Liberalism Is A Disease

[Walter Sobchak]

You have gone your whole life not knowing why George Orwell wrote what he wrote and that he was one of the most well known Socialists in history.


How did you get it so backwards.  Tell me?  I really want to know.  

George Orwell, whose real name was Eric Arthur Blair (June 25, 1903 - January 21, 1950), was a leading and open-minded English writer, essayist and journalist who became critical of his ideological allies on the left. He hated imperialism[1] and grew increasingly conservative........Beca use of his liberal past, Orwell's increasingly conservative writings were accepted and praised by the clueless liberal intelligentsia.


Focus on the last part you fucking idiot. You are exactly the clueless liberals Orwell despised.

I'm 100% certain you don't know the difference between socialism and communism.

You really are as vapid as booty.

[The True Adonis]

If you or anyone can prove or find one article or work where George Orwell rejected Socialism or where he stopped being a Socialist.

I will DELETE my account and never come back here on getbig again.

[Walter Sobchak]

Are you fucking kidding me?  You are posting from "Conservapedia"?  The same site that lists evolution as false.

GEORGE ORWELL NEVER GREW CONSERVATIVE HIS ENTIRE LIFE.  You won't find one shred of evidence on it.  Moron.  He was always a Socialist.

You're quoting from Wikipedia like it is a factual source.

Idiot.

Next you will try to pass off Orwell as progressive-liberal.

You really are fucking clueless. I mean your Rachel Maddow type stupid.

[tom joad]

He damn sure did.

funny to hear a hardcore Republican audience booing the party's golden boy for his repetitive canned spiel attacking Obama.

[The True Adonis]

George Orwell, whose real name was Eric Arthur Blair (June 25, 1903 - January 21, 1950), was a leading and open-minded English writer, essayist and journalist who became critical of his ideological allies on the left. He hated imperialism[1] and grew increasingly conservative........Beca use of his liberal past, Orwell's increasingly conservative writings were accepted and praised by the clueless liberal intelligentsia.


Focus on the last part you fucking idiot. You are exactly the clueless liberals Orwell despised.

I'm 100% certain you don't know the difference between socialism and communism.

You really are as vapid as booty.

That "last part" is a blatant lie from "Conservapedia" which is a fake site with no sources.

Again, I will delete my account if Orwell ever rejected or left Socialism.  He was a Socialist leader until his death.  1984 was written precisely in favor of Socialism you moron.

Read a book once in a while.

How stupid are you, really?

[The True Adonis]

http://www.biographyonline.net/socialism-george-orwell/

The socialism of George Orwell

A look at the Socialist beliefs of George Orwell. Also, a look at his writings on Soviet Communism.
 

George-Orwell George Orwell was a fascinating figure and brilliant writer. He was an idealist, who is best known for his work in warning of the dangers of totalitarianism (whatever its political form) This can be seen in the two classics 1984, and Animal Farm. Orwell was also a committed Socialist who sought to promote a more egalitarian and fairer society.

    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."-George Orwell, “Why I write” p. 394

[obsidian]

That "last part" is a blatant lie from "Conservapedia" which is a fake site with no sources.

Again, I will delete my account if Orwell ever rejected or left Socialism.  He was a Socialist leader until his death.  1984 was written precisely in favor of Socialism you moron.

Read a book once in a while.

How stupid are you, really?

Animal Farm as a critique of Communism and Socialism. After reading Animal Farm my overall impression of Socialism was that it is a failure and can be used to control people. So I would say he rejected Socialism in this work. If he did not reject Socialism the book would have had a different outcome.

The oppressed became the oppressor.

You're a fucking moron Tru Anus.

[The True Adonis]

Animal Farm as a critique of Communism and Socialism. After reading Animal Farm my overall impression of Socialism was that it is a failure and can be used to control people. So I would say he rejected Socialism in this work. If he did not reject Socialism the book would have had a different outcome.

The oppressed became the oppressor.

You're a fucking moron Tru Anus.

You are DEAD WRONG.  George Orwell was a LIFELONG SOCIALIST and wrote his books to fully support Socialism, you moron.  Its amazing how you distort it all.  You are doing the VERY thing he warned against.


http://www.jstor.org/stable/20719892?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

[The True Adonis]

[Walter Sobchak]

That "last part" is a blatant lie from "Conservapedia" which is a fake site with no sources.

Again, I will delete my account if Orwell ever rejected or left Socialism.  He was a Socialist leader until his death.  1984 was written precisely in favor of Socialism you moron.

Read a book once in a while.

How stupid are you, really?

Never for a moment was Orwell a liberal in either the classical or contemporary sense of the word. Until 1934, he called himself a “Tory anarchist,” a self-designation he later replaced with “democratic socialist.” Orwell’s professed socialism is something from which his conservative admirers typically shy away, like Mencken’s social Darwinism.

You're equating socialism to classical or modern liberalism and they are not the same. You really are a fucking idiot. So now you head down the red herring path or Orwell not being a socialist. He was, but that does not make him a classic liberal you fucking retard.

Delete your fucking account on the basis of your stupidity. You're beyond Wiggs type stupid.

[Walter Sobchak]

Animal Farm as a critique of Communism and Socialism. After reading Animal Farm my overall impression of Socialism was that it is a failure and can be used to control people. So I would say he rejected Socialism in this work. If he did not reject Socialism the book would have had a different outcome.

The oppressed became the oppressor.

You're a fucking moron Tru Anus.

Exactly.....and socialism is not liberalism. Only a fucking idiot would mistake the two.

True Anus is another liberal pseudo-intellectual who read 1984 and animal farm back in high school and hasn't understood the message since then.

Fucking Nancy Pelosi level of stupid

[The True Adonis]

Never for a moment was Orwell a liberal in either the classical or contemporary sense of the word. Until 1934, he called himself a “Tory anarchist,” a self-designation he later replaced with “democratic socialist.” Orwell’s professed socialism is something from which his conservative admirers typically shy away, like Mencken’s social Darwinism.

You're equating socialism to classical or modern liberalism and they are not the same. You really are a fucking idiot. So now you head down the red herring path or Orwell not being a socialist. He was, but that does not make him a classic liberal you fucking retard.

Delete your fucking account on the basis of your stupidity. You're beyond Wiggs type stupid.

Again, why did you post bullshit about Orwell not being a Socialist and turning away from it when he NEVER did.  Now you are trying to change your stance a bit again and are admitting that he was and always had been a Socialist but are doing so in a way that makes your pretzel brain at ease?  

It must have been a shock to you to learn the truth about Orwell today when you went your entire life until now, believing a lie.

Now take some time to read Orwell's words that he wrote himself, moron.

http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw

George Orwell
Why I Write

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

[obsidian]

You are DEAD WRONG.  George Orwell was a LIFELONG SOCIALIST and wrote his books to fully support Socialism, you moron.  Its amazing how you distort it all.  You are doing the VERY thing he warned against.


http://www.jstor.org/stable/20719892?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

"In many respects, Orwell was deeply conservative. He loved England (as distinct from Britain) and English traditions, English food and beer, the English language, and England’s love of liberty. He was patriotic and did not like left-wing pacifism. He was deeply suspicious of an all-powerful state—even a socialist one—that destroyed liberty in the name of liberty. He would have rigorously opposed today’s state-health fascism.

And unlike nearly everyone else on the left, he was refreshingly honest about fascism’s mass appeal."

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[Walter Sobchak]

You are DEAD WRONG.  George Orwell was a LIFELONG SOCIALIST and wrote his books to fully support Socialism, you moron.  Its amazing how you distort it all.  You are doing the VERY thing he warned against.


http://www.jstor.org/stable/20719892?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Socialism - says that only by granting the state total economic and political power can economic progress and equality among citizens be attained.

Classical liberalism - says that the state should only take over an institution to ensure that citizens can freely benefit from that particular institution’s services. Classical liberalism does not require the thorough enforcing of law and order to reach economic progress and equality.

Modern liberalism - says that the state should interfere not only in economic or political affairs, but also in social affairs, such as day-to-day activities of its citizens. In effect, modern liberalism ceases to be associated with classical liberalism, and instead becomes similar to socialism.


True Anus, you're a fucking idiot. You don't even realize the difference between the ideologies.....

[The True Adonis]

Exactly.....and socialism is not liberalism. Only a fucking idiot would mistake the two.

True Anus is another liberal pseudo-intellectual who read 1984 and animal farm back in high school and hasn't understood the message since then.

Fucking Nancy Pelosi level of stupid

Here dumbass.  Hope this helps.  (it won't because you are not bright at all and went your entire life thus far, until today, believing lies about George Orwell   )

You will now probably burn all of Orwell's books after finding out his life work was dedicated to SOCIALISM!

http://understandinganimalfarm.weebly.com/socialism.html

Socialism
http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialismSocialism is quite similar to communism, but less controlling and more effective. Socialism was all about equality, it was based on that the society should work together in cooperation to provide resources and such to support the community as a whole, everyone has to contribute to earn something. There is a sort of private ownership in this ideology, unlike communism, but limited to basic necessities like a home, food, water, but everything is shared amongst the community (Encyclopedia Britannica, 2013).
How does socialism link to animal farm?
1. Everyone in the community is equal.

2. The community works together cooperatively to produce the things necessary for it to run, the products are shared equally amongst the community members, everyone has to contribute.
   
a) All animals are equal (the last commandment).

b) The animals all worked in the farm, the products they produced were all shared amongst the animals and they received an equal ration of food.
Socialism is seen more at the front of the story in Animal Farm, it appeared when the revolution took place but it was slowly cast aside and the farm was eventually run with fascism. The most important commandment, all animals are equal, that was set down by the animals is an obvious sign of socialism in the farm. After that we can tell from the way the farm is run, it is also based on socialism, the animals were happy and were proud, they still worked hard but they got what they worked for. It was not until Napoleon started to abuse his power that the animals became overworked and unhappy.
GEORGE ORWELL'S EFFECT
 Orwell chose this to represent his support for socialism because we can feel in the book that the animals were happy at first when the farm was still a socialist place. But when the farm started to become more and more fascist, we can see the animals lives slowly degrading and their spirit slowly fading away. He used the events in the book to show that socialism is a good ideology and that everyone can benefit from it, even though we cannot have everything to ourselves, working together and getting the same distribution of resources is a perk and can make everyones lives happy and better.

[The True Adonis]

"In many respects, Orwell was deeply conservative. He loved England (as distinct from Britain) and English traditions, English food and beer, the English language, and England’s love of liberty. He was patriotic and did not like left-wing pacifism. He was deeply suspicious of an all-powerful state—even a socialist one—that destroyed liberty in the name of liberty. He would have rigorously opposed today’s state-health fascism.

And unlike nearly everyone else on the left, he was refreshingly honest about fascism’s mass appeal."

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hahha from your article-

The BBC has just rejected a proposal to erect a statue in honor of George Orwell outside its new London headquarters.

The reason? As the nation’s public broadcaster, the BBC is supposed to be unbiased and objective, so to erect such a statue would be regarded as “far too left-wing.”

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[Walter Sobchak]

Again, why did you post bullshit about Orwell not being a Socialist and turning away from it when he NEVER did.  Now you are trying to change your stance a bit again and are admitting that he was and always had been a Socialist but are doing so in a way that makes your pretzel brain at ease?  

It must have been a shock to you to learn the truth about Orwell today when you went your entire life until now, believing a lie.

Now take some time to read Orwell's words that he wrote himself, moron.

http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw

George Orwell
Why I Write

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

Let me slow this down for you GED....

You said Orwell was a classic liberal. He was not. No one is saying Orwell wasn't a socialist at a time during his life, but he was NOT a classic liberal.

You don't even know the two things don't mean the same thing.

You are a complete fucking moron. Orwell was not a classic liberal, but you sure are a classic retard.

[The True Adonis]

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/22/bbc-george-orwell-statue-left-wing

 BBC George Orwell statue turned down as 'too left-wing'




Joan Bakewell reports director general Mark Thompson turned down proposal 'flat'
George Orwell
Too left-wing? George Orwell. Photograph: Courtesy of Vernon Richards Estate

Alison Flood

Wednesday 22 August 2012 11.08 EDT
Last modified on Monday 25 January 2016 17.12 EST


George Orwell tendered his resignation from the BBC "because for some time past I have been conscious that I was wasting my time and the public money on doing work that produces no results", so perhaps it's not surprising that the proposal to place a statue of the author on the broadcaster's premises has been rejected.

According to the Labour peer Joan Bakewell, the BBC's director general Mark Thompson turned down the scheme to erect the statue at the BBC's new Broadcasting House "flat", because "apparently George Orwell would be perceived as too left-wing a figure for the BBC to honour". The statue was proposed by the George Orwell Memorial Trust, run by former Labour politician Ben Whitaker, and backed by names including Rowan Atkinson, Melvyn Bragg, John Humphrys, James Naughtie and Orwell's son Richard Blair. More than £60,000 has been raised to have Martin Jennings, the sculptor of the bronze of John Betjeman at St Pancras and of Philip Larkin in Hull, create it.
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"The point was not particularly to refer to Orwell's own history as a journalist for the BBC which he was for a couple of years during the second world war – he resigned as he found it rather tedious and bureaucratic. But he was such a paragon of political journalism, an example of how it should be done," said Jennings. "I realised London was lacking a statue of this great man, and wanted to find a location with resonance ... It was all going smoothly and then there was a sudden hiatus, at which point it was decided that the statue should be close to but not literally on the BBC premises."

The trust is currently waiting for Westminster city council to give planning permission to erect the statue in Portland Place, nearby but not on the BBC's premises. A BBC spokesperson said: "We cannot put the statue immediately outside New Broadcasting House as the BBC piazza already has artwork by Mark Pimlott built into the pavement which would be obscured. We are however working with Westminster city council and those involved with the statue to find an appropriate location nearby."

"It would have been nice to have on the premises, but having it close by would be a very good second. Orwell was always rather detached from any institutions, anyway," said Jennings, who described the author and journalist as "a gift as a subject – those 1940s trousers reaching halfway up his chest, the tie tucked into his waistband, and probably a cigarette butt somewhere".

Orwell worked for the BBC between 1941 and 1943 as a talks producer for the Eastern service, writing what the BBC describes as "essentially propaganda for broadcast to India". He is said to have based the infamous Room 101 from his novel 1984 on a BBC conference room.

[obsidian]

LOL, fucking idiot. You have no clue! You've obviously never even read Animal Farm. Just because you work on one....milking bulls and shovelling shit onto your radioactive crop of turnips, does not give you the right to lie about having the ability to read.

Hi TamponFreedom,

Isn't it about time for you to replenish your supply of Freedom Tampons about now? Run along, the men are talking right now. We'll call you when we want our sandwiches and beer. And please remember, we want you barefoot back in the kitchen washing the dishes afterwards.

Thank you!

[The True Adonis]

Let me slow this down for you GED....

You said Orwell was a classic liberal. He was not. No one is saying Orwell wasn't a socialist at a time during his life, but he was NOT a classic liberal.

You don't even know the two things don't mean the same thing.

You are a complete fucking moron. Orwell was not a classic liberal, but you sure are a classic retard.

You are just butthurt that you only found out today that Orwell was a lifelong Socialist, dedicated to promoting Socialism, and considered the cause of Socialism his lifes work and that everything he ever wrote of substance was to support Socialism.


That must sting to someone who would rather believe lies. HA HA HA HA


I think we all see who the real moron is.

[obsidian]

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/22/bbc-george-orwell-statue-left-wing

 BBC George Orwell statue turned down as 'too left-wing'




Joan Bakewell reports director general Mark Thompson turned down proposal 'flat'
George Orwell
Too left-wing? George Orwell. Photograph: Courtesy of Vernon Richards Estate

Alison Flood

Wednesday 22 August 2012 11.08 EDT
Last modified on Monday 25 January 2016 17.12 EST


George Orwell tendered his resignation from the BBC "because for some time past I have been conscious that I was wasting my time and the public money on doing work that produces no results", so perhaps it's not surprising that the proposal to place a statue of the author on the broadcaster's premises has been rejected.

According to the Labour peer Joan Bakewell, the BBC's director general Mark Thompson turned down the scheme to erect the statue at the BBC's new Broadcasting House "flat", because "apparently George Orwell would be perceived as too left-wing a figure for the BBC to honour". The statue was proposed by the George Orwell Memorial Trust, run by former Labour politician Ben Whitaker, and backed by names including Rowan Atkinson, Melvyn Bragg, John Humphrys, James Naughtie and Orwell's son Richard Blair. More than £60,000 has been raised to have Martin Jennings, the sculptor of the bronze of John Betjeman at St Pancras and of Philip Larkin in Hull, create it.
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"The point was not particularly to refer to Orwell's own history as a journalist for the BBC which he was for a couple of years during the second world war – he resigned as he found it rather tedious and bureaucratic. But he was such a paragon of political journalism, an example of how it should be done," said Jennings. "I realised London was lacking a statue of this great man, and wanted to find a location with resonance ... It was all going smoothly and then there was a sudden hiatus, at which point it was decided that the statue should be close to but not literally on the BBC premises."

The trust is currently waiting for Westminster city council to give planning permission to erect the statue in Portland Place, nearby but not on the BBC's premises. A BBC spokesperson said: "We cannot put the statue immediately outside New Broadcasting House as the BBC piazza already has artwork by Mark Pimlott built into the pavement which would be obscured. We are however working with Westminster city council and those involved with the statue to find an appropriate location nearby."

"It would have been nice to have on the premises, but having it close by would be a very good second. Orwell was always rather detached from any institutions, anyway," said Jennings, who described the author and journalist as "a gift as a subject – those 1940s trousers reaching halfway up his chest, the tie tucked into his waistband, and probably a cigarette butt somewhere".

Orwell worked for the BBC between 1941 and 1943 as a talks producer for the Eastern service, writing what the BBC describes as "essentially propaganda for broadcast to India". He is said to have based the infamous Room 101 from his novel 1984 on a BBC conference room.

LMAO!! And just because the BBC labels him "too left wing" makes it so hmm??? Those are not Orwell's words. LOL you idiot!!!

Seems that 'anti-totalitarian' counts as 'too left wing' these days...

[Walter Sobchak]

Here dumbass.  Hope this helps.  (it won't because you are not bright at all and went your entire life thus far, until today, believing lies about George Orwell   )

You will now probably burn all of Orwell's books after finding out his life work was dedicated to SOCIALISM!

http://understandinganimalfarm.weebly.com/socialism.html

Socialism
http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialismSocialism is quite similar to communism, but less controlling and more effective. Socialism was all about equality, it was based on that the society should work together in cooperation to provide resources and such to support the community as a whole, everyone has to contribute to earn something. There is a sort of private ownership in this ideology, unlike communism, but limited to basic necessities like a home, food, water, but everything is shared amongst the community (Encyclopedia Britannica, 2013).
How does socialism link to animal farm?
1. Everyone in the community is equal.

2. The community works together cooperatively to produce the things necessary for it to run, the products are shared equally amongst the community members, everyone has to contribute.
   
a) All animals are equal (the last commandment).

b) The animals all worked in the farm, the products they produced were all shared amongst the animals and they received an equal ration of food.
Socialism is seen more at the front of the story in Animal Farm, it appeared when the revolution took place but it was slowly cast aside and the farm was eventually run with fascism. The most important commandment, all animals are equal, that was set down by the animals is an obvious sign of socialism in the farm. After that we can tell from the way the farm is run, it is also based on socialism, the animals were happy and were proud, they still worked hard but they got what they worked for. It was not until Napoleon started to abuse his power that the animals became overworked and unhappy.
GEORGE ORWELL'S EFFECT
 Orwell chose this to represent his support for socialism because we can feel in the book that the animals were happy at first when the farm was still a socialist place. But when the farm started to become more and more fascist, we can see the animals lives slowly degrading and their spirit slowly fading away. He used the events in the book to show that socialism is a good ideology and that everyone can benefit from it, even though we cannot have everything to ourselves, working together and getting the same distribution of resources is a perk and can make everyones lives happy and better.

Jesus Christ.....you really are brain dead.

Don't you teach for a living? For fucks sake, you really have no intelligence at all and you use snippets of Wikipedia to try to appear educated. You cannot comprehend the difference in the ideologies, or purposely choose to obfuscate the discussion because you come off as an uneducated idiot.

I see now why people say liberalism is a sicknes, if people as stupid as you are its supporters.

George Orwell was never a classic liberal.

You on the other hand are 100% a classic idiot.

[The True Adonis]

[Walter Sobchak]

You are just butthurt that you only found out today that Orwell was a lifelong Socialist, dedicated to promoting Socialism, and considered the cause of Socialism his lifes work and that everything he ever wrote of substance was to support Socialism.


That must sting to someone who would rather believe lies. HA HA HA HA


I think we all see who the real moron is.

You said Orwell was a classic liberal

Now you say he was a lifelong socialist

So which is it - because they are not the same thing.

Moron.

And who gives a fuck what the BBC thinks and their political stance? Do you really think a bunch of BBC editors are the final mediators of all things political?

Jesus fuck, you don't have enough brain to get a headache.

[The True Adonis]

Wait until these morons figure out that the Pledge of Allegiance, the "conservatives" favorite creed, was written by Francis Bellamy, a dyed in the wool Socialist.

hahahhahah morons.