Don Long 12 weeks out photos!

[Lift Studios]

Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake?  Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times.  I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die.  I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better.  It was out of character for me.  As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?

This an attempt to add yourself to the "GRADE A DOUCHE LIST"?
 

[dzulboy]

Huh?  When have I ever not been completely open about everything in my life?  I have nothing to hide.  If I was somehow ashamed of any of my actions maybe I would be.

My point is: some bodybuilders (Prince, Wheeler, Munzer, and Long too by the looks of it) should not be bodybuilding because they have personalities which lead to wreckless behaviour which can (or did) result in health problems or death.  But does Momo deserve to be on this list?  I'm asking if what he did was just out of character behaviour.  If I had overdosed that night (which would have been physically impossible, not that I knew it at the time), it would have been very out of character.  I'm not a wreckless person in general, and I'm asking if Momo was or was not.

not impossible you can OD on one hit of E  i have seen it happen numerous times and yes it was really E cause about 10 othe rpeople wer eon it

[240 is Back]

If I had overdosed that night (which would have been physically impossible

Two hits of E could kill ya if its in the cards.  50 mg or 300 mg?  reliable source or chance of getting a bad shot?  You also could have had a seizure which would have sucked.

[tommywishbone]

"... pure MDMA..." mmmm

[240 is Back]

yeah, statistically it probably won't.  i'd be more concerned with getting a bad dose than a regular dose killing me.  when i was younger, a friend of mine smoked some 'stress weed' and fell over dead of heart failure.  i have no clue what was mixed in with it, but it made me very aware of chem purity issues.

[Lift Studios]

I can respect drug dealers who make an effort to be socially responsible and sell what they are supposed to be selling.

I know drug dealers who are both completely irresponsible about it and completely responsible about it.  Only the former are harming society.

Wow, your parents must be proud.

[natural al]

Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake?  Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times.  I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die.  I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better.  It was out of character for me.  As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?

no, I think Momo died because he held that condition for a few weeks on end.  He died on the Euro tour following the O so he had to hold his condition for along time.  I also remember reading that his skin was all clammy and someone commented that while most guys look "hard" momo was actually hard like a piece of wood to the touch...and cold.  Maybe he couldn't see the forest from the tree's but he had to know something was not right.

[Slick Vic]

Something doesn't look right in that first pic on the right shoulder. 

[natural al]

Something doesn't look right in that first pic on the right shoulder. 

he always had real freaky delts...even back when he won the nationals which was pre synthol....

[MikeThaMachine]

I know drug dealers who are both completely irresponsible about it and completely responsible about it.  Only the former are harming society.

I know people who have cut people off strictly due to the fact that they were getting out of control with shit (and later stop selling the "stuff") because they just wanted to make money, not fuck up peoples lives. Most people don't realize that some dealers have codes of "ethics"  like informing any customers fully about what they are buying/taking, not selling to kids or junkies but rather friends and acquaintances who are responsible which in turn makes them less likely to get caught with/on shit and then snitch.

[Slick Vic]

he always had real freaky delts...even back when he won the nationals which was pre synthol....

Yeah, I guess. That's what I was thinking it was - synthol.

[divcom]

Wow, your parents must be proud.

Wow....your folks must be proud...liftticket.  You build sites for some individuals who move illegal stuff.  As far as Don goes...if I received a donor heart...I wouldnt be out doing s##t to get heart diease.  He owes his sister one. In this case forget the bbing dream.  Put it in an old shoe box and forget about it.     

[body88]

Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake?  Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times.  I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die.  I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better.  It was out of character for me.  As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?

I dunno. You make a good point. But momo had to know all the shit he was doing could kill him. Him and Munzer just seemed to go out of control. With the amount of shit some of these guys take one would think they have to be mentally unstable. I know all guys do not to massive amounts of drugs. But if you do enough shit to melt your internal organs I think there is a problem.

[Van_Bilderass]

He does not look clean in the least! Did he not claim to be doing this 100% clean?!!

[legbreaker]

Normally, I would never wish ill health on anyone. But when someone shows such contempt for the value of their own life, it's very tempting.

Ribo, I understand what your saying but don't agree.  I know people that have family, jobs, money, health, etc and are still miserable and are living on anti depressant drugs and stuff.  These people couldn't find true happiness and show an appreciation for life if it hit em in the fuckin head.
Don is doing what he loves.  What he has always loved.  He is showing a TRUE appreciation for the life he has been giving and is making the most of it.  Not many people can say they do that. 
I wish him the best!!!!!!!!!  People that face adversity and forge through are an inspiration to me personally.  Life aint perfect and easy for everyone and it's only up to yourself to make the best of it.  I'd like to line up all the rich, soft, pathetic rich kids I know that whine, complain and bitch all fuckin day long and smack em each in the head.......but they'd sue.       

[sarcasm]

It would derail this thread way too much in order for me to debate why drugs should be fully legalized and controlled.

People will use drugs no matter what the law says.  Legalization or lack thereof has little effect on demand or use.

It's only fitting for me to use bodybuilding as an example and even Don Long for that matter.  Clearly law and his health didn't effect his decision to use drugs in any manner at all.  I can only hope that he is at least using what he thinks he's using and doses and drug types are accurate.

Wouldn't it be so simple if telling people to stop doing drugs actually works?  Well, it doesn't work so it's time for us as a society to formulate a more progressive model.  Jailing perfectly moral and productive citizens for being caught with a gram of coke does nothing but harm for society.  Creating an underground black market where the purity of drugs is not certain and criminal activity is funded does nothing but harm for society.  Spending money on law enforcement as it relates to drug use does nothing but harm for society.

Understand that people will do drugs no matter what the law says.

I plan on doing steroids sometimes in the future and do you honestly think I care in any way at all about what the law says?  Jail me for five years for all I care - I will do whatever I want to my own body.  This attitude is very prevalent (as it should be).

you're making too much sense, you should run for office but in this country that would mean you would have to pledge undying loyalty to Israel.

[Lift Studios]

MONSTER SOAPBOX

Announcing to the world that you intend on committing a felony - MONSTER STUPIDITY

[Disgusted]

igf-1 and growth hormaone can activate dormint cancer cells      definitly not defending either  guy  or kncoking either one just letting you know 

Really? How do you know this?

[Van_Bilderass]

MONSTER SOAPBOX

Announcing to the world that you intend on committing a felony - MONSTER STUPIDITY

Isn't Matt C in Canada? I think the law is quite a bit more lax there.

[Woten]

that would mean you would have to pledge undying loyalty to Israel.

By buying copius E's, I think he has already done that

[MikeThaMachine]

MONSTER SOAPBOX

Announcing to the world that you intend on committing a felony - MONSTER STUPIDITY

Fuck You, Fuck The Law and Fuck Anyone That Gets In The Way.

This is a subject in which many of us could debate longer then the Dorian vs. Ronnie thread but to make my point i agree with much Matt C has stated and i see nothing wrong with talking about your use or future use of any drug. Unless your a junkie/addict there is nothing wrong with recreational drug use.

[Lift Studios]

Perhaps you should listen to the legal episode on muscleradio.com and hear what Rick Collins had to say before you get too high and mighty on a message board.

Don Long is simply trying to compete one more time and you're blaming him for keeping drugs illegal.  WTF - Dude put the reefer down and come join us in reality.

[davidpaul]

Matt have you tried crystal meth like our bro mcfarland?

[Lift Studios]

See - I'm a smart guy. I've been educated and been through the system and I'm intelligent enough to know that me stating my intentions of using steroids is not enough for any sane law enforcement agent to spend thousands of dollars on an investigation to break down my door and find nothing in my house.

I know how the government works and I know what's up and I know that there is nothing I've said here which can get me in trouble.  However: even if it COULD, I would still say it, because I feel very strongly about my personal freedom to take any drug I choose.  I wouldn't let law stop me as I mentioned previously, although it is irrelevant in this post because I said nothing which could incriminate me.

Titus said similar things along the way...

[240 is Back]

I have never smoked weed or used any drugs in my life outside of caffeine.  I do feel there are merits in the legalization argument.  I think society will suffer - the loss of productivity will outweigh the tax/societal benefits. 

Your friend - the good drug dealer - I would argue your point if and only if the guy 1) only sold to ppl over 21, and 2) paid taxes like the rest of us.  I have to write a check to HR block now.  So should he.