperly spied on the Trump campaign. To the contrary, it would be irresponsible not to disclose this information.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/28/self-preservation-reason-democrats-object-declassifying-spygate-documents/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 03, 2019, 07:49:22 PM
BS.  He obviously struck a deal with Nadler et al. that if he makes a public statement that Nadler would stop talking about forcing Mueller to testify.  Note how Nadler immediately read a written statement right after Mueller finished speaking.  How the heck did he know what Mueller was going to say?? 

And when a reporter asked Nadler if he was still going to subpoena Mueller, Nadler didn't answer the question. 

There is no way Mueller is going to testify and get asked tough questions about this sham of an investigation and report.  Especially after he just gave Democrats something to keep talking about.   

Mueller also sounded pretty feeble.  I was surprised. 

If Mueller refuses to testify and House Judiciary Committee demands his testimony, Mueller will have to comply. Will he be a hostile witness?

7 hours ago: It's Still Unclear If Robert Mueller Will Testify Before Congress, But Lawmakers Are Moving Ahead Anyway

https://time.com/5600016/robert-mueller-testimony-congress-hearing/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2019, 07:52:05 PM
If Mueller refuses to testify and House Judiciary Committee demands his testimony, Mueller will have to comply. Will he be a hostile witness?

7 hours ago: It's Still Unclear If Robert Mueller Will Testify Before Congress, But Lawmakers Are Moving Ahead Anyway

https://time.com/5600016/robert-mueller-testimony-congress-hearing/

He isn't going to be hostile.  He's too feeble.  But if he does testify it will be a lot of:  it's in the report. 

Honestly, I want to see him lie under oath about precisely when he knew that Russia hoax was actually a hoax.  It was early.  Very early. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on June 03, 2019, 08:10:51 PM
He isn't going to be hostile.  He's too feeble.  But if he does testify it will be a lot of:  it's in the report. 

Honestly, I want to see him lie under oath about precisely when he knew that Russia hoax was actually a hoax.  It was early.  Very early. 

-Emotionally feeble, physically feeble or both? He is 74 years old as am I. I'm definitely slowing down but my mind still works and I get around fine....even at the gym.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on June 03, 2019, 08:54:43 PM
Mueller Backtracks On Presser, Tries To Clarify Matters In Joint Statement With Bill Barr
Posted at 8:05 am on May 30, 2019 by Bonchie
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/05/30/mueller-backtracks-presser-tries-clarify-matters-joint-statement-bill-barr/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7xTMoLXsAAutts.jpg)

You do realize Mueller didn't back track? He has said from day one he would not make a determination of guilt due to the OLC ruling. Which he didn't. He has never said "He was guilty but because of the OLC ruling, I can't say that". You see the difference? There isn't much.

I agree that talking heads made that assertion, but Mueller never did. But he also said if he were confident the president Didn't commit a crime, he would say so. There was no back tracking. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 04, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
You do realize Mueller didn't back track? He has said from day one he would not make a determination of guilt due to the OLC ruling. Which he didn't. He has never said "He was guilty but because of the OLC ruling, I can't say that". You see the difference? There isn't much.

I agree that talking heads made that assertion, but Mueller never did. But he also said if he were confident the president Didn't commit a crime, he would say so. There was no back tracking. 

Yes there was.  He told Barr three times that his decision not to recommend criminal charges was NOT due to the OLC opinion.  Then he made a public statement that led people to believe that's why he took no position.  Clear contradiction. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Agnostic007 on June 04, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Yes there was.  He told Barr three times that his decision not to recommend criminal charges was NOT due to the OLC opinion.  Then he made a public statement that led people to believe that's why he took no position.  Clear contradiction. 

LOL! He told Barr.... when? any audio? Has Mueller said he told barr that? If you read the Mueller report or even parts of it, you will see it plain as day, he was pissed Sessions didn't act like his personal lawyer, didn't protect him, and that's what he wanted in an AG. He then picks Barr... Barr is doing exactly what Trump wants. Mueller has made it clear the OLC ruling had a lot to do with his decision to call a duck a duck. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 04, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
LOL! He told Barr.... when? any audio? Has Mueller said he told barr that? If you read the Mueller report or even parts of it, you will see it plain as day, he was pissed Sessions didn't act like his personal lawyer, didn't protect him, and that's what he wanted in an AG. He then picks Barr... Barr is doing exactly what Trump wants. Mueller has made it clear the OLC ruling had a lot to do with his decision to call a duck a duck. 

He told Barr in the presence of several witnesses.  Mueller has not contradicted that assertion at all.  So cling to your dumb conspiracy theory if you want.   :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Grape Ape on June 04, 2019, 04:19:45 PM
He told Barr in the presence of several witnesses.  Mueller has not contradicted that assertion at all.  So cling to your dumb conspiracy theory if you want.   :)

You are right here.

They have witnessness of Mueller saying the OLC ruling had nothing to do with his decision.

It was only brought up at the press conference to confuse and keep the impeachment thing going.

The democrats really need to concentrate on their candidate.

Their top candidate will get destroyed on his record.

Their runner up is a complete communist loon.

Won't cut it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 04, 2019, 04:29:44 PM
You are right here.

They have witnessness of Mueller saying the OLC ruling had nothing to do with his decision.

It was only brought up at the press conference to confuse and keep the impeachment thing going.

The democrats really need to concentrate on their candidate.

Their top candidate will get destroyed on his record.

Their runner up is a complete communist loon.

Won't cut it.


Completely agree.  I mentioned this in another post, but Biden is not much different than Bob Dole, McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Romney in that they hung around long enough to be gifted the nomination, only to go down in flames in the general election. 

And if Bernie is the alternative, they are really screwed. 

I guess they figure their only hope is to keep trying to divert attention away from their sorry lot of candidates, the economy, foreign policy, etc. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on June 04, 2019, 06:25:00 PM
LOL! He told Barr.... when? any audio? Has Mueller said he told barr that? If you read the Mueller report or even parts of it, you will see it plain as day, he was pissed Sessions didn't act like his personal lawyer, didn't protect him, and that's what he wanted in an AG. He then picks Barr... Barr is doing exactly what Trump wants. Mueller has made it clear the OLC ruling had a lot to do with his decision to call a duck a duck. 
You expect audio of this interaction but you're ok with convicted the President of the United States of America based on heresy? Un-Fucking_believable.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 07, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 07, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
5 Discrepancies Call the Accuracy of Mueller’s Report Into Question
BY JEFF CARLSON
June 5, 2019 Updated: June 7, 2019
https://www.theepochtimes.com/5-discrepancies-call-the-accuracy-of-muellers-report-into-question_2951924.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 25, 2019, 06:35:44 PM
Now THIS time President Trump is in trouble.  Mueller will disclose precisely how the POTUS was a Manchurian Candidate. 

Mueller to Testify on Russia Probe Before Congress
The move will end a months-long saga on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers have fought to get access to information about whether Trump obstructed justice.
Erin Banco
National Security Reporter
Published 06.25.19

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has agreed to testify before Congress on July 17 on his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee announced Tuesday night.

. . . .

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-to-testify-on-russia-probe-before-congress
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on June 27, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
Maybe he will finally "flip" and drop a dime on Trump the Manchurian Candidate? 

Manafort pleads not guilty to New York mortgage fraud charges
Andrew O'Reilly By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-new-york-mortgage-fraud-charges
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Tucker Carlson, Dan Bongino take on new cartoon version of Mueller report: 'Did they include the Strzok-Page texts?'
By David Montanaro | Fox News

Mueller report now available in cartoon form; Dan Bongino shares a midweek News Explosion on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight.'

Tucker Carlson and Dan Bongino discussed Wednesday the new cartoon version of the Mueller report, created by the website Insider in order to encourage people to read Mueller's findings.

The cartoon and accompanying story of the Mueller report was published on Wednesday.

"We hired the author of 'Black Hawk Down' and an illustrator from 'Archer' to adapt the Mueller report so you'll actually read it," the headline stated.

Responding on "Tucker Carlson Tonight," Carlson said "true believers" produced the cartoon because Trump's critics have concluded that most Americans haven't read Mueller's more than 400-page report.

"CNN was very excited about this," Carlson noted, playing a clip of the network showing the illustrations, and asking former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino whether he's read the cartoon version.

"No, because I don't want to lose neurons and about 20 IQ points by reading this kind of imbecility," he joked, asking whether the cartoons depicted Trump allowing then-White House counsel Don McGahn to testify for 30 hours to Mueller's team.

"What if they include the Peter Strzok texts, where he tells his girlfriend I don't think there's any there there? ... Call me, text me, I'd love to know," said Bongino.

"I suspect it's not," Carlson responded.

Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller is scheduled to testify before two House committees on July 17. Bongino said Republicans should ask Mueller when he determined that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The author of "Spygate: The Attempted Sabotage of Donald J. Trump" said he believes it was "no later, at best, than July of 2017."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tucker-carlson-dan-bongino-take-on-new-cartoon-version-of-mueller-report-did-they-include-the-strzok-page-texts
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
That's great  ;D

Unless some epic conclusive evidence against Trump suddenly  comes forward, it's over and the country has moved on .
Every major dem candidate said that.


The Jeff Epstein pedo sex ring is using up all the current media attention.
I doubt Trump was involved in any of his perversions but Labor sec Acosta is under the microscope.

Are you lying or just uninformed?  

House Democrats Subpoena 12 People for Trump Dirt, Including Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer
JOSHUA CAPLAN
11 Jul 2019
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/11/house-democrats-subpoena-12-people-for-trump-dirt-including-stormy-daniels-lawyer/

House Dems subpoena major Trump figures in Mueller probe
By Mark Moore July 11, 2019
https://nypost.com/2019/07/11/house-dems-subpoena-major-trump-figures-in-mueller-probe/

Confusion hangs over Mueller testimony, as Dems plan marathon hearings
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/confusion-hangs-over-mueller-testimony-as-dems-plan-marathon-hearings

Harris: Justice Dept. 'Would Have No Choice' But To Prosecute Trump After Presidency
The NPR Politics Podcast
June 12, 2019
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730941386/harris-justice-dept-would-have-no-choice-but-to-prosecute-trump-after-presidency


Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: chaos on July 11, 2019, 12:52:16 PM
Are you lying or just uninformed?  

House Democrats Subpoena 12 People for Trump Dirt, Including Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer
JOSHUA CAPLAN
11 Jul 2019
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/11/house-democrats-subpoena-12-people-for-trump-dirt-including-stormy-daniels-lawyer/

House Dems subpoena major Trump figures in Mueller probe
By Mark Moore July 11, 2019
https://nypost.com/2019/07/11/house-dems-subpoena-major-trump-figures-in-mueller-probe/

Confusion hangs over Mueller testimony, as Dems plan marathon hearings
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/confusion-hangs-over-mueller-testimony-as-dems-plan-marathon-hearings

Harris: Justice Dept. 'Would Have No Choice' But To Prosecute Trump After Presidency
The NPR Politics Podcast
June 12, 2019
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730941386/harris-justice-dept-would-have-no-choice-but-to-prosecute-trump-after-presidency



TDS is running wild trough the democratic ranks. We may have to put them all down as the only cure is common sense.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 12, 2019, 07:05:07 PM
Yes, they often use the Mueller report to gin up their position with the hardcore liberal base.
BUT< when asked what was the main topic for questions while campaigning, they say;
" Most voters don't follow the Mueller investigation or ask many questions about Russia.
They DO ask a lot about health care and jobs, etc"

This is incoherent. ^^^

You said this:


Unless some epic conclusive evidence against Trump suddenly  comes forward, it's over and the country has moved on .
Every major dem candidate said that.


I posted several links showing this is completely false. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 22, 2019, 06:16:45 PM
How Mueller deputy Andrew Weissmann's offer to an oligarch could boomerang on DOJ
BY JOHN SOLOMON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 07/22/19

The ink was still drying on special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment papers when his chief deputy, the famously aggressive and occasionally controversial prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, made a bold but secret overture in early June 2017.

Weissmann quietly reached out to the American lawyers for Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash with a tempting offer: Give us some dirt on Donald Trump in the Russia case, and Team Mueller might make his 2014 U.S. criminal charges go away.

The specifics of the never-before-reported offer were confirmed to me by multiple sources with direct knowledge, as well as in contemporaneous defense memos I read.

Two years later, Weissmann’s overture may have far-reaching consequences for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), here and abroad. His former boss, Mueller, is slated to testify Wednesday before Congress.

The DOJ, Mueller’s office and Weissmann did not immediately respond to emails requesting comment on Monday.

At first blush, one might ask, “What’s the big deal?” It’s not unusual for federal prosecutors to steal a page from Monty Hall’s “Let’s Make a Deal” script during plea negotiations.

But Weissmann’s overture was wrapped with complexity and intrigue far beyond the normal federal case, my sources indicate.

At the time, pressure was building inside the DOJ and the FBI to find smoking-gun evidence against Trump in the Russia case because the Steele dossier — upon which the early surveillance warrants were based — was turning out to be an uncorroborated mess. (“There’s no big there there,” lead FBI agent Pete Strzok texted a few days before Weissmann’s overture.)

Likewise, key evidence that the DOJ used to indict Firtash on corruption charges in 2014 was falling apart. Two central witnesses were in the process of recanting testimony, and a document the FBI portrayed as bribery evidence inside Firtash’s company was exposed as a hypothetical slide from an American consultant’s PowerPoint presentation, according to court records I reviewed.

In other words, the DOJ faced potential embarrassment in two high-profile cases when Weissmann made an unsolicited approach on June 4, 2017, that surprised even Firtash’s U.S. legal team.

To some, the offer smacked of being desperately premature. Mueller was appointed just two weeks earlier, did not even have a full staff selected, and was still getting up to speed on the details of the investigation. So why rush to make a deal when the prosecution team still was being selected, some wondered.

Second, Weissmann’s approach was audaciously aggressive, even for a prosecutor with his reputation.

According to a defense memo recounting Weissmann’s contacts, the prosecutor claimed the Mueller team could “resolve the Firtash case” in Chicago and neither the DOJ nor the Chicago U.S. Attorney’s Office “could interfere with or prevent a solution,” including withdrawing all charges. “The complete dropping of the proceedings … was doubtless on the table,” according to the defense memo.

Firtash’s team suspected Weissmann’s claim was exaggerated. While Mueller had full authority to investigate the Russia case, he wasn’t an independent counsel separate of the DOJ but, rather, a special counsel subject to the attorney general’s oversight.

The third red flag came in how much Weissmann communicated to Firstash’s lawyers about his hopes for the Ukrainian oligarch’s testimony.

Prosecutors in plea deals typically ask a defendant for a written proffer of what they can provide in testimony and identify the general topics that might interest them. But Weissmann appeared to go much further in a July 7, 2017, meeting with Firtash’s American lawyers and FBI agents, sharing certain private theories of the nascent special counsel’s investigation into Trump, his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Russia, according to defense memos.

For example, Firtash’s legal team wrote that Weissmann told them he believed a company called Bayrock, tied to former FBI informant Felix Sater, had “made substantial investments with Donald Trump’s companies” and that prosecutors were looking for dirt on Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner.

Weissmann told the Firtash team “he believes that Manafort and his people substantially coordinated their activities with Russians in order to win their work in Ukraine,” according to the defense memos. And the Mueller deputy said he “believed” a Ukrainian group tied to Manafort “was merely a front for illegal criminal activities in Ukraine,” and suggested a “Russian secret service authority” may have been involved in influencing the 2016 U.S. election, the defense memos show.

Weissmann’s private observations and sharing of prosecutor’s theories went beyond what prosecutors normally do in proffer negotiations and risked planting ideas that could lead the witness to craft his testimony, according to legal experts I consulted.

Remarkably, Firtash turned down Weissmann’s plea overtures even though the oligarch has been trapped in Austria for five years, fighting extradition on U.S. charges in Chicago alleging that he engaged in bribery and corruption in India related to a U.S. aerospace deal. He denies the charges.

The oligarch’s defense team told me that Firtash rejected the deal because he didn’t have credible information or evidence on the topics Weissmann outlined.

But now, as Firtash escalates his fight to avoid extradition, the Weissmann overture is being offered to an Austrian court as potential defense evidence that the DOJ’s prosecution is flawed by bogus evidence and political motivations.

In a sealed court filing in Austria earlier this month, Firtash’s legal team compared the DOJ’s 13-year investigation of Firtash to the medieval inquisitions. It cited Weissmann’s overture as evidence of political motivation, saying the prosecutor dangled the “possible cessation of separate criminal proceedings against the applicant if he were prepared to exchange sufficiently incriminating statements for wide-ranging comprehensively political subject areas which included the U.S. President himself as well as the Russian President Vladimir Putin.”

After years of litigation, the U.S. Justice Department won a ruling in Austria to secure Firtash’s extradition to Chicago. But then his legal team secretly filed new evidence that included the Weissmann overture, and Austrian officials suddenly reversed course last week and ordered a new, lengthy delay in extradition.

That new court filing asserts that two key witnesses, cited by the DOJ in its extradition request as affirming the bribery allegations against Firtash, since have recanted, claiming the FBI grossly misquoted them and pressured them to sign their statements. One witness claims his 2012 statement to the FBI was “prewritten by the U.S. authorities” and contains “relevant inaccuracies in substance,” including that he never used the terms “bribery or bribe payments” as DOJ claimed, according to the Austrian court filing.

That witness also claimed he only signed the 2012 statement because the FBI “exercised undue pressure on him,” including threats to seize his passport and keep him from returning home to India, the memo alleges. That witness recanted his statements the same summer as Weissmann’s overture to Firtash’s team.

Firtash’s lawyers also offered the Austrian court evidence of alleged prosecutorial wrongdoing.

A key document submitted to Austrian authorities to support Firtash’s extradition was portrayed by DOJ as having come from Firtash’s corporate files and purported to show he sanctioned a bribery scheme in India. In fact, the document was created by the McKinsey consulting firm as part of a hypothetical ethics presentation for the Boeing Co. and had no connection to Firtash’s firm.

Moreover, McKinsey claims in an official statement that it had no knowledge of a bribery scheme by Firtash, and the PowerPoint’s use of the phrase “bribery payments” never came from Firtash or his company and were, instead, hypothetical “assumptions by McKinsey about standard business practices in India,” according to the new Austrian court filing.

Firtash’s U.S. legal team told me it alerted Weissmann to DOJ’s false portrayal of the McKinsey document in 2017, but he downplayed the concerns and refused to alert the Austrian court. The document was never withdrawn as evidence, even after the New York Times published a story last December questioning its validity.

“Submitting a false and misleading document to a foreign sovereign and its courts for an extradition decision is not only unethical but also flouts the comity of trust necessary for that process where judicial systems rely only on documents to make that decision,” Firtash’s American legal team wrote in a statement to me. “DOJ’s refusal to rescind the document after being specifically told it is false and misleading is an egregious violation of U.S. and international law.”

Weissmann long has been a favorite target of conservatives, in part because his earlier work as a prosecutor in the Enron case was overturned unanimously by the U.S. Supreme Court because of overly aggressive prosecutorial tactics. Former DOJ official Sidney Powell strongly condemned Weissmann’s past work as a prosecutor in “Licensed to Lie,” a book critical of DOJ’s pressure tactics.

It is now clear that Weissmann’s overture to a Ukrainian oligarch in the summer of 2017 is about to take on new significance in Washington, where Mueller is about to testify, and in Austria, where Firtash’s extradition fight has taken a new twist.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/454185-how-mueller-deputy-andrew-weissmanns-offer-to-an-oligarch-could-boomerang
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
lol

Nadler: Dems Holding Mock Hearings Today, to Prepare for Questioning Mueller Tomorrow
By Susan Jones | July 23, 2019

(CNSNews.com) - Members of the House Judiciary Committee are holding mock hearings today, Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said, in preparation for tomorrow's testimony from former Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

But in his interview with CNN's "New Day," Nadler would not say who, if anyone, is playing the role of Mueller as part of today's dress rehearsals.

Democrats have a lot riding on Wednesday's back-to-back congressional hearings, at which they hope to "break the lies" put out by President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

But no matter what emerges from Mueller's five hours of testimony, there is more to come, Nadler said.

As I said, our goal is to break the lies of the president and the attorney general in saying that the report found no collusion, found that there was no collusion, that there was no obstruction and exonerated the president," Nadler told CNN. "It did not exonerate the president. The report is chock-full of very damning information against the president.

Again, as I said, it found ten instances of the president obstructing justice. It found instances of the president instructing people to lie to investigators and to lie to the American people. And the American people need to hear this from Mueller.

And then after that, we need to get some of the witnesses cited by Mueller before the committee. Now, the administration has done what no administration has ever done before. They've stonewalled all subpoenas, they've said no one will testify. We will break that and we will hear from people like Don McGahn, etc. and they will testify. And people will know what the report found, will know the facts and then can make judgments.

Nadler noted that most people have not read the 448-page report, and he and other Democrats are trying to give them the movie version of what's in it.

But regardless of whether tomorrow's hearings sway public opinion, there is more persuasion still to come.

Host Alisyn Camerota told Nadler, "It's not going to be over tomorrow for all of you."

"Oh, no, it is certainly not going to be over," Nadler agreed.

"We're going to court in the next few days, as I said before, to try to force people like Don McGahn and Hope Hicks and various other people who are fact witnesses who who testified to the Mueller committee, to come before the committee and testify in open hearings as to what they saw, so that the conclusions of the Mueller investigation can be laid open, not only the conclusions but that people can see the testimony of these people and form judgments."

Nadler said Committee Democrats assume that Mueller will do what he said -- "he'll stay more or less within the bounds of the report."

But Nadler said he and other Democrats "will be referring to specific pages and specific sections in the report and asking him to comment on it."

Nadler gave an example: "Well, paragraph two on page whatever says the following, is that correct? Did you find that? Does this describe obstruction of justice?"

Nadler said there are three tests when considering impeachment:

"One, do you conclude there's real proof the president has committed impeachable offenses," he said.

"Number two, are these impeachable offenses serious offenses. And number three, is there enough evidence public, so that impeaching the president would not tear the country apart? And I think it's very important that the people understand the evidence that there is so that they and therefore the committee and the Congress can make that judgement."

Mueller's investigation ended without indicting the president. "I think it's very clear he (Mueller) left it to Congress, and we have to exercise our powers," Nadler said.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/nadler-dems-holding-mock-hearings-today-prepare-questioning-mueller
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Moontrane on July 23, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
lol

Nadler: Dems Holding Mock Hearings Today, to Prepare for Questioning Mueller Tomorrow
By Susan Jones | July 23, 2019

(CNSNews.com) - Members of the House Judiciary Committee are holding mock hearings today, Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said, in preparation for tomorrow's testimony from former Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

But in his interview with CNN's "New Day," Nadler would not say who, if anyone, is playing the role of Mueller as part of today's dress rehearsals.

Democrats have a lot riding on Wednesday's back-to-back congressional hearings, at which they hope to "break the lies" put out by President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

But no matter what emerges from Mueller's five hours of testimony, there is more to come, Nadler said.

As I said, our goal is to break the lies of the president and the attorney general in saying that the report found no collusion, found that there was no collusion, that there was no obstruction and exonerated the president," Nadler told CNN. "It did not exonerate the president. The report is chock-full of very damning information against the president.

Again, as I said, it found ten instances of the president obstructing justice. It found instances of the president instructing people to lie to investigators and to lie to the American people. And the American people need to hear this from Mueller.

And then after that, we need to get some of the witnesses cited by Mueller before the committee. Now, the administration has done what no administration has ever done before. They've stonewalled all subpoenas, they've said no one will testify. We will break that and we will hear from people like Don McGahn, etc. and they will testify. And people will know what the report found, will know the facts and then can make judgments.

Nadler noted that most people have not read the 448-page report, and he and other Democrats are trying to give them the movie version of what's in it.

But regardless of whether tomorrow's hearings sway public opinion, there is more persuasion still to come.

Host Alisyn Camerota told Nadler, "It's not going to be over tomorrow for all of you."

"Oh, no, it is certainly not going to be over," Nadler agreed.

"We're going to court in the next few days, as I said before, to try to force people like Don McGahn and Hope Hicks and various other people who are fact witnesses who who testified to the Mueller committee, to come before the committee and testify in open hearings as to what they saw, so that the conclusions of the Mueller investigation can be laid open, not only the conclusions but that people can see the testimony of these people and form judgments."

Nadler said Committee Democrats assume that Mueller will do what he said -- "he'll stay more or less within the bounds of the report."

But Nadler said he and other Democrats "will be referring to specific pages and specific sections in the report and asking him to comment on it."

Nadler gave an example: "Well, paragraph two on page whatever says the following, is that correct? Did you find that? Does this describe obstruction of justice?"

Nadler said there are three tests when considering impeachment:

"One, do you conclude there's real proof the president has committed impeachable offenses," he said.

"Number two, are these impeachable offenses serious offenses. And number three, is there enough evidence public, so that impeaching the president would not tear the country apart? And I think it's very important that the people understand the evidence that there is so that they and therefore the committee and the Congress can make that judgement."

Mueller's investigation ended without indicting the president. "I think it's very clear he (Mueller) left it to Congress, and we have to exercise our powers," Nadler said.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/nadler-dems-holding-mock-hearings-today-prepare-questioning-mueller

Ivanka's new dog.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2019, 06:38:38 PM
What disgusting anti-American zealots these people are.  I don't like McConnell, but this kind of smear is just wrong.

Mitch McConnell is a Russian asset
By Dana Milbank
Columnist
July 26, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitch-mcconnell-is-a-russian-asset/2019/07/26/02cf3510-afbc-11e9-a0c9-6d2d7818f3da_story.html?utm_term=.b36708ed2c09
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2019, 06:44:01 PM
Judge dismisses DNC lawsuit against Trump campaign, Russia over election interference
BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 07/30/19
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/455404-judge-dismisses-dnc-lawsuit-against-trump-campaign-russia-over
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on August 15, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
Fusion, the ‘Collusion’ Puppeteer

Bruce Ohr’s 302s, just released to the public, show Glenn Simpson pulling the strings.


The Justice Department is investigating how a former British intelligence agent, Christopher Steele, came to exert so much influence over the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s erroneous Trump-Russia collusion narrative. Let’s hope the department is also investigating an even more influential man who had even less business manipulating the government: Glenn Simpson, the head of opposition-research firm Fusion GPS.

That’s a pressing question in light of new documents from high-ranking Justice official Bruce Ohr, obtained recently by Judicial Watch. The papers include, among other things, a dozen official FBI interviews (known as 302s) of Mr. Ohr that date from just after the 2016 election through May 2017. The documents suggest Mr. Simpson was the real puppet master of the collusion drama.

More eye-popping in the 302s is the ease with which Mr. Simpson landed meetings with powerful officials, for no apparent purpose other than to peddle unverified accusations against the Trump team. This isn’t a former intelligence officer or government official, or even someone with specialized knowledge of Russia. Mr. Simpson is a private citizen—and one who Mr. Ohr and the FBI knew was providing information to Hillary Clinton ’s team (as Mr. Ohr acknowledges in his initial 302). Yet when Mr. Simpson called, officials across Washington hopped to, swallowing the claims that would become the basis of a false hysteria.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fusion-the-collusion-puppeteer-11565910174
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 21, 2019, 11:18:36 AM
New York Times chief outlines coverage shift: From Trump-Russia to Trump racism
by Byron York
August 15, 2019
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-york-times-chief-outlines-coverage-shift-from-trump-russia-to-trump-racism
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2019, 11:11:00 PM
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell apologizes for unverified Trump-Russia report: 'We are retracting the story'
By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

MSNBC retracts thinly-sourced story on President Trump's finances; reaction and analysis on 'The Five.'

MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell kicked off his show Wednesday night by apologizing for running an unverified report that directly tied President Trump's finances to Russia, which he retracted.

"Last night on this show, I discussed information that wasn't ready for reporting," O'Donnell said. "I repeated statements a single source told me about the president's finances and loan documents with Deutsche Bank saying 'if true'-- as I discussed the information-- was simply not good enough. I did not go through the rigorous verification and standards process here at MSNBC before repeating what I heard from my source. Had it gone through that process, I would not have been permitted to report it. I should not have said it on-air or post it on Twitter. I was wrong to do so."

He went on to acknowledge the letter he and NBCUniversal received by Trump's legal counsel demanding a retraction and an apology for the "aforementioned false and defamatory" reporting and threated to take legal action.

"This afternoon, attorneys for the president sent us a letter asserting the story is false. They also demanded a retraction. Tonight, we are retracting the story," O'Donnell continued. "We don't know whether the information is inaccurate. The fact is we do know it wasn't ready for broadcast and for that I apologize."

On Tuesday night, O’Donnell and fellow far-left MSNBC host Rachel Maddow discussed how Trump was “able to obtain loans when no one else would loan him any money” when he tossed out the unverified speculation.

“I may have some information, in this next hour, which would add a great deal to their understanding of that, if true, and I’ll be discussing it here,” O’Donnell said. "I stress ‘if true,’ because this is a single source who has told me that Deutsche Bank obtained tax returns… this single source close to Deutsche Bank has told me that Donald Trump’s loan documents there show that he has co-signers. That’s how he was able to obtain those loans and that the co-signers are Russian oligarchs."

A stunned Maddow leaned back in her chair and responded, “What? Really?”

O’Donnell added “that would explain every kind word Donald Trump has ever said about Russia and Vladimir Putin” if his information is accurate.

The "Last Word" host and MSNBC were widely panned by critics for running the story, calling it "grossly irresponsible." The White House blasted the report, pointing to "left-wing outlets" that have "weaponized the media.

“This is one of the reasons that a majority of Americans have lost trust in the media. Instead of applying ethics and standards to their reporting, journalists and left-wing outlets have weaponized the media, using it to attack and harass people with little to no regard for the truth,” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham told Fox News.

O'Donnell took to Twitter earlier in the day and walked back the report, referring to it as an "error in judgment."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-lawrence-odonnell-apologizes-retracts-story
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 25, 2019, 06:45:26 PM
The end is near.  Again.  The Manchurian Candidate is toast.

Federal judge rules congressional Democrats can have access to Mueller grand jury material
Alex PappasBy Alex Pappas | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-rules-congressional-democrats-can-have-access-to-mueller-grand-jury-material
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Slapper on October 25, 2019, 07:22:55 PM
The end is near.  Again.  The Manchurian Candidate is toast.

That's what you said back in June.

Tis now October.

Guess... Just GUESS, where we're going to be come November of 2020?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 25, 2019, 07:27:35 PM
That's what you said back in June.

Tis now October.

Guess... Just GUESS, where we're going to be come November of 2020?

Right?  Hope springs eternal.   :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
Rumors Are Swirling That Former FBI Top Lawyer James Baker Is Now Cooperating With Durham; The Problem? There Are Two James Bakers In This Movie
Posted October 26, 2019 by Elizabeth Vaughn
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/10/26/rumors-swirling-former-fbi-top-lawyer-james-baker-now-cooperating-durham-problem-two-james-bakers-movie/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 29, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
That's what you said back in June.

Tis now October.

Guess... Just GUESS, where we're going to be come November of 2020?

I have no idea where we will be come November 2020. Guessing is like gambling and I don't gamble.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2019, 09:22:07 AM
Barr says watchdog report on Russia probe's origins is 'imminent'
By JOSH GERSTEIN, KYLE CHENEY and ABBEY MARSHALL
11/13/2019

Attorney General William Barr confirmed on Wednesday that an internal watchdog’s report on the origins of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s dealings with Russia during the 2016 election is “imminent.”

The highly anticipated report, led by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, seeks to establish whether the bureau violated laws and policies that govern the surveillance of American citizens.

“It’s been reported and it’s my understanding that it is imminent,” Barr said at a news conference in Memphis, Tennessee. “A number of people who were mentioned in the report are having an opportunity right now to comment on how they were quoted in the report, and after that process is over which is very short, the report will be issued. That’s what the inspector general himself suggests.”

The Justice Department inspector general’s office declined to comment, and a spokeswoman for Barr declined to elaborate on his suggestion about the timing. However, two sources confirmed that interview subjects had been notified in recent days that they would soon be shown portions of the review—typically a sign that the report is on the verge of public release.

Horowitz had previously indicated, in an Oct. 24 letter to Congress, that he was in the process of finalizing his report. He said he had turned over a draft of his findings to the Justice Department and the FBI for a classification review.

“The goal from my standpoint is to make as much of our report public as possible,” Horowitz wrote. “I anticipate that the final report will be released publicly with few redactions.”

Barr has said little about Horowitz’s report, but in a May interview with CBS News, he described the inspector general’s inquiry as limited in scope. “He’s looking at a discrete area that is- that is you know, important, which is the use of electronic surveillance that was targeted at Carter Page,” Barr said, referring to the unpaid Trump campaign adviser whose meetings with Russian officials drew FBI scrutiny during the 2016 campaign.

Republicans have alleged that the FBI misrepresented the basis of its application for a warrant to surveil Page to a federal judge, saying the bureau underplayed the importance of the so-called Steele dossier, along with its partisan origins. The warrant was reviewed and renewed multiple times, by judges appointed by presidents of both parties.

Asked about the IG report, Page told POLITICO he was "just in the process of confirming specific details with DOJ, but I remain optimistic that this should happen imminently."

FBI officials have said in official documents that the true origin of its Russia probe was not the dossier, a compilation of raw intelligence reports by former MI-6 officer Christopher Steele, but a tip that another unpaid Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was bragging to an Australian diplomat about how Russia had obtained a trove of Hillary Clinton’s emails.

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A footnote in the warrant application, which was released by House Republicans over Democrats’ objections, does note the dossier’s link to partisan politics. But it does not specifically disclose its links to the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party, which had commissioned Steele’s work.

Horowitz’s report is wrapping up while a broader investigation into the Russia probe, led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, remains ongoing. Former top CIA officials, including John Brennan, have said they expected to be interviewed and pledged to cooperate.

Barr has said he had instructed Durham to determine whether there was an “adequate predicate” for the Russia probe, which resulted in a special counsel’s report that ultimately did not establish that the Trump campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

Durham’s probe recently became a criminal inquiry, though it’s not clear precisely when or whether Horowitz has made any criminal referrals arising from his work on the FISA issue.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/13/barr-watchdog-report-russia-probe-070603
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 14, 2019, 09:31:08 AM
It's obvious the timing of this impeachment is to deflect from this report.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2019, 03:18:05 PM
It's obvious the timing of this impeachment is to deflect from this report.

No doubt.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2019, 03:20:12 PM
You mean it still might be possible that Trump is a Russian spy?  :o

Carl Bernstein: GOP senators 'deeply disturbed' by Trump-Russia link as impeachment trial looms
by Daniel Chaitin
November 18, 2019

Senate Republicans are confiding in reporters a growing sense of unease about President Trump's decisions that align with Russian priorities at the expense of U.S. interests.

Veteran investigative journalist Carl Bernstein reported Monday that members of Trump's own party are "deeply disturbed" by what they have witnessed so far in House impeachment proceedings.

"What we have seen through these impeachment testimonies is what has so many Republican senators, and I've talked to a few — quite a few and so have other reporters, they are deeply disturbed at what they have learned again about the president of the United States' willingness to serve the interest of Russia and Vladimir Putin," he said on CNN.

Bernstein outlined how the Russia question has been a relentless source of consternation for GOP members of the Senate. He listed off examples, including Trump's 2018 Helsinki summit in which he sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin over the U.S. Intelligence Community's assessment about election interference, and more recently, the U.S. troop withdrawal in Syria that gave way to Turkey attacking Kurdish allies in the region.

Dating back to the 2016 election, Trump has faced questions about whether he colluded with the Russians. Special counsel Robert Mueller found Russia sought to undermine former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in favor of Trump but did not find sufficient evidence to show a criminal conspiracy between members of Trump's team and the Kremlin.

But the disquieted feeling described by Bernstein is now said to be surging due to the Ukraine case at the center of the House Democrats' impeachment effort where Russia's shadow looms large. Investigators are looking into whether Trump abused his office by leveraging nearly $400 million in security aid meant to counter Russian aggression and a White House meeting with the Ukrainian president to coerce the former Soviet republic into conducting investigations into his political rivals.


“With you, Mr. President, all roads lead to Putin,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said last week.

If the House passes articles of impeachment, the case will move to a trial phase in the Senate where Republican leaders have signaled Trump is in no danger of being removed from office.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on Monday he "can't imagine a scenario under which President Trump would be removed from office with 67 votes in the Senate."

Bernstein and fellow Watergate sleuth Bob Woodward have still reported that cracks exist in Trump's GOP firewall in the Senate, which are magnified by the 2020 election.

“I know Republican senators, and they are choking on this,” Woodward said last month, referring to the burgeoning Ukraine scandal. “Whether they say that’s too much, I don’t know."

Bernstein said the key question Republicans are asking is whether Trump is "witting," "unwitting," or "half witting" in serving Putin's interests.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/carl-bernstein-gop-senators-deeply-disturbed-by-trump-russia-link-as-impeachment-trial-looms
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2019, 03:07:11 PM
Durham Probe Expands to Pentagon Office That Contracted FBI Spy Stephan Halper
By Sara Carter -November 21, 2019
https://saraacarter.com/durham-probe-expands-to-pentagon-office-that-contracted-fbi-spy-stephan-halper/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-pug
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2019, 04:38:12 PM
Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe
By Katelyn Polantz and Evan Perez, CNN
November 22, 2019
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on November 21, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe
By Katelyn Polantz and Evan Perez, CNN
November 22, 2019
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

Wow! You are going crazy digging up as much dirt as you can on Trump's opponents. Do you think it will make a difference or will you be all the more disappointed when these questionable stories change nothing?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2019, 04:45:09 PM
Wow! You are going crazy digging up as much dirt as you can on Trump's opponents. Do you think it will make a difference or will you be all the more disappointed when these questionable stories change nothing?

What you talkin bout Willis?  I'm not digging up anything.  Unlike you, I don't live in an echo chamber.  I get my news from a variety of sources.  These are newsworthy items I'm posting. 

Regarding this story, it's a CNN "exclusive."  It deals with the Russia Hoax, which doesn't involve Trump's current opponents. 

And you didn't address the merits of the story.  You're trolling. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2019, 04:45:27 PM
Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe
By Katelyn Polantz and Evan Perez, CNN
November 22, 2019
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ75hunUcAEJoBT?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Board_SHERIF on November 21, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe
By Katelyn Polantz and Evan Perez, CNN
November 22, 2019
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html


Now this is real news, Comey ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on November 21, 2019, 05:53:24 PM

Now this is real news, Comey ?
That would be great.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2019, 05:56:41 PM

Now this is real news, Comey ?

Not sure, but the cockroaches are definitely scurrying now that the lights are on. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 12:45:41 PM
Washington Post media critic slams Rachel Maddow, says liberal host 'rooted' for Steele dossier
Talia KaplanBy Talia Kaplan | Fox News

In a stunning takedown of MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple wrote Thursday that the liberal cable news star “rooted for” British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier, which served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump campaign official Carter Page, to be the smoking gun that would force the president out of office.

In an op-ed titled, “Rachel Maddow rooted for the Steele dossier to be true. Then it fell apart,” Wemple wrote, “She seemed to be rooting for the document.” He added, “As part of her Russianist phase, Maddow became a clearinghouse for news increments regarding the dossier.”

Wemple’s piece was part of a serialized post-mortem on the media’s handling of the Steele dossier, since thoroughly debunked by Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz.

Earlier this month, Horowitz released the highly anticipated findings from his nearly two-year review concerning the origins of the Russia investigation in a 476-page report, which generally found that agents were justified in launching the investigation known as Crossfire Hurricane, as well as investigations into Trump associates. However, the inspector general found that the FBI did not have any specific information corroborating allegations against Page from Steele’s dossier.

In addition to the lack of corroboration, the inspector general found that the FBI’s interviews of Steele and his sub-sources “revealed potentially serious problems with Steele’s description of information in his election reports.” The report stated that the FBI “failed to notify” the Office of Investigations, which was working on the Page FISA applications, “of the potentially serious problems identified with Steele’s election reporting that arose as early as January 2017.”

CIA officials argued that Steele’s reporting was simply "Internet rumor," according to the report.

“When small bits of news arose in favor of the dossier, the franchise MSNBC host pumped air into them,” Wemple wrote in Thursday’s op-ed. “At least some of her many fans surely came away from her broadcasts thinking the dossier was a serious piece of investigative research, not the flimflam, quick-twitch game of telephone outlined in the Horowitz report.”

Wemple continued, “When large bits of news arose against the dossier, Maddow found other topics more compelling.” He added, “She was there for the bunkings, absent for the debunkings — a pattern of misleading and dishonest asymmetry.”

Wemple noted that the host said, “Above all else, we know this about the now-famous dossier: Christopher Steele had this story before the rest of America did, and he got it from Russian sources.” Wemple added that Maddow “used the term ‘deep cover sources’ to describe Steele’s network.”

He then pointed out, “According to the Horowitz report, the ‘Primary Sub-source’ for the dossier told the FBI that the information he/she passed along amounted to ‘word of mouth and hearsay.’”

NBC News did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

In his op-ed, Wemple pointed to a “key exchange” in the October edition of the podcast Skullduggery, during which Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News pressed Maddow on her show’s approach to Russia.

Wemple noted that after some back-and-forth about particulars of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report and the dossier with Isikoff, Maddow reportedly said: “You’re trying to litigate the Steele dossier through me as if I am the embodiment of the Steele dossier, which I think is creepy, and I think it’s unwarranted. And, it’s not like I’ve been making the case for the accuracy of the Steele dossier and that’s been the basis of my Russia reporting. That’s just not true.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-rachel-maddow-erik-wemple
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 06:08:59 PM
McCain was a great American, but this was disgraceful.

IG Report Reveals Steele Funneled Claims Through John McCain After FBI Dropped Him
AARON KLEIN  26 Dec 2019

Late Senator John McCain provided disgraced former FBI chief James Comey with five separate reports from Christopher Steele that the FBI didn’t previously possess related to unsubstantiated allegations of collusion between Russia and President Trump’s 2016 campaign, the Justice Department’s recent Inspector General report revealed.

There have long been questions about why it was necessary for McCain to pass Steele’s anti-Trump dossier to Comey on December 9, 2016, several weeks after the November 2016 presidential election. By then, Steele had already met numerous times with FBI agents to provide them with his controversial reports. Steele, however, was terminated as an FBI source in the fall of 2016 because he spoke to the news media.

The IG report discloses that McCain gave five new Steele reports to Comey that the FBI did not previously possess, showing that McCain served as a conduit for Steele’s information to reach the FBI even after the British ex-spy was formally cut off as an FBI source.

It is not clear whether McCain knew at the time that Steele had previously been terminated as an FBI source.

The IG report also verifies that a McCain aid obtained the Steele reports directly from Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson, meaning that when McCain transferred the anti-Trump charges to Comey he had to have known that the material originated with a firm that specializes in controversial opposition tactics.

Fusion GPS was paid for its anti-Trump work by Trump’s primary political opponents, namely Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) via the Perkins Coie law firm.

States the IG report:

Several weeks later, on December 9, 2016, Senator John McCain provided Comney with a collection of 16 Steele election reports, 5 of which Steele had not given the FBI. McCain had obtained these reports from a staff member at the McCain Institute. The McCain Institute staff member had met with Steele and later acquired the reports from Simpson.

The unnamed McCain staff member is known to be David J. Kramer, who also infamously provided BuzzFeed with the Steele dossier.

BuzzFeed published Steele’s full dossier on January 10, 2017 setting off a firestorm of news media coverage about the document.

Prior to his death, McCain admitted to personally handing the dossier to Comey but he refused repeated requests for comment about whether he had a role in providing the dossier to BuzzFeed, including numerous inquiries sent to his office by this reporter.

In his book published last year, McCain maintained he had an “obligation” to pass the dossier charges against Trump to Comey and he would even do it again. “Anyone who doesn’t like it can go to hell,” McCain exclaimed.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/26/ig-report-reveals-steele-funneled-claims-through-john-mccain-after-fbi-dropped-him/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on December 26, 2019, 06:17:51 PM
I'll pretty much let this one fly because it is yet another example of the nonsense many of us spend our time chomping on, regardless that no one (in there right mind), swallows it.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
I'll pretty much let this one fly because it is yet another example of the nonsense many of us spend our time chomping on, regardless that no one (in there right mind), swallows it.

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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 09:15:45 PM
Cannot remember if I posted this back in October, but with the FISA abuse being uncovered, it is evidence that Obama knew about the spying on the Trump campaign. 

Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson Reveals He Was Hired to Investigate Trump in “Fall of 2015” – Claims Memos From Steele Dossier Made Their Way ‘Directly to Obama’
Cristina Laila by Cristina Laila October 14, 2019

Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson revealed in a new book titled, “Crime in Progress” which is set to be released next month that he was first hired to investigate Donald Trump “in the fall of 2015.”

Simpson also claims that memos from the Christopher Steele dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and her camp made its way directly “to President Obama.”

Hillary Clinton and the DNC during the 2016 presidential election hid their payments to oppos research firm Fusion GPS and Steele through their law firm Perkins Coie.

Perkins Coie paid Fusion GPS who then paid former British spy Christopher Steele to compile a Russia dossier to smear Donald Trump.

To this day, the dossier still has not been verified yet the FBI used it to obtain four FISA warrants on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page.

Of course Obama read the memos that made up the phony Russia dossier.

The coup plotters, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper all met in the Oval Office in January of 2017 and discussed the dossier.

Then-FBI Director James Comey briefed Trump on the salacious claims in the dossier in January of 2017 shortly before Inauguration Day.

It is now known that Comey was already spying on Donald Trump and used his January 2017 meeting at Trump Tower to surveil Trump.

Glenn Simpson worked with the Democrats to frame Trump as a Russian agent and mysteriously met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her meeting with Don Jr. at Trump Tower in June of 2016.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/fusion-gpss-glenn-simpson-reveals-he-was-hired-to-investigate-trump-in-fall-of-2015-claims-memos-from-steele-dossier-made-their-way-directly-to-obama/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on February 11, 2020, 12:22:41 AM
The point man on Mueller's team showing just how impartial he was. 

Mueller Investigator Andrew Weissman Rants Against Trump on MSNBC
JOEL B. POLLAK  6 Feb 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/06/mueller-investigator-andrew-weissman-rants-against-trump-on-msnbc/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 11, 2020, 02:10:24 PM
Both prosecutors on the Roger Stone case resigned from DOJ today for trying to give him 9 years for nothing - AKA talking about WikiLeaks not with WikiLeaks. Another attempt by dirty partisan hacks to frame on "process crimes".

Case to be looked at again by DOJ.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 11, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
Both prosecutors on the Roger Stone case resigned from DOJ today for trying to give him 9 years for nothing - AKA talking about WikiLeaks not with WikiLeaks. Another attempt by dirty partisan hacks to frame on "process crimes".

Case to be looked at again by DOJ.

By both did you mean two pairs? Four prosecutors resigned today from the Roger Stone case.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 11, 2020, 09:25:46 PM
By both did you mean two pairs? Four prosecutors resigned today from the Roger Stone case.


Yes, two more later on....glad to see no objection to the rest of my post.  :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on February 13, 2020, 02:37:07 PM

Yes, two more later on....glad to see no objection to the rest of my post.  :)

The only posts I object to are those with irrelevant and nasty personal comments. And, I really don't object to them so much as I find them terribly immature and sad.
I do however, express my opinion if it is different from that which was stated. I believe this is what some term a discussion. I don't think people always need to agree to be amicable or at least civil to one another.

The welcome to the Thunder-dome excuse is nonsense.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on April 01, 2020, 08:29:13 PM
Inevitable Shoe Drops: DOJ Dismisses Mueller’s Charges against Russian Businesses
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
March 19, 2020
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/department-of-justice-dismisses-robert-mueller-charges-against-russian-businesses/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: mazrim on April 02, 2020, 10:17:21 AM
Inevitable Shoe Drops: DOJ Dismisses Mueller’s Charges against Russian Businesses
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
March 19, 2020
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/department-of-justice-dismisses-robert-mueller-charges-against-russian-businesses/
Nice update! Unfortunately, not enough pub in today's world to see this stuff come out.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
Schiff releases transcripts undercutting Dem claims of Russia collusion proof
FBI officials admit they knew Papadopoulos had little contact with Russians but opened probe anyways. DNC-connected lawyer reveals CIA contact.
May 7, 2020
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/transcripts-fbi-intel-officials-had-little-proof
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on November 28, 2020, 11:32:09 AM
Carter Page files $75M lawsuit against DOJ, FBI, Comey claiming 'unlawful surveillance' during Russia probe

Carter Page, a former Trump aide whom the FBI surveilled during the Russia probe, has filed a $75 million lawsuit against the bureau, Justice Department and former FBI Director James Comey.

The lawsuit filed Friday accuses the FBI, DOJ and Comey of violating Page's constitutional "and other legal rights in connection with unlawful surveillance and investigation of him by the United States Government."

"This case is about holding accountable the entities and individuals who are responsible for the most egregious violation and abuse of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] FISA statute since it was enacted over forty years ago," the complaint states.

The FBI had relied on information from former English spy Christopher Steele's since-debunked dossier in an effort to obtain FISA warrants against Page, whom Steele alleged had ties to a Russian influence campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The lawsuit cites four requests the FBI filed to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in an effort to obtain more information on Page as part of its "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation. A 2019 Justice Department inspector general report found that the FBI made a number of significant errors in its applications.

The lawsuit opens with November testimony from former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who said during a November hearing before the Senate Judiciary Commitee that "any material misrepresentation or error in a FISA application is unacceptable," and admitted that the FBI is "responsible for the work that went into that FISA."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/carter-page-lawsuit-doj-fbi-comey
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 28, 2020, 03:11:45 PM
I know his lawyer.


Carter Page files $75M lawsuit against DOJ, FBI, Comey claiming 'unlawful surveillance' during Russia probe

Carter Page, a former Trump aide whom the FBI surveilled during the Russia probe, has filed a $75 million lawsuit against the bureau, Justice Department and former FBI Director James Comey.

The lawsuit filed Friday accuses the FBI, DOJ and Comey of violating Page's constitutional "and other legal rights in connection with unlawful surveillance and investigation of him by the United States Government."

"This case is about holding accountable the entities and individuals who are responsible for the most egregious violation and abuse of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] FISA statute since it was enacted over forty years ago," the complaint states.

The FBI had relied on information from former English spy Christopher Steele's since-debunked dossier in an effort to obtain FISA warrants against Page, whom Steele alleged had ties to a Russian influence campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The lawsuit cites four requests the FBI filed to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in an effort to obtain more information on Page as part of its "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation. A 2019 Justice Department inspector general report found that the FBI made a number of significant errors in its applications.

The lawsuit opens with November testimony from former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who said during a November hearing before the Senate Judiciary Commitee that "any material misrepresentation or error in a FISA application is unacceptable," and admitted that the FBI is "responsible for the work that went into that FISA."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/carter-page-lawsuit-doj-fbi-comey
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: jude2 on November 28, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Hope he gets paid.  They really put it on Carter.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on January 29, 2021, 01:54:02 PM
As expected another government racket is quietly forgotten and one of the conspirators gets zero prison time and zero fines. Meanwhile, ordinary people get prison time for trivial or lesser offenses.

Ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith given probation after guilty plea in John Durham probe

Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation and 400 hours of community service Friday after pleading guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

Clinesmith in August pleaded guilty to "one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000."

U.S. District Judge for the District of Columbia James Boasberg on Friday during Clinesmith's sentencing hearing said Clinesmith had suffered by losing his job and standing in the eye of a media hurricane.

Boasberg gave him 12 months probation, 400 hours of community service, and no fine.

Government prosecutors had been asking for Clinesmith to spend several months in jail, but Clinesmith's defense had been advocating for probation only.

Clinesmith was initially referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department’s inspector general’s office, which conducted its own review of the Russia investigation. The inspector general had accused Clinesmith, though not by name, of altering an email about former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page to say that he was "not a source" for another government agency.

Page has said he was a source for the CIA. The Justice Department relied on Clinesmith’s assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-sentenced-john-durham-probe
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on January 29, 2021, 06:36:58 PM
As expected another government racket is quietly forgotten and one of the conspirators gets zero prison time and zero fines. Meanwhile, ordinary people get prison time for trivial or lesser offenses.

Ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith given probation after guilty plea in John Durham probe

Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation and 400 hours of community service Friday after pleading guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

Clinesmith in August pleaded guilty to "one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000."

U.S. District Judge for the District of Columbia James Boasberg on Friday during Clinesmith's sentencing hearing said Clinesmith had suffered by losing his job and standing in the eye of a media hurricane.

Boasberg gave him 12 months probation, 400 hours of community service, and no fine.

Government prosecutors had been asking for Clinesmith to spend several months in jail, but Clinesmith's defense had been advocating for probation only.

Clinesmith was initially referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department’s inspector general’s office, which conducted its own review of the Russia investigation. The inspector general had accused Clinesmith, though not by name, of altering an email about former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page to say that he was "not a source" for another government agency.

Page has said he was a source for the CIA. The Justice Department relied on Clinesmith’s assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-sentenced-john-durham-probe

Yep.  Shameful.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on March 31, 2021, 08:43:49 PM
Meet The Russiagate Prober Who Couldn't Verify Anything In Steele Dossier, Yet Said Nothing For Years

For the past four years, Democrats and the Washington media have suspended disbelief about the Steele dossier’s credibility by arguing that some Russia allegations against Donald Trump and his advisers have been corroborated and therefore the most explosive charges may also be true. But recently declassified secret testimony by the FBI official in charge of corroborating the dossier blows up that narrative.

The top analyst assigned to the FBI’s Russia “collusion” case, codenamed Crossfire Hurricane, admitted under oath that neither he nor his team of half a dozen intelligence analysts could confirm any of the allegations in the dossier — including ones the FBI nonetheless included in several warrant applications as evidence to establish legal grounds to electronically monitor a former Trump adviser for almost a year.

FBI Supervisory Intelligence Analyst Brian Auten made the admission under questioning by staff investigators for the Senate Judiciary Committee during closed-door testimony in October. The committee only this year declassified the transcript, albeit with a number of redactions including the name of Auten, who was identified by congressional sources who spoke on condition of anonymity.

“So with respect to the Steele reporting,” Auten told the committee, “the actual allegations and the actions described in those reports could not be corroborated.”

After years of digging, Auten conceded that the only material in the dossier that he could verify was information that was already publicly available, such as names, entities, and positions held by persons mentioned in the document.

His testimony, kept secret for several months, is eye-opening because it’s the first time anybody from the FBI has acknowledged headquarters failed to verify any of the dossier evidence supporting the wiretaps as true and correct.

As one of the FBI's leading experts on Russia, Auten was highly familiar with the subject matter of the dossier and the Russian players it cited. He also had a team of intelligence analysts at his disposal to pore over the material and chase down leads. They even traveled overseas to interview the dossier’s author, former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, and other sources.

Still, they could not corroborate any of the allegations of Trump-Russia “collusion" in the dossier, and actually debunked many of them — including the rumor, oft-repeated by the media, that Trump attorney Michael Cohen flew to Prague in the summer of 2016 to secretly huddle with Kremlin agents over an alleged Trump-Russia plot to hack the election. They determined that Cohen had never even been to the Czech Republic.

Yet Auten and his Crossfire teammates -- who referred to the dossier as “Crown material,” as if it were valuable intelligence from America’s closest ally, Britain -- never informed a secret surveillance court that the dossier was a bust. Instead, they used it as the basis for all four warrant applications to spy on Carter Page, a tangential 2016 Trump campaign adviser. Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally signed and approved the final application, has testified that without the dossier, the warrants could not have been obtained.


Financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 as opposition research against Trump, the dossier was used by the FBI to obtain Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court warrants to eavesdrop on Page from October 2016 to September 2017. A U.S. citizen, Page was accused of being a Russian agent, even though he previously assisted both the CIA and FBI in their efforts to hold Moscow in check. He was never charged with a crime and at least half the warrants have since been invalidated by the court. Page is now suing the FBI, as well as Auten, among other individual defendants, and is seeking a total of $75 million in damages.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/03/30/meet_the_russiagate_prober_who_couldnt_verify_anything_in_the_steele_dossier_yet_said_nothing_for_years_769667.html

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Supervisory_Intelligence_Analyst_Redacted_Transcript_SJC_FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 01, 2021, 01:11:03 AM
Liberal dopes still buy into that scam.


Meet The Russiagate Prober Who Couldn't Verify Anything In Steele Dossier, Yet Said Nothing For Years

For the past four years, Democrats and the Washington media have suspended disbelief about the Steele dossier’s credibility by arguing that some Russia allegations against Donald Trump and his advisers have been corroborated and therefore the most explosive charges may also be true. But recently declassified secret testimony by the FBI official in charge of corroborating the dossier blows up that narrative.

The top analyst assigned to the FBI’s Russia “collusion” case, codenamed Crossfire Hurricane, admitted under oath that neither he nor his team of half a dozen intelligence analysts could confirm any of the allegations in the dossier — including ones the FBI nonetheless included in several warrant applications as evidence to establish legal grounds to electronically monitor a former Trump adviser for almost a year.

FBI Supervisory Intelligence Analyst Brian Auten made the admission under questioning by staff investigators for the Senate Judiciary Committee during closed-door testimony in October. The committee only this year declassified the transcript, albeit with a number of redactions including the name of Auten, who was identified by congressional sources who spoke on condition of anonymity.

“So with respect to the Steele reporting,” Auten told the committee, “the actual allegations and the actions described in those reports could not be corroborated.”

After years of digging, Auten conceded that the only material in the dossier that he could verify was information that was already publicly available, such as names, entities, and positions held by persons mentioned in the document.

His testimony, kept secret for several months, is eye-opening because it’s the first time anybody from the FBI has acknowledged headquarters failed to verify any of the dossier evidence supporting the wiretaps as true and correct.

As one of the FBI's leading experts on Russia, Auten was highly familiar with the subject matter of the dossier and the Russian players it cited. He also had a team of intelligence analysts at his disposal to pore over the material and chase down leads. They even traveled overseas to interview the dossier’s author, former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, and other sources.

Still, they could not corroborate any of the allegations of Trump-Russia “collusion" in the dossier, and actually debunked many of them — including the rumor, oft-repeated by the media, that Trump attorney Michael Cohen flew to Prague in the summer of 2016 to secretly huddle with Kremlin agents over an alleged Trump-Russia plot to hack the election. They determined that Cohen had never even been to the Czech Republic.

Yet Auten and his Crossfire teammates -- who referred to the dossier as “Crown material,” as if it were valuable intelligence from America’s closest ally, Britain -- never informed a secret surveillance court that the dossier was a bust. Instead, they used it as the basis for all four warrant applications to spy on Carter Page, a tangential 2016 Trump campaign adviser. Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally signed and approved the final application, has testified that without the dossier, the warrants could not have been obtained.


Financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 as opposition research against Trump, the dossier was used by the FBI to obtain Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court warrants to eavesdrop on Page from October 2016 to September 2017. A U.S. citizen, Page was accused of being a Russian agent, even though he previously assisted both the CIA and FBI in their efforts to hold Moscow in check. He was never charged with a crime and at least half the warrants have since been invalidated by the court. Page is now suing the FBI, as well as Auten, among other individual defendants, and is seeking a total of $75 million in damages.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/03/30/meet_the_russiagate_prober_who_couldnt_verify_anything_in_the_steele_dossier_yet_said_nothing_for_years_769667.html

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Supervisory_Intelligence_Analyst_Redacted_Transcript_SJC_FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 08, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
As expected another government racket is quietly forgotten and one of the conspirators gets zero prison time and zero fines. Meanwhile, ordinary people get prison time for trivial or lesser offenses.

Ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith given probation after guilty plea in John Durham probe

Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation and 400 hours of community service Friday after pleading guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

Clinesmith in August pleaded guilty to "one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000."

U.S. District Judge for the District of Columbia James Boasberg on Friday during Clinesmith's sentencing hearing said Clinesmith had suffered by losing his job and standing in the eye of a media hurricane.

Boasberg gave him 12 months probation, 400 hours of community service, and no fine.

Government prosecutors had been asking for Clinesmith to spend several months in jail, but Clinesmith's defense had been advocating for probation only.

Clinesmith was initially referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department’s inspector general’s office, which conducted its own review of the Russia investigation. The inspector general had accused Clinesmith, though not by name, of altering an email about former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page to say that he was "not a source" for another government agency.

Page has said he was a source for the CIA. The Justice Department relied on Clinesmith’s assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-sentenced-john-durham-probe

An absolute slap on the wrist.

Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction
Mike Scarcella

(Reuters) - Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to a one-year suspension of his attorney license in Washington, D.C., following his conviction in August 2020 on a felony false-statement charge arising from the internal review of the special counsel's Russia investigation, new bar records show.

Clinesmith and his lawyers at Lathrop GPM signed a negotiated discipline with the District of Columbia office of disciplinary counsel on June 11 that set out the proposed suspension.

A hearing committee of the District of Columbia Board on Professional Responsibility is expected to take up the proposal at a public hearing on July 19.

D.C. bar disciplinary counsel Hamilton Fox III declined to comment Monday on the ethics case against Clinesmith, an assistant general counsel at the FBI focusing on national security and cyber law from 2015 to 2019.

Clinesmith's lawyers at Lathrop GPM, D.C.-based partners Eric Yaffe and Frank Sciremammano, did not respond to messages seeking comment.

The hearing committee can approve or reject a negotiated bar sanction.

If the panel approves the penalty, Clinesmith would lose the ability to practice law until August 2021, one year after he reported his guilty plea to the D.C. disciplinary counsel's office. Clinesmith's bar license is suspended on an interim basis in Michigan, where he has an attorney license.

The director of the Michigan attorney discipline board did respond to a request for comment Monday.

Clinesmith admitted in Washington, D.C. federal court in August 2020 that he altered an email that was included in information presented in 2017 to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court concerning whether or not then-Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had been a "source" for the CIA. Clinesmith said he believed he was conveying accurate information to the court and had no intent to deceive it.

The disciplinary counsel's office said it "does not believe that there is sufficient evidence to prove moral turpitude on the facts." The office pointed to other attorney ethics cases where a lawyer received a one-year bar suspension for the submission of a falsified document to a U.S. agency.

The office also cited Clinesmith's otherwise decade of "distinguished public service" and said he was not driven "by any personal financial, economic or commercial motive." His conduct, the office said, "involves only a single incident, not a pattern of misconduct." Clinesmith met with the disciplinary office and cooperated with the ethics investigation.

As a would-be aggravating factor, bar enforcers said Clinesmith's "misconduct has been used to discredit what appeared otherwise to have been a legitimate and highly important investigation" of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Clinesmith was sentenced in January to one year of probation and 400 hours of community service.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agrees-one-year-bar-sanction-after-conviction-2021-06-28/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Skeletor on July 15, 2021, 12:32:44 PM
59 of 96 phones assigned to Mueller probe missing; GOP senators demand answers from DOJ

Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Chuck Grassley of Iowa sent a letter to the Justice Department Wednesday asking for more information regarding missing phones used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team during the Russian collusion investigation.

The senators sent the letter after finding out the Justice Department "could not locate 59 of the 96 phones used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team," according to Grassley's website.

The two senators wrote to the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General in September 2020 regarding allegations that cell phones assigned to "multiple people on then-Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigative team were 'wiped' for various reasons during [the Russia investigation]."

In a response on May 11, 2021, the OIG reported that 59 of the 96 phones assigned the Special Counsel's Office were unaccounted for.

That report showed that in June 2019, the DOJ took possession of 79 of 96 phones that belonged to members of Muller's team to be reviewed for official records. The records included notes and text messages, which were then sent to DOJ or FBI email systems for preservation. However, not all the phones were subject to record preservation.

The two lawmakers are now following up with requests for further information including:

- the names of SCO employees whose cell phones were not reviewed for official records
- what, if any, actions are being taken by the DOJ to recover the 59 phones the department has been unable to locate
- whether the DOJ reviewed the phones to ascertain "whether they were used to leak sensitive or classified information.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/gop-sens-johnson-and-grassley-request-information-about-muller-teams
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: IRON CROSS on July 15, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
I'll pretty much let this one fly because it is yet another example of the nonsense many of us spend our time chomping on, regardless that no one (in there right mind), swallows it.

Who is winning "Russian" (?) Cyber boys or Biden's Merica  ;D






Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2021, 10:15:53 PM
59 of 96 phones assigned to Mueller probe missing; GOP senators demand answers from DOJ

Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Chuck Grassley of Iowa sent a letter to the Justice Department Wednesday asking for more information regarding missing phones used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team during the Russian collusion investigation.

The senators sent the letter after finding out the Justice Department "could not locate 59 of the 96 phones used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team," according to Grassley's website.

The two senators wrote to the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General in September 2020 regarding allegations that cell phones assigned to "multiple people on then-Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigative team were 'wiped' for various reasons during [the Russia investigation]."

In a response on May 11, 2021, the OIG reported that 59 of the 96 phones assigned the Special Counsel's Office were unaccounted for.

That report showed that in June 2019, the DOJ took possession of 79 of 96 phones that belonged to members of Muller's team to be reviewed for official records. The records included notes and text messages, which were then sent to DOJ or FBI email systems for preservation. However, not all the phones were subject to record preservation.

The two lawmakers are now following up with requests for further information including:

- the names of SCO employees whose cell phones were not reviewed for official records
- what, if any, actions are being taken by the DOJ to recover the 59 phones the department has been unable to locate
- whether the DOJ reviewed the phones to ascertain "whether they were used to leak sensitive or classified information.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/gop-sens-johnson-and-grassley-request-information-about-muller-teams

The phones weren't wiped for "various reasons."  They got together and "forgot" their passwords and to reset the phones, which wiped them.  The obvious reason for that is there was likely a ton of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page-type texts showing how biased they were in this partisan witch hunt. 

Incredible but not surprising how those folks get away with this stuff. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 09, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
Nunes sees 'challenge' in Garland attempting to 'bury' Durham report
by Daniel Chaitin, Deputy News Editor |   | August 07, 2021
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/devin-nunes-john-durham-report-merrick-garland-bury
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2021, 11:29:06 AM
Report: Durham exploring charges against low-level FBI officials and tipsters
BY HARPER NEIDIG - 08/13/21 1
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/567731-report-durham-exploring-charges-against-low-level-fbi-officials-and?rl=1
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2021, 08:01:30 PM
Durham Probe Seeks Indictment of DNC Lawyer for Lying to FBI
Wednesday, 15 September 2021

A special counsel looking into the investigation of contacts between former President Donald Trump's campaign and Russia has told the Justice Department he will ask a grand jury to indict a cybersecurity lawyer on a charge of making a false statement to the FBI, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

John Durham was appointed by former U.S. Attorney General William Barr as special counsel in 2019 to investigate the U.S. officials who probed the Trump-Russia contacts. Trump, a Republican, portrayed the 2016 FBI investigation as part of a witch hunt against him.

The lawyer, Michael Sussmann, is a former federal prosecutor who represented the Democratic National Committee on issues related to Russia's 2016 hacking of its servers, the Times reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.

Sussmann's lawyers, Sean Berkowitz and Michael Bosworth, said in a statement their client has committed no crime.

"We are confident that if Mr. Sussmann is charged, he will prevail at trial and vindicate his good name," they said.

Wyn Hornbuckle, a spokesperson for Durham, declined to comment to Reuters on the report.

The accusation against Sussmann focuses on a meeting he had in September 2016 with a top FBI lawyer in which he relayed analysis from cybersecurity researchers who thought odd Internet data might be evidence of a covert channel between computer servers associated with the Trump Organization and a Kremlin-linked Russian bank, the Times reported.

The FBI eventually decided those concerns had no merit, according to the Times.

The case against Sussmann centers on who his client was when he met with the FBI lawyer, the Times reported. The FBI lawyer recalls Sussmann saying he was not meeting on behalf of any client, while Sussmann told Congress in a 2017 deposition that he sought the meeting on a behalf of a cybersecurity expert, according to the newspaper.

Durham, the Times reported, has obtained billing records from Sussmann's law firm showing that when he logged certain hours as working on the Russian bank matter he billed them to Democrat Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/lying-to-fbi-john-durham-investigation-justice-department/2021/09/15/id/1036630/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Best mean mug ever.  lol

Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI
Michael Sussmann, who worked as an attorney for the Hillary Clinton campaign, is accused of a single felony count in a grand jury indictment.
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/953e17e/2147483647/resize/1920x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F04%2F0b%2F599d5af143ecad05429ee20e60df%2F09162021-durham-ap-773.jpg)
Special Prosecutor John Durham has charged Washington lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to the FBI. | (U.S. Department of Justice via AP)
By JOSH GERSTEIN and KYLE CHENEY
Updated: 09/16/2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/16/special-prosecutor-john-durham-charges-ex-attorney-for-clinton-campaign-with-lying-to-fbi-512316
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on September 16, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Best mean mug ever.  lol

Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI
Michael Sussmann, who worked as an attorney for the Hillary Clinton campaign, is accused of a single felony count in a grand jury indictment.
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/953e17e/2147483647/resize/1920x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F04%2F0b%2F599d5af143ecad05429ee20e60df%2F09162021-durham-ap-773.jpg)
Special Prosecutor John Durham has charged Washington lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to the FBI. | (U.S. Department of Justice via AP)
By JOSH GERSTEIN and KYLE CHENEY
Updated: 09/16/2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/16/special-prosecutor-john-durham-charges-ex-attorney-for-clinton-campaign-with-lying-to-fbi-512316

So Michael Sussmann did the exact same thing as Michael Flynn

Pretty much every right winger here thought Flynn did nothing wrong by lying to the FBI

I disagree

Flynn was wrong to lie to the FBI (to which he PLED GUILTY) and if Sussman  is found to have lied to the FBI that's just as wrong

If Sussman is convicted and Biden chooses to pardon him I assume that none of our right wing posters will have any problem with that.

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2021, 04:33:03 PM
Best mean mug ever.  lol

Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI
Michael Sussmann, who worked as an attorney for the Hillary Clinton campaign, is accused of a single felony count in a grand jury indictment.
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/953e17e/2147483647/resize/1920x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F04%2F0b%2F599d5af143ecad05429ee20e60df%2F09162021-durham-ap-773.jpg)
Special Prosecutor John Durham has charged Washington lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to the FBI. | (U.S. Department of Justice via AP)
By JOSH GERSTEIN and KYLE CHENEY
Updated: 09/16/2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/16/special-prosecutor-john-durham-charges-ex-attorney-for-clinton-campaign-with-lying-to-fbi-512316

Oh snap.  So this guy was definitely pushing Hillary Clinton's Big Lie.  Then lied about it. 


Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
It's time for Trump to answer serious questions about his ties to Russia. http://slate.me/2dWggCd
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Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Straw Man on September 16, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
Oh snap.  So this guy was definitely pushing Hillary Clinton's Big Lie.  Then lied about it. 


Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
It's time for Trump to answer serious questions about his ties to Russia. http://slate.me/2dWggCd
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LOL @ Big Lie

Good luck trying to rebrand that phrase

Trump is branded with the BIG LIE and no one cares about Hillary anymore

If this guy is convicted I hope Biden pardons him just so that I can enjoy the hypocrisy when Trumptard piss and moan about it
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2021, 10:33:21 AM
New Durham indictment exposes second leg of Hillary Clinton's Russia collusion dirty trick
Indictment alleges Democrat lawyer was paid by Clinton campaign to develop documents on alleged Russia collusion computer
By John Solomon
Updated: September 16, 2021 -
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/new-durham-indictment-exposes-second-leg-hillary
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 18, 2021, 03:10:36 PM
LOL @ Big Lie

Good luck trying to rebrand that phrase

Trump is branded with the BIG LIE and no one cares about Hillary anymore

If this guy is convicted I hope Biden pardons him just so that I can enjoy the hypocrisy when Trumptard piss and moan about it

What about YOURS MEGA BIG LIE about Russian Bounty Hunters in Afghanistan ?.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
Clinton lawyer's indictment reveals 'bag of tricks'
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR
September 18, 2021
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/572861-clinton-lawyers-indictment-reveals-bag-of-tricks?amp
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2021, 08:03:36 PM
Dem plot to ‘Steele’ the White House: Anatomy of a political dirty trick
By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 20, 2021
https://nypost.com/2021/09/20/dem-plot-to-steele-the-white-house-anatomy-of-a-political-dirty-trick/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 22, 2021, 12:41:50 PM
Russiagate, More Like Watergate
The indictment of Michael Sussmann sheds new light on the outrageous pre-election activities of Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, which have a familiar ring
Matt Taibbi
Sep 22   


National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan
CNN Chief Media Reporter Brian Stelter hopped on the set of Reliable Sources last weekend, and offered his take on Special Counsel John Durham’s recent indictment of former Perkins Coie attorney Michael Sussmann, calling Durham’s probe a “total bust.” This was in the context of accusing other networks like Fox and OAN of a pattern of “lie, rinse, repeat.”

I was sick last week and didn’t get around to reading the Sussmann case until Tuesday. I can’t imagine Stelter has read it, since the whole thing is about complicity on his side of the media aisle in years of repeat errors and lies, including multiple editorial double-downs even after a major story was publicly exposed as factually incorrect. A long list of press figures — from Stelter’s own CNN colleague and shameless intelligence community spokesclown Natasha Bertrand, to reporters from The New Yorker, Time, MSNBC, Fortune, the Financial Times, and especially Slate and The Atlantic — were witting or unwitting pawns in a scheme to sell the public on a transparently moronic hoax, i.e. that Donald Trump’s campaign was communicating mysterious digital treason to Russia’s Alfa Bank via a secret computer server.

The story sounded absurd from the start, and was instantly challenged by experts. Even outlets normally hostile to Donald Trump like the New York Times and the Washington Post correctly steered clear of it initially. However, plenty of other reporters fell for it and kept falling for it, including Stelter’s own CNN. We’ve known this story was false since at least December 9th, 2019, when Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz told us that “the FBI investigated whether there were cyber links between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, but had concluded by early February 2017 that there were no such links”:


Horowitz’s conclusion was particularly embarrassing for CNN, which cited “sources close to the investigation” in March of 2017 — well after the FBI had already decided there was nothing there, according to Horowitz — to report the “FBI investigation continues” into the “‘odd’ computer link.” Moreover, when the original main source for the Alfa story, a “computer expert” who went by the name “Tea Leaves,” refused CNN’s requests for an interview for that piece, the network explained in apparent seriousness that “fear has now silenced several of the computer scientists who first analyzed the data,” as if a combo squad of Russian spies and Trump goons might put bullets in their heads.

We find out from this indictment that those sources were terrified, all right, only not of Russians or Trump, but of being found out. In fact, the “academics” who were the sources for Franklin Foer’s original October 31, 2016 Slate article, “Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia?”, were so concerned a nonsense allegation of secret Trump-Russia communication wouldn’t pass a public smell test that one of them proposed faking the story to make them “appear to communicate,” literally using the word “faking” in an email.

They ended up not going that far, but the “research” they did produce was so weak that one of them complained that they couldn’t “technically make any claims that would fly public scrutiny,” even if reporters and others lived down to their expectations and proved “not smart enough to refute our ‘best case’ scenario.” The researcher’s email went on, in a line that summed up much of the Russiagate phenomenon:

The only thing that drives us at this point is that we just do not like [Trump]… Folks, I am afraid we have tunnel vision. Time to regroup?

The intrepid reporting heroes who bought this manure-sack from these people were the ones to whom Rachel Maddow said, with a straight face, “We are blessed to have journalists as talented as you… writing about this.”

Twitter avatar for @aaronjmate
Aaron Maté
@aaronjmate
"We are blessed as a country to have journalists as talented as you and Franklin Foer writing about this."
 
-@maddow in 2018 to Dexter Filkins on his and Foer's stories about secret Trump-Russian bank contacts -- a DNC-funded scam that is now subject to a federal indictment.
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The indictment makes a conspicuous point of elucidating a long list of characters in and around the Clinton campaign who were privy to Sussmann’s Trump-Alfa project. In one passage, Durham explains who’s on an email chain about the subject dated September 15, 2016, after Sussmann had given the story to the New York Times and four days before Sussmann would deliver it to the General Counsel of the FBI:

On or about September 15 , 2016, Campaign Lawyer-1 exchanged emails with the Clinton Campaign’s campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor concerning the Russian Bank-1 allegations that SUSSMANN had recently shared with Reporter-1.

Campaign Lawyer-1 is Marc Elias, the General Counsel for the Hillary Clinton campaign. Durham also lists former Clinton campaign manager and current Harvard fellow and House Majority PAC president Robby Mook, former Clinton communications director and current Showtime The Circus co-host Jennifer Palmieri, and former Clinton foreign policy advisor and current National Security Advisor to Joe Biden Jake Sullivan.

The indictment also mentions extensive email correspondence with Fusion-GPS, which eventually provided “another white paper… concerning purported ties between Russian Bank-1’s parent company and the Russian government.” This became part of the package Sussmann delivered to the FBI General Counsel on September 19th, in a hard copy that “contained no date or author’s name.” Sussmann allegedly didn’t mention the Clinton campaign, the Tech Executive, the academics, or Fusion-GPS, and told the FBI he was coming in as a “good citizen and not as an advocate for any client.”

There’s nothing in the indictment to say that any of these people were read in on the most damning communications with the Trump-Alfa sources, in which they talked about things like the story not passing “public scrutiny” or being a “red herring” that might best be “ignored.” There’s no proof, in other words, that someone like Jake Sullivan knew Sussmann was about to knowingly deliver a false story to the FBI.

However, it is a reasonable inference that the Clinton campaign knew the FBI was not going to be told they were Sussmann’s client. If the campaign’s general counsel Elias was looped in to all of Sussmann’s activities, and all of these aforementioned people knew Sussmann had both gone to the press and to the FBI with this story, I defy any of them to provide an innocent explanation for their failure to disclose that the Clinton campaign was the source of the story once it was made public.

These people didn’t just keep quiet about that fact, but actively lied to the public about it. The deception went all the way up to Hillary Clinton herself, who tweeted about the original report from Foer in Slate. Hillary’s tweet, which is still up — this should tell people a lot — contains a lengthy statement from Sullivan:

Twitter avatar for @HillaryClinton
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.
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November 1st 2016

11,885 Retweets15,583 Likes
It’s been suggested that the case against Sussmann is weak because his alleged crime was lying to the FBI, when the FBI knew full well he was working for the Clinton campaign. This doesn’t exculpate Sussmann, it inculpates the FBI, for doing what it did throughout the Russiagate scandal: participating in the fiction that sources like Sussmann or Christopher Steele were financed by someone other than the Clinton campaign. In the Steele case, remember, the FBI went so far as to conceal the Clinton campaign’s role from the FISA court on at least three occasions (see page 260 of the Horowitz report), and director James Comey went so far as to publicly insist Steele’s report was “first funded by the Republicans,” among many other examples.

Russiagate was a daisy-chain of deceptions. The Clinton campaign systematically planted phony stories about things like the Trump-Alfa business, the pee tape/blackmail tale, and Carter Page’s supposed role as a Trump-Russia conduit; the FBI went along with the fiction that inquiries launched on these matters did not originate as paid research from the Clinton campaign; and a parade of news media figures were culpable either as dupes or witting participants in these frauds, which in the case of the Alfa stunt was executed in a “hurry” to affect a presidential election.

The only thing preventing all of this from being thought of as a scaled-up version of Watergate is the continued refusal of institutional America to own up to the comparison. Dick Nixon’s low-rent escapades like the “Canuck letter,” distributing fliers offering free “balloons for the kiddies” on behalf of Hubert Humphrey in black neighborhoods, or sending masses of pizzas to Ed Muskie’s hotel, all paled in comparison to the massive, ongoing campaign of fake news stories — political sabotage — planted by Clinton campaign figures in 2016 and beyond. The fact that the accompanying program of illegal surveillance was effected by lying to obtain FISA authority instead of a “third-rate burglary” and a bug doesn’t improve the situation. If the target had been anyone but Donald Trump, no one would bother even trying to deny how corrupt all this was, and continues to be.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 22, 2021, 01:17:31 PM
Russiagate, More Like Watergate
The indictment of Michael Sussmann sheds new light on the outrageous pre-election activities of Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, which have a familiar ring
Matt Taibbi
Sep 22   


National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan
CNN Chief Media Reporter Brian Stelter hopped on the set of Reliable Sources last weekend, and offered his take on Special Counsel John Durham’s recent indictment of former Perkins Coie attorney Michael Sussmann, calling Durham’s probe a “total bust.” This was in the context of accusing other networks like Fox and OAN of a pattern of “lie, rinse, repeat.”

I was sick last week and didn’t get around to reading the Sussmann case until Tuesday. I can’t imagine Stelter has read it, since the whole thing is about complicity on his side of the media aisle in years of repeat errors and lies, including multiple editorial double-downs even after a major story was publicly exposed as factually incorrect. A long list of press figures — from Stelter’s own CNN colleague and shameless intelligence community spokesclown Natasha Bertrand, to reporters from The New Yorker, Time, MSNBC, Fortune, the Financial Times, and especially Slate and The Atlantic — were witting or unwitting pawns in a scheme to sell the public on a transparently moronic hoax, i.e. that Donald Trump’s campaign was communicating mysterious digital treason to Russia’s Alfa Bank via a secret computer server.

The story sounded absurd from the start, and was instantly challenged by experts. Even outlets normally hostile to Donald Trump like the New York Times and the Washington Post correctly steered clear of it initially. However, plenty of other reporters fell for it and kept falling for it, including Stelter’s own CNN. We’ve known this story was false since at least December 9th, 2019, when Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz told us that “the FBI investigated whether there were cyber links between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, but had concluded by early February 2017 that there were no such links”:


Horowitz’s conclusion was particularly embarrassing for CNN, which cited “sources close to the investigation” in March of 2017 — well after the FBI had already decided there was nothing there, according to Horowitz — to report the “FBI investigation continues” into the “‘odd’ computer link.” Moreover, when the original main source for the Alfa story, a “computer expert” who went by the name “Tea Leaves,” refused CNN’s requests for an interview for that piece, the network explained in apparent seriousness that “fear has now silenced several of the computer scientists who first analyzed the data,” as if a combo squad of Russian spies and Trump goons might put bullets in their heads.

We find out from this indictment that those sources were terrified, all right, only not of Russians or Trump, but of being found out. In fact, the “academics” who were the sources for Franklin Foer’s original October 31, 2016 Slate article, “Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia?”, were so concerned a nonsense allegation of secret Trump-Russia communication wouldn’t pass a public smell test that one of them proposed faking the story to make them “appear to communicate,” literally using the word “faking” in an email.

They ended up not going that far, but the “research” they did produce was so weak that one of them complained that they couldn’t “technically make any claims that would fly public scrutiny,” even if reporters and others lived down to their expectations and proved “not smart enough to refute our ‘best case’ scenario.” The researcher’s email went on, in a line that summed up much of the Russiagate phenomenon:

The only thing that drives us at this point is that we just do not like [Trump]… Folks, I am afraid we have tunnel vision. Time to regroup?

The intrepid reporting heroes who bought this manure-sack from these people were the ones to whom Rachel Maddow said, with a straight face, “We are blessed to have journalists as talented as you… writing about this.”

Twitter avatar for @aaronjmate
Aaron Maté
@aaronjmate
"We are blessed as a country to have journalists as talented as you and Franklin Foer writing about this."
 
-@maddow in 2018 to Dexter Filkins on his and Foer's stories about secret Trump-Russian bank contacts -- a DNC-funded scam that is now subject to a federal indictment.
Image
September 17th 2021

219 Retweets753 Likes
The indictment makes a conspicuous point of elucidating a long list of characters in and around the Clinton campaign who were privy to Sussmann’s Trump-Alfa project. In one passage, Durham explains who’s on an email chain about the subject dated September 15, 2016, after Sussmann had given the story to the New York Times and four days before Sussmann would deliver it to the General Counsel of the FBI:

On or about September 15 , 2016, Campaign Lawyer-1 exchanged emails with the Clinton Campaign’s campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor concerning the Russian Bank-1 allegations that SUSSMANN had recently shared with Reporter-1.

Campaign Lawyer-1 is Marc Elias, the General Counsel for the Hillary Clinton campaign. Durham also lists former Clinton campaign manager and current Harvard fellow and House Majority PAC president Robby Mook, former Clinton communications director and current Showtime The Circus co-host Jennifer Palmieri, and former Clinton foreign policy advisor and current National Security Advisor to Joe Biden Jake Sullivan.

The indictment also mentions extensive email correspondence with Fusion-GPS, which eventually provided “another white paper… concerning purported ties between Russian Bank-1’s parent company and the Russian government.” This became part of the package Sussmann delivered to the FBI General Counsel on September 19th, in a hard copy that “contained no date or author’s name.” Sussmann allegedly didn’t mention the Clinton campaign, the Tech Executive, the academics, or Fusion-GPS, and told the FBI he was coming in as a “good citizen and not as an advocate for any client.”

There’s nothing in the indictment to say that any of these people were read in on the most damning communications with the Trump-Alfa sources, in which they talked about things like the story not passing “public scrutiny” or being a “red herring” that might best be “ignored.” There’s no proof, in other words, that someone like Jake Sullivan knew Sussmann was about to knowingly deliver a false story to the FBI.

However, it is a reasonable inference that the Clinton campaign knew the FBI was not going to be told they were Sussmann’s client. If the campaign’s general counsel Elias was looped in to all of Sussmann’s activities, and all of these aforementioned people knew Sussmann had both gone to the press and to the FBI with this story, I defy any of them to provide an innocent explanation for their failure to disclose that the Clinton campaign was the source of the story once it was made public.

These people didn’t just keep quiet about that fact, but actively lied to the public about it. The deception went all the way up to Hillary Clinton herself, who tweeted about the original report from Foer in Slate. Hillary’s tweet, which is still up — this should tell people a lot — contains a lengthy statement from Sullivan:

Twitter avatar for @HillaryClinton
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.
Image
November 1st 2016

11,885 Retweets15,583 Likes
It’s been suggested that the case against Sussmann is weak because his alleged crime was lying to the FBI, when the FBI knew full well he was working for the Clinton campaign. This doesn’t exculpate Sussmann, it inculpates the FBI, for doing what it did throughout the Russiagate scandal: participating in the fiction that sources like Sussmann or Christopher Steele were financed by someone other than the Clinton campaign. In the Steele case, remember, the FBI went so far as to conceal the Clinton campaign’s role from the FISA court on at least three occasions (see page 260 of the Horowitz report), and director James Comey went so far as to publicly insist Steele’s report was “first funded by the Republicans,” among many other examples.

Russiagate was a daisy-chain of deceptions. The Clinton campaign systematically planted phony stories about things like the Trump-Alfa business, the pee tape/blackmail tale, and Carter Page’s supposed role as a Trump-Russia conduit; the FBI went along with the fiction that inquiries launched on these matters did not originate as paid research from the Clinton campaign; and a parade of news media figures were culpable either as dupes or witting participants in these frauds, which in the case of the Alfa stunt was executed in a “hurry” to affect a presidential election.

The only thing preventing all of this from being thought of as a scaled-up version of Watergate is the continued refusal of institutional America to own up to the comparison. Dick Nixon’s low-rent escapades like the “Canuck letter,” distributing fliers offering free “balloons for the kiddies” on behalf of Hubert Humphrey in black neighborhoods, or sending masses of pizzas to Ed Muskie’s hotel, all paled in comparison to the massive, ongoing campaign of fake news stories — political sabotage — planted by Clinton campaign figures in 2016 and beyond. The fact that the accompanying program of illegal surveillance was effected by lying to obtain FISA authority instead of a “third-rate burglary” and a bug doesn’t improve the situation. If the target had been anyone but Donald Trump, no one would bother even trying to deny how corrupt all this was, and continues to be.

I'm actually really surprised that Durham is making progress and starting to hold some people accountable.  I'd like to see more, but this almost sounds like racketeering. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 27, 2021, 11:30:36 AM
Biden Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Tied to Alleged 2016 Clinton Scheme to Co-Opt the CIA and FBI to Tar Trump
The ties between Joe Biden and Jake Sullivan, the White House Security Adviser now indicted by John Durham’s grand jury.
By Paul Sperry
September 26, 2021
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/26/biden-security-adviser-jake-sullivan-tied-to-alleged-2016-clinton-scheme-to-co-opt-the-cia-and-fbi-to-tar-trump/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 27, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
47 pages of "nope, didn't happen".
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2021, 11:21:14 PM
Great discussion that unpacks some of this conspiracy theory.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/kashs-corner-more-indictments-are-coming-unraveling-the-origins-of-the-russia-collusion-hoax_4015931.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on September 30, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
Durham targets Clinton campaign law firm in fresh round of subpoenas
Documents come after Durham charged Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to FBI
By Michael Lee | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/durham-targets-clinton-campaign-law-firm-in-fresh-round-of-subpoenas
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2021, 11:06:01 AM
Trump: Revoke Pulitzers For ‘False Reporting’ On Russia Hoax
By  Joseph Curl
Oct 4, 2021   DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-revoke-pulitzers-for-false-reporting-on-russia-hoax
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 04, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Trump: Revoke Pulitzers For ‘False Reporting’ On Russia Hoax
By  Joseph Curl
Oct 4, 2021   DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-revoke-pulitzers-for-false-reporting-on-russia-hoax
They should but they won't.  The whole media knew it was a hoax all along.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2021, 11:56:50 AM
They should but they won't.  The whole media knew it was a hoax all along.

And they didn't care.  There was a lot of "ends justifies the means" conduct during Trump's administration. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
Kash Patel to Newsmax: Durham's Subpoenas Show He's Following the Money
By Sandy Fitzgerald    |   Monday, 04 October 2021

Special counsel John Durham's latest round of subpoenas in the ongoing investigation into the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election show powerful moves because of his calls for bank records, as the "best way to prove criminal corruption is to follow the money," former prosecutor and chief of staff for the Department of Defense Kash Patel said on Newsmax Monday.

"The moves he's taking as you highlighted with subpoenaing of bank records are powerful," Patel said on Newsmax's "Wake Up America." "They speak for themselves and are more powerful than any testimony ... in this case, the Democratic lawyers and the Hillary Clinton campaign lawyers led the money right to Durham."

The new round of subpoenas come after Durham charged Hillary Clinton's former campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann in an indictment alleging he lied to federal investigators in September 2016, when he gave them data that he claimed showed a connection between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank in Russia.

The new subpoenas follow Durham's charging former Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to federal investigators at a meeting in September 2016, in which he gave FBI agents data that he claimed showed a link between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank in Russia.

In his subpoenas, Durham is seeking documents from Sussman's former law firm, Perkins Coie, the firm represented both the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's presidential campaign. The law firm was also the one that hired the research company that paid former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele, who wrote the discredited dossier about then-candidate Donald Trump.

Patel said Monday that while there are many people becoming frustrated at the length of the Durham investigation, two years "is not a long time" for such a probe, and two indictments have already been made.

"He's looking at a large-scale conspiracy case," said Patel. "Let's take the Michael Sussman indictment, for example. Lying to the FBI is a case that's brought frequently and it's usually a two-to-three-page indictment. John Durham issued a 27-page indictment, It's what we call a speaking indictment, and I, as a federal prosecutor, did the same when I wanted to educate the American public on the ongoings of my current investigation."

Patel noted that the indictment highlighted the actions of eight individuals, and now Durham is seeking bank records.

"When I was running the 'Russiagate' investigation for Chairman [Devin] Nunes, I took the deposition, I questioned Michael Sussman, the same deposition that was cited by John Durham in his indictment," said Patel. "I think Jake Sullivan, the current national security advisor, who had been deposed as well, is in a similar situation about lying, either to the FBI or to the American public."

The best way to prove that, though, is through bank records, and in this case, Durham is saying that the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign "paid Michael Sussman to start this fraudulent investigation, and then [he] lied to the FBI," said Patel.

The Sussman indictment also came because the investigation would have been going after its "easiest target," said Patel, and he thinks the attorney will cooperate.

"I don't think Michael Sussman wants to spend a single day in prison, so it's likely that he will cooperate with the John Durham investigation like others are, and help him make a larger scale conspiracy case," said Patel.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/kash-patel-john-durham-russia-investigation-fbi/2021/10/04/id/1038995/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on October 04, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
LOL - I love how THE TRAITOR is trying to rebrand THE BIG LIE

The BIG LIE is and always will be THE TRAITORS LIE that the election was stolen

Every recount and audit just further proves that THE TRAITOR IS THE LIAR

THE TRAITOR is also the only person who tried to steal the 2020 election

Hopefully someday he'll actually pay the price for his TREASON
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 04, 2021, 12:44:00 PM
Dos Equis completely dominating this thread
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 04, 2021, 12:52:51 PM
Best mean mug ever.  lol

Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI
Michael Sussmann, who worked as an attorney for the Hillary Clinton campaign, is accused of a single felony count in a grand jury indictment.
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/953e17e/2147483647/resize/1920x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F04%2F0b%2F599d5af143ecad05429ee20e60df%2F09162021-durham-ap-773.jpg)
Special Prosecutor John Durham has charged Washington lawyer Michael Sussmann with lying to the FBI. | (U.S. Department of Justice via AP)
By JOSH GERSTEIN and KYLE CHENEY
Updated: 09/16/2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/16/special-prosecutor-john-durham-charges-ex-attorney-for-clinton-campaign-with-lying-to-fbi-512316

The guy has no mouth so how could he 'tell' a lie?  ;D
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2021, 01:26:48 PM
The guy has no mouth so how could he 'tell' a lie?  ;D

That's the prosecutor Durham, not the defendant Sussman. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 08, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
Durham Probes Pentagon Computer Contractors in Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Above, 'Tech Executive-1' alludes to leaving his job last month amid John Durham's Russia probe.
By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
October 7, 2021
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/10/07/durham_probes_pentagon_computer_contractors_in_anti-trump_conspiracy_797790.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 08, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
That's the prosecutor Durham, not the defendant Sussman.

Thanks for the correction. Then it is hard to tell whether Durham lies or not. I was commenting on the fact that the guy in the photo's mouth is completely hidden.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 08, 2021, 01:46:12 PM
Thanks for the correction. Then it is hard to tell whether Durham lies or not. I was commenting on the fact that the guy in the photo's mouth is completely hidden.


What matters is that his eyes are open.


I'm sure you and straw want him to get to the bottom of this.  8)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: IRON CROSS on October 08, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
Thanks for the correction. Then it is hard to tell whether Durham lies or not. I was commenting on the fact that the guy in the photo's mouth is completely hidden.

Just like yours when you a slurping & swallowing ...............
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Primemuscle on October 08, 2021, 04:02:58 PM

What matters is that his eyes are open.


I'm sure you and straw want him to get to the bottom of this.  8)

Don't be sure....because you are wrong. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Dos Equis on October 08, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
Don't be sure....because you are wrong.

You should care about arguably the most scandalous abuse of political power in American history.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 12, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
Ratcliffe says 1,000 intel documents given to Durham support more charges
by Daniel Chaitin, Deputy News Editor
Updated Oct 11, 2021
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-ratcliffe-intelligence-documents-john-durham-charges
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on October 19, 2021, 09:53:57 PM
The full story at substack goes into more interesting details, worth a read.

Indicted Clinton lawyer hired CrowdStrike, firm behind dubious Russian hacking claim

The indictment of Hillary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann for allegedly lying to the FBI sheds new light on the pivotal role of Democratic operatives in the Russiagate affair. The emerging picture shows Sussmann and his Perkins Coie colleague Marc Elias, the chief counsel for Clinton's 2016 campaign, proceeding on parallel, coordinated tracks to solicit and spread disinformation tying Donald Trump to the Kremlin.

In a detailed charging document last month, Special Counsel John Durham accused Sussmann of concealing his work for the Clinton campaign while trying to sell the FBI on the false claim of a secret Trump backchannel to Russia’s Alfa Bank.

But Sussmann's alleged false statement to the FBI in September 2016 wasn't all. Just months before, he helped generate an even more consequential Russia allegation that he also brought to the FBI. In April of that year, Sussmann hired CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm that publicly triggered the Russiagate saga by lodging the still unproven claim that Russia was behind the hack of Democratic National Committee emails released by WikiLeaks.

At the time, CrowdStrike was not the only Clinton campaign contractor focusing on Russia. Just days before Sussmann hired CrowdStrike in April, his partner Elias retained the opposition research firm Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump and the Kremlin.

These two Clinton campaign contractors, working directly for two Clinton campaign attorneys, would go on to play highly consequential roles in the ensuing multi-year Russia investigation.

Working secretly for the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS planted Trump-Russia conspiracy theories in the FBI and US media via its subcontractor, former British spy Christopher Steele. The FBI used the Fusion GPS's now debunked "Steele dossier" for investigative leads and multiple surveillance applications putatively targeting Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page.

CrowdStrike, reporting to Sussmann, also proved critical to the FBI's work. Rather than examine the DNC servers for itself, the FBI relied on CrowdStrike's forensics as mediated by Sussmann.

The FBI's odd relationship with the two Democratic Party contractors gave Sussmann and Elias unprecedented influence over a high-stakes national security scandal that upended U.S. politics and ensnared their political opponents. By hiring CrowdStrike and Fusion GPS, the Perkins Coie lawyers helped define the Trump-Russia narrative and impact the flow of information to the highest reaches of U.S. intelligence agencies.

The established Trump-Russia timeline and the public record, including overlooked sworn testimony, congressional and Justice Department reports, as well as news accounts from the principal recipients of government leaks in the affair, the Washington Post and the New York Times, help to fill in the picture.

https://mate.substack.com/p/indicted-clinton-lawyer-hired-crowdstrike
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 20, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
The full story at substack goes into more interesting details, worth a read.

Indicted Clinton lawyer hired CrowdStrike, firm behind dubious Russian hacking claim

The indictment of Hillary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann for allegedly lying to the FBI sheds new light on the pivotal role of Democratic operatives in the Russiagate affair. The emerging picture shows Sussmann and his Perkins Coie colleague Marc Elias, the chief counsel for Clinton's 2016 campaign, proceeding on parallel, coordinated tracks to solicit and spread disinformation tying Donald Trump to the Kremlin.

In a detailed charging document last month, Special Counsel John Durham accused Sussmann of concealing his work for the Clinton campaign while trying to sell the FBI on the false claim of a secret Trump backchannel to Russia’s Alfa Bank.

But Sussmann's alleged false statement to the FBI in September 2016 wasn't all. Just months before, he helped generate an even more consequential Russia allegation that he also brought to the FBI. In April of that year, Sussmann hired CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm that publicly triggered the Russiagate saga by lodging the still unproven claim that Russia was behind the hack of Democratic National Committee emails released by WikiLeaks.

At the time, CrowdStrike was not the only Clinton campaign contractor focusing on Russia. Just days before Sussmann hired CrowdStrike in April, his partner Elias retained the opposition research firm Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump and the Kremlin.

These two Clinton campaign contractors, working directly for two Clinton campaign attorneys, would go on to play highly consequential roles in the ensuing multi-year Russia investigation.

Working secretly for the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS planted Trump-Russia conspiracy theories in the FBI and US media via its subcontractor, former British spy Christopher Steele. The FBI used the Fusion GPS's now debunked "Steele dossier" for investigative leads and multiple surveillance applications putatively targeting Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page.

CrowdStrike, reporting to Sussmann, also proved critical to the FBI's work. Rather than examine the DNC servers for itself, the FBI relied on CrowdStrike's forensics as mediated by Sussmann.

The FBI's odd relationship with the two Democratic Party contractors gave Sussmann and Elias unprecedented influence over a high-stakes national security scandal that upended U.S. politics and ensnared their political opponents. By hiring CrowdStrike and Fusion GPS, the Perkins Coie lawyers helped define the Trump-Russia narrative and impact the flow of information to the highest reaches of U.S. intelligence agencies.

The established Trump-Russia timeline and the public record, including overlooked sworn testimony, congressional and Justice Department reports, as well as news accounts from the principal recipients of government leaks in the affair, the Washington Post and the New York Times, help to fill in the picture.

https://mate.substack.com/p/indicted-clinton-lawyer-hired-crowdstrike

Great info and yes the full article is pretty revealing.  Thanks for posting. 

Dan Bongino was on this trail a while ago, saying it was possible the DNC wasn't actually hacked.  But now we know the claim that it was hacked by "Russia" is unsupported by evidence. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2021, 06:03:18 PM
Long but very informative read.

Clinton Campaign Spread Alfa Bank Ruse Throughout Obama Admin to Press Trump-Russia Probe
By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
October 28, 2021AP Photo/John Bazemore
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/10/28/clinton_campaign_spread_bogus_alfa_bank_story_obama_admin-wide_to_press_trump-russia_probe_800927.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/authorities-arrest-steele-dossier-contributor-igor-danchenko/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=com.duckduckgo.mobile.ios.OpenAction2
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Igor Danchenko Arrested as Part of Durham Investigation
November 4, 2021

The office of Special Counsel John Durham has confirmed that Igor Danchenko, a key source for British ex-spy Christopher Steele, has been arrested. This is the third arrest by Durham who is moving toward the prosecution stage of his investigation into the origins of the Russian collusion scandal. Durham is variously described as either painfully methodical or positively glacial as a prosecutor.  But he is widely credited with being a dogged and absolutely apolitical prosecutor. Danchenko’s arrest is a seismic development and confirmed Durham is far from done with his investigation.

Washington was recently rocked by the indictment of Michael Sussman, former counsel for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, for his alleged role in spreading a false Russia conspiracy theory.

Now Danchenko is being charged with five counts of making false statements.

Danchenko is widely referenced as the sub-source for former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele for his controversial dossier. That dossier, funded by the Clinton campaign, served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Danchenko told the FBI that the dossier was “unsubstantiated” and said that Steele asked him to look for any “compromising” information on Trump. Mr. Danchenko worked for the Brookings Institution, a liberal Washington think-tank that often produced reports critical of Trump.

Danchenko is not someone who immediately comes across as an apex defendant — the highest target in an investigation. He was a key source used by others to advance false or unsubstantiated claims against Trump. He is the type of defendant that prosecutors pressure to flip against those who retained him or used him in this effort. In other words, he strikes me as someone who can be used as a building block to apex defendants.

Potential apex targets above him in the investigation range from Steele himself to Clinton general counsel Marc Elias to Clinton campaign officials.

The indictment circles around an unnamed figure called PR-Executive-1 who was a close Clinton adviser who held high positions in the Democratic party and prior Clinton campaigns. Most embarrassing are references to the Clinton adviser meeting with possible Russian intelligence figures and other Russian sources, including this line:

PR Executive-1 gifted to Russian Sub-Source-1 an autobiography of Hillary Clinton, which he signed and inscribed with the handwritten message, “To my good friend [first name of Russian Sub-Source-1], A Great Democrat.”

That is one book I think Hillary Clinton would like back.

The indictment describes the individual in this way:

“PR Executive-1 had served as (1) chairman of a national Democratic political organization, (2) state chairman of former President Clinton’s 1992 and 1996 presidential campaigns, and (3) an advisor to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 Presidential campaign. Moreover, beginning in or about 1997, President Clinton appointed PR Executive-! to two four-year terms on an advisory commission at the U.S. State Department. With respect to the 2016 Clinton Campaign, PR Executive-! actively campaigned and participated in calls and events as a volunteer on behalf of Hillary Clinton.”

There is no indication if Durham has possible evidence of criminal acts by those figures but there is every indication that he is not done by a long shot with this investigation.

Here is the indictment: Danchenko indictment

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/fb956512-980f-4f13-8b8f-c26eebb76772/note/5de565a8-06b8-40e8-8572-23d9765d81d2.#page=1

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/04/igor-danchenko-arrested-as-part-of-durham-investigation/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on November 04, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
Igor Danchenko Arrested as Part of Durham Investigation
November 4, 2021

The office of Special Counsel John Durham has confirmed that Igor Danchenko, a key source for British ex-spy Christopher Steele, has been arrested. This is the third arrest by Durham who is moving toward the prosecution stage of his investigation into the origins of the Russian collusion scandal. Durham is variously described as either painfully methodical or positively glacial as a prosecutor.  But he is widely credited with being a dogged and absolutely apolitical prosecutor. Danchenko’s arrest is a seismic development and confirmed Durham is far from done with his investigation.

Washington was recently rocked by the indictment of Michael Sussman, former counsel for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, for his alleged role in spreading a false Russia conspiracy theory.


Now Danchenko is being charged with five counts of making false statements.

Danchenko is widely referenced as the sub-source for former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele for his controversial dossier. That dossier, funded by the Clinton campaign, served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Danchenko told the FBI that the dossier was “unsubstantiated” and said that Steele asked him to look for any “compromising” information on Trump. Mr. Danchenko worked for the Brookings Institution, a liberal Washington think-tank that often produced reports critical of Trump.

Danchenko is not someone who immediately comes across as an apex defendant — the highest target in an investigation. He was a key source used by others to advance false or unsubstantiated claims against Trump. He is the type of defendant that prosecutors pressure to flip against those who retained him or used him in this effort. In other words, he strikes me as someone who can be used as a building block to apex defendants.

Potential apex targets above him in the investigation range from Steele himself to Clinton general counsel Marc Elias to Clinton campaign officials.

The indictment circles around an unnamed figure called PR-Executive-1 who was a close Clinton adviser who held high positions in the Democratic party and prior Clinton campaigns. Most embarrassing are references to the Clinton adviser meeting with possible Russian intelligence figures and other Russian sources, including this line:

PR Executive-1 gifted to Russian Sub-Source-1 an autobiography of Hillary Clinton, which he signed and inscribed with the handwritten message, “To my good friend [first name of Russian Sub-Source-1], A Great Democrat.”

That is one book I think Hillary Clinton would like back.

The indictment describes the individual in this way:

“PR Executive-1 had served as (1) chairman of a national Democratic political organization, (2) state chairman of former President Clinton’s 1992 and 1996 presidential campaigns, and (3) an advisor to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 Presidential campaign. Moreover, beginning in or about 1997, President Clinton appointed PR Executive-! to two four-year terms on an advisory commission at the U.S. State Department. With respect to the 2016 Clinton Campaign, PR Executive-! actively campaigned and participated in calls and events as a volunteer on behalf of Hillary Clinton.”

There is no indication if Durham has possible evidence of criminal acts by those figures but there is every indication that he is not done by a long shot with this investigation.

Here is the indictment: Danchenko indictment

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/fb956512-980f-4f13-8b8f-c26eebb76772/note/5de565a8-06b8-40e8-8572-23d9765d81d2.#page=1

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/04/igor-danchenko-arrested-as-part-of-durham-investigation/


Since when do Trumptards think lying to the FBI is a crime

Isn't that what this guy did (and pled guilty to as well) and then got a pardon from THE TRAITOR

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2021, 05:01:54 PM
Good summary and analysis. 

The Igor Danchenko Indictment
It was all a fraud.
Techno Fog
https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-igor-danchenko-indictment
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on November 04, 2021, 05:05:15 PM
This definitely looks like a win for Trump supporters. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
This definitely looks like a win for Trump supporters. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

This has absolutely nothing to do with "Trump supporters."  It's about holding people accountable for the biggest political scandal of my lifetime and for breaking the law. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on November 04, 2021, 06:14:33 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with "Trump supporters." It's about holding people accountable for the biggest political scandal of my lifetime and for breaking the law.
.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 05, 2021, 04:47:58 AM
Trump-Trump-Trump--He owns my mind--Trump-Trump-Trump--I will not recover--Trump-Trump-Trump--I hate my life--Trump-Trump-Trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 05, 2021, 09:08:22 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/05/blue-state-blues-john-durham-found-the-first-evidence-of-russia-collusion-and-hillarys-team-did-it/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2021, 06:02:32 PM
He has seen the intel so he would know. 

Ratcliffe expects 'many' more Durham indictments focused on Clinton-Russia 'collusion' dossier
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter |   | November 07, 2021
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/ratcliffe-expects-many-more-durham-indictments-focused-on-clinton-russia-collusion-dossier
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
Analysis: The Biggest Loser of the Durham Indictments May Be James Comey’s FBI
by Star News Staff | Nov 8, 2021
https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2021/11/08/the-biggest-loser-of-the-durham-indictments-james-comeys-fbi/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 09, 2021, 12:41:42 PM
BREAKING: Biden's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan revealed to be 'foreign policy advisor' named in Sussman indictment
Sullivan is apparently the "foreign policy advisor" in the indictment of Michael Sussman, a former attorney for the Clinton campaign.
Libby Emmons
Brooklyn, NY
November 9, 2021
https://thepostmillennial.com/bidens-jake-sullivan-foreign-policy-advisor-sussman?utm_campaign=64487
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on November 09, 2021, 04:59:00 PM
Trump-Trump-Trump--He owns my mind--Trump-Trump-Trump--I will not recover--Trump-Trump-Trump--I hate my life--Trump-Trump-Trump

I agree

Trump owns your mind (and it doesn't take much to own it)

Isn't this thread about Trump ?

Why don't  you take up your issue with the person who started this thread

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 10, 2021, 02:44:43 AM
I agree

Trump owns your mind (and it doesn't take much to own it)

Isn't this thread about Trump ?

Why don't  you take up your issue with the person who started this thread
Trump-Trump-Trump-every thread I comment on is-Trump-Trump-Trump-regardless of subject-Trump-Trump-Trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 11, 2021, 04:24:14 AM
https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/trump-russia-probe-was-fbi-manipulated-by-the-democratic-party

 >:(
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2021, 06:08:14 PM
A little late.

Washington Post corrects its Steele dossier reporting going back more than four years
JOHN SEXTON
Nov 12, 2021
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/12/washington-post-corrects-its-steele-dossier-reporting-going-back-more-than-four-years-n428906
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on November 12, 2021, 06:12:13 PM
Trump-Trump-Trump-every thread I comment on is-Trump-Trump-Trump-regardless of subject-Trump-Trump-Trump

Who? Never heard of this person.  :)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 17, 2021, 07:32:35 PM
Adam Schiff, Steele dossier and the death of shame in American politics
Schiff's 'Meet the Press' interview may be final proof of the death of shame in American politics
By Jonathan Turley | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/adam-schiff-steele-dossier-death-shame-jonathan-turley
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2021, 06:16:30 PM
Washington Post has corrected over a dozen articles related to Steele dossier coverage
Lengthy editor’s note that has become quite common among the paper's archives
By Brian Flood | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-corrections-steele-dossier
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 19, 2021, 02:24:21 AM
When do we get the apology from the libtards on Getbig who believed the lies?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on November 20, 2021, 10:37:28 AM
Someone let me know when Faux News "corrects" the hundreds of INTENTIONAL LIES that they've broadcast over the years

BTW - Since when do Republicans care about LIES

THE TRAITOR and many Republican LIED and CONTINUES TO LIE about the 2020 election and no cares and that is a LOT MORE DAMAGING to our country than a dossier of raw intelligence data that was never even used by the candidate

That is the ORIGINAL and ONLY BIG LIE




Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 20, 2021, 11:21:41 AM
Someone let me know when Faux News "corrects" the hundreds of INTENTIONAL LIES that they've broadcast over the years

BTW - Since when do Republicans care about LIES

THE TRAITOR and many Republican LIED and CONTINUES TO LIE about the 2020 election and no cares and that is a LOT MORE DAMAGING to our country than a dossier of raw intelligence data that was never even used by the candidate

That is the ORIGINAL and ONLY BIG LIE

Hack

https://www.dailywire.com/news/wapo-issues-major-corrections-to-reports-on-steele-dossier
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 20, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Someone let me know when Faux News "corrects" the hundreds of INTENTIONAL LIES that they've broadcast over the years

BTW - Since when do Republicans care about LIES

THE TRAITOR and many Republican LIED and CONTINUES TO LIE about the 2020 election and no cares and that is a LOT MORE DAMAGING to our country than a dossier of raw intelligence data that was never even used by the candidate

That is the ORIGINAL and ONLY BIG LIE
Trump-Trump-Trump-He owns my mind-Trump-Trump-Trump-All the time-Trump-Trump-Trump
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on December 08, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
John Durham says evidence shows Michael Sussmann lied when pushing Trump-Russia claims
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter |   | December 08, 2021
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/john-durham-says-evidence-shows-michael-sussmann-lied-when-pushing-trump-russia-claims
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: jude2 on December 08, 2021, 05:03:14 PM
Of course he lied.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on December 18, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Swamp.


DC Bar Restores Convicted FBI Russiagate Forger to ‘Good Standing’ Amid Irregularities and Leniency

A former senior FBI lawyer who falsified a surveillance document in the Trump-Russia investigation has been restored as a member in "good standing" by the District of Columbia Bar Association even though he has yet to finish serving out his probation as a convicted felon, according to disciplinary records obtained by RealClearInvestigations.

The move is the latest in a series of exceptions the bar has made for Kevin Clinesmith, who pleaded guilty in August 2020 to doctoring an email used to justify a surveillance warrant targeting former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation last January. But the D.C. Bar did not seek his disbarment, as is customary after lawyers are convicted of serious crimes involving the administration of justice. In this case, it did not even initiate disciplinary proceedings against him until February of this year — five months after he pleaded guilty and four days after RealClearInvestigations first reported he had not been disciplined. After the negative publicity, the bar temporarily suspended Clinesmith pending a review and hearing. Then in September, the court that oversees the bar and imposes sanctions agreed with its recommendation to let Clinesmith off suspension with time served; the bar, in turn, restored his status to "active member" in "good standing."

Before quietly making that decision, however, records indicate the bar did not check with his probation officer to see if he had violated the terms of his sentence or if he had completed the community service requirement of volunteering 400 hours.

To fulfill the terms of his probation, Clinesmith volunteered at Street Sense Media in Washington but stopped working at the nonprofit group last summer, which has not been previously reported.
"I can confirm he was a volunteer here," Street Sense editorial director Eric Falquero told RCI, without elaborating about how many hours he worked. Clinesmith had helped edit and research articles for the weekly newspaper, which coaches the homeless on how to "sleep on the streets" and calls for a "universal living wage" and prison reform.

From the records, it also appears bar officials did not consult with the FBI's Inspection Division, which has been debriefing Clinesmith to determine if he was involved in any other surveillance abuses tied to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants, in addition to the one used against Page. Clinesmith's cooperation was one of the conditions of the plea deal he struck with Special Counsel John Durham. If he fails to fully cooperate, including turning over any relevant materials or records in his possession, he could be subject to perjury or obstruction charges.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/16/dc_bar_lets_convicted_fbi_russiagate_lawyer_back_in_good_standing_as_court_cuts_him_more_slack_807964.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Who didn’t see that coming.



Swamp.


DC Bar Restores Convicted FBI Russiagate Forger to ‘Good Standing’ Amid Irregularities and Leniency

A former senior FBI lawyer who falsified a surveillance document in the Trump-Russia investigation has been restored as a member in "good standing" by the District of Columbia Bar Association even though he has yet to finish serving out his probation as a convicted felon, according to disciplinary records obtained by RealClearInvestigations.

The move is the latest in a series of exceptions the bar has made for Kevin Clinesmith, who pleaded guilty in August 2020 to doctoring an email used to justify a surveillance warrant targeting former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation last January. But the D.C. Bar did not seek his disbarment, as is customary after lawyers are convicted of serious crimes involving the administration of justice. In this case, it did not even initiate disciplinary proceedings against him until February of this year — five months after he pleaded guilty and four days after RealClearInvestigations first reported he had not been disciplined. After the negative publicity, the bar temporarily suspended Clinesmith pending a review and hearing. Then in September, the court that oversees the bar and imposes sanctions agreed with its recommendation to let Clinesmith off suspension with time served; the bar, in turn, restored his status to "active member" in "good standing."

Before quietly making that decision, however, records indicate the bar did not check with his probation officer to see if he had violated the terms of his sentence or if he had completed the community service requirement of volunteering 400 hours.

To fulfill the terms of his probation, Clinesmith volunteered at Street Sense Media in Washington but stopped working at the nonprofit group last summer, which has not been previously reported.
"I can confirm he was a volunteer here," Street Sense editorial director Eric Falquero told RCI, without elaborating about how many hours he worked. Clinesmith had helped edit and research articles for the weekly newspaper, which coaches the homeless on how to "sleep on the streets" and calls for a "universal living wage" and prison reform.

From the records, it also appears bar officials did not consult with the FBI's Inspection Division, which has been debriefing Clinesmith to determine if he was involved in any other surveillance abuses tied to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants, in addition to the one used against Page. Clinesmith's cooperation was one of the conditions of the plea deal he struck with Special Counsel John Durham. If he fails to fully cooperate, including turning over any relevant materials or records in his possession, he could be subject to perjury or obstruction charges.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/16/dc_bar_lets_convicted_fbi_russiagate_lawyer_back_in_good_standing_as_court_cuts_him_more_slack_807964.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on December 23, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
It's official: Durham is investigating the Clinton Campaign.
Enter the Clinton Campaign Lawyers
Techno Fog
Dec 20, 2021
https://technofog.substack.com/p/its-official-durham-is-investigating
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: jude2 on December 23, 2021, 05:16:59 PM
It's official: Durham is investigating the Clinton Campaign.
Enter the Clinton Campaign Lawyers
Techno Fog
Dec 20, 2021
https://technofog.substack.com/p/its-official-durham-is-investigating
It is about damn time.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
HUGE: Durham Investigation of Obamagate Expands
BY MATT MARGOLIS FEB 02, 2022
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/02/02/huge-durham-investigation-of-obamagate-expands-n1555338
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on February 12, 2022, 06:00:35 PM
Durham is treading dangerous waters...

Clinton campaign paid to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia: Durham

Lawyers for the Clinton campaign paid a technology company to "infiltrate" servers belonging to Trump Tower, and later the White House, in order to establish an "inference" and "narrative" to bring to government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia, a filing from Special Counsel John Durham says.

Durham filed a motion on Feb. 11 focused on potential conflicts of interest related to the representation of former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman, who has been charged with making a false statement to a federal agent. Sussman has pleaded not guilty.

The indictment against Sussman says he told then-FBI General Counsel James Baker in September 2016, less than two months before the 2016 presidential election, that he was not doing work "for any client" when he requested and held a meeting in which he presented "purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel" between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which has ties to the Kremlin.

But Durham's filing on Feb. 11, in a section titled "Factual Background," reveals that Sussman "had assembled and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including a technology executive (Tech Executive 1) at a U.S.-based internet company (Internet Company 1) and the Clinton campaign."

Durham’s filing said Sussman’s "billing records reflect" that he "repeatedly billed the Clinton Campaign for his work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations."

The filing revealed that Sussman and the Tech Executive had met and communicated with another law partner, who was serving as General Counsel to the Clinton campaign. Sources told Fox News that lawyer is Marc Elias, who worked at the law firm Perkins Coie.

Durham's filing states that in July 2016, the tech executive worked with Sussman, a U.S. investigative firm retained by Law Firm 1 on behalf of the Clinton campaign, numerous cyber researchers and employees at multiple internet companies to "assemble the purported data and white papers."

"In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data," the filing states. "Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract."

"Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia," Durham states. "In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton campaign."

Durham also writes that during Sussman's trial, the government will establish that among the Internet data Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain name system (DNS) internet traffic pertaining to "(i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States (EOP)."

Durham states that the internet company that Tech Executive-1 worked for "had come to access and maintain dedicated servers" for the Executive Office of the President as "part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP."

"Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump," Durham states.

The filing also reveals that Sussman provided "an updated set of allegations" including the Russian bank data, and additional allegations relating to Trump "to a second agency of the U.S. government" in 2017.

Durham says the allegations "relied, in part, on the purported DNS traffic" that Tech Executive-1 and others "had assembled pertaining to Trump Tower, Donald Trump's New York City apartment building, the EOP, and the aforementioned healthcare provider." 

In Sussman's meeting with the second U.S. government agency, Durham says he "provided data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious DNS lookups by these entities of internet protocol (IP) addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider," and claimed that the lookups "demonstrated Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations." "The Special Counsel's Office has identified no support for these allegations," Durham wrote, adding that the "lookups were far from rare in the United States."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-campaign-paid-infiltrate-trump-tower-white-house-servers
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2022, 06:07:02 PM
Durham is treading dangerous waters...

Clinton campaign paid to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia: Durham

Lawyers for the Clinton campaign paid a technology company to "infiltrate" servers belonging to Trump Tower, and later the White House, in order to establish an "inference" and "narrative" to bring to government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia, a filing from Special Counsel John Durham says.

Durham filed a motion on Feb. 11 focused on potential conflicts of interest related to the representation of former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman, who has been charged with making a false statement to a federal agent. Sussman has pleaded not guilty.

The indictment against Sussman says he told then-FBI General Counsel James Baker in September 2016, less than two months before the 2016 presidential election, that he was not doing work "for any client" when he requested and held a meeting in which he presented "purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel" between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which has ties to the Kremlin.

But Durham's filing on Feb. 11, in a section titled "Factual Background," reveals that Sussman "had assembled and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including a technology executive (Tech Executive 1) at a U.S.-based internet company (Internet Company 1) and the Clinton campaign."

Durham’s filing said Sussman’s "billing records reflect" that he "repeatedly billed the Clinton Campaign for his work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations."

The filing revealed that Sussman and the Tech Executive had met and communicated with another law partner, who was serving as General Counsel to the Clinton campaign. Sources told Fox News that lawyer is Marc Elias, who worked at the law firm Perkins Coie.

Durham's filing states that in July 2016, the tech executive worked with Sussman, a U.S. investigative firm retained by Law Firm 1 on behalf of the Clinton campaign, numerous cyber researchers and employees at multiple internet companies to "assemble the purported data and white papers."

"In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data," the filing states. "Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract."

"Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia," Durham states. "In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton campaign."

Durham also writes that during Sussman's trial, the government will establish that among the Internet data Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain name system (DNS) internet traffic pertaining to "(i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States (EOP)."

Durham states that the internet company that Tech Executive-1 worked for "had come to access and maintain dedicated servers" for the Executive Office of the President as "part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP."

"Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump," Durham states.

The filing also reveals that Sussman provided "an updated set of allegations" including the Russian bank data, and additional allegations relating to Trump "to a second agency of the U.S. government" in 2017.

Durham says the allegations "relied, in part, on the purported DNS traffic" that Tech Executive-1 and others "had assembled pertaining to Trump Tower, Donald Trump's New York City apartment building, the EOP, and the aforementioned healthcare provider." 

In Sussman's meeting with the second U.S. government agency, Durham says he "provided data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious DNS lookups by these entities of internet protocol (IP) addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider," and claimed that the lookups "demonstrated Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations." "The Special Counsel's Office has identified no support for these allegations," Durham wrote, adding that the "lookups were far from rare in the United States."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-campaign-paid-infiltrate-trump-tower-white-house-servers

A scandal of epic proportions and the media is predictably quiet. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Straw Man on February 15, 2022, 06:57:51 PM
A scandal of epic proportions and the media is predictably quiet.

That's because there is no scandal and Durham just revealed himself to be another Trumptard peddling in conspiracies

This joke of fishing expedition has been going on for 18 months now.  Only a few more months and they'll surpass the length of the entire Mueller probe (which right wing idiots called a "witch hunt")


Quote
Durham Accused Of Stoking Trumpy Conspiracy Theories In Blistering Counterattack By Target Of His Probe

Special counsel John Durham is using court filings to spread conspiracy theories about the 2016 election, attorneys for defendant Michael Sussmann said in a late Monday court filing.

Durham set off a furor in conservative media over the weekend after adding some more flavor to his now-familiar mélange of allegations waving toward a broad conspiracy involving the Clinton campaign. In a Friday night court filing, Durham said that a tech executive linked to Sussmann had “exploited” access to White House servers by “mining” them for data in a bid to gather “derogatory information about Donald Trump.

Via that access, Durham claimed, the executive was able to observe internet traffic from “(i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States.”

Conservative media and the Trump family seized upon the allegation to dust off a familiar refrain: that the Obama administration and/or the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign had “spied” on Trump during or after the election.

Durham did not specify in the filing under what administration the alleged “gathering” by the tech executive — identified by the New York Times and others as Rodney Joffe — took place. But the narrative seemed to tee up a conclusion that conservative outlets quickly leapt to: that the White House had been monitored during the Trump administration.

This led to an outpouring of rage on the right, which cast the filing as proof that Trump was right about the spying allegations all along.

Kash Patel, the former Devin Nunes operative, said that Durham had revealed a plan to “infiltrate” Trump Tower and the White House. Fox News used that quote to headline an article claiming that the filing demonstrated that the Clinton campaign masterminded the effort.

Per Sussmann’s and Joffe’s attorneys, that is not true.


“The Special Counsel is well aware that the data provided to Agency-2 pertained only to the period of time before Mr. Trump took office, when Barack Obama was President,” reads the filing from Sussmann. (Agency-2 is widely reported to be the CIA, to which Durham alleged Sussmann relayed Joffe’s findings.)

Joffe’s attorneys separately told the New York Times that Joffe only examined data from the Executive Office of the President while Obama was in office, and that it was part of an attempt to see whether there was malware on White House servers — a job for which he had been hired.

Sussmann’s attorneys added that Durham didn’t allege anything to do with the supposed spying scheme in the initial indictment, and questioned how it was relevant to the case.

“Sadly, the Special Counsel seems to be succeeding in his effort to instigate unfair and prejudicial media coverage of Mr. Sussmann’s case,” the filing reads. “Indeed, since the Motion was filed, numerous outlets published stories suggesting that the Special Counsel’s latest filing revealed a vast conspiracy involving Mr. Sussmann and the Clinton Campaign.”

Trump himself added to the elaborate universe created around the Durham filing, saying that it vindicated his grievances.

“The press refuses to even mention the major crime that took place,” Trump said in a Monday statement. “This in itself is a scandal, the fact that a story so big, so powerful and so important for the future of our nation is getting zero coverage from LameStream, is being talked about all over the world.”

Sussmann attorneys used that to make argue a point about how politicized Durham’s probe has become.

“Worse still, Mr. Trump seized upon the Special Counsel’s filing, stating that it ‘provides indisputable evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton Campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia,'” attorneys added.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/durham-accused-of-stoking-trumpy-conspiracy-theories-in-blistering-counterattack-by-target-of-his-probe
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 15, 2022, 08:20:20 PM
That's because there is no scandal and Durham just revealed himself to be another Trumptard peddling in conspiracies

This joke of fishing expedition has been going on for 18 months now.  Only a few more months and they'll surpass the length of the entire Mueller probe (which right wing idiots called a "witch hunt")


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/durham-accused-of-stoking-trumpy-conspiracy-theories-in-blistering-counterattack-by-target-of-his-probe

lol….dude’s been apolitical from day one. When the investigation wasn’t going fast enough he was a accused of being for the left, now that shits breaking loose he’s accused of being a “trumptard”…GOD you’re a fucking moron 😂😂😂
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 16, 2022, 04:44:10 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 16, 2022, 04:52:54 AM
What Is Durham Really Doing?
Substack ^ | February 16, 2022 | Emerald Robinson
Posted on 2/16/2022, 6:25:47 AM by Cboldt

Once again, we see the conservative pundit class go bananas over the new motion filings from the Durham investigation in the last few days. Suddenly, everybody at Fox News is "expecting more indictments" at any moment! (How did that turn out for Sean Hannity and Dan Bongino the last time?) Suddenly, everybody is supposed to be excited that Durham�s crack team finally figured out spying activities against Donald Trump that occurred in July 2016.

This is a mistake.

The first question you should be asking yourself is why it took the Justice Department almost 6 years to figure out those spying activities.

Let me use the proper analogy here. It's like going back to your old ex-boyfriend who never treated you well because he called you once over the holidays. You know that it's going to end badly before you even call him back � but you're lonely and you can't help yourself. It�s a troubled and abusive relationship - the one between FBI Special Counsel John Durham and American voters who want justice for the Russia Hoax. I don't want to see you get your feelings hurt.

Let me explain why you're probably being played again.

In March of 2019, Nora Dannehy returned to the U.S. Attorney's Office to serve as Durham's top aide. She left a year later in August. What happened? According to press reports at the time, Dannehy had to resign from the Justice Department "at least partly out of concern that the investigative team is being pressed for political reasons to produce a report before its work is done, colleagues said." In case you missed the point, the Hartford Courant added helpfully: "Colleagues said Dannehy is not a supporter of President Trump and has been concerned in recent weeks by what she believed was pressure from Barr, who appointed Durham, to produce results before the election. They said she has been considering resigning for weeks, conflicted by loyalty to Durham and concern about politics."

A U.S. Attorney resigning due to politics is like a Navy captain resigning due to water. It's an absurd excuse. (Dannehy has since confirmed her liberal credentials by being named General Counsel to Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont (D). It looks like Dannehy signed up for an investigation that would do nothing, and then resigned publicly when the American public demanded an update on her activities. Needless to say, there was no reason for Durham to name someone like Dannehy to help investigate the origins of the Russia Hoax when everybody knows that the Russia Hoax leads back directly to Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Remember that Durham and Dannehy and the rest of the Justice Department sat around and did nothing about the Russia Hoax through most of the Trump Administration - an inexcusable lapse that should never be forgotten. Their boss, Attorney General Bill Barr, played a heavy hand in the stolen 2020 election - and it was to ignore election fraud. Getting rid of President Trump has been the overriding goal of the FBI and the CIA and the DOJ since 2016 - and Durham is an employee of the DOJ. He's not Clint Eastwood and the Lone Ranger rolled up into one superhero.

The bottom line: hiring Nora Dannehy should make you wonder about John Durham.

Why should it suddenly be exciting to people to hear, one more time, that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) spied on Donald Trump's campaign? Didn�t we know this already? Haven't we known this for almost six years?

Ask yourself: why would it take Durham more than 3 years to file these indictments?

Why has Democrat super attorney Marc Elias not been indicted yet? Why was the Democrat snakepit law-firm Perkins Coie allowed enough time to sever itself from Marc Elias last year (on August 22) while Durham was going over their billing records before filing charges (on September 16) against Perkins Coie partner Michael Sussmann? Let me hazard a guess. It's probably because Elias is absolutely essential to Democrat efforts to stop election integrity laws in various swing states across America. In other words, he's too valuable to the Biden Administration to be indicted right now. Maybe after the midterms.

How about National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan - was his indictment lost in the mail too? Sullivan is up to his neck in the Russia Hoax, and he's easy to find over at the White House with those blank eyes and that terrible haircut. Why hasn�t the Biden Administration been deprived of his services yet? The answer is perfectly obvious: Sullivan and Elias are getting the kid glove treatment from the U.S. federal government.

Just look at the Kevin Clinesmith case. The sentence was a complete farce. Durham asked for a few months in prison (which is absurd) as punishment and got nothing but probation. How�s that for justice? Clinesmith pled guilty to a felony, but he's not even been disbarred in Washington DC.

That's what happens when you charge national security officials who conspire against the President with process crimes. This should tell you that Durham�s investigation is basically a sham. It took 3 years just to get to the lowest tier of conspirators. By the time Durham gets to the major players in the Russia Hoax, we will all be living through the second Hunter Biden Administration.

Durham and his team have the habit of filing indictments at the last possible moment - usually a day or two before the statute of limitations expires. What does that mean? It means that Durham is playing for time. That's why media reports that Durham is "about to release his report" always turn out to be false. That's why the charges that Durham brings against bad FBI lawyers are very narrow and involve light sentencing. He wants his investigation to run as long as possible. Why would he want to do that?

My own theory is simple: Durham exists so that the FBI can regain some credit with the American public ("hey, those Clinton people lied to us!") while directing the media narrative away from Obama. You already see this misdirection in the corporate media headlines this week: Hillary did it. Durham exists, in other words, as a kind of insurance policy against the ambitions of the Clintons. His real goal is keep his investigation afloat through 2024. That would explain his slow, slow, slow progress. If Hillary Clinton suddenly decides to run in a primary against Biden/Harris for the 2024 ticket, then Lady Macbeth and her old campaign staff (Sussmann, Elias, Sullivan and the rest of them) will find themselves in very hot water.

If you find it implausible that national security officials spend all their time interfering in domestic politics and rigging elections - all I can say is: what cave have you been hiding in for the last six years? Perhaps you should listen to Overstock's ex-CEO Patrick Byrne explain how he assisted the FBI in setting up Hillary Clinton to accept a $18 million bribe in 2016 - a bribe that Byrne claims was engineered by James Comey to help President Obama keep control of Hillary once she won the election. Apparently, the plan was for Hillary Clinton to be POTUS in 2016 and 2020 before Michelle Obama took over in 2024 - that's what Byrne was told "by four officials of three different flavors" from our three-letter agencies at the time.

It's an incredible story - and you simply have to watch Byrne explain "Operation Snow Globe" in detail (it starts at minute 24:30). It's probably the best explanation of what really goes on inside the Deep State that we can expect to hear from a participant. Even so, Byrne's story simply confirms what you already know in your gut about America in 2022. We don't just have fraudulent elections due to electronic voting machines - we have fraudulent elections because the entire system is rotten. The system understands that it has to pretend to clean itself up too - because the illusion of "the consent of the governed" is still required. That's why Durham is pretending that he will clean up the Russia Hoax mess - but are you dumb enough to believe it?

He's going too slowly and charging the perpetrators too lightly to be taken seriously. Durham isn't dispensing justice - it's more like the pantomime of justice. That much should be obvious to you - even if the rubes over at Fox News want to get you hooked on indictment dreams all over again.



________________________ __________

Sad but probably true. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2022, 07:59:00 PM
She really lacks creativity.  She knows her people are in a world of hurt right about now.

Hillary Clinton reacts to Durham filing, says Trump, Fox News 'desperately spinning up a fake scandal'
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-reacts-to-durham-filing-says-trump-fox-news-desperately-spinning-up-a-fake-scandal
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: jude2 on February 16, 2022, 09:36:22 PM
She really lacks creativity.  She knows her people are in a world of hurt right about now.

Hillary Clinton reacts to Durham filing, says Trump, Fox News 'desperately spinning up a fake scandal'
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-reacts-to-durham-filing-says-trump-fox-news-desperately-spinning-up-a-fake-scandal
Love the way the dems always spin it to exactly what they are guilty of.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2022, 09:48:55 PM
Love the way the dems always spin it to exactly what they are guilty of.

Like clockwork.  Projection. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 17, 2022, 09:19:09 PM
Durham Probe of Plot Against Trump Grows Damning: 'Someone in Gov Gave Them Permission,' DC Insider Says
By Jack Davis
February 17, 2022
https://www.westernjournal.com/durham-probe-of-plot-against-trump-grows-damning-someone-in-gov-gave-them-permission-dc-insider-says/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on April 26, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
Durham's latest: He has hundreds of e-mails between Fusion GPS and reporters
Also - DARPA Contracts and Classified data
Techno Fog
https://technofog.substack.com/p/durhams-latest-he-has-hundreds-of?s=r
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 04, 2022, 09:06:39 PM
Durham unmasks alliance between media, Democrat dirt diggers that triggered false Russia story
Court filings show plan to introduce evidence that Clinton campaign flooded media with "unverified derogatory information" on Trump.
By John Solomon
Updated: April 30, 2022
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/durham-unmasks-alliance-between-media-democrat-dirt
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 13, 2022, 08:46:37 PM
Fusion GPS ordered to turn over emails to special counsel Durham in ongoing probe

Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm hired by Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, has been ordered by a federal judge to turn over a number of emails to special counsel John Durham.

The emails are primarily exchanges between Clinton campaign attorney and former Perkins Coie partner Michael Sussmann and Fusion GPS. Initially, the emails were part of a batch of documents subpoenaed by prosecutors last year.

U.S. District Judge for the District of Columbia Christopher Cooper ruled Thursday that, of the 38 emails that were subpoenaed, Fusion GPS may withhold 16 for reasons of attorney client privilege, but must immediately fork over the remaining 22.

However, due to the timing of Durham's request, the emails will not be admissible in the impending trial of Sussmann, who has been charged with lying to the FBI during a September 2016 meeting.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/fusion-gps-ordered-turn-over-emails-special-counsel
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 20, 2022, 10:40:43 AM
Hillary Clinton approved dissemination of Trump-Russian bank allegations to media, campaign manager testifies

Former Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook testified Friday that then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton approved the dissemination of materials alleging a covert communications channel between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank to the media, despite campaign officials not being "totally confident" in the legitimacy of the data.

Former FBI General Counsel James Baker testified Thursday that the bureau investigated the data alleging a Trump connection to the Kremlin-linked bank, and found that "there was nothing there."

Mook was called to the stand for testimony by Michael Sussmann’s defense Friday.

During cross-examination by government prosecutor Andrew DeFillippis Friday, Mook was asked about the campaign’s understanding of the Alfa Bank allegations against Trump and whether they planned to release the data to the media.

Mook said he was first briefed about the Alfa Bank issue by campaign general counsel Marc Elias, who at the time was a partner at lawfirm Perkins Coie.

Mook testified that he was told that the data had come from "people that had expertise in this sort of matter."

Mook said the campaign was not totally confident in the legitimacy of the data, but had hoped to give the information to a reporter who could further "run it down" to determine if it was "accurate" or "substantive."

He also said he discussed whether to give the information to a reporter with senior campaign officials, including campaign chairman John Podesta, senior policy advisor, now White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, and communications director Jennifer Palmieri.

"I discussed it with Hillary as well," Mook said.

"I don’t remember the substance of the conversation, but notionally, the discussion was, hey, we have this and we want to share it with a reporter," Mook said.

The government asked Mook if Clinton approved "the dissemination" of the data to the media.

"She agreed," Mook testified.

Mook later said he "can't recall the exact sequence of events," when asked if he shared the idea to give the Trump-Alfa Bank allegations to the media with Clinton before or after the decision was made.

"All I remember is that she agreed with the decision," Mook testified.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-approved-trump-russian-bank-allegations-sussmann-trial
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: jude2 on May 20, 2022, 06:47:52 PM
Of course she did.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 23, 2022, 03:05:29 PM
Hillary Clinton Did It

Her 2016 campaign manager says she approved a plan to plant a false Russia claim with a reporter.

The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon.

Mr. Mook testified as a witness in special counsel John Durham’s trial of Michael Sussmann, the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI. In September 2016, Mr. Sussmann took claims of a secret Trump connection to Russia’s Alfa Bank to the FBI and said he wasn’t acting on behalf of any client. Prosecutors say he was working for the Clinton campaign.

[...]

In short, the Clinton campaign created the Trump-Alfa allegation, fed it to a credulous press that failed to confirm the allegations but ran with them anyway, then promoted the story as if it was legitimate news. The campaign also delivered the claims to the FBI, giving journalists another excuse to portray the accusations as serious and perhaps true.

Most of the press will ignore this news, but the Russia-Trump narrative that Mrs. Clinton sanctioned did enormous harm to the country. It disgraced the FBI, humiliated the press, and sent the country on a three-year investigation to nowhere. Vladimir Putin never came close to doing as much disinformation damage.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 24, 2022, 12:14:02 PM
Deep state.


FBI leadership was 'fired up' about alleged secret channel between Trump-Russian bank: Sussmann trial

FBI leadership, including then-Director James Comey, was "fired up" about the alleged covert communications channel between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank in the days after Michael Sussmann brought the allegations to the bureau, according to testimony and documents revealed in the trial.

Sussmann, on Sept. 19, 2016, set up a meeting with then-FBI General Counsel James Baker where he brought two thumb drives of data and white papers alleging the Trump Organization was using a secret back channel to communicate with Kremlin-linked Alfa Bank in the weeks leading up to the presidential election.

Sussmann is charged with making a false statement to the FBI. During that meeting, Sussmann allegedly told Baker he was not bringing the allegations on behalf of any specific client, but rather as a citizen concerned with national security. Durham’s team alleges they have evidence that Sussmann later billed Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign for his FBI meeting.

Baker passed the thumb drives and white papers along to the head of the bureau’s counterintelligence division, Bill Priestap. An investigation was formally opened at first in the FBI’s cyber division.

Messages submitted as evidence in the trial this week between a supervisory agent for the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe, also known as "Crossfire Hurricane," Joe Pientka, and FBI Special Agent Curtis Heide revealed that the top brass of the FBI called for an investigation into the data.

"People on the 7th floor to include Director are fired up about this server," Pientka messaged Heide. "Did you guys open a case? Reach out and put tools on?"

Multiple current and former FBI officials during the Sussmann trial testified that "the 7th floor" was a reference to FBI leadership, as that is where the offices of the director and deputy director are located at FBI headquarters.

Pientka added: "If not I will call Dan as Priestap says its not an option—we must do it."

Officials said the investigation into the data "must" take place in the counterintelligence division, following a review by the FBI’s cyber division, which determined there was no cyber "equity" and that the conclusions that were drawn in the white papers were erroneous.

"Roger," Heide replied. "We are opening a CI [counterintelligence] case today."

Baker, in testimony last week, said he immediately notified Priestap, and later, briefed then-FBI Director James Comey and then-FBI Deputy Director Andy McCabe following his meeting with Sussmann.

"The FBI was already conducting an investigation into alleged connections between the Trump campaign and Russians at this point in time, so that was a matter of great concern to all of us," Baker said.

"Here was another type of information between Trump and Russia that had come to me," Baker said, describing it as "concerning" and "time sensitive."

"It seemed to me of great urgency and great seriousness that I would want to make my bosses aware of this information," Baker said. "I think they were quite concerned about it."

"Trump, at the time, was a candidate for office of the president of the United States, so, the FBI is investigating allegations related to his potential interactions, and those people on his campaign, with the government of the Russian Federation," Baker said. He added: "And that was of high, high importance to the FBI at this point in time."

But on Tuesday, Heide testified that after weeks of investigating, the FBI was "unable to substantiate any of the allegations in the white paper."

FBI Special Agent Scott Hellman, last week, testified that the data revealing the alleged covert communications channel between Trump and Russia that Sussmann brought to the FBI turned out to be untrue, and said he did not agree with the narrative.

Hellman testified that whoever drafted the narrative describing the DNS data was "5150," and clarified on the stand that meant he believed the individual who came to the conclusions was "was suffering from some mental disability."

And Baker testified last week that the FBI's investigation "did not reveal there was some kind of surreptitious communications channel."


"We concluded there was no substance. We couldn’t confirm it. We could not confirm there was a surreptitious communications channel," Baker said, noting the investigation was "several weeks, maybe a month, maybe a month and a half."

"There was nothing there," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-trump-russia-alfa-bank-durham-sussmann-trial
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 24, 2022, 03:22:55 PM
They're now "investigating" themselves. Took them a while.

FBI running internal investigation into its own Trump-Russia probe 'Crossfire Hurricane'

The FBI is conducting an internal investigation into the bureau’s Trump-Russia investigation, also known as Crossfire Hurricane.

The news of the internal review came during testimony from FBI Special Agent Curtis Heide Tuesday during the trial of Michael Sussmann — the first trial out of Special Counsel John Durham’s years-long investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

Heide confirmed during testimony that he is being investigated for withholding potentially exculpatory information in a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Heide said Tuesday that the exculpatory information in question was a "recording from one of the subjects."

Fox News first reported in 2019 that Durham’s review was zeroing in on transcripts of recordings made by at least one FBI confidential human source who met with Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos overseas in 2016, specifically looking at why certain "exculpatory" material from them was not presented in subsequent applications for FISA warrants against Page.

A source, in 2019, told Fox News that the "exculpatory evidence" that could be included in those transcripts, which were declassified and released in April 2020, was Papadopoulos denying having any contact with the Russians to obtain the supposed "dirt" on Clinton.

Fox News obtained the declassified transcript of the secretly recorded meeting in April 2020. The transcript revealed the confidential human source pressed Papadopoulos on whether the Trump campaign was involved in Russian election meddling — something that, the transcript shows, Papadopoulos emphatically denied.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-internal-investigation-trump-russia-probe-crossfire-hurricane
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2022, 11:39:08 PM
And this dude is getting paid to be a commentator, still talking about Trump. 

Strzok's dismissal letter was published today:

"In my 23 years in the FBI, I have not seen a more impactful series of missteps that has called into question the entire organization and more thoroughly damaged the FBI’s reputation."

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https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1575986650643304448?s=20&t=wLIHi9Ol01YpZlwQag09KQ
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 10, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 02, 2023, 04:23:00 PM
Woodward: I tried to warn you journalists about the Steele dossier
ED MORRISSEY on February 01, 2023
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/02/01/woodward-i-tried-to-warn-you-journalists-about-the-steele-dossier-n527763
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on April 25, 2023, 09:58:09 PM


They are obsessed with the Big Lie.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2023, 12:53:06 PM
Durham's attempt to hold people accountable was a miserable failure, but this does provide further evidence of the actual Big Lie.

Jim Jordan plans to summon Durham to testify after release of damning report
The FBI has long defended its conduct in probe, but Durham said his probe provided a "sobering" look at miscondict
By John Solomon
Updated: May 15, 2023

Special Counsel John Durham released a damning final report Monday after more than three years investigating the Russia collusion probe, declaring the FBI had no verified intelligence or evidence when it opened up the Crossfire Hurricane probe of President Donald Trump's campaign in the summer of 2016.

"Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," Durham wrote in a 300-plus page report sent to Congress and others and obtained by Just the News. DOJ was slated to make the report public later Monday.

The prosecutor faulted the FBI and Justice Department for failing to follow their own standards and allowing a probe to persist, including the surveillance of an American citizen without basis under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we concluded the Department and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report," Durham wrote.

"The FBI personnel also repeatedly disregarded important requirements when they continued to seek renewals of that FISA surveillance while acknowledging -- both then and in hindsight -- that they did not genuinely believe there was probably cause to believe that the target was knowingly engaged in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of foreign power."


The report's release touched off instant outrage and impact on Capitol Hill, where House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan tweeted he planned to summon Durham for testimony next week.

Durham specifically faulted the FBI for relying on evidence from Hillary Clinton's campaign, including the Steele dossier, saying leadership lacked the necessary distrust of politically motivated allegations.

"Our investigation also revealed that senior FBI personnel displayed a serious lack of analytical rigor towards the information that they received, especially information received from politically affiliated persons and entities. This information in part triggered and sustained Crossfire Hurricane and contributed to the subsequent need for Special Counsel Mueller's investigation," he wrote.

"In particular, there was significant reliance on investigative leads provided or funded (directly or indirectly) by Trump's political opponents. The Department did not adequately examine or question these materials and the motivations of those providing them, even when at about the same time the Director of the FBI and others learned of significant and potentially contrary intelligence."

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/john-durham-releases-final-report-concluding-fbi-had-no
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2023, 03:03:05 PM
The Durham Report
A quick analysis

TECHNO FOG
MAY 15, 2023

Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation – an inquiry into government corruption, lies to secret courts, the weaponization of the US intelligence apparatus, the FBI’s attempt to take down a sitting president – has concluded.

The Durham Report has been released.

Here are some of the main findings:

“The FBI discounted or willfully ignored material information that did not support the narrative of a collusive relationship between Trump and Russia.”

Crossfire Hurricane “was opened as a full investigation without [the FBI] ever having spoken to the persons who provided that information.” Days after it was opened, Peter Strzok was telling a London FBI employee that “there’s nothing to this.”

Internal FBI communications discussing the Crossfire Hurricane during its early stages: it’s “thin” and “it sucks”.

British Intelligence pushed back on Mueller requests for assistance: “[a British Intelligence person] basically said there was no [expletive] way in hell they were going to do it.”

Durham documents TWO investigations into Hillary Clinton - one involving the Clinton Foundation and one involving illegal foreign contributions to Clinton’s Campaign.

In one Clinton Campaign investigation, an FBI confidential human source (CHS) had offered an illegal foreign contribution to the campaign through an intermediary. The Clinton Campaign was “okay with it” and “were fully aware”. The CHS offered the FBI a copy of the credit card charge; the FBI never got receipts. In fact, the FBI handling agent told the CHS “to stay away from all events relating to Clinton’s campaign.”

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In February 2016, FBI Assistant Director Andrew McCabe directed the Clinton Foundation investigation to be shut down. He walked that back after receiving push-back, but McCabe made sure that his approval was required for any further investigative steps.

The New York Field Office was called on behalf of FBI Director Comey and informed to “cease and desist” from the Clinton Foundation investigation.

The FBI and DOJ restricted both of those Clinton investigations, making sure that “essentially no investigative activities occurred for months leading up to the election.” In comparison, the FBI opened a full investigation into the Trump Campaign based on unvetted “intelligence”.

The CIA had direct knowledge of the Clinton plan (“Clinton Plan”) to vilify Trump by linking him to Putin and Russia. On August 3, 2016, CIA Director John Brennon met with President Obama, VP Biden, and other senior Administration officials, including but not limited to Attorney General Loretta Lynch and FBI Director James Comey. At that meeting, Brennan informed them of the Clinton Plan:

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In September 2016, the CIA sent the FBI this information on the Clinton Plan to link Trump and Russia:

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Somehow, the FBI did nothing to vet or investigate the Clinton Plan - even though they were using parts of the Clinton Plan (the Steele Reports) - to investigate the Trump Campaign. Durham writes: “No FBI personnel who were interviewed by the Office recalled Crossfire Hurricane personnel taking any action to vet the Clinton Plan intelligence.”

In fact, it was as if the CIA’s Clinton Plan memo was somehow buried within the FBI. Most members of Crossfire Hurricane “had never seen the intelligence before”. And, as we have previously discussed, it was never disclosed to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in contravention to that court’s local rules.

FBI Director James Comey was deeply interested in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation and micromanaged it, demanding the Carter Page FISA warrant, telling Assistant Director Andrew McCabe: “Where is the FISA, where is the FISA?”

The FBI knew, relatively early, that its Carter Page FISA warrants were dubious. That FBI knowledge only intensified by 2018, as FBI analysts discussed how “Steele’s subsources could have been compromised by the Russians.” They were going to prepare their findings in a memorandum. FBI Deputy Assistant Director for Counterintelligence, Dina Corsi, met with the review team and directed them not to document any recommendations, context, or analysis in the memorandum they were preparing.” An FBI attorney was at that meeting. “He confirmed that the team was told not to write any more memoranda or analytical pieces and to provide their findings orally.” Corsi’s demands, according to one FBI Attorney, were “the most inappropriate operational or professional statement he had ever heard at the FBI.”

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Igor Danchenko, the Steele primary subsource charged with (and acquitted of) lying to the FBI, was paid $220K by the FBI as a confidential human source. This was paid after the FBI knew Danchenko lied to them. As the Durham Investigation proceeded, Durham learned “the FBI proposed making continued future payments to Danchenko, totaling more than $300,000, while [Durham] was actively investigating this matter.” The FBI, in effect, was seeking to influence a key witness who would later face criminal charges.

The FBI’s reasons for paying Danchenko were certainly curious. Interviews with Durham’s office revealed: “the FBI's Executive Assistant Director for National Security, made clear that they were not even able to accurately describe the value or contributions of Danchenko that would justify keeping him open, much less making hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments to him.”

We’ll follow this up with a much deeper analysis hopefully by tomorrow. Part of that story is the problem with the Durham investigation: the fact that its scope didn’t include the attribution of the DNC hack.

https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-durham-report?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=274771&post_id=121617908&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 05:18:32 AM
Breaking: John Durham releases final report concluding FBI had no verified intel when it opened probe on Trump
Just the News ^ | May 15, 2023 | John Solomon
Posted on 5/15/2023, 3:37:34 PM by Yo-Yo

Special Counsel John Durham released his final report Monday after more than three years investigating the Russia collusion probe, declaring the FBI has no verified intelligence or evidence when it opened up the Crossfire Hurricane probe of President Donald Trump's campaign in the summer of 2016.

"Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," Durham wrote in a 300-plus page report sent to Congress and others and obtained by Just the News. DO was slated to make the report public later Moday.

The prosecutor's faulted the FBI and Justice Department for failing to follow their own standards and allowing a probe to persist, including the surveillance of an American citizen without basis under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we concluded the Department and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report," Durham wrote.

"The FBI personnel also repeatedly disregarded important requirements when they continued to seek renewals of that FISA surveillance while acknowledging -- both then and in hindsight -- that they did not genuinely believe there was probably cause to believe that the target was knowingly engaged in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of foreign power."
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 05:19:56 AM
BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.”
Twitter ^ | May 15th, 2023 | Sean Davis
Posted on 5/15/2023, 3:34:59 PM by shadowlands1960

BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.” FBI records prepared by [Peter] Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.” According to the 306-page Durham report, the Obama FBI tried and failed to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on George Papadopoulos.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Grape Ape on May 16, 2023, 05:45:04 AM
BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.”
Twitter ^ | May 15th, 2023 | Sean Davis
Posted on 5/15/2023, 3:34:59 PM by shadowlands1960

BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.” FBI records prepared by [Peter] Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.” According to the 306-page Durham report, the Obama FBI tried and failed to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on George Papadopoulos.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...

And not one democrat will care.

And Schiff will get a senate seat and not be punished.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: The Gov on May 16, 2023, 06:04:21 AM
BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.”
Twitter ^ | May 15th, 2023 | Sean Davis
Posted on 5/15/2023, 3:34:59 PM by shadowlands1960

BREAKING: Special prosecutor John Durham concluded that “neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.” FBI records prepared by [Peter] Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.” According to the 306-page Durham report, the Obama FBI tried and failed to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on George Papadopoulos.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...


All of us here knew this, whilst the brain dead libertards here which is only 2 people (groomerforboys and his 5 gimmicks and Prime) believed it as CNN said so.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 07:25:11 AM
It can't be just a CT because the FBI is deeply investigating this.....I'm not saying Trump knew anything but he had a strange group of people that no one had ever heard of SUDDENLY involved in his campaign ALL OF WHOM had either taken money from the Russians or had contacts with Russian operatives.....Flynn.... ..Manafort........Carter Page.......ALL OF WHOM LIED about their contacts with the Russians......

The author of this thread has seriously got his head in the sand............

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 07:48:19 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 08:01:10 AM
The Durham Report Leaves No Doubt: The FBI Is A Mortal Threat To Democracy
The Federalist ^ | MAY 16, 2023 | John Daniel Davidson
Posted on 5/16/2023, 10:41:35 AM by Heartlander

The Durham Report Leaves No Doubt: The FBI Is A Mortal Threat To Democracy
What the report reveals above all is that the deep state is real, it’s corrupt, and it’s at war with the American people.
Imagine someone told you that in the run-up to a U.S. presidential election, the FBI tried to undermine a candidate at the behest of the opposing campaign by cooking up a false narrative of collusion with Moscow.

And let’s say this conspiracy implicated not just the FBI but also the White House, Justice Department, and CIA — and that nearly the entire corporate press went along with it, gleefully spreading the false narrative that this candidate was a Russian agent, running story after story of fabricated nonsense in a coordinated effort to ensure the opposing candidate won.

In normal times, you’d scoff at such an outlandish story, dismiss it as the plot of some half-baked Tom Clancy novel. That could never happen in America, you’d say, where we have free and fair elections, the rule of law, and so on. And anyway, the media would never allow it to happen. They’d be too invested in exposing the conspiracy and claiming, rightly, a Watergate-type story of their very own.

But you’d be wrong. All of that really happened in 2016, recounted in all its jaw-dropping detail in Special Counsel John Durham’s 306-page report, released Monday after nearly four years in the making. The big takeaway from the report is that the Obama-era FBI launched a full investigation of the Trump campaign, codenamed Crossfire Hurricane, in the summer of 2016 despite having zero evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia.

Not only that, but officials at the highest levels of the U.S. government, including President Obama, knew that the entire false narrative that Trump was colluding with Moscow was completely made up by the Clinton campaign in an effort to weaponize the federal government against Trump and distract from Hillary Clinton’s own email server scandal.

The Durham report recounts how in August 2016, CIA Director John Brennan briefed Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey, and other senior administration officials on what the report calls the “Clinton Plan intelligence,” a scheme Clinton approved in July 2016 “to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”

In other words, all of these senior officials, some of the most powerful people in the federal government, knew as early as the summer of 2016 that the Clinton campaign had a plan to whip up a scandal by falsely alleging collusion between Trump and Moscow. But all of them ignored this important fact when the FBI launched Crossfire Hurricane around the same time on the basis of far-fetched claims that Trump was a Russian agent — claims that were made in the Steele dossier, a slapdash piece of oppo-research the Clinton campaign itself had paid for.

The FBI knew all of this, as did Brennan, yet they ignored it to keep Crossfire Hurricane alive, along with the narrative that Trump was in bed with Russia. That fall, the FBI used the baseless dossier to acquire FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. All of this was eventually leaked to a compliant and incurious new media, and voila! Clinton’s Trump-Russia scandal was born — without a shred of evidence, and indeed despite significant evidence to the contrary.

My colleagues at The Federalist have detailed the shocking contents of the Durham report (here, here, here, and here), but taking a step back from the dizzying array of details, every American needs to understand that what made all of this possible was the stupefying level of corruption and partisan malevolence deep inside our federal government.

The Russia-collusion hoax was concocted and brought to life only because the most powerful people in the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement community wanted an excuse to weaponize the federal government against Donald Trump. They didn’t want him to be president, simple as that. It didn’t matter to them what voters wanted; they thought they knew better. So they felt any abuse of power was justified in preventing Trump from winning the White House.

That they failed is cold comfort because we know that failure didn’t deter these people. When the next election cycle came around, the same people, including Brennan, were back at it, using their power and influence to shape public perceptions of the campaign and push outright falsehoods on the American people. It was Brennan, after all, who worked with CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell to produce a letter signed by dozens of former intelligence officials in October 2020 denouncing the Hunter Biden laptop story as having, in Brennan’s words, “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation” — another outlandish claim for which there was zero evidence.

We know, too, that corporate media are undeterred by these embarrassing episodes. Some of the outlets that did the most to push the Russia-collusion hoax were rewarded for their efforts with Pulitzer prizes and other accolades. None of them have recanted their fake stories, and nearly all of them reacted Monday to the Durham report by dismissing it as a “big fat nothing” or, in the words of CNN’s Nicolle Wallace, a “rabbit hole conspiracy” — without a hint of self-awareness that her own network was a chief purveyor of the very real Trump-Russia conspiracy.

Beyond the shamelessness of the media and the corruption of government officials, the Durham report is a sobering reminder that we can’t sustain a self-governing republic under these conditions. When the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of the federal government can be used as a weapon to undermine an outsider candidate for high office, it means our republic is in grave danger.

It means, too, that it would be better if we had no FBI at all than the corrupt agency we have now, which sees fit to traffic in actual disinformation, spread conspiracy theories, and throttle the democratic process whenever a candidate comes along who threatens the status quo. That’s the real lesson of the Durham report, and we ignore it at our peril.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
Durham proved a vast conspiracy to deceive voters about Trump and Russia, but won't indict anyone, so media can bury the story
American Thinker ^ | 05/16/2023 | Thomas Lifson
Posted on 5/16/2023, 10:43:25 AM by SeekAndFind

John Durham’s report issued yesterday after 3+ years of investigation paints a damning picture of a conspiracy among federal officials, leading legacy media, and the Hillary Clinton campaign and Obama administration. But by issuing no indictments whatsoever, he enabled the complex story to be buried by the same media in a day or two.

Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch summarizes what was proven:

As confirmed by Durham: Obama knew. Clinton knew. Biden knew. Comey knew. Brennan knew. McCabe knew. Strzok knew.Clapper knew.Schiff knew.FBI knew.DOJ knew.They all knew Trump was innocent but they smeared and spied on him. Worse than Watergate. Trump is a crime victim! pic.twitter.com/hnrD3z3KDe — Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) May 15, 2023

He also summarizes the betrayal of punting on doing anything about what was uncovered:

DURHAM FAIL: @RealDonaldTrump is a crime victim who was targeted by a seditious conspiracy by Obama, Biden, Clinton and their Deep State allies. But Durham let down the American people with few and failed prosecutions. https://t.co/KGPsX72jcJ pic.twitter.com/xBZfiERzCa — Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) May 16, 2023

There was never any basis for the FBI to have opened its investigation.

"Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," Durham wrote

Recall that James Comey’s briefing of Donald Trump on the investigation was the trigger for the media to start the orgy of coverage of the non-scandal, lending an official imprimatur to the false charge that Trump was elected thanks to collusion with the Russians.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 10:41:31 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: SOMEPARTS on May 16, 2023, 10:54:48 AM
Durham proved a vast conspiracy to deceive voters about Trump and Russia, but won't indict anyone, so media can bury the story
American Thinker ^ | 05/16/2023 | Thomas Lifson
Posted on 5/16/2023, 10:43:25 AM by SeekAndFind

John Durham’s report issued yesterday after 3+ years of investigation paints a damning picture of a conspiracy among federal officials, leading legacy media, and the Hillary Clinton campaign and Obama administration. But by issuing no indictments whatsoever, he enabled the complex story to be buried by the same media in a day or two.

Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch summarizes what was proven:

As confirmed by Durham: Obama knew. Clinton knew. Biden knew. Comey knew. Brennan knew. McCabe knew. Strzok knew.Clapper knew.Schiff knew.FBI knew.DOJ knew.They all knew Trump was innocent but they smeared and spied on him. Worse than Watergate. Trump is a crime victim! pic.twitter.com/hnrD3z3KDe — Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) May 15, 2023

He also summarizes the betrayal of punting on doing anything about what was uncovered:

DURHAM FAIL: @RealDonaldTrump is a crime victim who was targeted by a seditious conspiracy by Obama, Biden, Clinton and their Deep State allies. But Durham let down the American people with few and failed prosecutions. https://t.co/KGPsX72jcJ pic.twitter.com/xBZfiERzCa — Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) May 16, 2023

There was never any basis for the FBI to have opened its investigation.

"Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," Durham wrote

Recall that James Comey’s briefing of Donald Trump on the investigation was the trigger for the media to start the orgy of coverage of the non-scandal, lending an official imprimatur to the false charge that Trump was elected thanks to collusion with the Russians.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


Exactly, spends years and millions for nothing so those on the right can feel like something is getting done. It's sad....just keeps happening over and over. Why do people still fall for it?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on May 16, 2023, 11:33:17 AM
Durham's attempt to hold people accountable was a miserable failure, but this does provide further evidence of the actual Big Lie.

Jim Jordan plans to summon Durham to testify after release of damning report
The FBI has long defended its conduct in probe, but Durham said his probe provided a "sobering" look at miscondict
By John Solomon
Updated: May 15, 2023

Special Counsel John Durham released a damning final report Monday after more than three years investigating the Russia collusion probe, declaring the FBI had no verified intelligence or evidence when it opened up the Crossfire Hurricane probe of President Donald Trump's campaign in the summer of 2016.

"Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," Durham wrote in a 300-plus page report sent to Congress and others and obtained by Just the News. DOJ was slated to make the report public later Monday.

The prosecutor faulted the FBI and Justice Department for failing to follow their own standards and allowing a probe to persist, including the surveillance of an American citizen without basis under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we concluded the Department and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report," Durham wrote.

"The FBI personnel also repeatedly disregarded important requirements when they continued to seek renewals of that FISA surveillance while acknowledging -- both then and in hindsight -- that they did not genuinely believe there was probably cause to believe that the target was knowingly engaged in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of foreign power."


The report's release touched off instant outrage and impact on Capitol Hill, where House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan tweeted he planned to summon Durham for testimony next week.

Durham specifically faulted the FBI for relying on evidence from Hillary Clinton's campaign, including the Steele dossier, saying leadership lacked the necessary distrust of politically motivated allegations.

"Our investigation also revealed that senior FBI personnel displayed a serious lack of analytical rigor towards the information that they received, especially information received from politically affiliated persons and entities. This information in part triggered and sustained Crossfire Hurricane and contributed to the subsequent need for Special Counsel Mueller's investigation," he wrote.

"In particular, there was significant reliance on investigative leads provided or funded (directly or indirectly) by Trump's political opponents. The Department did not adequately examine or question these materials and the motivations of those providing them, even when at about the same time the Director of the FBI and others learned of significant and potentially contrary intelligence."

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/john-durham-releases-final-report-concluding-fbi-had-no

Would you say the evidence you listed worth four years of special counsel investigation and $6.5 M of taxpayer’s money which was spent to produce it?

Does the 'invitation' Jim Jordon sent to Durham require him to show up and testify?

Special Counsel John Durham's report finds that the FBI did not have enough 'factual evidence' to investigate allegations of Trump-Russia collusion. Do you agree?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 11:45:04 AM

Exactly, spends years and millions for nothing so those on the right can feel like something is getting done. It's sad....just keeps happening over and over. Why do people still fall for it?

Liberal fags like Prime bought into every MSM scam about Trump. 

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Gym Rat on May 16, 2023, 11:56:16 AM
Everything they've done is a giant and epic fail.
Fail means "Demturd" in real life.

This politicized attack on Trump will also fail.
Just noise...

Aomeba are smarter than your average Libturd. (With a bigger set of nuts as well). Libz have Gunts...
The resident caulk-sukkers - Tracker, Prime, Lurking for Caulk, etc...
Hilarious weak fellers (or girls) who wont say "boo" in real life.

Cowards
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 11:59:33 AM
Laura Ingraham: Durham Findings ‘Arguably’ Worse than Watergate
Breitbart ^ | 05/16/2023 | Jeff Poor
Posted on 5/16/2023, 1:42:35 PM by

Monday on FNC’s “The Ingraham Angle,” host Laura Ingraham called the findings of the Durham probe into the investigation of Donald Trump and alleged Russian collusion to be “arguable” worse than the Watergate scandal that plagued former President Richard Nixon.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...





Its far far worse.   Fags and pedos on the left couldn't care less however. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on May 16, 2023, 12:40:14 PM
Liberal fags like Prime bought into every MSM scam about Trump.

What's it to you? My supposedly buying into every MSM scam about Trump has not cost tax payers or you 1¢.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2023, 08:54:02 PM
Would you say the evidence you listed worth four years of special counsel investigation and $6.5 M of taxpayer’s money which was spent to produce it?

Does the 'invitation' Jim Jordon sent to Durham require him to show up and testify?

Special Counsel John Durham's report finds that the FBI did not have enough 'factual evidence' to investigate allegations of Trump-Russia collusion. Do you agree?

I am not a fan of special counsel investigations, but I'm glad he confirmed what I already knew:  Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories.  This whole thing is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime. 

An invitation is not the same as a subpoena, so no Durham isn't required to show up.

Your cherrypicking is pathetic.  Go read the executive summary of the report.  It's much more than not enough "factual evidence." 

Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2023, 08:54:35 PM
I wonder what she has to say today? 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwRb3GuWYAAzple?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 16, 2023, 09:08:58 PM
I wonder what she has to say today? 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwRb3GuWYAAzple?format=jpg&name=medium)

Not very talkative today... She is worse than Psaki. And Psaki was terrible.


Karine Jean-Pierre ends press briefing after being pressed on Durham report

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre declined to comment from the White House podium Tuesday about Special Counsel John Durham’s report on the investigation into Trump-Russia collusion.

Durham’s 300-page report found that the FBI and Department of Justice "failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law" regarding its investigation into possible Russia collusion with the Trump campaign in 2016. Though the report dropped on Monday, only RealClearNews reporter Philip Wegmann referred to Durham’s report and asked for a reaction at the White House press briefing.

"What is the White House reaction to special counsel report on how the FBI handled the Trump-Russia probe?" Wegmann asked the press secretary.

Jean-Pierre responded, "I would leave it to the Department of Justice to speak to that."

Wegmann pressed further, asking, "The president talks often about how he wants the DOJ and FBI to remain independent and above the fray. That report seems to reflect the opposite. Does he agree with Special Counsel Durham that there needs to be wholesale changes at the FBI?"

"Again, that is with the Department of Justice," Jean-Pierre said as she closed her briefing book. "That's not something that I'm going to speak from the podium. As you just stated in your question, we believe in an independent Department of Justice. That's what the president said when he was running and that's what the president has said the last two years."

"Thank you so much. I'll see you guys in Japan," she said while leaving the podium before any more questions could be asked.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/karine-jean-pierre-ends-press-briefing-pressed-durham-report-fled-podium
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2023, 09:28:30 PM
Not very talkative today... She is worse than Psaki. And Psaki was terrible.


Karine Jean-Pierre ends press briefing after being pressed on Durham report

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre declined to comment from the White House podium Tuesday about Special Counsel John Durham’s report on the investigation into Trump-Russia collusion.

Durham’s 300-page report found that the FBI and Department of Justice "failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law" regarding its investigation into possible Russia collusion with the Trump campaign in 2016. Though the report dropped on Monday, only RealClearNews reporter Philip Wegmann referred to Durham’s report and asked for a reaction at the White House press briefing.

"What is the White House reaction to special counsel report on how the FBI handled the Trump-Russia probe?" Wegmann asked the press secretary.

Jean-Pierre responded, "I would leave it to the Department of Justice to speak to that."

Wegmann pressed further, asking, "The president talks often about how he wants the DOJ and FBI to remain independent and above the fray. That report seems to reflect the opposite. Does he agree with Special Counsel Durham that there needs to be wholesale changes at the FBI?"

"Again, that is with the Department of Justice," Jean-Pierre said as she closed her briefing book. "That's not something that I'm going to speak from the podium. As you just stated in your question, we believe in an independent Department of Justice. That's what the president said when he was running and that's what the president has said the last two years."

"Thank you so much. I'll see you guys in Japan," she said while leaving the podium before any more questions could be asked.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/karine-jean-pierre-ends-press-briefing-pressed-durham-report-fled-podium

lol.  Of course she ran away.  She is probably the dumbest press secretary in American history. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
Liberal fags like Prime bought into every MSM scam about Trump.
Still do. It's beyond pathetic.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 16, 2023, 11:59:13 PM
I wonder what she has to say today? 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwRb3GuWYAAzple?format=jpg&name=medium)

Along with all the others.   Same as every other hyped up liberal emotional “issue”.   Not a single retraction or apology from any of them.   

Disgusting.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2023, 12:08:34 PM
Don’t Miss The Most Damning Durham Finding
Federalist ^ | MAY 17, 2023 | BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND





FBI/WIKIPEDIA/PUBLIC DOMAIN

Special Counsel John Durham declared the DOJ and FBI’s hearts and minds corrupted.

Monday’s special counsel report detailed extensive evidence of Department of Justice and FBI misconduct concerning the launch and handling of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, and equally overwhelming proof of partisan motives and double standards. While the facts are critical of both the bureau and the DOJ, more scandalous is John Durham’s conclusion that the inexcusable targeting of a political opponent cannot be prevented absent a curing of the corrupted hearts and minds of law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

Durham’s 306-page report opened with an executive summary capsulizing the results of the special counsel’s four-year investigation into the intelligence activities and investigations arising out of the 2016 presidential campaigns. While calling the findings “sobering,” and previewing the widespread misconduct on which the body of the report elaborated, Durham’s introductory comments emphasized he “does not recommend any wholesale changes in the guidelines and policies.”

It is here that Durham made his damning indictment of the DOJ and the FBI when he stressed that “the answer is not the creation of new rules but a renewed fidelity to the old.” Ultimately, he continued, justice “comes down to the integrity of the people who take an oath to follow the guidelines.” And “the promulgation of additional rules and regulations to be learned in yet more training sessions would likely prove to be a fruitless exercise if the FBI’s guiding principles of ‘Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity’ are not engrained in the hearts and minds of those sworn to meet the FBI’ s mission of ‘Protect[ing] the American People and Uphold[ing] the Constitution of the United States.’”

For the many details that followed — every misstep retraced and every inexplicable and unreasonable action condemned — that conclusion dwarfed them all. From the hurried opening of a full investigation of a presidential campaign based on unanalyzed and uncorroborated information to the fraudulent use of FISA warrants to the disregard of exculpatory evidence, Crossfire Hurricane represented a perfect storm of failures.

But what should terrify the country is not the catalog of malfeasance the special counsel recited — for mistakes and even gross failures can be corrected — but that Durham warned of corrupted hearts and minds, unfaithful to the people and their Constitution.

Telling too was that Durham opened and closed his 300-plus page report on the Russia-collusion hoax with homage to Attorney General Edward H. Levi. Appointed attorney general not long into President Ford’s term, Levi was “credited with restoring order after Watergate.” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia would later say of Levi, he “brought the department through its worst years.”

But it was not merely Watergate. As Scalia detailed, “it was a bad time not only because of the disgrace of Watergate, which had affected the department most deeply, but there were also problems at the F.B.I.” At the time, the FBI had been conducting domestic surveillance operations, and under Levi’s leadership, regulations were put into place to limit the bureau’s abuse.

That history makes even more pronounced Durham’s introductory reminder that “the integrity of the people who take an oath to follow the guidelines and policies currently in place, guidelines that date from the time of Attorney General Levi,” is what ensures “the rule of law is upheld.”

Likewise, Levi’s role in reforming the FBI and bringing the DOJ out of the shadow of the Watergate scandal gives profound meaning to Durham’s decision to close the special counsel’s report like this:

‘Nothing,’ former Attorney General Levi warned, ‘can more weaken the quality of life or more imperil the realization of the goals we all hold dear than our failure to make clear by words and deed that our law is not the instrument of partisan purpose.’

For all the misconduct the special counsel exposed, it was Levi’s warning that Durham left us. And that, I fear, is the most significant revelation to come from the investigation: that after four years of inspecting the underbelly of the FBI, Durham saw a creature reminiscent of the one running wild under Nixon.

Sadly, Durham’s words are unlikely to resonate with Attorney General Merrick Garland and FBI Director Christopher Wray. For they stand idly by while history repeats itself with the favoritism previously shown to Hillary Clinton now being bestowed on Hunter Biden and the Biden family. But the special counsel’s entreat could still succeed from the bottom up if the honorable and faithful men and women of the FBI join the ranks of whistleblowers and revolt against those leaders corrupted in heart and mind.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Grape Ape on May 17, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
Along with all the others.   Same as every other hyped up liberal emotional “issue”.   Not a single retraction or apology from any of them.   

Disgusting.

They should just ask her again tomorrow.

They asked for the "White House's opinion", not the DOJ's.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2023, 12:18:19 PM
They should just ask her again tomorrow.

They asked for the "White House's opinion", not the DOJ's.

Look at the liberal twinks on this page - has one even admitted once how bad they were fooled or suckered on this or anything else?  They never will because they are part of a CULT and will never acknowledge reality.  I hope they all choke to death on their KN95's they still wear daily. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2023, 01:13:35 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Teutonic Knight on May 17, 2023, 01:14:38 PM
So it's official, DEMENTED 1 will not meet leaders of Australia,India & Japan @ the Sydney Opera House , 24th May 2023 !.

China must be  ;D !.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 17, 2023, 01:28:24 PM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2023, 01:50:53 PM
Along with all the others.   Same as every other hyped up liberal emotional “issue”.   Not a single retraction or apology from any of them.   

Disgusting.

Not just refusing to retract, but doubling down. 

MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace rejects Durham Report since her career 'was built upon a fraud' in Russiagate: Critics
The 'Deadline: White House' host was a big booster of Trump-Russia collusion narrative
By Joseph A. Wulfsohn, David Rutz | Fox News
Published May 17, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-rejects-durham-report-career-built-upon-fraud-russiagate
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on May 17, 2023, 03:11:42 PM
I am not a fan of special counsel investigations, but I'm glad he confirmed what I already knew:  Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the stupidest conspiracy theory in the history of stupid conspiracy theories.  This whole thing is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime. 

An invitation is not the same as a subpoena, so no Durham isn't required to show up.

Your cherrypicking is pathetic.  Go read the executive summary of the report.  It's much more than not enough "factual evidence."

I already read it. Words are not actions.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
I already read it. Words are not actions.

That's a meaningless statement.  You are purposely trying to understate the findings.  But I understand why.  You have good company at MSNBC. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on May 17, 2023, 04:31:40 PM
That's a meaningless statement.  You are purposely trying to understate the findings.  But I understand why.  You have good company at MSNBC.

Maybe I should start watching MSNBC. I enjoy being in good company.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2023, 04:37:29 PM
Maybe I should start watching MSNBC. I enjoy being in good company.

No need.  You already parrot their propaganda.   
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 18, 2023, 12:24:55 AM
They always knew it was a hoax. In their minds republicans are evil so they will tell any lie or commit any fraud to defeat them. They will never apologize because they don't see anything wrong with it. They are saving the world! ::)
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Primemuscle on May 18, 2023, 02:09:07 PM
They always knew it was a hoax. In their minds republicans are evil so they will tell any lie or commit any fraud to defeat them. They will never apologize because they don't see anything wrong with it. They are saving the world! ::)

Some Republicans are evil, so are some Democrats. Who always knew it was a hoax?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 18, 2023, 02:12:15 PM
Some Republicans are evil, so are some Democrats. Who always knew it was a hoax?
everyone did but partisans hacks like yourself. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 18, 2023, 03:28:43 PM
They always knew it was a hoax. In their minds republicans are evil so they will tell any lie or commit any fraud to defeat them. They will never apologize because they don't see anything wrong with it. They are saving the world! ::)

That is exactly right.  They use an "ends justifies the means" argument to destroy civil liberties, the Constitution, etc., because they are combating "evil." 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 19, 2023, 10:55:30 AM
Clinton Collusion, Russian Spies, And More: Eight Surprises from the Durham Report
Chuck Ross
May 17, 2023
https://freebeacon.com/elections/clinton-collusion-russian-spies-and-more-eight-surprises-from-the-durham-report/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2023, 07:53:37 PM
Ex-DOJ Official and Wife Had Bigger Roles in Dossier Than Known: Durham Report
By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
May 16, 2023
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/05/16/ex-doj_official_and_wife_had_bigger_roles_in_dossier_than_known_durham_report_899718.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Skeletor on May 24, 2023, 09:35:51 AM
LOL

GOP Rep. Anna Paulina Luna seeks $16 million fine against Adam Schiff for ‘lies’ about Trump-Russia collusion

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., introduced a resolution that would fine Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., $16 million for his claims that former President Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.

Luna says that amount is about half of the cost of the federal investigation into alleged Trump-Russia collusion, which was debunked by special counsel reports from both Robert Mueller and John Durham.

"The GOP Conference agrees that Adam Schiff has betrayed the trust of the American people, purposely abused positions of extreme authority, lied continuously, and as such, must be held to account," Luna said. "Accordingly, the resolution requires Rep. Schiff to pay a $16 million dollar fine, half of the cost American taxpayers were forced to pay for the Russia hoax investigation."

Luna’s resolution said as chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Schiff had a position of "extreme trust" that gave him access to sensitive information not available to other members.

But Schiff "abused this trust" by citing evidence of collusion that later special counsel reports showed did not exist.

"By repeatedly telling these falsehoods, Representative Schiff purposely deceived his Committee, Congress, and the American people," the resolution said. It noted that Schiff "lent credibility" to the Steele dossier, supported a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Trump aide Carter Page, and publicly accused Page of being a Russian collaborator.

"Representative Schiff exploited his positions on HPSCI to encourage and excuse abusive intelligence investigations of Americans for political purposes," it said. "Representative Schiff used his position and access to sensitive information to instigate a fraudulently based investigation, which he then used to amass political gain and fundraising dollars. American taxpayers paid $32 million to fund the investigation into collusion that was launched as a result of Rep. Schiff’s lies, misrepresentations, and abuses of sensitive information," it added.

The resolution "censures and condemns" Schiff for "conduct that misleads the American people in a way that is not befitting an elected Member of the House" and declares that Schiff is fined $16 million.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/congresswoman-seeks-16-million-fine-adam-schiff-lies-trump-russia-collusion
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Gym Rat on May 24, 2023, 10:37:50 AM

A very simple question one must ask of this entire situation, is this:
Why would the government, from state and federal law enforcement agencies, State Dept, Treasury Dept, IRS, major media, big business, currently serving and retired politicians, legions of federal bureaucrats.....you name it......Why were they so intent on taking Trump down? To the point of literally FRAMING him for Treason via the fake Russiagate scandal. Treason......a death penalty level offense...

Was it because of his mean tweets?

Or was it because he was going to do what he threatened to do years before he ran for President, then threatened during his campaign, which was this:

1. Investigate, prosecute and imprison as many traitors and corrupt politicians within our government as possible
2. Reduce reliance upon foreign oil and energy
3. Reduce complete reliance upon basic life goods produce internationally
3. Secure our food chain
4. Seal the border and bring sanity to our immigration process
5. End the pointless wars. End destruction of our blood and treasure for the profit of a select few
6. Oh, and shut down the international satanic pedos power networks


And on and on and on.

Libz and Pubtardz (Anti MAGA) are all traitors, kvnts and tardz... (And Oregon caulk-sukkerz)...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 24, 2023, 10:56:54 AM
And not a single Kunt on the left is admitting how badly they were conned.  Why?   Because they knew it was BS and didnt care as long as they could use it to damage Trump. 

A very simple question one must ask of this entire situation, is this:
Why would the government, from state and federal law enforcement agencies, State Dept, Treasury Dept, IRS, major media, big business, currently serving and retired politicians, legions of federal bureaucrats.....you name it......Why were they so intent on taking Trump down? To the point of literally FRAMING him for Treason via the fake Russiagate scandal. Treason......a death penalty level offense...

Was it because of his mean tweets?

Or was it because he was going to do what he threatened to do years before he ran for President, then threatened during his campaign, which was this:

1. Investigate, prosecute and imprison as many traitors and corrupt politicians within our government as possible
2. Reduce reliance upon foreign oil and energy
3. Reduce complete reliance upon basic life goods produce internationally
3. Secure our food chain
4. Seal the border and bring sanity to our immigration process
5. End the pointless wars. End destruction of our blood and treasure for the profit of a select few
6. Oh, and shut down the international satanic pedos power networks


And on and on and on.

Libz and Pubtardz (Anti MAGA) are all traitors, kvnts and tardz... (And Oregon caulk-sukkerz)...
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 24, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4017284-durham-report-the-fbi-is-as-bad-as-you-feared-maybe-worse/
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2023, 11:38:00 PM
Hillary Clinton's plan to 'vilify' Trump by linking him to Putin was briefed to Obama and Biden before the election in 2016 - while the FBI and DOJ restricted investigations into her campaign, Durham report says
Special Counsel John Durham released his final report on Monday
It accused FBI agents of failing to look into allegations against Hillary Clinton
It contrasted that with the way it relied on the Steele Dossier against Trump
By ROB CRILLY, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 15 May 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12086891/Hillarys-plan-link-Trump-Putin-briefed-Obama-Biden-Durham-report.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 25, 2023, 12:32:04 AM
Hillary Clinton's plan to 'vilify' Trump by linking him to Putin was briefed to Obama and Biden before the election in 2016 - while the FBI and DOJ restricted investigations into her campaign, Durham report says
Special Counsel John Durham released his final report on Monday
It accused FBI agents of failing to look into allegations against Hillary Clinton
It contrasted that with the way it relied on the Steele Dossier against Trump
By ROB CRILLY, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 15 May 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12086891/Hillarys-plan-link-Trump-Putin-briefed-Obama-Biden-Durham-report.html
Criminals. Nixon had to resign over that type of shit.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 25, 2023, 05:49:49 AM
Criminals. Nixon had to resign over that type of shit.

Obama was the worst thing to happen to this country. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 25, 2023, 09:11:49 AM
Let’s do an experiment…
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: The Scott on May 25, 2023, 09:17:13 AM
The Trump-Russia Conspiracy was put forth by the same Party (Democrats) that supports pedophilia and the mutilation of our Nations Children.  And more.

If you're a Democrat you support what they support.  Never forgive these creatures and never forget why.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: The Gov on May 25, 2023, 04:34:49 PM
The Trump-Russia Conspiracy was put forth by the same Party (Democrats) that supports pedophilia and the mutilation of our Nations Children.  And more.

If you're a Democrat you support what they support.  Never forgive these creatures and never forget why.


Are you referring to StrawBitch / GroomingForBoys / TheOak / Pashtun Afghanistani/ WayneTracker ?
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 26, 2023, 01:51:09 AM
Let’s do an experiment…
Please explain.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on June 21, 2023, 11:28:44 AM
Durham: You better believe Obama, Biden, and Comey knew that this was a Hillary dirty trick
ED MORRISSEY June 21, 2023
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/06/21/durham-you-better-believe-obama-biden-and-comey-knew-that-this-was-a-hillary-dirty-trick-n559527
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on June 21, 2023, 11:37:01 AM
Durham: FBI overlooked intel Clinton masterminded plot to smear Trump, treated campaigns differently
'There were some individuals who clearly expressed a personal bias' against Trump, Durham tells Congress
By Nicholas Ballasy
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/durham-its-going-take-time-rebuild-publics-confidence-fbi-after-russia-probe?utm_source=breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2023, 11:37:30 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on June 21, 2023, 07:36:00 PM
Adam Schiff censured by House for 'false' allegations on Trump-Russia collusion
No Democrats voted with Republicans to punish Schiff
By Elizabeth Elkind | Fox News
Published June 21, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/adam-schiff-censured-house-false-allegations-trump-russia-collusion
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: jude2 on June 21, 2023, 09:43:03 PM
Adam Schiff censured by House for 'false' allegations on Trump-Russia collusion
No Democrats voted with Republicans to punish Schiff
By Elizabeth Elkind | Fox News
Published June 21, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/adam-schiff-censured-house-false-allegations-trump-russia-collusion
I wish the fine for pencil neck would have passed yesterday.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on June 22, 2023, 01:08:34 PM
I wish the fine for pencil neck would have passed yesterday.

He deserved it, but it would have set a bad precedent. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 20, 2024, 05:21:46 AM
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 20, 2024, 10:01:02 AM
Hillary is still out there saying Trump has a Russian connection. Stuck in the past.
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 20, 2024, 11:22:34 AM
How does one get away with this? Also, Nancy got a new face.



Nancy Pelosi has once again floated the tired conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is controlled by Vladimir Putin, and that the Russian leader is blackmailing Trump with “something financial.”



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-pelosi-goes-unhinged-rant-about-trump-being-blackmailed-putin
Title: Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2024, 02:07:26 PM
How does one get away with this? Also, Nancy got a new face.



Nancy Pelosi has once again floated the tired conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is controlled by Vladimir Putin, and that the Russian leader is blackmailing Trump with “something financial.”



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-pelosi-goes-unhinged-rant-about-trump-being-blackmailed-putin

lol  She thinks her supporters are stupid.