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Johnny Apollo:
--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 09:47:12 AM ---http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191779,00.html
It's sad all these people are getting together for a mere simple myth.....
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What are you arguing? THAT they get together therefor it isn't a myth?
The same reasoning would apply to the Hajj the muslims take to mecca. The hajj is a trip to mecca that every muslim if able is supposed to make atleast once in their life time. Each year MILLIONS of muslims travel to mecca.
By your reasoning Islam isn't a myth and is therefor legit because millions gather each year because of it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj
GET_BIGGER:
Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam. They believe in the same God, they just don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, he was just a prophet.
The Hajj is a representation of getting closer to Allah, not retracing the footsteps of Jesus' crucifixion, the son of God who paid the price for sin that we might have eternal life, where he was in fact crucified. There is enough historical documention in different cultures for someone with general reasoning abilities to come to the conclusion that there was a Jesus who was a Nazarene and who was crucified.. The debate comes to whether he was the true Messiah or not. Either he was who he said, or he was a complete lunatic. The debate is is He who he says he is? And only faith can answer that debate, not logic. The only way you will be convinced is if God choses to reveal himself to you, not some discussion over the internet.
Johnny Apollo:
--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 10:42:59 AM ---Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam. They believe in the same God, they just don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, he was just a prophet.
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True...And?
--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 10:42:59 AM ---The Hajj is a representation of getting closer to Allah, not retracing the footsteps of Jesus' crucifixion, the son of God who paid the price for sin that we might have eternal life, where he was in fact crucified. There is enough historical documention in different cultures for someone with general reasoning abilities to come to the conclusion that there was a Jesus who was a Nazarene and who was crucified.. The debate comes to whether he was the true Messiah or not. Either he was who he said, or he was a complete lunatic. The debate is is He who he says he is? And only faith can answer that debate, not logic. The only way you will be convinced is if God choses to reveal himself to you, not some discussion over the internet.
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There is sparse historical evidence supporting the existence of a Jesus. However let's ASSUME jesus existed...So what?
The MYTH part is where jesus's life was surrounded by miracles in the scripture stolen from earlier pagan myths. The authors of the gospels took what was written about jesus and then added all types of miracles that they stole from earlier pagan myths such as Horus.
So yes....All of those people gathered for a MYTH! Just like the Muslims gather for a MYTH!
Johnny Apollo:
--- Quote from: GET_BIGGER on April 14, 2006, 10:56:58 AM ---There is more historical evidence of a Jesus existing and fullfilling prophecies that were written decades earlier in the old testiment more than there is evidence of any of Jesus' miracles being fabricated by authors, I mean c'mon, that is a stretch even for you Johnny.
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I've been asking over and over for this supposed "Historical evidence" of Jesus fulfilling miracles and NO ONE has provided it to me as of yet.
Let us see this evidence you speak of. Evidence Jesus not only existed but actually performed miracles as described in the gospels.
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