US Soldier admits Americans tortured people for no reason

[240 is Back]

No, that would not be a case, because he doesn't even know the meaning of the word.

One of the funniest things in the world is when a stupid person insults a wiser man for his intelligence.

Everyone in the room - and the stupid person just a little - know the truth.

[Hedgehog]

I'm glad a specialist can make the call about who should be tortured and who shouldn't.

It's an easy question, because torture is never acceptable. Never.

It is what sets us apart from the terrorists and the shady nations in the world.

They may torture. We don't. We are above them. We are the good team.

-Hedge

[Hedgehog]

Let me add another aspect to the torture discussion:

If we would avoid torture and Prison camps like Guantanamo, the "war on terrorism" would be much more legit.

We can't stoop to the low levels of our adversaries.

Look what happened with the British sailors. That was an enormous PR victory for the dangerous Ahmadinejad. It's stupid to give him that.

Without Aby Ghrayb and Guantanamo, the PR in releasing those sailors wouldn't have been that big.

My point is, beyond just being unworthy of a civilized country, torture and unhumane treatment of prisoners are also foolish. It defeats the long-time purpose of winning a "war" on terrorism.

Anyone can see that?

-Hedge

[Old_Rooster]

Do you actually think before you post or do your fingers just indiscriminately type? I'm guessing the latter.

He makes perfect sense.  To go further, god help us if pussys like you were in charge of this countrys security.  I'm fine with BEHEADING them at gitmo after we get the information and put it on TV as a warning to other terrorists that YES WE WILL CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF JUST AS YOU DID TO OURS.

[Old_Rooster]

I don't know that it's wise to admit to participating in torture.

Even if it happened, admissions like this further endanger Americans abroad. 

The reason we don't engage in torture isn't because it's inhumane.  It's because we don't want *our* people being tortured when they are captured.

Wow, I didn't know any of you gave a fuck what they did to our citizens, just the terrorists.

[Old_Rooster]

Let me add another aspect to the torture discussion:

If we would avoid torture and Prison camps like Guantanamo, the "war on terrorism" would be much more legit.

We can't stoop to the low levels of our adversaries.

Look what happened with the British sailors. That was an enormous PR victory for the dangerous Ahmadinejad. It's stupid to give him that.

Without Aby Ghrayb and Guantanamo, the PR in releasing those sailors wouldn't have been that big.

My point is, beyond just being unworthy of a civilized country, torture and unhumane treatment of prisoners are also foolish. It defeats the long-time purpose of winning a "war" on terrorism.

Anyone can see that?

-Hedge

Hedge,
   If you were given this choice what would you do.

If you were to pose these old boys in a few pics with a dog barking at them and in exchange you got information about a terrorist attack planned on our citizens would you do it?

If not, then please bro, go out to the dark side of the web and watch these people chop someones head off with a butter knife.
If these people had a nuclear bomb, they would set it off in downtown new york city and you fucks are concerned if we have a dog bark at them while posing them in a naked pile?  jesus h christ.....give me a fucking break.

[militarymuscle69]

That's pretty savage.  If a civilized nation like ours does that, imagine what those animals overseas do!

I bet those British soldiers captured in Iranian waters got the crap beat out of them!  They were probably sent home on crutches with horrible memories that will last a lifetime.  Those animals.

are you guys fucking kidding me? This guy is saying that in his opinion it was torture...we are talking a spec 4 here in probably his first enlistment that has no experience in shit like this. Obviously just another pantywaist that wanted to give these guys hugs. What in your opinion did he do that was really torture? Keep in mind, I don't think waterboarding is torture because it doesn't leave any lifelong injuries.

[Old_Rooster]

are you guys fucking kidding me? This guy is saying that in his opinion it was torture...we are talking a spec 4 here in probably his first enlistment that has no experience in shit like this. Obviously just another pantywaist that wanted to give these guys hugs. What in your opinion did he do that was really torture? Keep in mind, I don't think waterboarding is torture because it doesn't leave any lifelong injuries.

Bro, I wonder where the thread is that shows the liberals absolute disgust at our citizens getting their heads cut off with a butter knife?
Now I might dish some info to someone if I thought my head was coming off via a butter knife, but snap my pic with a hoodie on me and Lassie barking at me, I think i'd laugh.  Maybe we should give all the Gitmo prisoners a couple million bucks for their humiliation.

[Old_Rooster]

Someone research and list some of the torture our prisoners endured in Vietnam.  Bamboo shoot under my fingernails?  OUCH!  I'll take the barking dog, c'mere lassie, c'mere boy, bark bark bark!

[militarymuscle69]

Bro, I wonder where the thread is that shows the liberals absolute disgust at our citizens getting their heads cut off with a butter knife?
Now I might dish some info to someone if I thought my head was coming off via a butter knife, but snap my pic with a hoodie on me and Lassie barking at me, I think i'd laugh.  Maybe we should give all the Gitmo prisoners a couple million bucks for their humiliation.

my personal opinion is if it doesn't leave lifelong physical injuries then it isn't torture. McCain proves that if you are strong minded, mental torture can be overcome

[Hedgehog]

Hedge,
   If you were given this choice what would you do.

If you were to pose these old boys in a few pics with a dog barking at them and in exchange you got information about a terrorist attack planned on our citizens would you do it?

If not, then please bro, go out to the dark side of the web and watch these people chop someones head off with a butter knife.
If these people had a nuclear bomb, they would set it off in downtown new york city and you fucks are concerned if we have a dog bark at them while posing them in a naked pile?  jesus h christ.....give me a fucking break.

I am concerned about us becoming like them.

The police are experts in interrogation, and don't use torture. Why not bring their expertise in?

Why resort to torture which will give unreliable testamonies and discredit ourselves?

-Hedge

[militarymuscle69]

I am concerned about us becoming like them.

The police are experts in interrogation, and don't use torture. Why not bring their expertise in?

Why resort to torture which will give unreliable testamonies and discredit ourselves?

-Hedge

Hedge, I have always thought of you as an educated voice on here...but even you have to know that interrorgating a murder/bank robber, is 100% different that interrorgating a terrorist that in his head believes that if he fails he will never meet Allah and get his virgins

[Hedgehog]

Someone research and list some of the torture our prisoners endured in Vietnam.  Bamboo shoot under my fingernails?  OUCH!  I'll take the barking dog, c'mere lassie, c'mere boy, bark bark bark!

Mate, I think that torture is beyond comprehension, and totally disgusting.

The Vietnamese had no excuse for torturing POW's. No excuse. The same goes for the horrible torture that citizens of North Korea are put through when put in jails.

Or in medieval Africa's Horn. Watch Hotel Rwanda and Blood Diamond. Two good movies, that touches on the torture commited by fcuked up regimes in the Third World.

-Hedge

[bmacsys]

Civilized nation like yours? You try to be funny, do you, I mean you can't be serious about that? Exactly where you did get that idea, because there is no reason for that kind of complete inaccurate statements like that. More that 20% of your citizens can't even read and you think that is civilised? Less than 150 years a go you guys have your civil war, and one reason for it was Abe Lincoln's decision to stop slavery. From those days to present time you have been the most racist nation on the face of earth, and you think that is civilised? Well, think again, and by the way, it is childish to call that savage, because that is just normal behavior of your soldiers in war. It has happened in every war which you have been fighting in, so it is more like a habit or way to act than savage incident.   

20% of Americans are can't read? Funny. We have a 99% literacy rate. The same as Canada, Sweden etc.. In my 45 years I have never met someone who can't read or write. Funny how all of the great technological advancements seem to come from the USA great finn.

[bmacsys]

Civilized nation like yours? You try to be funny, do you, I mean you can't be serious about that? Exactly where you did get that idea, because there is no reason for that kind of complete inaccurate statements like that. More that 20% of your citizens can't even read and you think that is civilised? Less than 150 years a go you guys have your civil war, and one reason for it was Abe Lincoln's decision to stop slavery. From those days to present time you have been the most racist nation on the face of earth, and you think that is civilised? Well, think again, and by the way, it is childish to call that savage, because that is just normal behavior of your soldiers in war. It has happened in every war which you have been fighting in, so it is more like a habit or way to act than savage incident.   

Monster jealousy issue there great finn. It comes out all the time. Please get some help.

[Old_Rooster]

I am concerned about us becoming like them.

The police are experts in interrogation, and don't use torture. Why not bring their expertise in?

Why resort to torture which will give unreliable testamonies and discredit ourselves?

-Hedge

The police interrogate scared men, I doubt their techniques would get information out of a terrorist thats willing to strap dynamite to his body and blow himself up, or fly a plane into a building.  I'm sure they began shining bright lights in their eyes and questioning them like barney fife, when that failed it upped the ante a bit.   I dunno, I just see this as US or THEM and whatever means it takes to get information, fine by me.   You would trade american lifes in exchange for not having a dog bark at a prisoner?  That just totally baffles me.

[Old_Rooster]

20% of Americans are can't read? Funny. We have a 99% literacy rate. The same as Canada, Sweden etc.. In my 45 years I have never met someone who can't read or write. Funny how all of the great technological advancements seem to come from the USA great finn.

I think Finn is actually Huck Finn

[Hedgehog]

The police interrogate scared men, I doubt their techniques would get information out of a terrorist thats willing to strap dynamite to his body and blow himself up, or fly a plane into a building.  I'm sure they began shining bright lights in their eyes and questioning them like barney fife, when that failed it upped the ante a bit.   I dunno, I just see this as US or THEM and whatever means it takes to get information, fine by me.   You would trade american lifes in exchange for not having a dog bark at a prisoner?  That just totally baffles me.

Do you believe in the confession of Khalid Sheik Muhammed?

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2007/03/true-confessions-tale-of-khalid-shaikh.php

-Hedge

[militarymuscle69]

Do you believe in the confession of Khalid Sheik Muhammed?

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2007/03/true-confessions-tale-of-khalid-shaikh.php

-Hedge

we all know that interrorgation of any sort can bring about lies. You could be sweet as pie to him and they will still give you wrong info

[Hedgehog]

we all know that interrorgation of any sort can bring about lies. You could be sweet as pie to him and they will still give you wrong info

I will readily admit that I think that if given the choice of torturing someone for information that would lead me to info preventing the 9-11, I would probably jump at the chance. Hopefully, our system would prevent me from doing this.

One thing:

These prisoners should be treated as any suspect. Meaning, they can't be treated like at Guantanamo, held without any charges.

I appreciate all this as something hard to accept, and to live by. But it is what makes us the better men. The good guys.

-Hedge

[Old_Rooster]

I will readily admit that I think that if given the choice of torturing someone for information that would lead me to info preventing the 9-11, I would probably jump at the chance. Hopefully, our system would prevent me from doing this.

One thing:

These prisoners should be treated as any suspect. Meaning, they can't be treated like at Guantanamo, held without any charges.

I appreciate all this as something hard to accept, and to live by. But it is what makes us the better men. The good guys.

-Hedge

Sorry, this is a different time, only way to fight these cockroaches is to fight fire with fire.

I wish the world could be lived through rose colored glasses and its a sweet little dream.
Its not reality in the world we live in today.

[240 is Back]

Sorry, this is a different time, only way to fight these cockroaches is to fight fire with fire.

I wish the world could be lived through rose colored glasses and its a sweet little dream.
Its not reality in the world we live in today.

i think you underestimate the jap and ger forces in WWII.  Also the brutal korean generals.

But hey, I bet you can tell us if sanjaya is still on american idol!

[Old_Rooster]

i think you underestimate the jap and ger forces in WWII.  Also the brutal korean generals.

But hey, I bet you can tell us if sanjaya is still on american idol!

Of course he is, Sanjay is sexxing up Paula Abdul!

[24KT]

Sorry, this is a different time, only way to fight these cockroaches is to fight fire with fire.

I wish the world could be lived through rose colored glasses and its a sweet little dream.
Its not reality in the world we live in today.

That's one of your problem's Rooster, ...you have lost touch with reality.
You don't fight fire with fire (no matter how catchy it sounds or how many times the phrase has been repeatedly brainwashed into your psyche. Any firefighter will tell you... YOU FIGHT FIRE WITH WATER!

[240 is Back]

That's one of your problem's Rooster, ...you have lost touch with reality.
You don't fight fire with fire (no matter how catchy it sounds or how many times the phrase has been repeatedly brainwashed into your psyche. Any firefighter will tell you... YOU FIGHT FIRE WITH WATER!

Very wise, obvious, and often overlooked point, Jag.