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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Conspiracy Theories Board => Topic started by: Donny on April 25, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
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I am not a sci-fi Freak but watched some NASA films from space Encounters...really does make you think when ex Astronauts speak out about it :o
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5201410/Are-UFOs-real-Famous-people-who-believed.html
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I think it is not just possible, but highly probably. Too much out there for it to all be empty of life.
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tell you what look at some of the NASA film stuff... opened on this channel
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as real as ESFitness showing a picture of his top conditioned body! (sweetspot#6)
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I am sceptical as to there existence.
You would have to say with limitless amount of stars and possible planets,
the possibility of other forms of life would be high.
Only with so many ufo sightings, why is it they do not land in a major city in daylight
so it can be seen by all and not denied / covered up by authorities.
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of course their real... an unidentified flying object is just that, an flying object that is unidentified.
now, if your talking about flying saucers... I do know some saucers who base jump and that counts as flying.
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I think it is not just possible, but highly probably. Too much out there for it to all be empty of life.
I agree, was looking at some YouTube stuff on tv and came across this channel(the link) really is convincing. We canīt assume we are alone because too many educated People now come Forward and speak about it. Sure there are lots of hoax films but it does make you think :-\ The aspect on Religion is interesting too when you see the film.
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I am sceptical as to there existence.
You would have to say with limitless amount of stars and possible planets,
the possibility of other forms of life would be high.
Only with so many ufo sightings, why is it they do not land in a major city in daylight
so it can be seen by all and not denied / covered up by authorities.
Maybe they're following the protocol of Star Trek's "Prime Directive" albeit in a Galaxy Quest kind of way? ;D
Who knows?
As for the impact on religion or faith, it matters little to me but I would think it would cause a stir in a great many people. Christians and Muslims would probably label such peoples "demons" (we have plenty of misbehaving humans here to play the role of demon, by the way).
I would prefer to cross that bridge when it's built and not when it just comes to mind. ;D
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I am sceptical as to there existence.
You would have to say with limitless amount of stars and possible planets,
the possibility of other forms of life would be high.
Only with so many ufo sightings, why is it they do not land in a major city in daylight
so it can be seen by all and not denied / covered up by authorities.
There's a theory that they control the slave dimension that is Earth and have put a small percentage of GGews in charge of it...Some believe that some GGews are an off breed of an Alien race...
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U.F.O.
Unidentified Flying Object
So as long as you have not identified the object you see flying it is a UFO.
Hope this helps. :D
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People mainly in the US have been threatened ( or so they Claim about this ) from authorities. i think the US would cover it up because of the Technology aspect and for good reason look at what Putin is doing now. the Nazis were known to have tried some very advanced rocket and...saucer shaped Technology. Where did this idea come from and look at some films about art...also very interesting. why did very early civilizations draw and...write about "angels from the sky"
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Saying you believe in UFOs doesn't imply you believe in Aliens, you just believe that there are flying objects that are not planes, satelites, birds, balloons, helicopters, meteors, fireworks, or any flying thing that we know about. Having personally witnessed UFOs, i believe in their existence, but they can be anything and not just aliens.
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Saying you believe in UFOs doesn't imply you believe in Aliens, you just believe that there are flying objects that are not planes, satelites, birds, balloons, helicopters, meteors, fireworks, or any flying thing that we know about. Having personally witnessed UFOs, i believe in their existence, but they can be anything and not just aliens.
well true... they said they are or were "swamp gas" or "weather Balloons". I personally believe the US has very sophisticated Technology hidden away. this would explain a lot of sightings but i can't believe that we are "alone". Indeed it is now more and more coming to light that there are other planets out there with similar solar Systems to our Earth. Going on Logical assumptions and mathematics.. well you judge for yourself ;D
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I have to find a film from a very well known Physician who talks about travel.. Speed and what is and will be possible. Very solid evidence.
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There seem to be some highly advanced crafts playing their little games with the public.
I highly doubt that most extraterrestrials are flesh and blood type fellows.
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There seem to be some highly advanced crafts playing their little games with the public.
I highly doubt that most extraterrestrials are flesh and blood type fellows.
They are there.. has been documented 100% some believe that in early civilization we are a genetic brother or sister from them...this is why i wrote before that the religious People will take offence, this i hasten to add is not my opinion on this.. merely observations from my neutral opinion.
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Yes they are real, ive seen 3 of the fuckers over Fleet in Hampshire a couple of years back.
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way too many reports 80 procent bullshit 20 procent real
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Well I saw them on a Wednesday night, it was half a week since id consumed any alkyhole or cocaine so I wasn't seeing things.
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The best video on YouTube that proves extraterrestrial life exists:
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Look at some of the NASA film footag.. FFS...tell me they are all space junk or comets. Even Astronauts speaking about , "did you hear that ?, no one will believe us" or "we have had visitors".. this is from educated men who were in Orbit. hallucinations? look at the Films they shot. I think that the Governments will slowly leak the truth and will try to slowly integrate this. It is clear no one can (if this phenomenon is real ) can stop it. Not the US or Russia.. Sightings were in the second world war from pilots ...calling them "Foo Fighters"..by the way a great band.
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its naive to think all of it is bs
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its naive to think all of it is bs
Correct, now i am a very Standard guy but i watched and will find a Video from a German Physicist and he explained some things that i could understand. the man is not a raving lunatic. i know the Military mind very well and high ranking People have come Forward or...in Documents stated, this is real.
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We are monkeys in a universe of inteligent beings.
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We are monkeys in a universe of inteligent beings.
yes
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We are monkeys in a universe of inteligent beings.
I seriously doubt it's that bad. Unless of course you number the Democrats in with the rest of us... ;D
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as real as ESFitness showing a picture of his top conditioned body! (sweetspot#6)
hahahaha wolf are you saying theres a better chance of a UFO landing on my lawn and when the ramp lowers as sasquatch carrying elvis walks out than there is of ever seeing what this purple swollen beast ESFitness claims to be? (unless we see him in one of his many tv commercials, billboards or television roles)
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It's only natural that hyper-intelligent intergalactic wormhole travelers would find us fascinating and want to make mysterious patterns in our corn fields and probe our rectums.
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It's only natural that hyper-intelligent intergalactic wormhole travelers would find us fascinating and want to make mysterious patterns in our corn fields and probe our rectums.
so you do the corn fields ?
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id eat the corn out of her shit
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I seriously doubt it's that bad. Unless of course you number the Democrats in with the rest of us... ;D
Schizzo throws the whole things off
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id eat the corn out of her shit
your Dog ?
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It's only natural that hyper-intelligent intergalactic wormhole travelers would find us fascinating and want to make mysterious patterns in our corn fields and probe our rectums.
this is an amazing way to look at it. i never thought of this before. lol if they are so advanced, why the fuck would they bother with us. good point.
they travel light years in a universe full of mysteries that we cant even fathom probably, to 'study' a race of 'aliens' who among other disturbing things, think the kardashians are newsworthy.
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anyone who says "There are no such things are UFOs" are pretty stupid.
UFO is just something in the sky that the person on the ground can't identify at the moment.
Some UFOs are planes, some choppers, some military stuff, some satellites or weather, some whatever...
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They post on this forum:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=364396.0
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so you do the corn fields ?
No, I do the mashed potato mountain thing on the dinner plate. Tastes great and you don't need any heavy equipment.
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We are monkeys in a universe of inteligent beings.
we are animals in an universe full of dangerous bigger animals. We better hope we disapear before anyone/anything reaches us first.
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we are animals in an universe full of dangerous bigger animals. We better hope we disapear before anyone/anything reaches us first.
I thought you were Mr.Christ.
Did you give that up?
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I thought you were Mr.Christ.
Did you give that up?
whose gimmick are you?
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whose gimmick are you?
This is my only account
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we are animals in an universe full of dangerous bigger animals. We better hope we disapear before anyone/anything reaches us first.
There's plenty of turds on this rock to worry about. Man's inhumanity to man is well documented. So far all the "documented" instances of alien abduction indicate that all they seem to want to do so is anally probe a few folks. I figure we give 'em San Francisco and the Folsom Street Fair and the rest of the world is safe.
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i used to work till 2 -3 in the morning driving home i seen all kind of shit in the sky ufos, other space garbage floating around some of it exploding. i thought i saw bigfoot once.
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we are animals in an universe full of dangerous bigger animals. We better hope we disapear before anyone/anything reaches us first.
Also true. :'(
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13 November 2007
Every year thousands of people say they have seen UFOs in the United States and their claims are usually met with scepticism.
But this panel of former military, government and aviation personnel from countries around the world has urged the US government to take such claims seriously.
The group say the apparent sightings of hovering orbs, glowing lights and high-speed spacecraft are a national security concern and should no longer be dismissed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091922.stm
18 December 2007
Japan's chief government spokesman has announced that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) exist. He said work should begin urgently to try to confirm whether or not they exist because of what he called "incessant" reports of sightings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7150156.stm
March 1, 2008
French Expert Publicly Emerges to Confirm Secret United Nations Meeting on UFO's
http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_michael__080229_french_expert_public.htm
4 March 2008
Confidential Ministry of Defence files on Unidentified Flying Objects are set to be made public. Hundreds of documented sightings of UFOs across the UK will be released by the MoD to the National Archive in the coming weeks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/7275649.stm
April 6, 2008
Exopolitics Toronto, one of Canada's leading UFO research organizations, has taken dramatic and substantive political action to end the UFO cover-up. Each member of the Canadian Parliament has been provided with a copy of the full length feature film documentary ''Fastwalkers Congressional Update'' DVD, labeled "Top Secret". For the first time in Canadian history, elected officials will be able to personally view documented evidence that, when investigated by Parliament, will pave the way for a serious examination of the UFO matter.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/04/17/02339.html
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"Jacques F. Vallée, Ph.D., (September 24, 1939) is a French-born venture capitalist, computer scientist, ufologist and former astronomer, currently residing in San Francisco, United States."
"Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.
Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée cannot say who or what is behind this scheme, only that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of psychotronic technology.
It is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFO's is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee#UFO_research_and_academic_work
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Seen some crazy shit in my 74 years. All unidentified so that part is settled. 1952 saw what looked like a high flying jet going real fast. Suddenly it reversed in a 180 and booked out of site. My dad watched with me. Just last summer I witnessed one of these same 180s here in the mountains of Arizona. Around 1965 I saw with 4 others a large silver disc with bright lights drifting over the Los Angeles Harbor Freeway near USC campus. It suddenly went straight up and gone. The following day the L.A. Times reported that several in bound airline pilots also saw this as did the LAX tower. This LAX tower scene was the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 1971 I was sailing from L.A. to Catalina Island at midnight in fog, no moonlight. 4 of us saw three 100 yards across glowing green circles underwater ahead. We sailed right over them and our boat glowed green. What ever they were down there they were huge and bright. As we sailed on past we looked back and it took 10 min for the now distant glow in the sea to disappear.
WTF?
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Seen some crazy shit in my 74 years. All unidentified so that part is settled. 1952 saw what looked like a high flying jet going real fast. Suddenly it reversed in a 180 and booked out of site. My dad watched with me. Just last summer I witnessed one of these same 180s here in the mountains of Arizona. Around 1965 I saw with 4 others a large silver disc with bright lights drifting over the Los Angeles Harbor Freeway near USC campus. It suddenly went straight up and gone. The following day the L.A. Times reported that several in bound airline pilots also saw this as did the LAX tower. This LAX tower scene was the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 1971 I was sailing from L.A. to Catalina Island at midnight in fog, no moonlight. 4 of us saw three 100 yards across glowing green circles underwater ahead. We sailed right over them and our boat glowed green. What ever they were down there they were huge and bright. As we sailed on past we looked back and it took 10 min for the now distant glow in the sea to disappear.
WTF?
Interesting - many sources state that UFO's can be seen near water which seems to be used as a quick route to enter/leave or refill the craft.
Bill Cooper stated that his inquiries began when he saw a huge UFO emrge from the sea during his time in the navy.
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Interesting - many sources state that UFO's can be seen near water which seems to be used as a quick route to enter/leave or refill the craft.
Bill Cooper stated that his inquiries began when he saw a huge UFO emrge from the sea during his time in the navy.
They want our most valuable resource: Water. Didn't you see V?
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Bearing in mind a UFO is simply an unidentified object then yes of course they exist.
Anytime you see something you cant identify its unidentified.
Now as for little green men...thats another question altogether.
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Seen some crazy shit in my 74 years. All unidentified so that part is settled. 1952 saw what looked like a high flying jet going real fast. Suddenly it reversed in a 180 and booked out of site. My dad watched with me. Just last summer I witnessed one of these same 180s here in the mountains of Arizona. Around 1965 I saw with 4 others a large silver disc with bright lights drifting over the Los Angeles Harbor Freeway near USC campus. It suddenly went straight up and gone. The following day the L.A. Times reported that several in bound airline pilots also saw this as did the LAX tower. This LAX tower scene was the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 1971 I was sailing from L.A. to Catalina Island at midnight in fog, no moonlight. 4 of us saw three 100 yards across glowing green circles underwater ahead. We sailed right over them and our boat glowed green. What ever they were down there they were huge and bright. As we sailed on past we looked back and it took 10 min for the now distant glow in the sea to disappear.
WTF?
I have heard of similar reports in the Catalina Channel. There are a lot of strange things that go on out there.
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They want our most valuable resource: Water. Didn't you see V?
No.
I remember as a kid that during the VHS era it was supposed to be a huge hit. Guess Mr. Icke rented most of the tapes.
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There are already, aliens living amongst us, just go to the female bodybuilding section of GB, they are not from this world!!
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UFO reports and sightings seemed to be much more common deacades ago.
Now that nearly everyone carries around a portable camera in their phone, you would think there would be an increase in UFO sightings and footage?
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UFO reports and sightings seemed to be much more common deacades ago.
Now that nearly everyone carries around a portable camera in their phone, you would think there would be an increase in UFO sightings and footage?
LOL good post
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There are already, aliens living amongst us, just go to the female bodybuilding section of GB, they are not from this world!!
true. they're out of this world. hotter than any female this planet has to offer. Flag nor Vial.
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Saying you believe in UFOs doesn't imply you believe in Aliens, you just believe that there are flying objects that are not planes, satelites, birds, balloons, helicopters, meteors, fireworks, or any flying thing that we know about. Having personally witnessed UFOs, i believe in their existence, but they can be anything and not just aliens.
Then what is navigating them
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It's only natural that hyper-intelligent intergalactic wormhole travelers would find us fascinating and want to make mysterious patterns in our corn fields and probe our rectums.
Do you think that they are really intergalactic schmoes who haven't discovered the shredded glutes of bbing?
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Alien life (math wise) has to exist. There are simply too many solar systems containing endless planets.
They have technically already found the existence of micro organisms.
So life already has existed on other planets.
Meteors containing foreign organisms might have been the cause of some of the earths deadliest viruses.
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Wes, you were around for the original War of the Worlds radio broadcast. Did you fear for your life, or were you you ready to show those aliens a most muscular?
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;D
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Yes I've seen one. Serious post.
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Yes, lots of unidentified sightings. Is there any solid evidence of aliens or spaceships? None, zero, nada! SETI has found nothing. Nothing, zero = no evidence of anyone out there.
A lot of the so called UFOs are not objects but moving lights. There is no evidence of objects. No clear photos, nothing solid.
Yes, the universe is huge and vast. Life probably exists somewhere and perhaps in lots of places. Will there be contact? Who knows? So far we have not been visited. Distances are vast.
Consider that the nearest star is some 3 light years away. Stars with earth like planets are much further away.
Just a guess but I think the conditions for life are extremely rare so we probably won't find intelligent life in our galaxy. Of course there are billions of stars in our galaxy so who knows?
Just remember, believing something doesn't make it true. I think too many believe all manner of nonsense. If we have been visited by aliens and the government has a spaceship then
that news would be the biggest news ever....bigger than Christ coming out of his tomb. We would have heard something concrete by now but so far there is no hard evidence = no aliens or spaceships.
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I am not a sci-fi Freak but watched some NASA films from space Encounters...really does make you think when ex Astronauts speak out about it :o
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5201410/Are-UFOs-real-Famous-people-who-believed.html
I don't know, but I've started to re-watch the X-Files recently. I'm half-way through the 3rd season. It's hands down one of the best shows ever made.
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I don't know, but I've started to re-watch the X-Files recently. I'm half-way through the 3rd season. It's hands down one of the best shows ever made.
Yeah, I watched all nine seasons this year. It was good until they changed the shooting location from Vancouver to Los Angeles. So I guess the first five seasons are worth watching.
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UFO reports and sightings seemed to be much more common deacades ago.
Now that nearly everyone carries around a portable camera in their phone, you would think there would be an increase in UFO sightings and footage?
True...However take your phone and video tape a high flying plane and it won't come out too clear. Or anything moving extremely fast...And anything a night won't come out to good either...
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Better question.
Is there other life in the Universe? It's extremely likely.
Have any visited us? Almost certainly not.
Physics/Distance
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A legit Alien craft could land on your front lawn and 100 people could videotape it and it would get debunked within 24 hours...Hell you could talk to an Alien in your driveway and have it on tape crystal clear and 85% of the internet viewing it would think it's bogus...
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I'm sure the government has plenty of very good film and photos
My brother in law who is retired from the air force believes that disclosure in will happen but I doubt it ever will
There is no benefit at all and a huge downside to disclosing anything. I'll trust the word of astronauts, pilots, military,etc.. who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by going public.
Gordon Cooper talks about filming them while in the military
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;D
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itīs amazing how some of These People speak about it...
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They know it will come one Day, Reagen knew and spoke about it....
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Dude, remove the "s" from the https:// so we can see the youtube link.
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:)
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Still to thick to embed properly! 8)
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Still to thick to embed properly! 8)
can embed your Wife Mate.... :-*
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She aint my wife anymore, in fact she just had a kid with her new geezer last week. I got a new bi-yatch on the go!
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She aint my wife anymore, in fact she just had a kid with her new geezer last week. I got a new bi-yatch on the go!
mate believe it or not i feel sorry for you. if you got new pussy then good for you.
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yeah that's highdef and photoshop proof.
Can we please just get a good photo?
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:o
http://paranoidnews.org/2011/05/impressive-leaked-ufo-and-gray-alien-footage-is-it-real-this-time-or-just-another-hoax/
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Those are even more grainier.
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I never believed in flying saucers.
Until I tripped a waitress.
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I never believed in flying saucers.
Until I tripped a waitress.
Did you write neegar on the reciept?
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Did you write neegar on the reciept?
"receipt" lol
I'm a Getbigger. My meal was comped.
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Today scientists who "debunk" the UFO phenomenon canīt explain These ancient cave drawings. think of the so called "Grey Alien" and look at the Pictures. now i am no fucking space Cadet...but i do think after looking into this there is something going on..has been for a Long time.
http://www.realalienpictures.net/ancient_cave_art.html
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If extraterrestrials are visiting the earth we would never know it. Any advanced civilization with the technology to transverse the vast expanses of space would easily be able to hide from detection.
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If extraterrestrials are visiting the earth we would never know it. Any advanced civilization with the technology to transverse the vast expanses of space would easily be able to hide from detection.
I think it will come out one Day and then watch a lot of Religion crumble. These Cave paintings are proved to be original. Seen some other Documentary's where they Show old Pictures which look astoundingly like "Grey Aliens". Too many Educated People have come Forward.. FFS, the NASA films Show it. NASA know it is real.. the US Air Force Academy even spoke about this in a Training Manuel then denied it when it came out.
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Today scientists who "debunk" the UFO phenomenon canīt explain These ancient cave drawings. think of the so called "Grey Alien" and look at the Pictures. now i am no fucking space Cadet...but i do think after looking into this there is something going on..has been for a Long time.
http://www.realalienpictures.net/ancient_cave_art.html
ancient drawings are even grainier than those clips which are grainier then those photos.
Read Graham Hancocks book: "Supernatural"
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ancient drawings are even grainier than those clips which are grainier then those photos.
Read Graham Hancocks book: "Supernatural"
so what is your opinion?
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so what is your opinion?
Don't really have one. Haven't done other research outside that book and i read it about 5 years ago. Even now modern society is still prone to super natural explanations to science phenomena.
I believe there is life on other planets. I believe in the possibility that we have been visited but i don't believe there is any concrete proof.
Have you read the book?
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If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
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i mean we just evolved from micro organisms? we just appeared? look at Evolution. how Long did it take us to reach now...not really that Long. so the theory that we just grew from micro biology or such is just BS.
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i mean we just evolved from micro organisms? we just appeared? look at Evolution. how Long did it take us to reach now...not really that Long. so the theory that we just grew from micro biology or such is just BS.
I believe we repeatedly destroy ourselves through the acceptance of greed, unable to realize our potential.
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If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
Probably not. the whole earth would have to turn into a ball of molten lava to destroy all traces of a civilization that had the technology to go into space.
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i mean we just evolved from micro organisms? we just appeared? look at Evolution. how Long did it take us to reach now...not really that Long. so the theory that we just grew from micro biology or such is just BS.
That's lots of assumption. How long is "really not that long"?
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That's lots of assumption. How long is "really not that long"?
well look at the cave paintings, how Long? how Long is a Piece of string? but one Thing is real These paintings. The Bible is real in that it depicts Events that did happen.. only the People interpreted it diffrent.."Angels from the sky".
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well look at the cave paintings, how Long? how Long is a Piece of string? but one Thing is real These paintings. The Bible is real in that it depicts Events that did happen.. only the People interpreted it diffrent.."Angels from the sky".
I wasn't asking you about cave paintings and when they were painted.
You just, if i understand you right, suggested that evolution from micro organism to humans happened in too short of a time:
i mean we just evolved from micro organisms? we just appeared? look at Evolution. how Long did it take us to reach now...not really that Long. so the theory that we just grew from micro biology or such is just BS.
so again:
How long is "really not that long"?
PS: Please try and answer the question based on YOUR assertion without jumping to another topic. It makes you look like you are trying to avoid it because maybe it was an assertion based on ignorance. So i want to give you the benefit of the doubt by asking you about it.
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Human beings have vivid imaginations and are creators by nature. Nothing indicates that these cave drawings are anything other than an example of that creativity. I could draw a women with eight boobs but that doesnt mean she exists. We dont know what the cave painters were thinking when they made the cave paintings.
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Human beings have vivid imaginations and are creators by nature. Nothing indicates that these cave drawings are anything other than an example of that creativity. I could draw a women with eight boobs but that doesnt mean she exists. We dont know what the cave painters were thinking when they made the cave paintings.
OK just your opinion.
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OK just your opinion.
Do you know exactly what was going through the mind of the people who made those cave paintings? Do you know their intent? The entire premise of your argument is these paintings are of extraterrestrials.
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Do you know exactly what was going through the mind of the people who made those cave paintings? Do you know their intent? The entire premise of your argument is these paintings are of extraterrestrials.
no but man drew them.
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I wasn't asking you about cave paintings and when they were painted.
You just, if i understand you right, suggested that evolution from micro organism to humans happened in too short of a time:
so again:
How long is "really not that long"?
PS: Please try and answer the question based on YOUR assertion without jumping to another topic. It makes you look like you are trying to avoid it because maybe it was an assertion based on ignorance. So i want to give you the benefit of the doubt by asking you about it.
Bump for Donny. ;D
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Probably not. the whole earth would have to turn into a ball of molten lava to destroy all traces of a civilization that had the technology to go into space.
Is it because you'd expect to see widespread evidence of past advanced technology (if past earth-to-space activity had occurred)?
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Is it because you'd expect to see widespread evidence of past advanced technology (if past earth-to-space activity had occurred)?
How do you think it would have occurred without composite materials?
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How do you think it would have occurred without composite materials?
I don't necessarily think that it would or could (or wouldn't or couldn't) have, at all. No way for me to extend myself that far, and no way for me to assume that we could rely on recognizing potential evidence after unknown spans of time.
If such people existed, then was everyone on our planet similar in development? Or was it a closed society making use of resources only for themselves? Had they perhaps been in contact with others who'd lived here even earlier, before their own journey into space? Did they have space-developed technology that we (our current selves, today) couldn't begin to conceive of?
It becomes very difficult to make assumptions without tripping yourself up.
What do you think?
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I think Roswell was real... too much is coming out now. This is also interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12
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I don't necessarily think that it would or could (or wouldn't or couldn't) have, at all. No way for me to extend myself that far, and no way for me to assume that we could rely on recognizing potential evidence after unknown spans of time.
If such people existed, then was everyone on our planet similar in development? Or was it a closed society making use of resources only for themselves? Had they perhaps been in contact with others who'd lived here even earlier, before their own journey into space? Did they have space-developed technology that we (our current selves, today) couldn't begin to conceive of?
It becomes very difficult to make assumptions without tripping yourself up.
What do you think?
It's pretty simple, a civilization would have to use, at the very least, composite materials to get into space. Don't see any other way around it. That would leave massive amounts of stuff over the course of years it would take to developers to that point. Simple logic.
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It's pretty simple, a civilization would have to use, at the very least, composite materials to get into space. Don't see any other way around it. That would leave massive amounts of stuff over the course of years it would take to developers to that point. Simple logic.
Over what range of distance do you suppose a person might expect to see/recognize evidence, and for how long?
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If aliens have the tech to travel through space, then they would have the tech to avoid radar.
As someone said earlier, if they have the ability to travel to the earth, then they most certainly have the tech to avoid human contact.
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8)
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Over what range of distance do you suppose a person might expect to see/recognize evidence, and for how long?
Do you know anything about archaeology?
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Do you know anything about archaeology?
I know that archeologists probably ask themselves those exact questions frequently, as they're trying to make sense of their ideas.
Would you disagree?
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I know that archeologists probably ask themselves those exact questions frequently, as they're trying to make sense of their ideas.
Would you disagree?
Where is the evidence?
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the time is coming Children...
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I know that archeologists probably ask themselves those exact questions frequently, as they're trying to make sense of their ideas.
Would you disagree?
Do you know anything about archeology?
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Do you know anything about archeology?
Please explain to me as an archeologist would, then:
I want to know why, while subjected to time and space, such questions wouldn't be the very first asked by a so-inclined person, when considering whether our past selves have gone into space.
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Where is the evidence?
...for...?
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Please explain to me as an archeologist would, then:
I still got to ask you same question:
do you anything about archaeology?
i should also ask you:
Do you what composite materials are?
I want to know why, while subjected to time and space, such questions wouldn't be the very first asked by a so-inclined person, when considering whether our past selves have gone into space.
This suggests you don't know either and instead are speaking out of your ass.
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Please explain to me as an archeologist would, then:
I want to know why, while subjected to time and space, such questions wouldn't be the very first asked by a so-inclined person, when considering whether our past selves have gone into space.
You're basing your opinion on concepts you've provided no evidence for, past lives for example.
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This suggests you don't know either and instead are speaking out of your ass.
Neither of us can say, OzmO. Yes! That's the whole point.
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You're basing your opinion on concepts you've provided no evidence for, past lives for example.
'Past lives'? Please clarify what you mean to say.
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Please explain to me as an archeologist would, then:
I want to know why, while subjected to time and space, such questions wouldn't be the very first asked by a so-inclined person, when considering whether our past selves have gone into space.
Clarify this?
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Clarify this?
Meaning a person that would be so-inclined to ask such questions, as he or she has not ruled out a possibility that humans inhabited the earth in times unrecognized by history.
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...nothing due to reincarnation, necessarily, if that's what you're somehow getting at.
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Meaning a person that would be so-inclined to ask such questions, as he or she has not ruled out a possibility that humans inhabited the earth in times unrecognized by history.
Whats your proof for such a possibility?
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Whats your proof for such a possibility?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
No it doesnt. Your logic is extremely flawed. Youve committed the argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance) fallacy.
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Neither of us can say, OzmO. Yes! That's the whole point.
Neither of us can say we don't know some things about archeology?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I will try again:
Do you know.anything about archeology?
Do you know what composite materials are?
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No it doesnt. Your logic is extremely flawed. Youve committed the argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance) fallacy.
He does this all time. I first thought he was just trolling.
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No it doesnt. Your logic is extremely flawed. Youve committed the argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance) fallacy.
How so? (please apply it directly to the subject)
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Neither of us can say we don't know some things about archeology?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I will try again:
Do you know.anything about archeology?
Do you know what composite materials are?
Neither of us knows whether others from another time have left earth, OzmO. The very point you decided to challenge then abandon, practically all in a single post.
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Neither of us knows whether others from another time have left earth, OzmO. The very point you decided to challenge then abandon, practically all in a single post.
Ahh no.
Do you know anything about archeology?
Do you know what composite materials are?
Based on your consistant flawed logic the answer is obviously no. Unless you believe people found a way get into space using only wood and stone lol.
Once again you have been talking straight out of your ass.
You should get out more. Try taking a flight across the country. Ask yourself how it could be done with out composite materials. While In flight read a book about how the archeological process works.
Then maybe you won't have to look like retard covering your ignorance with flawed logic word games all the time.
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Ahh no.
So when you say this:
Probably not. the whole earth would have to turn into a ball of molten lava to destroy all traces of a civilization that had the technology to go into space.
Have you changed your opinion in the past day, or...?
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You're behaving like a flake, OzmO.
I want you to use archeology if you'd like, use the matter of composite material if you'd like, and state your case.
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So when you say this:
Have you changed your opinion in the past day, or...?
No. Still have reading comprehension problems?
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Get your story straight, and I'll catch you soon.
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You're behaving like a flake, OzmO.
I want you to use archeology if you'd like, use the matter of composite material if you'd like, and state your case.
I already have. Learn to read.
The ball is in your court it has been for a couple pages now.
Have you been reading the last few pages? Have you been keeping up?
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Get your story straight, and I'll catch you soon.
Lol Learn to read.
The ball is in your court it has been for a couple pages now.
Have you been reading the last few pages? Have you been keeping up?
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Lol Learn to read.
The ball is in your court it has been for a couple pages now.
Have you been reading the last few pages? Have you been keeping up?
ozmO.. or what ever you call yourself, take a break OK. all i read is you trying to "debunk" everything on here. unless you come over with fair comments fucking can it. we see you are a MOD ::) and your Job is not to act like a child on here.. go Play with your rattle cry Baby.
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How so?
Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? Can you define it? Would you ask the question "how so" if you did?
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ozmO.. or what ever you call yourself, take a break OK. all i read is you trying to "debunk" everything on here. unless you come over with fair comments fucking can it. we see you are a MOD ::) and your Job is not to act like a child on here.. go Play with your rattle cry Baby.
When OzmO gets mad, he acts like a girl in a fit. ;D
Sometimes I think he's just doing it for entertainment.
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Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? Can you define it? Would you ask the question "how so" if you did?
If I was suggesting the possibility of several conjoined gorillas freely roaming midtown, for instance, your argument may apply.
You understand this, right?
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ozmO.. or what ever you call yourself, take a break OK. all i read is you trying to "debunk" everything on here. unless you come over with fair comments fucking can it. we see you are a MOD ::) and your Job is not to act like a child on here.. go Play with your rattle cry Baby.
No Donny, just asking some questions, asking peeps to back up some of their assertions, like you for instance who asserts evolution happened in to short a time but runs away when asked about it.
Is that what you do Donny? Make claims acting like you know something but can't elaborate and instead run?
I am with you, I think we have been visited, but there isn't a whole lot of proof is there? Except grainy photos and laughable vids.
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When OzmO gets mad, he acts like a girl in a fit. ;D
Sometimes I think he's just doing it for entertainment.
Donny seems to be just like you. Runs away from questions. Next he will be displaying flawed logic and poor reading comprehension.
Still haven't seen too many CT'ers or people who believe in UFO's who can make a good argument. :(
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No Donny, just asking some questions, asking peeps to back up some of their assertions, like you for instance who asserts evolution happened in to short a time but runs away when asked about it.
Is that what you do Donny? Make claims acting like you know something but can't elaborate and I instead run?
I am with you, I think we have been visited, but there isn't a whole lot of proof is there? Except grainy photos and laughable vids.
So perhaps you'd like to explain your belief, then.
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So perhaps you'd like to explain your belief, then.
Already have.
Have you not been following the thread for the last few pages?
Have you been keeping up?
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Donny seems to be just like you. Runs away from questions. Next he will be displaying flawed logic and poor reading comprehension.
Still haven't seen too many CT'ers or people who believe in UFO's who can make a good argument. :(
Do you include yourself in this? Because I think you've managed to play all sides in this thread, and your position has become very unclear.
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Do you include yourself in this? Because I think you've managed to play all sides in this thread, and your position has become very unclear.
You haven't made a good argument on this thread. I don't recall you ever making a good argument on any thread.
My position is very clear.
Have you been keeping up? Have you been reading the last few pages of tHe thread?
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Fact is, all possibilities are open with respect to the subject. None of us can say otherwise, we can only tilt. So if we'll kindly acknowledge that, there will be an agreement.
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Fact is, all possibilities are open with respect to the subject. None of us can say otherwise, we can only tilt. So if we'll kindly acknowledge that, there will be an agreement.
Nope.
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading last few pages of the thread?
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You haven't made a good argument on this thread. I don't recall you ever making a good argument on any thread.
My position is very clear.
Have you been keeping up? Have you been reading the last few pages of tHe thread?
You're free to quote anything I've said, anywhere, and make a challenge. That's why the forum exists.
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If I was suggesting the possibility of several conjoined gorillas freely roaming midtown, for instance, your argument may apply.
You understand this, right?
Do you know the answers to the question I asked? How does your statement differ from your example?
Fact is, all possibilities are open with respect to the subject. None of us can say otherwise, we can only tilt. So if we'll kindly acknowledge that, there will be an agreement.
Do you know the difference betweem facts and opinion and how they differ? Do you know how facts are defined and derived?
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Do you know the answers to the question I asked? How does your statement differ from your example?
Do you know the difference betweem facts and opinion and how they differ? Do you know how facts are defined and derived?
If you would be so kind to apply this to the subject, it would be very helpful.
(btw: what the hell are you doing up around the clock?)
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If you would be so kind to apply this to the subject, it would be very helpful.
(btw: what the hell are you doing up around the clock?)
Do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? How are facts defined and derived. Do you know what speculation and conjecture are?
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Do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? How are facts defined and derived. Do you know what speculation and conjecture are?
All this, without a single mention of how it applies to our subject.
Any particular reason for that?
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You're free to quote anything I've said, anywhere, and make a challenge. That's why the forum exists.
That's what i have been doing. You continue to craft poor arguments.
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread?
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All this, without a single mention of how it applies to our subject.
Any particular reason for that?
Are you able to do as I asked. Can you see how its relevent to the discussion? Should you reexamine your statements? Do you need time to do so?
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That's what i have been doing. You continue to craft poor arguments.
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread?
You can't admit when you don't have the answers. That's your problem.
So instead, you'll try to drown the thread with meaningless posts.
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Are you able to do as I asked. Can you see how its relevent to the discussion? Should you reexamine your statements? Do you need time to do so?
The subject (of the intended discussion, at least) isn't preposterous, so you will have to explain yourself to be understood, yes.
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You can't admit when you don't have the answers. That's your problem.
So instead, you'll try to drown the thread with meaningless posts.
I don't have what answers?
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread? I am starting to think "NO"
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The subject (of the intended discussion, at least) isn't preposterous, so you will have to explain yourself to be understood, yes.
Another example of Jack's poor reading comprehension.
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I don't have what answers?
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread? I am starting to think "NO"
You don't have the answers to anything on this topic, as you are not a superhuman, and the sooner you can admit that, the closer we'll be to an agreement.
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The subject (of the intended discussion, at least) isn't preposterous, so you will have to explain yourself to be understood, yes.
Can you explain yourself?
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You don't have the answers to anything on this topic, as you are not a superhuman, and the sooner you can admit that, the closer we'll be to an agreement.
I have answered on this topic..
More proof of Jack's poor reading comprehension.
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread?
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I have answered on this topic..
More proof of Jack's poor reading comprehension.
Have you been keeping up?
Have you been reading the last few pages of the thread?
Are you a chick, OzmO? (serious question)
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Are you a chick, OzmO? Serious question.
::)
Another example of Jacks poor reading comprehension
got to go for a while. NSA meeting ;)
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Can you explain yourself?
OK, I'll give this one last attempt, in case your intentions are honest.
You are relying on a subject to be truly absurd, if you hope to use your "ignorance" argument. Something that thoroughly counters all believability, in other words. Do you feel the subject does that?
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::)
Another example of Jacks poor reading comprehension
got to go for a while. NSA meeting ;)
Do you claim to be in the NSA, now, Oz?
:D
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OK, I'll give this one last attempt, in case your intentions are honest.
You are relying on a subject to be truly absurd, if you hope to use your "ignorance" argument. Something that thoroughly counters all believability, in other words. Do you feel the subject does that?
How is this relevent to your post that I was responding directly to? Do you remember what post that was? How am I relying on a subject to be absurd?
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How is this relevent to your post that I was responding directly to? Do you remember what post that was? How am I relying on a subject to be absurd?
We can solve this very quickly, Archer. Do you feel I've made any claim that is preposterous? If yes, please quote it.
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We can solve this very quickly, Archer. Do you feel I've made any claim that is preposterous? If yes, please quote it.
What is your evidence for your claims?
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What is your evidence for your claims?
Now that you've backed yourself into a corner, Archer, it would probably be a good time to reintroduce yourself to sleep.
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Now that you've backed yourself into a corner, Archer, it would probably be a good time to reintroduce yourself to sleep.
Can you expand on your claims and explain them more concisely?
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Can you expand on your claims and explain them more concisely?
My only claim is that we don't know. Simple, for such an apparently controversial claim, isn't it?
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My only claim is that we don't know. Simple, for such an apparently controversial claim, isn't it?
Are you sure that was your claim?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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Are you sure that was your claim?
Yes, and that's the nature of possibility, isn't it?
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Yes, and that's the nature of possibility, isn't it?
Are you sure of that?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
What is the definition and nature of possibility? Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
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Are you sure of that?
What is the definition and nature of possibility? Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
So are we arguing whether packs of conjoined gorillas are possibly roaming midtown, or..?
You need to apply your argument directly to the subject, or it will not make sense.
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So are we arguing whether packs of conjoined gorillas are roaming midtown, or..?
You need to apply your argument directly to the subject, or it will not make sense.
Did I ever mention gorillas? Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
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Expand on this? How is this logical?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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Expand on this? How is this logical?
Maybe this will help you understand, Archer:
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility (IN THIS CASE), doesn't it?
How's that?
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...by the way, for future reference, seeing something like "...such a possibility", should clue you in that it isn't an all-inclusive statement.
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Maybe this will help you understand, Archer:
How's that?
Are you sure a slight modification renders the statement logical and true? What's the difference between the two? Where is the evidence that in this particulat case such a possibility is more possible than another or that it is possible at all? What sets the possible apart from the impossible in this instance? You need something to set the two apart like evidence that one has more validity than another. How did you decide that was true?
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Are you sure a slight modification renders the statement logical and true? What's the difference between the two? Where is the evidence that in this particulat case such a possibility is more possible than another or that it is possible at all? What sets the possible apart from the impossible in this instance? You need something to set the two apart like evidence that one has more validity than another. How did you decide that was true?
Is it? Please tell me.
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Is it? Please tell me.
You said it was possible in this case. Why do you think that? How did you come to that decision? How does a lack of evidence lead one to the conclusion that the the subject of which has no evidence is possible?
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You said it was possible in this case. Why do you think that? How did you come to that decision? How does a lack of evidence lead one to the conclusion that the the subject of which has no evidence is possible?
Because the anchoring questions are whether people have shown an otherwise-incredible ability to pursue scientific problems (we have); whether we could leave earth (we can, and have); whether technology advances exponentially when given the chance (it does).
For these reasons and more, it can be called a possibility, and comfortably so.
Does that help?
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Science knows we have been visited from at least 4 alien types
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Because the anchoring questions are whether people have shown an otherwise-incredible ability to pursue scientific problems (we have); whether we could leave earth (we can, and have); whether technology advances exponentially when given the chance (it does).
For these reasons and more, it can be called a possibility, and comfortably so.
Does that help?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility (IN THIS CASE), doesn't it?
How does the lack of conclusive proof to the contrary make such a thing possible? The absense of evidence is not evidence. Should you research an argument from ignorance?
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How does the lack of conclusive proof to the contrary make such a thing possible? The absense of evidence is not evidence. Should you research an argument from ignorance?
It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.
Right?
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It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.
Right?
How does that prove something is possible, as you claim it does in this case? Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
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How does that prove something is possible, as you claim it does in this case? Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
...by doing the very thing, itself, are you asking?
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...by doing the very thing, itself, are you asking?
Doing what thing itself?
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
Why and how does a lack of conclusive proof reveal such a possibility as being possible? Why cant it help but reveal such a possibility?
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Archer, if you're asking (of all things) how science, technology and determination are related to the nature of possibility, I'm not sure what to say.
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Archer, if you're asking (of all things) how science, technology and determination are related to the nature of possibility, I'm not sure what to say.
Im asking how you believe that no evidence to the contrary or no evidence at all proves something is possible? How did you arrive at this conclusion and do you believe that is an example of sound logic?
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Im asking how you believe that no evidence to the contrary or no evidence at all proves something is possible? How did you arrive at this conclusion and do you believe that is an example of sound logic?
Perhaps you missed this, and let me know if you'd like extra-large fonts to go with it:
It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.
Right?
Please show me where you've accounted for science, technology and determination.
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Perhaps you missed this, and let me know if you'd like extra-large fonts to go with it:
Please show me where you've accounted for science, technology and determination.
Its a simple question. Why do you believe no evidence to the contrary somehow makes that which has no evidence possible? How did you come to this conclusion?
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Its a simple question. Why do you believe no evidence to the contrary (combined with the presence of science, technology and determination) somehow makes that which has no evidence possible? How did you come to this conclusion?
Fixed.
Fog starting to clear?
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This thread's been an interesting look into the way different people think, I'll say that.
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Fixed.
Fog starting to clear?
That isn't what you said.
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Its a simple question. Why do you believe no evidence to the contrary (combined with the presence of science, technology and determination) somehow makes that which has no evidence possible? How did you come to this conclusion?
Explain how science, technology and determination combined with no evidence to contrary work together? Define determination?
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That isn't what you said.
I do tend to assume the person reading has a functioning brain, and has not suddenly emerged from cave hibernation, or from under a rock (ahem), etc., yes.
I seem to be learning my lesson in that regard, though.
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I do tend to assume the person reading has a functioning brain, and has not suddenly emerged from cave hibernation, or from under a rock, etc., yes.
I seem to be learning my lesson in that regard, though.
How does no evidence to the contrary make something possible? Do you believe aliens visit the Earth?
Explain how science, technology and determination combined with no evidence to the contrary work together? Define determination?
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How does no evidence to the contrary make something possible? Do you believe aliens visit the Earth?
Explain how science, technology and determination combined with no evidence to the contrary work together? Define determination?
As mentioned several times before, I don't know and won't pretend to know.
How about you?
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As mentioned several times before, I don't know and won't pretend to know.
How about you?
Why then do you claim they do if you don't know?
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Why then do you claim they do if you don't know?
Give me the quote.
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Give me the quote.
First, why do you believe no proof to the contrary has any significance on whether something is possible? And, do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
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First, why do you believe no proof to the contrary has any significance on whether something is possible? And, do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
Archer, give me the quote, please.
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Archer, give me the quote, please.
Answer my questions please.
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Do you claim to be in the NSA, now, Oz?
:D
Do you claim to know if i am in or not in?
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No quote?
Let me get this straight. You jumped into the thread like Helter Skelter. Didn't even know my stand.
Yet you challenged me NONE-THE-LESS.
What does this say about yourself?
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No quote?
Let me get this straight. You jumped into the thread like Helter Skelter. Didn't even know my stand.
Yet you challenged me NONE-THE-LESS.
What does this say about yourself?
Did you ever look up an argument from ignorance? How does no evidence make something possible?
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Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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No quote?
Let me get this straight. You jumped into the thread like Helter Skelter. Didn't even know my stand.
Yet you challenged me NONE-THE-LESS.
What does this say about yourself?
I say it says he knows how to spot people who talk out of their asses.
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Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Fortunately, Archer, any person that's bored enough can read our discussion, and its very strange process. It's definitely one for the records, I must say.
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Too many pilots and People all around the world have seen things. The proof for me is the Ancient drawings and Art work. Contact has been made between us and them.. i think that it will come out very soon. People talk about being taken by aliens and are ridiculed so how many People say nothing? I think in the US there are Underground Research centres.
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Too many pilots and People all around the world have seen things. The proof for me is the Ancient drawings and Art work. Contact has been made between us and them.. i think that it will come out very soon. People talk about being taken by aliens and are ridiculed so how many People say nothing? I think in the US there are Underground Research centres.
I would love it if Aliens were visiting our planet. How cool would that be? How would you react if aliens suddently revealed themselves to the world?
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I would love it if Aliens were visiting our planet. How cool would that be? How would you react if aliens suddently revealed themselves to the world?
i would ask them..."How much do ya Bench" ?... ;D
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I think my first thoughts would be what do they want ? i would be careful that is for sure.. not just running up to them smiling saying wellcome we love you ;D ::) This is where you guys in the US have it better you can get Armed and defend yourselfes.
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i would ask them..."How much do ya Bench" ?... ;D
Haha. Do those skinny grays even lift?
I think my first thoughts would be what do they want ? i would be careful that is for sure.. not just running up to them smiling saying wellcome we love you ;D ::) This is where you guys in the US have it better you can get Armed and defend yourselfes.
I agree, it would be wise to be skeptical but not overtly aggressive. Remember that old tv series V?
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yes i do... also this was on British TV around 71/72 canīt remember. Even as a small kid i loved the chicks with Purple hair and tight silver suits...still turns me on... ;)
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Archer, I've got to ask. Even after you realized the response to this:
Why then do you claim they do if you don't know?
Why, of all things, would you then immediately continue attempting a "from ignorance" argument?
What's the thought process?
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Archer, I've got to ask. Even after you realized the response to this:
Why, of all things, would you then immediately continue attempting a "from ignorance" argument?
What's the thought process?
Why do you claim no evidence to the contrary inidcates something is possible? Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted?
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Why do you claim no evidence to the contrary inidcates something is possible? Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted?
Archer. Whether you've ever read it, is a better question.
Let me explain this to you, very carefully. I want you to understand, because I think you're an okay guy.
You've been arguing with the idea that I'd made an assertion to suggest absolute consequences (please think about that very carefully, because you're not registering it), which is in fact the exact opposite of what I'd been doing. Right? (It is that bad, yes)
Can you understand that, now?
You did that without identifying any particular post. You did that despite seeing the words "possible" and "possibility" perhaps dozens of times. You did that, even after saying this:
...such a possibility as being possible?
Whew. What a thread.
In other words, Archer, your argument is for someone that asserts something which would lead to absolute consequences, the exact opposite of what "possible" and possibility" express. Okay?
Now..do us both a favor, and drop the repeating post action, and respond directly.
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Archer. Whether you've ever read it, is a better question.
Let me explain this to you, very carefully. I want you to understand, because I think you're an okay guy.
You've been arguing with the idea that I'd made an assertion to suggest absolute consequences (please think about that very carefully, because you're not registering it), which is in fact the exact opposite of what I'd been doing. Right? (It is that bad, yes)
Can you understand that, now?
You did that without identifying any particular post. You did that despite seeing the words "possible" and "possibility" perhaps dozens of times. You did that, even after saying this:
Whew. What a thread.
In other words, Archer, your argument is for someone that asserts something which would lead to absolute consequences, the exact opposite of what "possible" and possibility" express. Okay?
Now..do us both a favor, and drop the repeating post action, and respond directly.
Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted? How does the absence of evidence lead you to the conclusion that the subject is therefore more possible?
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Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted? How does the absence of evidence lead you to the conclusion that the subject is therefore more possible?
"...more possible"?
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It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject?
If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
What do you base this claim on? Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion? If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion.
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Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.
We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate the forces for our own benefit.
Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.
(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)
But if you must, then carry on as you were.
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Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.
We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.
Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.
(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)
But if you must, then carry on as you were.
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject? The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary. Didnt you read it?
Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
What do you base this claim on? Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion? If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion. What is the basis for your conclusion? Why are they likely to be ourselves? How do you know human history goes back further than we know?
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Okay, Archer. If you want to go this route, we'll go this route. From your post:
Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
Please categorize for me within the choices, and we'll go from there.
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Okay, Archer. If you want to go this route, we'll go this route. From your post:
Please categorize for me within the choices, and we'll go from there.
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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I say three...how about you?
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I say three...how about you?
Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.
We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.
Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.
(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)
But if you must, then carry on as you were.
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject? The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary. Didnt you read it?
Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
What do you base this claim on? Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion? If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion. What is the basis for your conclusion? Why are they likely to be ourselves? How do you know human history goes back further than we know?
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Just be more careful with what you say, Archer. That's all.
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Just be more careful with what you say, Archer. That's all.
Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.
We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.
Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.
(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)
But if you must, then carry on as you were.
It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject? The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary. Didnt you read it?
Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.
What do you base this claim on? Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion? If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion. What is the basis for your conclusion? Why are they likely to be ourselves? How do you know human history goes back further than we know?
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I am not a sci-fi Freak but watched some NASA films from space Encounters...really does make you think when ex Astronauts speak out about it :o
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5201410/Are-UFOs-real-Famous-people-who-believed.html
no but the holocaust is :D
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After reading your last few posts with Archer, Jack, you are either big time troller or just a pathetic moron.
I suggest you answer his questions, ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, and stop pretending you are having a different conversation with him.
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After reading your last few posts with Archer, Jack, you are either big time troller or just a pathetic moron.
I suggest you answer his questions, ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, and stop pretending you are having a different conversation with him.
Any particular reason why you felt the need to only acknowledge reading the "last few posts", OzmO?
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Any particular reason why you felt the need to only acknowledge reading the "last few posts", OzmO?
Re-read my post. Last warning. Otherwise as far as I am concerned you are trolling and will be dealt with accordingly.
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check out the Video about the Russian Proton Rocket...
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nothing like a grainy moving blip as proof.
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:)
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/alien_pictures2.html
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:)
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/alien_pictures2.html
Sweet! It was discovered in 2002. Has DNA testing been done? Has there been a peer reviewed scientific investigation?
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Sweet! It was discovered in 2002. Has DNA testing been done? Has there been a peer reviewed scientific investigation?
Being honest i do not know. i just got into watching all this NASA film futage because i saw a film about UFOs and thought WTF. However when you watch some interviews with ex Astronauts...makes you think. I canīt believe all that NASA film futage is fake.
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Being honest i do not know. i just got into watching all this NASA film futage because i saw a film about UFOs and thought WTF. However when you watch some interviews with ex Astronauts...makes you think. I canīt believe all that NASA film futage is fake.
Yeah, I have seen some of it. But the problem is, those things they saw weren't identified one way or another. Could have been debris.
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Yeah, I have seen some of it. But the problem is, those things they saw weren't identified one way or another. Could have been debris.
yes but as more Astronauts have said, under controll from intelligent life. We are talking Top Men you were Hand picked to go up there. I believe them.
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yes but as more Astronauts have said, under control from intelligent life. We are talking Top Men you were Hand picked to go up there. I believe them.
I believe they questioned what they saw. But they are some what scientists as well as astronauts, did they make a "conclusion" based on little info or did they just leave the possibility opened based on what little info they had?
Maybe there are some quotes.
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i believe these Astronauts are of Sound being. Intelligent men. What they saw was not their interpretation but Facts...which they now openly say. the reason why more People are now opening up to this reality. This is not just a few DUDES fucking around on the web.
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i believe these Astronauts are of Sound being. Intelligent men. What they saw was not their interpretation but Facts...which they now openly say. the reason why more People are now opening up to this reality. This is not just a few DUDES fucking around on the web.
I know, but it still doesn't matter. Are they conclusions based on fact or assumption?
Very intelligent people still believe in things based on speculation. Its a common thing to find very intelligent people believing in wild conspiracy theories.
Thank god for science.
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I know, but it still doesn't matter. Are they conclusions based on fact or assumption?
Very intelligent people still believe in things based on speculation. Its a common thing to find very intelligent people believing in wild conspiracy theories.
Thank god for science.
you have hit a good Point there , "science" does follow it. Just you do not know it.
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Interesting..
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you have hit a good Point there , "science" does follow it. Just you do not know it.
How so? How does science follow it?
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Stanton Friedman a Nuclear Physicist has devoted 35 years to scientific study of UFOs also Peter sturrock who authored a Scientific Study published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. To Name but a few. The US has studies as do other countries. So i want to hear some Argumentation from you ozmO and not just questions after questions to debunk every post on here. Anyone can do that.
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Dr Karla turner was also very prominent in research....disclosure will happen ;D
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Stanton Friedman a Nuclear Physicist has devoted 35 years to scientific study of UFOs also Peter sturrock who authored a Scientific Study published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. To Name but a few. The US has studies as do other countries. So i want to hear some Argumentation from you ozmO and not just questions after questions to debunk every post on here. Anyone can do that.
I am asking questions to see if you have any "real" evidence other then grainy photos or vids.
I believe there is life out there and i do believe that its possible that we have been visited. But i haven't seen any actual evidence, yet.
For example: that creature that you showed, was there a peer reviewed scientific investigation that determined its DNA? If so then it should be available somewhere. Or is it just another hollow piece just like the many grainy photos out there.
Stranton Friedman... Did he discover anything factual? What were Peter Sheetrock's conclusions? How were they received by the scientific community? Just because a scientist is investigating something doesn't make it nay more or less true.
I like to debunk because it gets us closer tot he truth and farther from fantasy.
Verifiable, tangible evidence. Not rhetoric, not arguments,....evidence.
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I am asking questions to see if you have any "real" evidence other then grainy photos or vids.
I believe there is life out there and i do believe that its possible that we have been visited. But i haven't seen any actual evidence, yet.
For example: that creature that you showed, was there a peer reviewed scientific investigation that determined its DNA? If so then it should be available somewhere. Or is it just another hollow piece just like the many grainy photos out there.
Stranton Friedman... Did he discover anything factual? What were Peter Sheetrock's conclusions? How were they received by the scientific community? Just because a scientist is investigating something doesn't make it nay more or less true.
I like to debunk because it gets us closer tot he truth and farther from fantasy.
Verifiable, tangible evidence. Not rhetoric, not arguments,....evidence.
Mate if i had 100% proof the Men in Black would be knocking at my Door ;Dhttp://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)
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try again..
http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)
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I will do some Research .. a few good Books on UFOology out there, written by Educated People. Have only just started to look at it myself so not an expert. I just got interested after seeing a Documentary on YouTube. i see there is even a Forum, no doubt a few. Maybe some answers to your questions in this Forum.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=41378
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Mate if i had 100% proof the Men in Black would be knocking at my Door ;Dhttp://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)
This is kind of what i am talking about. The idea that there has been contact and that the government is covering it up has zero basis of facts and is simply a speculative fantasy that those "Men in Black" would be knocking at your door.
What do have is lots of unverified evidence. We can't say something is "certain" with that.
But i will browse that forum later. looks interesting.
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Well mate i would tend to believe this man.
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2013/02/edgar-us-astronaut-mitchell-ufo-and.html
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Astronaut and Hero Gordon Cooper...
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What about Buzz? ..
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I believe These men.
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What about Buzz? ..
What did he see? Can he verify what he saw? Are there other possible explanations to what he saw? That's science.
Buzz: "What could it be?" He doesn't know what it is. That doesn't mean its a alien space ship.
Narrator: "It could only be one thing" How can he know for sure? Was he there? Seems irresponsible to claim it could only be one thing. Is the narrator saying its an unidentified flying object or a alien space ship?
Buzz: "That didn't tell us very much" Meaning they don't know crap
Bearded dude with glasses: "Such objects weren't uncommon" So it could be any number of things, not out of the ordinary.
Narrator: "what they saw has never been positively identified" EXACTLY!
I only went to 3:36 in the clip.
But at no time does Buzz say he saw a alien space craft. a tno time was it ever verified as a space craft of any sort. it's unidentified.
So what about this do you believe?
Do you believe buzz saw some thing he couldn't identify? I do.
Do you beleive Buzz saw a alien space craft? Show me where he says that.
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well i guess you have been through Astronautical School been up there and know better than These MEN. ;)
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well i guess you have been through Astronautical School been up there and know better than These MEN. ;)
Of course I don't. But i do know the English language.
The point is Buzz isn't saying anything!
Show me where he says something.
I am ONLY going off of what they said, are you? Or are you putting words in their mouths.
It's simple English. Or do you want to believe there are aliens sooo bad that you are ignoring the English language and therefore think Buzz is saying he saw an alien space craft?
Because he is not saying he did!
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Of course I don't. But i do know the English language.
The point is Buzz isn't saying anything!
Show me where he says something.
I am ONLY going off of what they said, are you? Or are you putting words in their mouths.
It's simple English. Or do you want to believe there are aliens sooo bad that you are ignoring the English language and therefore think Buzz is saying he saw an alien space craft?
Because he is not saying he did!
listen Buddy... if i do meet some. GetBig will get the Story first. ;D As for Buzz, look at his Body language. He knew more than he let on. saw another Video where a well known ex president was asked Ufo questions and they analyzed him.. they came to the conclusion that when asked about it he was lying. will try to find it again.
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listen Buddy... if i do meet some. GetBig will get the Story first. ;D As for Buzz, look at his Body language. He knew more than he let on. saw another Video where a well known ex president was asked Ufo questions and they analyzed him.. they came to the conclusion that when asked about it he was lying. will try to find it again.
So based on a video, you are interpreting body language as him saying "He saw an alien space craft" and you are doing this based on what personal expertise in reading body language?
And then you use this vid and your "likely no education or expertise in reading body language" as him saying: He saw an alien space craft...
And then you say "You believe these men"
When they never said at any one time or even suggested at any one time that it was a Alien space craft?
ok.
That's about as far good evidence as you can get. That's about as far from personal testimony as you can get. That's about as far from an credible argument as you can get.
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So based on a video, you are interpreting body language as him saying "He saw an alien space craft" and you are doing this based on what personal expertise in reading body language?
And then you use this vid and your "likely no education or expertise in reading body language" as him saying: He saw an alien space craft...
And then you say "You believe these men"
When they never said at any one time or even suggested at any one time that it was a Alien space craft?
ok.
That's about as far good evidence as you can get. That's about as far from personal testimony as you can get. That's about as far from an credible argument as you can get.
well i bet when you lie you get red and tremble. get hot flushes. People do Show stress in Body gestures and arm and Hand signals. or do you want to argue about that.
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This Guy puts it well. showing Red flags.
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well i bet when you lie you get red and tremble. get hot flushes. People do Show stress in Body gestures and arm and Hand signals. or do you want to argue about that.
Not much to argue about.
1. Buzz NEVER says alien space craft. Yet you suggest he does. One of the interveiwees even says objects like that are common
2. Watching a video of someone who you think is showing signs of stress from lying is about as credible as the promises a teenager makes to girl in the back seat of his car.
3. You are falling into the classic CT syndrome in that you have already made a conclusion and are only seeing the things that might support that conclusion while ignoring everything else. what's crazy about this instance is it seems you are so desperate to have actual proof that you are creating proof in your mind to justify your belief.
Buss does not say he saw a alien space craft. PERIOD
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Not much to argue about.
1. Buzz NEVER says alien space craft. Yet you suggest he does. One of the interveiwees even says objects like that are common
2. Watching a video of someone who you think is showing signs of stress from lying is about as credible as the promises a teenager makes to girl in the back seat of his car.
3. You are falling into the classic CT syndrome in that you have already made a conclusion and are only seeing the things that might support that conclusion while ignoring everything else. what's crazy about this instance is it seems you are so desperate to have actual proof that you are creating proof in your mind to justify your belief.
Buss does not say he saw a alien space craft. PERIOD
Ok so the other Astronauts are talking crap. You seem to ignore them and are focused on Buzz. Still it Shows you are watching the Videos so maybe i can educate you slowly.
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Ok so the other Astronauts are talking crap. You seem to ignore them and are focused on Buzz. Still it Shows you are watching the Videos so maybe i can educate you slowly.
Not saying that at all.
They are simply saying what they saw.
What they are not saying is they saw aN alien space craft.
I don't mind watching videos if they are intelligently presented. that particular one was.
But the FACT still remains. BuZZ DID NOT SAY HE SAW AN ALIEN SPACE CRAFT.
PS: if educating me means ignoring the English language forget it. :D
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Not saying that at all.
They are simply saying what they saw.
What they are not saying is they saw aN alien space craft.
I don't mind watching videos if they are intelligently presented. that particular one was.
But the FACT still remains. BuZZ DID NOT SAY HE SAW AN ALIEN SPACE CRAFT.
PS: if educating me means ignoring the English language forget it. :D
Listen Yankee Boy i will teach you Scottish... ;)
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Listen Yankee Boy i will teach you Scottish... ;)
I am sure, even in Scottish, Buzz doesn't say he saw an Alien space craft. ;D
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I am sure, even in Scottish, Buzz doesn't say he saw an Alien space craft. ;D
;D
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Today is world UFO day...look up in the sky
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I hope I live long enough to prove that my 4 sightings are proven to be matter of fact.
1. age 12 with my dad we saw a silver object fly over our heads at 7am in the Mojave Desert. It suddenly stopped and in a 180 flew back the other way. It was 1952 and my dad said it was one of the Air Force's new jets getting ready for the Korean War. mmmmmmOK.
2. 1966 was with 3 others on the USC campus at 5pm and we saw a silver object with flashing lights hovering over the Harbor Freeway near downtown L.A. Suddenly it flew straight up and out of sight. The next morning in the L.A. Times they reported an unidentified object was picked up over downtown L.A. by the L.A. Airport tower radar. The object was also reported by 2 inbound pilots at the same time. This sighting became the opening scene in Close Encounters movie.
3. 1971 left King's Harbor at midnight in the fog on a 42' sailboat with 4 others heading to Catalina Island off So Calif. About 2 hours later we see a glowing green ahead coming from beneath the sea. We sail right over 3 large green discs each about 100' diameter and maybe a hundred feet beneath us. Our boat, sails and the 5 of us also glowed green. Remember it was foggy so no moon glowing plankton going on here. As we sailed on we looked back and could see the glow for another 10 min.
4. 2013 up here in the White Mountains Arizona. 12 noon baby blue sky with a few white puffy clouds. Saw exact same phenomena as I did at age 12. Sure would like to know what object can fly faster than a commercial airliner...stop on the dime and go back where it came from.
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I hope I live long enough to prove that my 4 sightings are proven to be matter of fact.
1. age 12 with my dad we saw a silver object fly over our heads at 7am in the Mojave Desert. It suddenly stopped and in a 180 flew back the other way. It was 1952 and my dad said it was one of the Air Force's new jets getting ready for the Korean War. mmmmmmOK.
2. 1966 was with 3 others on the USC campus at 5pm and we saw a silver object with flashing lights hovering over the Harbor Freeway near downtown L.A. Suddenly it flew straight up and out of sight. The next morning in the L.A. Times they reported an unidentified object was picked up over downtown L.A. by the L.A. Airport tower radar. The object was also reported by 2 inbound pilots at the same time. This sighting became the opening scene in Close Encounters movie.
3. 1971 left King's Harbor at midnight in the fog on a 42' sailboat with 4 others heading to Catalina Island off So Calif. About 2 hours later we see a glowing green ahead coming from beneath the sea. We sail right over 3 large green discs each about 100' diameter and maybe a hundred feet beneath us. Our boat, sails and the 5 of us also glowed green. Remember it was foggy so no moon glowing plankton going on here. As we sailed on we looked back and could see the glow for another 10 min.
4. 2013 up here in the White Mountains Arizona. 12 noon baby blue sky with a few white puffy clouds. Saw exact same phenomena as I did at age 12. Sure would like to know what object can fly faster than a commercial airliner...stop on the dime and go back where it came from.
I honestly hope you do too.
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was George Adamski correct in his Books? A brilliant Man or just eccentric ?
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicadamski.html
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I believe that today there is a lot less information about this kind of subjects then decades ago.
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I hope I live long enough to prove that my 4 sightings are proven to be matter of fact.
1. age 12 with my dad we saw a silver object fly over our heads at 7am in the Mojave Desert. It suddenly stopped and in a 180 flew back the other way. It was 1952 and my dad said it was one of the Air Force's new jets getting ready for the Korean War. mmmmmmOK.
2. 1966 was with 3 others on the USC campus at 5pm and we saw a silver object with flashing lights hovering over the Harbor Freeway near downtown L.A. Suddenly it flew straight up and out of sight. The next morning in the L.A. Times they reported an unidentified object was picked up over downtown L.A. by the L.A. Airport tower radar. The object was also reported by 2 inbound pilots at the same time. This sighting became the opening scene in Close Encounters movie.
3. 1971 left King's Harbor at midnight in the fog on a 42' sailboat with 4 others heading to Catalina Island off So Calif. About 2 hours later we see a glowing green ahead coming from beneath the sea. We sail right over 3 large green discs each about 100' diameter and maybe a hundred feet beneath us. Our boat, sails and the 5 of us also glowed green. Remember it was foggy so no moon glowing plankton going on here. As we sailed on we looked back and could see the glow for another 10 min.
4. 2013 up here in the White Mountains Arizona. 12 noon baby blue sky with a few white puffy clouds. Saw exact same phenomena as I did at age 12. Sure would like to know what object can fly faster than a commercial airliner...stop on the dime and go back where it came from.
That's cool you are luck enough to have 4 sightings. I have only seen 1 but am thankful for that.
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I believe that today there is a lot less information about this kind of subjects then decades ago.
well there was a lot more in the 50s and it was reported a lot more sightings after the first A Bomb was set off. There are some very Educated People talking about this ..including Astronauts.
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I believe These Astronauts... why would they lie about it? more than one has spoke about it.
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Probe landed in London... NASA spokesman says, "remains from Marshan life forms".... it is coming out ...
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I believe These Astronauts... why would they lie about it? more than one has spoke about it.
They may not be lying but they could be mistaken.
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They may not be lying but they could be mistaken.
very true. I canīt believe though that more than one Astronaut can be mistaken. We are talking men / women who have been selected through rigorous testing.
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There's something outhere waiting for us. And it ain't no man ... We are all gonna die.
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very true. I canīt believe though that more than one Astronaut can be mistaken. We are talking men / women who have been selected through rigorous testing.
Everyone makes mistakes, even highly trained individuals.
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Everyone makes mistakes, even highly trained individuals.
Donīt believe it. Too many People tell the same Story. Believe me iīm not a Sci fi nut or star treky but i do think there is things going on. Polls say the same Thing. itīs not weather balloons...swamp gas... normal educated People have seen it. Internet educates the masses. (good and bad)
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Open your mind... ;D
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Donīt believe it. Too many People tell the same Story. Believe me iīm not a Sci fi nut or star treky but i do think there is things going on. Polls say the same Thing. itīs not weather balloons...swamp gas... normal educated People have seen it. Internet educates the masses. (good and bad)
Dude, I want to believe like no other.
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Last time i watched a UFO Documentary my wife said to me iīm losing it...LOL
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is this man crazy? we canīt say ALL These People are crazy...
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The pilots who report seeing ufos while in the air always make me wonder.
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"Grey Aliens", such words did come from somewhere. More and more older People from the early Days are talking now before they die. Itīs coming out and mark my words they canīt hide it for much longer.
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Posted this before but is he also crazy? decide for yourself...
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check out 8.19 just a nut ? These sightings are mass sightings
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WARNING very disturbing Documentary and Pictures.
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good stuff, I will check out the video
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good stuff, I will check out the video
Itīs more believable to me. This Guy Steven Greer pushes over a very different Picture that they are our friends.. ( if itīs all True) There are some comments about him in the film..
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Itīs more believable to me. This Guy Steven Greer pushes over a very different Picture that they are our friends.. ( if itīs all True) There are some comments about him in the film..
greer is a fraud, he know jack shit. How the fuck can they be friends ??? they are sheer evil
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Greer is making money and part of deceptive plan . He wants us to believe it's all like harmless....government backed...if the truth came out people would Freak out.
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judge for yourselves..
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If UFOs are indeed real then I hope they start collecting practitioners of the muslim way for anal probing.
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Not a UFO, just an alien or unknown creature in brazil:
Looks real to me.
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Not a UFO, just an alien or unknown creature in brazil:
Looks real to me.
does look strange... even stranger than what roams around getbig ;D
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After reading your last few posts with Archer, Jack, you are either big time troller or just a pathetic moron.
I suggest you answer his questions, ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, and stop pretending you are having a different conversation with him.
my lord, you are a mod here, this 'conspiracy theory'' is an out to lunch thing as it is and yet you criticize and act like you are angry and but hurt at what others believe and everyone is crazy around here accept you man, calm the hell down brother, what??... everyone who does not hold your view is a gimmick or everyone who does not agree with you has not read the entire thread, man you are out of line here with your comments.
wow just wow
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wow, no wonder traffic is non existent on this board because this mod makes it seem like you need a phd to voice an opinion, not cool at all. Also calling people morons because they believe in something wild is one thing but not when the discussion board is specifically meant for conspiracy theories.
Abusing mod status and melting down, belittling and deleting posts is BS, and yes I read the entire thread and the biggest surprise is this guy's anger
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my lord, you are a mod here, this 'conspiracy theory'' is an out to lunch thing as it is and yet you criticize and act like you are angry and but hurt at what others believe and everyone is crazy around here accept you man, calm the hell down brother, what??... everyone who does not hold your view is a gimmick or everyone who does not agree with you has not read the entire thread, man you are out of line here with your comments.
wow just wow
Many people that post things as "fact" cant stand up to questioning. If you look at the entire exchanges you will see its not productive dialog, but instead deliberate defection, ad hom, straw man, etc.
No one is ever banned for that. But it is moronic behavior and i will call it out, not because they believe something necessarily. What they are banned for in either the Politic's or CT board is purposefully trolling or singular personal attacks. Posters get a couple of warnings, if they are ignored then a 7-30 day ban is instituted.
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Many people that post things as "fact" cant stand up to questioning. If you look at the entire exchanges you will see its not productive dialog, but instead deliberate defection, ad hom, straw man, etc.
No one is ever banned for that. But it is moronic behavior and i will call it out, not because they believe something necessarily. What they are banned for in either the Politic's or CT board is purposefully trolling or singular personal attacks. Posters get a couple of warnings, if they are ignored then a 7-30 day ban is instituted.
I understand that but the views expressed in this thread (and yes I read it) are not trolling, ignorant of actual facts? sure but not gimmick or trolling, you are doing some crazy accusations only because they are not agreeing with your views and then claiming they are trolling.
Your one argument in one instance was there can not possibly be an advance civilization in the past on this Earth and who believes so is a troll? OK dude, whatever you say, enjoy a board with 3 active members cause your running people off. I am out.
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canīt find the Original English Version of this, it shows they have found a planet with qualities like Earth but has only one side receiving light due to non rotation. Very intresting.
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They are talking about 2020... this is not all just illusion. I believe they know more than they are letting us know.
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Have you ever heard of the Baltic Sea anomaly?
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Are you guys familiar with the Majestic 12?
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Are you guys familiar with the Majestic 12?
yes look at what I posted
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yes look at what I posted
Sorry, didnt see it, buddy.
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So long as they learn English, stay out of our schools, don't sign up for food stamps, EBT, turn mooslim or register as Democraps they can visit. The moment the phrase "no comprende" pops out of their bug-eyed, lizard headed mouth slit is the moment I female dog slap 'em back to Mars.
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Sorry, didnt see it, buddy.
it really is interesting when you get into it.
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So long as they learn English, stay out of our schools, don't sign up for food stamps, EBT, turn mooslim or register as Democraps they can visit. The moment the phrase "no comprende" pops out of their bug-eyed, lizard headed mouth slit is the moment I female dog slap 'em back to Mars.
Scotty ;D
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http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/10/26/dying-senior-scientist-shares-insider-truth-about-area-51-aliens-ufos-anti-gravity/
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I think people did see Angels but not from this world, or at least what we understand them to be in physical form.
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You warped my brain, Donny. I've started reading about UFOs
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You warped my brain, Donny. I've started reading about UFOs
believe me...at first i laughed at it like most do. Really look into it and you do have to give it serious consideration.
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believe me...at first i laughed at it like most do. Really look into it and you do have to give it serious consideration.
The eye witness testimony from airline pilots is interesting and worth taking seriously. Its testimony like theirs that makes me wonder.
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the fact WW2 pilots saw it says it all. Of course we have the Nazi Conspiracy. Even so.. this all came from somewhere. Recorded facts show Records of Disc like Objects even in WW2. I think the Nazis did have a much better grip on it and tried then to Engineer this. Himmler was know to be very mystic. the Breakthrough came soon after in Mexico.
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To believe we are alone ...is ludicrous.
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The problem with the aliens is - they love playing hide and seek.
Who of you has ever seen an Alien, an Alien ship, made contact, used telepathic means of communications?
Have you ever had contact, at least in a dream? *grasping for straws here*
There seems to be huge catch attached to the Aliens' presence...
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The problem with the aliens is - they love playing hide and seek.
Who of you has ever seen an Alien, an Alien ship, made contact, used telepathic means of communications?
Have you ever had contact, at least in a dream? *grasping for straws here*
There seems to be huge catch attached to the Aliens' presence...
I can talk about one experience which i have never forgotten about. this is true. I was very young at the time but i still remember it. I was lying in my Bed looking up at the ceiling and remember seeing Astronaut type figures with smiling human faces looking down at me. was i dreaming?, i could never understand it because i was so young i am sure i never knew about Astronauts or space. always stuck in my mind. No doubt just my imagination but so young. Canīt even remember my age it was so long ago. i am guessing i was about 4 or 5 years old. The thing is we canīt really say what "they" look like. My take is this, we are only really starting to understand outside our territory in space...would be foolish to think we are the only intelligent life.
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I once heard a astronomer say
'There are more Stars Than There are Grains of Sand on All The Beach's & Desserts on the World'
If that is true or even 50% accurate it is Kind of Very Hard Not to Think There is other Types of Life
Forms out There.
If so Have they visited us quite possibly so.
The whole universe, stars, planets thing is so vast in Number odds are for other Life.
Totally fascinating subject.
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I once heard a astronomer say
'There are more Stars Than There are Grains of Sand on All The Beach's & Desserts on the World'
If that is true or even 50% accurate it is Kind of Very Hard Not to Think There is other Types of Life
Forms out There.
If so Have they visited us quite possibly so.
The whole universe, stars, planets thing is so vast in Number odds are for other Life.
Totally fascinating subject.
Anyone who believes we just evolved from Adam and Eve is Dreaming. there are Countless pictures on Cave walls and later art works and even references in the Bible to what can be interpreted as intervention from higher intelligent beings. I have looked into diffrent theories on our evolution and i canīt believe we evolved so fast from single cells. Of course i am not an expert but when you use logical thinking and look deeply into it...doubts soon come...
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Anyone who believes we just evolved from Adam and Eve is Dreaming. there are Countless pictures on Cave walls and later art works and even references in the Bible to what can be interpreted as intervention from higher intelligent beings. I have looked into diffrent theories on our evolution and i canīt believe we evolved so fast from single cells. Of course i am not an expert but when you use logical thinking and look deeply into it...doubts soon come...
Agreed. I would say it's a safe bet that somewhere along our
Timeline there has been some kind of outside our own kind
Of breeding.
If it was a species on this planet or from an other that is the
Conundrum.
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I can talk about one experience which i have never forgotten about. this is true. I was very young at the time but i still remember it. I was lying in my Bed looking up at the ceiling and remember seeing Astronaut type figures with smiling human faces looking down at me. was i dreaming?, i could never understand it because i was so young i am sure i never knew about Astronauts or space. always stuck in my mind. No doubt just my imagination but so young. Canīt even remember my age it was so long ago. i am guessing i was about 4 or 5 years old. The thing is we canīt really say what "they" look like. My take is this, we are only really starting to understand outside our territory in space...would be foolish to think we are the only intelligent life.
The point for me is not if they exist but what the agenda is and if they can be separated by characteristics understandable by humans.
On the other hand there are many questions I have and I want some answers so a little help from a more evolved species would be appreciated.
I'm pretty sure when they probed ZeeSwole's ass the probe was destroyed due to the high rectum pressure.
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intresting...
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Disclosure is coming... 8)
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make your own opinion...
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:)
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:) i wil sleep with the light on tonight... ;D
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Yes...Now please go back to the Mother Ship!!!! :-X
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Yes :o.
A recent upload to YouTube.
Any background info on that clip.
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Yes :o.
A recent upload to YouTube.
Any background info on that clip.
Fraid not but like the man on the moon ..i will be watching... :)
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Donny, please do not upset Ropo or a post of cosmic proportions may follow...
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More proof...
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More proof...
Donīt know if this is a Hoax or not but there is too much material coming out now ...
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I have often wondered how people would/will react when a Broadcast is made. This video shows probably the biggest Hoax of all time..
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(http://www.imperialgermans.com/DE/images/haunebu2.jpg)
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(http://www.imperialgermans.com/DE/images/haunebu2.jpg)
looks like an early Nazi design ?
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looks like an early Nazi design ?
1943, yes.
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I think it will come out soon...
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I think it will come out soon...
Some of his words are very interesting.
Wonder why he would use such terms if there is no aliens.
No Quite openly acknowledging Aliens just yet.
As you Said it doesn't Seem to far away.
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Some of his words are very interesting.
Wonder why he would use such terms if there is no aliens.
No Quite openly acknowledging Aliens just yet.
As you Said it doesn't Seem to far away.
Rationel Men have said they exist..this is another example. I hope that in my life time i see the truth coming out. Films like Close Encounters of the Third kind were not just dreamed up. There is truth in there.
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With all the camera phones that can videotape picture perfect pics, shouldn't we be seeing a lot of UFO's by now? Or have the "Aliens" adapted to our new technology and went much more stealth?
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I think there are a lot, but the media isn't covering it for this exact reason.
There is good footage being ignored.
Just look at the story of Paul Hellyer.
How is this guy not on television every single day?
It is simple...
A conspiracy of silence. :-X
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With all the camera phones that can videotape picture perfect pics, shouldn't we be seeing a lot of UFO's by now? Or have the "Aliens" adapted to our new technology and went much more stealth?
Considering most sightings are at night you won't get many high quality videos.
The UFO sighting is usually a bright light in the black sky , moving rapidly or erratic.
Plus you have to be looking up to catch a few sec.
Think about it like this:
There are numerous plane crashes around the world.
How often do they get filmed at the time of the crash impact?
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The flu and smallpox that killed tens of millions has nothing on the diseases extra terrestrials will bring...diseases from outer space that we have no precedents or answers for...Like when Europeans gave smallpox blankets to Indians to wipe them out....Aliens will have shit that will devastate our civilization....
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A lot of talk of Elon Musk firing up his Hologram/CGI machine creating UFO/s and "they" are going to say they've been in contact with the ET's. And that the ET's will only share their technology if we on Earth become one, as in One World type Government. Elon's Space-X was always NASA's CGI division. NASA needed one face and scam artist Elon was just the man for the job.
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There is this guy on youtube who does a lot of videos about the Fermi Paradox called John Michael Godier - fascinating discussions. Not Art Bell stuff.
They are really good and worthwhile.
In short - probably and certainly yes - but due to distance, time, etc - we probably will never know.
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(http://www.imperialgermans.com/DE/images/haunebu2.jpg)
everyone...This is a ceiling lamp fixture....
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everyone...This is a ceiling lamp fixture....
Yep. Billy Meier got exposed on this years ago.
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/alien-bombshell-harvard-scientist-says-23371579?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=star_main&fbclid=IwAR1ai9lYs4Edx9aM0zaljHj1JgdD_P_cXXQWC_c9kyASQvBLqrdOpKGuaqI
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Do you really believe this?
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We've been waiting for disclosure for 25 years. A lot of people like Dr. Steven Greer have gotten rich off of this.