No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.
It's amazing how everyone that lifts is on TRT. I hear guys in their 40's on it. Really, you need test in your 40's? Anyone doing natural aging?
Van_Bilderass: actually this is only i think the 2nd time i made mention of these questions and the first time i started a actual topic thread on the matter... hypochondriac? No, i'm just cautious...As I think I should be, as everyone should be in discussing health and long term health and consequences, weighing the good and the bad.
Spike: fellow lifter and buddy at my gym, is 42, been on TRT for years now, and he's been working out hardcore for 7 years.... Gave me his doctor who prescribes him the TRT phone #.. SO the doctor at a hospital is legit. Didn't ask him how much it costs and how he gets it (i.e. injection, patch, gel, etc.)
Basically no doubt that at my age, my Test is at least lower (than what? what is was before).. and my goals are to get in the best shape (hard muscle) without ruining my health and shortening the life span.. Everything and Anything i can do that is both legal and long term NOT damaging.
wondering which way i should go at my age of 57...
natural "test boosters".... pro-hormones (those still available that is) or TRT?....
No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.
Here I am worried about TRT and i can't even imagine what actual bodybuilders take (multiple roids, gh, insulin, and so on and so on!)
Serious replies and information please!
Train hard and eat right (low carb). There's your answer. You don't need to take TRT.
Stop looking for shortcuts and cheats.
Van_Bilderass: actually this is only i think the 2nd time i made mention of these questions and the first time i started a actual topic thread on the matter... hypochondriac? No, i'm just cautious...As I think I should be, as everyone should be in discussing health and long term health and consequences, weighing the good and the bad.
How is TRT cheating?? He isn’t a professional athlete he is an aging man
Life is too short to live with low test get on trt now as when you do you will wish you had did it years ago don’t waste anymore time
If you have low test, there is nothing wrong with TRT, as low test can cause a myriad of issues, including depression.
If I get to that point, I'll likely explore it, but I'm not there yet.
Had levels checked mid year.
If I went on it now, I know I'd ego lift and get hurt.
For you older guys, is it problem that you're on trt and still jacked in your 40s while the mrs is aging at the normal pace? Sex drive also might become incompatible
Maybe a work around is slipping dbol powder in her coffee.
wondering which way i should go at my age of 57...
natural "test boosters".... pro-hormones (those still available that is) or TRT?....
No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.
Here I am worried about TRT and i can't even imagine what actual bodybuilders take (multiple roids, gh, insulin, and so on and so on!)
Serious replies and information please!
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.No one? In 1961, I was on TRT and D-Bol all under a doctor's care. You did allow for special circumstances but you can't do that and still say it was no one.
One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca. When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy. Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet. I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.
An endrocrinologist told me this. If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean. Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.
One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca. When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy. Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet. I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.
An endrocrinologist told me this. If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean. Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.
IronNat: good information, although I guess the confusing issue is what is the "normal" range anyway... i mean 300 to 1000 is a pretty large leeway?...
I, at 57, will be getting my TEST levels checked very soon, and I'm guessing at my age, OF COURSE, my TEST levels have gone down, but gone down from what? So those with truly low TEST levels at any age are those under 300? ANYONE and ANYTHING above 300 at any age is normal and okay? No need to supplement with TRT therapy?...
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.
One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca. When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy. Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet. I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.
An endrocrinologist told me this. If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean. Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.
IronNat: good information, although I guess the confusing issue is what is the "normal" range anyway... i mean 300 to 1000 is a pretty large leeway?...
I, at 57, will be getting my TEST levels checked very soon, and I'm guessing at my age, OF COURSE, my TEST levels have gone down, but gone down from what? So those with truly low TEST levels at any age are those under 300? ANYONE and ANYTHING above 300 at any age is normal and okay? No need to supplement with TRT therapy?...
TRT is somewhat experimental. TRT blew up the last few years and long term effect data isn't in yet. The idea with TRT isn't necessarily to correct a pathology, most of the time it isn't. It's an attempt at creating increased quality of life, a supraphysiological man.
With testosterone, even with an oldschool endo, he will take into acccount how you feel at any given dose, he doesn't just treat numbers. Yes, 300 would be normal for a guy your age. And maybe you feel perfectly fine so what is he to treat? But modern TRT is for those who want more.
I still say you're never getting on TRT. You've heard enough answers but you are not satisfied. You want perfectly safe and you're never getting that.
No one? In 1961, I was on TRT and D-Bol all under a doctor's care. You did allow for special circumstances but you can't do that and still say it was no one.
It's all about dosage and risk.
If you actually have low test and stay within normal limits of TRT (100mg/week?) then negative side effects are probably minimal.
But if you are really a perfectly healthy 20-60 year old with normal test levels and use TRT as a legal way to GET HUGE then you are taking on excess risk.
I would say the majority of under 70 TRT users are in the GET HUGE category.
It really depends on WHY you would want to take testosterone. If it is for quality of life, at the expense of probably a bit shorter life, then do it. For example if you want a healthy sex drive and mild exercise/recovery benefits for an active lifestyle, 100mg-200mg per week will give you that and if monitored by a doctor your health should be fine. Yet testosterone works by activating the mTOR pathways for growth not just in muscle, but there are androgen receptors all over the body, including the heart, kidneys, prostate and some areas we haven't even researched yet. It makes a lot of things grow, not just muscle. It can grow something bad that is lurking in you that may not have revealed itself until your 70s. Or it may not. That's genetic. It really comes down to quality of life vs life extension. The "anti-aging" myth is pretty much over. Testosterone therapy does NOT increase lifespan with the rare exception of severe hypogonadism which can have bad heart effects. But few healthy men have this and if you haven't noticed it by late 50's, you probably don't have severe hypogonadism. So again, it's what you want out of life.
You want to play the high end slots and win or lose big, or the penny slots and play all night but never win or lose shit?
TRT can improve a person's mood. Happy people tend you live longer.
Talking about the masses like today. How can you be on testerone replacement when you are taking dianabol? It doesn't make sense. What makes sense is your were taking testosterone and dianabol for bodybuilding purposes. Did you actually test low for testosterone in in 1961? Bet the average doctor didn't even have a lab that would test test levels in 1961.
You are right, it was for bodybuilding purposes if you consider doctor prescribed weight-gain bodybuilding. BTW, I was not lifting weights at that time. My right testicle atrophied as a result of mumps orchitis, which sometimes causes hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. Blood testing lab work has been around since the 1940's. I honestly don't remember if the doctor ordered labs. He prescribed Dianabol @ 5 mg a day and a weekly injection of testosterone because I was quite a bit underweight for my age, despite having a very healthy appetite. I weighed 126 lbs. at 5' 11" tall. After a couple of months of this routine and a lot of food my weight increased to 144 lbs. I did another 6 week cycle when I was 18 and working out regularly. My weight increased to 180 lbs. Throughout my adult life my weight has mostly been between 165 - 180 lbs.
Anabolic steroids are legally prescribed for certain medical conditions, including a need to gain weight.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/anabolic-steroid-oral-route-parenteral-route/description/drg-20069323
TRT can improve a person's mood. Happy people tend you live longer.But time goes quicker when you are having fun
well i do plan on going to a actual doctor at a actual hospital to get my TEST levels checked.. This is the same doctor who has prescribed TRT to a acquaintance at my gym, whose 42 and been on it for a few years. Of course there are a few male vitality clinics nearby, the closest one charges 100 dollars for the whole TEST mark-up...Without knowing, I get the sense that these clinics are basically salespeople with needles?
a doctor at a hospital more legit?
speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?
a doctor at a hospital more legit?
speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?
Voice of reason. On a separate but related topic how many steroid users claim to use TRT when they get their vials of test and syringes from their steroid dealer? Then they take more test than any doctor would perscribe for low T. The function of taking TRT is replacement therapy for those with hypogonaism. Not to jack your test over what it was when you were 30 years old.
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Is this a doctor still in practice?
Can we get his name, phone number and address?
well i do plan on going to a actual doctor at a actual hospital to get my TEST levels checked.. This is the same doctor who has prescribed TRT to a acquaintance at my gym, whose 42 and been on it for a few years. Of course there are a few male vitality clinics nearby, the closest one charges 100 dollars for the whole TEST mark-up...Without knowing, I get the sense that these clinics are basically salespeople with needles?
a doctor at a hospital more legit?
speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?
But time goes quicker when you are having fun
Best to be miserable, time lasts fucking ages.
Do you want legit or do you want testosterone? A legit doc will not give you test if you are in range and don't have tons of complaints that could be related to testosterone. A legit doctor is also supposed to order a brain scan to make sure you don't have a brain tumor causing low test. :D
Modern TRT isn't about being normal and correcting a pathology. It's about going beyond normal and accepting the risks that come with it.
I recently wrote about a professor endocrinologist here in Sweden who said TRT is almost always negative and not needed. Almost no one has pathologically low testosterone. You can't go by numbers, even if low you might have excellent response to that low test. He said most TRT patients may feel good initially, for a few weeks, but then feel like shit on testosterone therapy. They get no energy, no increase in sex drive, only side effects. Then when TRT fails they end up as his patients and he has to correct the mess the clinics caused. I feel like this is the type of Dr you are looking for, who will assure you test is not a solution for whatever it is you're looking for.
In any case TRT isn't very physiological even if in normal range. It won't be higher in the morning vs at night. Your test doesn't tank if you experience disappointment, stress, lose a tennis match or smell women's tears. Yes, the smell of women's tears tanks a normal man's test :D
Many bodybuilders have a legit TRT script even if they cycle black market gear. The reason should be obvious. The script can come handy, for example if you need some gear with you when you travel, if you get sent to jail, you need to explain high test levels for whatever reason. I believe ESFitness said he was given his test shots even while in prison.
Maybe people who are looking for miracles feel like shit when they figure out they're not going to happen. I've been on TRT for several years and I feel fine. Like most people some days I feel better than others, but that has nothing to do with being on TRT....that's life.
My doctor and the lab he uses says test levels are higher in the morning assuming you sleep at night and not during the day.
Maybe people who are looking for miracles feel like shit when they figure out they're not going to happen. I've been on TRT for several years and I feel fine. Like most people some days I feel better than others, but that has nothing to do with being on TRT....that's life.
My doctor and the lab he uses says test levels are higher in the morning assuming you sleep at night and not during the day.
Are U gonna write a poem about yours doctor ............ ;D
Andy Ngo is touring EU & talking about ANTIFA in Portland ............... ;D
That is Andy Ngo's one note samba. He needs to get on with his life.
Most of the media is on the side of Antifa. Why can't there be one instance of propaganda from the other side?
Jewish Antifa is disgusting.
Have been on “enhanced TRT” with Deca for going on almost a decade now. Every single one of my health markers is within normal limits except for my BP which I treat with a water pill. I have blood work, EKGs, calcium score tests, etc. regularly. My primary care MD, who is at least 10 years younger, tells me he wishes he had my test scores. I am far from huge but it’s evident I lift and I feel amazing. Maybe I’ll drop dead tomorrow but I’m well insured and I wouldn’t do anything differently. The scare mongers on here all speak from zero personal experience and usually very little actual knowledge.
TBH, I don't follow Antifa. I wouldn't know who Andy Ngo was if it weren't for someone mentioning him on Getbig. What the heck is Jewish Antifa? Never mind, it is probably just more negative shit that literally has no impact on my life.
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