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I'm on the fence on this one. Definitely think parents should have some accountability for the acts of their minor children. But putting them away for 10 to 15 years when they had no involvement in the planning of the murder committed by their kid?
Judge Sentences Parents Of Michigan School Shooter To 10-15 Years In Prison
KATE ANDERSON
CONTRIBUTOR
April 09, 2024
James and Jennifer Crumbley made history Tuesday as the first parents to be convicted and sentenced concerning their child’s school shooting that resulted in the death of four students at Oxford High School in Michigan in 2021, according to NBC News.
The Crumbleys were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in March after the prosecution argued the parents showed a “significant lack of remorse” and James Crumbley threatened the rosecuting attorney Karen McDonald, according to CNN. Judge Cheryl Matthews ordered that both James and Jennifer Crumbley be sentenced to 10 to 15 years after the prosecution requested the maximum 15-year sentences for both defendants, according to NBC News.
Ethan Crumbley was 15 when he shot and killed four students and injured seven others in November 2021 and later he was charged with four counts of first-degree murder, one count of terrorism causing death, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of felony firearm. The prosecution in James and Jennifer’s cases argued that both parents had been willfully negligent regarding their son and that James Crumbley buying the murder weapon made him complicit.
During their sentencing, James and Jennifer Crumbley apologized to the families of their son’s victims, according to CNN.
“I sit here today to express my deepest sorrows for the families of Hana, Tate, Madisyn, Justin and to all those affected on November 30, 2021,” Jennifer Crumbley said.
“I want to say I can’t imagine the pain and agony … for the families that have lost their children and what they are experiencing and what they are going through,” James Crumbley said in his statement. “As a parent, our biggest fear is losing our child or our children, and to lose a child is unimaginable. My heart is really broken for everybody involved.”
Matthews announced Tuesday that the parents and their son would not be held in the same facility together, according to NBC News. Jennifer Crumbley will go to the state’s female prison and Ethan Crumbley is in a state prison near Oxford, Michigan.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/09/parents-sentenced-childs-school-michigan/?pnespid=urRoBihCPvsT3vaYrSW6CpCVvg_rUYInI.HhxOBk8x1mH_0RzXqBlVJrIPyOe.bxOhX.ApSq3Q
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I'm on the fence on this one. Definitely think parents should have some accountability for the acts of their minor children. But putting them away for 10 to 15 years when they had no involvement in the planning of the murder committed by their kid?
Judge Sentences Parents Of Michigan School Shooter To 10-15 Years In Prison
KATE ANDERSON
CONTRIBUTOR
April 09, 2024
James and Jennifer Crumbley made history Tuesday as the first parents to be convicted and sentenced concerning their child’s school shooting that resulted in the death of four students at Oxford High School in Michigan in 2021, according to NBC News.
The Crumbleys were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in March after the prosecution argued the parents showed a “significant lack of remorse” and James Crumbley threatened the rosecuting attorney Karen McDonald, according to CNN. Judge Cheryl Matthews ordered that both James and Jennifer Crumbley be sentenced to 10 to 15 years after the prosecution requested the maximum 15-year sentences for both defendants, according to NBC News.
Ethan Crumbley was 15 when he shot and killed four students and injured seven others in November 2021 and later he was charged with four counts of first-degree murder, one count of terrorism causing death, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of felony firearm. The prosecution in James and Jennifer’s cases argued that both parents had been willfully negligent regarding their son and that James Crumbley buying the murder weapon made him complicit.
During their sentencing, James and Jennifer Crumbley apologized to the families of their son’s victims, according to CNN.
“I sit here today to express my deepest sorrows for the families of Hana, Tate, Madisyn, Justin and to all those affected on November 30, 2021,” Jennifer Crumbley said.
“I want to say I can’t imagine the pain and agony … for the families that have lost their children and what they are experiencing and what they are going through,” James Crumbley said in his statement. “As a parent, our biggest fear is losing our child or our children, and to lose a child is unimaginable. My heart is really broken for everybody involved.”
Matthews announced Tuesday that the parents and their son would not be held in the same facility together, according to NBC News. Jennifer Crumbley will go to the state’s female prison and Ethan Crumbley is in a state prison near Oxford, Michigan.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/09/parents-sentenced-childs-school-michigan/?pnespid=urRoBihCPvsT3vaYrSW6CpCVvg_rUYInI.HhxOBk8x1mH_0RzXqBlVJrIPyOe.bxOhX.ApSq3Q
Judge Cheryl Mathews' statement to the James and Jennifer Crumbly says it all, "Mr. Crumbley, it's clear to this court that because of you, there was unfettered access to a gun or guns, as well as ammunition, in your home."
Message to parents who have guns, keep guns secured. This is a horrific tragedy where there are no winners, only losers.
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Judge Cheryl Mathews' statement to the James and Jennifer Crumbly says it all, "Mr. Crumbley, it's clear to this court that because of you, there was unfettered access to a gun or guns, as well as ammunition, in your home."
Message to parents who have guns, keep guns secured. This is a horrific tragedy where there are no winners, only losers.
Unfettered access to lawfully obtained firearms, absent the parents encouraging the kid to use them to murder people, does not sound like something that should result in a 10 to 15 year prison sentence.
There has to be some accountability if the parents were reckless or irresponsible. I'm just not sure where society should draw the line.
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Unfettered access to lawfully obtained firearms, absent the parents encouraging the kid to use them to murder people, does not sound like something that should result in a 10 to 15 year prison sentence.
There has to be some accountability if the parents were reckless or irresponsible. I'm just not sure where society should draw the line.
Because of the uptick in horrific mass school shootings which has put the problem at the forefront of people's minds, I suspect the Judge is making an example of these parents. I cannot know this for sure because I have not closely followed the case or the trial. It also did not help the Crumbleys’ defense that they are seemingly unsympathetic or remorseful. If their sentence is unreasonably excessive, they should be able to appeal it.
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Unfettered access to lawfully obtained firearms, absent the parents encouraging the kid to use them to murder people, does not sound like something that should result in a 10 to 15 year prison sentence.
There has to be some accountability if the parents were reckless or irresponsible. I'm just not sure where society should draw the line.
This. The kid is going away obviously, not sure how long. But to send his parents away for 10-15 seems quite extreme. If they intentionally provided the gun and ammo, helped some sort of planning or were involved in any way with the shooting, I might understand.
Does anyone know how he got the gun and ammo? Did his parents let him keep it in his room? Was it stored away somewhere and he snuck it? I feel like we need some more details before I can be on board with 10-15.
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This. The kid is going away obviously, not sure how long. But to send his parents away for 10-15 seems quite extreme. If they intentionally provided the gun and ammo, helped some sort of planning or were involved in any way with the shooting, I might understand.
Does anyone know how he got the gun and ammo? Did his parents let him keep it in his room? Was it stored away somewhere and he snuck it? I feel like we need some more details before I can be on board with 10-15.
Who knows besides the parents and their son what access he had to the gun. I read somewhere that his father bought it as a birthday gift, which is not necessarily wrong if the intention was it be under the under his father’s supervision. The other thing I read is that the boy showed mental health problems, which if this is true, the gift of gun is not a viable choice. That is the problem with speculative criticism, we do it without full knowledge of the circumstances. Maybe you had to be there in court during the trial, rather than drawing conclusions using information filtered through the media.
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Who knows besides the parents and their son what access he had to the gun. I read somewhere that his father bought it as a birthday gift, which is not necessarily wrong if the intention was it be under the under his father’s supervision. The other thing I read is that the boy showed mental health problems, which if this is true, the gift of gun is not a viable choice. That is the problem with speculative criticism, we do it without full knowledge of the circumstances. Maybe you had to be there in court during the trial, rather than drawing conclusions using information filtered through the media.
I would have to know more details. Details the judge likely has. It's been my experience parents are THE WORST at recognizing obvious behaviors that are detrimental from their children. I've had parents arguing their child would not do ____ yet the evidence was overwhelming. In our past we've seen cases where in my opinion, parents were grossly negligent in ignoring the obvious warning signs their child was about to do grievous harm. I'm all for setting an example that parents have a responsibility to take action when their child exhibits behavior that a reasonable person would believe would or very possibly could lead to harm of others.. But for THIS specific case, I have very little information so I can't say yay or nay. But I would certainly support any reprecussions for parents obviously ignoring blatant clues.
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Start at the :48 mark and go all the way to the end of the story
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Start at the :48 mark and go all the way to the end of the story
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Do you have anything from a news source? This says Newsmax.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902
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Do you have anything from a news source? This says Newsmax.
Newsmax, which is part of the White House Press Corps, with James Rosen as its Chief White House Correspondent. lol
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-parents.html
Pretty in depth...
Having read it, I'm still on the fence. Were the parents pretty bad parents, probably. I'd be more against the sentencing if he had accessed one of his parents guns, but it looks like Mom, knowing son what cuckoo, bought him a gun for xmas... a handgun... 17 years old, showing obvious psychotic behavior...
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Newsmax, which is part of the White House Press Corps, with James Rosen as its Chief White House Correspondent. lol
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax-bias-credibilty-reliability/
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We rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks.
.........lol
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax-bias-credibilty-reliability/
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
We rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks.
.........lol
Media Bias Fact Check says this about CNN:
"Overall, we rate CNN moderately left-center biased based on editorial positions by TV hosts that consistently favor the left, while straight news reporting falls just left of center through bias by omission. We also rate them as Mostly Factual in reporting rather than high due to two failed fact checks in the last five years."
This is comical. ;D
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Do you have anything from a news source? This says Newsmax.
You seriously posted a link from NYMag of all places. This is why I call bullshit on you being any kind of a "detective" because if you would have watched it you would have known that the media lied their asses off saying that the parents refused to take home from the school.
As per the Detroit Free Press, the counselor said "I did not say state that they refused" said counselor Shawn Hopkins in a September deposition in which he explained how and why he made the decision to keep Ethan Crumbly in school that day.
Dean of Students Nicholas Jack also disclosed that while officials recommended that the Crumblys get their son into therapy, they agreed that it didn't have to be done right away. "There would have been no reason for him to go home" Ejak testified...It was just as important that he talked with somebody...get started on some outside counseling"
Just admit that you were either a dirty cop with an agenda or you're just flat out full of shit.
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Media Bias Fact Check says this about CNN:
"Overall, we rate CNN moderately left-center biased based on editorial positions by TV hosts that consistently favor the left, while straight news reporting falls just left of center through bias by omission. We also rate them as Mostly Factual in reporting rather than high due to two failed fact checks in the last five years."
This is comical. ;D
Agnostic is COMPLETLY full of shit. Even more than Lurker and Prime
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Agnostic is COMPLETLY full of shit. Even more than Lurker and Prime
Oh I know. It's just incredible how many of these people are unable to think for themselves or expose themselves to anything that disagrees with their world view.
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Media Bias Fact Check says this about CNN:
"Overall, we rate CNN moderately left-center biased based on editorial positions by TV hosts that consistently favor the left, while straight news reporting falls just left of center through bias by omission. We also rate them as Mostly Factual in reporting rather than high due to two failed fact checks in the last five years."
This is comical. ;D
LOL....oops, guess that backfired.
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You seriously posted a link from NYMag of all places. This is why I call bullshit on you being any kind of a "detective" because if you would have watched it you would have known that the media lied their asses off saying that the parents refused to take home from the school.
As per the Detroit Free Press, the counselor said "I did not say state that they refused" said counselor Shawn Hopkins in a September deposition in which he explained how and why he made the decision to keep Ethan Crumbly in school that day.
Dean of Students Nicholas Jack also disclosed that while officials recommended that the Crumblys get their son into therapy, they agreed that it didn't have to be done right away. "There would have been no reason for him to go home" Ejak testified...It was just as important that he talked with somebody...get started on some outside counseling"
Just admit that you were either a dirty cop with an agenda or you're just flat out full of shit.
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Oh I know. It's just incredible how many of these people are unable to think for themselves or expose themselves to anything that disagrees with their world view.
The irony while reading your post is palpable.
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LOL....oops, guess that backfired.
No, white noise, I agree with that assessment on CNN. I also agree with the assessment on Newsmax
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No, white noise, I agree with that assessment on CNN. I also agree with the assessment on Newsmax
Of course you do, because you're fucking retarded.
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The irony while reading your post is palpable.
You have a remarkable ability to type words that have no meaning.
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Of course you do, because you're fucking retarded.
We probably shouldn't be posting in the same thread because I believe this is the same person who accused us of being the same person. lol
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Judge Cheryl Mathews' statement to the James and Jennifer Crumbly says it all, "Mr. Crumbley, it's clear to this court that because of you, there was unfettered access to a gun or guns, as well as ammunition, in your home."
Message to parents who have guns, keep guns secured. This is a horrific tragedy where there are no winners, only losers.
Go fukk yourself caulk-gobbler...
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Guilt by association is the far left's wet dream as a prcedent.
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Judge Cheryl Mathews' statement to the James and Jennifer Crumbly says it all, "Mr. Crumbley, it's clear to this court that because of you, there was unfettered access to a gun or guns, as well as ammunition, in your home."
Message to parents who have guns, keep guns secured. This is a horrific tragedy where there are no winners, only losers.
That's the Giffords, Everytown, Shannon Watts, David Hogg anti-2A stance and verbiage. The murderers parents are being made examples of to push an anti-2A agenda. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Short of the parents, buying the guns, teaching, planning, and rehearsing with the child to commit murder, I don't see any justification for them to spend 10-15 years in prison.
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Newsmax, which is part of the White House Press Corps, with James Rosen as its Chief White House Correspondent. lol
Yes it is. Do they have one of the 49 assigned seats?
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Yes it is. Do they have one of the 49 assigned seats?
I assume so. They have a news network. A comprehensive website. Actual journalists. Getting James Rosen was a coup. I put him in the same class as Catherine Herridge. Dying breed.
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I assume so. They have a news network. A comprehensive website. Actual journalists. Getting James Rosen was a coup. I put him in the same class as Catherine Herridge. Dying breed.
NBC News, FOX News radio, CBS News, AP, abc NEWS, REUTERS, and CNN have front row seats. Newsmax is in the sixth row. There are a total of seven rows. But, it does have an assigned seat.
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NBC News, FOX News radio, CBS News, AP, abc NEWS, REUTERS, and CNN have front row seats. Newsmax is in the sixth row. There are a total of seven rows. But, it does have an assigned seat.
Good. They would not have any of the 49 seats if they were not a legitimate news organization. But of course none of this has anything to with the merits of this story.
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Good. They would not have any of the 49 seats if they were not a legitimate news organization. But of course none of this has anything to with the merits of this story.
Spoil-sport.
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We probably shouldn't be posting in the same thread because I believe this is the same person who accused us of being the same person. lol
You're definitely the good side because I can't help but call these dipshits dipshits when they're spouting of the dumbest shit I read on the internet,
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You're definitely the good side because I can't help but call these dipshits dipshits when they're spouting of the dumbest shit I read on the internet,
It is definitely challenging for me, because there are things I want to say, but I try and be a gentleman when I can. :)
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Of course you do, because you're fucking retarded.
You misspelled "Fact based". An unbiased source stated the obvious and still you can't accept it.
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Short of the parents, buying the guns, teaching, planning, and rehearsing with the child to commit murder, I don't see any justification for them to spend 10-15 years in prison.
Well, besides that, it was shown Mom could give a rats ass about her sons delusions, isolation, seeing things not there... and yet bought him a handgun for Christmas at 17... and ignored his obvious cries for help so she could have affairs and spend time with horses. Her unacceptable actions and non actions cost lives... so 15 years seems about right
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You misspelled "Fact based". An unbiased source stated the obvious and still you can't accept it.
Unbiased because you agree with it doesn't make it fact. ::)
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Unbiased because you agree with it doesn't make it fact. ::)
Because your bias doesn't agree with it doesn't make it untrue. I looked for sites that have a reputation for being even. There are a couple. They have no skin in the game. They don't report news. Their results stack up to other sites that are known to be unbiased. So what you are left with is, YOU cannot accept any source that doesn't agree with your right wing mentality regardless of their reputation and history. Who is unreasonable in this scenario?
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Well, besides that, it was shown Mom could give a rats ass about her sons delusions, isolation, seeing things not there... and yet bought him a handgun for Christmas at 17... and ignored his obvious cries for help so she could have affairs and spend time with horses. Her unacceptable actions and non actions cost lives... so 15 years seems about right
I agree with your take. I'll correct the record in that Ethan was 15 when they bought the gun for him.
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I agree with your take. I'll correct the record in that Ethan was 15 when they bought the gun for him.
Way worse....
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"A day after Thanksgiving, prosecutors said, James Crumbley bought their son the handgun, while Jennifer Crumbley took him to a gun range that weekend.
On Tuesday, a teacher said she had found a note on Ethan's desk with a drawing of a gun and a person who had been shot, along with messages including: "The thoughts won't stop. Help me."
That discovery prompted the school to summon the parents for a meeting, but school officials testified that they declined to bring him home because they had to go back to work.
The officials also said that if the parents had informed them that their son had access to a gun, they would have been more authoritative to ensure immediate safety."
Ok, I'm good with the sentence..
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"A day after Thanksgiving, prosecutors said, James Crumbley bought their son the handgun, while Jennifer Crumbley took him to a gun range that weekend.
On Tuesday, a teacher said she had found a note on Ethan's desk with a drawing of a gun and a person who had been shot, along with messages including: "The thoughts won't stop. Help me."
That discovery prompted the school to summon the parents for a meeting, but school officials testified that they declined to bring him home because they had to go back to work.
The officials also said that if the parents had informed them that their son had access to a gun, they would have been more authoritative to ensure immediate safety."
Ok, I'm good with the sentence..
Yeah… I’ll go with the one I posted. Thanks for playing
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Well, besides that, it was shown Mom could give a rats ass about her sons delusions, isolation, seeing things not there... and yet bought him a handgun for Christmas at 17... and ignored his obvious cries for help so she could have affairs and spend time with horses. Her unacceptable actions and non actions cost lives... so 15 years seems about right
Worse... when Ethan shot and killed those classmates in 2021, he was 15 and not 17 when he was sentenced to life in prison in 2023. So, he was 15 years old or younger when his parents gifted him the gun he later used to murder 4 students. For his efforts, he is the first juvenile sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole following a 2012 US Supreme Court ruling which found sentencing a child to life without parole is excessive for all but the rare offender. He definitely qualifies as being among the 'most rare.'
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Who is unreasonable in this scenario?
You. You wholeheartedly believe what the leftist media tells you and don't question a thing. As an investigator you should know better. But with your record on the force, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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Yeah… I’ll go with the one I posted. Thanks for playing
The lack of care I have on whatever you posted might surprise you. Adults are talking here son...
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Worse... when Ethan shot and killed those classmates in 2021, he was 15 and not 17 when he was sentenced to life in prison in 2023. So, he was 15 years old or younger when his parents gifted him the gun he later used to murder 4 students. For his efforts, he is the first juvenile sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole following a 2012 US Supreme Court ruling which found sentencing a child to life without parole is excessive for all but the rare offender. He definitely qualifies as being among the 'most rare.'
I'm good with the sentence after reviewing available info. Gun rights advocates should be more responsible. Anyone thinking this was a bad thing are idiots. Except coach. he's too dimwitted to understand all the variables... he's simply a moron, not his fault, he is operating at the highest level he can, it just fall short of special Olympics level thinking.
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I'm good with the sentence after reviewing available info. Gun rights advocates should be more responsible. Anyone thinking this was a bad thing are idiots. Except coach. he's too dimwitted to understand all the variables... he's simply a moron, not his fault, he is operating at the highest level he can, it just fall short of special Olympics level thinking.
An anti-2A fake cop against gun rights. Are you Getbig’s David Hogg?
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An anti-2A fake cop against gun rights. Are you Getbig’s David Hogg?
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Coach, long ago you surrendered any expectation you should have of anyone clicking on your links or watching your videos. You have in essence, become Getbig's drunk Conspiracy theorist that haphazardly posts links and videos that 99% of the time blow up in your face because you haven't watched them or read the articles you posts links to.