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The big bang gets challanged...oops might be a multiverse out there..

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Johnny Apollo:

--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 02:10:12 PM ---I love how when science can't explain something they say "Ahh, it just happened".

Evolution just "happened", life just "happened", the universe just "happened to make itself", which is another example of sciences grand "theorys" contradicting it's own laws.

And science thinks that people who have faith are whacked up?

 ::)

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You don't know a damn thing about science. Science CAN explain how evolution occured. They actually do it VERY WELL and prove their explanations with evidence. I could explain evolution in short simple steps so as even a 5th grader could understand it.

1.Life appears via biogenesis from complex chemicals
2.Random mutations occur in the simple life
3.The environment naturally selects the mutations that are of benefit.
4.The benefitial mutations proliferate.
5.Soon the entire population has the benefitial mutations.
6.Process continues for billions of years.
7.After billions upon billions of naturally selected mutations you've got modern life and all of the modern species.

Get it? And the evidence supports this perfectly.

No one says the universe "just happened" to make itself. Actually it's alot more detailed than that and harder to explain than evolution is, But i'll explain it best I can in simple terms so you can understand it. The big bang is explained as follows.


1.Earliest point in the universe exists. This time is very speculative and not alot of information is known about this time. There was no mass and no "energy". There was no "space-time" as well. Nothing much existed.

2.Planck epoch which is 10^-43 seconds after the "earliest point". The four fundamental forces are combined into one single force. Little is known about this time as well.

3.Grand Unification Epoch 10^-33 seconds after the "earliest point". The universe starts it's "expanson" and begins to cool.

4.Cosmic inflation. The universe is flattened and begins to expand rapidly.

5.Early universe. Fundamental particles appear and the shape of the universe begins to change.

6.Nucleosynthesis. The universe is now cool and the first nuclei begin to appear forming from protons and neutrinos.

7.You don't get to see anymore unless you've read this far. If you've read this far you're interested enough in learning about the detailed explanations of the early universe and if so you can read it from wiki.

 ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Big_Bang

ToxicAvenger:

--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 02:10:12 PM ---I love how when science can't explain something they say "Ahh, it just happened".

Evolution just "happened", life just "happened", the universe just "happened to make itself", which is another example of sciences grand "theorys" contradicting it's own laws.

And science thinks that people who have faith are whacked up?

 ::)

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things in quantum mechanix dont just happen....they r a necessity for the underlying structure..

for example the same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to detect black holes...

Johnny Apollo:

--- Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on April 15, 2006, 08:13:28 AM ---things in quantum mechanix dont just happen....they r a necessity for the underlying structure..

for example the same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to detect black holes...



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The same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to treat and cure disease, Allow us to predict outcomes in physics experiments, Allow us to create advanced technology, Allow us to basically OPERATE the modern world.
Our entire MODERN WORLD is based on as he puts it the principle that says "it just happened"!

 ::)

ToxicAvenger:

--- Quote from: Johnny Apollo on April 15, 2006, 08:18:52 AM ---
The same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to treat and cure disease, Allow us to predict outcomes in physics experiments, Allow us to create advanced technology, Allow us to basically OPERATE the modern world.
Our entire MODERN WORLD is based on as he puts it the principle that says "it just happened"!

 ::)

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aren't micro chips based on quantum uncertanity and penrose says even consciousness is a result of quanum uncertanity!

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/quantumcomputation.html

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