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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83747_Page2.html
We're just getting the admin's official spin bullshit here.
Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan, exchanged thousands of “potentially inappropriate” emails with Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who claimed to have been harassed by the ex-mistress of former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior defense official told POLITICO early Tuesday.
Allen, 58 and married, was nominated in October by President Barack Obama to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of the U.S. European Command. That nomination is now on hold, but Allen will remain commander of U.S. forces and the NATO International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, the official said.
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Ok so all you 9-11 Bush hating conspiracy nuts....the Obama admin has just cleaned house on alot of former and current top military leaders...going back to Stan McCrystal. The current chairman of the joint chiefs is a sheep so he'll stay. Look for Gen Mattis to either be retired or dumped and that will complete the decapitation of top folks. McCrystal/P4/Allen/Caldwell etc etc. Stalin and Hitler did similar things.....but let me guess, nothing to see here right. Failed economy/libya/gas/solyndra/Syria/Iran/unemployment/Bengazzi etc etc ...crickets and then u idiots elected this dumbass again.
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Ok so all you 9-11 Bush hating conspiracy nuts....the Obama admin has just cleaned house on alot of former and current top military leaders...going back to Stan McCrystal. The current chairman of the joint chiefs is a sheep so he'll stay. Look for Gen Mattis to either be retired or dumped and that will complete the decapitation of top folks. McCrystal/P4/Allen/Caldwell etc etc. Stalin and Hitler did similar things.....but let me guess, nothing to see here right. Failed economy/libya/gas/solyndra/Syria/Iran/unemployment/Bengazzi etc etc ...crickets and then u idiots elected this dumbass again.
Stalin and Hitler did some other things as well
Firing generals is not what made them famous.
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Yeah I know........they had to clear house first so they could herd all you sheeple into camps.
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Yeah I know........they had to clear house first so they could herd all you sheeple into camps.
Are you scared Obama is gonna put you in a camp?
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Are you scared Obama is gonna put you in a camp?
He loved it when the Constitution was being systematically destroyed & dismantled.
He thought indefinite detention and dictatorial powers for the President were great things when Bush was in office, ...but he forgot about that pesky little thing called term limits.
Who knows, ...now that Obama is the ultimate decider, maybe he can get rid of term limits all together, and grant himself an indefinite stay in the White House until America's problems are solved, ...or until the War on Terror ends (whichever comes first). Would you like that HH6? How you liking your Patriot Act now?
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These generals were all set up and caught in the honey trap by Obama and his gang of marxist criminals, traitors, thugs, welfare maggots, communists who are afraid that they were going to tell the truth about Obama's treason in Libya. Obama was arming the local Jihadi's in a sort of Fast n Furious in Libya and Amb. Stevens stiffed a few locals who went to get revenge. The idea that this was over a video is as ludicrous and the stupid fucking mental patients who re-elected their God King Cult Messiah ObamaClaus.
A big purge is underway, General Ham was sacked and many others in the Naval Command are being fired as well.
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Petraeus friend Jill Kelley found place hosting military parties [financial woes]
St. Petersburg - Tampa Bay Times ^ | November 13, 2012 | Staff and wires
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:13:09 AM by Cincinatus' Wife
........... Since the Kelleys have been in Tampa, records show, one or both have been subjects of lawsuits nine times — including an $11,000 judgment against them that originated in Pennsylvania.
Ongoing cases, the court records show, include an indebtedness case from Chase Bank; a foreclosure case from Regions Bank; and a credit card case from FIA Card Services.
Not long after the couple arrived in Tampa, Jill Kelley and her identical twin sister, Natalie Khawam, appeared for a taping of the Food Network's reality show, Food Fight.
The segment featured sibling rivalry, with the twins cooking off against two brothers.
A food show, though, was not out of the realm for the sisters.
Growing up in Philadelphia, the sisters were among four children of a couple who had immigrated from Jounieh, Lebanon, in the mid 1970s. The family owned a Middle Eastern restaurant in Philadelphia called Sahara.
The year after the sisters appeared for the show's taping, the Kelleys moved in the Bayshore Boulevard home they had bought for about $1.5 million, property records show.
....... As news of her role in the Petraeus scandal broke Sunday, Jill Kelley was throwing a birthday party for one of her daughters. A media crush waited at the curb. A sole local TV crew remained Monday morning.
By then, the Kelleys had turned to national experts for help.
They hired Abbe Lowell, a Washington lawyer who has represented clients such as former presidential candidate John Edwards and lobbyist Jack Abramoff. And the couple are employing crisis PR person Judy Smith, who has represented big names like Monica Lewinsky, Michael Vick and Kobe Bryant.
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Welcome Back 333386.
Was beginning to fear the Black Helicopters got you.
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Welcome Back 333386.
Was beginning to fear the Black Helicopters got you.
The only good thing about ObamaClaus getting re-elected is that all the nasty shit coming our way wont be blamed on the GOP and he will be mired in scandal for 4 years.
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These generals were all set up and caught in the honey trap by Obama and his gang of marxist criminals, traitors, thugs, welfare maggots, communists who are afraid that they were going to tell the truth about Obama's treason in Libya. Obama was arming the local Jihadi's in a sort of Fast n Furious in Libya and Amb. Stevens stiffed a few locals who went to get revenge. The idea that this was over a video is as ludicrous and the stupid fucking mental patients who re-elected their God King Cult Messiah ObamaClaus.
A big purge is underway, General Ham was sacked and many others in the Naval Command are being fired as well.
The only people unaware of the fact that NATO armed & aided AlQ terrorists in Libya in order to destroy Libya & replace Ghaddaffi is an idiot living in a FOX news echo chamber (aka a Republican)
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The only good thing about ObamaClaus getting re-elected is that all the nasty shit coming our way wont be blamed on the GOP and he will be mired in scandal for 4 years.
How's the hangover? It must have been a biyatch!
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The only people unaware of the fact that NATO armed & aided AlQ terrorists in Libya in order to destroy Libya & replace Ghaddaffi is an idiot living in a FOX news echo chamber (aka a Republican)
Heck I said it at the time and everyone called me crazy. Where did those 20,000 SAM's go? Where did all the arms of the Libyan army go? hhhmmmmm????? Why no security at the embassy?
Very simple - we didnt need it since we were buddy buddies w the jihadi's and arming them. Stevens got caught up in the gun running and stiffed or got double crossed by some of the locals.
Has nothing to do w incompetence. Obama refused a marine contingent there since if the military got wind of the CIA's ops in running guns to the al queada they would have blown the lid on this insanity.
Only a truly delusional fucking idiot blames a video for this.
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How's the hangover? It must have been a biyatch!
In retrospect - i was wrong about a lot of things but right about a lot of others too. Benny keeps posting my original thoughts on Romney and I should have stayed w that since my initial assessment was right.
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Petraeus helps whistleblower's unstable twin in nasty custody fight
ny post ^ | 11/12 | NY post
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:31:23 AM
Gen. David Petraeus sure loved helping his lady friends.
While he was director of the CIA, Petraeus wrote a letter supporting the child-custody fight of the “psychologically unstable” twin sister of his close friend Jill Kelley — whose bombshell claims of being threatened by his lover led to the top spy’s resignation last week, sources told The Post.
The four-star general’s letter to the court — written in the past two months — supported a motion to overturn a ruling made nearly a year earlier by a judge who resoundingly denied custody to Kelley’s sister, Natalie Khawam, because of serious reservations about her honesty and mental stability, court records show.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/12/report-fbi-agent-who-investigated-broadwell-sent-shirtless-photos-to-other-woman-in-case/comment-page-1
Unreal.
What a bunch of morons.
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Ok so all you 9-11 Bush hating conspiracy nuts....the Obama admin has just cleaned house on alot of former and current top military leaders...going back to Stan McCrystal. The current chairman of the joint chiefs is a sheep so he'll stay. Look for Gen Mattis to either be retired or dumped and that will complete the decapitation of top folks. McCrystal/P4/Allen/Caldwell etc etc. Stalin and Hitler did similar things.....but let me guess, nothing to see here right. Failed economy/libya/gas/solyndra/Syria/Iran/unemployment/Bengazzi etc etc ...crickets and then u idiots elected this dumbass again.
It'll be a sad day if they dump Chaos.
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Fox News source: Yes, the CIA was holding prisoners at the Benghazi annex
Hotair ^ | 11/12/2012 | AllahPundit
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 7:48:06 PM
Just a single source, but this does jibe with what Broadwell said in her Denver speech.
In the original Oct. 26 Fox News report, sources at the annex said that the CIA’s Global Response Staff had handed over three Libyan militia members to the Libyan authorities who came to rescue the 30 Americans in the early hours of Sept. 12.
A well-placed Washington source confirms to Fox News that there were Libyan militiamen being held at the CIA annex in Benghazi and that their presence was being looked at as a possible motive for the staged attack on the consulate and annex that night.
According to multiple intelligence sources who have served in Benghazi, there were more than just Libyan militia members who were held and interrogated by CIA contractors at the CIA annex in the days prior to the attack. Other prisoners from additional countries in Africa and the Middle East were brought to this location.
The Libya annex was the largest CIA station in North Africa, and two weeks prior to the attack, the CIA was preparing to shut it down. Most prisoners, according to British and American intelligence sources, had been moved two weeks earlier.
Two separate questions here. One: Is the CIA still operating secret prisons and, if so, how are they questioning their prisoners? Enhanced interrogation is the only part of the Bush counterterror playbook that O hasn’t adopted, or so we’ve assumed. We’ll see. Two: Did Ansar al-Sharia and its partners in jihad find out about the prisoners and attack the annex on 9/11 to try to free them? I’m thinking … probably not, for the reasons Ed gave this morning. If they thought there were prisoners at the annex, why’d they attack the consulate first and give up the advantage of surprise? The attack on the consulate wasn’t a diversion, either: According to the CIA’s timeline, the first attack at the annex didn’t happen until 11:56 p.m., more than two hours after the consulate attack had begun and after the CIA security team had already returned from the consulate to the annex. That makes it sound like the jihadis tailed the CIA’s people back to the annex; if they were planning an ambush to free prisoners, they should have had people pre-positioned there to move in as soon as they saw the CIA security team leave for the consulate earlier in the evening. And again, per Ed, if you were going to hold prisoners somewhere in the Middle East, why on earth would you choose a city as unstable as Benghazi?
Besides, the timeline of the Petraeus/Broadwell affair is hard to square with the idea of her being privy to secret info about Benghazi. Quote:
The affair between Gen. Petraeus and Broadwell, both of whom are married, began several months after his retirement from the army in August 2011 and ended four months ago, retired U.S. Army Col. Steve Boylan, who is a former Petraeus spokesperson, told ABC News…
Petraeus is said to have been the one to have broken off the extramarital affair.
If — if — all of that is accurate, then it sounds like Petraeus dumped Broadwell sometime in July and, given what we now know about those threatening e-mails that she sent to another woman, she probably didn’t take the news all that well. In which case, why would he still be sharing secrets with her two months later, after the Benghazi attack? Was Broadwell really revealing classified info in her Denver speech or was she just misremembering a report from earlier that day on Fox News? She did, reportedly, have classified documents on her computer, but both she and Petraeus claimed they didn’t come from him. And in fact, because of her background in the military, Broadwell allegedly had “a top secret/SCI clearance and then some.” She might have had access to info about Benghazi, and classified documents about whatever, from her contacts in the national security bureaucracy, entirely independent of Petraeus.
But maybe that timeline isn’t accurate. Petraeus’s allies might be keen to claim that the affair didn’t start until after he’d left the military because adultery is an infraction of the UCMJ. If the affair began while he was still in uniform, it’s not only a moral failing but potentially a legal issue.
Now, help me answer three questions. First, why did the FBI pursue its investigation of the cyber-harassment of Jill Kelley all the way back to Petraeus? My understanding from reading a bunch of stories this morning is that Kelley reported the harassment, the FBI quickly launched an investigation (no one’s sure why it was such a priority for them but maybe it has to do with Kelley’s JSOC connection), and they traced the harassing e-mails back to Broadwell. But they didn’t stop there; evidently they started digging around to see who was e-mailing Broadwell too, and they traced that back to a pseudonymous Gmail account operated by Petraeus. Er … why did they do that? Once they knew who the cyber-harasser was, why was it necessary to keep digging and piece out the entire love triangle? They’d found their suspect.
Second, why is Jill Kelley suddenly hiring some very expensive attorneys? Not only hasn’t she been accused of anything — not even an affair with Petraeus — but Petraeus and Broadwell aren’t being charged with any crimes either. Second look at what Broadwell’s father told the Daily News this morning?
Third, I have a post up in the Greenroom noting that Petraeus and Broadwell seemed conspicuously “together” as early as 2010, with even Mrs. Petraeus likely becoming aware of it before last Friday. John Brennan, Obama’s White House counterterror czar, allegedly learned of the affair in summer 2011 — before Petraeus was named the new CIA chief. That being so, how were Obama and James Clapper supposedly kept in the dark until last week? The One should be spitting mad that he wasn’t kept fully informed about potential liabilities of one of the most sensitive hires he’ll make as president. In theory, Petraeus could have been blackmailed or hacked or otherwise compromised, with catastrophic consequences for national security and O’s presidential legacy — and yet the FBI kept things hush-hush, even from their boss, until just a few days ago. Why? Here’s Scarborough and Peter King wondering. Key bit at 4:00.
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Heck I said it at the time and everyone called me crazy. Where did those 20,000 SAM's go? Where did all the arms of the Libyan army go? hhhmmmmm????? Why no security at the embassy?
Very simple - we didnt need it since we were buddy buddies w the jihadi's and arming them. Stevens got caught up in the gun running and stiffed or got double crossed by some of the locals.
Has nothing to do w incompetence. Obama refused a marine contingent there since if the military got wind of the CIA's ops in running guns to the al queada they would have blown the lid on this insanity.
Only a truly delusional fucking idiot blames a video for this.
I believe it was the CIA and the State Dept that kept promoting the idea that it was from a video.
In any event, I see this as no different from any of the other dastardly deeds done by the CIA.
If I recall they were using the profits from their cocaine sales in America to run weapons into Iran during a time when there was an embargo against Iran. They were selling weapons to both Iran AND Iraq exascerbating a long drawn out war for both sides. Can you recall the Iran Contra hearings? They've been arming dictators, terrorists, and anything else that will do their bidding for as long as they've been in power, ...and from my perspective that's been forever... they don't care about the ramifications or the effects on Americans. They just keep their fingers crossed that the inevitable blowback occurs on someone else's watch.
Most often these things are done in such a way as to create plausible deniability for the President.
An "investigation" could very well reveal these operations were done with neither the knowledge nor consent of the President, and as soon as he discovered what was going on, he took swift, decisive, and immediate action to put an end to the madness, contain the damage... ensure the safety of our friends in the region, and move America forward on the road to healing, jobs, and economic recovery" yada yada yada...
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The "video" is so stupid as an excuse. There are tens of thousands of videos on the youtube with people pissing and shitting on the koran that have been there for years now.
I believe it was the CIA and the State Dept that kept promoting the idea that it was from a video.
In any event, I see this as no different from any of the other dastardly deeds done by the CIA.
If I recall they were using the profits from their cocaine sales in America to run weapons into Iran during a time when there was an embargo against Iran. They were selling weapons to both Iran AND Iraq exascerbating a long drawn out war for both sides. Can you recall the Iran Contra hearings? They've been arming dictators, terrorists, and anything else that will do their bidding for as long as they've been in power, ...and from my perspective that's been forever... they don't care about the ramifications or the effects on Americans. They just keep their fingers crossed that the inevitable blowback occurs on someone else's watch.
Most often these things are done in such a way as to create plausible deniability for the President.
An "investigation" could very well reveal these operations were done with neither the knowledge nor consent of the President, and as soon as he discovered what was going on, he took swift, decisive, and immediate action to put an end to the madness, contain the damage... ensure the safety of our friends in the region, and move America forward on the road to healing, jobs, and economic recovery" yada yada yada...
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In retrospect - i was wrong about a lot of things but right about a lot of others too. Benny keeps posting my original thoughts on Romney and I should have stayed w that since my initial assessment was right.
If only others on this board could admit when they're wrong too. It would be better discussion.
Welcome back - your children were lost without you.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-beck-breaks-down-petraeus-scandal-what-are-the-odds
Good discussion.
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If only others on this board could admit when they're wrong too. It would be better discussion.
Welcome back - your children were lost without you.
I guess my hatred and disgust of obama sort of clowded my ability to see realistically how romney was coming across to people.
I was wrong - what else am I going to say?
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FBI agents inside home of Charlotte author investigated in Petraeus scandal
AP ^
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 10:15:10 PM by
Federal agents are inside the home of the Charlotte author at the center of a scandal involving CIA Director David Petraeus, who resigned on Friday.
The Federal Bureau of Investigations confirms that it has agents inside Paula Broadwell's Dilworth home.
While agents on scene would not confirm what they were looking for, nearly a dozen agents were seen carrying boxes and taking photographs inside the home.
Paula Broadwell, the biographer who wrote a book about retired four-star general David Petraeus, 60, has not been seen at her Dilworth home since the news connecting her to an extramarital affair with Petraeus.
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According to multiple intelligence sources who have served in Benghazi, there were more than just Libyan militia members who were held and interrogated by CIA contractors at the CIA annex in the days prior to the attack. Other prisoners from additional countries in Africa and the Middle East were brought to this location.
That changes a ton, doesn't it?
Secret illegal prison on another nation's soil where people imprisoned by US are being tortured.
Changes narrative for the left, AND the right.
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Now we know why Romney never said shit about Libya. Once he started getting intel briefings he probably knew this entire scandal was going to erupt.
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I guess my hatred and disgust of obama sort of clowded my ability to see realistically how romney was coming across to people.
I was wrong - what else am I going to say?
It's all good, hope affects vision all the time.
Now we get another 4 years of lack luster at best.
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I guess my hatred and disgust of obama sort of clowded my ability to see realistically how romney was coming across to people.
I was wrong - what else am I going to say?
LANDSLIDE COMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/petraeus-mistress-bombarded-whistleblower-emails-article-1.1201051
Lots and lots of info.
What a frigging mess.
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this story would have def changed the election.
33, why do you suppose FOX news knew it was a secret illegal prison on Oct 26, but refused to run the story? It sure would have hurt 0Bama.
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https://twitter.com/KarlRove/status/212180677532205056/photo/1
Oh WTF is this?
Rove knew this chick too?
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These generals were all set up and caught in the honey trap by Obama and his gang of marxist criminals, traitors, thugs, welfare maggots, communists who are afraid that they were going to tell the truth about Obama's treason in Libya. Obama was arming the local Jihadi's in a sort of Fast n Furious in Libya and Amb. Stevens stiffed a few locals who went to get revenge. The idea that this was over a video is as ludicrous and the stupid fucking mental patients who re-elected their God King Cult Messiah ObamaClaus.
A big purge is underway, General Ham was sacked and many others in the Naval Command are being fired as well.
It looks like Obama's second victory caused even more brain damage than the first one
How many hours did you spend banging your head against the wall after you realized he won?
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https://twitter.com/KarlRove/status/212180677532205056/photo/1
Oh WTF is this?
Rove knew this chick too?
FOX had the biographer - ON VIDEO - admitting it was a secret illegal prison. They had it on Oct 26th.
WHY didn't they run with this story??????????
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Was Petraeus Forced Out To Silence His Account Of Benghazi killings? (friends say yes)
UK Telegraph ^ | Last updated: November 12th, 2012 | By Con Coughlin
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 9:23:23 PM
As they say in politics, timing is everything, and the shock resignation of David Petraeus as CIA director raises serious questions about whether this was genuinely a resignation caused by his affair with his biographer, or whether it was a hatchet job by Barack Obama's administration to prevent him giving evidence this Thursday to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
The general's friends tell me that his sudden departure from Langley has nevertheless raised suspicions that his political enemies in the Obama administration – and there are many – used his dalliance to force him out of the CIA before he could make damaging allegations about the handling of the al-Qaeda attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi last September, in which US Ambassador Chris Stephens and three other staff died.
Gen Petraeus is a political animal – it was even rumoured that he might run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. The Obama crowd certainly saw him in those terms, which is why he was shunted off to the CIA in the first place, rather than being allowed to achieve his long-cherished ambition of becoming head of America's armed forces.
If Gen Petraeus harboured any thoughts of revenge, then Thursday's session of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation into the Benghazi killings offered him the perfect platform.
As CIA Director, Gen Petraeus would have all the details of who was responsible for this glaring security breach, and there were many senior members of the Obama administration who had good reason to silence him so they could save their own skins.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
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Was Petraeus Forced Out To Silence His Account Of Benghazi killings?
I think it's pretty obvious, not even debatable. He woudl perjure himself if he took the stand as planned.
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Was Petraeus Forced Out To Silence His Account Of Benghazi killings? (friends say yes)
UK Telegraph ^ | Last updated: November 12th, 2012 | By Con Coughlin
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 9:23:23 PM
As they say in politics, timing is everything, and the shock resignation of David Petraeus as CIA director raises serious questions about whether this was genuinely a resignation caused by his affair with his biographer, or whether it was a hatchet job by Barack Obama's administration to prevent him giving evidence this Thursday to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
The general's friends tell me that his sudden departure from Langley has nevertheless raised suspicions that his political enemies in the Obama administration – and there are many – used his dalliance to force him out of the CIA before he could make damaging allegations about the handling of the al-Qaeda attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi last September, in which US Ambassador Chris Stephens and three other staff died.
Gen Petraeus is a political animal – it was even rumoured that he might run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. The Obama crowd certainly saw him in those terms, which is why he was shunted off to the CIA in the first place, rather than being allowed to achieve his long-cherished ambition of becoming head of America's armed forces.
If Gen Petraeus harboured any thoughts of revenge, then Thursday's session of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation into the Benghazi killings offered him the perfect platform.
As CIA Director, Gen Petraeus would have all the details of who was responsible for this glaring security breach, and there were many senior members of the Obama administration who had good reason to silence him so they could save their own skins.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
How does resigning prevent him from giving evidence?
Is there some rule that if he's not the CIA director that he can't testify?
I think it's pretty obvious, not even debatable. He woudl perjure himself if he took the stand as planned.
What do you mean? what's the difference between him now and before?
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Was Petraeus Forced Out To Silence His Account Of Benghazi killings? (friends say yes)
UK Telegraph ^ | Last updated: November 12th, 2012 | By Con Coughlin
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 9:23:23 PM
As they say in politics, timing is everything, and the shock resignation of David Petraeus as CIA director raises serious questions about whether this was genuinely a resignation caused by his affair with his biographer, or whether it was a hatchet job by Barack Obama's administration to prevent him giving evidence this Thursday to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
The general's friends tell me that his sudden departure from Langley has nevertheless raised suspicions that his political enemies in the Obama administration – and there are many – used his dalliance to force him out of the CIA before he could make damaging allegations about the handling of the al-Qaeda attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi last September, in which US Ambassador Chris Stephens and three other staff died.
Gen Petraeus is a political animal – it was even rumoured that he might run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. The Obama crowd certainly saw him in those terms, which is why he was shunted off to the CIA in the first place, rather than being allowed to achieve his long-cherished ambition of becoming head of America's armed forces.
If Gen Petraeus harboured any thoughts of revenge, then Thursday's session of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation into the Benghazi killings offered him the perfect platform.
As CIA Director, Gen Petraeus would have all the details of who was responsible for this glaring security breach, and there were many senior members of the Obama administration who had good reason to silence him so they could save their own skins.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
what's stopping him from still testifying if he wants to?
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what's stopping him from still testifying if he wants to?
If they can smear him and make him look like a dishonest cheat, they can say "Are you lying now like you did to your wife of 38 years?"
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If they can smear him and make him look like a dishonest cheat, they can say "Are you lying now like you did to your wife of 38 years?"
2 different things, but it would likely help. Yet there is still what he actually says and if he feels he was unjustly outted he may retaliate heavier which may be a miscalculation if there is a conspriacy by OB and co.
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2 different things, but it would likely help. Yet there is still what he actually says and if he feels he was unjustly outted he may retaliate heavier which may be a miscalculation if there is a conspriacy by OB and co.
Who knows. The timing of this is very suspicious.
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Who knows. The timing of this is very suspicious.
Agreed, the timing is suspect, but the does the reality still remain?.... What prevent him from giving testimony?
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Agreed, the timing is suspect, but the does the reality still remain?.... What prevent him from giving testimony?
I think he will give some bogus meally mouthed testimony that is a word jumble of bs and just go on w his life out of fear for his family etc. He will punk out.
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Rep. Chaffetz: Special Warrants Needed in Petraeus Probe Suggest FBI Found More Than Sex
Nov 13, 2012
http://blogs.defensenews.com/intercepts/2012/11/rep-chaffetz-special-warrants-needed-in-petraeus-probe-suggests-fbi-found-more-than-sex
By John T. Bennettin Afghanistan, Capitol Hill, DoD, Intercepts, International, Marine Corps, Policy1 CommentTags: afghanistan, Allen, Paula Broadwell, Petraeus, Scandal
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, listens during a recent House hearing. Chaffetz noted Tuesday that because the FBI would have needed a FISA Court warrant to access private email accounts, there is reason to wonder whether the emerging Petraeus-Allen sex scandal has national security implications. (Photo by Brendan Hoffman/Getty Images)
Was it merely about sex among married adults?
Cutting directly to the brass tacks of the FBI investigation that forced former CIA Director David Petraeus to retire leads one to the question. One senior House member says there is evidence that the unfolding scandal is about more.
The scandal now is threatening the military career of Marine Gen. James Allen, commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, as well.
Petraeus resigned Friday (Nov. 9), citing an extramarital affair. The FBI over the summer began looking harassing emails sent by the woman with whom Petraeus was involved, Paula Broadwell, to another woman, Jill Kelley.
In a twist revealed early Tuesday (Nov. 13), Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced President Obama has frozen Allen’s nomination to become U.S. European Command because the FBI found potentially up to 30,000 pages of email correspondence between Allen and Kelley.
Talk radio and cable television have floated some wild conspiracy theories. But, mostly, lawmakers have used the same word as the rest of us when asked about the unfolding scandal: “Bizarre.”
The FBI concluded Petraeus had violated no criminal laws nor threatened U.S. national security.
So, the investigation was merely about a sexual relationship between a married CIA boss and his married biographer, and a potential relationship between a married Afghanistan war commander and a married Joint Special Operations Command unpaid social liaison (Kelley), right?
There is one big reason to think, until more is known, to the contrary, says a senior House Republican.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform National Security, Homeland Defense and Foreign Operations subcommittee, noted Tuesday on CNN that to gain access to the private email accounts of those involved the FBI would have had to get a special warrant.
To get that warrant, the bureau would have had to go to the post-9/11 “FISA Court,” short for Foreign Intelligence Surviellance Court. It is largely used to aid federal investigators in national security-related probes.
The use of the FISA warrants, Chaffetz said during a morning interview, has him wonder if the investigation is about “something more” than simply generals allegedly behaving badly.
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FBI agent involved in the case was sending shirtless photos of himself to the woman who made the claims against Broadwell
more here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324439804578115410189757452.html
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Agreed, the timing is suspect, but the does the reality still remain?.... What prevent him from giving testimony?
Because they said so:
http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-to-miss-benghazi-hearings-2012-11
It's official. Hilary can't testify becase she's "on travel" and the new CIA boss will testify for Patraeus, probably saying "I dont know" about 75 times lol...
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FBI agent involved in the case was sending shirtless photos of himself to the woman who made the claims against Broadwell
more here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324439804578115410189757452.html
Unreal. This chick really had the guys swooning. Wonder what she was trading.
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Unreal. This chick really had the guys swooning. Wonder what she was trading.
we're going to find out more about what the motivation of this fbi agent really was
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we're going to find out more about what the motivation of this fbi agent really was
The woman is not all that. Sure she looks hitable - but she is no bombshell.
These floozies' husbands must fell like S$%!
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:D
P4's wife looks like hell. No wonder he got it on w the army chick. That old battle axe looks worse that barbara bush
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The woman is not all that. Sure she looks hitable - but she is no bombshell.
These floozies' husbands must fell like S$%!
his motivation was likely similar to your motivation on this board
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Petraeus Scandal May Reveal ‘Dereliction of Duty’ By Holder
PJ Media ^ | November 13, 2012 | Bridget Johnson
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:37:11 PM
The head of the House Homeland Security Committee said Attorney General Eric Holder may have committed a “real dereliction of duty” if he didn’t immediately report the investigation into former CIA Director David Petraeus to President Obama.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said on CNN last night politics “could have been” in play if that was the case.
“The fact that this became an FBI investigation to begin with, then to me, once Director Petraeus came within the scope of the investigation, it’s almost unprecedented for the FBI to be investigating the director of the CIA,” King said, making a case that the facts heretofore don’t add up. “If they were going to do that, they should have immediately gone to the attorney general and also to the president of the United States because David Petraeus was a key part of the president’s foreign policy team.”
“I’m not talking about guilt or innocence. I’m saying he’s under a cloud. And I have great admiration for David Petraeus. I urged him to run for president. I’ve worked with him. He’s a tremendous patriot. But once he came under this scope of the investigation, they had to have — they should have notified the president because David Petraeus was involved in some of the most sensitive negotiations around the world,” King added.
He stressed that once the investigation, which reportedly began a few months before Obama was told, became apparent to Holder in September, the attorney general should have immediately told the commander in chief.
“It’s the president that runs foreign policy, not the attorney general,” the congressman said, adding that Holder has “failed terribly” at his job if he sat on the news.
“If the president did find out about it and didn’t act on it until after the election, that’s equally wrong. But if Holder knew about it, if the attorney general knew about it in September, I believe he had the absolute obligation to tell the president in fairness to the president what was happening,” King said.
He said his panel doesn’t have enough information yet to know if national security was compromised.
“And then when we had Benghazi, I think if we on the intelligence committee had known about this investigation going on, we may have looked at David Petraeus, the evidence he gave us, somewhat differently because most of what he told us then has pretty much been disproven since, and again, I think we may have looked at that differently,” King said.
“If he knew that he was being investigated, for instance, if David Petraeus was aware of that, he may have again tried to either tailor the testimony or modify it or do something which is not going to draw attention to himself,” he continued. “I mean human nature, if you know there’s a massive investigation going on, which could bring down your career, you may be less inclined to go all out.”
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Now we know why Romney never said shit about Libya. Once he started getting intel briefings he probably knew this entire scandal was going to erupt.
good point. But FOX? What was their agenda? They knew it was a secret illegal torture prison, and they knew the reason the attackers lasted 7 hours of battle is that their people were being held illegally.
It would have changed EVERYTHING - even the way the victims were perceived, unfortunately.
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good point. But FOX? What was their agenda? They knew it was a secret illegal torture prison, and they knew the reason the attackers lasted 7 hours of battle is that their people were being held illegally.
It would have changed EVERYTHING - even the way the victims were perceived, unfortunately.
Maybe they figure they get better ratings w obama in office?
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Maybe they figure they get better ratings w obama in office?
Lol could be true actually ;D
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232130/FBI-agent-sent-topless-pictures-David-Petraeus-whistleblower-Jill-Kelley.html
Unreal. We have clowns running this country.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/forget-what-jill-kelley-says-there-is-no-such-thing-as-an-unpaid-social-liaison-2012-11
I'll bet this chick was setting up orgies or swinger parties w the brass.
I bet she even taped some of it too. She just hired a high prices sex scandal lawyer too boot.
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Petraeus Affair Could End Broadwell's Army Career (But She Won't Be Prosecuted for Adultery)
Military Dot Com ^ | 13 Nov 12 | Bryant Jordan
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:02:56 PM
The Army Reserve officer alleged to have had an affair with former CIA Director and retired Army Gen. David Petraeus could be forced out of the service.
Paula Broadwell, a lieutenant colonel with a top secret security clearance, is under investigation by the FBI for sending anonymous, threatening emails to a Florida woman who is friends with Petraeus. The FBI traced the emails to Broadwell’s computer, and in so doing uncovered evidence of her affair with Petraeus.
No charges have been filed against Broadwell. However, the emails, as well as public statements she reportedly made about the U.S. consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya, could end her 15-year military career, according to Phil Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate in Washington DC who specializes in military law in private practice.
"If there is an issue with her judgment they can seek to revoke her clearance," Cave said on Monday, noting Broadwell's reported statements that the CIA was holding prisoners in the Benghazi compound that came under attack. The CIA has denied it was holding prisoners and that detail has been reported by no other media outlet.
If officials can determine that Broadwell committed any offenses or unprofessional conduct during a current period of active duty, she could be flagged and held on active duty for prosecution the same as any other active-duty member, Cave said. That would make her subject to all the disciplinary actions available, including letters of reprimand or dismissal. If she is in a Reserve unit and not on orders then any action likely would be limited to administrative punishment, which still could include being dismissed from the service, Cave said.
Cave did not expect prosecutors to pursue adultery charges against Broadwell, a punishable offense in the U.S. military.
"I doubt she'd be prosecuted for the adultery."
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If only others on this board could admit when they're wrong too. It would be better discussion.
Welcome back - your children were lost without you.
:)
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Petraeus whistle blower and her surgeon husband are 'broke, owe millions and ...
Daily Mail UK ^ | 11-13-12
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:42:48 PM
Petraeus whistle blower and her surgeon husband are 'broke, owe millions and are the target of foreclosures'
The housewife and whistle blower at the center of the David Petraeus sex scandal and another involving General John Allen may have been hoping for some financial gain by lifting the lid on the affair, after it emerged today she and her husband are broke.
Tampa socialite Jill Kelley, 37, and her cancer surgeon husband Scott owe millions to banks after the collapse of their real estate holdings in 2010.
The Kelleys are currently the targets of at least four indebtedness lawsuits and two foreclosures in Hillsborough County, according to court records.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232271/David-Petraeus-whistle-blower-Jill-Kelley-husband-broke-owe-millions-target-foreclosures.html#ixzz2C855jQl5 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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CIA Sex Scandal: Petraeus Florida Rat Owes Millions!
Posted by Jose Lambiet , November 12, 2012 Print
Tampa socialite Jill Kelley, the second woman who emerged as a player in the CIA sex scandal that cost Director David Petraeus his job, leaves her home without commenting this morning (Splash News)
There could be a good financial reason why Tampa socialite Jill Kelley blew the whistle on ex-CIA boss David Petraeus‘ affair with his biographer.
The story of the sexy tattletale’s takedown of master spy Petraeus is now worth millions!
And it so happens that social climber Jill and her oncologist hubby Scott Kelley owe millions to banks after the collapse of their real estate holdings in 2010, Gossip Extra has learned.
Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus (Splash News)
The Kelleys currently are the targets of at least four indebtedness lawsuits, and two foreclosures in Hillsborough County, according to court records.
And they’re fighting to keep their properties, the records show.
– UPDATE: Another general’s ”inappropriate” email exchanges with Jill Kelley under investigation
None of the half dozen lawyers hired by the Kelleys to fight off banks and credit card companies returned calls or emails to discuss their cases.
And the Kelleys are communicating with the reporters through bland statements, none of them addressing their finances.
But the lawsuits could help the public understand why Jill Kelley, who’s better known in Tampa for the charity parties on the front lawn of her house, is now at the center of a major scandal.
According to published records, Jill Kelley brought emails she received from Petraeus’ alleged mistress, biographer Paula Broadwell, to the FBI.
That sparked a domino effect that culminated with the married Petraeus’ resignation from the spy agency last week, and his admission of an inappropriate relationship.
According to Tampa’s newspapers, the Kelleys and Petraeus became friends after he took over the military’s Central Command at Tampa’s McDill Air Force Base in 2008.
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At the time, Jill Kelley was a volunteer social liaison at the base.
Broadwell’s emails, however, hinted at more between Petraeus and Jill Kelley. If nothing else, the emails showed that Broadwell considered Jill as a rival for Petraeus’ attention.
Jill and Scott Kelley’s historic home, used to entertain ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, has been in foreclosure for nearly two years (Splash News)
Regions Bank, meanwhile, is trying to foreclose on the Kelleys historic waterfront house. That’s where the Kelley’s famously entertained Petraeus and his wife Holly in February 2010 during the Gasparilla boat parade.
Hillsborough records show the Kelleys bought the Georgian brick mansion in 2004 for $1.5 million. And Region now claims they defaulted on a $271,000-credit line with their house, at 1005 Bayshore Boulevard, as collateral.
The five-bedroomer, in the Hyde Park district, is currently worth $840,000, according to the county’s property appraiser.
Worse: Central Bank is trying to foreclose on a $2.1 million note it holds on a 12,000-square-foot downtown Tampa office building owned by the Kelleys!
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/battle_john_allen_also_helped_jill_YjkEYUNY2INC4smBMEYqUI
Oh WTF!!!!
These dudes are really a joke. P4 and Allen are a joke. God god WTF are these tools thinking? Getting involved in a custody battle on behalf of these two sluts? lmfao!!!!
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These generals were all set up and caught in the honey trap by Obama and his gang of marxist criminals, traitors, thugs, welfare maggots, communists who are afraid that they were going to tell the truth about Obama's treason in Libya. Obama was arming the local Jihadi's in a sort of Fast n Furious in Libya and Amb. Stevens stiffed a few locals who went to get revenge. The idea that this was over a video is as ludicrous and the stupid fucking mental patients who re-elected their God King Cult Messiah ObamaClaus.
A big purge is underway, General Ham was sacked and many others in the Naval Command are being fired as well.
No one called you on this BS other than Strawman? I guess you're considered "special" and off limits since your return....
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No one called you on this BS other than Strawman? I guess you're considered "special" and off limits since your return....
The libyan govt said the video had nothing to do the attack remember?
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The libyan govt said the video had nothing to do the attack remember?
The Generals were set up and caught in a honey trap by Obama? Oh please! ::) And here I thought you were big on personal responsibility. Now its "Obama made me do it!"
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The Generals were set up and caught in a honey trap by Obama? Oh please! ::) And here I thought you were big on personal responsibility. Now its "Obama made me do it!"
I think Obama knew all along that P4 was having an affair and blackmailed him to go out and parrot the lie about the video.
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I think Obama knew all along that P4 was having an affair and blackmailed him to go out and parrot the lie about the video.
And I think there are purple elephants in pink tights orbiting venus on tricycles...
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And I think there are purple elephants in pink tights orbiting venus on tricycles...
Believe what you want - the libyan govt said the day after the attack the video had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
P4, Hillary, O-THUG, Rice all went out there and pushed that lie.
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Believe what you want - the libyan govt said the day after the attack the video had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
P4, Hillary, O-THUG, Rice all went out there and pushed that lie.
My hang up is with you not being able to see the more likely answer. Is it more likely Obama created an elaborate plan to trap two Generals, or the Generals, on their own, used poor judgement?
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Would not surprise me.
Krauthammer: White House May Have Used Petraeus Affair to Influence Benghazi Testimony
Wednesday, 14 Nov 2012
By Bill Hoffmann
Government officials may have used former CIA director David Petraeus’ affair with Paula Broadwell as a bargaining chip to influence what he told Congress about the September 11th attack of the U.S. Embassy in Libya, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer says.
“Here’s a man who knows the administration holds his fate in his hands,’’ Krauthammer told Fox News’ “Special Report’’ on Tuesday night.
“And he gives testimony completely at variance with what the secretary of defense had said the day before, at variance with what he heard from the station chief in Tripoli, and with everything that we had heard.
“Was he influenced by the fact he knew his fate was held by people in the administration at that time?”
Krauthammer said he found it “shocking’’ Petraeus “thought and hoped he could keep his job.
“He thought that it might and would be kept secret, and then he could stay in his position. I think what that tells us is really important.
“It meant that he understood that the FBI obviously knew what was going on. He was hoping that those administration officials would not disclose what had happen and therefore hoping that he would keep his job.
“And that meant that he understood that his job, his reputation, his legacy, his whole celebrated life was in the hands of the administration. And he expected they would protect him by keeping it quiet.”
Petraeus reportedly told congressional intelligence leaders days after the attack that he believed it was spontaneous.
“That brings us to the ultimate issue, and that is his testimony on Sept. 13,” Krauthammer said.
“That’s the thing that connects the two scandals. And that’s the only thing that makes the sex scandal relevant. Otherwise it would be exercise in sensationalism and voyeurism, and nothing else.’’
http://www.newsmax.com/SpecialCoverage/petraeus-affair-paula-broadwell/2012/11/14/id/464078
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The libyan govt said the video had nothing to do the attack remember?
Glen beck told us about the new libyan govt, remember? You trust their word?
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Petraeus Socialite Jill Kelley Banned From Military Base
radar online ^ | 11/14 | radar online
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:07:52 PM by RummyChick
Jill Kelley is no longer welcome at MacDill AFB. The socialite who launched the David Petraeus sex scandal that's now also enveloped General John Allen, has been banned from the Tampa military base where she met both the four star military men, the Tampa Tribune is reporting.
"She did have base access but does not currently because of her involvement in an ongoing investigation," a military official told the Tribune.
PHOTOS: Jill Kelley Arrives At Her Tampa Bay Home
The slam from her former best buddies in uniform comes on top of revelations of the Kelley family's dismal financial picture.
Regions Bank filed a foreclosure lawsuit against Jill and Scott Kelley in April 2010, claiming they failed to make payments on the mansion where they often entertained Gen. Petraeus, Gen. John Allen and other top military men. The bank demands repayment of $1.8 million in principal and interest on the mortgage and is foreclosing on the property.
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And the couple's Kelley Land Holdings defaulted on a $2.1 million loan from Central Bank. It was secured by a commercial building in Tampa, which the bank eventually took back. Then there's FIA Card Services that sued Jill Kelley for defaulting on more than $25,000 in credit card debt.
Kelley had been functioning as an unpaid social liaison at MacDill, where Petraeus and Allen - his successor as the top military commander in Afghanistan. Kelley met both men in 2008 when they were based at MacDill with the U.S. Central Command.
PHOTOS: Paula Broadwell Promotes Her David Petraeus Biography
As RadarOnline.com has been reporting, when Kelley began receiving anonymous threatening emails telling her to stay away from her friend, General-turned CIA Director David Petraeus, she turned to the FBI for help. The agency's investigation uncovered that the emails were sent by Paula Broadwell who they then accidentally discovered was having an affair with Petraeus!
Kelley may soon be told to stop using any kind of official title.
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"There’s no such thing [as social liaison] one officer told The Washington Post. The made-up title appears to be a polite way of saying 'rich Tampa socialite who likes to hang with four-star generals.'"
And there's already an investigation into how Kelley qualified for her "Honorary Consul" license plate from the state of Florida.
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Jill Kelley outraged other military liaisons with her flirty ways [Her fee was $80 million] $80MIL
Tampa Bay ^ | 11/14/12
Posted on November 14, 2012 10:16:32 PM EST by BunnySlippers
Adam Victor, president of TransGas Development in New York, was in town to network and find business opportunities. Someone introduced him to Kelley, and the two spoke in a VIP section of the convention hall.
Victor said Kelley described herself as a close friend to Petraeus, which impressed him. In fact, he said, Kelley told him she might help him with a coal gasification project in South Korea. She said she could gain him access to the highest levels of the South Korean government, Victor said.
Kelley told him she was an honorary consul for South Korea, and Victor said she told him she had obtained the position with the help of Petraeus.
Kelley and Victor later met in New York. Kelley mentioned her fee if any deal was brokered — $80 million. The fee was so unrealistic and excessive, Victor said, he immediately realized he was dealing with an amateur. He rejected it out of hand. He said Kelley then asked for a counter proposal. But Victor wasn't biting.
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