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From Getbig News...
New events unfolded today regarding Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan.
Robert George, the attorney that was present at the first hearing and who also appeared on MSNBC's The Abrams Report, is no longer representing Craig Titus.
Steven Boozang, a Massachusetts lawyer who has been with the case since the beginning, is working with another Massachusetts lawyer, Anthony Cardinale. Cardinale is a noted lawyer who has worked on several high profile cases. Boozang said he and Cardinale "Leave no stones unturned, in representing Titus in both Massachusetts and in Nevada."
Currently representing Kelly Ryan is John Gibbons, along with another high profile attorney, which will be revealed in a day or so.
According to Boozang, Titus is looking forward to coming back and fighting these charges. He is anxiously waiting to get back to Nevada to face them head on. Craig will not be fighting the extradition hearing, and perhaps, it may even be waived before the court date of January 12th. Everything just happened so fast for Craig that he needed to slow things down, and put together a defense team that he was comfortable with to represent his best interest. The same went for Kelly Ryan.
Both Craig and Kelly wish to thank the people that care about them, and are supporting them during this extremely difficult time. They also ask that people do not judge them before hearing all of the facts, which will come out in time.
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sounds logical and glad they can afford great defense because they are up against some serious charges.
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the first attorney seemed to be very knowledgable and wise as shown on interview, i guess he realized the true fact that dis case is inivietable and too fathom to win.....sad but true...... :-\ :-\
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yeah, Roberts was good, very good, and frankly, it wouldn't be good for his stellar rep to be taking on a case like Titus'
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yeah, Roberts was good, very good, and frankly, it wouldn't be good for his stellar rep to be taking on a case like Titus'
i remember when he defended a few colorful mobsters and did a good job. this case came up fast, who knows if he even had time for this case.
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Roberts did some Patriot Act litigation last year in DC also, I think.
Once he dropped, the unwritten vegas odds against a Plea dropped from 4 to 1 to 3 to 1.
Read the signs. Craig and Kelly plead out. I'll put a paypal wager down if anyone's game. This thing is over.
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It looks like Titus has found the perfect attorney.
Boston attorney Anthony Cardinale has represented several high profile mafia crime figures, including John Gotti's longtime partner, Frank Locascio.
http://www.ganglandnews.com
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Titus dropped him because he felt he "couldn't trust a man who doesn't do cardio."
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It looks like Titus has found the perfect attorney.
Boston attorney Anthony Cardinale has represented several high profile mafia crime figures, including John Gotti's longtime partner, Frank Locascio.
http://www.ganglandnews.com
what good defense lawyer in new england hasnt defended a 'mobster' :)
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Read the signs. Craig and Kelly plead out. I'll put a paypal wager down if anyone's game. This thing is over.
No plea. This thing is going to trial.
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Roberts did some Patriot Act litigation last year in DC also, I think.
Once he dropped, the unwritten vegas odds against a Plea dropped from 4 to 1 to 3 to 1.
Read the signs. Craig and Kelly plead out. I'll put a paypal wager down if anyone's game. This thing is over.
240 state the conditions and the specific wager btw lets not create a tom prince farcical wager unless you want to and we're all sufficiently board :)
i mean bored
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240 state the conditions and the specific wager btw lets not create an tom prince farcical wager unless you want to and we're all sufficiently board :)
i mean bored
i'm thinking of some kind of online pool...
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No plea. This thing is going to trial.
If that's the case, they'll lose and will never see the light of day again. There ain't gonna be no "OJ" thing happening here... they're white. ;)
The only chance either of them has is if they roll on the other and convince the authorities the other person did it and they played only a marginal role. However, at least one of them is going away for life.
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Roberts was probably relieved and couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Titus likely demanded a lawyer who passionately believes "Craig's 100% not quilty"!
Someone more in the Johnny Cock Ring mold. :D
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Reprresenting a mobsters doesn't make you a good lawyer. And murder is not a major reason why mobsters go to court. Defending a murder case is totally different from any other type of case. I would definitely have a lawyer with murder case experience. The first attorney did sound good maybe to good. He is fact knew he was fighting a very very tought battle and basically wanted nothing to do with the case. Titus's past is going to catch up to him with this. The both of them didn't do one thing to show anything but guilt in this case. No matter what the attorneys say or Craig says and does they all know this is going to be a hard case to win. But no matter what they all have to show confidence and give the illusion that they are innocent.
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Does anyone know if there has been any sign of remorse on the part of Craig and Kelly? Any words or body language that might express how one really feels after killing someone close to them?
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The problem was this -- the first lawyer is only licensed to practice in Mass, so he can only represent Craig for the extradition portion of the case. Since the state seeking extradition wins 99% of the time, why pay a "top lawyer" "big bucks" to fight a losing battle. I think it's clear that Craig was snookered by the lawyer into believing he could win the extradition portion of the case and never have to return to Nevada. Obviously since then, someone (like the jailhouse lawyers) knocked some sense into him.
The other possibility is that Craig bounced his check to the lawyer. Hmmm...I guess that one actually makes more sense.
Special "Rubber Ducky" Ed
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save the expressive body language and pantomime for the bodybuilding night show
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You really can't read a lawyer's mind as to why a lawyer might get off a case. This case will be very time-consuming for a lawyer. 1)the lawyer must deal with the issues in MA 2) the lawyer will likely need to be admitted pro hac to appear in Nevada, 3) the lawyer will have to spend a lot of time out in Nevada - this means not working very much on other cases back at home, 4) the lawyer will have to familiarize him/herself with Nevada laws and procedure...
It very well could be that the first lawyer simply wasn't interested in that type of time commitment.
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You really can't read a lawyer's mind as to why a lawyer might get off a case. This case will be very time-consuming for a lawyer. 1)the lawyer must deal with the issues in MA 2) the lawyer will likely need to be admitted pro hac to appear in Nevada, 3) the lawyer will have to spend a lot of time out in Nevada - this means not working very much on other cases back at home, 4) the lawyer will have to familiarize him/herself with Nevada laws and procedure...
It very well could be that the first lawyer simply wasn't interested in that type of time commitment.
You say that as if the lawyer who took on Titus knew less about the case than a one-post moron on getbig.com. C'mon, any schmucklawyer worth his weight in doggydoo knows the commitment involved before signing on to a case like this. If he was ill-equipped to handle it, he should have turned it down in the first place. He probably smoked Craig for the $8000 cash they had on them for his one court appearance. Nice job, Boston Legal.
Special "Bobby Donnelly" Ed
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You say that as if the lawyer who took on Titus knew less about the case than a one-post moron on getbig.com. C'mon, any schmucklawyer worth his weight in doggydoo knows the commitment involved before signing on to a case like this. If he was ill-equipped to handle it, he should have turned it down in the first place. He probably smoked Craig for the $8000 cash they had on them for his one court appearance. Nice job, Boston Legal.
Special "Bobby Donnelly" Ed
It is far more complicated than that. You don't know that arrangements of the representation. He may have only agreed to represent him for the MA portion, he may have only taken the case to buy Craig time to shop for another lawyer, he and Craig may not have been comfortable with each other, he may have had another case come up and asked Craig to be excused, he may have felt unqualified to handle Nevada law or he may have another pressing matter which requires him to stay in MA.
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he and Craig may not have been comfortable with each other
Did you see his interview? The guy's got 4 chins! Craig decided he just couldn't respect a guy who doesn't do cardio.
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Both Craig and Kelly wish to thank the people that care about them, and are supporting them during this extremely difficult time. They also ask that people do not judge them before hearing all of the facts, which will come out in time.
You're welcome Craig & Kelly
;)
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Special "Bobby Donnelly" Ed
LMAO... damn I miss that show.
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Murder cases can drag out and the longer the worse for them. They are not millioniares or close to it. After selling their houses and eveything else how much do they have. Lets say $700,000 cash. That won't go far in a murder trial if they expect to get off, not with all the negative shit on their side. Their house mught by appraised at that price but it won't fetch that. And how much do they owe. They have had the thing for a few years. Who knows though. I think Craig shoudl start acting likea crazy fucker and then plead insanity now. He should cut off his dick or something with a popsicle stick. That will make him look crazy
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they'll sign over the book deal rights. Plus the lawyer will do it because his name will be on the news every day as a result of this case. If he wins, he could be the next Johnnie Cochran.
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lol or mayor of las vegas
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mr george has a few other BIG high profile cases currently. one of them the case of christa worthington, a blond fashion editor. the defendant is charged with murder, aggravated rape, armed burglary w/ assault. the defendant is african american. so, many buttons are being pressed. :)
ps mr george just filed 14 motions on behalf of his client so he's gonna be a busy junkyard dog. :D
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they'll sign over the book deal rights. Plus the lawyer will do it because his name will be on the news every day as a result of this case. If he wins, he could be the next Johnnie Cochran.
Yeah, the public will be knocking down doors to buy this book. ::)
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There won't be a book deal. Why? There is not that much intrique here or mystery. The exact place of death has not been established or the exact person, but they have the players and they will figure out the rest. What would have made this more interesting as a story is if no body was found yet. That keeps an ongoing investigation and story going. The body was quickly found and indentified. Just dumping the body in the desert would have made it more mysterious too. But it was found in a car registered to the owners and bosses of the person found in the car. They are not high profile people. So this would not make a good book It is basically a couple of drugged out ex-body-abusers who lost control and killed someone.
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not a book or a movie
dumb swingers who couldnt pull off a simple murder
NO, they had to complicate it
by shopping in a walmart on video at 3 am
using a creditcard to pay for it
being too lazy to dig a grave
firebomb their own car
thinking the body would be cremated
when it only burned.
blabbing about it,
using the cell phone all across america
so the FBI could track them
buy the biggest truck in production and
expecting to fly under the radar screen
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they'll sign over the book deal rights. Plus the lawyer will do it because his name will be on the news every day as a result of this case. If he wins, he could be the next Johnnie Cochran.
Not an easy thing to do. While this may be big news in the bodybuilding world, it is not generating much attention among the rest of population.
Furthermore, most bar association codes strongly restrict the forms of compensation a lawyer may accept. Therefore, Titus would have to sign the rights to a third party for a lump cash payment and then use that cash to pay the lawyer.
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This thing is going to trial and Gloria Aldred is going to represent Kelly Ryan....
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what book deal??? no one knows the murderer and his ugly wife beside few people who are into the bodybuilding thing.
the murderer is gone and so is the ugly wife. they will never see freedom again and the murderer will most likely face the death chamber.
when will you get it...that only few maniacs (me included ) that are involved in bodybuilding some way or another know those criminals??
there is no lawyer in the usa that can save the murderer and his ugly wife. this case is a home run. there is an american jury that will sit and "eat" this murderer's life and will probably "cook" his ugly wife's life too. in the best case the murderer will get life in prison and this is only ONLY if he has lots and lots and lots of money (simpson like money) and the murderer DOES NOT HAVE A DIME! he got 400k house and that is it! it!!! he owes money from here to mexico to australia to china and back to usa. this murderer CAN NOT fight nothing because he knows that his slight chance for life in prison will be out the window the moment he does.
dont ever forget few factors: scot peterson got THE DEATH CHAMBER with out finding even slight connection between the bones found and himself. they could not prove he murdered the girl by any means beside time line and lies out of his mouth!! they did connect him by one way and it was location where he was fishing that was same area where the bones found. that was enough for the death chamber for peterson!!
scot peterson had rich family and a very supportive spoilding kinda family with money and they will probably save him from the death chamber at the end. THE MURDERER does not have that kinda money, not even close to that kinda money, and i do not see his parents jumping with money in like the petersons.
peterson was the all american typa chubby boy and was good looking, OUR MURDERER on the other hand has criminal past and convictions and got a horrible look which include, now days, a small body with old look and skin all over due to hormonal balance getting all fucked up. he looks rough and ugly the way many rapists look....and the jury will hate him HATEEEE HIM.
if scot peterson got the death chamber, our murderer is going to the chamber too... trust me on that.
book deal ;D good joke
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scot peterson had rich family and a very supportive spoilding kinda family with money and they will probably save him from the death chamber at the end. THE MURDERER does not have that kinda money, not even close to that kinda money, and i do not see his parents jumping with money in like the petersons.
Peterson was a 30-year old fertilizer salesman. He lived in a small house in a decent neighborhood.
Titus and Ryan owned a 450k+ house, had other holdings, and Kelly Ryan's family has some pretty serious money.
If you'd like to bet a few bucks that the net worths of Petersons > that of TItus & Ryan, you will lose, buddy. :-\
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Peterson was a 30-year old fertilizer salesman. He lived in a small house in a decent neighborhood.
Titus and Ryan owned a 450k+ house, had other holdings, and Kelly Ryan's family has some pretty serious money.
If you'd like to bet a few bucks that the net worths of Petersons > that of TItus & Ryan, you will lose, buddy. :-\
again dumb bodybuilders cant read AGAIN!!!
I DO NOT CARE WHAT PETERSON WORKED AT. YOU ARE MISSING THE WHOLE FUCKIN POINT. THE PETERSON FAMILY IS RICH BEYOND RICH...WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT THE 30 YEAR OLD PETERSON WORKED AT???? IM TALKIN ABOUT HIS PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND THE EXTENDED FAMILY!!!
THE MURDERER IS POOR. HE OWES MONEY TO MANY PEOPLE I KNOW PERSONALY AND HIS 400 K HOUSE IS NOTHING. MY OWN DAD AND MOM LIVE IN A 1.2 MILLION HOUSE. HIS HOUSE IS IS NOTHING 400 K IS NOTHING IN THE WEST COAST. HE HAD ON HIM 8 K WHEN HE COUGHT BY THE FEDS HE IS POOR WITH A CAPITAL P. HE DOESNT HAVE ANY OTHER HOLDINGS THAT WORTH ANYTHING. THE ONES HE HAS THAT ARE WORTH FEW 10S OF THOUSANDS WILL BE TAKEN VERY SHORTLY.
THE UGLY WIFE'S DADDY MIGHT HAVE MONEY BUT I DOUBT! HIGHLY DOUBT HE WILL GIVE ANY OF IT OUT TO HELP THE MURDERER. REMEMBER NO KIDS IN THE PICTURE HE MIGHT HELP HIS DAUGHTER AND TO BE HONEST I DOUBT IT TOO.
THE MURDERER AND HIS UGLY WIFE FINANCIAL SITUATION IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE PETERSONS. THE PETERSONS WERE MILLIONERS BEFORE THE TRIAL. THE MURDERER AND HIS WIFE WERE NOT I SAY AGAIN NOT STABLE FINANCIALY!
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right, if it gets to trial
the jury will NOT LIKE craig anymore
more than a bunch of crooked IFBB judges liked either of them.
unless they get some degenerates on the jury
who like to attended these type parties
then craiggers could walk
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I haven't looked into the case enough to render an educated opinion on the evidence, but it is going to be very interesting to see what evidence comes into this trial and what does not. Exactly what comes in will go a long way towards determining whether or not the jury is fond of Titus.
While I doubt this case is going to garner much widespread national attention, it is an Evidence Professor's dream.
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I haven't looked into the case enough to render an educated opinion on the evidence, but it is going to be very interesting to see what evidence comes into this trial and what does not. Exactly what comes in will go a long way towards determining whether or not the jury is fond of Titus.
While I doubt this case is going to garner much widespread national attention, it is an Evidence Professor's dream.
educated opinion ? lol um we're inbetween taking a dump and another coffee enema
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I haven't looked into the case enough to render an educated opinion on the evidence, but it is going to be very interesting to see what evidence comes into this trial and what does not. Exactly what comes in will go a long way towards determining whether or not the jury is fond of Titus.
While I doubt this case is going to garner much widespread national attention, it is an Evidence Professor's dream.
dont forget the motion to bar craiggers previous bad acts by the defense.
this aint going to be a quicky. they would convict a guy with no money fast
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I haven't looked into the case enough to render an educated opinion on the evidence, but it is going to be very interesting to see what evidence comes into this trial and what does not. Exactly what comes in will go a long way towards determining whether or not the jury is fond of Titus.
While I doubt this case is going to garner much widespread national attention, it is an Evidence Professor's dream.
Evidence? There is evidence? Have they processed a crime scene? There's forensics? Where? I'd like to look at the evidenc too. So far, there isn't that much "evidence."
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Evidence? There is evidence? Have they processed a crime scene? There's forensics? Where? I'd like to look at the evidenc too. So far, there isn't that much "evidence."
I mean evidence in a more general legal sense. Ie: Prior bad acts, prior convictions, evidence of flight, character evidence, hearsay, etc.
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Cardinale is a mob attorney, I imagine he is well connected in Vegas. Boozang is no one in Boston. If one wants to "get off" in MA, one should hire:
Joe Balliro
Frank Mondano
Kevin Reddington
Titus needs Nevada lawyers if he wants to even get a decent plea bargain. He's never gonna walk, but he might be out in 15 years with the right representation.
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Peterson was a 30-year old fertilizer salesman. He lived in a small house in a decent neighborhood.
Titus and Ryan owned a 450k+ house, had other holdings, and Kelly Ryan's family has some pretty serious money.
If you'd like to bet a few bucks that the net worths of Petersons > that of TItus & Ryan, you will lose, buddy.
240 you are under the impression $450k is allot of money for a house. It isn't. In addition, living in a house doesn't mean you own it. Until it is paid off, the bank owns it. I highly dount the house was paid in full. If they liquidated all their assets and after paying capital gains on the income and other taxes and pay off their debts to creditors do you think they will have much more than maybe $400,000. I don't. But, how much money they have or don't have won't help them in the end cause they have no where the money OJ or Blake has to get them off certain guilty verdicts. By the way, in my condo complex their is a studio for sale for $560,000. There is a 500 sq.ft. condo for sale down the street for $500,000. I know the owner of the second place. He bought that place in 1999 for $83,000. Now it is worth a half a million. The property in Kona has double in less than 3 years ever since Trump was on Larry King telling everyone the place to invest in property was Kona.
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kona is my coffee flavor
after french roast that is