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Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« on: April 09, 2007, 08:44:18 AM »
Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
POSTED: 8:29 a.m. EDT, April 9, 2007
Story Highlights• Of top '08 candidates, only Republican John McCain has been to war
• Even after 9/11, few see military experience as determining factor in '08
• Longshot GOP hopeful Rep. Duncan Hunter was Army Ranger in Vietnam
• Some candidates got Vietnam-era deferments, or served in Reserve

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The 2008 presidential campaign is long on war rhetoric and short on warriors.

Despite the high-profile roles of the battle against terrorism and conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan in the presidential campaign, few of the candidates can claim military experience on their resumes.

Of the top tier of 2008 candidates, only Republican John McCain has been to war and served in uniform.

Yet, while the demand for a president with a military background might be expected to run high in the post-September 11 era, few see that as a determining factor in the 2008 race.

"It teaches you certain things, but I don't think it makes you a better candidate for higher office," said Navy veteran Edward Ferrari, 76, of Randolph, New Jersey. "It teaches you honor and duty. I guess you can get that in other places, too."

Polls indicate that while having a military background can be helpful to presidential candidates, a majority of adults don't see it as essential. Many people say candidates who've served as a governor, member of Congress or business executive are better prepared for the Oval Office than a general or admiral.

More broadly, an AP-Ipsos poll last month indicates leadership traits or experience are far less important to voters than character attributes such as honesty.

The 2008 lineup of candidates also makes clear that a new generation of political leaders has stepped forward, some too young to have been eligible for the Vietnam-era draft. Beyond that, fatigue with the Iraq war may have dulled the appetite for a warrior in the White House.

"We're sick and tired of war and I think that feeling is going to last for about a decade," said Stephen J. Wayne, a professor of government at Georgetown University.

To some, like Richard Land, head of public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention, a war record still counts. "When you're a war hero, you have less to prove on the character front," he said, comparing McCain with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the front-runner in national popularity polls, who did not serve in the military.

And Vietnam veteran Audrey Birgstresser said presidents with military experience understand the sacrifices of deployed soldiers and how to deftly resolve conflicts.

"They know how to make decisions under pressure because that's what their life is all about," said Birgstresser, 59, of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Yet Fred Greenstein, a political scientist at Princeton University, doubts that even the few veterans in the race will make much of their service given the situation in Iraq.

"Now that we're in this period of an increasingly virulent insurgency, it would probably be more electorally effective, even for the people who have military experience, to say they are more suited to be peacemakers, not that they were suited to manage violent conflicts," he said.

Warriors get no free passes
Since at least the 1992 election, being a war hero hasn't been a ticket to the White House.

Former President Clinton, who was never in the armed forces, defeated two World War II combat veterans -- former President George H.W. Bush in 1992 and former Sen. Bob Dole in 1996.

President George W. Bush's National Guard duty helped keep him out of Vietnam, yet he defeated three veterans of that conflict -- McCain in the 2000 GOP primaries, Democrat Al Gore in the 2000 election and Democrat John Kerry in 2004.

Of the current Democratic front-runners, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, 45, was too young to have been drafted during the Vietnam War. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, 53, had a draft number that was never called. And, Sen. Hillary Clinton, 59, like most women her age, would not have been expected to serve. Women weren't subject to the draft.

Among the other candidates in the Democratic race, Sen. Chris Dodd, 62, of Connecticut, served in the Army Reserve from 1969 to 1975. Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico received student and medical classifications that probably spared him from service in Vietnam, including one for a deviated septum. Richardson had a draft lottery number of 131 in 1970, a year when men with numbers as high as 195 were called.

Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, 64, and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, 60, also had medical conditions that kept them from serving in Vietnam.

Among the leading Republican candidates, only McCain, 70, has a military record. The Arizona senator spent more than 20 years in the Navy, almost a quarter of it in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp.

Draft deferments kept Giuliani, 62, of out Vietnam while he attended law school. In 1968, as the Vietnam War was escalating, he was classified 1-A, or draft eligible. After going to work for a federal judge, he received an occupational deferment. He was classified 1-A again in 1970, but had a high lottery number.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, 60, received a draft deferment while serving as a Mormon missionary in France during the war. He was eligible for the draft later, but was not selected. Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, 50, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 51, came of age after the draft ended in 1973. Neither has military experience.

Another Republican, Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, received student deferments. He was available for service in 1969, but was reclassified in 1970 because of stress-related anxiety.

On the other hand, longshot GOP hopeful Rep. Duncan Hunter, 58, who describes himself as "the national security candidate," was an Army paratrooper and Ranger in the Vietnam War and has a personal connection to the Iraq war. His son, a Marine, has completed two tours of duty there.

Congress has also seen a drain in the number of members with military experience.

Only 131 members have had some form of military service, according to a Congressional Research Service report. During the 93rd Congress from 1973 to 1975, 390 veterans served.

Even if a military background isn't essential to voters, a sense that a candidate can handle the role of commander in chief remains important to most Americans.

"I think that the voters in this post-9/11 era will take into account everything about candidates," said Dayton Duncan, who was an insider on the presidential campaigns of Democrats Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis, "and part of that filter is, 'Are you capable of protecting us?"'

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/09/military.background.ap/index.html

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 09:40:44 AM »
Good for America.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 10:13:31 AM »
I think combat experience is very important for any President.  If that was the only difference between 2 candidates then i would pick the one with combat experience.

A president with combat experience is less likely IMO, to recklessly put our soldiers in harms way like the current idiot in charge.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 10:43:11 AM »
I think combat experience is very important for any President.  If that was the only difference between 2 candidates then i would pick the one with combat experience.

A president with combat experience is less likely IMO, to recklessly put our soldiers in harms way like the current idiot in charge.
Some one with combat experience is pulling the strings for that idiot.........He is a puppet for the war mongers.
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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 10:46:14 AM »
I think combat experience is very important for any President.  If that was the only difference between 2 candidates then i would pick the one with combat experience.

A president with combat experience is less likely IMO, to recklessly put our soldiers in harms way like the current idiot in charge.

I wouldn't go quite that far.  Before 911, most service members wouldn't see combat.  I think military experience is really important and gives a candidate an edge in my book, but combat experience is a bit too much to expect. 

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2007, 10:48:30 AM »
I wouldn't go quite that far.  Before 911, most service members wouldn't see combat.  I think military experience is really important and gives a candidate an edge in my book, but combat experience is a bit too much to expect. 

Yeah, it may be too much to expect, but it would be nice.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »
Some one with combat experience is pulling the strings for that idiot.........He is a puppet for the war mongers.

Anyone who has seen combat at the very least would have had a better plan for Iraq.   Like Powell.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2007, 12:34:00 PM »
Who gives a shit?

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2007, 01:49:51 PM »
It means u give a shit about the country...more so then power. Atleast appearance wise
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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2007, 02:32:03 PM »
Who gives a shit?

Ozmo and millions of other voters who think military service is important. 

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2007, 02:48:44 PM »
I think military service is important, that's why I did not get the Swift Boat veterans against Kerry...at least he was over in Vietnam. I respect McCain more than anyone in this race because of his service to his country. At one time McCain appealed to both Democrats and Republicans, but as he has aged and said some weird stuff he's alienating himself.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2007, 03:01:55 PM »
I think military service is important, that's why I did not get the Swift Boat veterans against Kerry...at least he was over in Vietnam. I respect McCain more than anyone in this race because of his service to his country. At one time McCain appealed to both Democrats and Republicans, but as he has aged and said some weird stuff he's alienating himself.

I understand why the Swift Boat veterans attacked Kerry.  If you make your military service a central part of your campaign, you open your military record up to scrutiny (same with Rudy, 911, and the firefighters).  I am really down on Kerry after watching the Stolen Honor documentary.  http://www.stolenhonor.com/

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2007, 03:08:09 PM »
I also think military service should be a pre requisite for candidacy.

In USA we elect guys that run from the draft..     

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2007, 03:22:37 PM »
I understand why the Swift Boat veterans attacked Kerry.  If you make your military service a central part of your campaign, you open your military record up to scrutiny (same with Rudy, 911, and the firefighters).  I am really down on Kerry after watching the Stolen Honor documentary.  http://www.stolenhonor.com/

Why cause Kerry came back home and told everyone the truth? It's been proven Vietnam turned many soldiers into junkies, it's been proven soldiers raped, killed, and murdered innocent people?! He told them what they already knew.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2007, 03:37:52 PM »
Military experience is important.

For Bush and Cheney, war is numbers.  War is economics.  War is a tool of resource procurement.

For someone who has served, war is hell.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2007, 04:19:34 PM »
Why cause Kerry came back home and told everyone the truth? It's been proven Vietnam turned many soldiers into junkies, it's been proven soldiers raped, killed, and murdered innocent people?! He told them what they already knew.

Because Kerry accused our soldiers of war crimes, which may or may not have happened, while we had POWs in Vietnam, and the captors used Kerry's testimony to interrogate our POWs.  It was a terrible thing to do.  You should watch the documentary. 

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 04:50:37 PM »
Because Kerry accused our soldiers of war crimes, which may or may not have happened, while we had POWs in Vietnam, and the captors used Kerry's testimony to interrogate our POWs.  It was a terrible thing to do.  You should watch the documentary. 

So he spoke the truth from experience about illegal things that were happening in an unjust war for global resources?





Sounds to me like he did the morally correct thing.  A lesser coward would have allowed these war crimes to continue.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 04:57:11 PM »
It means u give a shit about the country...more so then power. Atleast appearance wise

Paying taxes means you give a shit too..  ;)

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 05:09:34 PM »
Paying taxes means you give a shit too..  ;)

Or that you don't want to go to prison.   :) 

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 05:16:17 PM »
Or that you don't want to go to prison.   :) 

True.  ;)

How does picking up an m-16 make someone better suited to be president? Sure a person who has served their country has done more than a person who hasn't, but that doesn't mean it should be a huge factor when picking out a candidate.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 05:18:07 PM »
True.  ;)

How does picking up an m-16 make someone better suited to be president? Sure a person who has served their country has done more than a person who hasn't, but that doesn't mean it should be a huge factor when picking out a candidate.

I agree, but it is a factor IMO.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 05:18:35 PM »
True.  ;)

How does picking up an m-16 make someone better suited to be president? Sure a person who has served their country has done more than a person who hasn't, but that doesn't mean it should be a huge factor when picking out a candidate.

Among other things, it gives them a better understanding of their role as commander in chief.  

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 09:19:14 PM »
Paying taxes means you give a shit too..  ;)

keep trying, you haven't sone shit to ensure your own freedom...you are welcome
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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2007, 09:49:34 PM »
keep trying, you haven't sone shit to ensure your own freedom...you are welcome

you really feel like everyone here OWES you, don't you?

Please stop making military men and women look so bad.  Every one of them I have met has been respectful and humble of their service.  You come on here and demand it and belittle those who don't serve.

You are hurting the military by doing this.  please stop.  please carry yourself with more dignity.

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Re: Military experience rare among presidential hopefuls
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2007, 10:02:42 PM »
you really feel like everyone here OWES you, don't you?

Please stop making military men and women look so bad.  Every one of them I have met has been respectful and humble of their service.  You come on here and demand it and belittle those who don't serve.

You are hurting the military by doing this.  please stop.  please carry yourself with more dignity.

I wouldn't say anyone owes me anything, but don't come on here bashing us when if it wasn't for us you wouln't even have the right to do so..
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