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these breed restriction laws are really fucked up...i know miami and denver have bans on pits already...anyone who has had a pit knows what a great dog they are...i'm not from cali but you can still sign this petition to stop sb861...
http://www.petitiononline.com/NOBSL/petition.html
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pisses me off.Pits are the best looking dogs in the world.
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They imposed a ban on pit bulls here in Ontario.
Pet owners who currently have pits are allowed to keep them, but they must be spayed / neutered, and muzzled at all times when out of the home. No new pit bulls are allowed into the province.
Just before the ban went into effect, alot of pit owners gave up their dogs to the Humane Society, reasoning it would be too much of a hassle to keep them, ...and at the same time, alot of others went out of their way to adopt these animals from the Humane Society, to ensure they wouldn't be "put down" after the ban went into effect.
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They should ban bad owners.
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They should ban bad owners.
correct.
idiots ruin it for everyone. people who let aggressive dogs run wild around others are right up there with racists and car thiefs. should be kneecapped upon arrest, no questions asked.
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i am looking at a pit as we speak and this is bullshit i have a bull mastiff(250+lbs) right now and i know how people are afraid of dogs but fuck California
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Body88...what's your take on this? Aren't you a dog lover? just curious.
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hahahahah how many asinine laws will they come up with?
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I've been asked to make this a sticky and I agree. It's not the dog's fault or "in their character" to be violent, but what a d-head human may try to make them that makes them objectionable to society.
Better to ban/exile/educate the humans that are turning this breed into a pariah.
We just had a few articles about dog-fighting that is prevalent in our area in our newspaper. The jagoffs that engage in this make me sick.
One of the nicest dogs I've ever known (and one that helped me to get past my fear of dogs) was a pitbull.
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I've been asked to make this a sticky and I agree. It's not the dog's fault or "in their character" to be violent, but what a d-head human may try to make them that makes them objectionable to society.
Better to ban/exile/educate the humans that are turning this breed into a pariah.
We just had a few articles about dog-fighting that is prevalent in our area in our newspaper. The jagoffs that engage in this make me sick.
One of the nicest dogs I've ever known (and one that helped me to get past my fear of dogs) was a pitbull.
Ahem... {pssst} STella, the word is "JERK-offs"
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I don't know about this pit bull thing...... I understand the point about the bad owners... However about a 2-3 years ago i remember hearing on the news about an 11 year old boy who was walking home from school and got attacked by a pitt bull. The kid died. So it's hard for me hear about how they aren't dangerous.
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I don't know about this pit bull thing...... I understand the point about the bad owners... However about a 2-3 years ago i remember hearing on the news about an 11 year old boy who was walking home from school and got attacked by a pitt bull. The kid died. So it's hard for me hear about how they aren't dangerous.
well I can understand where ya come from ....but more than likely someone had purposely made that dog mean...and the kid paid the price. JMO
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well I can understand where ya come from ....but more than likely someone had purposely made that dog mean...and the kid paid the price. JMO
Hence the desire for the ban. There's no question the problem is with bad dog owners rather than the breed, however, bad dog owners only come to light AFTER a vicious attack. And in some cases, pits with good owners have attacked as well. We recently had a case here in Toronto where a pit bull attacked a little girl who she had played with for years. The girl grew up next to the dog, and had a great relationship with the dog and the dog owner. One day, the dog out of the blue attacked the little girl. The owner who was beside herself with grief had the dog put down. Pits have a jaw that locks, and that makes them especially dangerous.
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I don't know about this pit bull thing...... I understand the point about the bad owners... However about a 2-3 years ago i remember hearing on the news about an 11 year old boy who was walking home from school and got attacked by a pitt bull. The kid died. So it's hard for me hear about how they aren't dangerous.
pits by nature are very people friendly....in fact if you read up on the breed it will tell you that pits dont even make good watch dogs becuase they love people so much...i bet that dog was abused and mistreated by his owner...its also true that in alot of these cases the dogs are really some type of mix breed...but because it may be part pit or resemble a pit in some way, the media labels it as a pit bull only.
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Hence the desire for the ban. There's no question the problem is with bad dog owners rather than the breed, however, bad dog owners only come to light AFTER a vicious attack. And in some cases, pits with good owners have attacked as well. We recently had a case here in Toronto where a pit bull attacked a little girl who she had played with for years. The girl grew up next to the dog, and had a great relationship with the dog and the dog owner. One day, the dog out of the blue attacked the little girl. The owner who was beside herself with grief had the dog put down. Pits have a jaw that locks, and that makes them especially dangerous.
i'm not saying your making that up but i would bet there is more to the story than that.
and pit bulls do not have jaws that lock...there in absolutely no mechanism for a pits jaw to lock....that is one of the many myths of the pit bull.
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i'm not saying your making that up but i would bet there is more to the story than that.
Yah there was. The pit bull had just had pups.
and pit bulls do not have jaws that lock...there in absolutely no mechanism for a pits jaw to lock....that is one of the many myths of the pit bull.
Thanks for setting me straight.
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heres just a couple of the myths about pit bulls.....
MYTH: All Pit Bulls are mean and vicious.
It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.
These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.
Any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic in these situations result in failure of the test. The achievement of Pit Bulls in this study disproves that they are inherently aggressive to people. (Please visit ATTS.org)
MYTH: A Pit Bull that shows aggression towards an animal will go for people next.
"Many working breeds have antipathy towards other animals - coonhounds go mad at the sight of a raccoon, foxhounds will not hesitate to tear a dog-like fox to shreds, greyhounds live to chase and maul rabbits and even dog-like coyotes. Even the ever-friendly beagle will slaughter a rabbit, given the chance.
And yet the greyhound, coon and foxhound and beagle are among the friendliest of breeds towards humans. And it is the same with the pit bulldog. His work through the years has been control of other animals - never humans. A correct pit bull is more often than not submissive toward all humans, and adores children.
MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.
Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.
There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.
MYTH: Pit Bulls brains swell/never stop growing.
This rumor started with the Doberman, and has since been said about game-bred dogs in general. The concept of an animal's brain swelling or growing too large and somehow causing the animal to "go crazy" is not based in truth in any way.
Their brains grow at the same rate as any other dog, and the only time that a Pit Bull's brain is going to swell is if it receives a serious injury. If an animal's brain were to grow too big for its head, the animal would die.
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its stupid. i think little heel biters and jack russels should be banned they attack every damn time they see some 1. i have pits and there great dogs. i live in california aswell and i dont think this will pass.
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I think they are like people,some good some bad. I have also heard horror stories about Rotweilers,but the one or two that I have known have been very gentle and "MARMADUKE" like....if that makes sense.
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This is right up there with the “ban” on gay marriage. :'(
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Body88...what's your take on this? Aren't you a dog lover? just curious.
Glad you asked. I had owned a pitbull (Damien) a few years ago before he passed away. I now own an American bulldog whom is a bully type dog like a pitbull.
These bans and laws are ridiculous. I had a woman scared to pet my 5 month old puppy for fear he would attack her. I told the woman three times it was not a pitbull and even if it was there is no reason he would just attack her. I asked her where she got the idea pitbulls where vicious people attacking monsters and she explained to me she had red it in the "paper".
This is the problem. The news only reports of stories of dog attacks and alot of the time the stories do not even involve dogs like pitbulls.Also alot of the times the news does not include all the facts. Here is an example. I watchjed a news story a story a few years back of a akita severly mauling a small girl. When I read the full story in the paper the girl has been left alone with the animal and poked it in the face.Now the situation is terrible and I wish it could have never happened but the facts are the negligence of the parents led to there little girl being mauled. Dogs cannot tell you they are annoyed. Dogs cannot tell you to stop poking. There hands are there mouth.It does not make the situation any better but it shows that if you would like to own something capable of hurting people (genreally older folks or kids) you must be held accountable and responsible. The news loves a bad guy and sadly this horrible reputation is cast on the dogs. You want to pass laws against pits and other breeds. Make the owners criminally accountable. Banning will not solve a thing. Then all the idiots will move on to another breed. What are you going to ban every breed in the world? Cock spaniels have more recorded bites than pitbulls. Should we ban that breed two?
The OWNERS are responsible for hoe there dog acts. Ghetto ass little crack dealing scumbags have latched on to the idea that a pitbull can protect them or make them tough. fact is pitbulls are NOT people aggressive. They can be if tempted or trained but don't you think k9's would be pits if they where such people haters? Pitbulls love to please there master. They do have fighting lineage and sometimes by nature will be animal aggressive. Most all dominant breeds cannot have two sexually mature males in one place. American bulldogs, Pitbulls,Presa Canarios, Dogos etc. Pitbulls can be very animal aggressive but they are NOT aggressive to humans by nature.
Anytime you see this crap one the news it is usually the inner city. Some stupid owner who has no idea how to take care of a dominant breed of dog. There are differences in how you treat and raise dogs like this. Things you need to be educated about. You see these idiots covering the dogs as monsters with no regard for human life. It is such bullshit!
There will always be freak accidents with dogs. You should never leave as child alone with large dogs. That goes for ANY breed not just pitbulls. Children bite, pull, poke and hurt. If you go back and look at most of the attacks on kids I bet 80 percent of them could have been prevented or outright stopped before they got serious. it is always the dogs fault.
The facts are pitbulls are the new tough guys dog. it was Rottys before now it is pits. The WRONG type of people own the pits you see attacking people. Uneducated insecure tough guys who exploit the breed and give it the horrible name you see. Loser dog fighters and alot of genrally mean people who make them mean. They are very strong and will never give up. This is the recipe for disaster. it is a damn shame as my pit was the best dog in the world. You hardlt ever see people who know how to train and socilize a pit having trouble with the breed. They are actually great with kids and very loyal companions.
Here is a shot of my KILLER ::) ::) ::) bully breed puppy. He is an American bulldog and often mistaken for a large pitbull. he is so sweet and would not hurt a fly. I have taken him to puppy training as well as trained him for countless hours myself. he is socialized and sweet. My neighbor has a beagle named chippy. he weighs 14 lbs. he has bitten 4 people and is mean as hell. It is NOTY the breed it is the owner and lack of education on how to train your animal. Yes some dogs can be very mean by nature. But that is a mental issue and a responsible owner would humanly uthinize a mentally unstable dog. My neighbor is an idiot and it reflects with his animals.
My pup is a lover not a fighter!
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A vicious breed owned mainly by morons who see them as some sort of status symbol, or because it makes them feel kinda tough. Good riddance I say
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A vicious breed owned mainly by morons who see them as some sort of status symbol, or because it makes them feel kinda tough. Good riddance I say
Diesel look at this unbiased. Pitbulls are not a "viscous" breed. What is your favorite breed of dog? I bet you if you hung out with a properly socialized pitbull for a few weeks your opinions would change. They are extremley athletic playful and loyal.
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This is right up there with the “ban” on gay marriage. :'(
He has kind of the same markings as my pup 8) He is a very handsome pup!
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I am not delusional like some pit lovers. Some pit lover think the breed can do not wrong and are perfect. No dog breed is perfect. There will always be owners who have no idea how to own and train animals capable of hurting people severely. There will always be freak accidents with animals. Or unfortunate situations. But the fact is pitbulls are not aggresive to humans by nature.
Pitbulls are very strong. They will never give up and have a massive bite pressure. They are awesome dogs but also need to be trained and properly socialized. This goes for ANY large breed. This is especially true for dominant types like pitbulls, rottys or dobermans.
Owners should be held accountable. if some fool lets there dog off the leash and it attacks a person. Do an investigation. look at the dogs owner his envirment. Did the owner take the time to socialize the dog? Has he had all his shots? Is there evidence of fighting and or training for aggression? All things that would explain an unprovoked attack. If so they should be prosecuted. I mean prosecuted for real. Not misdemeanor or civil type shit.
You can walk into walmart and buy a shotgun. But they want to ban pits :o
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I think they are like people,some good some bad. I have also heard horror stories about Rotweilers,but the one or two that I have known have been very gentle and "MARMADUKE" like....if that makes sense.
Malamute 8)
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Diesel look at this unbiased. Pitbulls are not a "viscous" breed. What is your favorite breed of dog? I bet you if you hung out with a properly socialized pitbull for a few weeks your opinions would change. They are extremley athletic playful and loyal.
My view is unbiased. The history and lineage of these dogs is a breed bred to be strong with powerful jaws to control bulls. Later on to be used in bull and bear baiting and then dog fighting
You see... there are a small minority of responsible owners like you that know how to properly keep and handle these dogs. Then there are the rest that like these dogs because of their vicious nature and spoil it for the rest of you.
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My view is unbiased. The history and lineage of these dogs is a breed bred to be strong with powerful jaws to control bulls. Later on to be used in bull and bear baiting and then dog fighting
You see... there are a small minority of responsible owners like you that know how to properly keep and handle these dogs. Then there are the rest that like these dogs because of their vicious nature and spoil it for the rest of you.
I agree with you 100 percent on some of your points. But by the logic of the lawmakers trying to pass this bill. You should not be able to legally own a fast car. You should not be able to own a sport bike. You should not be able to own a drag racing car. How many times do young teens in fast cars make the mistake of driving above there ability crashing into and killing an Innocent car full off people. Same with sport bikes causing accidents. Should it be illegal to own sportbikes?The flaw in this is should you ban the activity so all suffer(even the responsible) or prosecute those who abuse the privilege more aggressively? I say option 2. If you ban pits the fools will just move on to another breed. Pitbulls where also breed to be very loyal to there master. They are not aggressive to humans by nature. I'm sorry but no ignorant law maker is going to ban a breed I love to get votes and please people whom are looking for vindication. You cannot blame an entire breed for the actions of some. And even then people are the ones to blame.If these cases went solely by unstable dogs and had nothing to do with the negligence or irresponsibility of owners there would be no statistics on pit attacks as they would be much less frequent. Kinda sounds familiar right? All Muslims are evil you know? All Jews are cheap. All Italians are scoundrels. All Greeks are gay. You get the point.
Don't get me wrong diesel I can see why you would feel the way you do. This breed has gotten such a bad rap it is hard to believe people can actually see through the bullshit at this point. I also respect the fact you may not particularly like pitbulls. But I do believe they should not be banned.
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You see... there are a small minority of responsible owners like you that know how to properly keep and handle these dogs. Then there are the rest that like these dogs because of their vicious nature and spoil it for the rest of you.
responsible pit owners that know how to handle these dogs???? what is that supposed to mean....pits are by nature more friendly, good natured, good temperment dogs than most other breeds.
vicious by nature??? you really need to do some research on the breed before you make comments like that...because its clear that you know nothing about them.
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responsible pit owners that know how to handle these dogs???? what is that supposed to mean....pits are by nature more friendly, good natured, good temperament dogs than most other breeds.
vicious by nature??? you really need to do some research on the breed before you make comments like that...because its clear that you know nothing about them.
People are just uneducated that is the problem. Like you said these dogs are good natured and good tempered. People only see pits when they are in situations where there strength and tenacity gives the impression that is how they are by nature. But you must be educated on the breed before you own one. They are a littler harder to handle than say a lab.
St Bernards are far more aggresive towards humans but since they are cute and cuddly no one wants to run and ban those. They can weigh up to 200 lbs and could seriouly hurt a grown man nevermind a child.
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I agree with you 100 percent on some of your points. But by the logic of the lawmakers trying to pass this bill. You should not be able to legally own a fast car. You should not be able to own a sport bike. You should not be able to own a drag racing car. How many times do young teens in fast cars make the mistake of driving above there ability crashing into and killing an Innocent car full off people. Same with sport bikes causing accidents. Should it be illegal to own sportbikes?The flaw in this is should you ban the activity so all suffer(even the responsible) or prosecute those who abuse the privilege more aggressively? I say option 2. If you ban pits the fools will just move on to another breed. Pitbulls where also breed to be very loyal to there master. They are not aggressive to humans by nature. I'm sorry but no ignorant law maker is going to ban a breed I love to get votes and please people whom are looking for vindication. You cannot blame an entire breed for the actions of some. And even then people are the ones to blame.If these cases went solely by unstable dogs and had nothing to do with the negligence or irresponsibility of owners there would be no statistics on pit attacks as they would be much less frequent. Kinda sounds familiar right? All Muslims are evil you know? All Jews are cheap. All Italians are scoundrels. All Greeks are gay. You get the point.
Don't get me wrong diesel I can see why you would feel the way you do. This breed has gotten such a bad rap it is hard to believe people can actually see through the bullshit at this point. I also respect the fact you may not particularly like pitbulls. But I do believe they should not be banned.
It's not that I don't the dog itself, just the mongs that own them. Sadly for this type of dog they attract knuckle-draggers like shit attracts flies. knuckle-draggers + Pitbull = disaster waiting to happen.
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It's not that I don't the dog itself, just the mongs that own them. Sadly for this type of dog they attract knuckle-draggers like shit attracts flies. knuckle-draggers + Pitbull = disaster waiting to happen.
Your argument is sound and it is good to see a person on the other side of the issue not just hurling myths around.
My one question to you is this. If they do in fact ban pits and the knuckle draggers move onto dobermans or akitas what should they do?
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responsible pit owners that know how to handle these dogs???? what is that supposed to mean....
I think even a simpleton such as you can work out what that means
vicious by nature??? you really need to do some research on the breed before you make comments like that...because its clear that you know nothing about them.
Maybe you should look into the history of the breed and why and what they were bred for before you make any comments.
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Common Traits and things to expect from the breed are:
High levels of exercise EVERY DAY
A wonderful family dog
A very "people loving" dog
An easy to train dog that can make a wonderful partner in agility, jogging, or other activities
May not get along with other dogs, especially of the same sex
A poor guard dog; it is not a breed trait to be defensive of car, home, etc.
A social dog; most pit bulls greet strangers like long lost friends
A healthy dog that is not especially prone to many genetic diseases
Criticism from friends/family members that are misinformed about the breed
A dog that is safe with people. Human aggression, severe shyness, and instability are not traits typically found in Pit bulls.
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I think even a simpleton such as you can work out what that means
Maybe you should look into the history of the breed and why and what they were bred for before you make any comments.
the point is you come on to a thread that should be positive and make these stupid ass, uneducated comments about pits...why dont you atleast do some research on the breed first instead of just contributing to all the myths and misinformation that is already out there.
yeah...pits are viscous dogs by nature...dumb ass ::)
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I think banning pitbulls is like this analogy I came up with lol.
having a clogged artery.......
you can unblock the clog which will temporarily save your life. But unless you change your lifestyle and what is causing the artery to clog you will never get better. You can keep clearing out the clogged artery but it will always come back.
Same goes for owners of these dogs. Ban pits. They will start with another breed. The problem isn't the dogs. It is the people who own them. banning pitbulls is a quick fix to a problem that will just return later on. Typical politicians move.
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Your argument is sound and it is good to see a person on the other side of the issue not just hurling myths around.
My one question to you is this. If they do in fact ban pits and the knuckle draggers move onto dobermans or akitas what should they do?
Interesting point and something that will happen no doubt if a ban does come into effect.
For a start I'd go after so called 'backyard breeders'. Reputable breeders seem to be a little more discerning who they sell their dogs to.
Give massive fines to irresponsible dog owners, people tend to think better if there's a threat to their bank balance
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Interesting point and something that will happen no doubt if a ban does come into effect.
For a start I'd go after so called 'backyard breeders'. Reputable breeders seem to be a little more discerning who they sell their dogs to.
Give massive fines to irresponsible dog owners, people tend to think better if there's a threat to their bank balance
I agree. And with the issue of attacks. If a dog attacks a person unprovoked and does serious harm due to an owners negligence or abuse it should be a felony.
I am not talking about a bite or a nip. I am talking about the dumbfucks who train there dogs to kill and some little kid gets mauled because they let there dogs roam free.
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body 88 that is a perfect analogy. im guessing dobermans will be next, then rotts, then german shepards, ect.
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body 88 that is a perfect analogy. im guessing dobermans will be next, then rotts, then german shepards, ect.
To me that is the issue here. You can ban pits but then it will be Shepard's. Dobermans and a slew of other breeds.
These politicians want the quick fix and the breed is the scapegoat!
Animals are just that. Animals. They need to be owned responsibly. I don't give a shit if it is a toy terrier or a pitbull. Owners need to be held accountable.
Like the analogy I made before. Are lawmakers going to ban streetbikes since some kid did a wheelie into a school bus? Or should they crucify the idiot who did the wheelie into the bus?
Set an example by getting tougher on the morons who abuse the privilege. Not giving them another opportunity to pull the same shit with a different breed.
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Interesting point and something that will happen no doubt if a ban does come into effect.
For a start I'd go after so called 'backyard breeders'. Reputable breeders seem to be a little more discerning who they sell their dogs to.
Give massive fines to irresponsible dog owners, people tend to think better if there's a threat to their bank balance
Another point. When I bought Frankie I had to go through a screening process by the breeder. Back yard breeders are a big contributer to irregularities in a breeds temperament etc.
Great point you made there.
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All I ask of anyone is to give the breed a chance. So many people just throw around accusations that are just not true.
I was so frustrated by this lady who was scared of my dog for absolutely no reason. I asked her if she had ever had contact with a pitbull or bulldog before to make her feel the way she did. She said she "had not" and she had "heard" about "that" breed. The lasy is acting all timid and scared around my 5 month old puppy. Granted he is large but he is no doubt a puppy and was so exited to meet her. She could have won an Oscar with her performance ::)
Not to long ago seven news reported a pitbull attack and the dog was clearly half pitbull half labrador retriever.
Imo to a lesser degree of course it is on par with small town,narrow minded white women being scared of black people.
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Imo to a lesser degree of course it is on par with small town,narrow minded white women being scared of black people.
And straights anxious about gay people. :D
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And straights anxious about gay people. :D
To be honest with you I have no problem with gays. A good friend of mine is gay and I like him the same as before he came out.
I also work in the nightlife and many employees and great people who work with and for me are gay.
I can get annoyed with overzelous gay but I get annoyed with overzelous strights all the same.
If a person is gay that is there deal dont have nuthin to do with me.
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gay marriage should be between a man and a woman.
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gay marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Bast!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to the north end of Boston today to my sisters apt for the match!!!!! The north end is the little Italy of Boston. It is going to be crazy there.
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Ahem... {pssst} STella, the word is "JERK-offs"
Oops...sorry Jag ;D
Maybe you should look into the history of the breed and why and what they were bred for before you make any comments.
Well, even regular old (English) bulldogs were bred to bait bulls but they don't have a bad rep. (probably because they're not owned by a bunch of Jerks who think it's cool to have the "toughest" dog ::) ).
Apparently the English bulldog was bred purposely to have all those wrinkles in it's face so that when holding the throat of a bull (in the dog's mouth) the blood would run down the wrinkles and away from the dog's eyes. :P
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Oops...sorry Jag ;D
Well, even regular old (English) bulldogs were bred to bait bulls but they don't have a bad rep. (probably because they're not owned by a bunch of Jerks who think it's cool to have the "toughest" dog ::) ).
Apparently the English bulldog was bred purposely to have all those wrinkles in it's face so that when holding the throat of a bull (in the dog's mouth) the blood would run down the wrinkles and away from the dog's eyes. :P
American bulldogs are part old English bulldog and part bull mastiff. Here is one from a few days ago. Also one from when he was 13 weeks old.
Pits have old English bulldog in them. As well as terrier. Old English bulldogs where the original fighting dogs as well as other things such as bull baiting which Stella has said. The thing is the dogs are ESPECIALLY people friendly as they where breed to want to do nothing more than please there masters.
My pup lineage is along the same lines. American bulldogs where bread to bait bulls, hunt bore,work (pull weights), and also be guards of the family and or farm. A lineage is a means to an end. These animals are not aggressive by nature to humans.
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banned here in the uk and north or ireland. they are beoing beefed up on steroids and breed to fight. there have been too many kids in particular mauled by them.
also northern ireland is only country in uk which u can legally own a wolf. huskies are poppoing up 2. saw a wolf oyther day in town. was huge. paw was the size of a dinner plate. back was o thick and muscly. it was also aboyut 3.5 foot high people just stopped and stared in amazement. maybe was a wolf or huskie bread with summat else. was so huge and thick. dirty brown hair. the biggest and thickest looking dog i ever seen. an old irish wolfhound i had was taller tho not as big. this thing was scary lol tho just sat in street whilst owner just ran into shop. very cool
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banned here in the uk and north or ireland. they are beoing beefed up on steroids and breed to fight. there have been too many kids in particular mauled by them.
wow....pits are not bread to fight anymore!....in the 1800s they were bread first for bull baiting and then for fighting....of course there is still a small number of scum bag breeders who breed for gameness...but even when they were bread for gameness they were also bread with a strong bite inhibition towards humans...even the gamest pit would not go around mauling little childrend...any pit that mauled a child was trained to be that way not because its in their nature....so it has nothing to do with being a pit...a yellow lab could have just as easily mauled a child...breed ristrictions laws are based on ignorance...especially banning a breed like the apbt that makes such a trustworth. loving, devoted family pet.
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You might ask this kid's mother her opinion. :-\
S.F. boy, 12, killed by his family's pit bulls
Shocked Inner Sunset neighbors call 911 as his mother screams: 'Help me!'
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Heather Knight and Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writers
Saturday, June 4, 2005
A 12-year-old boy was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls Friday in his apartment in San Francisco's Inner Sunset District, authorities said.
The boy, identified by school district officials as Nicholas Scott Faibish, was in his apartment at 711 Lincoln Way when the 80-pound dogs -- a male named Rex and a female named Ella -- attacked him about 3:15 p.m., authorities said.
The boy's mother, covered in blood, screamed, "Get them out of here!'' said a neighbor who heard the commotion and saw the woman through the apartment window.
A police officer shot and killed one of the dogs, believed to be Ella, when the dog prevented him from entering the apartment in the building across from Golden Gate Park, a police spokesman said. The other dog was captured in the backyard and was being held by animal control officers.
Paramedics tried and failed to resuscitate the boy at the scene.
Shocked neighbors said the dogs were often friendly, affectionate and well behaved.
"The dogs were sweethearts,'' said Art Austin, a neighbor. "I never thought they were vicious. They were really nice. I would pet them, and my wife would kiss them on the forehead.''
But 13-year-old neighbor Aaron Vinnik said he saw the dogs regularly and they were not always well behaved.
"The dogs barked at us, and one of them, the white-and-brown one, he came (at) us," Aaron said.
He said the dogs were "sometimes nice, sometimes mean.''
Austin said he saw the first officer on the scene shoot one of the dogs.
"I saw the policeman trying to get in the door,'' Austin said. "The dog wouldn't let him past. He had to shoot it.''
There was no immediate explanation for what triggered the dogs' attack.
A teacher at Roosevelt Middle School, where Nicholas attended sixth grade, said the boy's family was planning to move to Oregon, probably after the school year.
Nick, as she knew him, liked talking about his dogs, playing computer games and being with his friends, she said.
"He's so similar to all boys his age, very similar," said the teacher, who asked not to be identified. "I'm just devastated. This is just so unreal."
Diane Panagotacos, the principal at Roosevelt, said Friday night that Nicholas had adjusted well to middle school.
"I just remember freckles on him," she said. "I kind of remember him just being animated. I saw smiles on his face, that's what I remember. I remember a happy youngster. ... It's just so sad to hear the circumstances.
"We're having our eighth-grade dinner dance right now, and we haven't told any of the kids,'' Panagotacos said. "Monday, we will definitely need to deal with this -- grief counselors, whatever the kids and staff need." She put her hands over her face and began to cry.
Ony Ozonsi, an eighth-grader at Roosevelt, remembered Nicholas as a bubbly boy who stood out even to him, two grades ahead.
"He was a happy little kid,'' Ony said. "He liked to play with the other kids a lot and was always here after school."
Police Chief Heather Fong and Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White were among the authorities who went to the scene of the attack.
"It's a very tragic situation,'' Hayes-White said. "The city family offers its deepest sympathy and condolences.''
Nicholas lived in the apartment with his parents and a sister and brother. Their names were not immediately available.
Donna Castelli, wife of Art Austin, said she had seen the boy's mother moments after the tragedy.
"She was hysterical, she was screaming, she was yelling,'' Castelli said.
A neighbor who lived in an adjacent building and who asked not to be identified said she called 911 after hearing Nicholas' mother screaming, "Help me! Help me!''
She looked through her window and saw that the woman's face and hands were covered with blood.
The neighbor said she had seen the dogs earlier Friday lounging in front of the two-story wood-shingled apartment building.
Castelli was among those who said the two dogs seemed tame. They would run around the backyard of the apartment building but were always on a leash when in public, she said.
"They were lovely dogs,'' Castelli said.
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A vicious breed owned mainly by morons who see them as some sort of status symbol, or because it makes them feel kinda tough. Good riddance I say
Why can't these people own dog breeds like Golden Retrievers, Poodles and other non-violent breeds?
YIP
Zack
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my point was its not in the pit bulls nature to do something like that.......i guarantee that there is something more to that story.
What the papers don't tell/know, is why the pitts attacked.
was the 12 year old doing to provoke the dogs? maybe the dogs were abused or trained to be aggressive by their owners. maybe the dogs weren't given their shots and had distemper or even rabies.
the fact is the newspapers don't report these things because they don't make good news. The stories of pit bulls attacking small innocent children makes good news. Will we ever hear the stories of a standard poodle mauling its owner? No. Has it happened? Yes.
there was a7 year study, pit bulls were found to account for only 1.89% of All dog attacks!!Can you imagine If i took the time to cut and paste stories of ALL the breeds of dogs that attack and hurt/kill humans on a daily basis. ...I'd be here for days!!
look at this link....warning it not easy to watch.
http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/
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You might ask this kid's mother her opinion. :-\
S.F. boy, 12, killed by his family's pit bulls
Shocked Inner Sunset neighbors call 911 as his mother screams: 'Help me!'
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Heather Knight and Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writers
Saturday, June 4, 2005
A 12-year-old boy was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls Friday in his apartment in San Francisco's Inner Sunset District, authorities said.
The boy, identified by school district officials as Nicholas Scott Faibish, was in his apartment at 711 Lincoln Way when the 80-pound dogs -- a male named Rex and a female named Ella -- attacked him about 3:15 p.m., authorities said.
The boy's mother, covered in blood, screamed, "Get them out of here!'' said a neighbor who heard the commotion and saw the woman through the apartment window.
A police officer shot and killed one of the dogs, believed to be Ella, when the dog prevented him from entering the apartment in the building across from Golden Gate Park, a police spokesman said. The other dog was captured in the backyard and was being held by animal control officers.
Paramedics tried and failed to resuscitate the boy at the scene.
Shocked neighbors said the dogs were often friendly, affectionate and well behaved.
"The dogs were sweethearts,'' said Art Austin, a neighbor. "I never thought they were vicious. They were really nice. I would pet them, and my wife would kiss them on the forehead.''
But 13-year-old neighbor Aaron Vinnik said he saw the dogs regularly and they were not always well behaved.
"The dogs barked at us, and one of them, the white-and-brown one, he came (at) us," Aaron said.
He said the dogs were "sometimes nice, sometimes mean.''
Austin said he saw the first officer on the scene shoot one of the dogs.
"I saw the policeman trying to get in the door,'' Austin said. "The dog wouldn't let him past. He had to shoot it.''
There was no immediate explanation for what triggered the dogs' attack.
A teacher at Roosevelt Middle School, where Nicholas attended sixth grade, said the boy's family was planning to move to Oregon, probably after the school year.
Nick, as she knew him, liked talking about his dogs, playing computer games and being with his friends, she said.
"He's so similar to all boys his age, very similar," said the teacher, who asked not to be identified. "I'm just devastated. This is just so unreal."
Diane Panagotacos, the principal at Roosevelt, said Friday night that Nicholas had adjusted well to middle school.
"I just remember freckles on him," she said. "I kind of remember him just being animated. I saw smiles on his face, that's what I remember. I remember a happy youngster. ... It's just so sad to hear the circumstances.
"We're having our eighth-grade dinner dance right now, and we haven't told any of the kids,'' Panagotacos said. "Monday, we will definitely need to deal with this -- grief counselors, whatever the kids and staff need." She put her hands over her face and began to cry.
Ony Ozonsi, an eighth-grader at Roosevelt, remembered Nicholas as a bubbly boy who stood out even to him, two grades ahead.
"He was a happy little kid,'' Ony said. "He liked to play with the other kids a lot and was always here after school."
Police Chief Heather Fong and Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White were among the authorities who went to the scene of the attack.
"It's a very tragic situation,'' Hayes-White said. "The city family offers its deepest sympathy and condolences.''
Nicholas lived in the apartment with his parents and a sister and brother. Their names were not immediately available.
Donna Castelli, wife of Art Austin, said she had seen the boy's mother moments after the tragedy.
"She was hysterical, she was screaming, she was yelling,'' Castelli said.
A neighbor who lived in an adjacent building and who asked not to be identified said she called 911 after hearing Nicholas' mother screaming, "Help me! Help me!''
She looked through her window and saw that the woman's face and hands were covered with blood.
The neighbor said she had seen the dogs earlier Friday lounging in front of the two-story wood-shingled apartment building.
Castelli was among those who said the two dogs seemed tame. They would run around the backyard of the apartment building but were always on a leash when in public, she said.
"They were lovely dogs,'' Castelli said.
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Do you really want me to break out all the other breeds this has happened with? They include cocker spaniels, labs, golden retrievers and also huskys. That is off the top off my head.
You never leave your child alone with animals no matter the breed. Again with your logic anything that causes harm in an isolated situation should be taken out on the whole population.
Actually here is one I have saved
http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm
This breed was a rottweiler/lab mix who mauled this child to death. Guess all labs and rottweilers should be banned forever! There is also stories of an Akita, Mastiff,Husky and German Shepard. Guess all those evil police k9's who save peoples lives every day should be taken out and shot! Those killer husky dogs should all be banned!
Children die every day in car accidents where inexperienced drivers make mistakes..... Guess ALL cars should be banned. Even tho a child has at least a 1000 times greater chance of being killed in a car accident than by a dog.
And for the record if the owners of those pits had been more edjucated and responsible there child would be alive today. You never leave a child alone with a dog nevermind two dogs of any kind if the child is to small to stop them if they were to attack. This tragedy was preventable.
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for all those who think pits are viscous, agressive, ect. by nature here is the link to the american temperament society with a list and scores of all breeds.
http://www.atts.org/statistics.htm
ATTS Breed Statistics
as of December 2005
Page 1: Afghan Hound - Belgian Malinois
Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent
AFGHAN HOUND 161 116 45 72.0%
AIREDALE TERRIER 98 75 23 76.5%
AKBASH DOG 13 11 2 84.6%
AKITA 438 320 118 73.1%
ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG 6 4 2 66.7%
ALASKAN MALAMUTE 184 155 29 84.2%
AMERICAN BULLDOG 130 107 23 82.3%
AMERICAN ESKIMO 77 64 13 83.1%
AMERICAN FOXHOUND 2 2 0 100.0%
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 515 430 85 83.5%
AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER 503 419 84 83.3%
AMERICAN TUNNEL TERRIER 2 2 0 100.0%
AMERICAN WATER SPANIEL 5 4 1 80.0%
ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD DOG 26 21 5 80.8%
AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG 160 125 35 78.1%
AUSTRALIAN KELPIE 6 5 1 83.3%
AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD 561 453 108 80.7%
AUSTRALIAN TERRIER 16 13 3 81.3%
AZAWAKH 1 1 0 100.0%
BASENJI 157 104 53 66.2%
BASSET HOUND 32 27 5 84.4%
BEAGLE 59 47 12 79.7%
BEARDED COLLIE 45 24 21 53.3%
BEAUCERON 10 7 3 70.0%
BEDLINGTON TERRIER 18 17 1 94.4%
BELGIAN LAEKENOIS 4 4 0 100.0%
BELGIAN MALINOIS 205 185 20 90.2%
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check this link....hard to watch
http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/
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My husband and I were just at an outdoor festival and we had our 2 dogs with us. Two guys w/a pitbull stopped and talked to us for awhile. That pitbull was a sweet dreamboat! She seemed to have an even better temperament than one of my dogs (who seems to want to be the alpha dog in all "dog situations") :-[
It had a brindle coat and was orange. Just darling :)
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"Pit bulls have a reputation for vicious behavior that is borne of experience.
According to a study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical
Association in 2000, pit bulls caused the greatest number of dog-bite-related
fatalities between 1979 and 1998. Jeffery J. Saks, et al., Breeds of Dogs Involved
in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998, 217 J. Am.
Veterinary Med. Ass’n 836, 837 (2000), available at
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf.5 The dangerousness of pit bulls has
also been recognized in a number of court decisions. See, e.g., Giaculli v. Bright,
584 So. 2d 187, 189 (Fla. 5th DCA 1991) (recognizing that “[p]it bulls as a breed
are known to be extremely aggressive and have been bred as attack animals”);
Hearn v. City of Overland Park, 772 P.2d 758, 768 (Kan. 1989) (“[P]it bull dogs
represent a unique public health hazard not presented by other breeds or mixes of
dogs. Pit bull dogs possess both the capacity for extraordinarily savage behavior
and physical capabilities in excess of those possessed by many other breeds of
dogs. Moreover, this capacity for uniquely vicious attacks is coupled with an
unpredictable nature.”); Matthews v. Amberwood Assocs. Ltd. Partnership, Inc.,
719 A.2d 119, 127 (Md. 1998) (“The extreme dangerousness of [the pit bull]
breed, as it has evolved today, is well recognized.”).
In State v. Peters, 534 So. 2d 760 (Fla. 3d DCA 1988), the Third District
5. Of the 238 fatalities accounted for in the study, pit bulls were responsible
for 76, or approximately 32 percent. See id."
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The best line of that crap was. "Pit bull dogs possess both the capacity for extraordinarily savage behavior
and physical capabilities in excess of those possessed by many other breeds of
dogs".
Hmm pitbulls are bigger and stronger than some breeds of dogs? What a revelation. I bet they even know that mastiffs are bigger and stronger than pitbulls.
The facts are pitbulls do NOT have the highest bite rate and score higher on temperament tests than most all dogs.
That article proves nothing. It is nothing more than babble. Most all the things they said other than the death rate until 98 was re hashed nonsense.
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"Pit bulls have a reputation for vicious behavior that is borne of experience.
“[p]it bulls as a breed
are known to be extremely aggressive and have been bred as attack animals”);
Hearn v. City of Overland Park, 772 P.2d 758, 768 (Kan. 1989) (“[P]it bull dogs
represent a unique public health hazard not presented by other breeds or mixes of
dogs. Moreover, this capacity for uniquely vicious attacks is coupled with an
unpredictable nature.”); (“The extreme dangerousness of [the pit bull]
breed, as it has evolved today, is well recognized.”).
that is some of the most misinformed bullshit i have ever seen.....its really not even worth commenting on.
if you dont like pits that cool...get a golden retriever.....but there is no reason post some bullshit anti pit bull propaganda that doesnt hold a bit of truth.
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that is some of the most misinformed bullshit i have ever seen.....its really not even worth commenting on.
if you dont like pits that cool...get a golden retriever.....but there is no reason post some bullshit anti pit bull propaganda that doesnt hold a bit of truth.
Who ever did that "study" should be laughed out of their field.
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hey 88....did you take a look at that video....really some disturbing shit goin on.
http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/
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hey 88....did you take a look at that video....really some disturbing shit goin on.
http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/
Yes. That video is a look into the evil that none of these people ever see. Dog fighters. Brutal owners. I wish alot of times that pits were not so "tough" and athletic. The shit this breed of animal has had to endure could make the toughest guys stomach turn.
If people do not like pitbulls that is there right and that is fine. But most people just hurl accusations and have never actually looked into the issue.
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its to bad more people dont know the truth...they mis out on getting to know a great dog.
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"Pit bulls have a reputation for vicious behavior that is borne of experience.
According to a study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical
Association in 2000, pit bulls caused the greatest number of dog-bite-related
fatalities between 1979 and 1998. Jeffery J. Saks, et al., Breeds of Dogs Involved
in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998, 217 J. Am.
Veterinary Med. Ass’n 836, 837 (2000), available at
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf.5
I don't really know much about pit bulls, but this sounds pretty bad.
I was just talking to my neighbor about pit bulls the other day and she said they're harmless. But then I read stuff like this and it tends to confirm their bad reputation.
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I don't really know much about pit bulls, but this sounds pretty bad.
I was just talking to my neighbor about pit bulls the other day and she said they're harmless. But then I read stuff like this and it tends to confirm their bad reputation.
sometimes people with certain agendas take things out of context, twist them around, manipulate cetain facts, ect., all so they can come to a conclusion that is not factual.
if your really interested in getting to know the truth about the american pit bull terrier, take the time to read up on the breed....u will most likely be suprised at what you find.
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I don't really know much about pit bulls, but this sounds pretty bad.
I was just talking to my neighbor about pit bulls the other day and she said they're harmless. But then I read stuff like this and it tends to confirm their bad reputation.
You do understand that link is propaganda. Sounds pretty bad lol. Do you know the figures? More people die from bee stings and peanut allergies.
Do you believe everything you read?
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You all need to get together and do something like the NRA except for dogs... Until that happens ninny city councils will do what they want without worry. Once pits are gone, there will be a next dog in line. German Sheps then Dalmatians and on and until all you can own is a toothless teacup chihuahua. I would pay 20 bucks a month to stop these asswipes... no problem.
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You all need to get together and do something like the NRA except for dogs... Until that happens ninny city councils will do what they want without worry. Once pits are gone, there will be a next dog in line. German Sheps then Dalmatians and on and until all you can own is a toothless teacup chihuahua. I would pay 20 bucks a month to stop these asswipes... no problem.
I try my best to educate the dumb fucks in the Boston area. We need to get organized :(
You are right tho. At this rate stuffed animal dogs will be outlawed.
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Ya know, maybe this sounds dumb,and I am not saying anything bad about the pitbull because Body88 has clearly done his research on the statistics of dog attacks,but rather than ban them,why not just educate the owners.What I mean is,whether or not they are any more vicious than other breeds is irrelevant;You are never going to convince the uneducated public that they are not vicious.So if they are determined to ban pits due to their vicious behavior,why not just make a law mandating that anyone who wishes to own a pit( or any other breed that is deemed dangerous) take some basic courses or something so they will know the proper way to socialize the dog or whatever,like Body88 said. I am sure you will argue that you should not have to do that because the pit isn't dangerous,and maybe you would be right,but it would certainly be better than losing your dog. Just my opinion,I know nothing about dogs.
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Sounds like a shame, but unfortunately they can't ban stupid people in california, which is the problem obviously. Breeding dogs to be brutal.. lolzors, what a life.
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This is a fascinating topic because there is no easy solution to the problem.
There are a lot of dog lovers on this website and it seems a lot of Pit Bull lovers as well.
I still haven't seen a possible solution to the problem though. Clearly too many Pit Bulls are attacking too many people. Here in the New England, Massachusetts and Rhode Island specifically we go through spurts where Pit Bull attacks will happen every few days. I'm not saying all Pit Bulls are bad but there are way too many Pit Bull attacks.
The State is overburdened as it is, tracking down and prosecuting bad Pit Bull owners will never happen and fines don't work either. The problem of fine enforcement is a bigger hassle to the State than the actual fines are to the Pit Bull owners.
We live in a society whose main focus is human beings, unfortunately animals and pets are secondary. It is easier for individual cities and towns to ban Pit Bulls than it is to go after unscrupulous owners. The Pit Bull community would be better served policing themselves. At least that way Pit Bulls wouldn't be sold to idiots and tough guys that won't be responsible owners.
Someone needs to devise a strategy for controlling the Pit Bull community that is easy enough for individual towns to put into action. I doubt it will ever happen though.
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You do understand that link is propaganda. Sounds pretty bad lol. Do you know the figures? More people die from bee stings and peanut allergies.
Do you believe everything you read?
Of course not. Propaganda is false information. Is this false: "pit bulls caused the greatest number of dog-bite-related fatalities between 1979 and 1998"?
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Of course not. Propaganda is false information. Is this false: "pit bulls caused the greatest number of dog-bite-related fatalities between 1979 and 1998"?
Yes that is FALSE. I just read the whole study. The study says pitbull TYPE breeds were number one. Rottys were a close second and German Shepard's third. The American pitbull Terrier was not listed as the number one killer in bite related deaths. it says pitbull TYPE breeds.
Further more this bullshit article posted sourcing this study which I just read fails to leave out the fact that on average there are 17 deaths by year caused by dogs. It also says 90 percent of these are SMALL children. I wonder what the number would be if the parents negligence in leaving babies alone with dogs was involved.
Also there is 1380 deaths by year from lighting. There are 17 from dog attacks. I get so sick of people who have no idea what they are talking about hurling accusations around about these breeds. I am not talking about you.
If you look at the true facts and who owns these dogs whom attack people your opinions will change. If pitbulls are banned they will just move on to another breed., There are alot of big tough breeds out there. I hope the idiots have alot of time on hand. They are going to be passing laws on dogs for a long long time.
Again politicians look for the quick fix. City councils are the same way. I wonder how this country would be if laws were passed and extreme decisions made on miss information and jumping to conclusions.
OH YA!!!!! A LITTLE THING CALLED IRAQ IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS!!!!!
I will answer the rest of the posts when I get back from the beach 8)
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its usually the loser ass owners who own these dogs, are the
ones responsible for their bad behavior. not to sound racist
here but blks and Mexicans should be outlawed to own pits
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that is true...some of these owners want a dog that is a viscous, tough looking dog....they seek out pits, rots, dobies,german sheppards, mastifs,ect.....they could take a golden retriever and do the same thing but of course that just wouldnt cut it.
the only thing i would say is that the majority of pit owners are not that way....and most of these dogs are part of loving caring famalies....but the gang bangers, thugs and dog fighters do play a big part in damaging the image of an otherwise great breed.
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THAT BLUE PIT IN YOUR FIRST PICTURE LOOKS BAD ASS :o
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all the LVF scumbags in belfast walk around with ILS and wifebeaters with their pitbulls.
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Let's look at some video evidence of just why pitbulls are such 'misunderstood' creatures
Pit attacks family dog (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/171312/pittbul_attack/)
Boy attacked (http://www.flurl.com/item/Pitbull_Attack_u_153126)
Pit attacks owner (http://www.totallyshocking.com/media/08302005_pit_bull_attack.php)
Dog fight (http://www.sparkvideos.com/pitbullfightsvideo.shtml)
Victim gives press conference (http://www.flurl.com/item/dogattackvictim_u_131323/) his face is not a pretty sight.
Dog warden attacked (http://www.drunkendelight.com/view.php?id=268)
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I could post hundreds of videos of car accident victims. Should all cars be banned? Have you seen the news video of the baby killed by the family cocker spaniel. Should that entire breed be banned? Judging by the reaction from the unlucky family on video.
Do you do steroids? There is scientific evidence that they can kill you and are very dangerous you know.
The facts of the matter is over 1000 people die from lighting strikes each year. Under 17 die from pitbull attacks.hell under 10. All dog breeds are responsible for about 17 deaths per year.
You have a 1000 times greater chance of being killed by lightning than being killed by a pitbull. Better watch out!
Those videos are foolish. You can find examples of any accusation. That logic is ridiculous.
The best video was the dog fighting the other "family dog".Pretty obvious they are two random dogs lose on the streets. Do you know how many breeds could / would do that. It is out of the ordinary to see two dogs fight ::) Any dominant breed male will not get along with another. Hilarious that you would think it was only a pitbull thing. Even more funny is you blame the dog when the owner allows it to roam on the street free ::) And the absolute kicker. The video is in spanish. Is that even the US?
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2005 American Temperament Test Results
Pit Bulls are often victims of prejudice and discrimination. Responsible Pit Bull owners and their dogs will help restore the image of the breed.
In 2005 at the American Temperament Test, Pit Bull dogs achieved a combined passing score of 83.8%.
American Pit Bull Terrier: 515 tested 83.5% passed
American Staffordshire Terrier: 503 tested 83.3% passed
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 59 tested 84.7% passed
Total 1077 tested 83.8% passed
To put this in perspective, consider:
All Breeds: 26,615 tested 81.2% passed
Collie: 801 tested 79.0% passed
Golden Retriever: 679 tested 83.7% passed
Pit Bulls Make Great Partners!
To Learn More About the American Temperament Test Society Click Here
About Canine Temperament
Because of breed-specific dog legislation and negative publicity associated with many breeds of dogs, temperament testing has assumed an important role for today's dog fancier. The American Temperament Test provides breeders a means for evaluating temperament and gives pet owners insight into their dog's behavior. It can have an impact on breeding programs and in educating owners about their dog's behavioral strengths and weaknesses as well as providing a positive influence on dog legislation.
What is temperament?
W. Handel, German Police Dog Trainer, in his article, "The Psychological Basis of Temperament Testing," defines temperament as:"the sum total of all inborn and acquired physical and mental traits and talents which
determines, forms and regulates behavior in the environment"
The ATTS test focuses on and measures different aspects of temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness as well as the dog's instinct for protectiveness towards its handler and/or self-preservation in the face of a threat. The test is designed for the betterment of all breeds of dogs and takes into consideration each breed's inherent tendencies.
The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.
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Well the point is, as I have said previously and you (body88) agreed with me. Is that pits, for the most part are owned by morons. There's no doubt that in the hands of the wrong person these dogs can be lethal weapons. Now you can't legislate against people being morons but we can help make the streets a safer place for people by getting rid of these dogs thus preventing another person/child having their face ripped off.
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Well the point is, as I have said previously and you (body88) agreed with me. Is that pits, for the most part are owned by morons. There's no doubt that in the hands of the wrong person these dogs can be lethal weapons. Now you can't legislate against people being morons but we can help make the streets a safer place for people by getting rid of these dogs thus preventing another person/child having their face ripped off.
I agree with you that there should be something done. Something done to the people who exploit these breeds. You are a smart person. I know that you know that picture has happened with other breeds as well as pitbulls.
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these breed restriction laws are really fucked up...i know miami and denver have bans on pits already...anyone who has had a pit knows what a great dog they are...i'm not from cali but you can still sign this petition to stop sb861...
http://www.petitiononline.com/NOBSL/petition.html
Mexicans kill everyday, you don't see us banning them from cali. do you? Not that it would be a bad idea..
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I agree with you that there should be something done. Something done to the people who exploit these breeds. You are a smart person. I know that you know that picture has happened with other breeds as well as pitbulls.
of course it has, I'd be a fool to deny it, any dog can do damage to a person. Just that pits as well as other so called dangerous dogs can do much more damage than most.
There's this black moron that lives near me, he has a rottweiler and he likes to think he's a badass by walking around with this dog not kept on a lead. You should see him with his chest puffed out as he walks, it's almost as if the dog gives him super human powers.
It's only a matter of time before the dog goes for someone and when it does it will get put down. It's not the dogs fault, it's the fucking pricks fault but the dog will pay for it. In a ideal world they'd put him down along with the dog.
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Mexicans kill everyday, you don't see us banning them from cali. do you? Not that it would be a bad idea..
+1
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of course it has, I'd be a fool to deny it, any dog can do damage to a person. Just that pits as well as other so called dangerous dogs can do much more damage than most.
There's this black moron that lives near me, he has a rottweiler and he likes to think he's a badass by walking around with this dog not kept on a lead. You should see him with his chest puffed out as he walks, it's almost as if the dog gives him super human powers.
It's only a matter of time before the dog goes for someone and when it does it will get put down. It's not the dogs fault, it's the fucking pricks fault but the dog will pay for it. In a ideal world they'd put him down along with the dog.
Here is my solution. If I had some sort of political position this is what I would do.
1.) First I would hold a meeting or press conference on the subject. I would tackle both sides of the issue. Good and bad. I would educate people on the myths about pitbulls and other "dangerous" breeds. I would also go into the business of news and how they sensationalize things to sell a story. I would show statistics and temperament studies. I would dive into the facts. not myths about dogs. Light would be shed on the irresponsible acts leading to 90 percent of these attacks. Those would include leaving children alone with dogs, leaving dogs to roam free, abuse, Mal nutrition, not socializing a dog and lastly dog fighters.
I am a reasonable person. To say a pitbull, Doberman American bulldog or any other large working breed is not more dangerous than say a tea cup terrier is foolish. I would try to compromise. No matter how much you educate people you would have people who will not listen to the facts and want extreme action, IE banning a breed totally.
Here are some points on how I would handle this.
1.) All dogs of all breeds over 40 lbs have to be registered at your local vet. No expense or fine if one does not obey this condition. BUT if a dog that was not register attacked and killed/severely maimed a person the owner would automatically be held responsible no matter the circumstance. 90 percent of these children who die are left alone with dogs much larger than them. BAD IDEA.
2.) If a dog whom is registered was to attack a person and severely maim or kill them there would be an investigation into the circumstances. If the owner was found to have been negligent, abusive, or facilitated the attack itself they would be held criminally responsible. The dog would be uthanized humanly and the owner would face some serious jail time. None of this pussy shit you see now. JAIL TIME. Jail time would obviously only apply if the situation showed the owner to be clearly at fault for the attack. If the dog did this out of the blue while on lead or had mental issues the circumstances would not be criminal. Remember the point of this is to punish the owners not the tool they use to be irresponsible.
3.) If your animal attacks or harms a person of a non serious nature and the victim feels they where unjustly attacked the animal will be temperament tested By the local vet. if the animal passes the test and is stable the owner and animal have to complete a K9 training and education course. There would obviously be an investigation into this to stop people from antagonizing animals to attack and then wrongly blaming the owner.
4.) The pitbull, Doberman etc owners would get rights to. if a person was to antagonize an animal. or proof could be provided of other foul play the person responsible would be punished with hefty fines.
5.) I would hold meeting for dog lovers and also critics to attend and raise issues. People just do not take dogs serious.
Most people jusy need to be educated on the subject. The media is a business. The more sensational the story the better. Obvious with dog attacks. Time after time I watch these when they occur and most all the facts are myths or plain ignorant.
This is America you cannot tell me I can own a gun but not a breed of DOG. especially when that animal is 5000 times less likely to attack you than you being struck by a rouge car out on a walk. It is about time the idiots who let there animals get to these stages be punished. Not little pitbull puppies who haven't done a damn thing.
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its also important to make sure these bsl advocates know that if they are in favor of banning the dog, they are basically handing out a death sentence....some of the dogs will be lucky enough to find new homes but the majority of them will be put down...this has already been going on in denver...i dont have the numbers in front of me but its some pretty sick shit.
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Look at this KILLER!!!!!!!!!
I had a pit before I got my American bulldog. My guy is just a puppy and you would be surprised the number of people who are scared of him. he is the nicest dog you could ever meet. But for all those idiots who are scared for no good reason I meet tons of people who love him. He has very unique markings so people love him.
Just the other day I was on the beach with my pup. he played with 4 or 5 young kids while I talked with there mother and father. The couple commented several times how they wish there dog (Beagle) was as playful as my puppy.
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fuck pitbulls. i know a few that were really nice but too many people dont pay enough attentio nto them adn their instincts take over. plus all these dumbasses get them to show off to their friends
they are not worth it, there are plenty of less bloodshirty dogs to get
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Yes that is FALSE. I just read the whole study. The study says pitbull TYPE breeds were number one. Rottys were a close second and German Shepard's third. The American pitbull Terrier was not listed as the number one killer in bite related deaths. it says pitbull TYPE breeds.
Further more this bullshit article posted sourcing this study which I just read fails to leave out the fact that on average there are 17 deaths by year caused by dogs. It also says 90 percent of these are SMALL children. I wonder what the number would be if the parents negligence in leaving babies alone with dogs was involved.
Also there is 1380 deaths by year from lighting. There are 17 from dog attacks. I get so sick of people who have no idea what they are talking about hurling accusations around about these breeds. I am not talking about you.
If you look at the true facts and who owns these dogs whom attack people your opinions will change. If pitbulls are banned they will just move on to another breed., There are alot of big tough breeds out there. I hope the idiots have alot of time on hand. They are going to be passing laws on dogs for a long long time.
Again politicians look for the quick fix. City councils are the same way. I wonder how this country would be if laws were passed and extreme decisions made on miss information and jumping to conclusions.
OH YA!!!!! A LITTLE THING CALLED IRAQ IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS!!!!!
I will answer the rest of the posts when I get back from the beach 8)
Thanks. I'm not sure pit bull "type" breeds is that big of a distinction, but I'll read the study and do some reading. I really don't have an opinion . . . yet.
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my friend has a pitbull, Bosco. It is so fuckin dumb. Real nice tho. But kinda annoying. He really likes beer. He just got his balls chopped the other day tho, poor guy. But i still would have no problem with a ban, or at least a forced spading/neutering of all nonbreeder held pits. Unless you live in the country or have mad free time i dont think most dogs should be allowed.
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Body88: How is this for an idiot. Tonight at work the subject of pets came up,and a dude I work with mentioned that he had two pits...Well I brought up this topic,and this is what he said.He may have been joking but he didn't act like it.He said " Yeah what ya do is mix gunpowder in some hamburger and feed it to them..after awhile it f**ks up their brain and they act crazy as hell...makes em mean so they will fight" now that sounds very far fetched to me,but he never said he was kid'n,and he acted totally serious when he said it.If he was serious then it is morons like him that need to be mauled by their own dogs!!
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Body88: How is this for an idiot. Tonight at work the subject of pets came up,and a dude I work with mentioned that he had two pits...Well I brought up this topic,and this is what he said.He may have been joking but he didn't act like it.He said " Yeah what ya do is mix gunpowder in some hamburger and feed it to them..after awhile it f**ks up their brain and they act crazy as hell...makes em mean so they will fight" now that sounds very far fetched to me,but he never said he was kid'n,and he acted totally serious when he said it.If he was serious then it is morons like him that need to be mauled by their own dogs!!
Take this fool out to lunch tomorrow and slip some estrogen in his burger.. I would..
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f**k pitbulls. i know a few that were really nice but too many people dont pay enough attentio nto them adn their instincts take over. plus all these dumbasses get them to show off to their friends
they are not worth it, there are plenty of less bloodshirty dogs to get
listen man i'm not gonna get into it like i usually would after hearing some shit like that......you should do yourself a favor and read up on the nature of the APBT...i mean if your gonna refer to them as blood thirsty killing machines you should atleast be sure of what your talking about first.
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Thanks. I'm not sure pit bull "type" breeds is that big of a distinction, but I'll read the study and do some reading. I really don't have an opinion . . . yet.
Well here is the thing.
I have an American bulldog. Has the old English bulldog as an ancestor. The pitbull does also. Other breeds that could be considered pitbull "types" are.
Staffordshire terriers, American bulldogs,bull terriers, English Staffordshire terriers and of course the APT.
Take a dog like a rototiller. What that list is doing with pitbulls is taking a common ancestor of the pit and grouping any dog with that ancestor (old English bulldog) as one type. basically like saying any part breed a rotty has in it is considered a rottweiler "type".Including mutts. Stupid really
That list also groups pitbull "hybrids" into the study. That means half breeds or pitbull containing mutts. Pretty broad spectrum huh? 4 different breeds including pitbulls and hybrids. Even so there is less than 8 fatal pitbull attacks per year. You have a 1000 times greater chance to be hit by lighting than attacked severely mauled/killed by a rouge pitbull.
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Body88: How is this for an idiot. Tonight at work the subject of pets came up,and a dude I work with mentioned that he had two pits...Well I brought up this topic,and this is what he said.He may have been joking but he didn't act like it.He said " Yeah what ya do is mix gunpowder in some hamburger and feed it to them..after awhile it f**ks up their brain and they act crazy as hell...makes em mean so they will fight" now that sounds very far fetched to me,but he never said he was kid'n,and he acted totally serious when he said it.If he was serious then it is morons like him that need to be mauled by their own dogs!!
That is the type person who needs to be set straight. That right there is the reason that breed has the reputation is does.
awful >:(
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I hate that! I was walking my puppy in the Boston commons. This random mut (some type of lab mix) runs up to my dog and starts trying to play with him.
The owner calls his dog back. As I am walking away I hear him say to his wife "those type of dogs are dangerous".
I thought to myself.My puppy is 13 weeks old and scared of umbrellas lol.Would not hurt a fly. Look at this asshole letting his dog run free in a public park claiming my dog is dangerous for no reason. I bet this guy would have tried to sue me if his unleashed dog had instigated a fight with my pup ::)
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I hate that! I was walking my puppy in the Boston commons. This random mut (some type of lab mix) runs up to my dog and starts trying to play with him.
The owner calls his dog back. As I am walking away I hear him say to his wife "those type of dogs are dangerous".
I thought to myself. Look at this asshole letting his dog run free in a public park claiming my dog is dangerous for no reason. I bet this guy would have tried to sue me if his unleashed dog had instigated a fight with my pup ::)
Oh I am sure they would have.(blamed your puppy)after all he IS a vicious "pitbull" ya know...Sad thing is if that were to happen,and you ended up in court, the most likely conclusion a judge would make would be the bull dog instigated it....I mean if ya had to "guess" which dog was the aggressor,it would only be natural to first assume it was the bull dog...guilty until proven Innocent.
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But by the law their dog was unleashed so they should be at fault.
Yes,I understand that.What I meant was if it is one person's word against another's..and someone had to make the call on which dog was the aggressor,the bull dog would be the most likely choice for most people .
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They probably would even though they would be in the wrong.
One time some idiot tried to tell me that I would face a fine if I did not muzzle my pitbull.
I explained to him it was an American Bulldog and he was just a puppy. He said "same thing" when I stated he was an Ab. I said no not same thing. If this was a pitbull he would act the same way. He would act like a regular dog. To many of these fools think these breeds are born monsters.
I do not give a shit what breed you have. If some ignorant tough guy own a dog and does not socialize, train it, or treat it the right way it will be aggressive. Pitbull or golden retriever.
I am going to have a laugh in ten years when the meatheads switch through a few different breeds. Same shit different day.
German Shepards are statistically more dangerous than pits. They rank in the top three of most "dangerous dogs". If that breed is so out of control and dangerous why do they use them for police work? A k9 must show restraint. It must be highly trained. It must have the ability to attack the bad but be timid with the good.
where is the Doberman, Rotty, Mastiff, GS,bans?
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Yes,I understand that.What I meant was if it is one person's word against another's..and someone had to make the call on which dog was the aggressor,the bull dog would be the most likely choice for most people .
Sad but true. Would the courts stand for a white jury convicting a black man over a white man if it was his word against the white man's with no deciding evidence? I think not. Not as serious but you guys get the jist of it.
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correct.
idiots ruin it for everyone. people who let aggressive dogs run wild around others are right up there with racists and car thiefs. should be kneecapped upon arrest, no questions asked.
240 you are a big advocate for gun control. This is the same idea to a lesser extent.
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I can understand why a person would be intimidated by a pit. When I was growing up I was scared by a neighbors rottweiler. Facts is tho, people need to understand not everything the see in the news is how things are. The fucking news makes it out to be that there is pitbull attacks and deaths every 30 seconds. The statistic for total dog deaths with all breeds per year is 17. So lets give half that to Pits for sake of argument. 8.5 deadly pit attack per year in the US. If 1000 people die from lighting strikes each year and only 7 from pitbull attacks why is lighting not the scariest thing in the world. There should be a "study" of how many little kids died due to there "parents" leaving them alone with dogs.
Even the bite statistics alone with pits is lower than your chances to be in a car accident.
FOOLS!
PS, Ron can you put the word "rottwieler" in the spell check lol?
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Interesting article which proofs my point about morons and 'dangerous' dogs.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article1163649.ece
How did the Staffordshire terrier fall in with the wrong crowd?
The Staffordshire terrier is fast becoming the weapon of choice for urban thugs. Malcolm Macalister Hall reports
Published: 09 July 2006
It looks moody, tough and mean, and it loves a scrap: stocky, muscular, big head, strong jaws, and short, no-nonsense coat. Put a heavy studded collar on it, clip on a chromed chain-link lead, and it's the street-accessory of choice on estates across Britain. The Staffordshire bull terrier looks the part: uncompromisingly urban, hard as nails.
And now, 15 years after pit bull terriers were banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act, reports from all sorts of sources - from dog-walkers to politicians - are warning that Staffordshires, mastiffs and other pugnacious dog breeds are once again becoming the accessory - and occasionally the weapon - of choice on Britain's urban streets. Typical new breed of owner: young lad, aged 15-22. Typical purpose for having the dog: to gain respect, to intimidate, to use as a form of protection, and sometimes for crime.
It's the Staffordshire's misfortune that, of all breeds, it most closely resembles the fearsome pit bulls which, in the 1980s, were the favoured side-arm of drug dealers, hard men and general riff-raff alike. And, though if treated kindly and properly trained, Staffordshires are good with young children, they are feared.
"A lot of people look at them horrified, like you've got Satan himself on the end of your lead," says Marian Waller of Dulwich, south London, owner of a Staffordshire bull terrier named Teddy. "They look at you like you're taking the Hound of the Baskervilles for a walk." She adds, "They'll cross the road to get away. I don't know why, because they're great with people. But they're not too good with other male dogs. They do like to fight them."
Like everyone else, she says the problem is not with the dogs but with some of the owners. "It depends who's got them," she says. "They might be naff owners who bait them, which is a bit frightening when you see young lads holding them. And some idiots only want to fight them..."
Across town, in Wandsworth, the council's senior dog control officer, Mark Callis, says that he and his five staff have been getting increasing reports of informal dog fights staged in playgrounds, tennis courts and football pitches, often between dogs owned by rival gangs from Wandsworth and Peckham estates.
"This kind of fighting is known as 'rolling' - and it's not like the prizefighting where you bet on which dog's going to win. This is just a macho thing: it's a case of 'my dog's better than yours', 'OK, let's see....'"
Callis continues: "We've heard that it also occurs in lifts in tower blocks , where they put two dogs in at the top floor, press the ground floor button and leave them to fight it out and see who's the winner when they get to the bottom. It's barbaric."
The apparent sudden increase in young lads toting aggressive-looking dogs was first noted by Cindy Butts, deputy chairwoman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, at its meeting in April. This was just days after a terrifying incident in west London, when a 39-year-old man was bitten in the street by two dogs - a Great Dane and a Staffordshire bull terrier - and was then attacked with a meat cleaver after he had remonstrated with the two (omega) male owners about the dogs not being on leads. He lost three fingers, and his arm was almost severed in the attack.
Butts says she raised the issue because of this incident, and because she had noticed more young people with intimidating-looking dogs in her home area of Shepherds Bush. She agrees that having a tough dog could be regarded as a perfectly legal equivalent of carrying a knife.
"I think it's partly to do with fashion, and partly to do with the fact that the rules of engagement for young people have changed on the street," she says. "I think the stakes are higher now, with more young people carrying knives, and more people carrying or having access to firearms than ever before.
"Now, it seems to be about 'tooling themselves up', in a way that I don't think existed before. It's not in preparation for a fight; it's tooling yourself up as you go about your daily business. That says something about our society, doesn't it? That young people feel the need to do that? I think it's partly a status thing, and partly about using dogs for protection." She warns, too, that this may in some cases morph into using the dog as a tool to commit crime.
While there is growing evidence that owning hard-looking dogs is a big buzz among urban youth - and that it may be seen by many adults as intimidating - that doesn't necessarily mean it's a crimewave. After Butts had raised the issue, Metropolitan Police research showed that in the 12 months to the end of March this year, there were 24 reports of dogs being actively used in crime in the London area (mostly robbery and actual bodily harm). All but one offence involved a dog being used either to threaten or attack the victim. Where there was a description of the dog, the majority were Staffordshire bull terriers.
But many incidents will, of course, be unreported, and Liberal Democrat London Assembly member Graham Tope says he is seriously concerned. "There's been a noticeable rise over the last few years in the ownership of certain types of intimidating dogs, and we are seeing a worrying pattern develop across London, involving dogs as weapons of anti-social behaviour," says Lord Tope, the Lib Dems' London Assembly policing spokesman. "Clearly there is a problem here, and this is the time for action to be taken before it gets out of hand. We're rightly concerned about guns and knives being used, and we're seeing people using dogs as weapons - not yet, thank goodness, on the scale of knife crime. And the excuse often given for carrying a knife is: it's for my own protection - and everybody recognises where that leads . It seems as if the use of dogs is starting to go the same way."
Back in Wandsworth, where the council's six-strong dog control team is one of the largest of any local authority in Britain, Mark Callis agrees that dogs have now become an element in anti-social behaviour. "We have a culture at the moment where youths are obtaining mainly Staffordshire bull terriers - but sometimes bull mastiffs, and occasionally English bull terriers - and they're using them like a status symbol; and on occasions they will use these dogs to intimidate people," he says. In the last two years, he adds, reports from residents concerned about groups of youths with dogs have increased.
"If you've got a group of lads with their dogs all wearing body harnesses or big gold chains, pulling at the leash, and you couple that with the kids perhaps wearing hoodies, then the problem becomes a fear of crime," says Callis. "People only have to see these lads out and they're on the phone to us: 'There's somebody out here with a dangerous dog: I'm scared to let my kids out...'"
The popularity of Staffordshires has, he says, led to indiscriminate breeding. "I've seen adverts for them in Quiksave: Staffordshire bull terrier puppies for sale, £150. Go to a breeder and a decent puppy will set you back £500. There's a number of ways some people will try to toughen them up - and some are downright horrible. Sometimes they're kicked and beaten into submission - that's usually the way - or I've heard stories where people will ask friends to call on them at home and attack the dog, so that it learns to go for anyone who comes near the owner. That's usually when the owner is perhaps going to be carrying drugs. But the sad thing is that, treated right, Staffordshire bull terriers are lovely dogs. But it's the potential damage that they can cause which makes them attractive to thugs - they do have jaws that will lock. If a bull terrier bites your finger and doesn't want to let go, you're probably going to lose it."
Despite the ban on pit bulls under the Dangerous Dogs Act 15 years ago, there are reports that some still change hands in London. Last week police seized a group of nine dogs, which they suspect may be pit bulls. And Mike Butcher, chief inspector of the RSPCA's special operations unit, says it has had increasing calls about large, mastiff-like Canary dogs. "They're the new sexy breed at the moment," he says. "But if you've got a dog and you want to get some status from it, the chances are you're going to train it to do what it shouldn't be doing. Therefore you're going to get issues of it attacking other dogs and people."
But it's Staffordshires that are top of the league. They are the most-stolen dogs in London. Thefts of dogs in the capital in 2005-2006 jumped by 74 per cent on the previous year, to 511. And ahead by a mile at the top of the list were Staffordshires - 284 dogs stolen, 56 per cent of the total. (Next were Rottweilers at just five per cent). And last year Battersea Dogs Home took in a total of 1,192 Staffordshires - more than any other type of dog, including even mongrels. Despite the best efforts of staff to socialise and retrain these dogs, a proportion have been so brutalised or trained to attack or fight that they are impossible to rehome. The Dogs Home says that a "very small percentage" have to be put down.
Among the recent victims of London's "hard dog" culture are legal advocate Rocky Fernandez, 42, and drama voice coach Victoria Fairbrother, 61, who were attacked by two dogs - one of which they believe was an American pit bull - as they walked their German Shepherds on a Saturday morning last month on Wormwood Scrubs. In a lengthy attack - about which, they say, the owner and his female companion seemed unconcerned - Fernandez's dog was savaged, and, after she tripped and fell during the attack, one of the dogs bit through and ripped Ms Fairbrother's ear. She underwent an operation later that day.
Ms Fairbrother says that the dogs' owner responded to Fernandez's plight by hurling abuse at him. After she had taken refuge by crouching in the corner of a children's play area behind some railings, with blood dripping from her ear, the dog's owner had shouted to her, trying to claim that his dog had been muzzled. 'Then I took my hand away from my ear and the woman who was with him said: 'Hold on, her ear's flapping about...' and they then both scarpered to the car park."
Fernandez describes the attack as "absolutely horrifying". And Fairbrother says she will no longer walk her dog on Wormwood Scrubs. She had seen the man there before. "He would be brutalising the dogs for no reason at all, hitting them with a strap, and kicking them. I kept well away from him."
She says she has noticed many more aggressive-looking dogs in the area. "I thought the fashion for Staffs among youngsters would disappear. But it hasn't. It's got worse, actually - it really has. It's sudddenly increased again, and it's very threatening.
"Even puppies of eight or 10 weeks, they're trying to rile them and make them go for each other. It's incredibly sad, for the dogs, because the way they do it is quite a torture-like process, where they starve the dogs and taunt them. I've seen them now and again in the street, pushing the dogs to fight. My neighbour and I are always trying to stop them. And Wormwood Scrubs is a lovely area for dog-walking. But I won't go back there again."
At the time of going to press, police were still searching for the dogs' owner.
Down, boy Six hard-biting, street-fighting canines with criminal cachet
Staffordshire bull terrier
Height: up to 16in
Weight: up to 40lbs
Originally bred in Staffordshire for bull- and bear-baiting, by crossing bulldogs and terriers. Intelligent, brave and loyal. If properly trained, good with people and children (and thus nicknamed Nanny Dog) but instinct is to attack other male bull terriers. Very strong jaws.
Canary dog
Height: up to 25in
Weight: up to 100lbs
Bred in the Canary Islands in the 19th century for dogfighting. Strong, powerful heavyweights, they may be dangerous in unskilled hands. Will repel intruders.
Mastiff
Height: around 30in Weight: up to 200lbs
Used by the Romans for gladiatorial contests; later for hunting, guarding livestock, and bull- and bear-baiting. Fearless and highly loyal and protective. Requires experienced owner.
American Staffordshire terrier
Height: up to 20in
Weight: up to 70lbs
Bred in the US from English Staffordshires; said to be closely related to the American pit bull. Very protective. Makes good guard dog.
American pit bull terrier
Height: around 22in
Weight: most up to 60lbs
Among the strongest and toughest dogs of all - and the one with the worst press. Originally bred in the US from bulldogs and terriers for pit-fighting. Desperate to please its master, it will fight to the death. Although banned in Britain in 1991 by the Dangerous Dogs Act, there remains a thriving black market in the breed.
Japanese Tosa
Height: around 25in
Weight: up to 200lbs
Massive and very strong; originally bred for dogfighting in Japan. Can be aggressive and unpredictable with strangers and other dogs. Banned in 1991, a handful are still kept illegally.
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One time some idiot tried to tell me that I would face a fine if I did not muzzle my pitbull.
I explained to him it was an American Bulldog and he was just a puppy. He said "same thing" when I stated he was an Ab. I said no not same thing. If this was a pitbull he would act the same way. He would act like a regular dog. To many of these fools think these breeds are born monsters.
I do not give a shit what breed you have. If some ignorant tough guy own a dog and does not socialize, train it, or treat it the right way it will be aggressive. Pitbull or golden retriever.
I am going to have a laugh in ten years when the meatheads switch through a few different breeds. Same shit different day.
German Shepards are statistically more dangerous than pits. They rank in the top three of most "dangerous dogs". If that breed is so out of control and dangerous why do they use them for police work? A k9 must show restraint. It must be highly trained. It must have the ability to attack the bad but be timid with the good.
where is the Doberman, Rotty, Mastiff, GS,bans?
My mother has two Lahsa Apso. One male and one female.I bought the male for her in 1992.He has never been mistreated at all, but let me tell you that little peckerhead will bite your face off if you get down in his face.( women are horrible about this...they always want to try and kiss him on the nose because he is cute...).He only weighs 18 lbs,but he thinks he is the "big tough dog" He isn't mean but he just doesn't like to be messed with.and NEVER wants to be picked up.He is also very protective of my mom. When I go to visit,he will not allow me(or anyone else) to touch or kiss my mom.One time she was sick and was lying on her couch and I went to kiss her bye and he came after me.The female ,however,will jump up on a complete strangers lap and lick their face and just love them to death...same breed,just different personalities.I think dogs are like people..some are friendly and nice and others are ass holes.I don't think it matters much what kind of dog it is ,they will all have their own personality.
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That is very true. My grandfather had a small chiwowa named "chip". My grandfather was an Italian immigrant. He had no clue on how to speak English let alone raise a dog. That little bastard was the meanest thing in the world. Bite my entire family. he only liked my Granfather and Grandmother.
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Are Pit Bulls Dangerous Dogs?
Fact: Out of the estimated 53 million dogs in the United States 92 fatal attacks are contributed to Pit Bulls or Pit Bull Mixes (2 were from American Staffordshire Terriers) from 1965-2001.
Source: Fatal Dog Attacks by Karen Delise
Imagine that. 53 million dogs. 92 fatal attacks out of 431 that span a 37 year period (1965-2001). Now I ask you, after looking at the numbers do we have a dangerous dog problem?
During that time period for my state of Kentucky there were 9 fatal dog attacks. Only one was a Pit Bull "type" dog.
Another attack during that time frame for my state was a Dachshund that killed a 14 day old baby after jumping in his crib.
Do we have a dangerous dog problem or is it being sensationalized to sell newspapers and create panic?
Fatal dog attacks by dangerous dogs are almost non-existent. 20 a year out of millions of dogs. The percentages are estimated to be somewhere around .0000004% of dog attacks are fatal.
If Pit Bulls Are Not Dangerous Dogs Why Do We have a Pit Bull Problem?
Personally I think the Pit Bull problem has more to do with people having a problem with Pit Bulls not the other way around.
Pit Bulls are outstanding dogs, like any dog that is well loved, trained, exercised, and cared for properly can be.
However, Pit Bulls are different. They are infectious with their energy and their wiliness to suffer the abuses of society and come back with a big goofy grin and a tongue lying in wait to lick the first face that gets close enough.
I have rescued dogs and I have seen dogs that were abused and neglected hop in my lap, look deep into my eyes and plant a smack of a lick right on my forehead.
Pit Bulls are different for sure. They expose humans for the cruel and inhumane beasts we are and we don't like it.
Pit Bulls are not dangerous dogs. They are however, abused, sold to irresponsible owners, the favorite dogs of drug dealers, and street gangs and this is by far the most damaging part of the problem.
Even with these record numbers of dogs these days the fatal attacks caused by Pit Bulls is nothing compared to the inhumanity we face on a daily basis. We are talking about 20 fatal attacks by dogs a year, most of which are not Pit Bulls, this is not a Pit Bull problem folks.
CDC Stats are out dated
The Center for Disease Control statistics are outdated and often misused in situations like creating a breed specific law.
The problem is not breed specific but people specific. As I mentioned, irresponsible owners, gang members, dog fighters, and others who use the breed to boost their own macho attitudes and cruel intentions are the problem.
However, regulating them would be near impossible or too costly, at least that is the governments excuse for not doing anything other than banning or restricting the breed.
God forbid if we expected people to have to take responsibility for their actions.
CDC stats are outdated and this contributes to the problem as well. Pro-BSL people like PETA and other groups of fanatics use them to skew the picture into the picture they want the public to see.
Uneducated government officials believe these groups and the general public eats their BS with a giant spoon.
As Pit Bull owners around the world suffer from unrealistic expectations and BSL these groups sit on their all knowing thrones and laugh and feel powerful.
New statistics are in order for sure, but figuring out the exact population of dogs is as impossible a task if there ever was one.
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Its funny because we can come up with credible scientific studies and facts to support our argument.
Yet the other side cannot come up with anything more than isolated incident,myths,propaganda or just plain nonsense ::)
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Its funny because we can come up with credible scientific studies and facts to support our argument.
Yet the other side cannot come up with anything more than isolated incident,myths,propaganda or just plain nonsense ::)
they will keep coming up with new bullshit....they wont stop no matter how hard the truth hits them in the face.
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Its funny because we can come up with credible scientific studies and facts to support our argument.
Yet the other side cannot come up with anything more than isolated incident,myths,propaganda or just plain nonsense ::)
I didn't read that whole article jmt1 posted, just the first few paragraphs.
Are you trying to imply that there isn't a problem with Pitbull attacks? Since you're a fellow Boston guy I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying before I rebut your post. ;D
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I didn't read that whole article jmt1 posted, just the first few paragraphs.
Are you trying to imply that there isn't a problem with Pitbull attacks? Since you're a fellow Boston guy I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying before I rebut your post. ;D
There is not in my opinion a problem with pitbull attacks. It is no more a problem than rottwiler attacks when they where more popular than pitbulls. Now that breed is on the back burner.Seems the public must have thought all those problem rottys went away when the pits started coming around.There is however a problem with convicted fellons,crack dealers and gang bangers owning these dogs.
I am willing to bet right now 98 percent of all these attacks have happened in low income areas (high crime areas) or with inexperienced or negligent owners.
I used to live in savin hill before I moved. At the time pits where not the big thing. it was rottys. Let me tell you all the attacks that happened where results from the fools who owned them.
Let me clarify my stance. I am not against some form of fair solution. Both sides have points and also rights. But lets face the facts. how many pit attacks would there be if the owners where responsible and did the right thing? I am totally against banning any type of breed. People have no right to do that.
How would this country be if that is how things where solved. Higher crime rate with blacks? Ban em all to Africa?
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I think in the future you should have to apply to have a dog period.
The MSPCA or any other humane society would go to the persons residence who's applying for the dog permit. Certan criteria should have to be met.
In a city near me (lawrence) every idiot owns a pit...
The cops just busted a bunch of puerto ricans for running a house where they trained them to fight.
They even found a pit skull in the yard of the residence.
They lost in court though because they couldn't prove it and couldn't get a search warrant for the house .
When the cops went to check out the house they got the door slammed on them.
One cops arm was cut by a broken pane of glass in the door and required 6 stitches.
All of the people at the house including the female owner were arrested for assault and battery on a police officer,resisting arrest andd mayhem...
Nice folks.....think they owned 3 pits besides the ones they were training.
So I think having to apply to have a pet is a good idea.
If you live in a 1 room apartment you can't have a dog
If you don't have a job so you can afford good care for your dog you can't have one ...etc....etc
Its always about the owners so its time to check them out and then decide if they're a responsible
candidate to own a pet.
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There is not in my opinion a problem with pitbull attacks. It is no more a problem than rottwiler attacks when they where more popular than pitbulls. Now that breed is on the back burner.Seems the public must have thought all those problem rottys went away when the pits started coming around.There is however a problem with convicted fellons,crack dealers and gang bangers owning these dogs.
I am willing to bet right now 98 percent of all these attacks have happened in low income areas (high crime areas) or with inexperienced or negligent owners.
I used to live in savin hill before I moved. At the time pits where not the big thing. it was rottys. Let me tell you all the attacks that happened where results from the fools who owned them.
Let me clarify my stance. I am not against some form of fair solution. Both sides have points and also rights. But lets face the facts. how many pit attacks would there be if the owners where responsible and did the right thing? I am totally against banning any type of breed. People have no right to do that.
How would this country be if that is how things where solved. Higher crime rate with blacks? Ban em all to Africa?
I think you're losing sight of the forest for the trees. It doesn't matter if Rotties used to be a problem. It also doesn't matter if unscrupulous owners are the problem because the owners don't commit the actual attacks.
In my opinion anyone that feeds gun powder to a dog should be shot. The world doesn't need anymore sadistic scumbags but since those fools can't be shot then the tools they use to create harm (ie Pit Bulls) need to be controlled somehow. Fines don't work, policing by the cities and towns doesn't work. So what is the next logical step?
The problem that Pit Bulls face is that they are still used for fighting. Until we can eliminate dog fights completely this problem will persist.
It's really a simple equation, we can't control the bad owners so then the dogs must be controlled and the only way to control them completely is via banning.
I don't agree with banning but I can see how certain people do. As always, a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone else and in this case a whole breed of animal.
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Kids and people in general should not be put in danger so you can have your beloved breed of dog.
I don't care if you're a good and responsible owner, the point is that a lot of people aren't responsible.
I'm in NY and I've heard many stories and seen lots of people, especially kids being mauled by these vicious breeds. You're selfish when you endanger the lives of others just so you can raise some dog that you love.
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Effin your argument is sound. I can understand your feelings. But that is not the way to control a problem. When you ban the pits they will move onto another breed. Ban that breed and the same thing will happen. Until the source of the problem is controlled tools will be found to create these debates. Wether it be handguns, pitbulls, rottys or any other tool to cause another human harm.
As a whole pitbull statistics prove my point. The majority of pitbulls are great animals. Even those who are owned by idiots rarely attack and kill people. Under 100 deaths in over 30 years! There are vicious pitbulls. But there are viscous golden retrievers.
Boston has a big problem with gun violence and escalating gang wars. These fools are worried about pitbulls ::)
I would be willing to muzzle my dog at all times in public to shut all the myth freaks up. I would be willing to muzzle my animal that did NOTHING wrong to be flexible.
But it is never enough for these clowns. If they found that pitbull sympathy would get them votes it would be the city's mascot.
Oh and by the way Boston is so obsessed with terriers. Funny how they want to ban a form of it :o
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Kids and people in general should not be put in danger so you can have your beloved breed of dog.
I don't care if you're a good and responsible owner, the point is that a lot of people aren't responsible.
I'm in NY and I've heard many stories and seen lots of people, especially kids being mauled by these vicious breeds. You're selfish when you endanger the lives of others just so you can raise some dog that you love.
Your full of shit. You haven't seen many people being mauled.Post 10 articles from NY papers about 10 different maulings this year. I mean this year. not in the last 500 years. I bet you a hundred dollars every one of those pitbulls is owned by some low life scumbag.
I see your handle is camel jockey. I bet you are a fair non discriminant type of guy ::)
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'Boston has a big problem with gun violence and escalating gang wars'
Don't forget collapsing 14 billion dollar tunnels that kill people !
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'Boston has a big problem with gun violence and escalating gang wars'
Don't forget collapsing 14 billion dollar tunnels that kill people !
Can't wait to hear Matt Amorello spin that one. The crap should be flying for weeks over this one.
Romney vs. Amorello, get your ringside seats now.
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Effin your argument is sound. I can understand your feelings. But that is not the way to control a problem. When you ban the pits they will move onto another breed. Ban that breed and the same thing will happen. Until the source of the problem is controlled tools will be found to create these debates. Wether it be handguns, pitbulls, rottys or any other tool to cause another human harm.
As a whole pitbull statistics prove my point. The majority of pitbulls are great animals. Even those who are owned by idiots rarely attack and kill people. Under 100 deaths in over 30 years! There are vicious pitbulls. But there are viscous golden retrievers.
Boston has a big problem with gun violence and escalating gang wars. These fools are worried about pitbulls ::)
I would be willing to muzzle my dog at all times in public to shut all the myth freaks up. I would be willing to muzzle my animal that did NOTHING wrong to be flexible.
But it is never enough for these clowns. If they found that pitbull sympathy would get them votes it would be the city's mascot.
Oh and by the way Boston is so obsessed with terriers. Funny how they want to ban a form of it :o
Body, do you think these moron owners would have Pit Bulls as pets if they weren't still used as fighting dogs? Isn't one of the appeals of a Pit Bull to a thug/gangsta that these dogs fight to the death?
I think if you stop the fighting the dogs won't have as much appeal to the dirtbags. Of course stopping the fights would be next to impossible.
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Time for me to chime in on this, being a pit bull owner and proponent of the breed. As many of you know, i adopted a pitbull with bad back legs from my girl's work (spca).
There is one telling tidbit that i would like to impart to all of you. Like i said, my girlfriend works at the SPCA, and many (i'd say 8 of ten) of the admin/higher up people have pit bulls, these are highly trained dog and animal experts and they have pit bulls. And why you ask? They all give the same answer "they are the best breed." Now, why the news/media aren't talking to these people i have no idea. I guess a reliable source is never as entertaining as speculation and mythology.
My dog really looks like a killer, huh:
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i tihkn we shold just stop people with a below average IQ or below 21 own a pit
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Body, do you think these moron owners would have Pit Bulls as pets if they weren't still used as fighting dogs? Isn't one of the appeals of a Pit Bull to a thug/gangsta that these dogs fight to the death?
I think if you stop the fighting the dogs won't have as much appeal to the dirtbags. Of course stopping the fights would be next to impossible.
no doubt that is a huge part of the appeal. I also think the musculare stature and loyalty of the breed by nature are a huge draw. Notice how popular the breed is on a bodybuilding website!
I can see where the argument is made from the other side of this issue. But my point is when you ban the pits what will all the tough guys and thugs get to replace them? Pretty soon you will ban all dogs. That is not fair.
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i tihkn we shold just stop people with a below average IQ or below 21 own a pit
A convicted felon cannot buy a gun. Why can they own a pit? There should be a screening for those with a wrap sheet found to have or want to own a pit. If you are a felon and prove you can own an animal responsibly fine. BUt if you are some tough scum bag maggot found in possesion of pits there should be a probation violation.
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Time for me to chime in on this, being a pit bull owner and proponent of the breed. As many of you know, i adopted a pitbull with bad back legs from my girl's work (spca).
There is one telling tidbit that i would like to impart to all of you. Like i said, my girlfriend works at the SPCA, and many (i'd say 8 of ten) of the admin/higher up people have pit bulls, these are highly trained dog and animal experts and they have pit bulls. And why you ask? They all give the same answer "they are the best breed." Now, why the news/media aren't talking to these people i have no idea. I guess a reliable source is never as entertaining as speculation and mythology.
My dog really looks like a killer, huh:
Sensationalism my friend. All those baised shitbags are after.
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heres my girl at the gym.
chillin on the bench.
resting between sets.
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few more....
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evil beast!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
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Looks even more ferocious than mine ;)
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Do the people who put up pictures of pit victims feel the same way for car accident victims? The consensus here seems to be "It's stupid people" Well the same goes for most of the idiots who cause auto accidents. So the logic being you can't get rid of stupid people so we get rid of the pits... Feel the same way about cars then? Can't get rid of stupid people, get rid of cars?... Cars kill thousands more than all dog breeds combined, stupid people are behind it, and people die in just as gruesome a way.
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evil beast!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
Hey body88.It is very obvious that you are pasionate about this subject,and that you love your dog.I admire that you can debate this issue without name calling and insults,and you can see both sides of it...So if you love your pup,you should see if jmt1 will introduce him to nikita(I guess that is a girl) so he can get him some ass. hahaha :D
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Hey body88.It is very obvious that you are pasionate about this subject,and that you love your dog.I admire that you can debate this issue without name calling and insults,and you can see both sides of it...So if you love your pup,you should see if jmt1 will introduce him to nikita(I guess that is a girl) so he can get him some ass. hahaha :D
Haha thanks man!
I think it is almost time for old frankie to get fixed, He is almost 7 months and starting to hump everything in sight. Here he is snoozing after a long session with the pillow.
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Do the people who put up pictures of pit victims feel the same way for car accident victims? The consensus here seems to be "It's stupid people" Well the same goes for most of the idiots who cause auto accidents. So the logic being you can't get rid of stupid people so we get rid of the pits... Feel the same way about cars then? Can't get rid of stupid people, get rid of cars?... Cars kill thousands more than all dog breeds combined, stupid people are behind it, and people die in just as gruesome a way.
A very true quote right here. There are thousands and thousand of auto accidents per year. Hell thousands per day where negligent drivers harm innocent people. There are under 10 pitbull attacks that are fatal per year. Under 30 in the last 30 years! You have a 1000 times better chance to die from lightning than a pitbull. The answer is not to ban pitbull just like the answer is not to ban cars. The answer is also not to do nothing about the owner problem facing this breed. Both sides have rights. But the anti pit side is fueled by myth and emotion. To very bad motivations to make decisions that to some people will be very unfair and troubling. Pitbulls are just that latest tool Americas thugs, gangsters and drug dealers use to exploit. You ban the pits they will just move on to another "tough" breed that is not banned.
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A very true quote right here. There are thousands and thousand of auto accidents per year. Hell thousands per day where negligent drivers harm innocent people. There are under 10 pitbull attacks that are fatal per year. Under 30 in the last 30 years! You have a 1000 times better chance to die from lightning than a pitbull. The answer is not to ban pitbull just like the answer is not to ban cars. The answer is also not to do nothing about the owner problem facing this breed. Both sides have rights. But the anti pit side is fueled by myth and emotion. To very bad motivations to make decisions that to some people will be very unfair and troubling. Pitbulls are just that latest tool Americas thugs, gangsters and drug dealers use to exploit. You ban the pits they will just move on to another "tough" breed that is not banned.
Exactly, well put.
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To explain how gangsters started to love pits there are two main reasons IMO. Attempting to protect a drug house is one of them. They got the "toughest" breed they could find. The only problem with that is pits are not good guard dogs. They are expert dog fighters but guarding is just not there specialty. They are very very people friendly. Unless trained to be otherwise of course. A doberman or rotty would be a much better gaurd dog choice.
Also hip hop was a big contributer. When dmx come out with all those videos all the "thugs" copied.
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I have to chime in on this. I grew up around pits, my dad always loved the breed and we had quite a few while growing up. Even had one that was a retired fighter that my dad took off some assholes hands who was going to put him down. GREAT breed of dog. The whole issue is that when a pit does bite/attack the amount of damage is so severe that it scares the shit out of people. On avg, they are much less aggresive towards people than many other breeds.
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. On avg, they are much less aggresive towards people than many other breeds.
that is very true...its too bad most people dont know that....
earlier in this thread i posted the scores from the american temperment society....
temperament is:
"the sum total of all inborn and acquired physical and mental traits and talents which
determines, forms and regulates behavior in the environment"
The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.
the fact is that the apbt scored higher than most breeds including collies and golden retrievers.
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I have to chime in on this. I grew up around pits, my dad always loved the breed and we had quite a few while growing up. Even had one that was a retired fighter that my dad took off some assholes hands who was going to put him down. GREAT breed of dog. The whole issue is that when a pit does bite/attack the amount of damage is so severe that it scares the shit out of people. On avg, they are much less aggresive towards people than many other breeds.
Good post. I am aware the massive damage they can inflict. That is why i would be willing to muzzle my dog in public to appease anti pitbull people. But anything more than that is ridiculous and a cop out. They should be going after the owners who use animals as weapons. Like Ive said about 50 times. You ban pits they will just pick one of the hundreds of breeds that are not banned. A pit can do massive damage but seems to me so couldent a mean Akita.
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another important point is that animal agression does not translate to human agression. most pits are gonna show some agression towards other animals ...as do all bully breeds...it just a part of who they are... if they are trained and socialized to be around other animals its really not a problem...from the start this dog was also bread with a strong bite inhibition towards humans...this bite inhibition was so strong that the person could step in the middle of a fight without the fear of getting bit...if a pit ever shows human agression you can be sure that the dog has either been abused, trained to be that way, or a product of some scum bag back yard breeder who is trying to breed that trait into the dog.
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here is an example of how these bsl idiots think.
this is from a city in iowa that is considering a ban on pits as well as other "agressive" breeds.
⢠The City Council discussed the possibility of an ordinance against ownership of certain breeds of dogs after a 10-year-old was attacked.
The current city ordinance addresses issues for all vicious animals, with no breeds named specifically, and deals with situations reactively.
Since the dog involved in the attack has been put down, there are no charges that can be filed, City Administrator Brian James said.
"I think we should look at this real strongly," Councilor Tom Salm said.
Although it may be hard to develop an ordinance for certain breeds, there is evidence that some breeds are more aggressive than others, councilors said.
"We don't need our kids being bitten by any dog," Salm said.
Councilor Matt Bahl said that a dog bit him earlier this year while riding his bike in unincorporated county land.
"That was not a pit bull. That was just a dog," Bahl said. "It's shocking and scary, and it can be life threatening. We don't need to have that in our community."
Mayor Dave Franker said he would support a city ban on pit bulls.
"We're not going to make our city perfectly safe, but we could make it much safer," Franker said.
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here is an example of how these bsl idiots think.
this is from a city in iowa that is considering a ban on pits as well as other "agressive" breeds.
⢠The City Council discussed the possibility of an ordinance against ownership of certain breeds of dogs after a 10-year-old was attacked.
The current city ordinance addresses issues for all vicious animals, with no breeds named specifically, and deals with situations reactively.
Since the dog involved in the attack has been put down, there are no charges that can be filed, City Administrator Brian James said.
"I think we should look at this real strongly," Councilor Tom Salm said.
Although it may be hard to develop an ordinance for certain breeds, there is evidence that some breeds are more aggressive than others, councilors said.
"We don't need our kids being bitten by any dog," Salm said.
Councilor Matt Bahl said that a dog bit him earlier this year while riding his bike in unincorporated county land.
"That was not a pit bull. That was just a dog," Bahl said. "It's shocking and scary, and it can be life threatening. We don't need to have that in our community."
Mayor Dave Franker said he would support a city ban on pit bulls.
"We're not going to make our city perfectly safe, but we could make it much safer," Franker said.
Lol oh brother..... Iowa is just soooooooooo dangerous ::)
Let all the small town hicks have there gun racks stocked with shotguns in there trucks. But ban those damn pits!
I just read the Iowa dog bite statistics and they to are saying Pitbull TYPE. If you are going to blackball a whole breed you cannot say pitbull TYPE. It is a pitbull or not. They clearly say rottweiler. Not rottweiler type. What are all the breeds in a rotty included as rottweiler types? ::)
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check what this idiot has to say... >:(
ENOUGH TALKING, TIME TO BAN PIT BULLS
GREG CLARK COMMENTARY
Keeping pit bulls, chows and Rottweilers in our cities is just like playing Russian roulette with fangs.
Sooner or later, a dog will maul somebody. In recent weeks, that horror has played through our souls, over and over. Now its time to ban the breeds.
Theres a problem with those two paragraphs and no, its not the harsh call to control the carnage.
The problem is that I wrote those paragraphs following a spate of attacks in 1997. The topic also came up in the 1980s, when The Star published a special package following a nationwide scourge of attacks.
Several years and numerous attacks later, most of our cities still havent gotten it right. So here we are again, this time in 2006, with another chance.
Independence, Gladstone, Raytown, Overland Park, Olathe and North Kansas City are among cities throughout the metro area debating the issue.
The time for debate has long since passed. Just ask the families of the three Independence men who were mauled earlier this year by three pit bulls.
After I wrote that column in 1997, I faced a barrage of comments from the public. Most agreed with me. Some did not. The three opposing points I heard most often:
Its wrong to pick on specific breeds, such as pit bulls. All dogs bite.
The problem isnt the dogs; its irresponsible owners who breed and train them for violence.
This wouldnt happen if people would teach people especially kids not to pet strange dogs. Maybe parents should keep their children on a leash.
Were hearing those same arguments again, and theyre still just as lame. Let me address them in order.
Proponents of the first argument are right. All dogs bite. But when was the last time you heard of a beagle, Scottie or Chihuahua nearly chomping off somebodys arm?
As for the second argument, its irrelevant. If a dog is going for your throat, you dont care how it became vicious; you just want it gone.
Finally, the third argument, that people shouldnt pet strange dogs. Good point. But the three men mauled in Independence werent trying to pet the animals. And a boy recently attacked in Olathe was injured after the dog jumped a fence.
The bottom line is that these dogs pose an unreasonable and unnecessary risk to the communities that allow them.
But if our cities dont want to remove current pets, at least they could outlaw any more from taking up residence.
Were it not for one variable what to do about mixed-breeds the decision to ban them should be easy. Perhaps cities could appoint a board of veterinarians or animal-control officers who could decide if mongrel dogs have enough pit bull in them to pose a menace.
After the uproar in the 1990s city leaders talked, listened and commissioned studies. Some cities even wrote or toughened laws against dangerous animals. That obviously wasnt enough.
Now, please, no more talk. Just ban the animals.
Otherwise our cities will continue to play Russian roulette with fangs.
To reach Greg Clark, call (816) 234-7803 or send e-mail to gclark@kcstar.com.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/15013912.htm
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check what this idiot has to say... >:(
ENOUGH TALKING, TIME TO BAN PIT BULLS
GREG CLARK COMMENTARY
Keeping pit bulls, chows and Rottweilers in our cities is just like playing Russian roulette with fangs.
Sooner or later, a dog will maul somebody. In recent weeks, that horror has played through our souls, over and over. Now its time to ban the breeds.
Theres a problem with those two paragraphs and no, its not the harsh call to control the carnage.
The problem is that I wrote those paragraphs following a spate of attacks in 1997. The topic also came up in the 1980s, when The Star published a special package following a nationwide scourge of attacks.
Several years and numerous attacks later, most of our cities still havent gotten it right. So here we are again, this time in 2006, with another chance.
Independence, Gladstone, Raytown, Overland Park, Olathe and North Kansas City are among cities throughout the metro area debating the issue.
The time for debate has long since passed. Just ask the families of the three Independence men who were mauled earlier this year by three pit bulls.
After I wrote that column in 1997, I faced a barrage of comments from the public. Most agreed with me. Some did not. The three opposing points I heard most often:
Its wrong to pick on specific breeds, such as pit bulls. All dogs bite.
The problem isnt the dogs; its irresponsible owners who breed and train them for violence.
This wouldnt happen if people would teach people especially kids not to pet strange dogs. Maybe parents should keep their children on a leash.
Were hearing those same arguments again, and theyre still just as lame. Let me address them in order.
Proponents of the first argument are right. All dogs bite. But when was the last time you heard of a beagle, Scottie or Chihuahua nearly chomping off somebodys arm?
As for the second argument, its irrelevant. If a dog is going for your throat, you dont care how it became vicious; you just want it gone.
Finally, the third argument, that people shouldnt pet strange dogs. Good point. But the three men mauled in Independence werent trying to pet the animals. And a boy recently attacked in Olathe was injured after the dog jumped a fence.
The bottom line is that these dogs pose an unreasonable and unnecessary risk to the communities that allow them.
But if our cities dont want to remove current pets, at least they could outlaw any more from taking up residence.
Were it not for one variable what to do about mixed-breeds the decision to ban them should be easy. Perhaps cities could appoint a board of veterinarians or animal-control officers who could decide if mongrel dogs have enough pit bull in them to pose a menace.
After the uproar in the 1990s city leaders talked, listened and commissioned studies. Some cities even wrote or toughened laws against dangerous animals. That obviously wasnt enough.
Now, please, no more talk. Just ban the animals.
Otherwise our cities will continue to play Russian roulette with fangs.
To reach Greg Clark, call (816) 234-7803 or send e-mail to gclark@kcstar.com.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/15013912.htm
i am emailing this assclown right now. I am going to rip him a new asshole ;D
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i am emailing this assclown right now. I am going to rip him a new asshole ;D
i thought about emailing this dickhead also...he seems like the type that has his agenda and nothing will make him change his position...i dont have the paitence to deal with people like that.... cant believe this moron actually said our cities are "playing russian roulette with fangs".
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play find the pit bull....shows pictures of 25 different dogs that could be considered "pit bull types"....click on the dog that is the pit bull.
if you get mauled by one of these vicous beasts you should atleast be abe to make a positive id.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
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i thought about emailing this dickhead also...he seems like the type that has his agenda and nothing will make him change his position...i dont have the paitence to deal with people like that.... cant believe this moron actually said our cities are "playing russian roulette with fangs".
Email him..... I referenced your sources on the temperament. You have alot of knowledge and are well spoken. Maybe it will piss him off enough to print some of our facts!
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Good post. I am aware the massive damage they can inflict. That is why i would be willing to muzzle my dog in public to appease anti pitbull people. But anything more than that is ridiculous and a cop out. They should be going after the owners who use animals as weapons. Like Ive said about 50 times. You ban pits they will just pick one of the hundreds of breeds that are not banned. A pit can do massive damage but seems to me so couldent a mean Akita.
You know...THAT sounds like the best solution.Completely fair to both sides.I say that without knowing exactly how big a pain it is to deal with put'n a muzzle on a pit bull. :-\ because I never put a muzzle on a dog,but I would imagine they might get a bit upset while you were doing it....If they passed a law requiring all pits to be muzzled while in public,or outside in the yard without a chain,then any attack that occured would be an open and shut case of the DOG OWNER breaking the law.How could they argue? He can't maul someone while muzzled.It would be no contest.Then they should impose harsh criminal penalties on the owners,and take their dog.
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I don't know about this pit bull thing...... I understand the point about the bad owners... However about a 2-3 years ago i remember hearing on the news about an 11 year old boy who was walking home from school and got attacked by a pitt bull. The kid died. So it's hard for me hear about how they aren't dangerous.
I know a handicapped girl who was mauled by three pit bulls early one morning when she went to work at the bakery. The owner had let them run free to urinate thinking no one was outside that early. Before banning the dogs there should be VERY HEAVY jail sentences for people who's dogs hurt humans or other animals.
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Hence the desire for the ban. There's no question the problem is with bad dog owners rather than the breed, however, bad dog owners only come to light AFTER a vicious attack. And in some cases, pits with good owners have attacked as well. We recently had a case here in Toronto where a pit bull attacked a little girl who she had played with for years. The girl grew up next to the dog, and had a great relationship with the dog and the dog owner. One day, the dog out of the blue attacked the little girl. The owner who was beside herself with grief had the dog put down. Pits have a jaw that locks, and that makes them especially dangerous.
There are other breeds of dogs that are more likely to bite you than a Pit Bull. The thing with the Pit Bulls is they can kill a grown man. Not many breeds have the strength to do this.
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i'm not saying your making that up but i would bet there is more to the story than that.
and pit bulls do not have jaws that lock...there in absolutely no mechanism for a pits jaw to lock....that is one of the many myths of the pit bull.
They may not have lock jaws but they have an EXTREMELY strong bite and will hold on till they are killed.
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They may not have lock jaws but they have an EXTREMELY strong bite and will hold on till they are killed.
This is true. A pitbull is a respinsibilty to own. Just like a rottwieler or any other powerful dog. There is no lock but a pit has a 1800 psi bite. 1000 psi higher than any other breed. So although pits are good tempered and awesome animals. People need to understand how to own one and be responsible.
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THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.
And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation really goes after them.
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This is true. A pitbull is a respinsibilty to own. Just like a rottwieler or any other powerful dog. There is no lock but a pit has a 1800 psi bite. 1000 psi higher than any other breed. So although pits are good tempered and awesome animals. People need to understand how to own one and be responsible.
hey 88, i had always thought that was true about the 1500-2000 psi bite. but it turns out to be just another pit bull myth that was taken and ran with.
here is the info on the study...
Pit Bulls have a 1800 PSI Jaw Pressure. Wrong again. Working with author Karen Delise (Fatal Dog Attacks) we have researched the references used for this data and have found there is no factual research to support this claim. This myth stems from an article published in the 1989 The Journal of Trauma "Mauling by Pit bull Terriers: A Case Report" by Bret R. Baack, M.D., John O. Kucan, M.D., Gerland Demarest, M.D and E. Clyde Smoot, M.D. On Page 519 it states: "Pit Bulls bite with greater force than most dogs (up to 1,800lb/in2) (4).
Reference (4) cited for this fact is: "Dog bites in children: Epidemiology, microbiology, and penicillin prophylactic Therapy but Douglas A. Boenning, M.D., Gary R. Fleisher, M.D., and Joesph M. Campos, PhD.
However, neither the topic of bite pressure nor pit bulls is addressed or even mentioned throughout the entire article.
This case report is promoted by many people as fact, yet it's not substantiated anywhere.
On the other hand, here is scientific evidence proving this myth is an urban legend:
Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic (Dangerous Encounters: Bite Force, 8pm est 8/18/2005) – Dr. Barr measured bite forces of many different creatures. Domestic dogs were included in the test.
Here are the results of all of the animals tested:
Humans: 120 pounds of bite pressure
Domestic dogs: 320 LBS of pressure on avg. A German Shepard, American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) and Rottweiler were tested using a bite sleeve equipped with a specialized computer instrument. The APBT had the least amount of pressure of the 3 dogs tested.
Wild dogs: 310 lbs
Lions: 600 lbs
White sharks: 600 lbs
Hyenas: 1000 lbs
Snapping turtles: 1000 lbs
Crocodiles: 2500 lbs
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Just watch the dog whisperer and
everything will be ok ;D
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THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.
And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation really goes after them.
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Good links, thanks. I've just watched the first one, the bit called 'schooling' was pretty sad. The dog they were training to fight just didn't want to know and looked terrified. Quite sad knowing that these dogs only purpose in life is to tear each other to shreads.
I willing to bet that most of the dogs that don't make it into fighting get sold on to those street fools at the begining of the film, who say that they make 'good weapons'
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After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.
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After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.
Didn't watch the vid, but are you saying pits from the vid who were former fighters, etc... of just pits in general don't make good family dogs?
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After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.
what in the world does that video have to do with pits not making good family pets???
you made it clear from your posts in this thread that you dont like pits...thats cool... theres nothing wrong with that...their not for everyone.
but can you tell me why u keep comin with the negative comments?
i think its been pretty well documented in here that pits are a very people loving, excellent temperment breed that do make great family pets.
since you say anyone who thinks they make good family pets is not thinking straight does that mean you are in favor of banning the dog?
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After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.
You are right they are not great family pets. They are the PERFECT family pet. Nothing in this world is more loyal. Those dogs are not a normal pitbull not exposed to the horror.
Just to reiderate. St Bernards are often considered great family pets. At 200 lbs and very aggresive they can kill humans with ease. People dont jump all over them since they are cute a fluffy.
I can tell you from expierence my pit was very gentle with all small children. Happy playful and loyal.
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I'd love to get my hands on those monkey lookin' dog killers.. That right there pisses me off.. Cant these ghetto chumps ever get a real job..
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THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.
And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation really goes after them.
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Sad. They need to get people involved with this stuff off the streets.
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I swear to god im going to go fuck up some pitbull abusers tonight!!!!
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what does everyone think of these proposals...
I propose all persons purchasing a pit bull or pit bull mix must provide a photo id regardless of the source of the sale. The seller should be required to copy that information and file it in the proposed Bully Breed Adoption Registry kept at animal control, not to protect the public or invade privacy but to protect the animal from underground dog fighting rings. In the even that there are several dogs being fought and an owner does not step forward, the local animal control will be able to cross reference names and pets. Pitt Bulls should not be given as free to good home pets in the classifieds but rather turned into animal control who will ensure that these puppies are given a good home
I propose that there be a reward offered for information leading to the prevention or end of a dog fight. I am willing to donate $1000.00 towards that fund. That will generate more public cooperation in ending dog fighting rings.
I also propose that when a dog fight is stopped, no matter if it’s before the fight during or after, that a $1000.00 fine per dog on the premises is imposed on the bystanders regardless of involvement. This will lead to more public cooperating in ending this brutal blood sport. Also if it is found that there is an owner or someone in charge of the event, usually the person holding the proceeds or bets, get a mandatory seven year prison sentence and while serving that time receive mandatory counseling and paying restitution that will fund the emergency vet clinics and the Dog Fight Prevention reward fund.
I also propose that in fairness to the breed if there is a bite incident, that 2 veterinarians certify the breed. There are many APBT look alike, but only one APBT. This will help control the media frenzy and encourage many families to consider adopting these dogs which will also help heal this breed’s image and put them where they belong, with a loving family.
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jmt1, sounds good to me.
It's funny to me how the people who are so anti-pit have never actually owned one, or I would venture to say, ever even been in contact with one on a regular basis. They are just brainwashed by the media. Stupid fucks.
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JMT good ideas.... Stoppa that is very true. 99 percent of the people bashing pits have never owned, interacted or Been in contact with one.
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JMT good ideas.... Stoppa that is very true. 99 percent of the people bashing pits have never owned, interacted or Been in contact with one.
those arent my proposals by the way...they are part of a petition i saw online...i'll post the link in case anyone wants to sign it.
it think they are steps in the right direction...would be a good idea about having all sellers and buyers register there dogs in a special registry but i'm not sure how well that could be enforced.
the dog fighting penalties are still a bit leanient for me....i would go with a 1st degree murder charge and life for the convicted dog fighters and accessory to for all those watching ;D....but hey i'm kind of a nut on this issue.
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those arent my proposals by the way...they are part of a petition i saw online...i'll post the link in case anyone wants to sign it.
it think they are steps in the right direction...would be a good idea about having all sellers and buyers register there dogs in a special registry but i'm not sure how well that could be enforced.
the dog fighting penalties are still a bit lenient for me....i would go with a 1st degree murder charge and life for the convicted dog fighters and accessory to for all those watching ;D....but hey I'm kind of a nut on this issue.
Not really Dog fighting is not only cruel. It also comes with drugs, prostitution, guns and a slew of other crimes. I would be all for tough sentences for dog fighters. There is no reason for it.
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yep, there usually involved in other shit too...
St. Lucie County Sheriff Mascara announces arrest of two in Port St. Lucie for drug dealing and torturing dogs to train them for fighting.
St. Lucie County Sheriff's drug investigators making a drug arrest at a home in Port St. Lucie also found six pit bull terrier dogs that had been used for dog fighting, said Sheriff Ken J. Mascara.
One of the dogs had been used for "dog baiting" and mauled by other dogs, the Sheriff said. "The most seriously injured dog had most of its face chewed off," the Sheriff said. "This was a sickening display of animal cruelty at its most sadistic and inhuman." The other five dogs were emaciated and had wounds from dog fighting.
Deputies placed all six dogs in the care of the Humane Society of Fort Pierce where veterinary specialists are treating them, the Sheriff said. Humane Society officials said the most seriously injured dog was not in pain from the facial injuries, but that the severity of the injuries would require euthanization of the animal. "We have had a continuing investigation under way into organized dog-fighting rings operated by drug dealers traveling all over the state," the Sheriff said. "We will continue this investigation in hopes of finding those responsible for these reprehensible and disgusting acts of cruelty."
Arrested on charges of marijuana possession with intent to sell, animal cruelty and animal fighting or baiting were: Margaret C. Hester, 45, and Robert James Hester, 43, both of 2262 S.E. Shipping Road, Port St. Lucie. Both also were arrested on drug charges.
Margaret Hester was at the home when detectives served a search warrant. Robert Hester drove up to the home after investigators had arrived. He had several grams of cocaine in his pocket worth an estimated $500. Deputies arrested him on additional charges of possession of cocaine and drug paraphernalia. Marijuana found at the home is worth an estimated $1,500. Attached are booking photos of the two defendants and photos of the animal cruelty.
Margaret Hester posted $23,000 bond this morning and was released from the St. Lucie County jail pending future court proceedings. As of late Friday morning, Robert Hester remained confined at the St. Lucie County jail under $28,500 bond.
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i would love to track this mother fucker down, torture him and watch him die a slow painful death.
On August 21, 2002, 17-year old Russell Watson, brutally beat a 1-year old pitbull, Rahkim, with a baseball bat. The beating was recorded by a security camera in a Laundromat in which the puppy went into seeking refuge from Watson. The video shows the pup entering the site limping and bloodied from Watson attacking him and hiding behind a row of washing machines. Watson can then be seen walking in dangling a baseball bat. The next thing the tape shows is sickening. Watson finds the pup, lines up the bat, and delivers several crushing blows to Rahkims head and rendering him unconscious. Watson then drags Rahkim out of the Laundromat by his legs and abandons him a block away, leaving Rahkim to die.
Rahkim sustained severe injuries and on August 22, 2002, Rahkims owners/family had him euthanized. The puppy belonged to 10-year old Alexis Broadway who lives only a few blocks of the laundry at 36th and Spring Garden Streets from where the attack took place.
This is around where Russell Watson lives at: 36th And Spring Garden Streets, Philadelphia, PA 19149
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Stoppa arent you from PA? Please go fuck this guy up.
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THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.
And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation really goes after them.
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i cant even watch certain parts...these people are fuckin sick.
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also northern ireland is only country in uk which u can legally own a wolf. huskies are poppoing up 2. saw a wolf oyther day in town. was huge. paw was the size of a dinner plate. back was o thick and muscly. it was also aboyut 3.5 foot high people just stopped and stared in amazement. maybe was a wolf or huskie bread with summat else. was so huge and thick. dirty brown hair. the biggest and thickest looking dog i ever seen. an old irish wolfhound i had was taller tho not as big. this thing was scary lol tho just sat in street whilst owner just ran into shop. very cool
my state allows people to own wolf hybrids. can't have a purebred wolf, but you can have an animal that is about 90-95% wolf. the things are fucking monstrously huge. the ones i've met are friendly enough, but you can tell they're not dogs. when you pat them, they just stand there with a distant look in their eyes. no tail-wagging, man's-best-friend shit.
if one of those things decided to fuck someone up . . . the shit would really hit the fan.
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Stoppa arent you from PA? Please go f**k this guy up.
Nah, I'm from NC. If I was in Philly, it would be damn tempting to show up at that piece of shit's house and drag him outside. Cruelty to animals sends me over the edge in about .1 seconds.
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my state allows people to own wolf hybrids. can't have a purebred wolf, but you can have an animal that is about 90-95% wolf. the things are fucking monstrously huge. the ones i've met are friendly enough, but you can tell they're not dogs. when you pat them, they just stand there with a distant look in their eyes. no tail-wagging, man's-best-friend shit.
if one of those things decided to f**k someone up . . . the shit would really hit the fan.
I have done some reading on those. They are supposed to be the most unstable of the bunch. I mean can you blame the things when they have attacked little kids and such? They are basically all wolf.Instincts tell them to hunt prey. Not ment to be pets. The damage those things do goes beyond harm it could cause to a human. Theygive the entire wolf looking dog population a bad name. Actually I should say the people who breed these things. A wolf is NOT a pet. That is a wild animal. People are so stupid.
All those hybrids get is a death sentance, No pack will accept them and no human can safley own them. Unless they cage them up all the time.
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what you will not hear about in the media are the stories of what a great dog the apbt really is. one of the things they have excelled at is being used as Animal-Assisted-Therapy dogs. they work with the elderly, deeply troubled or abused children, physically traumatized hospital patients, and even those who are terminally ill. the pits outstanding temperment and the overwhelming love and affection they have for people make them the ideal dog for this type of work.
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more...
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I was going to get a minature bull terrier for my American Bulldog to have as a buddy. But I think I will get a pit again. Female of course 8) My AB is pure bred and cost me some serious coin. I think I shall adopt a female pit. SPCA here I come.
News is supposed to be fair and balanced. You never see them show the other (true) side of the APBT. The pictures you have posted are what 99 percent of PB's act like day to day. If they are not used to fight or taught to be weapons the are the sweetest dogs on the planet.
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88, what state are u from? i have a bunch of links for pit resccues...i can look through them to see if there is any in your area.
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jmt1, those pits are clearly attacking those children..... ;)
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88, what state are u from? i have a bunch of links for pit resccues...i can look through them to see if there is any in your area.
Massachusetts. I was looking for a female. Thanks man!
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He was kept in a kennel and would only be friendly with the female dogs.
hahaha, what a cool life.
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Massachusetts. I was looking for a female. Thanks man!
no problem...heres a few links for you to check out.
post some pics if you get one...good luck
http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/cgi-bin/public/petsearch.cgi/search_pets_display?species_name=dog&country_code=US&breed_name=Pit%20Bull%20Terrier&lon_lat=%2871.0641%2C42.3579%29&postal_code=02108&tmpl=search_dogs_1021&has_searched=0&is_breed_specific=1021&geo_range=50&email_exists=0&breed_id=801&geo_range_km=80"e_filename=%2Fhome%2Fsap%2Fexternals%2Fproduction%2Fwaiting_page_quotes%2Fbreed_specific_dog_quotes%2F%2F2.html&is_cat=0&species_id=1&state_code=MA&search_id=90695509&saver_checkbox=0
http://www.pittieloverescue.com/AdoptableDogs/rescuedogs2.htm
http://search.petfinder.com/shelterSearch/shelterSearch.cgi?animal=&breed=&age=&size=&specialNeeds=&declawedPets=&children=&status=&id=&internal=&contact=&name=&shelterid=MA298&sort=&preview=1
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heres a few other i just saw...not sure if they are on those links or not.
At 5 months old, Jewels has had a tough puppy hood. But even with that, she maintains a happy -go-lucky attitude. She is being fostered with a young male pit bull and they play great together. As recommended with pit bulls, she would do best as an only pet or with a compatible male dog. Jewels loves going on car-rides and getting a burger at the local drive-thru. She also loves all the attention she gets when she visits the pet stores since she is so pretty and friendly. On her last visit she had a young girl come and help pick out a new toy for her. Jewels is crate-trained, housebroken and is learning basic obedience. Jewels is a diamond in the rough.
Adoption Restrictions: New England Area Only
Adoption Fee: $200 to cover spay/neuter and up to date medical
Website: Click Here
Merry: braveheartrescue@comcast.net
Phone: 508-946-0939
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Meet Scarlett! Her foster parents call her "Cinammon Red Hot". This little bundle of joy is small at only 37 lbs. Her foster mom adores her. She wants to please her human soooooooo much. She would love an active home who will take her hiking and play tug of war with her. She is good with cats after a slow and careful introduction and careful monitoring. The Siamese in the picture is her best friend now as you can tell from the picture.
Scarlett has been introduced to agility equipment and seems to have quite a talent for it. She is also a great snuggler. Because of her youthful exuberance, she would probably do better in a home with children older than 10ish.
Adoption Restrictions: Home visit and reference checks required. Will place as an only dog or with a compatible dog of the opposite sex. Must be a home owner and not live in the City of Boston or any city where pit bulls are discriminated against, based only on their breed.
Adoption Fee: $200.00
Website: Click Here
Noreen Ford: pittielove@comcast.net
Phone: 508-877-9181
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Thanks man.
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y not because its in their nature....so it has nothing to do with being a pit...a yellow lab could have just as easily mauled a child...
I was attacked by a Chocolate lab in elementary school. It locked on my arm and shook it, it didn't bite down hard, but was firm, like it "could" have been playing. It was roaming the school yard. Since then I have been wary of dogs. Been around pits and never been bothered. But you alway here that labs are so kind, especially here in Annapolis (Cheasapeake Bay Retriever is the state dog), where almost everybody has a Lab (the lad was my school mascot ::), including my parents at one time.
Its a shame that certain dogs get a stigma attached to it, but other dogs that can and will bite humans don't get the same stigma.
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My mother has two Lahsa Apso. One male and one female.I bought the male for her in 1992.He has never been mistreated at all, but let me tell you that little peckerhead will bite your face off if you get down in his face.( women are horrible about this...they always want to try and kiss him on the nose because he is cute...).He only weighs 18 lbs,but he thinks he is the "big tough dog" He isn't mean but he just doesn't like to be messed with.and NEVER wants to be picked up.He is also very protective of my mom. When I go to visit,he will not allow me(or anyone else) to touch or kiss my mom.One time she was sick and was lying on her couch and I went to kiss her bye and he came after me.The female ,however,will jump up on a complete strangers lap and lick their face and just love them to death...same breed,just different personalities.I think dogs are like people..some are friendly and nice and others are ass holes.I don't think it matters much what kind of dog it is ,they will all have their own personality.
As a kid we also had a Lasha that would tear you to shreads. They are very aloof and weary of strangers. When we had guests she had to go into the basement funny part was her name was Prune ;D. Nasty little cuss!
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Glad you asked. I had owned a pitbull (Damien) a few years ago before he passed away. I now own an American bulldog whom is a bully type dog like a pitbull.
These bans and laws are ridiculous. I had a woman scared to pet my 5 month old puppy for fear he would attack her. I told the woman three times it was not a pitbull and even if it was there is no reason he would just attack her. I asked her where she got the idea pitbulls where vicious people attacking monsters and she explained to me she had red it in the "paper".
This is the problem. The news only reports of stories of dog attacks and alot of the time the stories do not even involve dogs like pitbulls.Also alot of the times the news does not include all the facts. Here is an example. I watchjed a news story a story a few years back of a akita severly mauling a small girl. When I read the full story in the paper the girl has been left alone with the animal and poked it in the face.Now the situation is terrible and I wish it could have never happened but the facts are the negligence of the parents led to there little girl being mauled. Dogs cannot tell you they are annoyed. Dogs cannot tell you to stop poking. There hands are there mouth.It does not make the situation any better but it shows that if you would like to own something capable of hurting people (genreally older folks or kids) you must be held accountable and responsible. The news loves a bad guy and sadly this horrible reputation is cast on the dogs. You want to pass laws against pits and other breeds. Make the owners criminally accountable. Banning will not solve a thing. Then all the idiots will move on to another breed. What are you going to ban every breed in the world? Cock spaniels have more recorded bites than pitbulls. Should we ban that breed two?
The OWNERS are responsible for hoe there dog acts. Ghetto ass little crack dealing scumbags have latched on to the idea that a pitbull can protect them or make them tough. fact is pitbulls are NOT people aggressive. They can be if tempted or trained but don't you think k9's would be pits if they where such people haters? Pitbulls love to please there master. They do have fighting lineage and sometimes by nature will be animal aggressive. Most all dominant breeds cannot have two sexually mature males in one place. American bulldogs, Pitbulls,Presa Canarios, Dogos etc. Pitbulls can be very animal aggressive but they are NOT aggressive to humans by nature.
Anytime you see this crap one the news it is usually the inner city. Some stupid owner who has no idea how to take care of a dominant breed of dog. There are differences in how you treat and raise dogs like this. Things you need to be educated about. You see these idiots covering the dogs as monsters with no regard for human life. It is such bullshit!
There will always be freak accidents with dogs. You should never leave as child alone with large dogs. That goes for ANY breed not just pitbulls. Children bite, pull, poke and hurt. If you go back and look at most of the attacks on kids I bet 80 percent of them could have been prevented or outright stopped before they got serious. it is always the dogs fault.
The facts are pitbulls are the new tough guys dog. it was Rottys before now it is pits. The WRONG type of people own the pits you see attacking people. Uneducated insecure tough guys who exploit the breed and give it the horrible name you see. Loser dog fighters and alot of genrally mean people who make them mean. They are very strong and will never give up. This is the recipe for disaster. it is a damn shame as my pit was the best dog in the world. You hardlt ever see people who know how to train and socilize a pit having trouble with the breed. They are actually great with kids and very loyal companions.
Here is a shot of my KILLER ::) ::) ::) bully breed puppy. He is an American bulldog and often mistaken for a large pitbull. he is so sweet and would not hurt a fly. I have taken him to puppy training as well as trained him for countless hours myself. he is socialized and sweet. My neighbor has a beagle named chippy. he weighs 14 lbs. he has bitten 4 people and is mean as hell. It is NOTY the breed it is the owner and lack of education on how to train your animal. Yes some dogs can be very mean by nature. But that is a mental issue and a responsible owner would humanly uthinize a mentally unstable dog. My neighbor is an idiot and it reflects with his animals.
My pup is a lover not a fighter!
he's beautiful 88,I had a female with same colorings,neighbor kids would climb my back fence to play football with her,never had a problem.
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Thanks. Have you always owned American bulldogs?
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Overland Park bans pit bulls from city
By BRAD COOPER and BRIAN BURNES
The Kansas City Star
The Overland Park City Council voted Monday to ban pit bulls despite pleas from animal welfare advocates who said the animals should not be singled out from other dogs.
After more than 2 1/2 hours of debate and public testimony, the council voted 8-4 in favor of the ban. It does not affect pit bulls now registered in the city. The law takes effect July 27.
We know these dogs are vicious. We know their bites are brutal, said Councilman Dan Stock. I dont think they have any place in our community.
Pits bulls were an equally hot topic Monday night in Independence, where the City Council - in the wake of serious attacks in recent weeks - toughened its dangerous-dog ordinance and debated a measure to ban pit bulls.
The Independence council unanimously approved toughening the current law, including language to regulate the confinement and restraint of dangerous dogs. A ban on pit bulls was put off for further study.
In Overland Park, the proposal to ban new pit bulls appeared to be headed for defeat when some council members who had previously supported the measure changed their minds at the last minute.
Councilwoman Terry Happer Scheier led the committee that unanimously supported the ban. She voted for the ban twice. But Monday night, she changed her mind in favor of a moratorium on new pit bulls while other measues, such as increased fines, were studied.
I kind of think what we have in place right now has been working, she said before introducing her moratorium idea.
Other council members, such as Terry Goodman, said they did not see an overwhelming problem that warranted a Draconian measure.
I dont see that theres any compelling reason to depart from the citys ordinance that has served us so well for 20 years, Goodman said.
The measure approved Monday updates a law on dangerous animals that Overland Park passed in 1987. Among other things, it required pit bulls be registered.
When outside a pen, the dogs were required to be muzzled and on a leash no longer than 4 feet. Owners also were required to post warning signs.
Under the old law, owners of pit bulls were required to have $50,000 in liability insurance. The measure approved Monday raises the required coverage to $300,000 for pit pulls remaining in the city.
There are about 20 pit pulls now registered in Overland Park. Under the new ordinance, if one of the dogs gives birth, her puppies will have to be removed from the city in six weeks.
In Independence, the ordinance approved Monday tightens restrictions on dangerous dogs. For instance, it outlaws transporting a dangerous dog in the open bed of a truck.
A first offense could bring a fine of at least $350 and up to 90 days and jail. A second could mean a $500 fine and up to 180 days in jail.
Spectators filled the Independence council chambers for the meeting. Eight people spoke, most of them addressing a possible pit bull ban.
A proposal to ban pit bulls was read for the first time, but no action was taken.
After acrimonious debate, the council voted 5-1 to study the matter further and consider a pit bull ordinance in late August.
The most recent pit bull attack in Independence was Saturday, when a 7-year-old girl suffered injuries to her face and chest. She was treated at a hospital and released.
Independence animal control officers took two pit bulls into custody after the attack.
In May, three pit bulls attacked three men, one of whom remains in a hospital.
To reach Brad Cooper, call (816) 234-7724 or send e-mail to bcooper@kcstar.com. To reach Brian Burnes, call (816) 234-7804 or send e-mail to bburnes@kcstar.com.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/politics/15061212.htm
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take a look at this website >:(
this is some of the ignorant stupidity that pit bulls and their owners have to endure.
http://www.stoppitbullattacks.com/
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i would like to smack each and everyone of these idiots >:(
Independence Citizen's Speak Out In Support Of Our Cause
I support this petition because would you put a live bomb in your house and hope that nobody is in the room when it decides to explode... So why own pit bull ???
I support this petition because I support this petition. My brother was attacked by a Rottweiler and seriously injured. People need to take responsibility for animals with propensity for aggressive behavior.
I support this petition because my daughter’s head start school was having their summer celebration on this same day outside! It’s located about 3 blocks from where the first attack occurred it could have been little kids
I support this petition because to all the pit bull owners who claim your dogs are “charming and affectionate"... most of the women who met Ted Bundy initially thought he was too- but look how that turned out. I wouldn’t invite him over for dinner and let him sleep on MY couch... would you? Pit bulls have the same potential for erratic behavior. They can turn on you without provocation, whether they were raised to be aggressive or not- it HAS happened. And to think some people have these unpredictable animals living in the same house with children... it blows my mind. Ban the breed! You have my full support.
I support this petition because I support this petition because of how many pits live in my neighborhood and to see the attitude of those who own these dogs and walk down my street w/ 6 kids, Its NOT cool, Its NOT safe and my children should NOT be at risk for any “pet"! You have a voice, use it for a good cause.
I support this petition because I have two small children that can’t even play in their own yard due to the fact we have 4 pit bulls two houses down from use and they always get lose and run to my yard they have bit one adult already in our area.
I support this petition because these are very dangerous dogs not pets I have a 11 month old and I see these dogs walking down the street with there owners and I think what if its us next time I live across the street where one attack happened I saw a man get very badly hurt by these devilish dogs I hope I never have to see or hear anything about that again!
I support this petition because I have 3 young boys and on our street we have an aggressive Pit Bull who recently cornered a grown man who had to call the police and who had brutally attacked and turned on other dogs in the neighborhood. I was happy to find out the pound had just today taken the dog, it made me sick to my stomach to think of what could have happened ...now my children can play outside.
I support this petition because I support this petition, it is the job of city council members to make and enforce laws to protect its citizens, here is your chance to make the laws that will save lives in the future, it’s a shame it takes Alan Hill’s accident before you might even open your eyes city government.
I support this petition because my neighbor has a pit bull that tries to jump the fence when I'm in the yard picking up branches and mowing the yard. The neighbor said the dog does not like their mower either and has tried to bite the tires. This is concerning after the mauling of the Independence man on a lawn mower.
I support this petition because though some pit bulls may be docile with their owners and families; there have been too many similar incidents of attacks nationwide that demonstrate that the breed apparently has a propensity for viciousness. They do not belong in a populated urban area due to the hazardousness, especially if they escape their owners’ property and roam uncontrolled.
I support this petition because our rights to walk outside without
being attacked are more important than the right of a dog owner to own vicious dogs!
I support this petition because Note to the City Council. For once do something that shows a little courage. For Pit bull lovers: take your animals and move elsewhere.
I support this petition because Pit bulls are killing machines. There is no defense against an attacking pit bull. People who own pit bulls are making a statement about their attitude toward their neighbors and their community. This attitude is not welcome in our neighborhood. Don't penalize innocent dogs (and cats!) with proposed health department regulations. The solution is obvious....ban pit bulls!
I support this petition because I agree 100% with this petition. You never hear killer Labrador, shepherd, and poodle attacks child. Its not the dogs fault they are so inbred but I don't want them running the street any more than a tiger or bear or wolf who would also maim and maul, because IT IS THEIR NATURE.
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i would like to smack each and everyone of these idiots >:(
Independence Citizen's Speak Out In Support Of Our Cause
I support this petition because would you put a live bomb in your house and hope that nobody is in the room when it decides to explode... So why own pit bull ???
I support this petition because I support this petition. My brother was attacked by a Rottweiler and seriously injured. People need to take responsibility for animals with propensity for aggressive behavior.
I support this petition because my daughter’s head start school was having their summer celebration on this same day outside! It’s located about 3 blocks from where the first attack occurred it could have been little kids
I support this petition because to all the pit bull owners who claim your dogs are “charming and affectionate"... most of the women who met Ted Bundy initially thought he was too- but look how that turned out. I wouldn’t invite him over for dinner and let him sleep on MY couch... would you? Pit bulls have the same potential for erratic behavior. They can turn on you without provocation, whether they were raised to be aggressive or not- it HAS happened. And to think some people have these unpredictable animals living in the same house with children... it blows my mind. Ban the breed! You have my full support.
I support this petition because I support this petition because of how many pits live in my neighborhood and to see the attitude of those who own these dogs and walk down my street w/ 6 kids, Its NOT cool, Its NOT safe and my children should NOT be at risk for any “pet"! You have a voice, use it for a good cause.
I support this petition because I have two small children that can’t even play in their own yard due to the fact we have 4 pit bulls two houses down from use and they always get lose and run to my yard they have bit one adult already in our area.
I support this petition because these are very dangerous dogs not pets I have a 11 month old and I see these dogs walking down the street with there owners and I think what if its us next time I live across the street where one attack happened I saw a man get very badly hurt by these devilish dogs I hope I never have to see or hear anything about that again!
I support this petition because I have 3 young boys and on our street we have an aggressive Pit Bull who recently cornered a grown man who had to call the police and who had brutally attacked and turned on other dogs in the neighborhood. I was happy to find out the pound had just today taken the dog, it made me sick to my stomach to think of what could have happened ...now my children can play outside.
I support this petition because I support this petition, it is the job of city council members to make and enforce laws to protect its citizens, here is your chance to make the laws that will save lives in the future, it’s a shame it takes Alan Hill’s accident before you might even open your eyes city government.
I support this petition because my neighbor has a pit bull that tries to jump the fence when I'm in the yard picking up branches and mowing the yard. The neighbor said the dog does not like their mower either and has tried to bite the tires. This is concerning after the mauling of the Independence man on a lawn mower.
I support this petition because though some pit bulls may be docile with their owners and families; there have been too many similar incidents of attacks nationwide that demonstrate that the breed apparently has a propensity for viciousness. They do not belong in a populated urban area due to the hazardousness, especially if they escape their owners’ property and roam uncontrolled.
I support this petition because our rights to walk outside without
being attacked are more important than the right of a dog owner to own vicious dogs!
I support this petition because Note to the City Council. For once do something that shows a little courage. For Pit bull lovers: take your animals and move elsewhere.
I support this petition because Pit bulls are killing machines. There is no defense against an attacking pit bull. People who own pit bulls are making a statement about their attitude toward their neighbors and their community. This attitude is not welcome in our neighborhood. Don't penalize innocent dogs (and cats!) with proposed health department regulations. The solution is obvious....ban pit bulls!
I support this petition because I agree 100% with this petition. You never hear killer Labrador, shepherd, and poodle attacks child. Its not the dogs fault they are so inbred but I don't want them running the street any more than a tiger or bear or wolf who would also maim and maul, because IT IS THEIR NATURE.
I bet your the same kind of fool thats pro gun control too huh? I was bit by a fox terrier as a kid, but I dont think they are all vicious and dangerious to man. Your last paragraph is best- "You never hear killer Labrador, shepherd, and poodle attacks child". I guarantee that Labs, shepherds and Poodles bite far more people than Pits, Rotts, or Mastiffs. Wow I can see the head lines now " 7 year old boy mauled by a standard poodle!" Everyone knows the media is just desperate to get a great story, and Pitbull attacks make great ones. The fact of the matter is Pits are no more aggressive by nature than any other breed, but they are capable of a lot more damage when they attack someone and thats why they make headlines when someone gets bit.
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"pibulls are killing machines"
I would love to meet the asshole who wrote that one. First of all a true bred full grown pit is supposed to be from 30 to 60 lbs. There are dogs that are FAR larger than that. Yes, a pitbull is capable of massive damage. But the FACTS are that pits are NOT aggressive to humans by nature. There are numerous studys on this. Just like there are numerous studys on there better temperament than most ALL dogs. My point is the idiots who make claims are doing just that. While you have people like myself jmt and all the other smart educated people who chimed in with this thread. Even guys like diesel, who is not fan of pits made good points and did not just hurl false things around like these bozos. There is not a "pitbull" problem. I live in a major city. I have friends in places that would be considered "ghetto". There is no pitbull problem there. This is so over blown. Are pitbulls the new "tough guy" breed? Yes. Do attacks happen? Of course. But the general population is not in any "danger". News outlets make me laugh. When there is nothing going on they need something to sensationalize.
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I bet your the same kind of fool thats pro gun control too huh? I was bit by a fox terrier as a kid, but I dont think they are all vicious and dangerious to man. Your last paragraph is best- "You never hear killer Labrador, shepherd, and poodle attacks child". I guarantee that Labs, shepherds and Poodles bite far more people than Pits, Rotts, or Mastiffs. Wow I can see the head lines now " 7 year old boy mauled by a standard poodle!" Everyone knows the media is just desperate to get a great story, and Pitbull attacks make great ones. The fact of the matter is Pits are no more aggressive by nature than any other breed, but they are capable of a lot more damage when they attack someone and thats why they make headlines when someone gets bit.
Thats how people like this solve problems. The quick fix. Just ban it! Wont work. The problem owners will just get a new breed. There are many to choose from. These fools cannot see the problem is not in the dogs. It is in the society they are living in. It is in the people who own the animals. Pitbulls are not born thinkin, " oh boy in a few months I can maul humans". Pitbulls have a better tempermant score than 99 percent of the breeds out there. This is fact.
Like I said a few pages back. If you have a clogged atery the fix is have a bypass and get it cleaned out. But until you change the way you live your lifestyle, the things you eat and the way you take care of yourself that bad boy is going to continue to clog.
The point to that analogy is the true problem lies in the source not the action caused by it.
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most vicious pitbulls have been raised as fighting dogs by inner city drug dealers and pimps,any dog raised that way would be vicious.
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My opinion is there's a lot of uneducated people out there.
I've read most of this thread & this point has been brought up. Besides having shitty owners of a dog....I think people being uneducated is another big issue.
Case in point (this might make you guys laugh a little).....
Was walking my puppy Diego which is now a 17 week old Rottie & weighs 60 lbs.
Diego is a puppy but for the most part is extremely calm & walks on a leash like he's been through hours of obedience.
This girl (probably around 20-23 years old) was walking in the same direction but did not want to pass us because Diego stopped & was taking a shit on the grass & was about 4-5 feet away from the side walk.
When I realized she was standing there I looked at her...& she said "I'm afraid of dogs!".....I said...."uh....don't worry....he's just a puppy....besides....he's a little busy right now".
She continued to walk by but had to cover the side of her face with her hand because she couldn't stand to look at him because she was terrified. Poor dog was just trying to take a shit - lol.
Anyways....some people are just idiots.
here's Diego with a couple of his brother & sisters on a playdate about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks ago.
Diego is the big pup that looks like goof trying to get out of the pool.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/new187/pool.gif)
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My opinion is there's a lot of uneducated people out there.
I've read most of this thread & this point has been brought up. Besides having shitty owners of a dog....I think people being uneducated is another big issue.
Case in point (this might make you guys laugh a little).....
Was walking my puppy Diego which is now a 17 week old Rottie & weighs 60 lbs.
Diego is a puppy but for the most part is extremely calm & walks on a leash like he's been through hours of obedience.
This girl (probably around 20-23 years old) was walking in the same direction but did not want to pass us because Diego stopped & was taking a shit on the grass & was about 4-5 feet away from the side walk.
When I realized she was standing there I looked at her...& she said "I'm afraid of dogs!".....I said...."uh....don't worry....he's just a puppy....besides....he's a little busy right now".
She continued to walk by but had to cover the side of her face with her hand because she couldn't stand to look at him because she was terrified. Poor dog was just trying to take a shit - lol.
Anyways....some people are just idiots.
here's Diego with a couple of his brother & sisters on a playdate about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks ago.
Diego is the big pup that looks like goof trying to get out of the pool.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/new187/pool.gif)
Or she was infact afraid of dogs!
Anyway, bring your dog to my town, it's full of pakis and most of 'em are shit scared of dogs. Just walk past any group of pakis with your dog and watch them scatter like roaches lol
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Or she was infact afraid of dogs!
Anyway, bring your dog to my town, it's full of pakis and most of 'em are shit scared of dogs. Just walk past any group of pakis with your dog and watch them scatter like roaches lol
it's pretty funny to see someone terrified of a puppy.....especially when he has no clue what the hell is going on.
he just wants lick everything & too busy chasing bugs on the ground - lol
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this whole thing is stupid, more people die from falling cocunuts every yea than pitbull and shark attacks and alligator attacks combined. so i say ban cocunut trees
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1.) Since 1998, the breed most involved in fatal attacks has been the
Rottweiler, not the pit bull.
2.) Although there are no accurate or even near accurate census records
for dogs in the U.S., in some populations pit bulls are estimated to
comprise some 30-40% of the dog population, making it by FAR the most
popular breed. Considering that there are an estimated 53,000,000 dogs
in the U.S., and assuming that pit bulls make up 20% of that population,
there would be approximately 10,600,000 pit bulls in our society. In
1998, five pit bulls were involved in 2 fatal attacks. That is roughly
ONE dog out of 2,120,000 - or .00004716 percent of the pit bull
population.
3.) Over the 32-year period from 1965-2001, pit bulls have been blamed
for an average of 2.48 human fatalities per year.
4.) About 40 people (children) per year die by drowning in 5-gallon
water pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to
drown in a 5-gallon water pail than to be killed by a pit bull.
5.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their
cribs - 25 times the number of children and adults killed by pit bulls.
6.) Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts.
Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a PALM
TREE than a pit bull.
7.) Each year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times
more likely to be killed by your bathtub than you are by a pit bull.
8.) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their
parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more
than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a pit
bull.
9.) It is estimated that 5,000,000 dogs per year are killed in shelters.
Since in many places pit bulls make up 30-50% of the shelter population,
and are less likely to be considered for placement than any other breed,
guessing that 25% of those dogs killed are pit bulls is a very
conservative estimate. Therefore, it can be assumed that roughly
1,250,000 pit bulls are killed per year.
Therefore - it is at least a HALF MILLION TIMES MORE LIKELY that a pit
bull will be killed by a HUMAN than the other way around.
10.) It can be estimated that for every pit bull who kills, there are
10.5 MILLION that DON'T.
This country wants to ban/destroy 10.5 million innocent dogs for the actions of 0.94% of its category?
Does that seem fair to you?
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Woof..
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It is not the fault of the pitbull that they are strong and capable of severe damage.My parents dog is 18 lbs...he has a bad attitude,and the only reason HE doesn't maul people is because he is only 18 pounds...the aggresive nature is there...he is a grade A prick.Dogs are just like people...they come with many different personalities.
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Woof..
Cool looking Dog ARMZ.....looks alot like Diego's father
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That's Animal, on left side.. He's my pride and joy.. He's almost at 200 pounds now, the biggest of them all at the moment.. I've yet to find a dog of any breed with better temperament.
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That's Animal, on left side.. He's my pride and joy.. He's almost at 200 pounds now, the biggest of them all at the moment.. I've yet to find a dog of any breed with better temperament.
I have to agree. I have always been a little "Leary" about Rotties because when i was growing up, a friend had one that was a complete spaz. I knew the lines were close with that dog & felt that contributed to the doing being hyperactive.
I have raised alot of dogs (mostly labs) but I am extremely impressed on the temperament on this puppy. Extremely smart & even as a puppy, how fast he learns obedience. Since the first day I put a leash on him, he healed & had him sitting on command withing the first hour. The funny part was....it wasn't even my intensions. I just wanted to take him for a walk & within minutes realized he was wanting to do this after showing him once or twice.
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sad story......hopefully she finds a good home.
PitBull Drug by Car Still needs Foster/Adopter -Florida
Body: We are in a dire need of Foster/Adopter for her to
recover in...
Hello,
My name is Serenity and for a good reason!! I came to
the HAPBTR from a wonderful person who saw me sitting
in a shelter all alone in the back. They found me hit
and drug a long distance by a car, full of road rash,
and wounds so bad you could see my muscle.. They
brought me back and are dressing my wounds as much as
they could because they were not going to put me up
for adoption... They also found out that I am severly
heartworm positive. I'm under going heartworm
treatment now for the HAPBTR, but I don't have a calm
foster home to recover in!!! As a matter of fact, I
don't even have a sponser!!
I need somewhere I can
recover in peace, are you that place?
I am such an
awesome girl, I love dogs, of all shapes and
sizes.. I love people, oh do I love people. For
everything people have done to me, I still love people.
I am full of
love and life, and want to live out the rest of my
days in someones arms with another pup to play with...
Please let me stay free from harms way, I have come so
far... I don't want to stop now...
I'm recovering
pretty well, but you can still see my scarring and how
bad my open wounds still are.
We are in a dire need of Foster/Adopter for her to
recover in...
Donations are not dire, but always help!!
HAPBTR ATTN: Jennifer
P.O. Box 164
Mango Florida, 33550
Director Devilyn - 813-770-8170
Paypal: KissAPit@yahoo.com
Hospital she is attending :
All Creatures Animal Hospital
813-949-2706
105 Sunset Lane,
Lutz FL 33549
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very sad
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good article talking about why bsl is bs.....this is the kind of stuff that needs to be in the media more often.
Published: Thursday, July 20, 2006
"In this country, you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Unless you're a pit bull, which means you're guilty until proven innocent."
So says Simon Fraser University PhD candidate and pit bull owner Niki Huitson, whose master's thesis for the university's criminology department says breed-specific bylaws penalize dogs -- like pit bulls -- unfairly.
"They are not effective in reducing dog bites, which is supposed to be their goal," Huitson said.
Her research looked at the incidence of dog bites across Canada and the U.S., and found the only thing that worked was responsible dog ownership.
"By banning dogs, you're not reaching the owners, which are the problem," Huitson said.
In the Lower Mainland, Burnaby, Coquitlam, Delta, New Westminster and West Vancouver all have breed-specific bylaws, meaning pit bulls must be muzzled when in public and kept indoors or in prescribed outdoor enclosures.
Ontario has a similar province-wide bylaw, in addition to insisting that all pit bulls be neutered.
"Is that going to reduce dog bites in Ontario? No," says Huitson.
"Because there are statistics from England that say when they introduced a similar breed ban there, it didn't reduce dog bites at all."
As an example of a jurisdiction that works, she cites Calgary, which considers a dog dangerous only when it has attacked a person or another dog without provocation.
"In Calgary, 92 per cent of dog owners register their dogs. "And they have the least restrictive dog laws there are. They have the most off-leash parks and the most areas where dogs can be free. And yet they have the lowest number of dog bites."
She attributes that to a system of stiff fines that penalize the owner, not the dog.
Vancouver came to the same conclusion last November when it did away with its breed-specific bylaw in favour of one similar to Calgary's.
"We recognized it's not just pit bulls; any dog can be a vicious dog," said Bob Cristofoli, supervisor of field operations for Vancouver Animal Control.
"They all have 42 teeth, and they all have the capability of biting."
nread@png.canwest.com
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PETCO trainer kills dog.
unbelievable...and how stupid can the owners be to stand by and let someone do this to their dog ???
http://www.wptv.com/News/072006_PreliminaryNecropsyReport.cfm
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PETCO trainer kills dog.
unbelievable...and how stupid can the owners be to stand by and let someone do this to their dog ???
http://www.wptv.com/News/072006_PreliminaryNecropsyReport.cfm
I never in my life heard of something bizarre like this.
The woman must of been into voodoo or some shit
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I never in my life heard of something bizarre like this.
The woman must of been into voodoo or some shit
i have never either...but according to this trainer she has done this with many dogs and will continue to work with dogs...PETCOs response was that they are not responsible for what their employees do on their off time.
the necropsy report this evening said the dog went blind from heat stroke, and had internal bleeding from the trainer sitting on the dog for an hour. The report said the State Attorney's office will DECIDE whether to prosecute the trainer.
that is also crazy...there should be no deciding...this nut case needs stopped from ever working with dogs again.
take a second to email the DA and help him "decide" what to do in this case....here is his info.
Barry Krischer, State Attorney
401 N Dixie Hwy,
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
Phone; 561-335-7100
FAX 561-366-1800
email: Stateattorney@sa15.state.fl.us
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I was in Petco today with my American Bulldog. Most of you guys have seen pics of him. He is 7 months old and the sweetest dog. he has been through 25 hours of training along with daily practice with me. Socialized since he was young with both children and other animals. I was sitting with him in line and alot of people where petting him and also just asking what his name was etc. He noticed a small terrier ( yorkie?) in the line next to us. He strained against his leash to go say hello and the old bag of an owner yelped that he was attacking! My dog is 7 months old. He is the sweetest dog ever. After she put on a big show she realized most people where looking at her like she was an idiot. She then said to herself "thought he was attacking". ::) Guess she missed the 4 year old girl hugging and kissing my dog 30 sec before he "attacked". The dog was literally trying to say hello to her dog.
Ignorant idiots.
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Not to say she didn't overreact, but you never know how dog friendly another dog is. She could of just asked you to please restrain your dog. Now the pitbull that was out unattended when I was walking my male dane and followed us across the street could of been the friendliest dog in the world, but I was pissed off and scared to be put in that situation. I have had other unleashed dogs come up to me when walking my other dogs. Not fun and they were not pitbulls. It put me in a bad spot and also my dog who had to tolerate being sniffed by a dog that was unleashed and had the upper hand because she was obeying me when I told her to be a good girl. She looked at me and restrained herself. Finally a kid came over and got the dog. Now my dog could of gotten fed up and growled at this dog and who knows what would of happened. That woman's dog might have not been really dog friendly and snapped at your dog and ya never know.
When I walk my dogs I cross the street or move over on the grass when someone else is approaching. I will put myself on the side closest to the person and make them sit if we need to wait for them to go by. Now here is a case of someone really overreacting:
I had my 1/2 dane out for a walk and I notice about a block and a half away a guy coming towards us on a bicycle. I take my dog up a hill onto the grass as soon as I see this. As the guy rides by I notice he has his hand up in the air with a butterfly knife opened!! He was ready to stab my dog! We were up on a hill minimally 15 feet away from the sidewalk and had moved up there way before he was even close to us. If that was not showing someone that you have respect for that person I don't know what else I could of done. Still pisses me off. >:(
Yeah I would agree. The only thing was we where in petco, in line with both our dogs leashed. She was about 5 feet to the right off me. My dog was straining against the leash smiling trying to meet her dog who was straining against her leash trying to meet him. She then proclaimed my dog was attacking very loudly. Everyone just sort of looked at her like " what a drama queen". She then felt stupid and muttered " I thought he was attacking". Shre knew full well my dog wasent attacking. he was meeting all the other dogs in line just fine before he went to meet her pup. She was just trying to be dramatic. She was a c*nt : )
As for the pit roaming free. That is a bad idea. Same for any dog really. You had every right to be angry. When a person lets thier dog roam free they are putting people in danger. That is a huge reason these animals get a bad rap. Owner negligence.
How are things?
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Denver kills 36 pit bulls
By Sarah Langbein, Rocky Mountain News
July 21, 2006
Tami Bishop lost her fight to keep three-dozen pit bulls alive when the owner of the dogs gave them up to avoid jail.
The dogs were euthanized Thursday night after Denver Animal Control received a court order to put the dogs down, the shelters executive director, Doug Kelley, said Friday.
The dogs owner, Michael Padilla, entered into a plea agreement that would keep him out of jail. He also signed over ownership of the pooches to the city.
"Id end up going to jail and still not getting the dogs back," Padilla said Friday. "I didnt have no choice. I got a family to feed and bills to pay. They steam-rolled me."
Kelley said the dogs had to be euthanized because it was Padillas second pit bull offense in Denver where the breed is banned.
But Bishop argued the city misinterpreted its dog ordinance and had other choices, including her offer to transport the pit bulls out of state with her own money.
She was on a plane Friday afternoon and unaware that the dogs, including 13 puppies, had been killed. She only knew that the pit bulls were no longer at the shelter, she said in a voicemail message.
On May 29, 38 pit bulls owned by Padilla were seized from a home in Denver. Padilla said he was moving from Texas to a new home in Adams County but stopped in Denver to pick up and move his ill mother.
Neighbors complained the dogs were barking and crammed into cages on the property.
Padilla was cited for cruelty to animals, animal neglect and violating Denvers pit bull ban. The dogs were removed from his care, and two were put down because of illness.
Padilla was also convicted in 2002 for having a pit bull in Denver. At that time, Padilla signed an affidavit promising not to bring pit bulls back into the city. If he did, the dogs may be euthanized, according to the document.
And thats what happened Thursday, when they were given a fatal dose of sodium barbitol, which costs the city between $30 and $45 a bottle.
"I feel like I let the dogs down," Padilla said. "I feel really guilty. My whole family is sick over it.
"The law needs to be changed. This is ridiculous."
Padilla was given a 90-day suspended jail sentence and a fine of $500, which was also suspended. Hell be on probation for one year. If he receives anything other than a traffic violation, hell be sent to jail, according to the terms of the plea agreement.
Kelley said his employees are shaken up by the loss of the dogs. But he also said that its a relief because the dogs were there "way too long."
"This is a really difficult thing for the staff," he said. "It tugs at your emotions. Its a tough day for everybody."
Padilla disagrees, saying that he believes the city was set on killing his dogs, which were said to have a sweet disposition.
"Thats how sick these people are," he said of the city and its pit bull ordinance. "They were happy to kill my dogs."
Padilla said hes looking into suing the city.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4861985,00.html
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She definately overreacted. I was just as ticked off at the mixed breed dog that came up to us as I was at the pitpull. Though I was more afraid of the pitbull just because I would not want to have had to stop a fight with that dog. And noone ever came out to get the pitbull. That was unbelievable. At least with the other dog the kid was down the street. Gives any dog a bad rap when people allow that to happen. And don't they care if the dog gets hit by a car, or runs away or even taken?!?
Things are good, thanks. Got a new pup myself, a chi. Yup, a viscious little ankle biter!! lol
Post some pics!
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My opinion is there's a lot of uneducated people out there.
here's Diego with a couple of his brother & sisters on a playdate about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks ago.
Diego is the big pup that looks like goof trying to get out of the pool.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/new187/pool.gif)
Inspired by knny187, I had to go buy a kiddie pool for my rotts.. Picture taken today of my only brave boy to jump right in.. Others took some pushing..
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look at what a mess italy is in with these dog bans....arent these bans supposed to stop vicious dog attacks???
Italy started off with a small list of dog either banned or heavily restricted. There are now 92 different breeds on that list. Here are a few notable breeds on that list:
Border Collie, Schipperke, Australian shepherd, Belgian shepherd, German Sheperd Dog, Catalan Sheepdog, Great Pyrenees, Bearded Collie, Rough Collie, Smooth Collie, Old English Sheepdog, Welsh Corgi, Dutch Sheperd Dog, Wolfhund, Portuguese Sheepdog, Australian Cattle Dog, Bouvier des Flandres ,Dobermann, Miniature Pinscher, Schnauzer, Argentinian Dogo, Brasileiro, Boxer, Rottweiler, Dogue Bordeaux, Bulldog, Bullmastiff, Mastiff, Neapolitan mastiff, Tosa, Anatolian Sheperd, Newfoundland, Pyrenees Mountain Dog, Bernese Mountain Dog, Saint Bernard Dog, Swiss Mountain Dog, Catalan Sheepdog, Shetland Sheepdog, Pumi, Shar-pei...
The countrys initial proposed breed ban never prevented dog attacks. Irresponsible dog owners just kept turning to other breeds! Interesting to note, the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and American Pit Bull Terrier are not amongst the list. Could it be that other countries have better news media coverage that report all actual attacks and not just the best headliners?? Full list on breeds banned or restricted in Italy can be viewed at the following: http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/Locations/Italy/Italy.htm
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if you care about pit bulls please take a min. to sign this petition.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/257409023
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well it seems to be that this thread has pretty much died out...might as well end things off with some pics.
THE KING OF ALL DOGS.
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PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION ABOVE.
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THE KING
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82950.0;attach=92476;image)
WTF? That's cruel as hell! That right there doesn't help the PB image!
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yes it is very cruel but that is also a part of the apbt history...they were bred for bull baiting...it doesnt change what a great dog they are.
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My neighbor has a 3 month old staffy rescue. She tried to get him into doggy day care. They have a no pitbull poilicy ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82950.0;attach=92476;image)
WTF? That's cruel as hell! That right there doesn't help the PB image!
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The bear would kick arse if it wasn't de-clawed or have a ring through it's nose.
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It's really too bad for responsible owners like yourself. What you should do is get a petition to put these street punks in jail for raising them to be violent.
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Pit Bulls Out of the Doghouse
A long-maligned breed is getting an image makeover. But skeptics say those fighting genes are hard to overcome.
The bar is crowded, but Karen Dawn doesn't hesitate to enter with her two dogs in tow. Paula sports a pink bandanna around her neck; Buster, a camouflage kerchief.
Oblivious to the din of voices and music, Paula and Buster quietly make their way through the tangle of patrons' feet, pausing to bask in the massage of hands reaching down to pet them. "They're usually on someone's lap," says Dawn, who seeks out animal-friendly restaurants and bars like this one in Venice.
Monica Paull, sitting nearby, gushes, "Your dogs are amazing!" She pats the empty spot next to her and Paula hops up.
At this moment, it's difficult to believe that Paula and Buster share a heritage with dogs that have, this summer, fatally mauled a man in San Bernardino County and seriously wounded an 11-year-old girl in a school bathroom in the San Fernando Valley and an 11-month-old girl in Santa Barbara.
rest of story...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pitbulls3aug03,0,550792.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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So Sad.... :'(
Its the damn owners, they buy these types of dogs, and they train them to be bad ass protection dogs, and they cant control them. If you make a dog into that type of mentality, you cant just let it out and roam etc..or whatever the case maybe where assicents happen....asshole owners... >:(
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Bump for Nordic...
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Bump for Nordic...
Bring it .... None of you can debate me with scientific evidence or true scientific facts proving pits are more aggresive than any other dominent breed. You all hurl accusations and myths! Half you clowns prob have never even seen a pitbull up close.
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Bring it .... None of you can debate me with scientific evidence or true scientific facts proving pits are more aggresive than any other dominent breed. You all hurl accusations and myths! Half you clowns prob have never even seen a pitbull up close.
Nordic will not debate you on this... I just hoped that maybe he would take a few seconds to verse himself on the debate that's already occurred on getbig over this instead of making some immediate decision without thinking about it.
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Ok, i MUST jump in on this one. American Pit Bull Terriers are animal aggressive animals, but overall, when bred correctly, they are the SINGLE dog lest likely to ever attack a human. "Why?" you might ask, or,"what the FUUUCk are you talking about traps?"
The American Pit Bull Terrier ("pit bulls" by name are any dog that can fight well, and yes, there is a difference between a pit bull and an american pit bull terrier) was bred to be a game, fighting dog. These fights that were held back in the "day" were not the bloodsport that people perceive them to be (not that i condone these activities, i think dog fighting is disgusting, but also THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF AN AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIERS MENTALITY). The fights had rounds, and handlers much like modern boxing. In between rounds the handlers would have to come out and deal with the hurt dogs like "cut men" in boxing and quickly tend to them and get them ready for the next round. Ask anyone who knows anything about dogs and they will tell you that a dog is most likely to bite when injured. If these dogs showed any aggression towards humans when being handled between rounds, they were destroyed... immediately. No dog has ever been held to the rigorous personality breeding standards that the american pit bull terrier has. If the dogs showed any aggression, they were destroyed... and thusly aggression towards humans was bred out as aggressions towards dogs was bred in. Its not very difficult to understand. For ages the the APBT was one of the most popular breeds in america (i believe it is THE most popular breed today actually) and is the mascot for the marines and the #1 used dog for customs because they are so easy to train and will do what you tell them to until they pass out or die. Ask a UKC judge, someone who really knows dogs, which dog is least likely to ever bite/attack them at a show, and they will undoubtedly say "the american pit bull terrier."
Now, this does not always ring true obviously. People made an unbelievable dog, and people have almost ruined it, or more accurately its public perception. Because for every attack you hear about (which is genuienly inaccurate), there are thousands of other APBT owners who's dogs are just fine.
I could go on till i am blue in the face, but i know in reality i could go to my friends house in martinez tonight and see a bunch of dumbass mexican "thugz" walking around with their pitbulls, mugging me and trying to look tough. Lord knows what the dogs they have were bred for, and lord knows hows those people treat their dogs. Blame people and not dogs. Dogs are supposed to be mans best friend, not mans best ego boost.