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Re: more pictures of the best back of all-time...
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2006, 04:19:37 AM »
Sergio didn't have Wheeler's density or detail, actually, esp. back.

That's a subjective opinion.

Sergio was larger and more dense than Wheeler, IMO.

I don't even consider it arguable. 

This is a guy who beat Arnold.....hard to compare Flex to that.




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Re: more pictures of the best back of all-time...
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2006, 06:05:07 AM »
Quote " He had the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen. "

Ronnie Coleman on Dorian Yates Flex July 2003

Stop with the nonsense already , Ronnie knows that Dorian had the best back !!

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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2006, 06:10:41 AM »
its a simple case of evolution. Dorian RETIRED nearly 9 years ago, Ronnie has since taken over and gone onto develop a back which is atleast as good as Dorians. Had Dorian continued to compete who knows how good he would have become?

Its like comparing Linford Christie to Asafa Powell. Linford was number 1 with a PB of 9.87 for the 100m sprint. 10 years later, Asafa is now number 1 with a PB of 9.78 (?) but would he have been able to compete against Linfords mystique? who knows..........
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« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2006, 06:37:12 AM »
If you say so, Nippletastic Dickmonger.

But it seems that the actual real life judges on Earth (not internet judges) don't hold calves in such high regard and haven't really ever done so. When's the last time poor calves stopped someone from winning a contest? Or conversely when's the last time great calves were the difference maker? You relentlessly trumpet Dorian's calves and forearms when they are nothing more than ancillary muscle groups in the real world. In the Major muscle groups Ronnie obliterates him. What's next, who's got whiter teeth?

exactly

Do calves stop these poses from being groundbreaking:



almost everyone on the entire planet (including the judges) will tell you NO.

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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2006, 06:46:18 AM »
its a simple case of evolution. Dorian RETIRED nearly 9 years ago, Ronnie has since taken over and gone onto develop a back which is atleast as good as Dorians. Had Dorian continued to compete who knows how good he would have become?

Its like comparing Linford Christie to Asafa Powell. Linford was number 1 with a PB of 9.87 for the 100m sprint. 10 years later, Asafa is now number 1 with a PB of 9.78 (?) but would he have been able to compete against Linfords mystique? who knows..........

Exactly. What's the point in comparing Ronnie to Dorian circa 97 or before? Sure Ronnie was quite developed and even won some 3rd Tier shows like the Canada Pro cup etc. BUT, after the 98 olympia, he put on so much more mass that it pushed him into a league of his own. So, to compare his pre-98 versions to Dorian is not really comparing them at their respective best.

During his reign, Dorian was in a league of his own. But after ronnie started winning especially from 1999 on (except for his shape and size in 2002), he improved so much that there is no doubt he is better / freakier. Dorian may have been better conditioned, but Ronnie has so much mass, volume and density that AT THEIR PEAKS, Dorian does take a second to Ronnie.

It's like comparing Arnold and Frank Zane. Sure Arnold won the Mr. Universe (like Ronnie winning the Canada Pro cup) - he still got beaten by Frank Zane. Which means, Zane was better AT THAT TIME. As everyone knows, once Arnie improved by leaps and bounds, Zane couldnt touch him onstage. Same with Ronnie and Dorian.

Plus, when asked post 93 Olympia if he could have beaten Haney at his best, Dorian replied along the lines of ' I was heavier than him by about 15 pounds and so, yes, I would have beaten him'. The same logic, when applied to Ronnie and Dorian prevails. JMO

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« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2006, 06:47:29 AM »
one of my biggest beefs with saying that Dorian's back is the "greatest of all time" is that, if that is true, it should be OBVIOUS in any back pose at any contest.


but it sure as hell isn't. This does not look like the rear double biceps pose of the guy with the GREATEST back of all time. 

On the other hand, Ronnie's back jumps out at you, for example, here are shots taken from the 2003 Olympia:




although not as crisp as his earlier years, he has such incredible width and thickness that it is obvious that this guy is close to the top of the list of the greatest backs ever seen.  For example, that rear lat spread has yet to be surpassed!


When you look at a dorian rear double bi (most of the time) you are left saying "THAT is the greatest back of all time????"
it doesn't jump out at you like it should.

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« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2006, 07:12:45 AM »
Hulkster this is where you contradict yourself , so Dorian can't have the best back because his back double bicep according to you sucks , yet Ronnie who you tout as having the best back ever has a front latspread that sucks , how can a guy with the best back ever have such a poor front latspread ?

What you fail to realize is while in 2003 Ronnie did surpass Dorian in width his conditioning was no where near Dorian's best so what edge did he gain ? look at that pic of Yates in the back double bicep with the green back round that trumps ANY version of Coleman

If you want to compare the two back its best to do at around the same weight , Dorian had everything Ronnie did , width ,thickness , detail , ontop of having lower lats and a much better lowerback , and whats ironic again if Yates had NO calves and Ronnie did you would be using that as a plus for Coleman , but bottom line his back double bicep suffers with poor calves and poor calves cannnot be hidden.

bottom line no matter how much you type , no matter how many people agree with you , no matter how much you wish , Ronnie himself said Yates had the best back !!  ;)

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« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2006, 07:17:49 AM »

ummm..who said Ronnie's front lat spread was poor??
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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2006, 07:26:31 AM »

ummm..who said Ronnie's front lat spread was poor??

Oh please Ronnie's front latspread is ho-hum , and again you cannot eascape Ronnie knows who has the best back .  ;)

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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2006, 07:38:00 AM »
Oh please Ronnie's front latspread is ho-hum , and again you cannot eascape Ronnie knows who has the best back .  ;)

Ronnie's quote, by your own admission, is 'He HAD the thickest, freakiest back of all times'. Keyword being HAD - meaning in the past (or before Ronnie's prime), Dorian HAD the thickest back. But at present, his back development has been surpassed by Ronnie's. But I'm sure you are going to say he used the word HAD coz Dorian was competing in the past.

While we are quoting who said what, do you read the Reflexions column in Flex? In one of the issues in late 2003 or early 2004 (or maybe even before - i'm not sure of the date), there was a question on how Dorian would fare against Ronnie (against MR. O Ronnie - the developed one). Everyone (Andrulla Blanchette, Kim Chizevsky and someone else) said Ronnie would win flat out. Even Dorian himself said, he wouldnt want to predict and that even though he had beaten Ronnie in the past, Ronnie had improved a 100 % and he would use the 95 version of himself to even think about standing next to Ronnie and also, that there was no comparisn to the other competitiors he had competed against and Ronnie.

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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2006, 07:50:40 AM »
nice - post a shot from 2004, one of Ronnie's worst performances ever.

I would like to hear your comments on Yates front lat spread, and the fact that it is ONLY good from the waist up, thanks to puffy, watery, no-separation quads:


funny how you harp on ronnie's calves (a minor muscle group) yet ignore Yates massive horrible quads ::)

Ronnie's front lat spread has much more detail overall, in addition to freaky lats:

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Re: more pictures of the best back of all-time...
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2006, 07:53:38 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2006, 07:57:25 AM »
Ronnie's quote, by your own admission, is 'He HAD the thickest, freakiest back of all times'. Keyword being HAD - meaning in the past (or before Ronnie's prime), Dorian HAD the thickest back. But at present, his back development has been surpassed by Ronnie's. But I'm sure you are going to say he used the word HAD coz Dorian was competing in the past.

While we are quoting who said what, do you read the Reflexions column in Flex? In one of the issues in late 2003 or early 2004 (or maybe even before - i'm not sure of the date), there was a question on how Dorian would fare against Ronnie (against MR. O Ronnie - the developed one). Everyone (Andrulla Blanchette, Kim Chizevsky and someone else) said Ronnie would win flat out. Even Dorian himself said, he wouldnt want to predict and that even though he had beaten Ronnie in the past, Ronnie had improved a 100 % and he would use the 95 version of himself to even think about standing next to Ronnie and also, that there was no comparisn to the other competitiors he had competed against and Ronnie.

Bottom line 2003 Ronnie said Dorian " had the thickest & freakiest back I have ever seen " that I HAVE ever seen " if you want to knitpick !!  ;)

And Yates when asked if at their best could Coleman beat him and Yates said it was very hard for him to say but he said Ronnie might win due to a 30lb weight advantage , now he was 287lbs at the 2003 Olympia and 296lbs at the 2004 and neither one of those were his best showings , his all time best condition is considered by everyone is 2001 ASC he was 245lbs and Yates all time best is the 1995 Mr Olympia ( yes post tear ) and he was 255lbs , so Yates would enjoy a 10lb weight advantage & better conditioning .

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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2006, 08:01:25 AM »
nice - post a shot from 2004, one of Ronnie's worst performances ever.

I would like to hear your comments on Yates front lat spread, and the fact that it is ONLY good from the waist up, thanks to puffy, watery, no-separation quads:


funny how you harp on ronnie's calves (a minor muscle group) yet ignore Yates massive horrible quads ::)

Ronnie's front lat spread has much more detail overall, in addition to freaky lats:



LMFAO at Hulkster bitching about not using the best pics lol you're such a tool , you constantly do this to " prove " your point lol what a jackass , Yates owns the front latspread , period . he's not even on contest shape & he destorys Ronnie .

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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2006, 08:07:27 AM »
Again .

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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2006, 08:08:17 AM »
doesn't anyone else agree that it would be foolish to acknowledge yates post tear 1995 shape against the man who many feel has the GREATEST biceps in history??

Dorian would be murdered, having a HUGE disadvantage right off the bat:



1993 Yates is the only version of Yates that would stand a chance.  Post tear, the arm is too much of a disadvantage against someone with arms like ronnie.
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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2006, 08:10:18 AM »
Yates horrible quads prevent him from having the greatest front lat spread ever.

Funny how your second pic has him wearing pants. ::)
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2006, 08:11:31 AM »
doesn't anyone else agree that it would be foolish to acknowledge yates post tear 1995 shape against the man who many feel has the GREATEST biceps in history??

Dorian would be murdered, having a HUGE disadvantage right off the bat:


1993 Yates is the only version of Yates that would stand a chance.  Post tear, the arm is too much of a disadvantage against someone with arms like ronnie.

Okay he would lose the front doublebicep and win every other single pose . case closed .  ;)

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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2006, 08:12:11 AM »
even ronnies back isnt the best all of the time, but it is number 1 in the current era when he gets it right. Bigger isnt always better though - we must all remember that. I have no doubt that Dorian had the best lats and latspread, its just a matter of using the poses to the best of your ability

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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2006, 08:12:48 AM »
Yates horrible quads prevent him from having the greatest front lat spread ever.

Funny how your second pic has him wearing pants. ::)

Coleman's horrible calves prevent him from having the greatest front lat spread ever . ;)

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« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2006, 09:32:21 AM »
ND & Hulkster,

You sound very well rehearsed in the way you put together your views on the Yates v Coleman debate. You guys done this before by any chance?
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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2006, 09:35:35 AM »
doesn't anyone else agree that it would be foolish to acknowledge yates post tear 1995 shape against the man who many feel has the GREATEST biceps in history??

Dorian would be murdered, having a HUGE disadvantage right off the bat:



1993 Yates is the only version of Yates that would stand a chance.  Post tear, the arm is too much of a disadvantage against someone with arms like ronnie.

arms basically stand for nothing, at least, that's what the judges said in response to Dorian winning in '94.

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Re: more pictures of the best back of all-time...
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2006, 10:24:08 AM »
Coleman's horrible calves prevent him from having the greatest front lat spread ever . ;)
ND, why don't you stop posting these Dorian pics? They are useful only to show more convingingly that Ronnie is better!!  ;D
However, props to you for your new avatar, at least you have a better idea of female aesthetics! Why don't you start posting Aishwarya Rai's pictures?!  We will all agree that she looks better than Ronnie and Dorian :)

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« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2006, 10:36:25 AM »
ND, why don't you stop posting these Dorian pics? They are useful only to show more convingingly that Ronnie is better!!  ;D
However, props to you for your new avatar, at least you have a better idea of female aesthetics! Why don't you start posting Aishwarya Rai's pictures?!  We will all agree that she looks better than Ronnie and Dorian :)

lol Here you go !! I think she is better looking than any woman , period . !!

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« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2006, 10:50:10 AM »
There are others. How bout this one below?