Author Topic: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory (aka The Big Lie)  (Read 225114 times)

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #475 on: March 20, 2018, 01:25:53 PM »
There is no crime called "collusion", the investigation is based on lies and crimes committed by those who triggered the investigation.

If you were to be investigated for being a pedophile based on lies - would you feel the same and want the investigation to continue for 2 years?

I would want it to be completed because I would want there to be no doubt in anyones mind, not just my followers that I am innocent. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #476 on: March 21, 2018, 09:23:54 PM »
Spot on.

Trump is right: The special counsel should never have been appointed
BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 03/21/18

President Trump is right in saying that a special counsel should never have been appointed to investigate the so-called Russian connection. There was no evidence of any crime committed by the Trump administration. But there was plenty of evidence that Russian operatives had tried to interfere with the 2016 presidential election, and perhaps other elections, in the hope of destabilizing democracy. Yet, appointing a special counsel to look for crimes, behind the closed doors of a grand jury, was precisely the wrong way to address this ongoing challenge to our democracy.

The right way would have been (and still is) to appoint a nonpartisan investigative commission, such as the one appointed following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, to conduct a broad and open investigation of the Russian involvement in our elections. This is what other democracies, such as Great Britain and Israel, do in response to systemic problems. The virtue of such a commission is precisely the nonpartisan credibility of its objective experts, who have no political stake in the outcome.

Such a commission could have informed the American public of what Russia did and how to prevent it from doing it again. It would not seek partisan benefit from its findings, the way congressional committees invariably do. Nor would it be searching for crimes in an effort to criminalize political sins, the way special counsels do to justify their existence and budget. Its only job would be to gather information and make recommendations.

The vice of a special counsel is that he is supposed to find crimes, and if he comes up empty-handed, after spending lots of taxpayer money, then he is deemed a failure. If he can’t charge the designated target — in this case, the president — he must at least charge some of those close to the target, even if it is for crimes unrelated to the special counsel’s core mandate. By indicting these low-hanging fruits, he shows that he is trying. Maybe those lesser defendants will flip and sing against higher-ups, but the problem is that the pressure to sing may cause certain defendants to “compose,” meaning make up or enhance evidence in order to get a better deal for themselves.

In this case, the appointment of a special counsel has done more harm than good. It has politicized our justice system beyond repair. The FBI deputy director has been fired for leaking and lying. His testimony appears to be in conflict with that of the former FBI director as to whether the leaks were authorized. Messages by high-ranking FBI agents suggest strong bias against Trump. A tweet by the former CIA director reveals equally strong negative views of the president. Perhaps these revelations prove nothing more than that law enforcement and national security officials are human and hold political views like everyone else.

But these views are not supposed to influence their decisions. In our age of hyperpartisanship, the public has understandably lost confidence in the ability and willingness of our leaders to separate their political views from their law enforcement decisions. This is not all attributable to the appointment of the special counsel, but the criminalization of political differences on both sides of the aisle has certainly contributed to the atmosphere of distrust in our justice system.

The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They don’t trust congressional investigative committees. They don’t know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. It’s a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russia’s attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016.

It’s not too late to try to repair some of the damage done. Let Congress now appoint a nonpartisan commission to conduct a transparent investigation of Russia’s efforts to influence our elections. Let the special counsel suspend his investigation until the nonpartisan commission issues its report. If the report identifies crimes and criminals, there will be time enough to indict and prosecute. Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we aren’t getting it from the special counsel.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/379372-trump-is-right-the-special-counsel-should-never-have-been-appointed

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #477 on: March 26, 2018, 06:55:52 AM »
Pretty complicated conspiracy theory.

Trump Expels 60 Russians, Closes Russian Consulate In Seattle After UK Chemical Attack
POLITICS 03/26/2018

The order reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday ordered the expulsion of 60 Russians from the United States and closed the Russian consulate in Seattle over a nerve agent attack earlier this month in Britain, senior U.S. officials said.

The order includes 12 Russian intelligence officers from Russia’s mission to the United Nations headquarters in New York and reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive, senior U.S. administration officials told reporters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-expels-60-russians-after-uk-chemical-attack_us_5ab8efbfe4b054d118e4f35c

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #478 on: March 26, 2018, 07:09:38 AM »
Pretty complicated conspiracy theory.

Trump Expels 60 Russians, Closes Russian Consulate In Seattle After UK Chemical Attack
POLITICS 03/26/2018

The order reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday ordered the expulsion of 60 Russians from the United States and closed the Russian consulate in Seattle over a nerve agent attack earlier this month in Britain, senior U.S. officials said.

The order includes 12 Russian intelligence officers from Russia’s mission to the United Nations headquarters in New York and reflects concerns that Russian intelligence activities have been increasingly aggressive, senior U.S. administration officials told reporters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-expels-60-russians-after-uk-chemical-attack_us_5ab8efbfe4b054d118e4f35c


Yes this is just a distraction by the dark lord and real POTUS Putin...
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #479 on: March 26, 2018, 11:31:42 AM »

Yes this is just a distraction by the dark lord and real POTUS Putin...

Everyone embracing this nutty theory needs to be fitted for a tinfoil hat. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #480 on: March 30, 2018, 01:11:33 PM »
All part of the plan.

'Satan 2' nuclear missile again test-launched by Russia, as Putin brags of 'invulnerable' arsenal
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/30/satan-2-nuclear-missile-again-test-launched-by-russia-as-putin-brags-invulnerable-arsenal.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #481 on: April 03, 2018, 12:21:01 PM »
Long but informative read. 

The Real Collusion Story
By MICHAEL DORAN
March 13, 2018
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #482 on: April 03, 2018, 01:53:30 PM »
More leaks from Mueller's team. 

Mueller Probe Into U.A.E. Influence Broadens
April 2, 2018

WASHINGTON—Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked questions about the work of a private consulting firm that has undertaken projects for the United Arab Emirates, according to people familiar with the investigation, suggesting his probe is looking more deeply at foreign influence in Washington.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probe-into-u-a-e-influence-broadens-1522718922

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #483 on: April 03, 2018, 02:46:17 PM »
More leaks from Mueller's team. 

Mueller Probe Into U.A.E. Influence Broadens
April 2, 2018

WASHINGTON—Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked questions about the work of a private consulting firm that has undertaken projects for the United Arab Emirates, according to people familiar with the investigation, suggesting his probe is looking more deeply at foreign influence in Washington.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probe-into-u-a-e-influence-broadens-1522718922


There are leaks and then there are leaks. A LEAK would be within 30 minutes of Trump getting a note from his NSA "DONT CONGRATULATE PUTIN ON WINNING THE ELECTION" that the news has it. A leak would be people who are being questioned about an incident talking about it after the fact.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #484 on: April 03, 2018, 04:30:41 PM »
Long but informative read. 

The Real Collusion Story
By MICHAEL DORAN
March 13, 2018
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

The National Review: RIGHT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com


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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #486 on: April 03, 2018, 04:36:36 PM »

There are leaks and then there are leaks. A LEAK would be within 30 minutes of Trump getting a note from his NSA "DONT CONGRATULATE PUTIN ON WINNING THE ELECTION" that the news has it. A leak would be people who are being questioned about an incident talking about it after the fact.

Leaks include the fact we know pretty much everything Mueller is doing, because his team keeps talking to select members of the media.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #487 on: April 03, 2018, 04:37:31 PM »

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #488 on: April 03, 2018, 04:38:53 PM »
The National Review: RIGHT BIAS
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

What the heck is "mediabiasfactcheck"??  Is there something in the story you'd like to dispute?  Like the fact Clinton told her subordinates to strip classified markings off a document and email it to her? 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #489 on: April 03, 2018, 06:53:23 PM »
Leaks include the fact we know pretty much everything Mueller is doing, because his team keeps talking to select members of the media.

I would disagree and say we know only what people who were being questioned chose to release. Can't control that..

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #490 on: April 03, 2018, 07:03:27 PM »
I would disagree and say we know only what people who were being questioned chose to release. Can't control that..

You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #491 on: April 03, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
There is no crime called "collusion", the investigation is based on lies and crimes committed by those who triggered the investigation.

If you were to be investigated for being a pedophile based on lies - would you feel the same and want the investigation to continue for 2 years?

This is exactly right.

You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

This is also exactly right.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #492 on: April 03, 2018, 07:25:34 PM »
You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

Now you are guilty of what you accuse me of. People familiar with the investigation could be and is likely those who were questioned. "Those who are working the case" would be mueller. I understand you want it to be Mueller.. but the facts don't back you up

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #493 on: April 03, 2018, 07:26:32 PM »
This is exactly right.

This is also exactly right.

No, it isn't exactly right, but I'm sure he appreciates your undying and unswerving support

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #494 on: April 03, 2018, 07:27:11 PM »
Well...
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #495 on: April 03, 2018, 07:43:12 PM »
Now you are guilty of what you accuse me of. People familiar with the investigation could be and is likely those who were questioned. "Those who are working the case" would be mueller. I understand you want it to be Mueller.. but the facts don't back you up

Yes, someone from the United Arab Emirates, rather than someone working for Mueller, is familiar with the investigation and talked to the press.  Makes perfect sense. 

You people twist yourself in knots to embrace things that fit your phony narrative. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #496 on: April 03, 2018, 07:46:09 PM »
Well...

I'm actually surprised.  Not because Trump broke the law (he didn't), but because I thought Mueller would try and accuse him of something. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #497 on: April 03, 2018, 08:26:14 PM »
Yes, someone from the United Arab Emirates, rather than someone working for Mueller, is familiar with the investigation and talked to the press.  Makes perfect sense. 

You people twist yourself in knots to embrace things that fit your phony narrative. 

I will defer to your expertise in conducting investigations. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #498 on: April 03, 2018, 08:37:34 PM »
I will defer to your expertise in conducting investigations.  

You don't have to be an expert in conducting investigations.  You just need to know how to read.  And not be an ideologue.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #499 on: April 03, 2018, 08:39:27 PM »
This headline is pretty funny.  Bunch of delusional leftwing nuts.

Mueller Reportedly Is Making A List Of All The Stuff Trump Has Done In Office
The special counsel has also told the president’s lawyers that Trump is not a criminal target at this point.
By Nick Visser
04/03/2018

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-trump-report_us_5ac42c87e4b063ce2e56fd13