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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #600 on: May 22, 2018, 11:50:25 AM »
Very long but informative timeline. 

“Collusion against Trump” timeline
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https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/05/20/collusion-against-trump-timeline/

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #601 on: May 22, 2018, 11:58:58 AM »
It seems the Washington Post has named someone they claim is the informant (or one of a number of informants):

Who is Stefan A. Halper, the FBI source who assisted the Russia investigation?

Stefan A. Halper, the FBI source who assisted the Russia investigation and is at the center of a standoff between congressional Republicans and the Justice Department, is a well-connected veteran of past GOP administrations who convened senior intelligence officials for seminars at the University of Cambridge in England.

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After the 1980 race, Halper was caught up in a scandal concerning alleged political spying. Aides to Reagan, including Halper, were accused of having spied on Carter’s campaign and obtaining private documents that Carter was using to prepare for a debate. Some Reagan White House officials later alleged that Halper had used former CIA agents to run an operation against Carter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-is-stefan-a-halper-the-fbi-source-who-assisted-the-russia-investigation/2018/05/21/22c46caa-5d42-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #602 on: May 22, 2018, 12:31:10 PM »
thou doth protest too much
Overly insistent about something, to the point where the opposite is most likely true.
Someone emphatically stating how much one hates gossiping, that one would never engage in this sort of behavior. This implies that, "thou doth protest too much" and may in fact be a gossip.
#twoface#liar#bluffing#manipulative#unreliable

This is also the definition of Trump's behavior.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #603 on: May 22, 2018, 01:44:42 PM »
thou doth protest too much
Overly insistent about something, to the point where the opposite is most likely true.
Someone emphatically stating how much one hates gossiping, that one would never engage in this sort of behavior. This implies that, "thou doth protest too much" and may in fact be a gossip.
#twoface#liar#bluffing#manipulative#unreliable

This is also the definition of Trump's behavior.

Oh that's absurd.  He has every right to be screaming bloody murder.  The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and used Clinton/DNC/Russian unverified opposition research to do so.  And now it turns out they had one and possibly two spies in the Trump campaign being paid by the FBI??  Are you kidding me? 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #604 on: May 22, 2018, 02:11:31 PM »
Oh that's absurd.  He has every right to be screaming bloody murder.  The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and used Clinton/DNC/Russian unverified opposition research to do so.  And now it turns out they had one and possibly two spies in the Trump campaign being paid by the FBI??  Are you kidding me? 
That's what they are reduced to as more and more comes out. "He keeps saying he is innocent so he must be guilty!"

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #605 on: May 22, 2018, 02:14:39 PM »
That's what they are reduced to as more and more comes out. "He keeps saying he is innocent so he must be guilty!"

Not only that, but you have people like Clapper saying it was a "good thing" to have a spy in the Trump campaign.  Unbelievable. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #606 on: May 22, 2018, 02:15:35 PM »
OK? So the FBI does it's job and investigates possible illegal activity and that's wrong?

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.  Read the link I just posted in this thread and get back to me.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #607 on: May 22, 2018, 03:29:09 PM »
Not only that, but you have people like Clapper saying it was a "good thing" to have a spy in the Trump campaign.  Unbelievable. 

Candidates and their campaign managers violate election ethics and are sometimes exposed and fined. It might be wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if all candidates played by the same rules? It's disturbing to realize the person you voted for is unethical and a liar. Oh, wait!

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #608 on: May 22, 2018, 03:30:50 PM »
Candidates and their campaign managers violate election ethics and are sometimes exposed and fined. It might be wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if all candidates played by the same rules? It's disturbing to realize the person you voted for is unethical and a liar. Oh, wait!

You knew Hillary Clinton was an unethical liar before you voted for her. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #609 on: May 22, 2018, 03:35:34 PM »
Get back to you? You're not my boyfriend.


Bruh.  Go back under the rock you climbed out from under. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #610 on: May 22, 2018, 05:15:49 PM »
The lib snowflakes didn't want to believe Trump could beat Hillary. He did.
Trump supporters refuse to believe this Mueller investigation and Stormy Daniels type
sex scandals are a real problem. They are.

Ridiclue and joking about the real damage being done isn't what the Trumpers want to hear.
Holding your head in the sand won't make it go away.


This is a crazy time. I'm not sure we've ever experienced anything like it before. Watergate and Whitewater pale by comparison, plus they're water under the bridge.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #611 on: May 23, 2018, 05:05:37 PM »
The plot sickens.  What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Grassley rips Strzok-Page redactions amid mystery text: Obama 'White House is running this'
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/23/grassley-rips-strzok-page-redactions-amid-mystery-text-obama-white-house-is-running-this.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #612 on: May 24, 2018, 10:11:54 AM »
8 signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump's campaign
BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/23/18
 
It may be true that President Trump illegally conspired with Russia and was so good at covering it up he’s managed to outwit our best intel and media minds who've searched for irrefutable evidence for two years. (We still await special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings.)

But there’s a growing appearance of alleged wrongdoing equally as insidious, if not more so, because it implies widespread misuse of America’s intelligence and law enforcement apparatus.

Here are eight signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump for political reasons.

Code name

The operation reportedly had at least one code name that was leaked to The New York Times: “Crossfire Hurricane.”

Wiretap fever

Secret surveillance was conducted on no fewer than seven Trump associates: chief strategist Stephen Bannon; lawyer Michael Cohen; national security adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn; adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner; campaign chairman Paul Manafort; and campaign foreign policy advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

The FBI reportedly applied for a secret warrant in June 2016 to monitor Manafort, Page, Papadopoulos and Flynn. If true, it means the FBI targeted Flynn six months before his much-debated conversation with Russia’s ambassador, Sergey Kislyak.

The FBI applied four times to wiretap Page after he became a Trump campaign adviser starting in July 2016. Page’s office is connected to Trump Tower and he reports having spent “many hours in Trump Tower.”

CNN reported that Manafort was wiretapped before and after the election “including during a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Trump.” Manafort reportedly has a residence in Trump Tower.

Electronic surveillance was used to listen in on three Trump transition officials in Trump Tower — Flynn, Bannon and Kushner — as they met in an official capacity with the United Arab Emirates’ crown prince.

The FBI also reportedly wiretapped Flynn’s phone conversation with Kislyak on Dec. 31, 2016, as part of “routine surveillance” of Kislyak.

NBC recently reported that Cohen, Trump’s personal attorney, was wiretapped. NBC later corrected the story, saying Cohen was the subject of a “pen register” used to monitor phone numbers and, possibly, internet communications.

National security letters

Another controversial tool reportedly used by the FBI to obtain phone records and other documents in the investigation were national security letters, which bypass judicial approval.

Improper use of such letters has been an ongoing theme at the FBI. Reviews by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General found widespread misuse under Mueller — who was then FBI director — and said officials failed to report instances of abuses as required.

Unmasking

“Unmasking” — identifying protected names of Americans captured by government surveillance — was frequently deployed by at least four top Obama officials who have subsequently spoken out against President Trump: James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence; Samantha Power, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations; Susan Rice, former national security adviser; Sally Yates, former deputy attorney general.

Names of Americans caught communicating with monitored foreign targets must be “masked,” or hidden within government agencies, so the names cannot be misused or shared.

However, it’s been revealed that Power made near-daily unmasking requests in 2016.

Prior to that revelation, Clapper claimed ignorance. When asked if he knew of unmasking requests by any ambassador, including Power, he testified: “I don't know. Maybe it's ringing a vague bell but I'm not — I could not answer with any confidence.”

Rice admitted to asking for unmasked names of U.S. citizens in intelligence reports after initially claiming no knowledge of any such thing.

Clapper also admitted to requesting the unmasking of “Mr. Trump, his associates or any members of Congress.” Clapper and Yates admitted they also personally reviewed unmasked documents and shared unmasked material with other officials.

Changing the rules

On Dec. 15, 2016 — the same day the government listened in on Trump officials at Trump Tower — Rice reportedly unmasked the names of Bannon, Kushner and Flynn. And Clapper made a new rule allowing the National Security Agency to widely disseminate surveillance material within the government without the normal privacy protections.

Media strategy

Former CIA Director John Brennan and Clapper, two of the most integral intel officials in this ongoing controversy, have joined national news organizations where they have regular opportunities to shape the news narrative — including on the very issues under investigation.

Clapper reportedly secretly leaked salacious political opposition research against Trump to CNN in fall 2017 and later was hired as a CNN political analyst. In February, Brennan was hired as a paid analyst for MSNBC.

Leaks

There’s been a steady and apparently orchestrated campaign of leaks — some true, some false, but nearly all of them damaging to President Trump’s interests.

A few of the notable leaks include word that Flynn was wiretapped, the anti-Trump “Steele dossier” of political opposition research, then-FBI Director James Comey briefing Trump on it, private Comey conversations with Trump, Comey’s memos recording those conversations and criticizing Trump, the subpoena of Trump’s personal bank records (which proved false) and Flynn planning to testify against Trump (which also proved to be false).

Friends, informants and snoops

The FBI reportedly used one-time CIA operative Stefan Halper in 2016 as an informant to spy on Trump officials.

Another player is Comey friend Daniel Richman, a Columbia University law professor, who leaked Comey’s memos against Trump to The New York Times after Comey was fired. We later learned that Richman actually worked for the FBI under a status called “Special Government Employee.”

The FBI used former reporter Glenn Simpson, his political opposition research firm Fusion GPS, and ex-British spy Christopher Steele to compile allegations against Trump, largely from Russian sources, which were distributed to the press and used as part of wiretap applications.

These eight features of a counterintelligence operation are only the pieces we know. It can be assumed there’s much we don’t yet know. And it may help explain why there’s so much material that the Department of Justice hasn’t easily handed over to congressional investigators.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/388978-growing-signs-of-a-counterintelligence-operation-deployed-against-trumps

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #613 on: May 24, 2018, 10:45:09 AM »
Good analysis.

Can Trump lawfully investigate his investigators?

This past weekend, President Donald Trump suggested that his presidential campaign may have been the victim of spies or moles who were FBI informants or undercover agents. He demanded an investigation to get to the bottom of the matter.

At the same time that the president was fuming over this, Republican congressional leaders were fuming about the reluctance of senior officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI to turn over documents that might reveal political origins of the current criminal investigation of the president by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Can the president intercede in a federal criminal investigation of which he himself is a subject? Can Congress intercede in a DOJ criminal investigation? Here is the back story.

Mueller was named special counsel so he could investigate serious and demonstrable evidence of Russian government interference in the 2016 presidential election. Because the Trump campaign met with Russian intelligence officials offering campaign assistance, implicit in that investigation is an inquiry into whether the Trump campaign invited foreign interference and agreed to accept or facilitate it.

Mueller is seeking to determine whether there was an agreement between the Trump campaign and any foreign person, entity or government to receive anything of value for the campaign. Such an agreement plus a material step in furtherance of it taken by any of those who joined the agreement would itself constitute the crime of conspiracy, even if the agreed-upon thing of value never arrived.

In the course of examining evidence for the existence of this alleged conspiracy -- which Trump has forcefully denied many times -- Mueller's prosecutors and FBI agents have come upon evidence of other crimes. They have obtained 19 indictments -- some for financial crimes, some for lying to FBI agents and some for foreign interference in the election -- and four guilty pleas for lying, in which those who pleaded guilty agreed to assist the government.

Nine of the indictments are against Russian intelligence agents, whom the president himself promptly sanctioned by barring their travel here and their use of American banks and commercial enterprises, even though he has called Mueller's investigation a witch hunt.

Mueller has also come upon evidence of obstruction of justice by the president while in office and financial crimes prior to entering office, all of which Trump has denied. Obstruction of justice consists of interfering with a judicial proceeding -- such as a grand jury's hearing evidence -- for a corrupt purpose.

Thus, if Trump fired FBI Director James Comey because he didn't trust him or because he wanted his own person in that job, that was his presidential prerogative, but Trump's purpose was corrupt if he fired Comey because Comey would not deny that the president was the subject of a criminal investigation -- a basis for firing surprisingly offered publicly by one of the president's own lawyers.

The potential financial crimes appear to be in the areas of bank fraud -- making material misrepresentations to banks to obtain loans -- and money laundering, or the passage of ill-gotten gains through numerous bank accounts so as to make the gains appear lawful. These, too, Trump has denied.

It seems that the deeper Mueller and his team dig the more they find. As lawyers and as federal prosecutors, Mueller's team members have ethical obligations to uncover whatever evidence of crime they come upon and, when professionally feasible and legally appropriate, either prosecute or pass the evidence on to other federal prosecutors, as they did in the case of evidence of fraud against Michael Cohen, a former confidant and lawyer for Trump before he was president.

Now, back to Trump's eruption about FBI spies or moles.

The president cannot interfere with criminal investigations against himself without running the risk of additional charges of obstruction of justice -- interference with a judicial process (the gathering of evidence and its presentation to a grand jury) for a corrupt purpose (impeding his own prosecution or impeachment). Nor can members of Congress see whatever they want in the midst of a criminal investigation, particularly if they might share whatever they see with the person being investigated.

Prosecutors have a privilege to keep their files secret until they reach the time that the law provides for them to go public. Because Mueller is faced with the legal equivalent of assembling a 10,000-piece jigsaw puzzle, he is not yet ready to show his cards. If his cards contain materials from confidential sources -- people whose identities he promised not to reveal -- or if his cards contain evidence he presented to a grand jury, he may not lawfully reveal what he has until it is time to exonerate the president, indict him or present a report to Mueller's DOJ superiors that is intended for the House of Representatives.

Can the president investigate his investigators?

Yes -- but not until the investigation of him is completed. That's because no one can fruitfully examine the legitimacy of the origins of the case against Trump without knowing the evidence and the charges. Trump's allegations are of extreme scandal -- the use of FBI assets by the Obama administration to impede his presidential campaign. Yet if he is exonerated, those allegations will lose their sting. If he is charged with crimes or impeachable offenses that do not have their origins in politically charged spying, then his allegations will be moot.

But if he were to force the DOJ to turn over raw investigative files now to politicians who want to help him, he might very well be impeding the criminal case against him. That would be profoundly threatening to the rule of law, for it provides that no man can be the prosecutor or the judge in his own case. Even Trump's lawyers acknowledge that he could not lawfully do that.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/24/judge-andrew-napolitano-can-trump-lawfully-investigate-his-investigators.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #614 on: May 24, 2018, 12:07:40 PM »
I've kept up with the case and it's obvious what team Trump is trying to pull.

It's the FBI's job to investigate any domestic criminal activity.
Pres. trump acts indignant about the FBI investigating criminal acts within his campaign.

 Mueller has got 5 guilty please and 19 criminal indictments ( and counting).
Gen Flynn plead guilty and he was Trumps national sec advisor ( for the 1st couple mos).

Trump's attempting to paint the law enforcement investigating as the criminals.

Same tired old tactic tried by plenty of guilty people. aka " I was framed "


If you have “kept up with the case,” which I doubt, then you would know the indictments and guilty pleas have absolutely nothing to do with Trump and collusion with Russia.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #615 on: May 24, 2018, 05:21:37 PM »
I'd be the first to say that Trump has NOT been found guilty of any collusion or criminal acts so far.
If the investigation reveals he wasn't, I'll be happy to post it and say Trump was proven right.

BUT

Will you admit the investigation was fair if they find Trump was directly involved in collusion or crimes?
You won't use the lame "deep state " excuse, right?

No one has been found guilty of any crimes related to Trump or collusion with Russia. 

This entire investigation is a farce.  I don't care what the findings are.  I fully expect Muller to write some report making enough disparaging comments about Trump to keep this kooky conspiracy theory in the front of liberals minds.  That's actually going to help them, because they don't have anything else to run on in 2018.

There is nothing lame about "deep state."  If you were actually keeping up with the case you wouldn't be saying this kind of foolishness.  This could turn out to be the biggest political scandal in American history.   

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #616 on: May 24, 2018, 05:53:44 PM »
No one has been found guilty of any crimes related to Trump or collusion with Russia. 

This entire investigation is a farce.  I don't care what the findings are.  I fully expect Muller to write some report making enough disparaging comments about Trump to keep this kooky conspiracy theory in the front of liberals minds.  That's actually going to help them, because they don't have anything else to run on in 2018.

There is nothing lame about "deep state."  If you were actually keeping up with the case you wouldn't be saying this kind of foolishness.  This could turn out to be the biggest political scandal in American history.   

Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of. None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #617 on: May 24, 2018, 05:59:12 PM »
Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of. None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign.

Correct.  Nothing to do with Trump or collusion with Russia. 

And think about this:  in most offices the prosecutors have lots of cases.  This guy has an army prosecutors and they only have one case.  If there was any thing there, and I mean anything, we would know about it.  That should give you an idea of how weak this entire conspiracy theory is. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #618 on: May 24, 2018, 06:31:53 PM »
Mueller should be on trial along with Clinton. The entire "investigation" is a sham and waste of taxpayers money.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #619 on: May 24, 2018, 08:57:56 PM »
Mueller should be on trial along with Clinton. The entire "investigation" is a sham and waste of taxpayers money.

You are an idiot., Hope this helps

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #620 on: May 25, 2018, 11:40:11 AM »
Ok, just to be clear, let me summarize your view on this.

Pres. Trump can't/won't be guilty of any crimnal acts, REGARDLESS of  what the Mueller investigation concludes?


Just to be clear, my view is exactly what I said. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #621 on: May 25, 2018, 05:54:33 PM »
Correct.  Nothing to do with Trump or collusion with Russia. 

And think about this:  in most offices the prosecutors have lots of cases.  This guy has an army prosecutors and they only have one case.  If there was any thing there, and I mean anything, we would know about it.  That should give you an idea of how weak this entire conspiracy theory is. 

So far.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #622 on: May 25, 2018, 06:01:19 PM »

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #623 on: May 27, 2018, 02:00:44 PM »
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #624 on: May 27, 2018, 07:00:28 PM »
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Trump should be counting his blessings rather than asking this question.