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Title: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
wondering which way i should go at my age of 57...

natural "test boosters".... pro-hormones (those still available that is) or TRT?....

No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.

Here I am worried about TRT and i can't even imagine what actual bodybuilders take (multiple roids, gh, insulin, and so on and so on!)

Serious replies and information please!

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 27, 2021, 04:31:44 PM
For what reason do you want to do this?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: funk51 on September 27, 2021, 04:39:33 PM
if you're not training for a contest, there's no purpose to do this. just continue eating healthy , training and you should have quite a few years left to enjoy life. this is just my opinion I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 27, 2021, 04:39:41 PM
It's amazing how everyone that lifts is on TRT.  I hear guys in their 40's on it. Really, you need test in your 40's? Anyone doing natural aging? 
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 27, 2021, 04:40:43 PM

No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.


Real legit TRT is not harmful. Unless you have certain underlying health problems already. It's WAY safer than Pro-H's or "Test" boosters; most are fake snake oil.

Talk to an Endocrinologist.

At your age it has more benefits than risks.

Most people on this board know very little about real TRT.

We all say we're on TRT but running 400mg of Test and some Deca every week. ;D
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 27, 2021, 04:48:52 PM
You are never getting on HRT due to being a hypochondriac. Just forget about it. If you did get on you would just be miserable constantly worrying about potential sides. You have made this exact same thread many times now. It's not for you.

Depending on your priorities, "hormone optimization" could have amazing positive effects on quality of life. Depending on what you value. So I don't understand those who claim it's never worth it. Values differ.

Here in Sweden a top endocrinologist just said in a newspaper that testosterone therapy did NOT increase sex drive, did NOT give people over 40 more energy and so on. That's hardly true in most cases IMO. He made the case that most feel like shit getting help from a clinic and then real endos like him had to straighten up the mess. Yeah ok.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: OlympiaGym on September 27, 2021, 04:49:53 PM
250 mg Test/200 Deca. Been running this 365 days a year forever. You’ll feel amazing and look phenomenal.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Spike on September 27, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
comes down to money and lifestyle

young your test puts you in super mario mode and you end up chasing the mushroom until you change your mindset

test boosters work for a little while but like most plant based supps your body gets used to it fast plus everyone has some “special blend” they want to charge $200 for 120caps

TRT is the best but at what price?? good hook up from some dealer but your levels vary consistently and your SOL when it comes to hcg anti e’s. — clinic is cool for your age but do you have insurance ? that approves trt ??

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: CalvinH on September 27, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
Just take some test you pussy.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2021, 08:00:24 PM
Van_Bilderass: actually this is only i think the 2nd time i made mention of these questions and the first time i started a actual topic thread on the matter... hypochondriac? No, i'm just cautious...As I think I should be, as everyone should be in discussing health and long term health and consequences, weighing the good and the bad.

Spike: fellow lifter and buddy at my gym, is 42, been on TRT for years now, and he's been working out hardcore for 7 years.... Gave me his doctor who prescribes him the TRT phone #.. SO the doctor at a hospital is legit. Didn't ask him how much it costs and how he gets it (i.e. injection, patch, gel, etc.)
Basically no doubt that at my age, my Test is at least lower (than what? what is was before).. and my goals are to get in the best shape (hard muscle) without ruining my health and shortening the life span.. Everything and Anything i can do that is both legal and long term NOT damaging.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Dave D on September 27, 2021, 08:11:14 PM
It's amazing how everyone that lifts is on TRT.  I hear guys in their 40's on it. Really, you need test in your 40's? Anyone doing natural aging?

What are the side effects of trt for someone in their 40’s? Are there other medications you don’t recommend for the 40 year old crowd? Do you feel the same way about women who get a hysterectomy in their 30/40’s?

Btw I’m not on any medications I’m just curious why you oppose TRT for people at an age when their testosterone levels are decreasing rapidly.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 28, 2021, 03:04:52 AM
Thanks for inventing MySpace. Are we still friends?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Mayday on September 28, 2021, 03:49:22 AM
Did 10mg andro cream but it wasn’t enough.

Been on 125/wk for about 7yrs and feel great although I have bumped it to 140/am and noticed a bit better stability.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 28, 2021, 04:19:38 AM
Van_Bilderass: actually this is only i think the 2nd time i made mention of these questions and the first time i started a actual topic thread on the matter... hypochondriac? No, i'm just cautious...As I think I should be, as everyone should be in discussing health and long term health and consequences, weighing the good and the bad.

Spike: fellow lifter and buddy at my gym, is 42, been on TRT for years now, and he's been working out hardcore for 7 years.... Gave me his doctor who prescribes him the TRT phone #.. SO the doctor at a hospital is legit. Didn't ask him how much it costs and how he gets it (i.e. injection, patch, gel, etc.)
Basically no doubt that at my age, my Test is at least lower (than what? what is was before).. and my goals are to get in the best shape (hard muscle) without ruining my health and shortening the life span.. Everything and Anything i can do that is both legal and long term NOT damaging.


Train hard and eat right (low carb).  There's your answer.  You don't need to take TRT.

Stop looking for shortcuts and cheats.

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Henda on September 28, 2021, 04:59:13 AM
Life is too short to live with low test get on trt now as when you do you will wish you had did it years ago don’t waste anymore time
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: GymnJuice on September 28, 2021, 05:16:07 AM
wondering which way i should go at my age of 57...

natural "test boosters".... pro-hormones (those still available that is) or TRT?....

No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.

Here I am worried about TRT and i can't even imagine what actual bodybuilders take (multiple roids, gh, insulin, and so on and so on!)

Serious replies and information please!

Prescribed TRT with monitoring probably safer than any 'natural' booster or 'prohormone.' 
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: bhank on September 28, 2021, 05:41:20 AM
Train hard and eat right (low carb).  There's your answer.  You don't need to take TRT.

Stop looking for shortcuts and cheats.

How is TRT cheating?? He isn’t a professional athlete he is an aging man
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 28, 2021, 05:47:56 AM
Van_Bilderass: actually this is only i think the 2nd time i made mention of these questions and the first time i started a actual topic thread on the matter... hypochondriac? No, i'm just cautious...As I think I should be, as everyone should be in discussing health and long term health and consequences, weighing the good and the bad.



You have to accept that there are going to be some possible drawbacks. You could shorten your life, you could be one of the unlucky ones who get high blood pressure or high hematocrit or sex drive gets either too high (yes there are some who complain of this) or it goes up and down. You have to play with needles one or more times per week.

But 100mg of test enanthate and 1iu of gh could be amazing.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: bhank on September 28, 2021, 05:54:29 AM
Quality of life matters as much as your length of life
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 28, 2021, 07:06:06 AM
How is TRT cheating?? He isn’t a professional athlete he is an aging man

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Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Grape Ape on September 28, 2021, 07:26:19 AM
If you have low test, there is nothing wrong with TRT, as low test can cause a myriad of issues, including depression.

If I get to that point, I'll likely explore it, but I'm not there yet.

Had levels checked mid year.

If I went on it now, I know I'd ego lift and get hurt.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: a_pupil on September 28, 2021, 08:26:23 AM
Life is too short to live with low test get on trt now as when you do you will wish you had did it years ago don’t waste anymore time

For you older guys, is it problem that you're on trt and still jacked in your 40s while the mrs is aging at the normal pace? Sex drive also might become incompatible

Maybe a work around is slipping dbol powder in her coffee.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 28, 2021, 08:32:58 AM
If you have low test, there is nothing wrong with TRT, as low test can cause a myriad of issues, including depression.

If I get to that point, I'll likely explore it, but I'm not there yet.


Had levels checked mid year.

If I went on it now, I know I'd ego lift and get hurt.

This is the right idea.

Has the OP even had his test levels checked?  He did not mention  it.

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Henda on September 28, 2021, 09:19:31 AM
For you older guys, is it problem that you're on trt and still jacked in your 40s while the mrs is aging at the normal pace? Sex drive also might become incompatible

Maybe a work around is slipping dbol powder in her coffee.

Not quite 40s yet and don’t consider self jacked haha but yes truthfully can be an issue with the higher sex drive I don’t know of a work around, in my case I don’t really care as debating throwing her out and get younger/better model in a few more years once kids are older but those who value their relationship i can see it causing problems
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 28, 2021, 09:40:10 AM
wondering which way i should go at my age of 57...

natural "test boosters".... pro-hormones (those still available that is) or TRT?....

No problem getting or paying for TRT, however, the idea and worry of thickening blood, blood clots, other blood issues, possible heart and liver issues has got me pretty wary? AM i being paranoid? Don't drink or smoke and eat healthy and have no physical issues.

Here I am worried about TRT and i can't even imagine what actual bodybuilders take (multiple roids, gh, insulin, and so on and so on!)

Serious replies and information please!

TRT is for people with low test levels. Lab work will determine this. Your doctor will prescribe the correct dose and monitor your labs to avoid any of the issues you are concerned about. You should also have you PSA monitored. Oral anabolic steroids have been known to cause liver problems. However, they are mostly illegal and limited to specific use. I doubt your doctor would prescribe them. Your primary care physician may recommend you see an endocrinologist. 
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 29, 2021, 06:01:08 PM
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.

One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca.  When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy.  Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet.  I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.

An endrocrinologist told me this.  If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean.  Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2021, 06:24:26 PM
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.

One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca.  When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy.  Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet.  I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.

An endrocrinologist told me this.  If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean.  Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.
No one? In 1961, I was on TRT and D-Bol all under a doctor's care. You did allow for special circumstances but you can't do that and still say it was no one.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Dave D on September 29, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.

One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca.  When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy.  Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet.  I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.

An endrocrinologist told me this.  If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean.  Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.

Of course it a new “trend” does that mean it’s worthless? Are there no benefits to legitimate  TRT? Does it improve your quality of life or only harm it?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Notomorrow on September 29, 2021, 09:33:11 PM
It really depends on WHY you would want to take testosterone. If it is for quality of life, at the expense of probably a bit shorter life, then do it. For example if you want a healthy sex drive and mild exercise/recovery benefits for an active lifestyle,  100mg-200mg per week will give you that and if monitored by a doctor your health should be fine. Yet testosterone works by activating the mTOR pathways for growth not just in muscle, but there are androgen receptors all over the body, including the heart, kidneys, prostate and some areas we haven't even researched yet. It makes a lot of things grow, not just muscle. It can grow something bad that is lurking in you that may not have revealed itself until your 70s. Or it may not. That's genetic. It really comes down to quality of life vs life extension. The "anti-aging" myth is pretty much over. Testosterone therapy does NOT increase lifespan with the rare exception of severe hypogonadism which can have bad heart effects. But few healthy men have this and if you haven't noticed it by late 50's, you probably don't have severe hypogonadism. So again, it's what you want out of life.

You want to play the high end slots and win or lose big, or the penny slots and play all night but never win or lose shit?

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 30, 2021, 04:41:21 AM
It's all about dosage and risk.

If you actually have low test and stay within normal limits of TRT (100mg/week?) then negative side effects are probably minimal.

But if you are really a perfectly healthy 20-60 year old with normal test levels and use TRT as a legal way to GET HUGE then you are taking on excess risk.

I would say the majority of under 70 TRT users are in the GET HUGE category.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Tom on September 30, 2021, 06:49:23 AM
IronNat: good information, although I guess the confusing issue is what is the "normal" range anyway... i mean 300 to 1000 is a pretty large leeway?...

I, at 57, will be getting my TEST levels checked very soon, and I'm guessing at my age, OF COURSE, my TEST levels have gone down, but gone down from what? So those with truly low TEST levels at any age are those under 300? ANYONE and ANYTHING above 300 at any age is normal and okay? No need to supplement with TRT therapy?...

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 30, 2021, 06:55:49 AM
IronNat: good information, although I guess the confusing issue is what is the "normal" range anyway... i mean 300 to 1000 is a pretty large leeway?...

I, at 57, will be getting my TEST levels checked very soon, and I'm guessing at my age, OF COURSE, my TEST levels have gone down, but gone down from what? So those with truly low TEST levels at any age are those under 300? ANYONE and ANYTHING above 300 at any age is normal and okay? No need to supplement with TRT therapy?...



You don't sound like you are having problems.  You sound like you want a shortcut to muscles.

If that is what you want consult your local gym pusher for anabolic steroids.  Ask the 'roiders at your gym to hook you up.


Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 30, 2021, 07:04:47 AM
This of course begs the question of why you’re still concerned with your arm being an inch bigger at your age. It’s not gonna get you 25 year old pussy.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 07:28:02 AM
No one was on TRT in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's. It's a new thing to sell you drugs. I'm sure someone will spin this with some google information. No there wasn't anything called hormone replacement for decades for the masses only in specific circumstances. It's a recent thing. Guys will do it until they have prostate enlargement, heart attack or stroke. Then they will look like absoulute crap when a doc cuts them off because their own test will be shut down permanently from doing it for decades.

One of the treatments for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer is drug castration where they give you a pill to cut off testosterone in your body. The reason why anabolic steroids were invented was because the Soviet lifters in the 50's had serious prostate issues from using a lot of testosterone. Drugs like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were invented to give a higher anabolic property of testosterone with mitigated androgen properties. The popular injectable back in the day was Deca.  When the feds started cracking down veterianarian drugs like Equipose and Winstrol V became wildly popular. On a side note these drugs are being counterfeited and not like the original drugs that came from a legit pharmaceutical lab in the US and sold through a pharmacy.  Packaging and inserts are the easiest to counterfiet.  I have no clue what the pros are taking today but they look soft, sick vascular and have a bloat look to them. Seriously looks unhealthy.

An endrocrinologist told me this.  If you want to increase your natural testosterone then get lean.  Being chubby decreases test and raises estrogen. It also causes test to aromatize to estrogen.

Most of what you say is false. You are still on about drugs being fake today. WTF do you think happens when bodybuilders go from doing 500mg of steroids to 5,000 all the way up to 10,000mg? You get what you see today. It's not fake drugs, it's more drugs. Modern bodybuilding physiques is what you get. Do you have eyes to see? Do you think Nick Walker looks like he does due to fake drugs? Really?
There has never been as many real steroids on the market as today. I could buy a million dollars worth of steroids within 48 hours if I wanted to. You think it was as easy in the 80s? It wasn't. Dealers had very small selections, today you can get anything you want in any quantity.

Knowledge of prostate enlargement has advanced from what you've heard. A low T level is enough to saturate all the receptors in the prostate and a higher level doesn't necessarily grow your prostate more. Furthermore, it's been found that other hormones like estrogen contribute to BPH. It's multifactorial.

You are right that anabolics were developed to make them more anabolic vs androgenic, essentially making them SARMs. But they were never able to dissociate those effects. I don't buy those stories of Russians not being able to piss without catheters or whatever the stories said. They weren't taking that much anyway.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 07:36:46 AM
IronNat: good information, although I guess the confusing issue is what is the "normal" range anyway... i mean 300 to 1000 is a pretty large leeway?...

I, at 57, will be getting my TEST levels checked very soon, and I'm guessing at my age, OF COURSE, my TEST levels have gone down, but gone down from what? So those with truly low TEST levels at any age are those under 300? ANYONE and ANYTHING above 300 at any age is normal and okay? No need to supplement with TRT therapy?...

TRT is somewhat experimental. TRT blew up the last few years and long term effect data isn't in yet. The idea with TRT isn't necessarily to correct a pathology, most of the time it isn't. It's an attempt at creating increased quality of life, a supraphysiological man.

With testosterone, even with an oldschool endo, he will take into acccount how you feel at any given dose, he doesn't just treat numbers. Yes, 300 would be normal for a guy your age. And maybe you feel perfectly fine so what is he to treat? But modern TRT is for those who want more.

I still say you're never getting on TRT. You've heard enough answers but you are not satisfied. You want perfectly safe and you're never getting that.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: AbrahamG on September 30, 2021, 09:04:19 AM
TRT is somewhat experimental. TRT blew up the last few years and long term effect data isn't in yet. The idea with TRT isn't necessarily to correct a pathology, most of the time it isn't. It's an attempt at creating increased quality of life, a supraphysiological man.

With testosterone, even with an oldschool endo, he will take into acccount how you feel at any given dose, he doesn't just treat numbers. Yes, 300 would be normal for a guy your age. And maybe you feel perfectly fine so what is he to treat? But modern TRT is for those who want more.

I still say you're never getting on TRT. You've heard enough answers but you are not satisfied. You want perfectly safe and you're never getting that.

@Tom - don't overthink this. Van, in a polite way is calling you a pussy. He's not wrong. Shit or get off the pot.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 30, 2021, 10:50:28 AM
No one? In 1961, I was on TRT and D-Bol all under a doctor's care. You did allow for special circumstances but you can't do that and still say it was no one.

Talking about the masses like today. How can you be on testerone replacement when you are taking dianabol? It doesn't make sense.  What makes sense is your were taking testosterone and dianabol for bodybuilding purposes. Did you actually test low for testosterone in in 1961?  Bet the average doctor didn't even have a lab that would test test levels in 1961.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 30, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
It's all about dosage and risk.

If you actually have low test and stay within normal limits of TRT (100mg/week?) then negative side effects are probably minimal.

But if you are really a perfectly healthy 20-60 year old with normal test levels and use TRT as a legal way to GET HUGE then you are taking on excess risk.

I would say the majority of under 70 TRT users are in the GET HUGE category.

Voice of reason. On a separate but related topic how many steroid users claim to use TRT when they get their vials of test and syringes from their steroid dealer? Then they take more test than any doctor would perscribe for low T.  The function of taking TRT is replacement therapy for those with hypogonaism. Not to jack your test over what it was when you were 30 years old.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Kwon on September 30, 2021, 11:03:14 AM
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Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 11:31:19 AM
It really depends on WHY you would want to take testosterone. If it is for quality of life, at the expense of probably a bit shorter life, then do it. For example if you want a healthy sex drive and mild exercise/recovery benefits for an active lifestyle,  100mg-200mg per week will give you that and if monitored by a doctor your health should be fine. Yet testosterone works by activating the mTOR pathways for growth not just in muscle, but there are androgen receptors all over the body, including the heart, kidneys, prostate and some areas we haven't even researched yet. It makes a lot of things grow, not just muscle. It can grow something bad that is lurking in you that may not have revealed itself until your 70s. Or it may not. That's genetic. It really comes down to quality of life vs life extension. The "anti-aging" myth is pretty much over. Testosterone therapy does NOT increase lifespan with the rare exception of severe hypogonadism which can have bad heart effects. But few healthy men have this and if you haven't noticed it by late 50's, you probably don't have severe hypogonadism. So again, it's what you want out of life.

You want to play the high end slots and win or lose big, or the penny slots and play all night but never win or lose shit?

TRT can improve a person's mood. Happy people tend you live longer.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 30, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
TRT can improve a person's mood. Happy people tend you live longer.

Yeah but as Van said, if he’s always worried about the side effects, from a mental standpoint that’s a decrease in quality of life.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 12:39:12 PM
Talking about the masses like today. How can you be on testerone replacement when you are taking dianabol? It doesn't make sense.  What makes sense is your were taking testosterone and dianabol for bodybuilding purposes. Did you actually test low for testosterone in in 1961?  Bet the average doctor didn't even have a lab that would test test levels in 1961.

You are right, it was for bodybuilding purposes if you consider doctor prescribed weight-gain bodybuilding. BTW, I was not lifting weights at that time. My right testicle atrophied as a result of mumps orchitis, which sometimes causes hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. Blood testing lab work has been around since the 1940's. I honestly don't remember if the doctor ordered labs. He prescribed Dianabol @ 5 mg a day and a weekly injection of testosterone because I was quite a bit underweight for my age, despite having a very healthy appetite. I weighed 126 lbs. at 5' 11" tall. After a couple of months of this routine and a lot of food my weight increased to 144 lbs. I did another 6 week cycle when I was 18 and working out regularly. My weight increased to 180 lbs. Throughout my adult life my weight has mostly been between 165 - 180 lbs.

Anabolic steroids are legally prescribed for certain medical conditions, including a need to gain weight.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/anabolic-steroid-oral-route-parenteral-route/description/drg-20069323
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IroNat on September 30, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
You are right, it was for bodybuilding purposes if you consider doctor prescribed weight-gain bodybuilding. BTW, I was not lifting weights at that time. My right testicle atrophied as a result of mumps orchitis, which sometimes causes hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. Blood testing lab work has been around since the 1940's. I honestly don't remember if the doctor ordered labs. He prescribed Dianabol @ 5 mg a day and a weekly injection of testosterone because I was quite a bit underweight for my age, despite having a very healthy appetite. I weighed 126 lbs. at 5' 11" tall. After a couple of months of this routine and a lot of food my weight increased to 144 lbs. I did another 6 week cycle when I was 18 and working out regularly. My weight increased to 180 lbs. Throughout my adult life my weight has mostly been between 165 - 180 lbs.

Anabolic steroids are legally prescribed for certain medical conditions, including a need to gain weight.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/anabolic-steroid-oral-route-parenteral-route/description/drg-20069323

Is this a doctor still in practice?

Can we get his name, phone number and address?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 01:21:11 PM
There are a lot of unserious HRT clinics now too. Repackaged Chinese underground gear, sometimes seriously diluted, wrong dosage on label etc.

Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Tom on September 30, 2021, 03:13:18 PM
well i do plan on going to a actual doctor at a actual hospital to get my TEST levels checked.. This is the same doctor who has prescribed TRT to a acquaintance at my gym, whose 42 and been on it for a few years. Of course there are a few male vitality clinics nearby, the closest one charges 100 dollars for the whole TEST mark-up...Without knowing, I get the sense that these clinics are basically salespeople with needles?

a doctor at a hospital more legit?

speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: joswift on September 30, 2021, 03:17:39 PM
TRT can improve a person's mood. Happy people tend you live longer.
But time goes quicker when you are having fun

Best to be miserable, time lasts fucking ages.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: GymnJuice on September 30, 2021, 03:32:01 PM
well i do plan on going to a actual doctor at a actual hospital to get my TEST levels checked.. This is the same doctor who has prescribed TRT to a acquaintance at my gym, whose 42 and been on it for a few years. Of course there are a few male vitality clinics nearby, the closest one charges 100 dollars for the whole TEST mark-up...Without knowing, I get the sense that these clinics are basically salespeople with needles?

a doctor at a hospital more legit?

speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?

If it is a general practitioner who also manages your diabetes, hypertension etc and also is willing to give you testosterone then it's legit.  If it's an anti-aging clinic that's how they make money is by giving you what you want, so they'll screen for big red flags with scheduled bloodwork but they won't go digging deep into anything.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 03:39:40 PM

a doctor at a hospital more legit?

speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?

Do you want legit or do you want testosterone? A legit doc will not give you test if you are in range and don't have tons of complaints that could be related to testosterone. A legit doctor is also supposed to order a brain scan to make sure you don't have a brain tumor causing low test. :D

Modern TRT isn't about being normal and correcting a pathology. It's about going beyond normal and accepting the risks that come with it.

I recently wrote about a professor endocrinologist here in Sweden who said TRT is almost always negative and not needed. Almost no one has pathologically low testosterone. You can't go by numbers, even if low you might have excellent response to that low test. He said most TRT patients may feel good initially, for a few weeks, but then feel like shit on testosterone therapy. They get no energy, no increase in sex drive, only side effects. Then when TRT fails they end up as his patients and he has to correct the mess the clinics caused. I feel like this is the type of Dr you are looking for, who will assure you test is not a solution for whatever it is you're looking for.

In any case TRT isn't very physiological even if in normal range. It won't be higher in the morning vs at night. Your test doesn't tank if you experience disappointment, stress, lose a tennis match or smell women's tears. Yes, the smell of women's tears tanks a normal man's test  :D

Voice of reason. On a separate but related topic how many steroid users claim to use TRT when they get their vials of test and syringes from their steroid dealer? Then they take more test than any doctor would perscribe for low T.  The function of taking TRT is replacement therapy for those with hypogonaism. Not to jack your test over what it was when you were 30 years old.

Many bodybuilders have a legit TRT script even if they cycle black market gear. The reason should be obvious. The script can come handy, for example if you need some gear with you when you travel, if you get sent to jail, you need to explain high test levels for whatever reason. I believe ESFitness said he was given his test shots even while in prison.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 30, 2021, 03:57:52 PM
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 ;D

I've watched both of these at least 20 times already.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: OlympiaGym on September 30, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
Have been on “enhanced TRT” with Deca for going on almost a decade now. Every single one of my health markers is within normal limits except for my BP which I treat with a water pill. I have blood work, EKGs, calcium score tests, etc. regularly. My primary care MD, who is at least 10 years younger, tells me he wishes he had my test scores. I am far from huge but it’s evident I lift and I feel amazing. Maybe I’ll drop dead tomorrow but I’m well insured and I wouldn’t do anything differently. The scare mongers on here all speak from zero personal experience and usually very little actual knowledge.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
Is this a doctor still in practice?

Can we get his name, phone number and address?

LOL! Maybe, but not in this life.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 04:38:19 PM
well i do plan on going to a actual doctor at a actual hospital to get my TEST levels checked.. This is the same doctor who has prescribed TRT to a acquaintance at my gym, whose 42 and been on it for a few years. Of course there are a few male vitality clinics nearby, the closest one charges 100 dollars for the whole TEST mark-up...Without knowing, I get the sense that these clinics are basically salespeople with needles?

a doctor at a hospital more legit?

speaking of getting your TEST levels checked, without knowing, do you need to have it done more than once to confirm the levels?

Not sure what labs only for test levels cost, but my urologists orders Hematocrit, PSA and Testosterone and the lab charges $158. which is discounted t $54. Insurance pays $44. and I pay $10. Your health insurance may or may not cover labs ordered by a 'vitality clinic' and the clinic may or may not accept you health insurance.

My doctor suggests getting the blood draw for the labs in the morning because test levels are higher. I am not a morning person so for me morning means early afternoon. They'll probably want to one set of labs prior to starting test to see if you even need it. If you do, the next labs would be before your next office visit which depends on how often your doctor wants to see you. I've had the same urologist for a couple of decades. At this point, I see him once a year. When I first started with him the visits were quarterly, because he wanted to monitor my PSA and testosterone closely.   
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 04:41:26 PM
But time goes quicker when you are having fun

Best to be miserable, time lasts fucking ages.

I know you are kidding, but this doesn't make sense....why would you want to live a long time if you are miserable? Answer, you wouldn't. ;)
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 04:49:14 PM
Do you want legit or do you want testosterone? A legit doc will not give you test if you are in range and don't have tons of complaints that could be related to testosterone. A legit doctor is also supposed to order a brain scan to make sure you don't have a brain tumor causing low test. :D

Modern TRT isn't about being normal and correcting a pathology. It's about going beyond normal and accepting the risks that come with it.

I recently wrote about a professor endocrinologist here in Sweden who said TRT is almost always negative and not needed. Almost no one has pathologically low testosterone. You can't go by numbers, even if low you might have excellent response to that low test. He said most TRT patients may feel good initially, for a few weeks, but then feel like shit on testosterone therapy. They get no energy, no increase in sex drive, only side effects. Then when TRT fails they end up as his patients and he has to correct the mess the clinics caused. I feel like this is the type of Dr you are looking for, who will assure you test is not a solution for whatever it is you're looking for.

In any case TRT isn't very physiological even if in normal range. It won't be higher in the morning vs at night. Your test doesn't tank if you experience disappointment, stress, lose a tennis match or smell women's tears. Yes, the smell of women's tears tanks a normal man's test  :D

Many bodybuilders have a legit TRT script even if they cycle black market gear. The reason should be obvious. The script can come handy, for example if you need some gear with you when you travel, if you get sent to jail, you need to explain high test levels for whatever reason. I believe ESFitness said he was given his test shots even while in prison.

Maybe people who are looking for miracles feel like shit when they figure out they're not going to happen. I've been on TRT for several years and I feel fine. Like most people some days I feel better than others, but that has nothing to do with being on TRT....that's life.

My doctor and the lab he uses says test levels are higher in the morning assuming you sleep at night and not during the day.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
Maybe people who are looking for miracles feel like shit when they figure out they're not going to happen. I've been on TRT for several years and I feel fine. Like most people some days I feel better than others, but that has nothing to do with being on TRT....that's life.

My doctor and the lab he uses says test levels are higher in the morning assuming you sleep at night and not during the day.

You don't have higher test in the morning, you have artificial test in you and are fully suppressed. All your test is artificial. That's why exogenous test would be advantageous for an athlete even if test was kept in the normal range, you don't get fluctuations. You don't get low test even if overtrained, sleep deprived, starving, extremely emotionally stressed or what have you.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 30, 2021, 05:31:28 PM
Maybe people who are looking for miracles feel like shit when they figure out they're not going to happen. I've been on TRT for several years and I feel fine. Like most people some days I feel better than others, but that has nothing to do with being on TRT....that's life.

My doctor and the lab he uses says test levels are higher in the morning assuming you sleep at night and not during the day.

Are U gonna write a poem about yours doctor ............ ;D

Andy Ngo is touring EU & talking about ANTIFA in Portland ............... ;D
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 06:01:30 PM
Are U gonna write a poem about yours doctor ............ ;D

Andy Ngo is touring EU & talking about ANTIFA in Portland ............... ;D

That is Andy Ngo's one note samba. He needs to get on with his life.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 06:09:46 PM
That is Andy Ngo's one note samba. He needs to get on with his life.

Most of the media is on the side of Antifa. Why can't there be one instance of propaganda from the other side?

Jewish Antifa is disgusting.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
Most of the media is on the side of Antifa. Why can't there be one instance of propaganda from the other side?

Jewish Antifa is disgusting.

TBH, I don't follow Antifa. I wouldn't know who Andy Ngo was if it weren't for someone mentioning him on Getbig. What the heck is Jewish Antifa? Never mind, it is probably just more negative shit that literally has no impact on my life.
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Dave D on September 30, 2021, 06:30:58 PM
Have been on “enhanced TRT” with Deca for going on almost a decade now. Every single one of my health markers is within normal limits except for my BP which I treat with a water pill. I have blood work, EKGs, calcium score tests, etc. regularly. My primary care MD, who is at least 10 years younger, tells me he wishes he had my test scores. I am far from huge but it’s evident I lift and I feel amazing. Maybe I’ll drop dead tomorrow but I’m well insured and I wouldn’t do anything differently. The scare mongers on here all speak from zero personal experience and usually very little actual knowledge.

What are we talking about here, vaccines?
Title: Re: Test Boosters? Pro-Hormones? or TRT?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 30, 2021, 06:39:49 PM
TBH, I don't follow Antifa. I wouldn't know who Andy Ngo was if it weren't for someone mentioning him on Getbig. What the heck is Jewish Antifa? Never mind, it is probably just more negative shit that literally has no impact on my life.

I call it Jewish because Jews claim Antifa as their invention. If you are gainst Antifa you are anti-Semitic they say.
For example, from Haaretz:

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Opinion: Trump's Attacks on Antifa Are Attacks on Jews
American Jews cannot support Trump's 'war' on anti-fascism and his camp's conspiracy theories about the 'hidden hand' behind legitimate protest and dissent

Or The Forward:

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The Yiddish roots of antifa – the anti-fascist movement whose precursors date back at least as far as opposition to the Russian czar – have been well documented. They are also enshrined in a canon of Yiddish antifa songs – songs of resistance, anarchism, revolution, and workers’ rights – that listeners might find eerily resonant and applicable to our present moment.

Yes this Ngo homo (as in he's homosexual though it doesn't protect him) is running propaganda and he's attacked for veiled racism, white supremacism, or what have you. But so what? There's a shit ton of pro-Antifa propaganda in the media so what's the problem with one guy covering the other side? Antifa literally want to kill him. Antifa are mentally ill junkies run by Jews against whites.