To anyone thinking the Ukraine ever had a chance in hell of "winning"

[mops]

Because they want to see Ukrainians die - as they did in the Holodomor. The same group of people that starved/murdered Ukrainians are controlling Ukraine right now. If the Ukrainians had balls they'd take their country back by any means necessary. The current regime was installed by the US in the 2014 coup.

some people watch too much TV....

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=688548.msg10096773#msg10096773

[chaos]

I don't think you understand the situation. First and foremost Ukraine like any country has the right to defend itself.

So can Ukraine go ahead and send our money and weapons back to the US and defend itself then?

[Rambone]

[Saw36]

I still think it’s funny seeing Ukrainian soldiers smashing Russian soldiers with home alone booby traps AKA Chapelle😂😂😂

[Goliathon]

Russia has the numerical advantage but higher causality rate that's the facts. Russian moral is high now because Ukraine has been let down by her western partners. There is no future for Ukrainians if they give up and accept Russian dominion either.

"western partners" do you not get they are just canon fodder. No one cares about Ukraine, anymore than they actually care about Gaza/Iraq/Kurds/Azeri's/Pashtuns you name it.

People were happy to hoover up a caravan of white women, and once they left Ukraine they stopped caring.

No one on the sidelines told Ukraine that they must fight back, it was in their own desire to do so, they did not wish to be 'liberated' by your army. The Ukrainian race is alive as a distinct people from Russia precisely because they did fight back. And this nonsense regarding the reason for the war being because Europe does not want to buy fighter jets? What are you smoking because I don't want to try.

They fought back, because their government at every level was convinced by western governments at every level that we were "partners".

Yes the west "partnered" up with Ukraine, because they were cheaper than arming border states that were actually part of NATO.

the regular folk of Bucha were not ultra nationalists

Tell me more about how people who had nothing to do with the war are getting slaughtered.

I'm not a Russia schill, Russia ain't no good guy, your arguments don't work.

your lord Putler is the one spewing paranoid rhetoric. Threatening nuclear war like a big sick baby

And what do you think the plan is for nuclear war? If Putin Nukes Kiev(which he is totally capable of doing), then what? 

If this brother in law was Ukrainian he would value his land remaining Ukrainian land, not governed from Moscow under a repressive regime he knows all too well

When you have a demographic collapse underway your land is worthless, it's worthless dirt. People are dying so the ruskies can't get their worthless dirt.

But you're right Ukrainian people are so free right now. So free from oppression. Things were so much worst back in the day.

My girlfriend and her boys age 8 and 14

And think for a moment, why aren't they in eastern Europe?

[Goliathon]

Its called Ukraine. Defeating Russia in this war is very important for the USA on the world stage.

Are you really that delusional, no one wants a Russian defeat. That would be an absolute trainwreck for the west, as you'd instantly have a very politically unstable Russia. Believe it or not a series of Russian civil wars is far bigger concern for the west, than a worthless borderland.

The west is happy we got the women and children, Ukraine is like an empty cardboard wrapper at this point.

Alot of the funding that is being held up would go towards weapons manufacture within the States thus boosting the economy.

So would throwing money at 100 other things or simply doing a tax cut.

60 billion is literally a $200 per head tax cut.

[dj181]

Of course I believe that. Ukraine is a pathetic little nothing and if Russia wanted to it would be over in hours. Never said they were invincible but let’s be real here. Thats like saying the USA would have a problem with Mexico.

THIS

joo sa caused this shit by lying to russia repeatedly through nato (joo sa is nato btw) they would not expand nato eastward but the lying sacks of shit did so

[Kwon]

Even though Goliathon is half black, i find him entertaining and a reasonable bloke

More intelligent than i first thought! (Much more intelligent and wise than his Ghetto Brethren)

[falco]

The eu should have helped a lot more, a hell of a lot more.

Why? Are they the welfare of the world?

[Kwon]

Lettuce be real here...


EU should stay away from that conflict, already wasted too much money and resources on a losing investment

[dj181]

Lettuce be real here...


EU should stay away from that conflict, already wasted too much money and resources on a losing investment

p.s. joo sa tells you what to do and you obey them

joo sa says to you "jump" and you say "how high master?"

[BigRo]

If Russia wanted to they could have done a shock and awe on Ukraine like USA did in Iraq. No need to send in troops before you bomb the fuck out of the opponent. They held back because they care about Ukrainians more than USA cared about Iraqis.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-threatens-destroy-poland-1872956

Putin Ally Threatens to 'Destroy' Poland: 'We Won't Even Think Twice'

After vowing the Russia would never "leave" or "negotiate" with Europe, Solovyov turned his attention to Poland, a strategically located NATO member state that has recently bolstered its defenses to prepare for the possibility that Russia's war in Ukraine could expand. Solovyov asserted that while Russia feels "sorry for" its "brothers" in Ukraine, Moscow would show no hesitation in wiping out Polish cities "in an instant."

"Do the Poles want to be next? They are not Ukrainians," Solovyov said, according to Gerashchenko's translation. "We will not treat them like brothers. We'll bloody destroy all those cities in an instant, without using ground troops. It's Ukraine we feel sorry for, but there [in Poland] we'll fight like the Americans in Iraq.

"We will simply, I am not sure about nuclear strikes, but with missile strikes and air strikes, I am sure, we will just freaking destroy them," he continued. "And we won't even think twice."

They bomb the fuck out of civilian targets every day, they torture and rape those within the possessed lands, yeah so deeply caring 

[BigRo]

Because they want to see Ukrainians die - as they did in the Holodomor. The same group of people that starved/murdered Ukrainians are controlling Ukraine right now. If the Ukrainians had balls they'd take their country back by any means necessary. The current regime was installed by the US in the 2014 coup.

the majority of Ukrainians wanted the pro Russian government out of power why is this so hard to accept?

[BigRo]

Of course I believe that. Ukraine is a pathetic little nothing and if Russia wanted to it would be over in hours. Never said they were invincible but let’s be real here. Thats like saying the USA would have a problem with Mexico.

Believe whatever you wish but its nonsense. Why would they bleed out hundreds of thousands of men if they could do that? Russia had to beat a retreat from Kyiv because they got their asses kicked.

[BigRo]

So can Ukraine go ahead and send our money and weapons back to the US and defend itself then?

Obviously not. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in the 90's on oath from Russia that it would not be attacked. Now look.

[BigRo]

THIS

joo sa caused this shit by lying to russia repeatedly through nato (joo sa is nato btw) they would not expand nato eastward but the lying sacks of shit did so

And now Russia has got more Nato not less on its doorstep. Ukraine was not going to join Nato.

[Gym Rat]

Russia and Ukraine need to log in here to recruit war experts on how to move FWD. 

[BigRo]

"western partners" do you not get they are just canon fodder. No one cares about Ukraine, anymore than they actually care about Gaza/Iraq/Kurds/Azeri's/Pashtuns you name it.

People were happy to hoover up a caravan of white women, and once they left Ukraine they stopped caring.



They fought back, because their government at every level was convinced by western governments at every level that we were "partners".

Yes the west "partnered" up with Ukraine, because they were cheaper than arming border states that were actually part of NATO.


Tell me more about how people who had nothing to do with the war are getting slaughtered.

I'm not a Russia schill, Russia ain't no good guy, your arguments don't work.


And what do you think the plan is for nuclear war? If Putin Nukes Kiev(which he is totally capable of doing), then what? 



When you have a demographic collapse underway your land is worthless, it's worthless dirt. People are dying so the ruskies can't get their worthless dirt.

But you're right Ukrainian people are so free right now. So free from oppression. Things were so much worst back in the day.



And think for a moment, why aren't they in eastern Europe?

Because they had freedom of choice to move within Europe. Poland can't take in 100 percent of Ukrainian refugees.

If Putin nukes Kyiv which he wont because he wants it to be HIS hub, then it would garner a similar response from Nato.

Yes, innocent people slaughtered because Russian soldiers were brainwashed in to thinking they were on some great denazification mission. "Where are the nazis" they asked the old Babushkas.

The people of Ukraine fought back, they were not going to welcome Russian "liberation" It was not a matter of government or outside control, without the will of the people to fight the war would have been lost after 3 days.

[BigRo]

Are you really that delusional, no one wants a Russian defeat. That would be an absolute trainwreck for the west, as you'd instantly have a very politically unstable Russia. Believe it or not a series of Russian civil wars is far bigger concern for the west, than a worthless borderland.

The west is happy we got the women and children, Ukraine is like an empty cardboard wrapper at this point.



So would throwing money at 100 other things or simply doing a tax cut.

60 billion is literally a $200 per head tax cut.

Ukraine is not a worthless borderland, it is a prize possession Russia wants for itself. A Russia defeat, and a New World Order defeat would be a good thing. But Russia is not fighting the good fight, not standing up for any high moral values at all.

[gib]

This crap was common knowledge 20 years ago fyi, this isn't an all of a sudden thing that took some high end leading research using AI to figure out.

The reason we all have Ukrainian friends is because anyone that could left in the 90s/00s.

The west killed Ukraine with their ignorant bullshit, they're being used as Canon fodder by Eurotrash.

They believe Putin is literally hitler, and yet they can't lift a finger to fund their own god dam military. The Ukrianians are being used as canon fodder so the Eurotrash can avoid buying American made weapons systems.


What eurotrash garbage. Ukrainian blood is on their hands.

What a nasty, short-sighted, and bigoted statement. Ukrainian men are putting up their lives to defend their country and their people  - this wives, elderly, children, and future generations. That deserves respect.

[Gym Rat]

What a nasty, short-sighted, and bigoted statement. Ukrainian men are putting up their lives to defend their country and their people  - this wives, elderly, children, and future generations. That deserves respect.

It sucks (like all wars) the powers that be used citizens to fight the wars they create, while they sit up there in their high-castles..

[dj181]

Russia and Ukraine need to log in here to recruit war experts on how to move FWD. 

I got a direct line to Mr. P bro

[dj181]

It sucks (like all wars) the powers that be used citizens to fight the wars they create, while they sit up there in their high-castles..

Yep

Would love to torture the American ones😉

[BigRo]

I got a direct line to Mr. P bro

call him up and offer to suck his testicles then Orc.

[CalvinH]

Russia doesn't care how may soldiers they lose they are playing the long game. Soon enough the USA and other countries will get bored and find something else to worry about then the Ukraine will be theirs for the taking.