Yates vs Taylor vs Haney in '91

[ChristopherA]

The record was seven and he got eight, pure and simple.


Yates looked almost exactly the same in 1992 as he did in 1991, basically a white version of Haney. Thus, with Haney gone, the Shadow took the title.

You talk as if Haney couldn't have made similar improvements. It's not as if Haney was 10 years older than Yates. They're just three years apart.

Haney>Yates all day long

[Grape Ape]

Haney>Yates all day long

One contest, and it was super close, when Haney was at his all time best and Yates was just starting out in the pros.

93/95 Yates wax Haney.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The record was seven and he got eight, pure and simple.


Yates looked almost exactly the same in 1992 as he did in 1991, basically a white version of Haney. Thus, with Haney gone, the Shadow took the title.

You talk as if Haney couldn't have made similar improvements. It's not as if Haney was 10 years older than Yates. They're just three years apart.

Yates would have had to be somewhat bigger than Haney to beat him. At the same size, Haney gets the better of Yates, due to shape and aesthetics.

17:00 second mark.  " Lee are you going to retire now? You know something? I've been competing for 9 years and I finally leaned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years "

He retired because he won the beat Arnolds record and because of Dorian Yates. Dorian in his first Olympia contest beat him in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter. If Haney repeated his condition from 1991 in 1992 I think he would've beaten Dorian again. Dorian was only 3lbs heavier in 1992 compared with 1991. By 1993 NO version of Haney is beating Dorian. Could he improve? Not likely. Like Lenda Murray said about Dorian in 1991. " He's like Haney with legs " Haney had nothing to gain by competing again, He bowed out in the best shape of his career and cemented his legacy. Smart man.

[Humble Narcissist]

The record was seven and he got eight, pure and simple.


Yates looked almost exactly the same in 1992 as he did in 1991, basically a white version of Haney. Thus, with Haney gone, the Shadow took the title.

You talk as if Haney couldn't have made similar improvements. It's not as if Haney was 10 years older than Yates. They're just three years apart.

Yates would have had to be somewhat bigger than Haney to beat him. At the same size, Haney gets the better of Yates, due to shape and aesthetics.

Haney wouldn't have made more improvements. He was at his peak. Yates was a baby.

[Royalty]

I believe that Haney weighed around 250 in 1991. 1992 probably would’ve been another Haney victory, if he had chosen to compete.


Haney could have easily shown up at the 1993 Mr Olympia at 255 or so, and pushed Dorian Yates to the limit. I think that Yates would’ve won... but Haney would’ve won some comparisons.


It would’ve been close.


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[Grape Ape]

I believe that Haney weighed around 250 in 1991. 1992 probably would’ve been another Haney victory, if he had chosen to compete.


Haney could have easily shown up at the 1993 Mr Olympia at 255 or so, and pushed Dorian Yates to the limit. I think that Yates would’ve won... but Haney would’ve won some comparisons.


It would’ve been close.


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93 Yates destroys Haney.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I believe that Haney weighed around 250 in 1991. 1992 probably would’ve been another Haney victory, if he had chosen to compete.


Haney could have easily shown up at the 1993 Mr Olympia at 255 or so, and pushed Dorian Yates to the limit. I think that Yates would’ve won... but Haney would’ve won some comparisons.


It would’ve been close.


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Haney was 249lbs in 1991 and Dorian was 239lbs. In 1992 Dorian was 242lbs and not much different than 1991 that's why I feel Haney in 1991 form would probably beat him again. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admitted he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it. Dorian 1993 was 257lbs and shredded Haney wouldn't stand a chance even at his best in 1991 it wouldn't be close it would be a blow out just like it was in 1993 anyway.

[MCWAY]

One contest, and it was super close, when Haney was at his all time best and Yates was just starting out in the pros.

93/95 Yates wax Haney.

Again, you assume Haney would have been the same size as he was in 1991.

Haney was 249lbs in 1991 and Dorian was 239lbs. In 1992 Dorian was 242lbs and not much different than 1991 that's why I feel Haney in 1991 form would probably beat him again. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admitted he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it. Dorian 1993 was 257lbs and shredded Haney wouldn't stand a chance even at his best in 1991 it wouldn't be close it would be a blow out just like it was in 1993 anyway.

Unless my memory is foggy, the ESPN video that I had of the 1991 Olympia had Haney at 241 and Yates at 239, approximately the same size. Haney certainly doesn't look ten pounds bigger than Yates in those pics.

Haney wouldn't have made more improvements. He was at his peak. Yates was a baby.

If Yates can put on more size at 28, why couldn't Haney have done the same at 31? Look at Ronnie Coleman. If you saw him in the early 90s, you would have NEVER thought he'd blow up to how he looked in the late 90s or early 2000s (especially 2003).

[Rusty Trombone]

Haney and Yates were a CLEAR #1 and #2

Not in that pic

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again, you assume Haney would have been the same size as he was in 1991.

Unless my memory is foggy, the ESPN video that I had of the 1991 Olympia had Haney at 241 and Yates at 239, approximately the same size. Haney certainly doesn't look ten pounds bigger than Yates in those pics.

If Yates can put on more size at 28, why couldn't Haney have done the same at 31? Look at Ronnie Coleman. If you saw him in the early 90s, you would have NEVER thought he'd blow up to how he looked in the late 90s or early 2000s (especially 2003).

Unless my memory is foggy, the ESPN video that I had of the 1991 Olympia had Haney at 241 and Yates at 239, approximately the same size. Haney certainly doesn't look ten pounds bigger than Yates in those pics.

In Haney's book and from Flex , Muscle & Fitness and Musclemag they all listed his weight as 249lbs.

If Yates can put on more size at 28, why couldn't Haney have done the same at 31? Look at Ronnie Coleman. If you saw him in the early 90s, you would have NEVER thought he'd blow up to how he looked in the late 90s or early 2000s (especially 2003).

Haney was heavier in 1989 ( 257lbs ) and was admittedly to heavy and not ripped. Haney could come in heavier but could he come in heavier and still remain shredded? 1989 says otherwise.

[Grape Ape]

Again, you assume Haney would have been the same size as he was in 1991.

Since he was at his all time best and it was close when Yates was just a pup, and Haney had sacrificed condition earlier in his career to add size, it doesn't seem like Haney would be anywhere near Yates.

Prime Coleman might not win in 93.

[NarcissisticDeity]

249lbs He's back to his old self in reference to how small he was in the drug tested 1990 Mr Olympia

[Hulkotron]

I have strong feelings on this, anyone who disagrees with me simply present your exact location and we’ll “sort it out”.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Vince wasn't close to Haney or Yates in 1991

[ProudVirgin69]

Call me naive but I don’t think Haney was willing to totally go “all-you-can-eat hormona buffet” like Yates.  So I’m not sure he was willing to do what it would take to stay ahead of—or even keep up with—Yates.

Regardless, Haney is the GOAT.  More titles, better looking physique, no torn body parts, no “controversial” showings.

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[Royalty]

93 Yates destroys Haney.

93 Yates destroys the 91 Haney.

If Haney pushed the envelope, he could’ve added 8 lbs of muscle and hit the stage at 256lbs... roughly same weight as Yates in 1993

And Haney would’ve crushed Wheeler and Levrone

[NarcissisticDeity]

93 Yates destroys the 91 Haney.

If Haney pushed the envelope, he could’ve added 8 lbs of muscle and hit the stage at 256lbs... roughly same weight as Yates in 1993

And Haney would’ve crushed Wheeler and Levrone

Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and was admittedly off. I recall reading in the magazines back then that Flex could've probably beaten Haney if there was never a Yates, Would've been cool to see not sure if I'd agree with that

[Royalty]

Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and was admittedly off. I recall reading in the magazines back then that Flex could've probably beaten Haney if there was never a Yates, Would've been cool to see not sure if I'd agree with that

I think that Haney and Wheeler both had a hard time getting their hamstrings to be lean/dry.

That’s where a 100% Shawn Ray would have become dangerous.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think that Haney and Wheeler both had a hard time getting their hamstrings to be lean/dry.

That’s where a 100% Shawn Ray would have become dangerous.

Glutes & hams. Which is part of the reason Flex lost to Ronnie in 1998.

[Grape Ape]

93 Yates destroys the 91 Haney.

If Haney pushed the envelope, he could’ve added 8 lbs of muscle and hit the stage at 256lbs... roughly same weight as Yates in 1993

And Haney would’ve crushed Wheeler and Levrone

Ok so a real version of Yates at his best beats a real version of Haney at his.

But the most dominant win in Olympia history might not have been if  a fictitious version of Haney showed up.

[Royalty]

Ok so a real version of Yates at his best beats a real version of Haney at his.

But the most dominant win in Olympia history might not have been if  a fictitious version of Haney showed up.

I think that a slightly better version of the 1991 Haney would’ve placed a close 2nd to Yates in 1993

So the top 3 would’ve been

Yates
Haney
Wheeler