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Johnny Apollo:
Since there is a thread with Articles about Religion and other nonsense I thought I'd post a thread for articles about Atheism, Science and Against Religion.

Note, This is not a debate therefor I'm not posting articles in response to debates. I am against posting non-secular articles as responses to debates and not providing a debate in your own words. The only articles I respond to in debates are articles that are specific sources for claims you made during your own debate and that are secular without any affiliation to any religion.

I am posting links to atricles and links about atheism for those interested in reading material about science, freethinking and atheism and against religion.

Atheism Articles

List of atheists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists

Criticism of religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_religion

Scientific skepticism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_skepticism

Bill Maher critiques intelligent design(VIDEO)

20Design

Did a historical Jesus exist?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Hitler's Christianity

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

THE PROBLEMS WITH ISLAM(Contains several articles)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/islam.htm

List of common fallacies

http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm

A MASSIVE list of creationist and christian claims and refuting all of them(Great source for beginners)

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Infidel Guy radio show(Payment Subscription required for those interested. You can hear a masive list of debates between christians and scientists and interviews of scientists and historians and theologians)

http://www.infidelguy.com/index.php

On Defending Atheism

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/defending.html

Why Atheism?

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/WhyAtheism.htm

Arguments for atheism

http://freethought.freeservers.com/reason/rationalview.html

List of transcripts of debates between atheists and religious

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/debates/

The dragon in my garage(By the famous late Carl Sagan)

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm


That's all for right now i'll post more on Science later.

Butterbean:

--- Quote from: Johnny Apollo on April 14, 2006, 08:44:05 AM --- Religion and other nonsense

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If you consider "religion etc." nonsense, why would you spend hours thinking and "posting" about it? ???

w8tlftr:

--- Quote from: STella on April 14, 2006, 12:47:15 PM ---If you consider "religion etc." nonsense, why would you spend hours thinking and "posting" about it? ???

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I asked him. He claims he's here to debate.

He later said not debate but DESTROY our religious faith.  :-\

It's not working out very well for him though.

Cavalier22:
That link about Hitler and christianity is pretty ridiculous.  He in fact hated the catholic church and other churches but realized so many people were christian in germany that he had to pay lip service to being a christian in his speeches and propaganda. 

Johnny Apollo:

--- Quote from: Cavalier22 on April 16, 2006, 12:25:41 AM ---That link about Hitler and christianity is pretty ridiculous.  He in fact hated the catholic church and other churches but realized so many people were christian in germany that he had to pay lip service to being a christian in his speeches and propaganda. 

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In fact that link explains all of that if you would of read it.



--- Quote ---Myth 2: Hitler pretended his Christianity only for political purposes

This one represents one of the most persistent constructions about Hitler's Christianity. Revealingly, proponents of this myth never provide evidence for this hypothesis. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then were does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where?

Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil.

I suspect that those who propagate this myth rely on mainly one source: the dubious reliability of Hitler's table talk (a second-hand source that allegedly records the words of Hitler). The table-talk got edited by the anti-Catholic Martin Bormann (Hitler's secretary) and describes political views against the hierarchy of orthodox Christianity (just as Bormann would have liked) but even here, Hitler never speaks against Jesus Christ, but rather in favor of him. (See Hitler's table talk and other extraneous sources).

What obliterates this theory comes from the fact that Hitler continued to express his "positive" Christian views, well after his rise to power. If, indeed, he needed Christianity only for political purposes, then why-oh-why does he continue with the charade after he has established himself as absolute dictator?

But just for the sake of argument, lets pretend that Hitler really did pretend his Christianity; that his sole aim went to politically winning over German Christians so that he could gain their confidence. How in the world does that improve your argument in protecting Christianity from Hitler? If that proved the case, then who should get the blame, Hitler or the gullible Christian German citizens who believed him? And what does that say for the integrity of Christianity if the most Christianized country in the world could not distinguish a member of their own belief system? Think about it. If the most pious Christians and clergymen could not tell if Hitler practiced false or "real" Christianity, then how in the world could anyone tell? I submit that the only way to tell comes from the very words from those who make the claim. Indeed, this constitutes the very flaw of any religion because there never has existed a testable way to determine the truthfulness of a belief in the supernatural. And if you cannot tell by the words of your fellow Christians, then anyone with minimal acting talent can deceive anyone, including monks, bishops, or popes. In fact, monks, bishops and popes themselves, could fall prey to falsehood. I submit to you that a false Christian and a real Christian makes absolutely no difference. Why? Because if I have it right (and I think I do) then Christianity never represented reality, thus an honest believing Christian and a dishonest believing Christian fall on equal turf: they both have it wrong, and they both practice falsehoods!

The only evidence we have, or could ever have, about people who call themselves Christian comes from the very confession of those making the claim. And since Hitler makes his claim to Christianity abundantly and clearly, we can only rely on his claim, regardless of whether he actually believed in Christ or not. False Christianity has as just much validity as any claim to Christianity, even if you could prove dishonesty.

But regardless of how you view a person's claim to their religion, to say Hitler used Christianity only for political forces has absolutely no historical basis to back it up. To simply rely on belief or opinion says absolutely nothing about historical fact.


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