Juicing over 40 and then ... dropping dead

[hipolito mejia]

Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.

Exactly, these guys here are impossible… no wonder Palumbo thinks of this site as a sewer.

[bhank]

Let's get back on topic gentlemen: Juicing after 40 and dropping dead.

Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health

[Tennisballz]

Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health

has it improved your health?

[Randomum]

I think using Meadows as an example of someone who said "fuck my kids" is possibly a bit misguided. He continued with HRT, was at 100mg and 200mg IIRC. No GH. It is not completely certain that going to zero test would have extended his life. He did consult with doctors. Of course you could argue that you will find the docs that let you do and take what you want. But still.

I am 44 and still juice. It is not healthy but I'm not "done" yet.

Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.

[njflex]

has it improved your health?

He is cool,,good listen,,

[Van_Bilderass]

Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.

I fucked up my heart. Possibly why I wound up on a ventilator from both swine flu and Covid. I have left ventricular hypertrophy but now my scans and labs are almost normal. Actually all the labs are normal, my ejection fraction could be a little higher. Bodybuilders used to worry about the liver but the bigger worry is the heart and the kidneys especially. Meadows himself predicted a lot of kidney failures coming up due to the massive tren dosages taken today.

But genes do play a huge role. A professor endo told me that "only" about 30% of heavy juicers get heart hypertrophy. I have a training partner that is 58 and his baseline test dose is 1 gram and he has recently done things like take Anadrol for a year straight or do 3 grams total per week. It's not healthy but he has juiced since 20 and is still standing. I think many will be fine with moderate juicing especially if they aren't real heavy. You can also take precautions like checking you heart every now and then.

[Theoak*]

Did you notice any symptoms of left ventricular hypertrophy before you were diagnosed? I actually know of 2 people with the same diagnosis, both say it was from deca and tren usage.

[Pet shop boys]

Dorian makes the argument that taking testosterone after 40 improves your health

Frank Zane says that after 40 you should really stay away from that stuff......  he is 80



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[SweetDaddySiki]

it's gonna be hard to jerk off to rhonda lee's old porn.. not impossible, just i might let some time pass out of respect.

[IroNat]

Dorian's balls probably fell off so he needs to take test.

[bhank]

Dorian's balls probably fell off so he needs to take test.

What are your levels do you even know? You are getting up there in age you should know

[pamith]

  at the end of the day most bb's are insecure little men, they have no sense of worth without their show muscles

Bro...

[IroNat]

What are your levels do you even know? You are getting up there in age you should know

My dick gets hard like iron so that's all I need to know.

[ThisisOverload]

Van do you have any long term side effects? Is there a way to juice at your age safely? How is your blood work if you don’t mind me asking. The reason I ask is because there is a perception that there is no safe way to do this but then you see guys like Cutler, Labrador who seem healthy.

You never know what is going on inside them.

I imagine Jay isn't going to live long, but you never know.

I've been juicing off and on for 18 years. Been having bloodwork done for 15 years. I have no negative side effects today. But when i was juicing hard 10 years ago my bloodwork was a mess.

Like Van said a lot of this boils down to genetics. I have longevity and health on both sides of my family. All of my grandparents and great-grandparents lived to 90+.

But we never know what is going to happen.

The biggest factor for my health today is my bodyweight. Once i get up to around 230 pounds everything changes. That's why i never go over 220. Also eating a lot of fruits and veggies every single day and exercising 3-4 days a week.

[Van_Bilderass]

Did you notice any symptoms of left ventricular hypertrophy before you were diagnosed? I actually know of 2 people with the same diagnosis, both say it was from deca and tren usage.

Not other than poor endurance. Like all my adult life I've never tolerated high rep weightlifting well, feels like I'm dying. I don't know if that signifies a "weak" heart. All my life my pulse has been high as well, but my brother and mother both have a high pulse so I'm thinking part genes there as well. The LVH happens to most juicers I think to some degree and GH worsens it. I think most steroids can cause it, testosterone for sure. I mean why wouldn't grams of test do it? Same with kidneys, tren is seen as particularly bad but all anabolics stress the kidneys.

[bhank]

Not other than poor endurance. Like all my adult life I've never tolerated high rep weightlifting well, feels like I'm dying. I don't know if that signifies a "weak" heart. All my life my pulse has been high as well, but my brother and mother both have a high pulse so I'm thinking part genes there as well. The LVH happens to most juicers I think to some degree and GH worsens it. I think most steroids can cause it, testosterone for sure. I mean why wouldn't grams of test do it? Same with kidneys, tren is seen as particularly bad but all anabolics stress the kidneys.

LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.

[Hypertrophy]

LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.

Interesting theory. I've been lifting for 30 years, am also an endurance athlete, (bicycle racing) and clean. I'm waiting for the LVH to kick in, lol.

[Van_Bilderass]

LVH just happens to weight lifters and people who train your heart is a muscle like anything else nothing to do with testosterone. It shrinks back down like every other muscle after you stop training. Again these so called markers are to be watched but they don't always mean something bad is happening.

It's well known steroids worsen LVH adaptation, often into the "danger zone." Palumbo has LVH and he says it has come down a bit but not completely.

Interesting theory. I've been lifting for 30 years, am also an endurance athlete, (bicycle racing) and clean. I'm waiting for the LVH to kick in, lol.

You probably have some but if you've not been on steroids it's not to a dangerous degree. It's thought that particularly the valsalva maneuver during heavy lifting causes LVH.

[Hypertrophy]

It's well known steroids worsen LVH adaptation, often into the "danger zone." Palumbo has LVH and he says it has come down a bit but not completely.

You probably have some but if you've not been on steroids it's not to a dangerous degree. It's thought that particularly the valsalva maneuver during heavy lifting causes LVH.

Yes- you can have LVH and be perfectly healthy. The distinction between LVHs is pathological hypertrophy and physiologic hypertrophy (Athlete's heart) . Since my VO2 max has been measured at 63 ml/kg/min I can safely say I fall into the latter category...


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22495644/

[bhank]

has it improved your health?

I am living on sunshine and air and I feel like a million bucks getting over my cold and ready to tackle a bus tomorrow let me check yep still jacked

[Tom]

Uh, what is LVH?

and it's been mentioned before but TRT for a man over 40, over 50 is NOT really juicing and legit safe?...

[robcguns]

Uh, what is LVH?

and it's been mentioned before but TRT for a man over 40, over 50 is NOT really juicing and legit safe?...

Left ventricle hypertrophy, thickening of heart wall or something like that.

[njflex]

Bhank only uses an approved juicer,gets his fruit and veggie smoothies full of nutrients to refill and creat that cocoon of nutrients that fuels him.

[kreator]

You never know what is going on inside them.

I imagine Jay isn't going to live long, but you never know.

I've been juicing off and on for 18 years. Been having bloodwork done for 15 years. I have no negative side effects today. But when i was juicing hard 10 years ago my bloodwork was a mess.

Like Van said a lot of this boils down to genetics. I have longevity and health on both sides of my family. All of my grandparents and great-grandparents lived to 90+.

But we never know what is going to happen.

The biggest factor for my health today is my bodyweight. Once i get up to around 230 pounds everything changes. That's why i never go over 220. Also eating a lot of fruits and veggies every single day and exercising 3-4 days a week.

One of the biggest mainstream dietary lies is that we need to eat vegetables and that they are healthy

[kreator]

Bhank only uses an approved juicer,gets his fruit and veggie smoothies full of nutrients to refill and creat that cocoon of nutrients that fuels him.

smoothies are for vegans and f@ggots