Okay thanks! I had to wait for the tren, thats why I was going to start it in the middle like that. I was wondering, but yeah that sounds better at the end and cutting the deca to lesson sides. Thats some good advice! I guess this is sort of a bulking cycle because its bulking the hell out of me. 5'9 255lbs, feeling heavy and fat. I'm constantly starving and rapidly growing. I had to bump up the cardio with a quickness! I hope the tren burns some fat off me! Whats a good cutting cycle to do next time, like asap? Whats the general minimum post cycle therapy time? Thanks Arnold