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This Francis guy....strangest Pope ever...first it was Socialism is dandy, now endorses gay marriage.
It had been since 1415 that a pope who was alive stepped down. Did Benedict step down or was he forced out by this apparent Antipope?
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This Francis guy....strangest Pope ever...first it was Socialism is dandy, now endorses gay marriage.
It had been since 1415 that a pope who was alive stepped down. Did Benedict step down or was he forced out by this apparent Antipope?
I know. Very strange to have a Pope acting Christ-like. Who'd of thunk it?
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still never came out against the huge ass Moloch statue they have up at the Colosseum now
wtf is that
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My wife is a deeply religious Catholic (almost nun-like) and all of the Practicing Catholics I know including my Priest friend thinks he’s whack job.
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
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My wife is a deeply religious Catholic (almost nun-like) and all of the Practicing Catholics I know including my Priest friend thinks he’s whack job.
Globalists Pope >:(
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Globalist Pope = Globapope or Glope
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
What denomination do you now attend services?
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He's a gay, liberal goofball.
What straight Man would become a priest?
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He hates Asian women too.
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He's a gay, liberal goofball.
What straight Man would become a priest?
In the words of a wise getbigger, monasteries and convents have been a safe heaven for homosexuals and lesbians for centuries.
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The catholic church is the richest institution in the world and harbours pedophiles and child traffickers. Should be nuked
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Super weird. Are Catholics really going to stand for this Pope?
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I know. Very strange to have a Pope acting Christ-like. Who'd of thunk it?
Christ like? lol - your lack of intelligence is showing. Quick - go find me that passage in the bible about same sex unions- you'll be surprised to find it doesn't jive with your fantasy.
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The catholic church is the richest institution in the world and harbours pedophiles and child traffickers. Should be nuked
Used to be richest. The payouts for sexual assault in the USA is bankrupting it.
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He's a gay, liberal goofball.
What straight Man would become a priest?
Answer: none. My local church in upstate NY ending up having at least three pedophiles in 20 years. The church just moved them around so they could attend to a bigger "flock"
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
Well put Pellius. The Catholic Church is a joke. I grew up as a Roman Catholic and watched it decay into a corrupt and perverted organization. One of my friends was hit on by a priest repeatedly. He kept telling his dad who brushed it off, saying the boy was making things up.The last straw was the priest sending the 15 year old a "fur lined jock strap" as a Christmas present, lol. No lie. The the kid's dad realized it was all true and started action against the priest. The priest eventually was arrested on pedophilia charges. And that was just the tip of the iceberg in upstate NY.
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
Problem is that the first bibles were written 400 years ad. So whose teaching are written in there? Was it Christ’s? Or was it a bunch of guy just winging it writing down stuff that had been passed down massaged and edited for 4 centuries
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He's a lefty.
Most Catholic priests are gay. He probably is. The Church hierarchy has ignored priest pedos forever. They are a group of pedos.
Many Catholics are oddly liberal. Support of abortion is against Church doctrine and liberals support abortion.
Many Jews eat bacon too.
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Not surprised at all, he's pushing an agenda.
Even the Pope has to answer to someone.
All religion is fake anyway.
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Not surprised at all, he's pushing an agenda.
Even the Pope has to answer to someone.
All religion is fake anyway.
My sky wizard can beat up your sky wizard.
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
This is exactly why I left the church except it’s more like they abandoned us. It’s been completely subverted to the core, it’s run rampant with homosexuality and pedophilia. It needs a massive reformation, there’s so much culture and tradition in the buildings alone. It saddens me to what it’s become like everything else today degenerated into something unrecognizable.
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This is exactly why I left the church except it’s more like they abandoned us. It’s been completely subverted to the core, it’s run rampant with homosexuality and pedophilia. It needs a massive reformation, there’s so much culture and tradition in the buildings alone. It saddens me to what it’s become like everything else today degenerated into something unrecognizable.
It was always degenerate. People just were blind to it.
People thought priests walked on water. My parents were like that.
There are still people who think that way but they are mainly in less educated countries or countries where the Catholic religion and government are closely intertwined.
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TOTALLY NUDE UNDER THAT ROBE. ALWAYS. NO UNDERWEAR.
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We wuz kangs
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What denomination do you now attend services?
Non denominational Christian church that my sister goes to. Still open but this has been a bonding experience with my sister and we've gotten much closer. She's kind of the saint in the family and always considered me as one prone to stray from the path of virtue.
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He hates Asian women too.
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Nah, she deserved that. You don't pull at anyone, let alone the Pope, like that.
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Well put Pellius. The Catholic Church is a joke. I grew up as a Roman Catholic and watched it decay into a corrupt and perverted organization. One of my friends was hit on by a priest repeatedly. He kept telling his dad who brushed it off, saying the boy was making things up.The last straw was the priest sending the 15 year old a "fur lined jock strap" as a Christmas present, lol. No lie. The the kid's dad realized it was all true and started action against the priest. The priest eventually was arrested on pedophilia charges. And that was just the tip of the iceberg in upstate NY.
It all started with Vatican 2. The church seems to have valued growth over sanctity. The easiest way to appeal to the masses is to lower standards. Now there is really nothing you can do to get excommunicated. All the rules are now just suggestions. So now it is has become perfectly legitimate to say "I'm a non-practicing Catholic." Which means you can still be a Catholic even if you don't follow the rules. Ever hear someone say, "I'm a non-practicing Mormon."? "I'm a non-practicing Hasidic Jew."? You either are or you are not. Catholics has become so water-downed that it's almost meaningless. If I have a new neighbor and I hear he's a Catholic, it still doesn't tell me what kind of neighbor I have. If I hear my new neighbor is a Mormom, then I will breathe a sigh of relief. They may have a wacky theology but they are overwhelmingly good people.
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Nah, she deserved that. You don't pull at anyone, let alone the Pope, like that.
Yeah she deserved it.
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He's a lefty.
Most Catholic priests are gay. He probably is. The Church hierarchy has ignored priest pedos forever. They are a group of pedos.
Many Catholics are oddly liberal. Support of abortion is against Church doctrine and liberals support abortion.
Many Jews eat bacon too.
Can you provide any evidence that proves that Most, which I take to mean at least 75%, of the Catholics priest are gay? This is in light of the fact that gays in society represent 2-4% of the male population.
The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion.
Being Jewish is both a religion and ethnicity. You can be born a Jew and not have any affiliation with Judaism and will feel free to eat as much bacon as you want. Conversely, you can be an Irishman yet also be an orthodox Jew. Trump's daughter is a Jew.
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My wife is a deeply religious Catholic (almost nun-like) and all of the Practicing Catholics I know including my Priest friend thinks he’s whack job.
Catholics worship man and not God. At least thats my understanding.
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This is exactly why I left the church except it’s more like they abandoned us. It’s been completely subverted to the core, it’s run rampant with homosexuality and pedophilia. It needs a massive reformation, there’s so much culture and tradition in the buildings alone. It saddens me to what it’s become like everything else today degenerated into something unrecognizable.
Well said. It nice to hear someone that appreciates the long history and tradition that goes with Catholicism only to have degenerated into what we have now. And there are so many good Preist and Nuns who do so much good but have nowhere else to go.
Remember that Nun at the RNC who spoke in support of Trump? Her whole life devoted in service to others when as a doctor she could have had a nice comfortable and lucrative practice but instead she goes to the shit holes in the world giving medical care to those who don't have it available to them.
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It was always degenerate. People just were blind to it.
People thought priests walked on water. My parents were like that.
There are still people who think that way but they are mainly in less educated countries or countries where the Catholic religion and government are closely intertwined.
You seem to speak with such authority and knowledge about things you don't know anything about. You obviously don't have a clue to how much good the Catholic church does in the world in regard to charities, providing food, clothing, housing, and medical care to those who live at a level of squalor and poverty that you will never experience and never understand.
Nobody, but your parents, think that Priests walk on water. These are just ordinary men who choose to devote their lives to Christ and spend many years in school to be considered for that position.
My two nieces went on a missionary almost two years ago and were away from their family for six months. How many 18 and 19 years do that? I myself went on a missionary as a teenager in the Phillipines over the summer. It was hard work in a harsh environment. Always hot and muggy with no a/c.
What have you done in your life to make the world a better place? You should educate yourself more before you call over a billion Catholics in the world as devoting their lives to an "always" degenerate faith.
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Church realizes it has to modify and keep up with the current state of the world. They know it's a losing battle not to conform to the globalist agenda.
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Can you provide any evidence that proves that Most, which I take to mean at least 75%, of the Catholics priest are gay? This is in light of the fact that gays in society represent 2-4% of the male population.
Let me put it this way, people are smart. Smart enough to know when their new neighbor or co worker who has no kids and isnt married also isnt gay. Pedophiles cannot survive in society. Where do you suppose they end up? Obviously prison and homeless but the rest? Lets look at it another way, if a grown man says he doesnt need sex that God is enough i instantly become suspicious. I mean its really obvious pellius. Think about it. The catholic church has been a safe haven for pedophiles a very long time. Now its such a huge religeous and economic force that theyre difficult to get rid of but i assure you a disturbing percentage of catholic priests bishops clergy whatever you call them are pedophiles. Its an old cult and not the path to Jesus and Salvation to say the least.
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Catholics worship man and not God. At least thats my understanding.
Your understanding is wrong. The concept of the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is lost on so many. Think of water. Water is a liquid, a solid, and a gas.
Be water, my friend.
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Your understanding is wrong. The concept of the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is lost on so many. Think of water. Water is a liquid, a solid, and a gas.
Be water, my friend.
What are you talking about? I said catholics worship man and not God. You goin joe biden on me?
By man i mean the pope.
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Church realizes it has to modify and keep up with the current state of the world. They know it's a losing battle not to conform to the globalist agenda.
That's what they thought. But they were wrong. One of the fatest growing faiths is Mormonism, The LDS. In this increasingly hollow, shallow, and vapid world people are looking for something with real standards and meaning. Not everyone can be Mormon and if you don't follow their laws you are excommunicated. Anyone can call themselves a Catholic. You don't even have to go to church to be considered a Catholics. All you have to do is just say you are. It's totally consistent with the values of today. If you want to be a girl, a Black, an Indian... all you have to do is say you are.
It always brings a smile to my face when I see two young men, late teens/early twenties, aways from their homes, wearing dress pants, a white dress shirt, and a tie, properly groomed, clean-shaven, neat and clean hair cut, riding their bikes under the hot Hawaiian sun spreading their faith.
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The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion.
Hmm
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Let me put it this way, people are smart. Smart enough to know when their new neighbor or co worker who has no kids and isnt married also isnt gay. Pedophiles cannot survive in society. Where do you suppose they end up? Obviously prison and homeless but the rest? Lets look at it another way, if a grown man says he doesnt need sex that God is enough i instantly become suspicious. I mean its really obvious pellius. Think about it. The catholic church has been a safe haven for pedophiles a very long time. Now its such a huge religeous and economic force that theyre difficult to get rid of but i assure you a disturbing percentage of catholic priests bishops clergy whatever you call them are pedophiles. Its an old cult and not the path to Jesus and Salvation to say the least.
Pedophiles don't need a "safe-haven". They can be married with kids. They can be old grandpas. The can be rookie police officers. They can be your dentist. Pedophiles have survived, and still survived, for as long as recorded history. They don't need the Catholic church to exist and most pedos are not Catholics or involved with the church. You don't know what you are talking about. Are you trying to make the argument that ALL pedophiles will eventually be caught and imprisoned or homeless?
You can be as suspicious as you want to be but there is a long tradition of men living a life of celibacy or being chaste. Look up the difference because as knowledgeable you think you are I doubt you know the difference between two which use to be common knowledge. Men from various cultures and traditions abstain from all sorts of things, whether it be matters of diet, behavior, or any kind of "earthy" goods and luxuries. Some even abstain from any forms of verbal communication. Ever seen a documentary on Trappist Monks? Or are they all pedophiles and homosexuals, too?
The problem is that you project your own weaknesses and lack of discipline unto others and therefore if you can't do something that means nobody else can.
And you can't "assure me" that the majority of the clergy are pedophiles. How can you make this statement? Who are you? What studies have you done? You don't even know the basic premise of Catholicism. And you fail to understand that the whole scandal with Catholic priest had nothing to pedophilia. It was sex with underage,
post-pubertal teenagers. You don't even seem to know the definition of pedophilia. There's a huge difference between having sex with a 15-year-old and a seven-year-old.
You can't assure me of anything simply because you have nothing to assure. You are simply just not knowledgeable enough to speak with such authority on an issue in which you have proven you are just not well informed of.
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What are you talking about? I said catholics worship man and not God. You goin joe biden on me?
By man i mean the pope.
And again I will tell you that you are wrong. Catholics don't worship the pope. There are prayers to Christ and the Vrigin mothers but no one prays to a pope.
Please, just stop. This is not your area of expertise. Were you even a Catholic? You don't know what you are talking about. It always cracks me up when non-Catholics lecture those who have been born, baptized, and raised a Catholic and went to Catholic schools and what they think they believe and practice.
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Hmm
Hmmm What? Again you prove that you just don't understand Catholic and Christian theology. If you accept Christ as your savior all sins are forgiven. Through the act of confession, a Priest can absolve you of your sins. People think of this as a "get out of jail" card. That you can commute sins and just think to yourself that I can just confess and go about my way. It doesn't work like that. You know your heart and Christ does to. He and you know real regret and repentance.
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That Popes appearance and demeanor strikes me as Pedo
Something is not 100 % right
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He’s probably a homosexual himself.
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I went to Catholic school for 7 years. When little I had a friend molested by a Priest. Father Burke in Lubbock Texas. From Ireland, all the kids looked up to him.
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Non denominational Christian church that my sister goes to. Still open but this has been a bonding experience with my sister and we've gotten much closer. She's kind of the saint in the family and always considered me as one prone to stray from the path of virtue.
I figured Orthodox or Lutheran as they would be the closer to Catholicism.
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Most priests and nuns are homosexual.
This does not mean most priests are pedos but many are as evidenced by the numerous instances brought to light over the past several decades.
Obviously, many pedos exist in the hetero community as well.
In the early days of the Church priests were allowed to marry. This was later forbidden for various reasons but is generally believed for financial reasons. Thus the orders attracted homosexuals.
The nunnery and priesthood became a sanctuary for homosexuals in society where such sexual practices were forbidden.
The Catholic Church is very strong in South America and other less developed parts of the world where people are less educated and more likely to believe in the Church's non-sensical ideas. Countries such as Spain and Portugal have had a long close connection between the Church and government.
Has the Catholic Church done some good? Yes. However. it's good works were done as a means of increasing it's membership. Has it done bad? Yes.
Me = 14 years of Catholic schooling and numerous non-sexual encounters with homo nuns and priests and fortunately only a few pedo priests.
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Not surprised at all, he's pushing an agenda.
Even the Pope has to answer to someone.
All religion is fake anyway.
This. Childrens book fantasy nonsense. ::)
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This. Childrens book fantasy nonsense. ::)
We'll see if you feel the same on your deathbed.
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And you can't "assure me" that the majority of the clergy are pedophiles. How can you make this statement?
I never did make that statement i said "a disturbing percentage" and you rewrote it. You are somewhat naive and see the world through your personal biases and i wont hold that against you as we all do it.
. You don't even seem to know the definition of pedophilia. There's a huge difference between having sex with a 15-year-old and a seven-year-old.
There is a big difference and i surmise I know quite a bit more than you give me credit. In order to meet the clinical definition of pedophilia there must be three factors (whatever you call them)
1. A strong sexual preference for prepubescent children over a period of at least 6 months
2. Inside the home there will be toys games etc in order to make it more appealing to children
3. The person must actively seek and maintain relationships with children. Think coaches teachers daycare owners etc. A pedophile will actively seek ways to gain childrens trust so they can later betray them.
I will consider my working knowledge accurate until proven otherwise.
You can't assure me of anything simply because you have nothing to assure. You are simply just not knowledgeable enough to speak with such authority on an issue in which you have proven you are just not well informed of.
Ive had my run ins with pedophiles since i was about 10 years old. I would say i know enough.
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This. Childrens book fantasy nonsense. ::)
Have you given the church a fair chance? Find a good Christian church and go every week for a month and see how you feel after. It takes about 2 hours of your time one day a week. You have nothing to lose. Church is free. No one there is any better than you they will not judge you and truth be told if you asked every person there they will each tell you, truthfully, that they are glad you came.
Up to you really.
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They are all pederasts. Just look at him, would you leave your teenage son alone with him? :D
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They are all pederasts. Just look at him, would you leave your teenage son alone with him? :D
I wouldn't leave a baby kitteh alone with that twatling. Any man that somehow feels they are the successor to the one they called "the big fisherman" and yet lives in a manner completely opposite that of the Apostle Peter is nothing but an incubus.
He is the personification of that which the Nazarene called, "whited sepulchers".
Here's to him assuming room temperature.
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I'm with those who say this is about homosexuals in the clergy, not outright pedophilia as such. Pederasty is "normal" homo behavior, is it not?
I don't know if anyone has attempted to guesstimate the % of homosexual priests in Catholic church, though I bet some have and I think it's probably a very high %.
Regarding the bible and homosexuality, I think it's very clear what it says as Pellius and others have mentioned. Some try to explain that it's not any worse than any other sin or that Jesus didn't explicitly mention homosexuality. How this supposedly makes homosexuality a-ok for a Christian, something to be outright encouraged is retarded.
Although I'm not a Christian I am interested in ideas so I occasionally read different takes on things, like this recent article about this particular issue:
https://www.unz.com/article/gay-rights-campaign-obtains-the-imprimatur-of-pope-francis-and-his-magic-circle/
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I never did make that statement i said "a disturbing percentage" and you rewrote it. You are somewhat naive and see the world through your personal biases and i wont hold that against you as we all do it.
Calling something a "disturbing percentage" implies a majority. At least it does to me. But, if that's not what you mean that's fine. What the point was is that you can "assure me" of nothing regarding this as you simply don't have the knowledge and experience. Everything you know is just what the media tells you. And naive? Me? You want to compare my experience with Catholicism with yours? Why don't you tell what kind of first-hand experience you have with the Catholic church? I was born, raised, and baptized as a Catholic. I served as an Altar body for five years beginning in the third grade. At 8 years old I use to walk by myself for almost two miles at 4:15 in the morning to serve the 5:00 mass before school. In addition, to a Catholic education, I had after school hours of Bible study. I had aspirations to be a Priest and was put in a program where you serve sort of like an intern to a Priest where you learn the lifestyle and day to day duties of the Priesthood. I had also served as a missionary prior to my senior year in high school. So don't you tell me that I am naive to the Catholic church. I have more insight and hands-on experience into the church than you will ever have. I mean, just listen to you and some of the ignorant claims you make. "Catholics worship the Pope." Oh brother, just stop. You are just parroting what you hear and read in the news. You are trying to speak with authority on a subject you really have very little knowledge about.
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There is a big difference and i surmise I know quite a bit more than you give me credit. In order to meet the clinical definition of pedophilia there must be three factors (whatever you call them)
1. A strong sexual preference for prepubescent children over a period of at least 6 months
2. Inside the home there will be toys games etc in order to make it more appealing to children
3. The person must actively seek and maintain relationships with children. Think coaches teachers daycare owners etc. A pedophile will actively seek ways to gain childrens trust so they can later betray them.
I will consider my working knowledge accurate until proven otherwise.
Ive had my run ins with pedophiles since i was about 10 years old. I would say i know enough.
You can do a Prime Muscle and just rattle off definitions you get from google. But the fact is that the sex scandal was not about Pedophilia as you seem to claim. The vast majority of the victims were post-pubescent teenage boys. You don't know as much as you think you do. Everything about this topic, Catholicism, pedophilias; you've been wrong.
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Most priests and nuns are homosexual.
This does not mean most priests are pedos but many are as evidenced by the numerous instances brought to light over the past several decades.
Obviously, many pedos exist in the hetero community as well.
In the early days of the Church priests were allowed to marry. This was later forbidden for various reasons but is generally believed for financial reasons. Thus the orders attracted homosexuals.
The nunnery and priesthood became a sanctuary for homosexuals in society where such sexual practices were forbidden.
The Catholic Church is very strong in South America and other less developed parts of the world where people are less educated and more likely to believe in the Church's non-sensical ideas. Countries such as Spain and Portugal have had a long close connection between the Church and government.
Has the Catholic Church done some good? Yes. However. it's good works were done as a means of increasing it's membership. Has it done bad? Yes.
Me = 14 years of Catholic schooling and numerous non-sexual encounters with homo nuns and priests and fortunately only a few pedo priests.
The majority means more than fifty percent. So more than 1 of 2 in the Catholic church are gay. Any hard evidence of this?
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I would venture to guess that there are more homos in bodybuilding than there are in the Catholic Church. To be a Priest is not easy. There is a lot of study and schooling involved. A complete college curriculum. Even being a Brother or a Deacon is not something you can just walk into.
All you need to be deeply involved in the bodybuilding culture, having solely to do with the bodies of other men that are practically naked, is just a deep interest and desire.
You do the math.
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Non denominational Christian church that my sister goes to. Still open but this has been a bonding experience with my sister and we've gotten much closer. She's kind of the saint in the family and always considered me as one prone to stray from the path of virtue.
so you dropped one cult for another you don't need instructions from desert nomads to be virtuous
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Your understanding is wrong. The concept of the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is lost on so many. Think of water. Water is a liquid, a solid, and a gas.
Be water, my friend.
the Trinity doctrine was voted in by the early church/RC
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so you dropped one cult for another you don't need instructions from desert nomads to be virtuous
To you, it's a cult. A cult that's been around for thousands of years and observed by billions of people. How evolved you must be.
And, unlike you, I don't trust human nature. The only moral values you have is just your opinion and you ultimately answer only to yourself. And, my guess, like nearly 100% of the population, you are very forgiving to yourself and can always think of ways to justify your behavior.
You think our society has gotten better, more honest, more decent, more civilized,
more respectful, more moral as our society has gotten more and more secular?
Your secular cult does not have a good track record.
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To you, it's a cult. A cult that's been around for thousands of years and observed by billions of people. How evolved you must be.
Islam is another cult with many members 1.9 billion
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And, unlike you, I don't trust human nature. The only moral values you have is just your opinion and you ultimately answer only to yourself. And, my guess, like nearly 100% of the population, you are very forgiving to yourself and can always think of ways to justify your behavior.
You think our society has gotten better, more honest, more decent, more civilized,
more respectful, more moral as our society has gotten more and more secular?
Your secular cult does not have a good track record.
the god of the Bible promotes slavery, genocide, the subjugation of women,etc oh and I almost forgot eternal torture despite there being pain and suffering in this life
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Islam is another cult with many members 1.9 billion
I wouldn't consider those beings to be "human" yet. Maybe in another 4 million years of evolution but right now? Fuck no way. While it's true that some Christians will die for their faith (and many have over the years), muslimes will kill for theirs and be axed to do so by their worthless leaders, even to the extent of blowing themselves to crapdom come. Fuck islime to Hades.
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To you, it's a cult. A cult that's been around for thousands of years and observed by billions of people. How evolved you must be.
And, unlike you, I don't trust human nature. The only moral values you have is just your opinion and you ultimately answer only to yourself. And, my guess, like nearly 100% of the population, you are very forgiving to yourself and can always think of ways to justify your behavior.
You think our society has gotten better, more honest, more decent, more civilized,
more respectful, more moral as our society has gotten more and more secular?
Your secular cult does not have a good track record.
Stalin in the USSR, Hitler in Germany and Pol Pot in Cambodia had their citizens wishing for a religious society rather than a secular. It's funny listening to leftists talk about the evils of religion.
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Stalin in the USSR, Hitler in Germany and Pol Pot in Cambodia had their citizens wishing for a religious society rather than a secular. It's funny listening to leftists talk about the evils of religion.
Nazi Germany had its own brand of Christianity as well as other state sponsored religious movements
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I wouldn't consider those beings to be "human" yet. Maybe in another 4 million years of evolution but right now? Fuck no way. While it's true that some Christians will die for their faith (and many have over the years), muslimes will kill for theirs and be axed to do so by their worthless leaders, even to the extent of blowing themselves to crapdom come. Fuck islime to Hades.
Christianity has conquered and persecuted people in the name of God just like Islam the only difference is that secularism has not affected Islam to the degree as Christianity
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Christianity has conquered and persecuted people in the name of God just like Islam the only difference is that secularism has not affected Islam to the degree as Christianity
The difference is in the teachings of the Nazarene and those of the pedophile profit hoMohammed. The Christ is more than just a man both in word and deed. And hoMohammed? He was all that is bad in men.
If you cannot see and acknowledge that truth, it is because of your distrust of the ways of men.
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Islam is another cult with many members 1.9 billion
And your point? Are you comparing Christianity to Islam? The difference between a Christian based society and an Islam based society.
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the god of the Bible promotes slavery, genocide, the subjugation of women,etc oh and I almost forgot eternal torture despite there being pain and suffering in this life
Promotes slavery, genocide, and subjugation of women? Promotes? It was Christians, mostly the Quakers, that lead the charge of the abolitionists and eliminated slavery. It was a Christian based society that destroyed the one true genocide and protects to this day the Jewish State of Israel. Nowhere on earth do women have more rights, opportunities, and success than in America which was founded on Judeo/Christian ethics.
You seem like just another ungrateful American living in relative comfort and prosperity due to the value system that guided and built this country. It's so sad when you consider how much America has done to make their people and the world a much better place and such a force of good for this world only to have American hating ingrates who would never leave this great country while others around the world risk their lives to be in your place as you shit on this country's value system. A system based on Judeo/Christina ethics.
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Christianity has conquered and persecuted people in the name of God just like Islam the only difference is that secularism has not affected Islam to the degree as Christianity
You do know you are living in the 21st century? It's always easy and convenient to go back to the sins committed centuries ago and completely discount the moral evolution that has occurred during that time to promote your biased agenda. You would not have the cushy life you have today if it wasn't for Christianity which served as the moral backbone for this country and it's rise to it's supremacy,
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The difference is in the teachings of the Nazarene and those of the pedophile profit hoMohammed. The Christ is more than just a man both in word and deed. And hoMohammed? He was all that is bad in men.
If you cannot see and acknowledge that truth, it is because of your distrust of the ways of men.
He doesn't want to see. He would rather believe and pat himself on the back that it is he, and he alone, that is solely responsible for any success he has achieved. Nothing to do with the culture and value system he just happened to be born into while others around the world, due to their culture and value system, suffer because they just happen to have the misfortune of being born there. But instead of being grateful and thankful for his good fortune, something he did nothing to earn or deserve, just got lucky to be born in a good country, he will always find a reason to point out, piss on, and criticize the lack of utopian perfection that we have not achieved. While others, far less fortunate, suffering in ways than this ingrate can ever imagine, make the best of their situation and can even find it in themselves to smile in hopes they can one day live the life of this spoiled ingrate who has no conception and idea just how lucky he is.
He sits in complete comfort and ease bashing Christianity which provided the moral foundation for our countries greatness while a little girl, after being runned over by a donkey cart, has to drag her legless body anchored on a discarded deflated basketball across a dirt road all by herself on her way to school. Like our shameful ingrate, a situation she did nothing to earn or deserve. Just a toss of the coin. Like so much in life.
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Promotes slavery, genocide, and subjugation of women? Promotes?
Did you ever read the Old Testament and think, wow, this is pretty horrible? The carnage, slaughter, taking slaves, killing every man, child and even animal of different tribes, taking virgins for yourself by force, all commanded by God. I know Jesus came with a new covenant and so on but at some point in time the same God sanctioned some pretty horrible stuff by our current sensibilities. A lot of other strange stuff like seeing your father naked by accident requiring death (IIRC). I don't think a Christian would say these were mistakes and sins.
If we were to compare the OT with the Koran, the OT is not any less violent and brutal.
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Did you ever read the Old Testament and think, wow, this is pretty horrible? The carnage, slaughter, taking slaves, killing every man, child and even animal of different tribes, taking virgins for yourself by force, all commanded by God. I know Jesus came with a new covenant and so on but at some point in time the same God sanctioned some pretty horrible stuff by our current sensibilities. A lot of other strange stuff like seeing your father naked by accident requiring death (IIRC). I don't think a Christian would say these were mistakes and sins.
If we were to compare the OT with the Koran, the OT is not any less violent and brutal.
Is there a concern that our society and culture will be based on the Old Testament?
The New Covenant is not just a "so on".
There are a lot of horrible things in this world. I've mentioned many times before that I have a lot of issues regarding a God. Of all the worlds that could have been created why this one? A world in which the bad outweighs the good. Wasn't things fine enough before this great creation? As far as I know, I was doing fine before I was born. I didn't ask for this and if given the choice I'd take a pass. It's not worth it when all is said and done. And I'm one of the lucky ones. I always say that the more interesting question is not whether or not God exists, but is God good? But I'm here now and fortunately, life is short.
You decide what kind of world you think you live in. The choice that you make will determine, whether you know it or not, your metaphysics. How you perceive life and any sort of cosmic justice will shape the kind of person you become and are. If you believe that everything around you and everything throughout history including the beginning of life is simply a random concussion of molecules that somehow appeared out of nowhere. That the concept of good and evil is meaningless and simply a matter of personal opinion which can vary widely among individuals and even yourself depending on the circumstances. That a Mother Teresa and a Stalin share the same fate. Then you will agree with Dostoevski who wrote in the "The Brothers Karamazov"
"That without God, all is permitted." For without God, there is no such thing as morality. Just personal opinion.
People like to laugh at the absurdity of a God creating a universe but feel it is perfectly reasonable to believe that the Universe just suddenly appeared out of nothing.
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Everything in the Bible is twisted around. The true origin has long been hidden from us to mislead us. We humans are way different from all other species on this planet. I think we can all agree on this.
There are suggestions that early human- like species DNA was altered with extraterrestrial DNA.
History books are also full of lies
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Is there a concern that our society and culture will be based on the Old Testament?
The New Covenant is not just a "so on".
There are a lot of horrible things in this world. I've mentioned many times before that I have a lot of issues regarding a God. Of all the worlds that could have been created why this one? A world in which the bad outweighs the good. Wasn't things fine enough before this great creation? As far as I know, I was doing fine before I was born. I didn't ask for this and if given the choice I'd take a pass. It's not worth it when all is said and done. And I'm one of the lucky ones. I always say that the more interesting question is not whether or not God exists, but is God good? But I'm here now and fortunately, life is short.
You decide what kind of world you think you live in. The choice that you make will determine, whether you know it or not, your metaphysics. How you perceive life and any sort of cosmic justice will shape the kind of person you become and are. If you believe that everything around you and everything throughout history including the beginning of life is simply a random concussion of molecules that somehow appeared out of nowhere. That the concept of good and evil is meaningless and simply a matter of personal opinion which can vary widely among individuals and even yourself depending on the circumstances. That a Mother Teresa and a Stalin share the same fate. Then you will agree with Dostoevski who wrote in the "The Brothers Karamazov"
"That without God, all is permitted." For without God, there is no such thing as morality. Just personal opinion.
People like to laugh at the absurdity of a God creating a universe but feel it is perfectly reasonable to believe that the Universe just suddenly appeared out of nothing.
I don't necessarily dismiss religion completely and finally, I just don't feel any specific religion calling me so far. I was just curious how you feel when you read the OT. I know many Christians struggle with certain things in the bible, the concept of hell and so on. So they don't even try to understand it logically, it must be right because we can't understand God. But then how does a Christian decide which Christian interpretation of the bible is correct, which Christian denomination is the correct one? Is this pope a man of God or does he serve Satan? Do you use logic or is it somehow revealed to you in a mystical way? How was it for you?
Morality seems to change with the times even in the Bible. Thou shalt not kill... exept when God tells you to, so many exemptions as to make this commandment pretty ridiculous, even little children weren't exempt. Adultery was prohibited but you could take the virgins against their will, kill her parents. Muslims say the same thing, it's a religion of peace, killing one man is like killing the whole world according to the Koran. Yeah, but there are exeptions...
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many Christians struggle with certain things in the bible, the concept of hell and so on.
imagine that you were god, and some of your creation became... leftists, for instance – arrogantly denouncing u, ur divine word, and every notion of sanity - forget morality... giving themselves entirely to any evil pollution that they can drag their sorry soul into (an immortal soul, broken and waxing worse – for eternity) - finally choosing to have their once intelligently created form transformed into a writhing, shrieking.. completely, and irreversibly, fuked up abomination – never to function in any constructive way, whatsoever.
what to do with such trash?
perhaps burn it.. so says God.
anyway... the understanding that u desire only comes by way of being born from above... just like Jesus said.
Is this pope a man of God or does he serve Satan?
satan, definitely.. just watch this super informative video:
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Promotes slavery, genocide, and subjugation of women? Promotes? It was Christians, mostly the Quakers, that lead the charge of the abolitionists and eliminated slavery. It was a Christian based society that destroyed the one true genocide and protects to this day the Jewish State of Israel. Nowhere on earth do women have more rights, opportunities, and success than in America which was founded on Judeo/Christian ethics.
You seem like just another ungrateful American living in relative comfort and prosperity due to the value system that guided and built this country. It's so sad when you consider how much America has done to make their people and the world a much better place and such a force of good for this world only to have American hating ingrates who would never leave this great country while others around the world risk their lives to be in your place as you shit on this country's value system. A system based on Judeo/Christina ethics.
way to ignore the tribes annihilated in the Hebrew scriptures
One of america's foundations is the separation of church and state something thomas jefferson understood very well
If it weren't for secularism the west would not take issue with forced conversion that your church committed in the inquisition, america's, etc
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Judeo/Christina ethics.
I find interesting this phrase is thrown around despite christianity being originally a jewish sect it is a distinct religion
The concepts of the abolishment of the mosaic law, sin and the human sacrifice, the triune God among other doctrine that are core to christiandom these are all definite abominations according to judaism
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imagine that you were god, and some of your creation became... leftists, for instance – arrogantly denouncing u, ur divine word, and every notion of sanity - forget morality... giving themselves entirely to any evil pollution that they can drag their sorry soul into (an immortal soul, broken and waxing worse – for eternity) - finally choosing to have their once intelligently created form transformed into a writhing, shrieking.. completely, and irreversibly, fuked up abomination – never to function in any constructive way, whatsoever.
what to do with such trash?
perhaps burn it.. so says God.
anyway... the understanding that u desire only comes by way of being born from above... just like Jesus said.
satan, definitely.. just watch this super informative video:
imagine a murderer experiences revelation through the Bible and even gets baptized. Will God burn his victims like trash for not being christian?
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I find interesting this phrase is thrown around despite christianity being originally a jewish sect it is a distinct religion
The concepts of the abolishment of the mosaic law, sin and the human sacrifice, the triune God among other doctrine that are core to christiandom these are all definite abominations according to judaism
My mother explained it to me thus: The Nazarene is the completion of the Scriptures and the promise of God. If you don't think so, fine. I am now Atheist but honor the goodness that is the message of the Nazarene, i.e., the Gospel or Good News.
I don't really know you but your problem seems to be with the weakness of men and not the goodness of the Christ. If you, like so many atheists, dislike the message of the Messiah I would say it is due to that message condemning you because you do not obey it. Fine. You don't believe so don't worry about a fucking thing. Grow up. Do you see me belittling the Gospel? Nope. Because I no longer believe and therefor no longer "worry" if you will. There is nothing wrong with the teachings of the Nazarene.
But you?
You read like a worried man. Consider this - Who would you rather watch over your children for a day, Jesus of Nazareth or the pedophile hoMohammed? If you claim neither, you are fooling no one, not even yourself.
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If Catholics had any integrity they would physically remove this homo from the vatican but alas it's one of the more cucked forms of christianity
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If Catholics had any integrity they would physically remove this homo from the vatican but alas it's one of the more cucked forms of christianity
They won't because they are beta sheep followers. I was raised catholic too. The ultimate hypocrisy.
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My mother explained it to me thus: The Nazarene is the completion of the Scriptures and the promise of God. If you don't think so, fine. I am now Atheist but honor the goodness that is the message of the Nazarene, i.e., the Gospel or Good News.
I don't really know you but your problem seems to be with the weakness of men and not the goodness of the Christ. If you, like so many atheists, dislike the message of the Messiah I would say it is due to that message condemning you because you do not obey it. Fine. You don't believe so don't worry about a fucking thing. Grow up. Do you see me belittling the Gospel? Nope. Because I no longer believe and therefor no longer "worry" if you will. There is nothing wrong with the teachings of the Nazarene.
But you?
You read like a worried man. Consider this - Who would you rather watch over your children for a day, Jesus of Nazareth or the pedophile hoMohammed? If you claim neither, you are fooling no one, not even yourself.
those are terrible choices you have already mentioned one of the documented qualities of islam's most revered prophet
Read what the supposed jesus of Nazareth had to say about the family
Matthew 10:35-38
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They won't because they are beta sheep followers. I was raised catholic too. The ultimate hypocrisy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
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those are terrible choices you have already mentioned one of the documented qualities of islam's most revered prophet
Read what the supposed jesus of Nazareth had to say about the family
Matthew 10:35-38
Any one can read, if not how does that account for idiots like Straw Man here? But to read and understand? That is not so difficult, especially so if you don't have an agenda that is fueled by the righteous distrust of mankind.
What the Nazarene spoke of in the passage you put here is easily understood, even by someone like myself.
And as always, fuck hoMohammed and all of islime.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
When I was a kid in grade school the nuns always called the Pope "omnipotent" instead.
If nothing else, at least those nuns knew their place in regards to a man ;D
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Any one can read, if not how does that account for idiots like Straw Man here? But to read and understand? That is not so difficult, especially so if you don't have an agenda that is fueled by the righteous distrust of mankind.
What the Nazarene spoke of in the passage you put here is easily understood, even by someone like myself.
And as always, fuck hoMohammed and all of islime.
keep spinning
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keep spinning
Really? What are you 13? Behave as you wish but know that as you present yourself so shall you be treated. That goes for the real world too. Be well.
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imagine that you were god, and some of your creation became... leftists, for instance
what to do with such trash?
perhaps burn it.. so says God.
I can't resist playing the Devil's advocate here. You think God thinks leftists should be burnt? Then perhaps the Nazis got their inspiration from the bible. Nazis and Hitler thought the Jews were Bolsjeviks, communists, leftists, and not without cause. This was the reason given for the Nazi's animus against the Jews. So they burnt them en masse, at least according to the official narrative. After all, Holocaust means "burnt offering". What do you think, were they doing God's work?
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way to ignore the tribes annihilated in the Hebrew scriptures
One of america's foundations is the separation of church and state something thomas jefferson understood very well
If it weren't for secularism the west would not take issue with forced conversion that your church committed in the inquisition, america's, etc
I'm living in the 21st century. Come join us.
Yes, there is a separation between the church and state which is NOT in the Constitution. All that means is that you can have the state force their religion on their people like they did in Europe, which is one of the reasons the Pilgrims came to America. In America, unlike in some other countries, you are free to practice any religion you want.
The Inquisition began in 1231 A.D. for Chrissakes! There were no Inquisitions in America, meaning the United States.
Jeeze man, what is wrong with people like you? Using the standards that took place 800 years ago to make your argument why Christianity is so bad while you sit there fat and happy, looking at the clock so you don't miss your next meal.
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I find interesting this phrase is thrown around despite christianity being originally a jewish sect it is a distinct religion
The concepts of the abolishment of the mosaic law, sin and the human sacrifice, the triune God among other doctrine that are core to christiandom these are all definite abominations according to judaism
Nothing is thrown around. You are just not educated. Judaism is the Father of Christianity.
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imagine a murderer experiences revelation through the Bible and even gets baptized. Will God burn his victims like trash for not being christian?
You'll find out soon enough. And for God's sake, another one that is barely literate. Please proofread your post so I don't have to decipher your horrendous spelling and grammar. You try to present yourself as an educated and informed person but you can barely string together a coherent sentence.
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They won't because they are beta sheep followers. I was raised catholic too. The ultimate hypocrisy.
More so than Islam?
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I don't necessarily dismiss religion completely and finally, I just don't feel any specific religion calling me so far. I was just curious how you feel when you read the OT. I know many Christians struggle with certain things in the bible, the concept of hell and so on. So they don't even try to understand it logically, it must be right because we can't understand God. But then how does a Christian decide which Christian interpretation of the bible is correct, which Christian denomination is the correct one? Is this pope a man of God or does he serve Satan? Do you use logic or is it somehow revealed to you in a mystical way? How was it for you?
Morality seems to change with the times even in the Bible. Thou shalt not kill... exept when God tells you to, so many exemptions as to make this commandment pretty ridiculous, even little children weren't exempt. Adultery was prohibited but you could take the virgins against their will, kill her parents. Muslims say the same thing, it's a religion of peace, killing one man is like killing the whole world according to the Koran. Yeah, but there are exeptions...
You are an exceptional rational thinking person. One of the few on this board. This is a very in-depth topic that you raise and I have to think of a way to answer without writing a book. I will get back to you.
One thing that people need to understand. Whether you believe in God or not, both positions are a matter of faith. I am far more concerned about the existence of God than the varying customs uniques to each culture and religion. Not that it doesn't matter. Because the whole concept of morality depends on the existence of God how a religious person behaves is far more important than what they preach. You can call yourself the religion of peace but if you chop off someone's head for not agreeing with you is a reflection of that religion, unless that religion specifically condemns that act.
When Baruch Goldstein murdered Muslims in Hebron, he was roundly condemned, killed, and the Kach movement led by the Rabbi Meir Kahane, which Goldstein was a follower, was criminalized. When a Palestinian murders Jews their family is rewarded financially and if the murders were particularly gruesome and the body count large, a street will be named after you.
There will always be bad people in any group, society, and country. The measure of their decency is how they react to acts of evil.
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You'll find out soon enough. And for God's sake, another one that is barely literate. Please proofread your post so I don't have to decipher your horrendous spelling and grammar. You try to present yourself as an educated and informed person but you can barely string together a coherent sentence.
Christianity is just another myth thats has fortunately adjusted to secularism in most parts of the world
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The Inquisition began in 1231 A.D. for Chrissakes! There were no Inquisitions in America, meaning the United States.
I'm well aware when and where the inquisition took place I was giving ecamples of acts committed by your church/religion but are you suggesting there were no forced conversion of indigenous people in America?
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I stopped going to the catholic church after the abuse was exposed.... fuck that shit....now, im not a fan the "church" no matter which denomination it may be.... and my faith is stronger than ever.
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Nothing is thrown around. You are just not educated. Judaism is the Father of Christianity.
what is Judaism stance on Christianity?
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what is Judaism stance on Christianity?
How rhetorical of you.
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what is Judaism stance on Christianity?
Jews believe Jesus was a decent guy but not God.
They are still waiting for the Messiah to come.
In the meantime they are making movies in Hollywood.
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Christianity is just another myth thats has fortunately adjusted to secularism in most parts of the world
Then why are you even in this discussion? Like Scott said, just live your life the way you see fit. This subject does not concern you unless you still have some unresolved issues, anger, and resentment that you still need to work out. In that case I would seek a professional.
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I'm well aware when and where the inquisition took place I was giving ecamples of acts committed by your church/religion but are you suggesting there were no forced conversion of indigenous people in America?
I made clear early on that I am talking about modern times. You sound like those Blacks that still bitch about slavery. Are you a BLM supporter?
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what is Judaism stance on Christianity?
I am not a Jew and don't want to speak for them but I would think that a cursory review of the two faiths would reveal some basic and obvious facts. Like capitalizing the first letter of a sentence.
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How rhetorical of you.
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LOL! Spot on! A very shallow thinker.
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Jews believe Jesus was a decent guy but not God.
They are still waiting for the Messiah to come.
In the meantime they are making movies in Hollywood.
LOL! OK, I'll go with that!
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Jews believe Jesus was a decent guy but not God.
They are still waiting for the Messiah to come.
In the meantime they are making movies in Hollywood.
I just sent these words as a text to some of the Jewish side of my family. They're libs but I do love them and they love me. They just don't LIKE me, LOL!
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Jews believe Jesus was a decent guy but not God.
They are still waiting for the Messiah to come.
In the meantime they are making movies in Hollywood.
Jesus along with Muhammad are considered mashugana
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You think God thinks leftists should be burnt?
Nazi
sure... ::)
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
here's the hardline, homie... every single human in this world right now is fallen... hellbound and hopeless.
those who do not accept salvation thru Christ – will find themselves in the lake of fire.
every last one.
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I just sent these words as a text to some of the Jewish side of my family. They're libs but I do love them and they love me. They just don't LIKE me, LOL!
Same here. The love is always there when it comes to family but liking each other is a different issue. One of my relatives is a pain and we don't get along at all and if we weren't family we would have nothing to do with each other. It's safe to say we don't really like each other and just go our separate ways. But we each have each other's back when the chips are down which has been proven on both sides several times in the past.
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Jesus along with Muhammad are considered mashugana
You really are clueless. Just stop already. You are embarrassing yourself. Well, maybe not. You don't seem to have any sense of shame. You're just making us cringe.
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The pope has his fair share of critics and opposition in Church, many times in a form of bishops expressing their disagreement publicly.
He made many statements and claims through his talks and writings which were subjected to hard disapproval of many known bishops, priests,...
But what people fail to realize is that the Church is more than a pope, faith and teachings remain the same.
Sacraments are non-negotiable and needed, teachings and dogmas remain, people choose for themselves in end.
Church consists of all believers on earth, purgatory and heaven, which to an atheist might seem strange to say the least.
It is childish to say that because there are wrong doings in the hierarchy of the Church one can not be part of it.
By that standard there is not a society, country, state in which you could live in because it was and is subjected to the same faults as the Church.
People are what makes it and they can serve good or evil by the judgement of their own free will.
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sure... ::)
here's the hardline, homie... every single human in this world right now is fallen... hellbound and hopeless.
those who do not accept salvation thru Christ – will find themselves in the lake of fire.
every last one.
Ok, sounds like you are saying every unbeliever is as worthless as the next, regardless if it's a communist Jew or just a gentile capitalist atheist or whatever. But you mentioning leftists in particular, which does sound like you think leftism is especially Godless. Do you think Christians today have a heavenly mandate to wage war against communism or leftism or Godlessness or should they stay out of politics and leave the judgement to God? If you think Christians can wage war against say communism, had the Nazis been Christians instead, would it have been okay to round up the the Godless Communist Jews to destroy them if it was done under under the right banner?
So many questions :D
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Ok, sounds like you are saying every unbeliever is as worthless as the next, regardless if it's a communist Jew or just a gentile capitalist atheist or whatever. But you mentioning leftists in particular, which does sound like you think leftism is especially Godless. Do you think Christians today have a heavenly mandate to wage war against communism or leftism or Godlessness or should they stay out of politics and leave the judgement to God? If you think Christians can wage war against say communism, had the Nazis been Christians instead, would it have been okay to round up the the Godless Communist Jews to destroy them if it was done under under the right banner?
So many questions :D
And what about all the other religions and what they believe?
Maybe only Christianity is right? :D
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And what about all the other religions and what they believe?
Maybe only Christianity is right? :D
Yes. But even within Christianity there so many interpretations of doctrine that it must get confusing for most. For a catholic, how is he supposed to know how to relate to this Pope, what does him being the top dog mean for the organization as a whole? Is it totally rotten or just partly? Or maybe God is in fact working through him?
Then you have concepts within Christianity like predestination, whether for or against, it's enough to drive a man insane if he immerses himself in it.
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A lot of confusion arose with the way the last council was handled.
Ecumenism is one of them and probably most dangerous since it deviates people from true faith.
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A lot of confusion arose with the way the last council was handled.
Ecumenism is one of them and probably most dangerous since it deviates people from true faith.
So do you think Pellius made the wrong call when he couldn't stay in that Church in good conscience? I mean some on this thread claim the new pope is a straight up Satanist so it would seem strange if the true faith had this fella as the top guy, no? :D
Wasn't there also some changes made at that council wrt how Jews are to be viewed? I know next to nothing about catholicism but I'm kinda interested in ideas in general :D
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Anyone has the freedom to stay or leave the Church, but reason for leaving being actions or words of one man, even if it is the pope, is short sighted.
If you want to learn about the catholic faith, read the catechism of the catholic church, it is that simple.
Jews are viewed positively of course, they are Gods chosen people, but it is up to them if they want to know Jesus or not in end.
Responsibility of a christian is to share the gospel and faith, but after the council they went on the road of anyone can be saved despite his religion or atheism, which is not true to a so-called "traditional catholic".
Basically you have liberal side and traditional side in Church but despite that, faith does not change even though some do their best and try to reinterpret it in heretical ways. That is nothing new, it is present from the early years of the Church.
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You really are clueless. Just stop already. You are embarrassing yourself. Well, maybe not. You don't seem to have any sense of shame. You're just making us cringe.
the Babylonian talmud addresses jesus he is not described as a decent jew as ironat stated
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sure... ::)
here's the hardline, homie... every single human in this world right now is fallen... hellbound and hopeless.
those who do not accept salvation thru Christ – will find themselves in the lake of fire.
every last one.
it's a good thing none of this is true
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Marriage why not? Why should only we suffer?
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Jews are viewed positively of course, they are Gods chosen people
thats liberal perspective considering the bible suggest christ is the new covenant then there are versus such as these Mathew 27:24-25, revelation 2:9, 3:9
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The view of collective guilt that is transmittable from generation to generation is farthest you can go from Christ.
Fallen state is the default of all humans and salvation is possible through Christ alone, whether you are a Jew or not.
God come on this Earth as a Jewish man and for the salvation of all, not only the Jews.
He is the new covenant, you are right in that but that does not reduce the importance of Jews as the chosen people, even if they fall short in the relation to their true Messiah.
The texts, meanings and faith originates and flows from judaism, christianity is a continuation of it, Jesus himself said he did not come to abolish things but to fulfill them.
Liberal way is that it does not matter if you don`t believe in Jesus, you can be saved through Mercy of God alone, which Jesus is in end, so it is contradictory to itself.
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The view of collective guilt that is transmittable from generation to generation is farthest you can go from Christ.
Fallen state is the default of all humans and salvation is possible through Christ alone, whether you are a Jew or not.
God come on this Earth as a Jewish man and for the salvation of all, not only the Jews.
The texts, meanings and faith originates and flows from judaism, christianity is a continuation of it, Jesus himself said he did not come to abolish things but to fulfill them.
Liberal way is that it does not matter if you don`t believe in Jesus, you can be saved through Mercy of God alone, which Jesus is in end, so it is contradictory to itself.
So, with that said
Will only Christians and Jews be "saved"?
What about Pastafarians, Satanists, Asatro-practicioners (Old Norse), Hellenic Polytheists, Taoists, Hinduists, Buddhists et al?
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So, with that said
Will only Christians and Jews be "saved"?
What about Pastafarians, Satanists, Asatro-practicioners (Old Norse), Hellenic Polytheists, Taoists, Hinduists, Buddhists et al?
Best of answers, probably not. You can not say: "I do not know you" or "I deny you exist", to God and then expect to be with Him in His kingdom for eternity.
Jesus himself said many times he is the only way to the Father and that many will be denied entry to his kingdom.
That is the problem nowadays, few priests and bishops want to speak about the truth or better said, are permitted.
The core of catholic faith and rest of christianity is your personal relationship with God, it starts and ends there.
While you are walking in flesh and blood you have time to accept Him and repent, after that it is game over.
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Best of answers, probably not. You can not say: "I do not know you" or "I deny you exist", to God and then expect to be with Him in his kingdom for eternity.
Jesus himself said many times he is the only way to the Father and that many will be denied entry to his kingdom.
That is the problem nowadays, few priests and bishops want to speak about the truth or better said, are permitted.
The core of catholic faith and rest of christianity is your personal relationship with God, it starts and ends there.
While you are walking in flesh and blood you have time to accept Him and repent, after that it is game over.
But some of them do believe in a God, just in another form, take Odin for example.
Say for example Odin is God and Thor, Tyr, Baldur and the rest are just other names of the Archangels Michael, Gabriel et al
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First commandment says it all, there is no half truth, only the Truth.
To convert means something for a reason, if I say it otherwise I am at blame for anyone who deters from Him, if I painted a pretty picture of all inclusive deal with my words.
There is Gods Mercy and Divine judgement and the latter you don`t want to get a deal of...
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He is the new covenant, you are right in that but that does not reduce the importance of Jews as the chosen people, even if they fall short in the relation to their true Messiah.
the Jews did fall short even though they witnessed Jesus prediction of their temple
The jew is now just like the gentile one either accept Jesus as the Christ or one does not
I speculate that the reason some churches hold this liberal view despite the Bible is considered progressive in its course, churches like the evangical, non-denominational, etc hold this doctrine as a desingenious attempt to convert the Jewish people into Christians though these same denominations believe the chosen people will meet hellfire if they don't change their attitudes during jesus's second round
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I can accept Jesus as the Christ as long as Falcon will be playing Contraband Wilson at the Pearly Gates.
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You sure about that? ;D
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You sure about that? ;D
Best song ever performed! Could listen to that Angelic voice for ages!
Everyone's morningalarm should be this beautiful (and powerful, soulful) song!
Can watch Marty do some boxing here too
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The view of collective guilt that is transmittable from generation to generation is farthest you can go from Christ.
Fallen state is the default of all humans and salvation is possible through Christ alone, whether you are a Jew or not.
I'm just trying to understand this relation of Jews to Christians in Catholicism. It seems to me Jews are blessed in a way even while holding very anti-Christian views. Unlike followers of other religions. I read that before the second council Jews were viewed as sort of cursed to "wander alone" but after they could still be blessed even while holding on to their traditional faith. But the Babylonian Talmud says Christ is boiling in a vat of excrement for all eternity. This book apparently the Catholic Church worked hard to preserve over the centuries.
Observing the Jewish community it seems to me they, as a group, hold Catholicism in particular in extreme contempt.
They completely lost their shit when they heard that Mel Gibson was doing the Christ movie. They condemned the movie in no uncertain terms as antisemitic even before it was released. Do you think Mel made it as an antisemitic statement, was it unfaithful to scripture?
I know collective guilt was a feature in the OT at least. Subsequent generations would pay for the sins of the forefathers. The bible passage the Jews had a major problem with in Mel's movie was this:
"So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying "I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!""
Regarding Jewish hate towards Catholicism, this classic quote from a pornographer comes to mind:
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Goldstein's probably relished recruiting Catholic girls for his porn.
However, lots of Jewish girls do porn too.
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Penn from "Penn and Teller" paid for Goldstein's care, etc.... for a few years before he died. I will say, having seen Goldstein in public a couple of times, he was exactly like his imagine in real life, tremendously cranky, but very funny.
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Goldstein's probably relished recruiting Catholic girls for his porn.
However, lots of Jewish girls do porn too.
He also relished inter racial porn.
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Judaism and Catholicism share a ridiculous "love" for ceremonial foo foo. Trust me on this.
As for Jews and porn? A pervert is a pervert regardless of the faith they have chosen not to obey.
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I'm just trying to understand this relation of Jews to Christians in Catholicism. It seems to me Jews are blessed in a way even while holding very anti-Christian views. Unlike followers of other religions. I read that before the second council Jews were viewed as sort of cursed to "wander alone" but after they could still be blessed even while holding on to their traditional faith. But the Babylonian Talmud says Christ is boiling in a vat of excrement for all eternity. This book apparently the Catholic Church worked hard to preserve over the centuries.
Observing the Jewish community it seems to me they, as a group, hold Catholicism in particular in extreme contempt.
They completely lost their shit when they heard that Mel Gibson was doing the Christ movie. They condemned the movie in no uncertain terms as antisemitic even before it was released. Do you think Mel made it as an antisemitic statement, was it unfaithful to scripture?
I know collective guilt was a feature in the OT at least. Subsequent generations would pay for the sins of the forefathers. The bible passage the Jews had a major problem with in Mel's movie was this:
"So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying "I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!""
Regarding Jewish hate towards Catholicism, this classic quote from a pornographer comes to mind:
The Jews really made a bonehead move when they asked for Jesus crucifixion. They wish they could take that one back. How about a do-over? A Mulligan?
The thing is, Jesus crucifixion was pre-ordained by God. It had to happen to save man. Fate.
God, the master of the universe, He who knows all, allows his only Son to be cruelly tortured and killed to save man, who he created, from original sin: the eating of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge by Adam and Eve.
So, from that standpoint, the Jews were only fulfilling God's will. They had no choice...because the omnipotent God loves man so much he lets his only Son be tortured and killed...because the omnipotent God makes a creature called Man and gives him free will to screw up, which since He's omnipotent and all knowing, knew would happen, but He made this creature anyway, and his Son gets killed which He knew would happen, but he did it anyway which is kind of illogical, but He's God so he does whatever He wants, thank you very much.
Sorry for the run-on sentence.
Now, if you really believe that makes any sense I have a bridge to sell you. Well, He did let the Jews suffer in Egypt all those years so what can you expect from Him/Her (PC in effect).
And you thought Scientology was nuts, which it is, along with Mormonism, which also believes in Space Aliens and some guy finding gold plates in a hill in western NY but nobody ever saw them except him, etc. and an ancient civilization just like the Old Testament except living in America... Right. Hmm...nowadays Space Aliens seems likely.
Now as to Jesus, he was a great guy and the world would be a better place if we all followed his teachings, which even the original Christian religion, the Catholics, only rarely do, because Man is a creature of weakness.
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Now as to Jesus, he was a great guy and the world would be a better place if we all followed his teachings, which even the original Christian religion, the Catholics, only rarely do, because Man is a creature of weakness.
My view is that Jesus' words in the bible are relatively brief. Man built this huge edifice around it and since Jesus refused to answer questions since, on what he really meant by this or that proclamation, man has fought over scripture ever since. My rational brain says the whole thing is completely absurd, and to construct a faith on this requires just that, faith*, not logic. That was part of my questions to Pellius, how much of Christianity requires revealed knowledge as opposed to rational thinking. I mean lots of Christians talk about this sort of white light moment where the truth is revealed to you, often after prayer.
* Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
-Hebrews, 11:1
That's why debating religion, to me, seems to require a whole new language. Debating it logically does not seem to work, which ironically is what I'm doing here lol.
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My view is that Jesus' words in the bible are relatively brief. Man built this huge edifice around it and since Jesus refused to answer questions since, on what he really meant by this or that proclamation, man has fought over scripture ever since. My rational brain says the whole thing is completely absurd, and to construct a faith on this requires just that, faith, not logic. That was part of my questions to Pellius, how much of Christianity requires revealed knowledge as opposed to rational thinking. I mean lots of Christians talk about this sort of white light moment where the truth is revealed to you, often after prayer.
Right, any tough question is answered with "You have to have faith".
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Q: "But, why would God let his only Son, who he loved, be cruelly tortured...it makes no sense."
A: "You have to have faith. God knows what He's doing".
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Wouldn't mind being taken care of by Penn Gillette during my twilight years.
He apparently paid for his flat!
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Right, any tough question is answered with "You have to have faith".
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Q: "But, why would God let his only Son who he loved, be cruelly tortured...it makes no sense."
A: "You have to have faith. God knows what He's doing".
His only son was actually himself in the flesh. The Trinity and all.
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I'm just trying to understand this relation of Jews to Christians in Catholicism. It seems to me Jews are blessed in a way even while holding very anti-Christian views. Unlike followers of other religions. I read that before the second council Jews were viewed as sort of cursed to "wander alone" but after they could still be blessed even while holding on to their traditional faith. But the Babylonian Talmud says Christ is boiling in a vat of excrement for all eternity. This book apparently the Catholic Church worked hard to preserve over the centuries.
Observing the Jewish community it seems to me they, as a group, hold Catholicism in particular in extreme contempt.
They completely lost their shit when they heard that Mel Gibson was doing the Christ movie. They condemned the movie in no uncertain terms as antisemitic even before it was released. Do you think Mel made it as an antisemitic statement, was it unfaithful to scripture?
I know collective guilt was a feature in the OT at least. Subsequent generations would pay for the sins of the forefathers. The bible passage the Jews had a major problem with in Mel's movie was this:
"So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying "I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!""
Regarding Jewish hate towards Catholicism, this classic quote from a pornographer comes to mind:
Good points. Most Christians think the difference between Jewish and Christian beliefs is that the Jews believe in the Old Testament and the Christians believe in the New Testament.
For those that haven't looked into it, the Torah is the first 5 books of Moses which are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
The Tanakh aka the Miqra would be the equivalent of the Old Testament, which includes the Torah within it.
Then, there's the Talmud which usually means the Babylonian Talmud(Tzoah Rotachat is related to the Jesus reference) but there's also the Jerusalem Talmud.
Also, the Kabbalah, Zohar, Lurianic Kabbalah, Gematria.....
Plus, there were messianic movements like Sabbateanism and to a lesser degree Frankism, among others.
On the Christian side, the Scofield Bible aka Scofield Reference Bible or Scofield Study Bible has more recently influenced a lot of evangelical Christians towards Zionism.
Scofield's research and publishing was funded by Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff who were all Jewish.
Also, the modern neo-conservative movement(former Trotsky-ite Irving Kristol started) has equated the support and defense of Israel with American patriotism. There has also been an effective effort having Christians use the term Judeo-Christianity. There is also a Jewish movement(obviously not all Jews) to eventually have Christians(and all non-Jews) denounce their own religions and follow 7 Noahide laws(out of the 600+ which Jews are to follow).
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His only son was actually himself in the flesh. The Trinity and all.
and he still couldn't convince the jews
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and he still couldn't convince the jews
He told them their father was the devil. John 8:44-45 KJV
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I'm just trying to understand this relation of Jews to Christians in Catholicism. It seems to me Jews are blessed in a way even while holding very anti-Christian views.
it's probably an apology for the inquisition and it's association with the Nazi party
The vatican has gone as far to remove the name jehovah from bible, hymns etc just to appease the jews
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His only son was actually himself in the flesh. The Trinity and all.
Still think Lucifer looked better than Jesus
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His only son was actually himself in the flesh. The Trinity and all.
Right. That makes total sense now.
You gotta have faith.
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Speaking in numbers, the percentage of people opposing christianity is much higher from non-Jews than Jews themselves, but that does not mean it is not present in the Jewish culture as well.
But being Jewish does not automatically mean believing in God of Israel as well.
Again, personal relationship with God is crucial, but for that you have to know Him and his Word.
Ignorance is bliss and many times people ignore reading about Him directly, so they go with the words of others.
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Right. That makes total sense now.
You gotta have faith.
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Yes, you are right, strange thing this faith, right? :)
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My wife is a deeply religious Catholic (almost nun-like) and all of the Practicing Catholics I know including my Priest friend thinks he’s whack job.
I'm sure they know better than the Pope about such things.
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Problem is that the first bibles were written 400 years ad. So whose teaching are written in there? Was it Christ’s? Or was it a bunch of guy just winging it writing down stuff that had been passed down massaged and edited for 4 centuries
Thats not really accurate. The New Testament manuscripts are dated as early as 44AD and most written in the 1st century. The official cannonization into the New Testament was certainly 4th century
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Thats not really accurate. The New Testament manuscripts are dated as early as 44AD and most written in the 1st century. The official cannonization into the New Testament was certainly 4th century
Most were written in the first century but not from first hand accounts. Example: Matthew was not written by Matthew but by a disciple of Matthew. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were actually written after the Epistles of Paul.
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The Gospel of Joe Biden was plagiarized.
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anon
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Most were written in the first century but not from first hand accounts. Example: Matthew was not written by Matthew but by a disciple of Matthew. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were actually written after the Epistles of Paul.
I don't argue that point. But the post I was addressing inferred the manuscripts themselves were written in the 4th century and I don't know of a single scholar that claims that
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the only thing dumber than fairy tale religions are the retards who argue about it... please continue
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the only thing dumber than fairy tale religions are the retards who argue about it... please continue
there is the fairy tale portion of it and the historical portion of it. one is pointless to argue, the other is based more on the history of the manuscripts, formation of the bible and the evolving religion itself. I hope this helps
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When I believed I followed no one but the Nazarene. That is The basis of Christianity. It's not Popism. The Pope is just a man who has been placed in charge of the Church. He is supposed to be the heir to Apostle Peter but the truth is he is an air head.
I NEVER believed in the Pope. What for?
As for those like me that have chosen not to believe in a God? Let it go. The teachings of the Nazarene are not harmful to you. Teachings of men such as the profit hoMohammed and Jim Jones, Jim Baker and the latest and biggest false minister, Joel Osteen are to be rebuked and shamed. Those turds and all name it and claim it false ministers out there Are harmful to peope either physically mentally or financially. They are not of God but of themselves. FTN.
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I'm sure they know better than the Pope about such things.
It is not difficult to know better than the Pope about the message of the Nazarene. Even I do. Recall if you care to, that the Pharisees said of the Christ that in essence, just who was the Nazarene to quote scripture as compared to them. He was but the son of a carpenter and they were learned men!
They were as the Pope is: Whited sepulchers.
Your words may well have been serious but I doubt that and so I answered accordingly. With the TRUTH.
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the only thing dumber than fairy tale religions are the retards who argue about it... please continue
You must be one of those smart atheists. ::)
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Vatican now says he didn't mean it. ::) ::)
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/vatican-breaks-silence-explains-pope-francis-civil-union-comments-n1245803
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Vatican now says he didn't mean it. ::) ::)
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/vatican-breaks-silence-explains-pope-francis-civil-union-comments-n1245803
The Pope is a vile creature working against all that the Nazarene stands for.
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The Pope is a vile creature working against all that the Nazarene stands for.
What does The Nazarene stand for? Serious question. If you could distill his message, what would it be?
As a nonbeliever what do you get out of his message? He wasn't God so you discard that schizoid lunatic part, what is left? Kind of a hippie message like John Lennon's Imagine?
Turn the other cheek, throw away your posessions and don't chase riches?
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What does The Nazarene stand for? Serious question. If you could distill his message, what would it be?
As a nonbeliever what do you get out of his message? He wasn't God so you discard that schizoid lunatic part, what is left? Kind of a hippie message like John Lennon's Imagine?
Turn the other cheek, throw away your posessions and don't chase riches?
I'm agnostic. But I was raised in Baptist and Church of the Christ from day 1 until late 20's. Ive read the bible cover to cover which is something most Christians in America can't claim
The Scott and I disagree on most everything but on this we likely agree..
Jesus' most important teaching was love one another as you love God. To go further, a very wise man once said, when you have learned how to love each other, you will have learned how to love God. If you missed that in his teachings, you don't understand his teachings
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Jesus' most important teaching was love one another as you love God. To go further, a very wise man once said, when you have learned how to love each other, you will have learned how to love God. If you missed that in his teachings, you don't understand his teachings
I'm sorry but this is just a meaningless platitude. What does it even mean? People kill out of love. God kills out of love. Christians kill out of love, Muslims kill out of love.
Saying Jesus was just about "love" is just some abstract meaningless hippie shit.
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I'm sorry but this is just a meaningless platitude. What does it even mean? People kill out of love. God kills out of love. Christians kill out of love, Muslims kill out of love.
Saying Jesus was just about "love" is just some abstract meaningless hippie shit.
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I'm sorry but this is just a meaningless platitude. What does it even mean? People kill out of love. God kills out of love. Christians kill out of love, Muslims kill out of love.
Saying Jesus was just about "love" is just some abstract meaningless hippie shit.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.
Sent his own son to death because he loved us so much.
Religion is silly. I've read the Bible cover to cover a few times, studied Christ for 16 years.
It's all shenanigans.
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Matthew 18:20
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Ok, sounds like you are saying every unbeliever is as worthless as the next
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those who do not accept salvation thru Christ – will find themselves in the lake of fire.
every last one.
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What does The Nazarene stand for?
he stands for your redemption... and existed on earth for that purpose.
I'm agnostic.
I'm sorry but this is just a meaningless platitude. What does it even mean?
Matthew 22:36-39
'master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
this is the first and great commandment.
and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.'
it means that once one comprehends the fact that God is real and sin exists... understanding the reality of what they actually are - a filthy, fallen compromised creation of said God... a perma broken disappointment.. and then learns that God loves em to the point of providing a path of salvation – sparing them eternal hellfire - they may grasp that maybe giving their neighbor a break is in line with the way God gave your sorry ass a break, lol - cuz there is nothing to love about yourself.. outside of the saving grace of God.
of course all of this is nonsense to the unbeliever:
man will believe what he wants... and get what he deserves.
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he stands for your redemption... and existed on earth for that purpose.
Matthew 22:36-39
'master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
this is the first and great commandment.
and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.'
it means that once one comprehends the fact that God is real and sin exists... understanding the reality of what they actually are - a filthy, fallen compromised creation of said God... a perma broken disappointment.. and then learns that God loves em to the point of providing a path of salvation – sparing them eternal hellfire - they may grasp that maybe giving their neighbor a break is in line with the way God gave your sorry ass a break, lol - cuz there is nothing to love about yourself.. outside of the saving grace of God.
of course all of this is nonsense to the unbeliever:
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
Have you ever looked into SSPX?
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Have you ever looked into SSPX
Pellius hit the keyword there. Organization. That's when religion went from a belief system to a money-making, power-grabbing conglomerate.
Religion was never meant to be a business on any level. Or maybe it was
Fear. Control. Money.
There should be 13 commandments now.
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Catholics worship man and not God. At least thats my understanding.
That is not my understanding and I was married to a Catholic for almost 52 years. I think I would have notice if that were the case. As with any Christian religion, Jesus and his teachings figure very highly as do those of God. In the name of "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God because three persons exist in God as one entity.
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That is not my understanding and I was married to a Catholic for almost 52 years. I think I would have notice if that were the case. As with any Christian religion, Jesus and his teachings figure very highly as do those of God. In the name of "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God because three persons exist in God as one entity.
You just got excited when you thought that dudes were existing in other dudes. It was metaphorically speaking.
Wasn't some type of Hebrew centipede shit.
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You just got excited when you thought that dudes were existing in other dudes. It was metaphorically speaking.
Wasn't some type of Hebrew centipede shit.
It is a little early in the New Year for you have gone completely berserk. ;)
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Where has the weird, climate commie Pope gone? Never hear about him at all.
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Where has the weird, climate commie Pope gone? Never hear about him at all.
I saw him at the Vatican in September. Seemed ok. Might be having health issues
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My wife is a deeply religious Catholic (almost nun-like) and all of the Practicing Catholics I know including my Priest friend thinks he’s whack job.
Thing is, it's unlikely you or your wife have extensively studied the history of the catholic popes. On the surface they are all roses, but dig deep, and it is a pretty dark place. Murders, covering up all sorts of sexual deviances.. So for any modern day catholic, to dislike this pope, tells me they have purposely not delved into the history... they would be appalled.. or should. PS.My wife is catholic so don't get your shorts in a bunch. She refused so look at any negative history. Now we recently watched on Netflix the Magnificent Medici. It encompasses the history of Florence in the 1400's. Certainly an eye opener for my wife though pretty much what I expected from my research. Bottom line, this pope his head and shoulders above a vast majority of the popes in history. If she's interested in facts..
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We saw the pope at the Vatican this year. Not my thing but my wife who endured catholic schools was a fan. Of all the Popes of my lifetime, in my opinion, he is the one closest to what Christ teaches.
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/europe/pope-francis-same-sex-couples-blessing-intl/index.html
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Whatever your personal feelings are regarding homosexuality, in the Bible it's quite clear what their position is, there's no interpretation or any wiggle room. The Pope is a kook.
With the systemic homosexuality and abuse, despite being born and raised a Catholic, I just couldn't continue on with a clear conscious in that religion. It's too bad, there are a lot of good things and good people in that religion and I miss belonging to an organization with such a long tradition. It's now a primarily Leftist organization and brings with it all the evils of that ideology.
you mean the old testament or also the new testament? Citation welcome
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you mean the old testament or also the new testament? Citation welcome
You know he's dead, right?
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You know he's dead, right?
I wasnt awareof that. We need white stars or somehing for. The members that are PIP :-\