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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: jonno gb on October 03, 2006, 10:27:57 AM
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Is anyone better than Rob Hope(6 weeks out in this pic) ?
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Of the people who claim to be natural, I'd say Skip La Cour has the best physique.
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I would have to go with Skip because of his record. Rob Hope is up there.
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Agreed. Rob is definetely an inspiration and a testament of what can be achieved
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I would have to go with Skip because of his record. Rob Hope is up there.
Robs also got a great record-twice WNBF Pro-World Champion.
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Is anyone better than Rob Hope(6 weeks out in this pic) ?
I don't believe this guy is natural! Sorry but it is my opinion!
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I don't believe this guy is natural! Sorry but it is my opinion!
Any evidence or just cos he looks good? He weights about 12 st 5 lbs in that shot-I think he would be a lot more if assisted.
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Any evidence or just cos he looks good? He weights about 12 st 5 lbs in that shot-I think he would be a lot more if assisted.
12 stones 5? Is the guy 4 foot tall or something? his arms are huge especially for a natural
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I think he's about 5 ft 6 ? Had the pleasure of meeting him on sunday-he's a top bloke,very likeable and down to earth.Looks quite small in clothes but that's natural bodybuilding for ya.
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Rob Hope is 100% natural he weighs 173lbs in the pics he is 5'6''ish.
Rob is one of the most dedicated and focussed bodybuilders I have met natural or otherwise and when he did the guest spot last Sunday there was a stunned silence he looked awesome. As someone says he looks quite small in clothes but he seems to put on 70lb when he takes them of.
For more pics check out.
http://www.bnbf.co.uk/britain06%20guest%20star/index.htm
Vicky
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Does anyone have any photos of him BEFORE he started training? His mandible is enormously elongated and the classic sign of gh abuse. If he has photos BEFORE he began training and it's the same than he's probably natural. His physique looks natural, but in this day and age when even a 170 pound short stop or a 160 pound tennis player uses growth ya never know. Those who are saying he's only 176 or whatever, it means nothing to prove your point. There are guys that compete at BANTAMWEIGHT that use more stuff than I at super heavy ever did.
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It's called being genetically gifted legbreaker.Add that to a great work ethic and you get a great bodybuilder.
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I realize what being a good natural bodybuilder takes, since I have a natural pro card, However, I still would like to see a pix from before he began training to see his very noticable underbite and elongated mandible. Simple, this is the game he is in and that shouldn't be a shock to anyone. I never said he was or wasn't natural.
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I realize what being a good natural bodybuilder takes, since I have a natural pro card, However, I still would like to see a pix from before he began training to see his very noticable underbite and elongated mandible. Simple, this is the game he is in and that shouldn't be a shock to anyone. I never said he was or wasn't natural.
Which organisation do you compete with,mate?
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The NABF was the org I won a pro qualifier in...I also competed at the Muscle mania but stopped after realizeing no one that wins there or universe is natural..I then went into NPC shows after 15 years away from NPC. Are you a natural bodybuilder?
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Legbreaker what year did you win in the NABF? I won my pro card in 2003. I would also love to see a before pic of Rob bc he looks to be on of the best.
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Jude2, 2000..good for you, was it also NABF? Al ran a tight ship and some real good shows. The fact that he did NOT allow pro hormones use at least made his urine test 90% legit for the day of the show, but you can never exclude gh. I heard they weren't around anymore, too bad.
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Skip is numero uno
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im the best over 6feet without anydoubt
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(http://www.bnbf.co.uk/images/pro%20page%20chris3.jpg)(http://www.bnbf.co.uk/images/pro%20page%20chris1.jpg)
I think that the over 6' title would go to Chris Nsubuga Pro Natural BNBF Overall British Champ 2005
Who will be competing in the Natural O in Greece 2007
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im the best over 6feet without anydoubt
Your pix did look ok, stretch, but I'm 6'1/2" or so and competed at 224 when tested, 265 when not tested. How much did you weigh fro the get big pictures? How tall are you? If your 6'6" (?) you gotta be about 255 or over to be considered big, even by natural standards.
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The NABF was the org I won a pro qualifier in...I also competed at the Muscle mania but stopped after realizeing no one that wins there or universe is natural..I then went into NPC shows after 15 years away from NPC. Are you a natural bodybuilder?
Yes,I compete with the NPA,a lifetime natural organisation in the UK.Not at you level though-won a regional qualifier and placed 5th in the British finals in my first full season of competition.Was pleased with my condition but need to gain more mass or hang onto more when dieting.At the risk of getting the piss taken,here's a pic :-[
PS Hi Vicky,nice to meet you and Rob on sunday :)
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Your pix did look ok, stretch, but I'm 6'1/2" or so and competed at 224 when tested, 265 when not tested. How much did you weigh fro the get big pictures? How tall are you? If your 6'6" (?) you gotta be about 255 or over to be considered big, even by natural standards.
265 lbs when not tested! Do you still consider yourself to be natural? Sorry,just re-read your posts-I see you now compete with the NPC so I assume you have to do what it takes-fair play to you.
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ya look real good and tight. It does seem like you are over dieted and just judging by that pix could probably hold onto 10 pounds, after carbing up, if you hit it right. I personally think the truely naturals prep has to be a bit longer and slower than one with stuff....Contest dieting and prep is much to stress on the natural and your body will eat muscle when in a stressed chemistry.
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Yes,I compete with the NPA,a lifetime natural organisation in the UK.Not at you level though-won a regional qualifier and placed 5th in the British finals in my first full season of competition.Was pleased with my condition but need to gain more mass or hang onto more when dieting.At the risk of getting the piss taken,here's a pic :-[
PS Hi Vicky,nice to meet you and Rob on sunday :)
Hi Jon
Is was good to eventually meet up with you. I never quite know what to expect when I bump into people from forums as I can be quite outspoken if you know what I mean. The good thing is that once I have had my say I let things go.
Hope to bump into you again sometime.
Vicky
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Vicky-outspoken people make the forums more interesting ;) Hope to see you at the BNBF Scottish next year as my mate,Andrew J,is planning to compete in the masters.
Legbreaker-thanks for the comments,totally agree.Hope to rectify things next year 8)
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Jude2, 2000..good for you, was it also NABF? Al ran a tight ship and some real good shows. The fact that he did NOT allow pro hormones use at least made his urine test 90% legit for the day of the show, but you can never exclude gh. I heard they weren't around anymore, too bad.
Yes it was a NABF nationals in Summerset, Mass. Al said he was to busy with is personal training center and was making money, so he had to giveup his natural org. He was sad about it when I spoke to him. I still would like to see some old shots of Hope.
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We had a guess who from there baby pics competition on the BNBF site a few years ago and Rob facially has not changed.
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We had a guess who from there baby pics competition on the BNBF site a few years ago and Rob facially has not changed.
Vicky, people are going to believe what they WANT to believe. Get used to it. The more publicity Hope gets, the more crap that will be thrown his way. Especially as the newbies start coming abord in the next few years.
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Vicky, people are going to believe what they WANT to believe. Get used to it. The more publicity Hope gets, the more crap that will be thrown his way. Especially as the newbies start coming abord in the next few years.
I dont have to get used to it. It is not me that is getting attacked sorry I want to defend a good friend Rob.
Rob looks small in clothes and as a few assisted bodybuilders who know him comment he seems to put on 70lbs when he takes his clothes off. This is quite common of true naturals they are not massive it is the balance and proportions that give the illusion of size. You can believe what you want but do you really not believe him or does it just upset you a natural can look so good. The newbies that you are talking about will believe what they read and comments questioning every natural who looks good will do nothing to promote natural bodybuilding lets think the best of people. Innocent until proven guilty.
Vicky
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Vicky, No one that doesn't know him or anyone else that claims "natural" can say whether or not he truely is. His physique does in fact look natural, however he has a extra elongated mandible, just for discussion sake(it is an internet board where his pix are posted) see if you can get a pix from before he began training, Not a baby pix, lol. I have gotten a pro natural card as well, as have many, and have been accussed of using too, but I do not have a big underbite and elongated lower jaw.
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Your pix did look ok, stretch, but I'm 6'1/2" or so and competed at 224 when tested, 265 when not tested. How much did you weigh fro the get big pictures? How tall are you? If your 6'6" (?) you gotta be about 255 or over to be considered big, even by natural standards.
You dont even appear to be a natural looking at the post above so no wonder you are questioning Rob. We havent seen pictures of you to say whether you have any signs of drug use. You could have a big jaw a distended abdomen or various other signs. You are not lifetime natural Rob is. If Rob can be bothered posting early pics of himself maybe he will but I doubt he will be concerned by your accusations especially when you are not a true natural.
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Vicky, now you sound like a moron because you just made the SAME EXACT suggestion that your are going crazy about others Possibly making about your buddy....hahah. I DID NOT say i was natural when i competed at 235 (overdieted) and 265, if you have reading comprehension skills. I was 100% natural, not even pro hormones, when i competed at 223...I could have been 215 and real tight but wanted to keep a bit more size instead of over dieting. I, personally could care less if this guy is natural or not. I also can't say whether he is or not. Like I said, his physique appears natural, but that does not mean anything today because of the fact that even the 160 pound tour defrance guy uses stuf as do all other athletes and some are only 160.
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Vicky, now you sound like a moron because you just made the SAME EXACT suggestion that your are going crazy about others Possibly making about your buddy....hahah. I DID NOT say i was natural when i competed at 235 (overdieted) and 265, if you have reading comprehension skills. I was 100% natural, not even pro hormones, when i competed at 223...I could have been 215 and real tight but wanted to keep a bit more size instead of over dieting. I, personally could care less if this guy is natural or not. I also can't say whether he is or not. Like I said, his physique appears natural, but that does not mean anything today because of the fact that even the 160 pound tour defrance guy uses stuf as do all other athletes and some are only 160.
You obviously do care or you would not have brought things up in the first place.
Whatever you say you did nt stay natural yet you are still on a natural forum.
Yes some things can indicate drug usage but it is no guarantee.
You have made loads of claims about your achievements but still no name or pics, what are you hidding.
Vicky McCann
Pro natural bodybuilder
www.pronaturalmuscle.com
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Just to respond to your comments.
I haven't used anything since dec/04 when i decided to get involved in wrestling.
I simply press the new post or latest responses to my post and never went to a specific board, if it's not on new post I wouldn't comment.
I have placed my pix, face and all on this board. I only posted pix to give readers on the board a perspective of where my knowledge and opinions come from and back up a point as I think anyone on an internet board should do before making claims and given advice.
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I think that the over 6' title would go to Chris Nsubuga Pro Natural BNBF Overall British Champ 2005
Who will be competing in the Natural O in Greece 2007
I could give this guy a run for his money. I am 6'4.
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How many times have you competed,Sinbad?
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Go for it Sinbad we all love good competition including Chris who is pictured.
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How many times have you competed,Sinbad?
I have never competed, but I just don't think my physique is that far off from this guy. I have a full time job and two kids under 4 so I don't have as much time to train as i would like, and I don't diet or do cardio ;D, but even so I am not that far off.
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I think it is the dieting that sorts out the men from the boys but good luck if you decide to give it a go-it's worth it in the end :)
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I think it is the dieting that sorts out the men from the boys but good luck if you decide to give it a go-it's worth it in the end :)
I don't find the dieting that hard, after the first week or so, but just don't have the time right now. I eat pretty clean, just not hard core. I dieted for about 5 weeks a little while ago, just for myself and I like getting leaner, but didn't like the lack or energy and strength, which went down a bit. It is just nice for me personally to know that I am not that far off from other tall naturals. I will keep at it, as it is a lifestyle for me.
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Hey Vicky and Jon!
OH the nattie non nattie argument!
I think people forget that there is a HUGE genetic component to BBing.
I am doing some research on the myostatin gene right now, and it does seem that less than 20% of men and even fewer women have the genetic polymorphism to put on any substantial amount of muscle naturally.
I do think that the nattie scene is a lot stronger in the UK
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I don't thin anyone forgets there is a genetic factor in bodybuilding...I think that is extremely well known and thought of.
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I don't thin anyone forgets there is a genetic factor in bodybuilding...I think that is extremely well known and thought of.
How much natural bodybuilding SUCK if a guy who doesn't have enoguh time to train, has a full time job, and two kids under 4 thinks he "is not that far off" from a top natural pro? And, he hasn't even competed.
Let face. Anyone who is really good get accused of using drugs. It doesn't matter if they have great genetics, commit themselves to being the best (and put making money as a lower prioirty in life, isn't maried with kids. Oh, no. clearing out your schedule to be the best can't make you THE BEST, can it?
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Hey Vicky and Jon!
OH the nattie non nattie argument!
I think people forget that there is a HUGE genetic component to BBing.
I am doing some research on the myostatin gene right now, and it does seem that less than 20% of men and even fewer women have the genetic polymorphism to put on any substantial amount of muscle naturally.
I do think that the nattie scene is a lot stronger in the UK
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Hi Tatyana, Welcome to the mad house ;D Hope the injury is coming along ok :-*
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Tatyana, do you really think people forget there is a genetic component to bodybuilding success? I do not think I've ever met 1 person that competes that did not realize this. have you?
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Tatyana, do you really think people forget there is a genetic component to bodybuilding success? I do not think I've ever met 1 person that competes that did not realize this. have you?
I think competitive bodybuilders get this, but the average Joe who wants a BBer physique (at any cost) seems to point the 'he/she must have taken something' all too often.
I have quite a few male friends now, who get annoyed that I am often more ripped than them.
Most of them also put a needle in their ass. They also still go out on the lager, take all sorts of recreational drugs (which then has them go with out eating half the weekend) and then when they do eat it is RUBBISH.
I will be getting my cheat meal from Planet Organic, and they will be at Burger King.
It does take some of them ages to figure out that you do have to make a few 'sacrifices' (mind you the state they end up in Monday morning it is not a sacrifice), to have the great body.
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for the over 40, this guy. just placed third in the NABBA universe in england and he's from my country GUYANA. He's also a pro in Musclemania He needs a little more legs but wooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww ww
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For any age he looks good. If he competes in natural he should get the gyno fixed though.
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DUDE, I'VE HAD GYNO SINCE I WAS 11, MY NEPHEW WHO IS 18 AND WAS NEVER INTO LIFTING WEIGHTS HAS THEM, THEY GO AND COME FOR ME SO I WILL NOT JUDGE ANYBODY WHO HAS THEM, UNLESS ITS A RONNIE OR JOHNNIE JACKSON, WHOM I KNOW ARE USING STUFF.
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you contradict yourself by saying, "I will not judge anyone that has gyno (EXCEPT RONNIE AND JOHNNY) because you KNOW they are using stuff. When did Ronnie or Johnny tell you they were using stuff? Obviously they are, but what I'm saying is if you know they are how do you know this guy is not? You don't know, it's pure speculation.
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because he was my training partner for 4 years before i moved to los angeles. training partners usually communicate on the supplements they are using. when you train as hard as we did most people would assume that we were juicing but it was just a matter of pushing each other beyond their limits. he was and is the best training partner i've ever had.
my intensions of stating johnny and ronnie was not judgemental, i was just stating the obvious to being on top of the ifbb in which no drug free athlete can accopmplish these days. maybe the word juge was wrongfully placed but it is fact.
to look like that and be in your mid forties is an accomplisment of it self.
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The guy has a terrific physique, no doubt. More and more in BB we are seeing physiques that simply get better and better. When I was 18 competing in mens shows the norm was 23 or so to turn pro...it obviously isn't like that anymore. Hey if he is natural, and wishes to compete in natural shows then he should get the gyno fixed, regardless. Wth gyno like that I'm not the first one to bring it up, believe me.
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i would say frank zane ;) he's natural all the way
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it is such inspirational for us
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i would say frank zane ;) he's natural all the way
that´s why he gets his nickname "the chemnist"
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No one can say who really was the best "natural Bodybuilder" of all time.....some are lying...others maybe not ?
in the mid-late 80´s there was that Athlete from Haiti, who moved to the US, and won the "universe 80 kg title at the world Championship in Tokio" and his Pro-Card, J.P. Guillaume....his legs where very good, his upper Body wasn´t that massive, but all over Quality muscles. I´m really not sure if this guy really was doing what he was praying. "natural Bodybuilding" !
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No one can say who really was the best "natural Bodybuilder" of all time.....some are lying...others maybe not ?
in the mid-late 80´s there was that Athlete from Haiti, who moved to the US, and won the "universe 80 kg title at the world Championship in Tokio" and his Pro-Card, J.P. Guillaume....his legs where very good, his upper Body wasn´t that massive, but all over Quality muscles. I´m really not sure if this guy really was doing what he was praying. "natural Bodybuilding" !
he had great arms,small frame,ripped great shape...guillame..
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he had great arms,small frame,ripped great shape...guillame..
he trained in our gym a whole week.....cause he was the guestposer of a national Qualifier (IFBB), think it was around 1987.
The owner of this Gym was a IFBB-Official in the 80´s and 90´s. My friend Thomas Scheu still Training in this gym and hope to make his comeback (had an accident last November, serious injuries) at this years Master World Championship in the "Dom-Rep" (Santo Domingo).
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he trained in our gym a whole week.....cause he was the guestposer of a national Qualifier (IFBB), think it was around 1987.
The owner of this Gym was a IFBB-Official in the 80´s and 90´s. My friend Thomas Scheu still Training in this gym and hope to make his comeback (had an accident last November, serious injuries) at this years Master World Championship in the "Dom-Rep" (Santo Domingo).
scheu has/had great build...great lines...
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but he ripped both Patella-Tendoms in that accident, which happend in his home shortly after waking up on the day of the German Qualification last year for the world-championship (Seniors & Juniors in Bochum). He fall down the stairs....and sh.. happenend.
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but he ripped both Patella-Tendoms in that accident, which happend in his home shortly after waking up on the day of the German Qualification last year for the world-championship (Seniors & Juniors in Bochum). He fall down the stairs....and sh.. happenend.
:-\OUCH....
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Thomas Scheu did his first geustposing at a ifbb-show (intern. Bavarian champ. in Erlangen/near Nürnberg) last Weekend. He´s now 9 days out of the German qualification for the Seniors-world Championships in Santo Domingo/DomRep in early December.
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Thomas Scheu did his first geustposing at a ifbb-show (intern. Bavarian champ. in Erlangen/near Nürnberg) last Weekend. He´s now 9 days out of the German qualification for the Seniors-world Championships in Santo Domingo/DomRep in early December.
great bber but he's not natural big man,,,
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I don't believe this guy is natural! Sorry but it is my opinion!
Agreed....Most of these guys are blatant liars....jeez...what is wrong with people?