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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2007, 05:31:48 AM »
I find it completely hilarious that an army Gen. who recruits and commands thousands of men to go out and KILL thousands of other men, has the audacity to talk about morals. HELLO?? Do we not see the disconnect here?

...especially when you talk about Biblically based morality. If i recall one of those biblical commandments is:

Thou shall not KILL   ::)

But then again... cherry picking isn't a new thing at the Pentagon. same 'ol same 'ol.  ::)

Actually god allows killing in certain situaitons and even commanded people himself to do so. But yes Beach, sodomy is illegal under the UCMJ much like adultery.
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2007, 05:36:13 AM »
What a brilliant system you have. In a time of war, when you're doing sooo well, ...
...you'd kick out strong, competent, able-bodied, skilled personnel who want to serve their country,
...and replace them with wounded & injured personnel, unfit to fight, ...because they're straight. HA!

Brilliant! ...no wonder you're winning so handsomely. I'll bet it's gonna be one heckuva victory parade!

And your ignorant ass ignores the fact that these people had to have outed themselves as a gay in order to be kicked out. In the military, I can't go into my Commanders office and say I think Sgt Smith is gay. I could say that, but the CC couldn't call smith in and ask if he was. So if someone got kicked out, they had to have walked into the office and said "I am gay". Your ignorant ass also doesn't realize that one of the quickest ways to get out of serving in combat is to claim homosexuality. So it isn't that the US military is "kicking out highly qualified individuals". These people want out, so they declare they are gay.
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2007, 09:03:54 AM »
MM is wronmg about the quickest way deal..I thought so to uintil i had oner of my guys try that crap over in Afghanistan. We found out that while he would be getting out normally after ther deployment...because of all the gay rights advocacy crap, he could end up being extended between 6 months to 2 years because of all the case reviews and various boards he would go before. Also depending on if they deteremined he wasn't gay, he could get in a ton of trouble. We told him all this and he decided he wouldn't be gay until he got discharged.
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2007, 09:05:34 AM »
me wonders if the 'big deal' being made has anything to do with pace's recent admission that Iran's govt wasn't necessarily behind attacks in Iraq.

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2007, 09:16:50 AM »
"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way..."

It's good to hear a 4-star general speak out against the President's oil war in Iraq.

Good for him! 

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2007, 09:19:43 AM »
That will never happen but what will happen is America's acceptance of something that's been around since the dawn of man will grow and grow until it's fully integrated into society and completely accepted.

Once people accept that Jesus was gay, it'll be all good.

Think about it, you're the son of god for christ's sake, and you spend all your time running around the desert with a bunch of robe-wearing homos?  A straight man would've been busy getting as much booty as possible. 



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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2007, 11:26:33 AM »
Pace Expresses Regret Over Gay Remark
By PAULINE JELINEK
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon's top general expressed regret Tuesday that he called homosexuality immoral, a remark that drew a harsh condemnation from members of Congress and gay advocacy groups.

In a newspaper interview Monday, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had likened homosexual acts to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gays to serve openly in the armed forces.

In a statement Tuesday, he said he should have focused more in the interview on the Defense Department policy about gays -- and "less on my personal moral views."

He did not offer an apology, something that had been demanded by gay rights groups.

"General Pace's comments are outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the 65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces," the advocacy group Servicemembers Legal Defense Network said in a statement on its Web site.

The group, which has represented some of the thousands dismissed from the military for their sexual orientation, demanded an apology.

Pace's senior staff members said earlier that the general was expressing his personal opinion and did not intend to apologize. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to speak on the record.

Rep. Martin Meehan, who has introduced legislation to repeal the current policy, criticized Pace's comments.

"General Pace's statements aren't in line with either the majority of the public or the military," said the Massachusetts Democrat. "He needs to recognize that support for overturning (the policy) is strong and growing" and that the military is "turning away good troops to enforce a costly policy of discrimination."

In an interview Monday with the Chicago Tribune, Pace was asked about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve if they keep their sexual orientation private and don't engage in homosexual acts.

Pace said he supports the policy, which became law in 1994 and prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.

"I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said in the audio recording of the interview posted on the Tribune's Web site. "I do not believe that the armed forces of the United States are well served by a saying through our policies that it's OK to be immoral in any way."

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.

"As an individual, I would not want (acceptance of gay behavior) to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else's wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior," he said, according to the audio and a transcript released by his staff.

The newspaper said Pace did not address concerns raised by a 2005 government audit that showed some 10,000 troops, including more than 50 specialists in Arabic, have been discharged because of the policy.

Louis Vizcaino, spokesman for the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, said Pace's comments were "insulting and offensive to the men and women ... who are serving in the military honorably."

"Right now there are men and women that are in the battle lines, that are in the trenches, they're serving their country," Vizcaino said. "Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their capability to serve in the U.S. military."

"Don't ask, don't tell" was passed by Congress in 1993 after a firestorm of debate in which advocates argued that allowing homosexuals to serve openly would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesion of combat units.

John Shalikashvili, the retired Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the policy was adopted, said in January that he has changed his mind on the issue since meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in a newspaper opinion piece.

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2007, 11:36:11 AM »
this only goes to show you that many of these people live in their own little world surrounded by "yes" men where every one tries to kiss their ass and they have NO idea what the real world is all about  ...........  so they make stupid statements and then have to back peddle after they make a mistake  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2007, 12:07:10 PM »
Dick Cheney's daughter is immoral.  I love it.  ;D

These “leaders” are a joke... their credibility is undone by their own bigotry.  I bet the General has gay kid.  :-[

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2007, 12:09:37 PM »
Dick Cheney's daughter is immoral.  I love it.  ;D

These “leaders” are a joke... their credibility is undone by their own bigotry.  I bet the General has gay kid.  :-[


and he's probably cheating on his wife.    :o

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2007, 12:16:30 PM »
call me ignorant if you want but it sickens me. i grew up in manhattan so a gay person is nothing new to me. weather or not you choose to be gay -i dont know and i dont care. but 95% of gays choose a lifestyle that is far beyond what should be excepted.
during my years with the pd almost every domestic disturbance call was between a homosexual couple. and you dont even want to know about some of the calls we'd get to gay bars.. men do not belong with men -it doesnt work. how many homos do you know that have had a long and healthy relationship?

this is why its immoral, men physically and psychologically were not intended to fuck each other, or make an attempt to have a relationship. two men were not intended to raise a child. you need a mother and a father.

the spread of aids, drag queens, filthy gay bars -not a healthy lifestyle.
guess im not as 'hip' as you cool guys   :-[

Hate to clue you in, but the majority of ancient societies had rampant homosexuality in them. So chances are that your ancestor was a penis puffing douche bag.

I think I've matured to the point where I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not. As long as they don't bother me, I don't care. And frankly, if they're qualified to defend our country and are willing to put their life on the line in Iraq, then they should be allowed to, regardless of sexual preference.

But I still can't see how you can not love the sweet taste and feel of pussy!!!   :-\

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2007, 12:17:23 PM »
These “leaders” are a joke... their credibility is undone by their own bigotry.  I bet the General has gay kid.  :-[

LOL - You're 100% correct.

And even if the kid isn't totally gay, you know he's had a homosexual encounter at some point in his life. :)

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2007, 12:39:25 PM »
<<  65,000 are estimates of how many gay and lesbians are serving in the military right now. And General Pace... recently shared his beliefs that homosexuality... should not be tolerated in the military... Fine, then let us out, send us home. And, if you are gay, you should refuse, yes, refuse to go in to the military until it accepts you openly. How little self esteem do you have, anyway? And don't give me all this working within the system bullshit, where has that gotten you so far? "Don't ask,don't tell..." Ya, that's progress. Do your partners get benefits if you die? Nope, not officially. Can you even go down on the "family" area and greet them when they return from battle? Not in many instances. So leave, and don't join...

We are not a mistake, we are not immoral, we are not second class citizens and we are not going away.... We are Americans, and to call us anything less is immoral. We are citizens, and to treat us any differently is immoral. We are friends and neighbors and deny it any longer is immoral. We are family, and it refuse it and try and stop us from forming our own is immoral. >>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-karel-bouley/who-exactly-are-you-cal_b_43321.html

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2007, 01:15:06 PM »
and he's probably cheating on his wife.    :o

With a male escort!  ::)

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2007, 01:50:44 PM »
As said before, open homosexuality would hinder a military  unit from functioning at it's best. The same goes for allowing women to pose in Playboy, it doesn't work. All you fools that haven't been in the military have no clue and those of you that have but think it doesn't make a difference have less of a clue. Gays need to stop trying to be accepted as normal. They aren't, period. Call me a biggot I don't give a shit. Science is on my side on this one. If you were meant to be gay you would be able to procreate. you can't, quit bitching.
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2007, 01:54:36 PM »
Call me a biggot I don't give a shit.

OK. You're a bigot.  :)

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2007, 01:57:04 PM »
OK. You're a bigot.  :)

Fine with me, I'm in the MAJORITY
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2007, 02:00:03 PM »
Fine with me, I'm in the MAJORITY

Bigots usually are.  :)

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2007, 02:03:32 PM »
As said before, open homosexuality would hinder a military  unit from functioning at it's best. The same goes for allowing women to pose in Playboy, it doesn't work. All you fools that haven't been in the military have no clue and those of you that have but think it doesn't make a difference have less of a clue. Gays need to stop trying to be accepted as normal. They aren't, period. Call me a biggot I don't give a shit. Science is on my side on this one. If you were meant to be gay you would be able to procreate. you can't, quit bitching.

Unfortunately, anyone who disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle is called a bigot (at least by some). 

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2007, 02:04:44 PM »
Unfortunately, anyone who disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle is called a bigot (at least by some). 

Isn't a Bigot a Racist?

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2007, 02:05:02 PM »
Bigots usually are.  :)

Yeah..that makes no sense on your part
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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2007, 02:11:52 PM »
Isn't a Bigot a Racist?

Depends on who you ask.  I've been called a "bigot" for disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle.  IMO, it is an attempt to silence any opposition to this lifestyle choice.  It has been very successful.

I think both Bay and Ribo have used the term "bigot" to refer to people with anti-homosexual views? 

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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2007, 02:45:36 PM »
A bigot is anyone that disagrees with your point of view, LOL! Homophobe stopped working so they've graduated to bigot. Can Nazi be far behind?

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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2007, 03:01:29 PM »
I think both Bay and Ribo have used the term "bigot" to refer to people with anti-homosexual views? 

big·ot  - NOUN:    One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/24/B0242400.html

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Re: Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2007, 03:42:19 PM »
Actually god allows killing in certain situaitons and even commanded people himself to do so. But yes Beach, sodomy is illegal under the UCMJ much like adultery.

God himself was a mass murderer, that sonofabitch!   >:(