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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Topic started by: GoneAway on November 27, 2008, 12:44:16 AM
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September 25, 1971. Paris, France.
For the first time, the show was held outside of New York. The Mr. Olympia contest was held in Paris a few days after the NABBA Mr. Universe was held in London. The IFBB Mr. Universe was also held in the same arena as the Mr. Olympia.
In this Mr. Olympia, Arnold competed unopposed. Sergio filed his application to compete in July, but was later disqualified after competing in the 1971 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe the week before. This was the first year that the IFBB instituted its rule to disqualify competitors who compete in non-sanctioned events (e.g. for rival organisations such as the NABBA.) Convenient for Arnold, as Sergio was in stellar shape. Instead, Sergio was allowed to put on an exhibition posing session for the crowd.
Arnold was in the shape of his life; rivalling the 1973 and 1974 Mr. Olympia appearances. This was Arnold's second Mr. Olympia victory and set the standard for Sergio vs. Arnold III the following year.
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Arnold reportedly weighed in at 260lbs!
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Arnold vs. Sergio... nearly!
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Small wonder Oliva stopped competing in the Olympia during the 70s after the 71 and 72 debacles! The fact that no one else was in the contest such as Nubret or Oliva is absurd.
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September 25, 1971. Paris, France.
For the first time, the show was held outside of New York. The Mr. Olympia contest was held in Paris a few days after the NABBA Mr. Universe was held in London. The IFBB Mr. Universe was also held in the same arena as the Mr. Olympia.
In this Mr. Olympia, Arnold competed unopposed. Sergio filed his application to compete in July, but was later disqualified after competing in the 1971 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe the week before. This was the first year that the IFBB instituted its rule to disqualify competitors who compete in non-sanctioned events (e.g. for rival organisations such as the NABBA.) Convenient for Arnold, as Sergio was in stellar shape. Instead, Sergio was allowed to put on an exhibition posing session for the crowd.
Arnold was in the shape of his life; rivalling the 1973 and 1974 Mr. Olympia appearances. This was Arnold's second Mr. Olympia victory and set the standard for Sergio vs. Arnold III the following year.
Fantastic shot of arnold in that bicep shot :o :o :o
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One thing that i've always noticed was that it was only when he stayed heavy that high thighs were substantial, when he lost some of that weight it came right off the legs.
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I actually think Sergio was in better shape when this shot was taken in 1971 @ 233lbs than the shape he showed up in as a guess poser @ the 1971 O.
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Couple more from the year 1971
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Not 100% sure of the date of this rare Arnold back pic :o ??? :o!!!
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Arnold's arms look like they measure around 22 inches! Simply out of this world size.
A rare back lat spread from the champ and some more shots of Sergio guestposing. He was dialed in, ready for battle.
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I actually think Sergio was in better shape when this shot was taken in 1971 @ 233lbs than the shape he showed up in as a guess poser @ the 1971 O.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=249251.0;attach=288885;image)
That shot was actually taken in 1972 shortly before the Olympia when Sergio was under the guidance of Arthur Jones.
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People can say what they want about Arnold's legs, but in this pic, they are decent sized and the separation is about as good as you will ever see. In 75 and 80, of course, they didn't look like this.
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People can say what they want about Arnold's legs, but in this pic, they are decent sized and the separation is about as good as you will ever see. In 75 and 80, of course, they didn't look like this.
Agreed, i think it confirms that when he lost weight it came off the legs first, because at higher weights they looked pretty solid actually.
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That shot was actually taken in 1972 shortly before the Olympia when Sergio was under the guidance of Arthur Jones.
Ah..........no mate that picture and others were taken @ Arthur jones ranch in 1971 while Sergio was trialing out Jones Nautalus equipment etc along with Casey Viator etc.
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Ah..........no mate that picture and others were taken @ Arthur jones ranch in 1971 while Sergio was trialing out Jones Nautalus equipment etc along with Casey Viator etc.
I have a vintage muscle magazine that states it was in '72. Untill YOU provide proof otherwise, I'm going with 1972, "mate".
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I have a vintage muscle magazine that states it was in '72. Untill YOU provide proof otherwise, I'm going with 1972, "mate".
Feel free to post that vintage mag that states it was 1972 then i will post the side bye side pics of Sergios FDB and BDB that states 233LBs 5ft 10inch 1971 "mate"
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If possible, I'd like to keep this and other contest threads strictly with pics that relate to the specific contest.
johnny1 and Pollux, maybe you guys can debate this over PM or start a new thread on the subject.
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If possible, I'd like to keep this and other contest threads strictly with pics that relate to the specific contest.
johnny1 and Pollux, maybe you guys can debate this over PM or start a new thread on the subject.
I'm not gonna PM this clown for a debate. You're a cool cat, GoneAway. I'll respect your wishes, dawg. I'm done with this Johnny1 character.
I'm surprised no one competed against Arnold for the '71 Olympia title. He was the new "kid" in town who had only won the Olympia once, and no one dared to try and tackle him (ie. Draper, Columbu, Zane, etc.)?
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By the way, had Sergio competed in '71 for the Olympia title, I think it would've been a bigger/better battle than the '72 Olympia. Sergio looked fuckin' AMAZING! :o 8)
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I'm not gonna PM this clown for a debate. You're a cool cat, GoneAway. I'll respect your wishes, dawg. I'm done with this Johnny1 character.
I'm surprised no one competed against Arnold for the '71 Olympia title. He was the new "kid" in town who had only won the Olympia once, and no one dared to try and tackle him (ie. Draper, Columbu, Zane, etc.)?
;) ;) ;)a clown is someone who challenge's someones post as you done stating that FDB of sergio is from 1972 not 1971, then posts no PROOF to back up his argument rattling on somthing about what you have SEEN in a vintage
BB mag, so just for you sunshine ill post my PROOF later on today and we will let others decide on whos talking rubbish, and as you'rve done ditto to you, ill post PROOF then thats it we are done. :) :) :)
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www.drdarden.com, darden, "Oliva trained with jones during the late summer of 1971, not 1972". heres visual proof....
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If possible, I'd like to keep this and other contest threads strictly with pics that relate to the specific contest.
johnny1 and Pollux, maybe you guys can debate this over PM or start a new thread on the subject.
apologies Goneaway about interupting this thread you started, i was actually trying to help it along with pictures from the year 1971 to do with Arnold and Sergio til it got side tracked.
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a larger shot of Oliva in paris 1971
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I'm surprised no one competed against Arnold for the '71 Olympia title. He was the new "kid" in town who had only won the Olympia once, and no one dared to try and tackle him (ie. Draper, Columbu, Zane, etc.)?
The review of the contests suggests that Franco may have been going to do battle with Arnold and Sergio, but he was DQed for competing as a pro in the 1971 IFBB Mr. World, held September 12. I guess Franco was still an amateur at the time.
In the end, I guess it was the same old story as in Sergio's 1968 win - no one thought they could beat Arnold!
apologies Goneaway about interupting this thread you started, i was actually trying to help it along with pictures from the year 1971 to do with Arnold and Sergio til it got side tracked.
No problem. Thanks for getting back on track and keep those Sergio pics coming! That relaxed shot is much better quality than the one I posted earlier, which washed out a bit of detail.
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Arnold 1971 :)
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The champ looking big as ever and ripped to shreds.
Franco guestposing, since he was disqualified from competition.
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Arnold never had a problem doing the numbers. :)
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Franco guestposing, since he was disqualified from competition.
Why? ???
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Arnold never had a problem doing the numbers. :)
LOL, good catch johnny. It was his trademark by that point. ;)
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What year did Franco win the Mr Universe?
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1970, which I didn't know until now, so that adds a new spin on things. I deleted my last comment, and this is how I think it goes:
Apparently, it was due to Franco's entry in the AAU Mr. World the previous year, in which he was classified as a pro in that event. So, he would be ineligable to enter the amateur Mr. Universe if he's a pro (as of 1971's rules). So, if we say that Franco won his "pro card" at the IFBB 1970 Mr. Universe (September 4/5), hence why he entered the AAU Mr. World (September 19), then he would be ineligable to compete as an amateur in the 1971 Universe, as of Ben Weider's official declaration of pro and amateur rules, set at the '71 Universe. Having said that, why didn't he just enter the Mr. Olympia? Was he even eligable to enter the Mr. Universe again the year after winning it? The last question is likely why Franco was DQed, as maybe he didn't know that he wasn't allowed to enter the contest again.
Here's the write-up for the 1971 Universe / Olympia. Edited from Muscle Builder: Vol 13, Num 3, Page 24. April 1972.
THRILL-BY-THRILL REPORT OF THE SENSATIONAL 1971 IFBB MR. UNIVERSE - MR. OLYMPIA CONTEST!
1971 IFBB MR. UNIVERSE & MR. OLYMPIA CONTESTS
by BOB HISE, IFBB Observer, A.A.U. Delegate and F.H.I. Alternate.
Standing under the Arc de Triomphe, the most venerated shrine in the whole of France, I thrilled to a lovely Parisian sunset. I closed my eyes and contemplated all that had happened here at the focal point of the capital city of western Civilization for 2500 years. I saw the fierce armies of Caesar, Napoleon, the Kaiser, Czar Peter, and Eisenhower enter the Champs Elysées and wage furious struggles against powerful foes. Some to leave victorious, other conqured. Paris appeared such a likely choice to host the greats of might and valor whenever they chose to do battle. Tomorrow another awesome struggle between giants would start - the 1971 IFBB Mr. Universe Contest.
SURPRISE DISQUALIFICATIONS STARTLE THREE ENTRANTS
At two in the afternoon on September 24 it began with pre-judging, a somber time not at all like the festivities of the formal contest a day later. Pre-judging was particularly disheartening for Sergio Oliva and Roy Callender. They were disqualified for entering unsanctioned meets and not allowed to compete. Francisco Columbu was disqualified for entering a professional contest. This was the first-ever time the IFBB barred contestants from any of its events. The step was necessary to prove the IFBB would enforce its Constitution and give it parity with other official international athletic organizations. "If bodybuilding is to become an Olympic Games event it must have an amateur division and it must have rules and regulations specifying who is eligible or not to compete in amateur and professional categories," insisted IFBB President Ben Weider in the keynote speech opening the contest. Ben told how the IFBB is gunning for representation in the 1976 Olympics and that favorable progress is being made.
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Since only a portion of the audience understood the French-speaking emcee, a great buzz of astonishment rose as a new superstar shaped up in the wings. He strode to the podium as audience hysteria made it impossible for anyone to hear his name announced. In fifty languages, only one thought was expressed: "Who is this fantastic bodybuilder?" He stood about 5'5", darkhued, with arms at least 20". And he whipped through difficult poses with the confidence and poise of a man who should be a Mr. Universe or a Mr. Olympia. The density of his back looked capable of shielding a battleship. Lats and shoulders seemed other-worldly and indeed many spectators thought they were hallucinating. As he left, half the crowd sat stupefied, stunned too deeply to applaud, the remainder went berserk with kudos and we all asked why wasn't this new face in the amateur Mr. Universe just presented. It wasn't until breathless moments later we realized he couldn't be. We were marvelling at a new supersaturated unrecognizable Francisco Colombu in exhibition. A sure winner had he competed, Colombu is no less than the third best built man alive. And the other two were about to appear.
OFFICER OLIVA MAKES AN UNEXPECTED APPEARANCE
Sergio Oliva, recently appointed to the Chicago police department, filed an application to enter the Mr. Olympia show in July. Naturally it was accepted, but when he made known his intentions to enter a non-sanctioned contest, his IFBB application was returned. Ben Weider pleaded with Sergio not to disqualify himself by entering this unsanctioned event. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger, begging for competition, told Sergio six weeks in advance that the IFBB would not let him in but Oliva, prodded by his patron, Arthur Jones of Florida, would not listen. He went to London and was refused at Paris. Heartbroken, Sergio did not realize the now-official status of the IFBB demanded it bar him. Oliva was very steamed up to appear before this muscle-hungry crowd in any capacity, however. He pleaded to go on as an exhibitor and after some deliberation the request was granted, only after sending a letter of apology to the IFBB Congress.
And what a performance he gave! No matter how often one sees Sergio the reaction must always be the same-absolute amazement. He tore the place apart. His magnetism and charisma even exceeds Arnold's. He makes fans on cue in the tradition of Grimek, Scott, and Reeves, for he is a physique buff's dream. He provides more than just an incredible body and posing display. He is an indescribable complete show in himself and awed the fans from start to finish.
Sergio was in as good shape as I've ever seen him. But he makes too many concessions to bulk-madness. Apparently he refuses to train properly because a lack of muscle-density holds him back from being totally unstoppable. Arnold and Colombu are definitely in his class. With greater density to complement his awesome size, shape, and proportion, Oliva would be peerless. If Sergio would hit California this summer and pick up some more tips from Joe Weider, who originally brought him to prominence, he might easily regain Mr. Olympia in 1972.
Only in the Mr. Olympia event did this fantastic night falter. Defending champ Arnold Schwarzenegger charged through his paces unopposed. Without Sergio or Colombu breathing down his broad back Arnold appeared relaxed. He was far superior to his 1970 shape to this viewer (meaning ultra-fantastic) and only direct comparisons with the others would have determined the best built man of all time. The fans wanted The Great Posedown III, but gladly settled for Arnold solo. Maybe next year.
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Arnold reportedly weighed in at 260lbs!
Shawn Perine just posted on Ironage that he recently spoke with Arnold and asked him how much he weighed in 1971 and Arnold said 246 pounds
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,19870.0.html