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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Men's Physique Board => Topic started by: stuntmovie1 on March 22, 2015, 06:35:12 PM
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It's somewhat interesting to watch HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF!
But not too very many years ago a small amount of ancient people were extremely outspoken about the very few males who stood on stage to display their hard gained physique in something that was referred to as a "BODYBUILDING CONTEST'".
Some of these offended individuals were even somewhat outraged that such an event was conducted within the somewhat Vistorian boundaries of the good old USA.
But bodybuilding was something that the majority of US citizens knew nothing about .... so there were very few who were offended.
But body building grew and those 'very few' soon grew to massive numbers!
But by then it was too damn late to complain because too damn many accepted the display of increased muscle mass even though it was somewhat reluctantly appreciated by the masses.
But the passing of time forced a change!
Tt took a while and it took a lot of effort by a mere handful of bodybuilding pioneers who could be counted on the fingers of one closed fist.
The so called bodybuilding event that caused numerous complaints .... now produced acceptance with a limited capacity of growing fans.
History does repeat itself .... and this relatively new Physique division proves it without a doubt.
At first Physique events were unacceptable if this GetBig Board is a reliable representative of the international population.
But regardless of our non-acceptance, it has grown beyond anyone's expectations and will continue to do so even though we think it won't.
And such was the history within the world of bodybuilding. And Physique follows suit.
The majority despised it, but it grew and it became very popular.
And most of you GetBiggers might even agree, even though you may hate to do so .... but this thing we call Physique competition will keep on growing beyond anyone's expectations.
It may be wise to call it the bodybuilding event for the common man.
But it's gonna turn out to be more than that .....
Someone once said that it's only possible to see the future by looking at the past.
In this case..... A past which most GetBiggers know nothing about ..... even though it's as plain as the nose on _____?_____ face.
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It's somewhat interesting to watch HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF!
But not too very many years ago a small amount of ancient people were extremely outspoken about the very few males who stood on stage to display their hard gained physique in something that was referred to as a "BODYBUILDING CONTEST'".
Some of these offended individuals were even somewhat outraged that such an event was conducted within the somewhat Vistorian boundaries of the good old USA.
But bodybuilding was something that the majority of US citizens knew nothing about .... so there were very few who were offended.
But body building grew and those 'very few' soon grew to massive numbers!
But by then it was too damn late to complain because too damn many accepted the display of increased muscle mass even though it was somewhat reluctantly appreciated by the masses.
But the passing of time forced a change!
Tt took a while and it took a lot of effort by a mere handful of bodybuilding pioneers who could be counted on the fingers of one closed fist.
The so called bodybuilding event that caused numerous complaints .... now produced acceptance with a limited capacity of growing fans.
History does repeat itself .... and this relatively new Physique division proves it without a doubt.
At first Physique events were unacceptable if this GetBig Board is a reliable representative of the international population.
But regardless of our non-acceptance, it has grown beyond anyone's expectations and will continue to do so even though we think it won't.
And such was the history within the world of bodybuilding. And Physique follows suit.
The majority despised it, but it grew and it became very popular.
And most of you GetBiggers might even agree, even though you may hate to do so .... but this thing we call Physique competition will keep on growing beyond anyone's expectations.
It may be wise to call it the bodybuilding event for the common man.
But it's gonna turn out to be more than that .....
Someone once said that it's only possible to see the future by looking at the past.
In this case..... A past which most GetBiggers know nothing about ..... even though it's as plain as the nose on _____?_____ face.
Great post Stunt.... I think a lot of young Guys now want more the muscular athletic look. not against the mass beasts but i find it better being all round fit, nimble and fluid.
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No... Fact is its just easier!!!! By 50% fuck, how hard is it to train, back, arms, and chest. 2 workouts a week! Would lose all desire to go to the gym. Shorts down to your ankles onstage ::) O brother. O' and can they wear them any lower ? It's a pube show for shmoes! Prepare to get assaulted by Physique guys in 5,4,3.. Lol, I answered my own question. Pants are so low and sliding off because of lack of any glute or lower body muscle! Hell, just wear some nice jeans... Seriously.
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No... Fact is its just easier!!!! By 50% fuck, how hard is it to train, back, arms, and chest. 2 workouts a week! Would lose all desire to go to the gym. Shorts down to your ankles onstage ::) O brother. O' and can they wear them any lower ? It's a pube show for shmoes! Prepare to get assaulted by Physique guys in 5,4,3..
The hard part for me would be not training legs. It is what I enjoy the most.
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Ditto, Primemuscle. Legs and Deads!
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Ditto, Primemuscle. Legs and Deads!
Deads for hams?
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And I will agree that the young bucks coming up, barely know about BB, so can't really blame them. What I do like about the Physique situation, is that it is like the days when Arnold said, everyone was friends, and hung out together, trained together. That enthusiasm for the most part. ( not all ) is missing from BB. It's just you. Well, maybe your training partner. Unless you are at a gym that is mostly BBs. These gyms seem to be a dying breed. However, won't stop me from training my whole body, power BB style. Love muscular legs, thickness, power, muscular thick back. To each his own I guess. They do bring energy to out cult sport. Which I do like. It seems to be a movement, and a smart move by the NPC creating it and the Bikini division. They are making a lot of money! Entry fees, expos, etc..
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Primemuscle : Actually you must be a newb. Because primarily Deads for a thick back. But anyone who Deads hard will get many benefits to their legs and yes (Hams!) ever try " Sumo Deads?" They nail your hams! You have a lot to learn newb. But then again you will probably never do Deads, so you will never know that they benefit your hams, and your entire body! Fact! ::)
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And I will agree that the young bucks coming up, barely know about BB, so can't really blame them. What I do like about the Physique situation, is that it is like the days when Arnold said, everyone was friends, and hung out together, trained together. That enthusiasm for the most part. ( not all ) is missing from BB. It's just you. Well, maybe your training partner. Unless you are at a gym that is mostly BBs. These gyms seem to be a dying breed. However, won't stop me from training my whole body, power BB style. Love muscular legs, thickness, power, muscular thick back. To each his own I guess. They do bring energy to out cult sport. Which I do like. It seems to be a movement, and a smart move by the NPC creating it and the Bikini division. They are making a lot of money! Entry fees, expos, etc..
Yes....in many of the photos of Arnold at the gym with his workout buddies, you see a lot of camaraderie that is rare these days. Everyone looked like they were actually enjoying themselves and having fun while building muscle and harassing each other. I worked out with Mike Christian at Matt Dishman in Portland, OR a long time ago. He lifted crazy amounts of weight and looked amazing. He was friendly with everyone and always open to a little coaching advice. Which in those days, I really appreciated and needed.
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That's if you are not one of those ego dead lifters, who drive the weight up and just " SLAM IT DOWN " for everyone to hear? Not controlling it. We see this all the time, and of course these guys have no muscle!
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Primemuscle : Actually you must be a newb. Because primarily Deads for a thick back. But anyone who Deads hard will get many benefits to their legs and yes (Hams!) ever try " Sumo Deads?" They nail your hams! You have a lot to learn newb. But then again you will probably never do Deads, so you will never know that they benefit your hams, and your entire body! Fact! ::)
Not exactly a newbie. I have been lifting since I was 16 years old. This summer, I will be 71 years old. I know all the benefits of deads. I was just asking why you do them. As you might guess, I am a leg man. These days though I am not doing deads much for hams. I like reverse hacks. They are easier on the back. My back is for shit these days.
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That's if you are not one of those ego dead lifters, who drive the weight up and just " SLAM IT DOWN " for everyone to hear? Not controlling it. We see this all the time, and of course these guys have no muscle!
Everything I do today is for exercise and fitness. I'm could care less about impressing a bunch of strangers with what I can lift (which is puny weights compared to what I lifted in my prime). I concentrate on form and controlled movements, not so much on poundage.
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If that were true? You would not have said... " Deads for Hams?) you have given away your inexperience right there. Keep doing what your doing Physique dude! Get some Knowledge from a non meathead Bodybuilder! :o
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I'm picturing you in the ( Crossfit ) fail videos on YouTube.
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I'm out of this thread. Take care.
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If that were true? You would not have said... " Deads for Hams?) you have given away your inexperience right there. Keep doing what your doing Physique dude! Get some Knowledge from a non meathead Bodybuilder! :o
Believe what you choose. What I write is the truth, whether you think so or not.
I'd have to be a complete idiot to be inexperienced after working out for 54 years. However, this doesn't mean I can't pickup something new every once in a while. Weight training/bodybuilding has changed over all these years. When I started out most folks were doing 3 sets of 10 reps for pretty much everything. We've learned that there are better routines than that since the 60's.
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Ok, just before I leave. You cannot equate 54 years as ( EXPERIENCED) you could have started a year ago, 10 years ago? Doesn't matter how old you are. It's how much knowledge you have gained? No one said you have to lift heavy. I was just pointing out to you that Deadlifting does hit your Hams as well as your whole body. So if you have been doing it so long, you would have known this! Don't throw around age. It has nothing to do with how long you have been training correctly. I see many older guys who never learned correctly and do everything wrong. So your point is moot!! Good luck though .
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Ok, just before I leave. You cannot equate 54 years as ( EXPERIENCED) you could have started a year ago, 10 years ago? Doesn't matter how old you are. It's how much knowledge you have gained? No one said you have to lift heavy. I was just pointing out to you that Deadlifting does hit your Hams as well as your whole body. So if you have been doing it so long, you would have known this! Don't throw around age. It has nothing to do with how long you have been training correctly. I see many older guys who never learned correctly and do everything wrong. So your point is moot!! Good luck though .
You took me too seriously. I was just making conversation when I posted the question about deadlifts for hams and I wasn't asking for myself. Some folks think they mainly work your back. Actually, I only occasionally do deadlifts and I don't go particularly heavy. My spine is messed up enough from arthritis and disk compression.
You jumped to a conclusion. That's usually not a great move.
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Primemuscle: " That's not a great move ?" ::) I will tell you what is not a great move. You speaking about something you know nothing about! That's right. I'm in your head. Do not try and back track now because I knew exactly what you meant.... Deadlifts for Hams? Yes look back, as that was your exact quote! Do not now try and pass it off as you meant the younger dudes might not know? Give me a break. I told you, that I'm already in your head. Shall I expound a bit? It's quite simple really. I know (EXACTLY) what you meant, and you know it too! The "Question Mark " ( ? ) after the comment was your way off saying why would anyone do deadlifts for hamstrings? You know I'm right, so don't try and pass it off as you knew when I said they nail your hamstrings that you knew it too? Because you did not. In actuality, you did not know. I'm smarter than that, and you are not dealing with a kid. You got busted, and you are now backtracking! "Thats usually not a great move" :o
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Primemuscle: " That's not a great move ?" ::) I will tell you what is not a great move. You speaking about something you know nothing about! That's right. I'm in your head. Do not try and back track now because I knew exactly what you meant.... Deadlifts for abs? Yes look back, as that was your exact quote! Do not now try and pass it off as you meant the younger dudes might not know? Give me a break. I told you, that I'm already in your head. Shall I expound a bit? It's quite simple really. I know (EXACTLY) what you meant, and you know it too! The "Question Mark " ( ? ) after the comment was your way off saying why would anyone do deadlifts for hamstrings? You know I'm right, so don't try and pass it off as you knew when I said they nail your hamstrings that you knew it too? Because you did not. In actuality, you did not know. I'm smarter than that, and you are not dealing with a kid. You got busted, and you are now backtracking! "Thats usually not a great move" :o
No offense, but you are full of shit. You are not in my head and you never will be.
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Primemuscle: " That's not a great move ?" ::) I will tell you what is not a great move. You speaking about something you know nothing about! That's right. I'm in your head. Do not try and back track now because I knew exactly what you meant.... Deadlifts for Hams? Yes look back, as that was your exact quote! Do not now try and pass it off as you meant the younger dudes might not know? Give me a break. I told you, that I'm already in your head. Shall I expound a bit? It's quite simple really. I know (EXACTLY) what you meant, and you know it too! The "Question Mark " ( ? ) after the comment was your way off saying why would anyone do deadlifts for hamstrings? You know I'm right, so don't try and pass it off as you knew when I said they nail your hamstrings that you knew it too? Because you did not. In actuality, you did not know. I'm smarter than that, and you are not dealing with a kid. You got busted, and you are now backtracking! "Thats usually not a great move" :o
No offense, but you are full of shit. You are not in my head and you never will be. I might be in yours though. You really seem to enjoy being antagonistic. Guess what? It's not working. Save it for someone else.
BTW, I thought you said you were leaving.
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Like I said, " I'm in your head " I knew you would post again with some lame excuse. Knew I would be right. As you see, I'm in your head. Not trying to be antagonistic. I just caught you backtracking. If you are not going to admit it? It's fine. :)
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I'm actually impressed if you are really 70, and still lifting? I will be lucky if I can lift my wheel chair at 70. You win. Respect.
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I'm actually impressed if you are really 70, and still lifting? I will be lucky if I can lift my wheel chair at 70. You win. Respect.
I am really 70 years old, going to be 71 in August. I admit that I don't hoist the poundages I once did. I am also small compared to my peak which was when I was 29. Actually, I'm at the same weight now that I was at 18 years old and I am fine with only weighing 185 lbs. Being lean and old is far better then being fat and old. Also I wasn't kidding when I said I've weight trained for a very long time, starting at 16. Of course I've had a few vacations from the gym, but I always go back.
As for hams, I prefer reverse hack squats on the hack squat machine. These days, because of arthritis in my hands, I rely a lot on machines as opposed to free weights. To stretch my hams out, I do either weight free toe touches or good mornings with light weight across my shoulders.
I have sciatica, which is the result of a compressed spine and which pinches the sciatic nerve. I'm hoping steroid injections directly into the spine will relieve the symptoms. Maybe because of this, I tend to "baby" my spine when it comes to lifting.
I'm no bodybuilder, especially not these days. I am just a fairly fit old fart. My waist measurement is also the same as it was when I was 18, at 32".
Sorry for going off on you in the previous post, but you seemed to be trolling me.
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No, it's all good. Too much respect has to be given here. Let me ask you, have you ever had any serious injuries in all your years of lifting? Sounds like you have not?
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I've screwed up my shoulders a few times by trying to lift too heavy. I'm a slow learner. Fortunately, I didn't mess them up so bad that it required surgery to fix them like some of my gym buddies have. I laid off the overhead presses for awhile until they got better. I've since learned that with delt exercises lighter weight are actually more effective at building muscle. It seems to be a trend at the gym where I work out.
It's not a gym related thing, but I had knee surgery about two years ago to try and fix a torn meniscus. It wasn't completely successful which was my fault. I was not supposed to bear weight on it for 6 weeks. The first day home, my wife fell. I had no choice but to put weight on that leg to help her get upright. It was that or call 911. I also wasn't that good with the crutches. I may have to have it worked on again, but I am hoping it will get better on it's own someday. We old folks don't always heal as well as you youngsters.
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In an effort to get back on topic, I'd like to offer some comments that may also be back OFF topic ... but which are very noticeable to myself and possibly even PRIME who has been lifting since the god old days of yore.
In an effort to show that 'nothing has changed' and that history repeats itself when it comes to lifting heavy things, I gotta offer the following.
Back in the 1950's there were numerous adverse comments directed towards most anyone who lifted 'heavy things' to get in shape or to go the distance and look big and muscular and as ripped as possible.
Even so called 'fitness experts' and coaches and just about every mom and dad with teen-aged sons was convinced that lifting heavy things would make you 'muscle-bound' and therefor unable to excel within any physical activity.
This was the so called 'common knowledge' among all the so called experts within the athletic empire .... including coaches, doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs.
So those who lifted heavy things for any reason at all were referred to as
something that they were not.
The terms "gay" or "fag" or similar adverse terms were relatively unknown back then so those who lifted heavy things on a regular basis were referred to as "assholes" or "wierd-oos" and rejected according to the modes of the mid-20th century society.
And the competitive bodybuilders of the 1950's were the 'weirdest individuals imaginable' and would soon be referred to as a bunch of assholes which eventually graduated to terms of a more adverse nature.
But then a guy name KENNEDY came on the scene and encouraged the US population top get in shape .... so things began to change and bodybuilding as we knew it back then grew beyond anyone's imagination and became somewhat acceptable
But not entirely ... mainly due to the fact hat people who are not in shape like to castrate those who are. (Kinda)
And as I said earlier ... History repeats itself.
Today's Physique contenders are yesterday's boduybuildes and the complaints and derogatory statements and unacceptability have returned in a way that is similar to the way things used to be within he world of lifting heavy things over 60 years ago.
Maybe PRIME will agree. Maybe he won't ..... but that's the way I have been seeing it.
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In an effort to get back on topic, I'd like to offer some comments that may also be back OFF topic ... but which are very noticeable to myself and possibly even PRIME who has been lifting since the god old days of yore.
In an effort to show that 'nothing has changed' and that history repeats itself when it comes to lifting heavy things, I gotta offer the following.
Back in the 1950's there were numerous adverse comments directed towards most anyone who lifted 'heavy things' to get in shape or to go the distance and look big and muscular and as ripped as possible.
Even so called 'fitness experts' and coaches and just about every mom and dad with teen-aged sons was convinced that lifting heavy things would make you 'muscle-bound' and therefor unable to excel within any physical activity.
This was the so called 'common knowledge' among all the so called experts within the athletic empire .... including coaches, doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs.
So those who lifted heavy things for any reason at all were referred to as
something that they were not.
The terms "gay" or "fag" or similar adverse terms were relatively unknown back then so those who lifted heavy things on a regular basis were referred to as "assholes" or "wierd-oos" and rejected according to the modes of the mid-20th century society.
And the competitive bodybuilders of the 1950's were the 'weirdest individuals imaginable' and would soon be referred to as a bunch of assholes which eventually graduated to terms of a more adverse nature.
But then a guy name KENNEDY came on the scene and encouraged the US population top get in shape .... so things began to change and bodybuilding as we knew it back then grew beyond anyone's imagination and became somewhat acceptable
But not entirely ... mainly due to the fact hat people who are not in shape like to castrate those who are. (Kinda)
And as I said earlier ... History repeats itself.
Today's Physique contenders are yesterday's boduybuildes and the complaints and derogatory statements and unacceptability have returned in a way that is similar to the way things used to be within he world of lifting heavy things over 60 years ago.
Maybe PRIME will agree. Maybe he won't ..... but that's the way I have been seeing it.
Overall, I agree with your assessment of mid-century opinions about bodybuilding. I don't remember bodybuilders being called assholes, but many people though muscle bound dudes were just big dumb lugs. Women were hardly involved in bodybuilding for themselves but some women liked how bodybuilders looked and some did not.
Fortunately for me, I have never given in to what others think even when it is mainstream thinking. I like to believe I have always been an independent thinker. I needed to get into bodybuilding when I was a kid to outgrow my skinny twink like self and feel more manly, so I did. It stuck and it has paid off in exceptionally good health and being much more fit then most folks my age.
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PRIME, Thanks for your response.
I used the term "assholes" as a general term how the general public felt about anyone with a decent amount of muscle back then and in some form of effort to show the general feeling that some GetBig members display regarding their regards to these relatively new Physique contenders and the event in general.
Like you, I was also a skinny twink; but we lived close to Golden Gate Park and and I was an avid tree climber as a little kid which allowed me to be the strongest kid during my grammar and high school days and had the opportunity to be a member of one of the better athlete training centers in that Bay Area so I got into lifting weights with total dedication.
And while in Quantico I was one of four Manines who was picked to run the obstacle course on behalf of some visiting US political figures and just kept lifting heavy stuff throughout my lifetime .... meeting and working with some of the top people in the game during the process.
I'll end this by simply stating that this relatively new NPC Physique Division was a very wise move and will open a lot of opportunities for the newest breed of folks who train to stay in decent shape regardless of the criticism from those who don't.
Thanks, Prine.
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PRIME, Thanks for your response.
I used the term "assholes" as a general term how the general public felt about anyone with a decent amount of muscle back then and in some form of effort to show the general feeling that some GetBig members display regarding their regards to these relatively new Physique contenders and the event in general.
Like you, I was also a skinny twink; but we lived close to Golden Gate Park and and I was an avid tree climber as a little kid which allowed me to be the strongest kid during my grammar and high school days and had the opportunity to be a member of one of the better athlete training centers in that Bay Area so I got into lifting weights with total dedication.
And while in Quantico I was one of four Manines who was picked to run the obstacle course on behalf of some visiting US political figures and just kept lifting heavy stuff throughout my lifetime .... meeting and working with some of the top people in the game during the process.
I'll end this by simply stating that this relatively new NPC Physique Division was a very wise move and will open a lot of opportunities for the newest breed of folks who train to stay in decent shape regardless of the criticism from those who don't.
Thanks, Prine.
It is interesting to learn what inspires folks to go into bodybuilding. Without a doubt, the 98 lb. weakling humiliatingly getting sand kicked in his face is what inspired a lot of young men to start lifting.
What I've discovered via my grandsons is that many guys in their later teens are skinny and that it is often only a temporary transition into manhood. I've witnessed one of my grandson's go from twink to man over the last year. He will be 18 years old in May. He's a bit soft, but he's definitely filled out.
My fear was that both my parents were skinny. My father was 6' 5" tall and weighed 175 lbs. Granted he had really long legs, but legs are a big portion of one's weight. My mom was always fashion model thin at 5' 8". I just couldn't imagine having a manly looking physique without some help. I turned to ABS and weight training to overcome what I imagined was inevitable. Fortunately, I tend to do everything in moderation. Today I am a moderately lean an fit old fart.
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PRIME, Thanks for your response.
I used the term "assholes" as a general term how the general public felt about anyone with a decent amount of muscle back then and in some form of effort to show the general feeling that some GetBig members display regarding their regards to these relatively new Physique contenders and the event in general.
Like you, I was also a skinny twink; but we lived close to Golden Gate Park and and I was an avid tree climber as a little kid which allowed me to be the strongest kid during my grammar and high school days and had the opportunity to be a member of one of the better athlete training centers in that Bay Area so I got into lifting weights with total dedication.
And while in Quantico I was one of four Manines who was picked to run the obstacle course on behalf of some visiting US political figures and just kept lifting heavy stuff throughout my lifetime .... meeting and working with some of the top people in the game during the process.
I'll end this by simply stating that this relatively new NPC Physique Division was a very wise move and will open a lot of opportunities for the newest breed of folks who train to stay in decent shape regardless of the criticism from those who don't.
Thanks, Prine.
yes a good post...bring back the real Physiques that a young man can imagine attainable
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Thanks, DONNY!
This one's for HOWARD who has obviously judged a good number of NPC contests.
I've judged a good number of NPC events as well as a good number of Olympic Lifting and Powerlifting events, but I 'retired' just prior to the very intelligent NPC and IFBB sanctioning of Physique events and I will be outspoken and give the judges a lot of credit.
I say this because I personally feel that there is a lot of confusion within my own mind regarding the difference between AMATEUR bodybuilders and AMATEUR physique competitors.
At the one big physique event that I personally saw, some of the better known bodybuilding pros made comments such as , "He should have entered the bodybuilding contest! He will not do good as a physique competitor!"
So my question is, what is the fine line or distinction between a great amateur physique contender and a good amateur bodybuilder. Are the judges required to make a decision that such and such a competitor is too muscular to compete as a physique contender? And what is the basis for that decision?
And is it remotely possible that someday the physique contenders will be the bodybuilders of the future?
If there is any interest regarding this subject I'm gonna post some photos of competitors who I think could compete either as a physique contender or a bodybuilding contender and let you GetBiggers decide.
I wil say that I do know some top physique contenders who compete outside of the NPC/IFBB whom I personally think would do better financially as IFBB contenders. Such as Jaco De Bruyn (South Africa) and Sergi Constance (SPAIN). (Spelling may be wrong.)
This may open a can of arguments which would be interesting to argue or agree with.
Other than that ... all is well!
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I would go as far as to say physique is partially responsible for the less-aesthetic era of modern bodybuilders we see today...about how they play the "size game"...As mens physique competitors are seemingly turning more and more into "bigger guys" slowly and slowly...That evogen guy is not a small guy by any means and looks more like a bodybuilder in off-seaosn..This causes the bar to raise for the common top bodybuilder..to get BIGGER as aesthetics are fit more for the PHYSIQUE category.....Bodybuidler s needed something to seperate themselves...
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Thanks, David.
i don't know if the following may be associated with the comment you made above, but there is some talk about a new bodybuilding/physique division that would fall somewhat in between the current bodybuilding and physique divisions.
Nothing official .... just rumors coming from some of the competitors..........
Some feel that there is a fine line between amateur bodybuilding competitions and amateur and/or professional physique competitions ... and I've heard comments made by some of the know-it-alls up front that this or that competitor should have entered the bodybuilding contest instead of the physique event.
And some competitors have difficulty in deciding which event to enter ... bodybuilding or physique?
And I am almost positive that physique judges have the "too much muscle thought" in mind when judging physique contests.
I'm sure that this question regarding which event to enter is being considered by Sergi Constance who is a world champion physique contender and has recently entered and won NPC amateur physique contests in So Cal.
Sergi has the type of build that could do well in either or both events .... physique or bodybuilding.
And here are most likely many other competitors who could do likewise.
So it's somewhat remotely possible that a new division may be initiated that would fall between bodybuilding and physique events for competitors who could de well in either event.
Here's is a shot of Sergi Constance..... one of the world's top rated physique competitors
In your opinion .... should he compete as a physique competitor or bodybuilding competitor?
And .....do you think there is a remote possibility of a new division?
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Thanks, David.
i don't know if the following may be associated with the comment you made above, but there is some talk about a new bodybuilding/physique division that would fall somewhat in between the current bodybuilding and physique divisions.
Nothing official .... just rumors coming from some of the competitors..........
Some feel that there is a fine line between amateur bodybuilding competitions and amateur and/or professional physique competitions ... and I've heard comments made by some of the know-it-alls up front that this or that competitor should have entered the bodybuilding contest instead of the physique event.
And some competitors have difficulty in deciding which event to enter ... bodybuilding or physique?
And I am almost positive that physique judges have the "too much muscle thought" in mind when judging physique contests.
I'm sure that this question regarding which event to enter is being considered by Sergi Constance who is a world champion physique contender and has recently entered and won NPC amateur physique contests in So Cal.
Sergi has the type of build that could do well in either or both events .... physique or bodybuilding.
And here are most likely many other competitors who could do likewise.
So it's somewhat remotely possible that a new division may be initiated that would fall between bodybuilding and physique events for competitors who could de well in either event.
Here's is a shot of Sergi Constance..... one of the world's top rated physique competitors
In your opinion .... should he compete as a physique competitor or bodybuilding competitor?
And .....do you think there is a remote possibility of a new division?
This whole category of sport i.e fitness, bodybuilding, bikini etc is not popular enough to already be creating a new category...You have to look at the cost to effect ratio and weigh the benefits of being able to do so...Because if theres one thing we know...Money comes before fairness in this industry..So where it might make sense to create something in between the two or a purgatory so-to-speak lol,, it may not directly benefit the people who would have to take the time to create it...The crowds would have to come...For these reasons i can't see a new thing happening anytime soon..Or at least until this category of sports blows up further and calls for it...Maybe if you were able to gather enough people and get a big enough following to enforce it...You would be able to possibly accomplish this...Good thing about this category of sports is that it's easier to have your voice heard because it's a smaller demographic...So if you gather a good amount of paying customers they have no choice but to hear your voices...I'm not talking 10's or 100's though...I'm talking at least thousands...
As for Sergi...I think he can continue to excel in the physique division as good genetics is really the whole thing in physique...I know this for a fact....If they want a small waist and you genetically have 35 in. waist...No matter what drugs you take you aren't going to beat the sergis of the world...You aren't going to beat the seids of the world (even though i hate jeff this is a good example) so for sergi to enter bodybuilding...He's going to have to put on size first and foremost...Keep in mind there are alot of bodybuilders who if they lost some size would be able to dominate physique but don't...So sergi deals with people with similar good genetics when he transitions with more size...sure he could excel in a certain weightclass but at what cost?? That is not really half as good as being a top physique competitor in the world?? In reality i'm not a big fan of him because he claims natural...And has enough of a following to make alot of people stupid....So i'm not gonna really elaborate further...he could do decent in bodybuilding but he would NEVER have the same reputation he does in physique...
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DAVID, Thanks for your interesting and intelligent response.
I may not agree 100% but I'd like to add the following to your "cost to effect ratio and weigh the benefits ....".
A couple of weeks ago I had a short discussion with a local NPC event promoter and I asked him what he thought about the future of promoting professional PHYSIQUE contests.
"Professional" meaning a physique contest for these new IFBB Physique contenders who have entered the IFBB ranks within the past few years.
We then proceeded to discuss the financial difficulties of promoting an IFBB Pro Physique contest mainly due to the fact that IFBB professionals receive financial "benefits" which do not apply to the amateur contenders.
Plus the IFBB sanction fee
We did not go into detail here but I believe the professional Physique contenders receive travel pay to the event and hotel room expenses ...
but I could be entirely wrong regarding this nowadays, but I do know that it is considerably more expensive for the promoter to promote a IFBB Pro event than for a promoter to promote an amateur contest whereby the contenders pay all their own expenses plus entry feee, etc. etc.
So I'm guessing that it might cost around $20,000+++ (a pretty low estimate) if a promoter planned to promote an IFBB Professional Physique contest.
I'll be making a couple of phone calls to see how accurate the above estimates are.
And until Physique event interest grows even bigger than it is today,
it appears that it would be difficult to make an IFBB Pro Physique event profitable for the promoter.
But, I believe that the NPC/IFBB is interested in keeping current IFBB Pros and future IFBB Pros as active members each and every year .... so the above may be under serious consideration as we speak.
Pros do not maintain their IFBB membership unless the proverbial carrot on a stick is offered because pros no longer compete for plastic trophies.
More thoughts on this subject forthcoming if there is any interest.
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It's been a while since I visited this 'site' but since my last visit Classic Physique (I think it's called that now) has been added to the NPC lineup of events.
And it's about time that myself and others add some Phisique contender shots to this post.
Here's a contender whom I mentioned earlier in one of the major topics up that high above who would did well in the recent NPC portion of the North American Bodybuilding Championships by winning the bodybuilding heavyweight class .... but just might have difficulties placing within he money as an IFBB Pro Bodybuilder simply due to the fact that he just ain't massive enough.
And there could exist a remote possibility that he has too much muscle to do well within an IFBB physique event.
I think he could do well in boyh by gaining muscle mass and competing as a pro-bodybuilder during the odd numbered years and competing as a pro physique contender during the even numbered year.
And it's also remotely possible that there are a good number of others contenders who could do likewise or are presently considering the possibility of doing so.
Here's Chris Bumstead when he received his IFBB Pro card by winning the heavywt class at the 2016 North America Championships.
If there are others whom you believe would do well with an IFFPro Bodybuilding contest as well as an IFBB Pro Physique event .... feel free to contribute here.
I'll see if I can add more over the next few days.
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My best bet for this weekend's 2017 IFBB Olympia PHYSIQUE top three outcome ..... (Or is it now Classic Bodybuilding? I'm in the process of catching up!)
BUENDIA
POSTON
TERRY
But judging by their photos (see below) I'd pick Poston as the overall.
I think I may be overlooking Sadik Hadzovic but I don't know enough about current Physique comps so I'll just sit back and see how it turns out.
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Photos of Buendia, Poston, and Terry .... (See comment above)
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Another most noteworthy contender in this year's Olympia Classic Physique is SADIK HADZOVIK.
Some insiders (no IFBB officials) claim that he will be the overall winner.
But they may be overlooking DANNY HESTER!!!
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thank you so much for sharing this topic......will you tell me plz ....if any injury occured while lifting?
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It's been a while since I visited this section of this GetBig Board and here's my attempt to keep it updated as much as possible which is impossible since I do not follow Physique nor Classic Physique to be any expert on the subect.
There are always competitive rumor floating around the gym but one such rumor may become an actuality at next year's Olympia Physique competitions. (Will a Classic Physique event even be held during the 2017Olympia?)
Most rumors are mostly bullshit but Australia's Calum Von Moger just might enter it next year (2017) as well as Canada's new bodybuiding IFBB Pro, Chris Bumstead, who apparently does not want to add the additional mass that would probably be required if he wanted to do well within any IFBB Pro Bodybuilding event.
Nothing definite about Bumstead due to the fact that his participation in the 2017 Oly is only a guesstimate but Calum somewhat mentioned it on one of his Instagram comments.
Actually he asked his fans if he should enter it and received a lot of encouragement to do so. And Bumstead has been somewhat silent on his future competitive plans.
Does all of this sound like that TMZ TV show?
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Photos of Bumstead are posted above.
Here's Calum...
Would Calum beat Bumstead in a Physique event at the 2017 Oly?
It would be the first time out for both of them.
Who do you think will be main contenders?
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Big Classic Physique event this weekend in Florida.
This is a wild forecast but this could be Chris Bumstead's first win as an IFBB Pro BUT ..... in a Classic contest and not in the bodybuilding event.
A wise decision on his part as he would most likely have to add 60 pounds of muscle mass in order to stand out in any pro bodybuilder line up.
But a loss this weekend just might encourage him to gain those 60 pounds and compete along with the bigger boys and on his way to the Olympia.
Win or lose .... or whatever he decides to compete within .... he has a hell of a great competitive future up ahead.
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This topic has been continued under G&O. If interested look for "Classic Physique - A New World for Bodybuilders".
Thanks, STUNT (The know it all of nothing at all!)