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Title: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2014, 10:42:59 AM
Uh oh.   :-\

Colin Kaepernick being investigated for possible sexual assault
April 10, 2014
NFC WEST, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
BY JOSH SANCHEZ

On Thursday afternoon, news surfaced that San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick could be facing some legal trouble for a recent incident in Florida. As first reported by TMZ.com, and later confirmed by the Miami Police Department, the 49ers’ signal-caller is being investigated for a possible sexual assault incident that occurred in Miami earlier this month.

The report states that the case is in the “beginning stages” of the investigation and it is important to note that no one has been charged at this time.

There are no further details available at this time and Kaepernick has yet to comment on the allegations. The 49ers acknowledged the report, and said they are still in fact-finding mode.

“49ers organization is aware of the recent media report regarding Colin Kaepernick,” it said in a statement, “and is in the process of gathering the pertinent facts.”

Per Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee, 49ers receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks wideout Ricardo Lockette are also part of the investigation, with the incident in question occurring at Lockette’s apartment in Miami.

Last month, a report surfaced that the 49ers were hoping to lock Kaepernick up to a long-term extension before the start of this year’s training camp. It will be interesting to see if allegations could delay the process and cause them to pump the brakes. The former second-round pick in the 2011 NFL draft is currently set to make a $973K base salary in 2014 as part of his rookie deal.

With the investigation ongoing, more information should be released in the coming days.

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/10/colin-kaepernick-sexual-assault-investigation/
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 10, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
It was probably with another guy.

He's a douchebag, tatt'd up yo boy. Don't like him at all. I hate how he wears his hats sideways on his head during interviews. Grow the fuck up and look like a professional.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
It was probably with another guy.

He's a douchebag, tatt'd up yo boy. Don't like him at all. I hate how he wears his hats sideways on his head during interviews. Grow the fuck up and look like a professional.

I don't like the image he is portraying, but a douchebag?  I don't see that.  Was a great high school student (4.0).  Was a model student-athlete at Nevada.  Got his degree.  Never in trouble.  Been solid on and off the field in the NFL so far. 

But talk about bad timing.  Just as he's about to ink a big contract. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 10, 2014, 11:04:58 AM
meh...


Just something about him that irks me.


I'm sure he did something to piss this young lady off. Probably broke things off with her and starting banging a friend of hers.


He'll still get his money.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
meh...


Just something about him that irks me.


I'm sure he did something to piss this young lady off. Probably broke things off with her and starting banging a friend of hers.


He'll still get his money.

Or the allegations could be entirely fabricated. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 10, 2014, 12:34:39 PM
from Espn:



Cops investigate Kaepernick, others
 

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick and two other NFL players are being investigated by Miami police for an incident earlier this month at a Miami hotel.
 

AP Photo/Marcio Jose SanchezThe 49ers say they are aware of an investigation of Colin Kaepernick and others by Miami police.

 
Police, contacted Thursday afternoon, confirmed that there is an investigation but would not describe or categorize the exact nature of what police are looking into.
 
No arrests have been made, and no charges have been filed.
 
According to an incident report filed with Miami police on Friday, an unnamed woman said she had an encounter with Kaepernick, 49ers wide receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette on April 1 at the Viceroy hotel in downtown Miami. The woman told police she spent time with the three players, drinking and smoking marijuana in Lockette's apartment and eventually ending up in a bedroom with Kaepernick.
 
According to the report, she told police both of them removed their clothes but did not have sex. Kaepernick eventually left the room. The woman also told police, according to the report, that Patton and Lockette later opened the door and "peeked" into the room but closed the door and left after the woman told them to get out. She told police she could not remember anything after that.
 
TMZ.com reported earlier Thursday that Kaepernick is being investigated for an alleged sexual assault, according to law enforcement sources. Those sources told TMZ that the investigation is in its "beginning stages."
 
However, police would not confirm that or characterize the incident or nature of the investigation when contacted by ESPN.
 
49ers general manager Trent Baalke, in a statement released Thursday, said the team is aware of the report and "is in the process of gathering the pertinent facts."
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 AM
49ers are having a great offseason.....Kapernick, Culliver, and now Aldon Smith.....
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 14, 2014, 01:29:58 PM
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.  This dude needs help.   :-\

Aldon Smith arrested at airport
Updated: April 14, 2014
By Adam Schefter | ESPN

Los Angeles police arrested San Francisco 49ers linebacker-defensive end Aldon Smith at Los Angeles International Airport on Sunday afternoon after he indicated he was in possession of a bomb.

Smith was booked Sunday afternoon, according to LAPD Sgt. Michael Fox. Smith was charged with a false bomb report, which is punishable by up to one year in jail. He posted $20,000 bail Sunday night, according to multiple reports.

49ers general manager Trent Baalke issued a statement saying: "We are disappointed to learn of the incident today involving Aldon Smith. As this is a pending legal matter and we are still gathering the pertinent facts, we will have no further comment."

According to Los Angeles World Airports PIO Sgt. Karla Ortiz, the incident happened as the man, later identified as Smith, was going through Terminal 1 screening and was randomly selected for secondary screening.

Smith then became belligerent and uncooperative with the process and with the TSA agent, making a comment indicating that he was in possession of a bomb before proceeding toward the gate area, according to Ortiz.

Los Angeles Airport Police made contact with him at the gate and he then became uncooperative again and was detained and taken into custody by Airport Police.

Many people on the scene, including former Marine veteran Clayton Mullaly, captured the incident on video.

This incident is Smith's latest run-in with the law.

In November, Smith pleaded not guilty to three felony counts of illegal possession of an assault weapon, stemming from an incident at a party at his home in 2012.

Smith also missed five games this past season while spending time in an alcohol treatment center. He entered treatment voluntarily three days after he was arrested for drunken driving for the second time since early 2012.

It's a jam-packed, guest filled offseason podcast hosted by Robert Flores. Adam Caplan, Bill Williamson, Darren Rovell and Mike Freeman examine the latest NFL stories.

Despite the five-game absence, Smith finished with 12 sacks and 34 tackles over the course of the Niners' season, which ended in a NFC Championship Game loss to division rival Seattle.

Smith, 24, is facing charges for both the arrest for the incident at his home and the September arrest for drunk driving. This latest incident could trigger league discipline. The NFL did not suspend Smith after the September arrest. In October, commissioner Roger Goodell said the fact that Smith voluntarily sought treatment could play a role in him not getting a suspension.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10777877/aldon-smith-detained-los-angeles-airport
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 14, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
Phenomenal talent on the field but a .10 brain off of it.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 14, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Phenomenal talent on the field but a .10 brain off of it.

I don't know what is wrong with him. 

Wait.  Actually I do know what part of the problem might be.  I've said for years that taking a kid with poor life training and turning him into an overnight millionaire is a recipe for disaster.  I remember Lawrence Taylor talking about how his drug habit started because he was walking about with six figures spending money and didn't find a productive way to spend the money. 

These kids have no oversight.  Nobody telling them "no."  Surrounded by leaches. 

I don't know if this kid had poor life training, but that could be part of the problem (along with the money). 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 15, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
I don't know what is wrong with him. 

Wait.  Actually I do know what part of the problem might be.  I've said for years that taking a kid with poor life training and turning him into an overnight millionaire is a recipe for disaster.  I remember Lawrence Taylor talking about how his drug habit started because he was walking about with six figures spending money and didn't find a productive way to spend the money. 

These kids have no oversight.  Nobody telling them "no."  Surrounded by leaches. 

I don't know if this kid had poor life training, but that could be part of the problem (along with the money). 

The thing about the life training is that these atheltes, especially the rookies, do receive life training at these rookie symposiums. Whether it's financial advice or advice from police officers reagrding the law, the guys do get exposed to these realities from the very start. It's up to them as to whether or not they want to heed these advices or think they are above all that. There is a % of the world population that are just plain stupid knuckleheads and always find themselves in trouble. A small number of pro athletes can and will fall under that %. These are young men who are about to earn millions of dollars and have no idea how to mentally prepare for that.


What ever happened to being just plain stupid or crazy? Enough with the excuses for his behavior or any other knucklehead.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 15, 2014, 11:55:18 AM
The thing about the life training is that these atheltes, especially the rookies, do receive life training at these rookie symposiums. Whether it's financial advice or advice from police officers reagrding the law, the guys do get exposed to these realities from the very start. It's up to them as to whether or not they want to heed these advices or think they are above all that. There is a % of the world population that are just plain stupid knuckleheads and always find themselves in trouble. A small number of pro athletes can and will fall under that %. These are young men who are about to earn millions of dollars and have no idea how to mentally prepare for that.


What ever happened to being just plain stupid or crazy? Enough with the excuses for his behavior or any other knucklehead.

A few hours in a meeting will not compensate for a failure to provide a kid with proper training during his formative years.  It's too late already. 

My pie in the sky solution is to make a college degree a prerequisite to playing major professional sports.  Will never happen, but it would prevent a lot of this stuff IMO.  Look at the knuckleheads in professional sports.  How many of them have college degrees?  I've never looked at the percentages, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of professional athletes who actually finished school rarely show up on the police blotter.   
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 15, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
I guess this isn't as a bad as the first headline, but what the heck are they doing in a hotel room at midnight with one drunk/high naked female on the bed??  Idiots. 

And this cuts directly against what I just said about college degrees, because Kaepernick graduated from Nevada.   :-\

Report: Lockette called 911 after woman refused to leave apartment
Posted on April 14, 2014
by Eric Branch   

Seahawks wide receiver Ricardo Lockette made a 911 call at 12:03 a.m. on April 2 after arguing with the unnamed 25-year-old woman at the center of a Miami police investigation that also involves 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick and wide receiver Quinton Patton, Andy Slater of 940-AM in Miami reported today.

According to a Miami police incident search report, Lockette called from the Viceroy Hotel after the woman, who was lying naked on Kaepernick’s bed, refused to leave. In response, a Crisis Intervention Team was summoned to Apt. 4710. The woman was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital by the Miami fire department.

According to the program’s web site, Florida’s CIT is a “police response program designed for first responders who handle crisis calls involving people with mental illness including those with co-occurring substance abuse disorders.”

In a Miami police incident report taken on April 3, the woman says she blacked out after drinking shots and smoking marijuana in the players’ company and woke up in a hospital bed. The woman said she blacked out when she was naked on a bed, where she had been with Kaepernick. She said they did not have sex, but had done so in the past. The woman was reportedly given a rape test at the hospital.

On Friday, Kaepernick, on Twitter, blasted an initial report that claimed he was being investigated for sexual assault.

“The charges made in the TMZ story and other stories I’ve seen are completely wrong,” Kaepernick said. “They make things up about me that never happened. I take great pride in who I am and what I do, but I guess sometimes you have to deal with someone who makes things up …. I assure you that your faith is not misplaced.”

The players have not been charged with crimes. The investigation is being conducted by the Miami Police Department’s Special Victims Unit, which investigates sexual battery and other serious crimes.

Today, a Miami police spokesman said he had no update on the investigation.

*******************************************************

Charges are “not likely” to be filed today against 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith after he allegedly made a false bomb threat at Los International Airport, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office said. It’s possible, of course, that charges will be filed later this week.

Smith is already scheduled to appear in Santa Clara Superior Court on April 29 regarding a DUI arrest and three felony weapons charges stemming from last year.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/04/14/report-lockette-called-911-after-woman-refused-to-leave-apartment/
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 15, 2014, 12:07:23 PM
A few hours in a meeting will not compensate for a failure to provide a kid with proper training during his formative years.  It's too late already. 

My pie in the sky solution is to make a college degree a prerequisite to playing major professional sports.  Will never happen, but it would prevent a lot of this stuff IMO.  Look at the knuckleheads in professional sports.  How many of them have college degrees?  I've never looked at the percentages, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of professional athletes who actually finished school rarely show up on the police blotter.   

LOL.....Earning millions of dollars will always trump an education. I do agree with your opinion of athletes with degrees not getting in trouble with the law.

An interesting parallel is the NBA. Charles Barkley's opinion is that college basketball players should stay at least 3 years, if not try to attain their degree. No more high school players jumping straight to the pro level or no more one and done college players. He thinks the quality of the NBA games would be much better because the rookies coming in would have a much more defined skill set to their game and would be more physically mature. I agree with this.

Unfortunately, this will never happen either. The only NBA player with a four year degree that I can think of that is a true superstar(or at least used to be) is Tim Duncan. He's 38 years old and a 17 year veteran. What does that tell you? lol
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 15, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
LOL.....Earning millions of dollars will always trump an education. I do agree with your opinion of athletes with degrees not getting in trouble with the law.

An interesting parallel is the NBA. Charles Barkley's opinion is that college basketball players should stay at least 3 years, if not try to attain their degree. No more high school players jumping straight to the pro level or no more one and done college players. He thinks the quality of the NBA games would be much better because the rookies coming in would have a much more defined skill set to their game and would be more physically mature. I agree with this.

Unfortunately, this will never happen either. The only NBA player with a four year degree that I can think of that is a true superstar(or at least used to be) is Tim Duncan. He's 38 years old and a 17 year veteran. What does that tell you? lol

There are others in the NBA with degrees, but they are not necessarily superstars:  Grant Hill (recently retired), Derek Fisher, Shane Battier, J.J. Reddick, etc.  What you typically find is the same kind of person.  Unlikely to see those guys at a night club at 3 a.m. with a loaded weapon in their pocket. 

I agree with Barkely too.  They do it in the NFL (must be three years out of high school).  Don't see why they cannot do it in the NBA. 

But I doubt anything changes. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
There are others in the NBA with degrees, but they are not necessarily superstars:  Grant Hill (recently retired), Derek Fisher, Shane Battier, J.J. Reddick, etc.  What you typically find is the same kind of person.  Unlikely to see those guys at a night club at 3 a.m. with a loaded weapon in their pocket. 

I agree with Barkely too.  They do it in the NFL (must be three years out of high school).  Don't see why they cannot do it in the NBA. 

But I doubt anything changes. 

I think that mainly has to do with the physicallity differences between the two sports. A young athlete has to have that physical maturity after age 20 to endure the rigors of pro football. But I think the same argument should be made for pro basketball too which supports Barkley's opinion.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 15, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
I think that mainly has to do with the physicallity differences between the two sports. A young athlete has to have that physical maturity after age 20 to endure the rigors of pro football. But I think the same argument should be made for pro basketball too which supports Barkley's opinion.

I agree.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 07, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
This is a far cry from the initial sexual assault investigation headline. 

Police Release 911 Calls In Kaepernick Case

The Miami Police release 911 tapes related to the investigation of 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

Colin Kaepernick took to Twitter on Wednesday in response to the 911 tapes released in the investigation involving the San Francisco 49ers star quarterback, tweeting that he is "glad the truth is getting out."

A naked woman who referred to herself as "Jesus" is the focus of the two emergency calls placed April 1, according to 911 tapes released Tuesday.

Kaepernick weighed in less than 24 hours later on Twitter.

Police did not identify the men that made the two calls. In the first call, a man who identified himself as hotel security said a woman was in the hotel room and was refusing to leave.

"She said her name was Jesus, and she don't have no clothes on," he told the 911 operator.

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When the 911 operator asked who the woman was visiting, the guard said: "She's visiting this gentleman here."

The second call was made by another male, who requested that police come to the room because, he said, the woman was lying in bed "and she's not leaving" until a friend of his showed up.

"There's a young lady in my friend's bed," the caller says. "She says she's not leaving until she sees him ... No, no, he's not her boyfriend. He's someone she wants to sleep with."

Two days after the 911 calls were placed, an unidentified woman went to Miami police headquarters saying she was partying with Kaepernick, 49ers receiver Quinton Patton and Seattle Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette. She said she passed out and didn't remember anything else until waking up in the hospital.

Police have not called it a criminal investigation, referring to it instead as a "suspicious incident."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10897235/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-tweets-truth-getting-regard-911-tapes
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 07, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
nothing will come of this. Even tho I hate Caepernick, I'm sure his name will be cleared.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 09, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
Beach....


What do you think about the trade of Stevie Johnson coming to the 49ers?


Only cost a 4th rounder but did the 49ers need more WR's?
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 09, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
Beach....


What do you think about the trade of Stevie Johnson coming to the 49ers?


Only cost a 4th rounder but did the 49ers need more WR's?

I don't know anything about this guy.  On paper he has been pretty productive. 

They do need help at WR.  Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year.  There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team. 

I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too.  What they really need is someone who can stretch the field. 

RB LaMichael James is on block.  Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 09, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
I don't know anything about this guy.  On paper he has been pretty productive. 

They do need help at WR.  Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year.  There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team. 

I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too.  What they really need is someone who can stretch the field. 

RB LaMichael James is on block.  Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player. 

Johnson is a good, productive player. I'm curious to see how well he plays with Kaepernick throwing him the ball.   
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 09, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
Johnson is a good, productive player. I'm curious to see how well he plays with Kaepernick throwing him the ball.   

If he's a good player then he should fit in well.  They really have a much better offense when both Crabtree and Boldin are in the lineup.  They will supposedly use more three WR sets with Johnson.  I've never seen him play. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 10, 2014, 01:27:12 PM
If he's a good player then he should fit in well.  They really have a much better offense when both Crabtree and Boldin are in the lineup.  They will supposedly use more three WR sets with Johnson.  I've never seen him play. 

He's the guy who blamed God for a dropped touchdown pass that would ve won the game.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: tbombz on May 14, 2014, 08:27:36 PM
I don't know anything about this guy.  On paper he has been pretty productive. 

They do need help at WR.  Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year.  There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team. 

I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too.  What they really need is someone who can stretch the field. 

RB LaMichael James is on block.  Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player. 

We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.

Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: polychronopolous on May 15, 2014, 07:35:48 AM
We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.

Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.

Rangers just lost 40% of their rotation last night to season ending injuries.

Looks like it'll be your A's slugging it out with the angels for first place.  >:(
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2014, 09:46:04 AM
He's the guy who blamed God for a dropped touchdown pass that would ve won the game.

lol.  Didn't hear that one.

BTW, I think players who do the whole praying thing on field have it all wrong.  They should drop to their knees and pray after they drop a TD pass, loss a fumble, get burned for a TD, throw an INT, etc.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 15, 2014, 09:50:08 AM
We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.

Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.

Patton is a possession receiver.  Not a speed guy.  The kid they just drafted is supposed to be pretty fast.

James is the return guy, but I agree Hunter was better out of the backfield.  Although I'm not sure James got enough touches to really be evaluated.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on June 04, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
Cha-ching.

Kaepernick signs six-year deal
Updated: June 4, 2014
ESPN.com news services

Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers struck a deal Wednesday on a six-year contract extension, which sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter is worth more than $110 million -- including a record $61 million guaranteed.


The deal ties Kaepernick to the 49ers through the 2020 season and puts him among the 10 highest-paid quarterbacks in the NFL. He was scheduled to have made $1.073 million this season.

"Colin's hard work and dedication have played an integral role in the recent success of the 49ers organization," general manager Trent Baalke said in a statement. "His work ethic, leadership and on-field production have positively influenced our team, and we look forward to his continued growth in all areas."

Since taking over the starting job from Alex Smith midway through the 2011 season, Kaepernick led the 49ers to their first Super Bowl in 18 years after the 2012 season -- losing by three points to Baltimore -- and then to the NFC title game again last season, a three-point defeat to eventual Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks.


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Colin Kaepernick, who is 21-8 as the starting QB for the San Francisco 49ers, will receive a record $61 million in guaranteed money as part of his new six-year deal.
The extension is expected to have strong implications on potential deals for Cam Newton, Andy Dalton and Alex Smith this year, along with those for Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson next year, when they are eligible to sign their first contract extensions.

A second-round draft pick out of Nevada in 2011, Kaepernick has thrived under former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh -- and the coach has said how much he wants the mobile, strong-armed QB around for the long haul. Accomplishing an extension before the season is a big deal as the team begins its first year in $1.2 billion Levi's Stadium at team headquarters.

"I really expect a real breakout year for Colin. Athletically, he looks bionic," Harbaugh said during the organized team activity last week. "If you all remember the Six Million Dollar Man, that's what it looks like to me. He's very gifted and he always has been. He has the look and feel of a guy who's really going to break out, even more so than he already has. I'm really excited about everything about his game right now."

In a sensational playoff debut in January 2013 against Green Bay, Kaepernick used his speed to run for a quarterback-playoff-record 181 yards and two touchdowns. Then, in a season-opening win against the Packers last September, he threw for a career-best 412 yards and three scores.

Harbaugh remained optimistic of getting a new deal done, while Kaepernick said his only focus was on football and he was leaving it to his agents to do the rest. The quarterback had said he sought a "fair" deal.

He is regularly the first to arrive at work each morning and the last one off the field.

Kaepernick has completed 382 of 639 passes for 5,046 yards and 31 touchdowns. He also has started all six postseason games in which he has appeared, earning four wins and passing for 1,374 yards and seven touchdowns.

He said last week he hopes a Miami investigation from April that names him will soon be over.

Last month, Miami police released two calls to a 911 dispatcher saying a woman identifying herself as Jesus was lying naked in a bed and refusing to leave. The callers said the woman wanted to spend time with a third man who wasn't there.

Police say the other players involved in the case are 49ers wide receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette. None of them has been charged with any wrongdoing.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11032829/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-agrees-six-year-deal-worth-more-110-million
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2016, 03:07:26 PM
Not sure exactly how I feel about this.

Chip Kelly hired as 49ers coach
Paul Gutierrez
ESPN Staff Writer

The San Francisco 49ers have hired Chip Kelly to be the 10th head coach in franchise history, 11 days after firing Jim Tomsula following a 5-11, one-and-done season.

Kelly, 52, interviewed with the 49ers last week. He was fired in his third season as coach of the Philadelphia Eagles with one week to go in the season and the Eagles languishing at 6-9.

"As one of the most historic franchises in the National Football League, I realize the high standards and expectations that this position demands and I embrace the challenges ahead," Kelly said in a statement. "My immediate focus is to build the best coaching staff possible, one that will maximize the abilities of each of our players and put us in the best position to win football games."

49ers CEO Jed York tweeted that he and general manager Trent Baalke selected Kelly, who will be introduced in a news conference next week, "after a thorough search."

Wide receiver Torrey Smith also tweeted about the hiring Thursday.

Kelly fits the criteria set forth by York and Baalke as a veteran coach with a big name and a clear vision -- a quick-strike offensive philosophy. It should be interesting to see how Kelly, who wanted a big say in personnel control in Philadelphia, interacts with Baalke, who, despite saying there is no iron fist in the organization, has a reputation as a personnel hard-liner.

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Chip Kelly hiring puts pressure on Jeff Lurie, Eagles

With Chip Kelly off to San Francisco, the Eagles owner knows it's his move -- and it better be good.

"Chip possesses all the qualities we were looking for in our next head coach," Baalke said in a statement. "He has demonstrated the ability to be innovative everywhere he has coached and has had great success throughout his career. Chip's passion for the game and vision for the future of this team clearly stood out to us during the search process. He is an extremely driven individual that I look forward to working with."

Kelly, who went to Philadelphia after four seasons as coach at Oregon, had consecutive 10-6 seasons with the Eagles before this season's flameout that began with controversy over his handling of the roster.

He is just the second 49ers head coach since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger who has had previous NFL head-coaching experience (not counting Tomsula, who was an interim coach for one game before his hire). The other was Dennis Erickson, who went 9-23 in 2003 and 2004.

Kelly already has a connection with Niners senior personnel executive Tom Gamble, who had been with Kelly in Philadelphia.

Kelly was the first coach in Eagles history (and second in NFL history) to win a division title in his first season -- Philadelphia lost a wild-card round game to the New Orleans Saints -- and his 26 wins are tied with Ray Rhodes for third most by an Eagles coach in his first three seasons.

Speed meets speed

Chip Kelly's Eagles team averaged a play every 22.7 seconds in 2015, the fastest rate in the league by more than three seconds. But the 49ers were quick off the ball too, ranking fifth in time per play.

Shortest average time of possession per play - 2015


Team

Time*


Eagles 22.7
Giants 26.0
Texans 26.2
Jaguars 26.4
49ers 26.5

* In seconds
-- ESPN Stats & Information

The Eagles averaged a play once every 23.1 seconds of possession under Kelly, three seconds faster than any other team, per ESPN Stats & Information.

Philadelphia owes Kelly about $13 million over the next two years, but that total will be offset by the deal Kelly signs with San Francisco, a league source told ESPN's Darren Rovell.

Being an offensive-minded coach, Kelly fits the same bill as the seven candidates the Niners interviewed after they finished 31st in the league in total offense and last in scoring: Buffalo Bills assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn, Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo, Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, former New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin and former Denver Broncos and Washington coach Mike Shanahan.

"Chip has a proven track record at both the college and NFL levels that speaks for itself," York said in a statement. "We believe strongly that he is the right man to get this team back to competing for championships. I look forward to watching Trent and Chip work closely to build a team that will make us all proud."

The 49ers had narrowed their finalists to Kelly and Shanahan earlier Thursday, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Kelly's hiring also brings to mind the future of quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who is recovering from three surgeries -- left shoulder, right thumb and left knee -- and was thought to be done in Santa Clara but whose skill set fits Kelly's offense.

Kaepernick's $11.9 million salary for 2016 becomes fully guaranteed for injury come April 1, and there had been belief the team might try to trade or release him.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14569856/san-francisco-49ers-hire-chip-kelly-next-coach
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on February 09, 2016, 12:15:15 PM
Heath Evans ripped the move.

- Disciplined defenses dominated Chips offenses

- Chips defensive and offensive players get very tired at the end of the game

- Chip in 3 seasons averaged 30th or something in red zone scoring
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 10, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
Heath Evans ripped the move.

- Disciplined defenses dominated Chips offenses

- Chips defensive and offensive players get very tired at the end of the game

- Chip in 3 seasons averaged 30th or something in red zone scoring

Not good. Although he did win with some pretty average talent.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: CalvinH on February 11, 2016, 01:25:43 PM
Not good. Although he did win with some pretty average talent.

And got rid of all the good talent.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2016, 09:30:56 AM
And got rid of all the good talent.

True.  He should not be in charge of personnel decisions. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on September 27, 2016, 01:47:05 PM
They stink.  Again. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2016, 02:00:54 PM
Well least my Niners didn't lose yesterday. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 02, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
Can we fire Jed York??   >:(

49ers announce firings of coach Chip Kelly, GM Trent Baalke
Nick Wagoner
ESPN Staff Writer

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers made it official Sunday night that coach Chip Kelly has been relieved of his duties -- in addition to general manager Trent Baalke losing his job with the team.

Baalke had confirmed to a local radio station Sunday morning that he had been fired Friday, while Kelly said after the 49ers' loss in their season finale Sunday that he expected to meet with CEO Jed York to have a conversation about his future with the team.

"I have informed Trent and Chip of my decision to pursue new leadership for our football team," York said in a statement a short time later. "These types of conversations are never easy, especially when they involve people you respect personally and professionally.

"Despite my feelings for Trent and Chip, I felt the decision to change our football leadership was absolutely necessary. The performance of this team has not lived up to my expectations or those of our fans, and that is truly disappointing. We all expected to see this team progress and develop as the season went on, but unfortunately that did not happen. That is why now is the time to find a new direction for this team."

Kelly had three years remaining on his contract (the Eagles also still owe him a small portion); Baalke had two.

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Kelly said before the team's announcement that he would not be taken aback if he were let go after just one season.

"I don't think anything surprises me," Kelly said. "I live my life in vision, not circumstances, so I control what I can control, and what we can control is how we coach our players and the way we deal with them. If that's good enough, then that's good enough. If it's not good enough, then so be it. I'm proud of the way our guys played today."

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Saturday night that the Niners were expected to dismiss Baalke and Kelly.

Soon after that report came out, Kelly said he received a call and a voicemail from York, and when he returned the call, he and York had what Kelly described as a "normal" conversation.

Despite his uncertain future, Kelly said it wasn't hard for him to coach the season's final game, a 25-23 loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

"It wasn't," he said. "I love these players, so I think if I was distracted by anything else, I wouldn't be giving them what they deserve, and they give me everything on every day, so I have to give that back to them. Those guys are awesome.

"We have a bunch of guys who just competed and gave everything they had. One thing we talk about here all the time is don't complain. We're all privileged to play this game and coach this game, so every time you have an opportunity to do it, go out and do it."

Kelly said he didn't have any players asking him about his status before the game but acknowledged there were "a lot of hugs" in the locker room after it was over.

Kelly also said he didn't feel nervous about the meeting with York and that he didn't anticipate trying to plead a case to stay.

"I don't think I'm going to 'The People's Court,'" Kelly said. "He wants to have a conversation, so I'll have a conversation with him.

"I just think it's an end-of-the-year meeting, and we'll go discuss everything positive and negative about what went on this season and see what happened."

In the locker room, multiple players spoke out on Kelly's behalf while also noting that they understand the business side of the operation and the need for the 49ers to improve.

"He's a good dude," receiver Torrey Smith said. "I understand the business side of it. I think he's a good coach. I think he's a better person. But that's how this business goes. They let good people [go] in tough spots. When we lose like we did and have a season like we had, changes are made or can be made. From coaches to players, it's all of us, and we were all a part of the problem. That's why our record was what it was."

This is the second consecutive season the 49ers have fired their coach after just one year, having fired Jim Tomsula after the 2015 campaign. It's the second time since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger that a team has replaced back-to-back coaches after only one full season each, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, with San Francisco also having done so in 1976 and '77.

Earlier Sunday, Baalke told the radio station that his firing "was the right thing to do."


"You know, I've been here since 2005, and I have a lot of respect for the organization as a whole, and the ownership, the fan base. It's difficult, but it's the right thing to do," Baalke told KNBR Radio.

Asked whether the organization needed sweeping changes, Baalke told KNBR: "Sometimes you need to reset the culture. When you have a winning culture, which we did in 2011, '12, '13 and '14, a lot of good football players. A lot of memorable games we went through together.

"Then you transition. At some point, those veteran guys move on. Blending in with younger guys, and sometimes it takes a little longer than you'd like. And this is probably one of those situations."

Baalke said the firing did not surprise him.

"We've done some awful good things," he said. "Some very successful seasons. Unfortunately regret we weren't able to bring a championship to the Bay Area, which they so deserve. I think The Faithful has been great. Wish this organization nothing but the best moving forward. I do see a bright future for them."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18389711/san-francisco-49ers-announce-firings-gm-trent-baalke-coach-chip-kelly
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 28, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
Thank you Bill Belicheat and the Pats for Jimmy G.  Bring on 2018.  All the Niners need to do now is draft that Barkley kid from Penn State. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: CalvinH on December 29, 2017, 05:22:48 AM
Thank you Bill Belicheat and the Pats for Jimmy G.  Bring on 2018.  All the Niners need to do now is draft that Barkley kid from Penn State. 


If he's there when they pick.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 09:29:35 AM

If he's there when they pick.

Now that they have the 9th or 10th pick, I seriously doubt he will be there, particularly if he nails his combine and pro day workouts.  Bummer. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 05, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: CalvinH on February 06, 2018, 06:08:51 AM
Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl. 

In any of his 8 Super Bowl games?
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 06, 2018, 01:56:35 PM
In any of his 8 Super Bowl games?

Nah just the four he won.  Without a loss (or three).  Or a pick.  Or a fumble.  Or being the beneficiary of boneheaded coaching calls.  Or cheating.  Or help from the refs. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: CalvinH on February 07, 2018, 07:10:11 AM
Nah just the four he won.  Without a loss (or three).  Or a pick.  Or a fumble.  Or being the beneficiary of boneheaded coaching calls.  Or cheating.  Or help from the refs. 


Montana took some hellacious hits when playing the Giants.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 07, 2018, 11:21:39 AM

Montana took some hellacious hits when playing the Giants.

Maybe so, although he won more than he lost against the Giants. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: CalvinH on February 08, 2018, 06:06:21 AM
Maybe so, although he won more than he lost against the Giants. 


As I Giants fan I can't recall that ;D
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 08, 2018, 10:54:37 AM

As I Giants fan I can't recall that ;D

8-4.  But I can relate.  As a Niner fan I can't recall them ever losing to the Cowboys.  My Cowboy hatred is so extreme that I refused to draft their players when I was playing fantasy football, before I retired as a five time champion.   :D
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on September 25, 2018, 08:02:08 PM
Another year, another snake bitten team.   :-\
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 01, 2019, 10:35:32 AM
Sucked and missed out on the first overall pick, again.  Misery. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 01, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl. 

he also was benched in a playoff game for poor play

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2019, 04:52:57 PM
he also was benched in a playoff game for poor play

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Wow.  He probably farted once in the huddle too. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 05, 2019, 11:42:31 AM
Wow.  He probably farted once in the huddle too. 

you gotta admit being benched in a playoff game is really bad, far worse than throwing an int in the super bowl especially when you played in 8 of them

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 09, 2019, 03:18:42 PM
you gotta admit being benched in a playoff game is really bad, far worse than throwing an int in the super bowl especially when you played in 8 of them

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Seriously?  lol  Being benched in a playoff game is bad.  But that was the only time in his career he was benched.  And he won two Super Bowls after being benched, without throwing an INT.  GOAT.   :)

Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 10, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
Seriously?  lol  Being benched in a playoff game is bad.  But that was the only time in his career he was benched.  And he won two Super Bowls after being benched, without throwing an INT.  GOAT.   :)



brady won 5 and probably should've won 8

that is much better than winning 4, only playing in 4, and getting benched in a playoff game

btw montana went to my high school, but montana fans are ridiculous much like jordan fans acting like they never had a bad game

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2019, 05:15:52 PM
brady won 5 and probably should've won 8

that is much better than winning 4, only playing in 4, and getting benched in a playoff game

btw montana went to my high school, but montana fans are ridiculous much like jordan fans acting like they never had a bad game

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Meh.  I think going 4-4 and never throwing an INT (much less a pick six) in the Super Bowl is more impressive than losing multiple Super Bowls. 

Montana fans are no different than Jordan, LeBron [insert player] fans.  People are often prisoners of their generation and of the moment. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2019, 03:42:27 PM
Meh.  I think going 4-4 and never throwing an INT (much less a pick six) in the Super Bowl is more impressive than losing multiple Super Bowls. 

Montana fans are no different than Jordan, LeBron [insert player] fans.  People are often prisoners of their generation and of the moment. 

why is that more impressive, losing in the divisional round?  not being good enough to make it to the super bowl not to mention being benched, that makes no sense

the montana/brady argument has been dead for years, it's not a legit debate anymore unless you are stubborn and can't admit to being wrong

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 06:17:09 PM
why is that more impressive, losing in the divisional round?  not being good enough to make it to the super bowl not to mention being benched, that makes no sense

the montana/brady argument has been dead for years, it's not a legit debate anymore unless you are stubborn and can't admit to being wrong

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You're asking why winning Super Bowls, not throwing an INT in those Super Bowl wins, and being named Super Bowl MVP is more impressive than losing a playoff game where he was benched?  

No, the argument isn't dead.  There is no uniform opinion on who the GOAT is at any position.  There is always room for debate, unless you are stubborn and refuse to consider opposing viewpoints.  That's why, for example, even though I consider Barry Sanders the greatest RB in NFL history, I don't really argue with people who say it was actually Jim Brown, etc.    
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2019, 08:01:56 PM
You're asking why winning Super Bowls, not throwing an INT in those Super Bowl wins, and being named Super Bowl MVP is more impressive than losing a playoff game where he was benched?  

No, the argument isn't dead.  There is no uniform opinion on who the GOAT is at any position.  There is always room for debate, unless you are stubborn and refuse to consider opposing viewpoints.  That's why, for example, even though I consider Barry Sanders the greatest RB in NFL history, I don't really argue with people who say it was actually Jim Brown, etc.    

no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??

5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive

yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??

5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive

yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too

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Winning 4 Super Bowls, being the best player on the field in pretty much every one, playing much tougher competition to get there (e.g., having to go through the Cowboys, etc.), never throwing an INT is more impressive to me than winning 5 and losing 3, needing luck to win one, cheating to get there at least once, etc. 

Your position is absurd.  It's not factual.  Like I said, there is no uniform viewpoint about the GOAT at any position in football.  There are reasonable arguments both for and against Montana, Brady, Brees, Manning, Bradshaw, etc. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 12, 2019, 12:20:12 PM
Winning 4 Super Bowls, being the best player on the field in pretty much every one, playing much tougher competition to get there (e.g., having to go through the Cowboys, etc.), never throwing an INT is more impressive to me than winning 5 and losing 3, needing luck to win one, cheating to get there at least once, etc. 

Your position is absurd.  It's not factual.  Like I said, there is no uniform viewpoint about the GOAT at any position in football.  There are reasonable arguments both for and against Montana, Brady, Brees, Manning, Bradshaw, etc. 

who was the better player than brady in the 5 super bowls they won? he has the record 4 super bowl mvps again topping montana

montana had an all star team, brady has won with completely different generations while the 49ers still won when montana left for the chiefs

LOL at thinking 4 super bowls is better than 5 all because he didn't throw an int i bet montana would be fine with throwing a pick for another ring HAHAHA you are insane

brady has 5 rings, montana has 4, brady has 8 conference titles, montana has 4, brady has far superior numbers with less hall of fame teammates and more mvp's

yes brady cheated, and jerry rice admitted to using stickum on his hands

this is all factual, sorry the facts don't support your insanity

but... but... he never threw an int dammit ::)

benched in a divisional round game 8)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 12, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??

5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive

yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too

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In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost.   Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.

Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady.  But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer.  Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 12, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost.   Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.

Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady.  But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer.  Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.


there were gaffes on both sides in all of his super bowls, but you can't argue he played bad in any of them

yes his division was weak, but it's not like he has a losing record against other divisions

no legit argument for montana over brady, none

saw the stat that he has a record 28 playoff victories, with montana in 2nd place with 16

but as usual people romanticize the past and conveniently forget the bad parts of their career like being benched in a playoff game

the bad part of brady's career was losing in the super bowl on last minute miracle plays, what a bum ::)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 14, 2019, 09:27:20 AM
there were gaffes on both sides in all of his super bowls, but you can't argue he played bad in any of them

yes his division was weak, but it's not like he has a losing record against other divisions

no legit argument for montana over brady, none

saw the stat that he has a record 28 playoff victories, with montana in 2nd place with 16

but as usual people romanticize the past and conveniently forget the bad parts of their career like being benched in a playoff game

the bad part of brady's career was losing in the super bowl on last minute miracle plays, what a bum ::)

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Brady has had the benefit of rule changes that have benefitted scoring, a weak division every year, as well as a cloud of legitimate cheating over his head for the early dynasty years.

So, it's not cut and dry at all.

And that's not even a knock on Brady.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost.   Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.

Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady.  But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer.  Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.


Yes. 

And don't forget Brady threw a pick six against Atlanta, only to have Atlanta hand NE the game. 

But thank you for bringing reasonableness to this thread.  :)
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 14, 2019, 07:25:27 PM
Brady has had the benefit of rule changes that have benefitted scoring, a weak division every year, as well as a cloud of legitimate cheating over his head for the early dynasty years.

So, it's not cut and dry at all.

And that's not even a knock on Brady.

ok so how many more super bowls, conference titles, super bowl and conference title appearances, playoff wins, and overall numbers does he need for it to be more cut and dry?

he's already beating him by miles in all of those categories so how many more before you can admit it?

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 14, 2019, 07:27:16 PM
Yes. 

And don't forget Brady threw a pick six against Atlanta, only to have Atlanta hand NE the game. 

But thank you for bringing reasonableness to this thread.  :)

LOL coming back after that only enhanced his legacy

you and reasonableness are like oil and water ;)

i'm the one being reasonable here, montana is from my hometown and i hate brady and the pats

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 14, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
ok so how many more super bowls, conference titles, super bowl and conference title appearances, playoff wins, and overall numbers does he need for it to be more cut and dry?

he's already beating him by miles in all of those categories so how many more before you can admit it?

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No matter how many he wins, the context I posted earlier still holds.

These guys do this for every team, but refute the major points of this article:

https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2018-new-england-patriots-1828719849
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 15, 2019, 01:07:34 PM
LOL coming back after that only enhanced his legacy

you and reasonableness are like oil and water ;)

i'm the one being reasonable here, montana is from my hometown and i hate brady and the pats

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You're not reasonable at all.  I had discussions like this in high school.  When you get a little older and wiser, you're able to see other points of view.  But not everyone grows like that.  Some remain stuck with a high school mentality.  Like saying everyone agrees about something that clearly is in dispute.   
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 16, 2019, 03:04:10 PM
You're not reasonable at all.  I had discussions like this in high school.  When you get a little older and wiser, you're able to see other points of view.  But not everyone grows like that.  Some remain stuck with a high school mentality.  Like saying everyone agrees about something that clearly is in dispute.   

your whole silly argument revolves around montana never throwing an int in the super bowl

that's a middle school argument, son

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 16, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
your whole silly argument revolves around montana never throwing an int in the super bowl

that's a middle school argument, son

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Nah.  That's part of my argument.  He is also undefeated in the Super Bowl.  He also had MVP performances in every Super Bowl run.  He had to go through some great teams to get to the Super Bowl.  He was also just flat out stellar for almost his entire career, despite not being physically gifted and weighing about 190 pounds soaking wet.  He was also incredibly smart, had great pocket presence, was accurate, and was clutch. 

Despite all of that, I agree there is room for debate about the GOAT.  You don't because you reason like a little kid. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 17, 2019, 05:44:27 PM
Nah.  That's part of my argument.  He is also undefeated in the Super Bowl.  He also had MVP performances in every Super Bowl run.  He had to go through some great teams to get to the Super Bowl.  He was also just flat out stellar for almost his entire career, despite not being physically gifted and weighing about 190 pounds soaking wet.  He was also incredibly smart, had great pocket presence, was accurate, and was clutch. 

Despite all of that, I agree there is room for debate about the GOAT.  You don't because you reason like a little kid. 

and it's a retarded part of your argument, only a kid would reason like that luckily for you an adult is here to educate you

5 super bowls > 4 out of 4 super bowls no matter how many losses, montana was not good enough to get to more than 4 and that is fact the evidence proves it

do you think montana would finally throw a pick if he was good enough to play in 5 super bowls, or 8 like brady?  possibly 9 if they win on sunday?  heck if he threw a pass more than 15 yards downfield instead of that dink and dunk "west coast" offense?

name the times brady didn't have a super bowl mvp performance, he has 4 super bowl mvps a record

brady beat a bunch of shit teams for his super bowls right?  those steelers, colts, seahawks, ravens, rams etc with all those hall of fame players all stink right?

montana had to beat boomer esiason, phil simms, and ken anderson yeah so much tougher competition ::)

oh did i mention he was benched in a playoff game?  and did you see brady is in the title game again for a record 8th straight time?  heck he could get break his own record and get a 6th ring, his playoff numbers are untouchable like wayne gretzky's career numbers

you're a stereotypical old guy stuck in your nostalgia and refuses to admit that some things have gotten better since the "good ol days"

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2019, 06:19:44 PM
and it's a retarded part of your argument, only a kid would reason like that luckily for you an adult is here to educate you

5 super bowls > 4 out of 4 super bowls no matter how many losses, montana was not good enough to get to more than 4 and that is fact the evidence proves it

do you think montana would finally throw a pick if he was good enough to play in 5 super bowls, or 8 like brady?  possibly 9 if they win on sunday?  heck if he threw a pass more than 15 yards downfield instead of that dink and dunk "west coast" offense?

name the times brady didn't have a super bowl mvp performance, he has 4 super bowl mvps a record

brady beat a bunch of shit teams for his super bowls right?  those steelers, colts, seahawks, ravens, rams etc with all those hall of fame players all stink right?

montana had to beat boomer esiason, phil simms, and ken anderson yeah so much tougher competition ::)

oh did i mention he was benched in a playoff game?  and did you see brady is in the title game again for a record 8th straight time?  heck he could get break his own record and get a 6th ring, his playoff numbers are untouchable like wayne gretzky's career numbers

you're a stereotypical old guy stuck in your nostalgia and refuses to admit that some things have gotten better since the "good ol days"

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I'll address some of this stream of consciousness crap.  I have no idea if Montana would have thrown an INT if he played in 8 Super Bowls.  Nobody knows.  What a stupid question. 

When did Brady not have an MVP performance in the Super Bowl?  When he threw a pick six against Atlanta, should have lost, but was gifted the game by horrendous play calling. 

What I said about Montana is he played much tougher competition to GET to the Super Bowl.  Did you miss that part? 

But my work here is done.  You're a close-minded kid.  It's ok.  We still need people like you.   :)

But I will leave you with this:

A reminder Tom Brady has thrown two of the worst interceptions in Super Bowl history
By: Steven Ruiz   | January 26, 2017
 
It’s Throwback Thursday, and since we’ve already covered Tom Brady’s Super Bowl brilliance, we’ll take this opportunity to look back at some of his less-than-brilliant moments on the NFL’s biggest stage.

Brady has thrown four interceptions in six career Super Bowl appearances. Two of them are in the running for the worst in the history of the big game. And, thanks to some late-game heroics, neither pick ended up costing the Patriots the game, but they were still pretty awful. Let’s take a look at them…

The first came in Brady’s second Super Bowl appearance. The Patriots were up five on the Panthers with just under eight minutes remaining in the fourth. It was New England’s ball on the Carolina 9-yard-line and Brady had a chance to to put away the game.

Instead, he panicked under pressure and lofted a ball right into the waiting arms of Panthers CB Reggie Howard, who hauled in the easiest interception of his career.

Three plays later, the Panthers took the lead on an 85-yard pass from Jake Delhomme to Muhsin Muhhamad. Of course, Brady rallied New England and Adam Vinatieri would go on to kick the game-winning field goal to seal the Patriots’ second Super Bowl title, so this pick is largely forgotten.

Brady’s second awful Super Bowl interception came two years ago against the Seahawks. New England had taken its second drive down to the Seattle 10-yard-line, when, once again facing pressure, Brady threw a pass directly to the defense, leaving at least three points on the board.

Luckily, Malcolm Butler’s goal line interception late in the game made those three points irrelevant, and Brady captured his fourth ring. Had Seattle scored, they would have won the game by three points. That interception would have been costly, to say the least.

Brady is undoubtedly one of the best Super Bowl performers in NFL history, but he’s had some pretty terrible moments as well.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-super-bowl-history-interceptions-stats-panthers-seahawks
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 17, 2019, 07:47:56 PM
I'll address some of this stream of consciousness crap.  I have no idea if Montana would have thrown an INT if he played in 8 Super Bowls.  Nobody knows.  What a stupid question.

it's a point not a question, point is we'll never know because he wasn't good enough to get to 5 let alone 8 

When did Brady not have an MVP performance in the Super Bowl?  When he threw a pick six against Atlanta, should have lost, but was gifted the game by horrendous play calling. 

fact he was super bowl mvp, all you have is excuses

What I said about Montana is he played much tougher competition to GET to the Super Bowl.  Did you miss that part? 

he did not, that's the part you missed, players were not bigger faster and stronger in the 80's you moron

But my work here is done.  You're a close-minded kid.  It's ok.  We still need people like you.   :)



But I will leave you with this:

A reminder Tom Brady has thrown two of the worst interceptions in Super Bowl history
By: Steven Ruiz   | January 26, 2017
 
It’s Throwback Thursday, and since we’ve already covered Tom Brady’s Super Bowl brilliance, we’ll take this opportunity to look back at some of his less-than-brilliant moments on the NFL’s biggest stage.

Brady has thrown four interceptions in six career Super Bowl appearances. Two of them are in the running for the worst in the history of the big game. And, thanks to some late-game heroics, neither pick ended up costing the Patriots the game, but they were still pretty awful. Let’s take a look at them…

The first came in Brady’s second Super Bowl appearance. The Patriots were up five on the Panthers with just under eight minutes remaining in the fourth. It was New England’s ball on the Carolina 9-yard-line and Brady had a chance to to put away the game.

Instead, he panicked under pressure and lofted a ball right into the waiting arms of Panthers CB Reggie Howard, who hauled in the easiest interception of his career.

Three plays later, the Panthers took the lead on an 85-yard pass from Jake Delhomme to Muhsin Muhhamad. Of course, Brady rallied New England and Adam Vinatieri would go on to kick the game-winning field goal to seal the Patriots’ second Super Bowl title, so this pick is largely forgotten.

Brady’s second awful Super Bowl interception came two years ago against the Seahawks. New England had taken its second drive down to the Seattle 10-yard-line, when, once again facing pressure, Brady threw a pass directly to the defense, leaving at least three points on the board.

Luckily, Malcolm Butler’s goal line interception late in the game made those three points irrelevant, and Brady captured his fourth ring. Had Seattle scored, they would have won the game by three points. That interception would have been costly, to say the least.

Brady is undoubtedly one of the best Super Bowl performers in NFL history, but he’s had some pretty terrible moments as well.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-super-bowl-history-interceptions-stats-panthers-seahawks

who the fuck cares other than morons like you about his "terrible moments" especially when he won those games and was GREAT enough overall to be mvp, jesus christ you might be the dumbest troll i've ever argued with on the sports forum, only topped by that filipino 49ers fan that hasn't posted here since the 49ers lost to the ravens ending his stupid "we're undefeated in super bowls" bragging rights BS, are you the same guy?

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 17, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
joe flacco won a super bowl and didn't throw an int, 1 for 1 in super bowls

peyton manning threw a couple and went 2 for 4 in super bowls

flacco > manning

right??

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2019, 11:11:48 PM
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I'm not reading or responding to that imbededd crap.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
joe flacco won a super bowl and didn't throw an int, 1 for 1 in super bowls

peyton manning threw a couple and went 2 for 4 in super bowls

flacco > manning

right??

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What kind of stupid question is that?  You trying to corner the market on stupid questions on this board? 

Just stop already.  What you know about football can fit in a thimble.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 21, 2019, 08:04:39 PM
I'm not reading or responding to that imbededd crap.

i think you mean "embedded"

you won't respond because you know you are owned

hey did you see brady is going back to the super bowl for a 9th time, more than double montana

trust me i hate the pats, but it is what it is ;)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 22, 2019, 11:18:43 AM
i think you mean "embedded"

you won't respond because you know you are owned

hey did you see brady is going back to the super bowl for a 9th time, more than double montana

trust me i hate the pats, but it is what it is ;)

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I don't care about grammar on a message board. 

I'm not responding because I didn't read it.  I don't have the patience for it.  I have internet ADD.  If you want to post it correctly I'll read it. 

Yes I see Brady going back to the Super Bowl.  The 9th time is impressive.  I could care less if it's double Montana or anyone else. 

I hate the Pats and I'm not a Brady fan, but I think there is an argument for him as GOAT.  As well as Montana, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre, Manning, etc.  That's what informed, open-minded people do.   
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 24, 2019, 02:32:32 PM
I don't care about grammar on a message board. 

I'm not responding because I didn't read it.  I don't have the patience for it.  I have internet ADD.  If you want to post it correctly I'll read it. 

Yes I see Brady going back to the Super Bowl.  The 9th time is impressive.  I could care less if it's double Montana or anyone else. 

I hate the Pats and I'm not a Brady fan, but I think there is an argument for him as GOAT.  As well as Montana, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre, Manning, etc.  That's what informed, open-minded people do.   

i hate brady and the pats too, but it is what it is

brees, bradshaw, and favre are not even close to being in the goat conversation

it's brady by a long shot... then montana, manning

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
i hate brady and the pats too, but it is what it is

brees, bradshaw, and favre are not even close to being in the goat conversation

it's brady by a long shot... then montana, manning

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Yes, they are all in the conversation.  Brees in particular has a case, particularly given his size.  What he has accomplished is as impressive as any QB in NFL history.

I've having this same conversation with two other people.  One says Brady, one says Montana.  I say there is a case to be made for everyone I mentioned.  And no one is calling each other stupid, etc. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 24, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
Yes, they are all in the conversation.  Brees in particular has a case, particularly given his size.  What he has accomplished is as impressive as any QB in NFL history.

I've having this same conversation with two other people.  One says Brady, one says Montana.  I say there is a case to be made for everyone I mentioned.  And no one is calling each other stupid, etc. 

brees is arguably the best qb of all time?  because he's short?

ok... ???
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
brees is arguably the best qb of all time?  because he's short?

ok... ???

Dude you love to cherry pick.  lol  Yeah, and that makes Doug Flutie the GOAT too. 

I said what he has accomplished (i.e., what he did on the field) is particularly impressive given his size, not that he is arguably the GOAT because of his size.  So no, just because someone is short doesn't make them great.  He's just at a disadvantage.  In spite of that, he produced more than almost every QB in NFL history and he won a Super Bowl.

You also have to use the eyeball test (if you watch the game).  He has been stellar for pretty much his entire career.  In his case, he has the numbers to back up his outstanding play.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 24, 2019, 06:23:31 PM
Dude you love to cherry pick.  lol  Yeah, and that makes Doug Flutie the GOAT too. 

I said what he has accomplished (i.e., what he did on the field) is particularly impressive given his size, not that he is arguably the GOAT because of his size.  So no, just because someone is short doesn't make them great.  He's just at a disadvantage.  In spite of that, he produced more than almost every QB in NFL history and he won a Super Bowl.

You also have to use the eyeball test (if you watch the game).  He has been stellar for pretty much his entire career.  In his case, he has the numbers to back up his outstanding play.

you argue montana because he never threw an int in the super bowl, and then you argue brees with one super bowl and several years missing playoffs altogether???

and yeah he has numbers, guy has been throwing at least 50 times a game for 10 years or so

i thought he was slightly overrated before, a hall of famer but not an all timer,  you take it to a whole other level

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
you argue montana because he never threw an int in the super bowl, and then you argue brees with one super bowl and several years missing playoffs altogether???

and yeah he has numbers, guy has been throwing at least 50 times a game for 10 years or so

i thought he was slightly overrated before, a hall of famer but not an all timer,  you take it to a whole other level

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No I did not say Montana was the GOAT because he never threw an INT in his four Super Bowl wins.  I mentioned that is a part of his awesome legacy.  Go back and read the other factors I listed. 

Brees averaged 37.1 passes a game for his career, not 50.  And simply throwing a lot of passes doesn't make a QB arguably the GOAT.  Otherwise we'd be talking about Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.  Or even Warren Moon.     

Brees overrated??  Please.  He has been underrated for most of his career.  His numbers are staggering.  He his accurate.  His pocket awareness is terrific.  He sees the field as well as any QB I've ever seen.  He has thrown for more yards than any QB in NFL history and is second all time in TDs.  And he wins. 

Do I think Brees is the GOAT?  No, but I think you can make a reasonable argument for him.  If you're openminded and follow the game.     
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 25, 2019, 03:59:38 PM
No I did not say Montana was the GOAT because he never threw an INT in his four Super Bowl wins.  I mentioned that is a part of his awesome legacy.  Go back and read the other factors I listed. 

Brees averaged 37.1 passes a game for his career, not 50.  And simply throwing a lot of passes doesn't make a QB arguably the GOAT.  Otherwise we'd be talking about Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.  Or even Warren Moon.     

Brees overrated??  Please.  He has been underrated for most of his career.  His numbers are staggering.  He his accurate.  His pocket awareness is terrific.  He sees the field as well as any QB I've ever seen.  He has thrown for more yards than any QB in NFL history and is second all time in TDs.  And he wins. 

Do I think Brees is the GOAT?  No, but I think you can make a reasonable argument for him.  If you're openminded and follow the game.     

i think marino is better than brees, he had huge numbers in an era where the league didn't protect the qb and receivers, 48 touchdowns back in 84 would be like 63 touchdowns today

brees wins?  one year he won, many years he missed the playoffs entirely and that super bowl was 9 years ago, what have the saints done since then other then bitch about a bad call when the only reason they had home field to begin with was horrendous pass interference calls against the steelers

he is not in the argument for GOAT, he's top 15 all time at best, 4th best of his era behind brady, peyton, and rodgers

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on March 21, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
The Brady vs. Montana debate is like the Jordan vs. LeBron debate


My take:

When choosing a franchise QB that I want to build a team around for 10-15 years:  Brady
When choosing a QB for a single season or a single game (including Super Bowl):  Montana

Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on March 21, 2019, 07:22:53 PM
guy just won a 6th super bowl, which by himself is more than all but one team

and you guys still think this is a debate ::)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on March 22, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
guy just won a 6th super bowl, which by himself is more than all but one team

and you guys still think this is a debate ::)

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If it was the same rules in both eras....
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 22, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
If it was the same rules in both eras....
No, not even close.  QB's can't be touched now plus the hits on defenseless receivers, cut in practice times for game prep, etc.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on March 22, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
If it was the same rules in both eras....

pats have 6 super bowls since 2001 season

nobody else even has 3 in that time span

stop blaming the rules or any other excuse you can think of

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 23, 2019, 03:59:58 AM
pats have 6 super bowls since 2001 season

nobody else even has 3 in that time span

stop blaming the rules or any other excuse you can think of

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The Pats have done something as an organization that no other NFL organization has ever done but they have had the same QB for almost 20 years.  The NFL rule changes have definitely extended Brady's career.  Bradshaw, Aikman, Young, Montana, Unitas, Namath, etc, etc, would have played a lot longer as well if you couldn't hit them hard when they played.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on March 23, 2019, 01:46:34 PM
The Pats have done something as an organization that no other NFL organization has ever done but they have had the same QB for almost 20 years.  The NFL rule changes have definitely extended Brady's career.  Bradshaw, Aikman, Young, Montana, Unitas, Namath, etc, etc, would have played a lot longer as well if you couldn't hit them hard when they played.

so what makes you think they would have 6 rings?   

they also didn't take care of their body and overall health as well as brady, and probably didn't have his passion for the game either

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 23, 2019, 02:11:39 PM
so what makes you think they would have 6 rings?   

they also didn't take care of their body and overall health as well as brady, and probably didn't have his passion for the game either

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They have 6 rings because they are the best organization in the NFL right now.  They have the best coach, coaching staff and an owner willing to let Belichick do what he wants with the roster.  When Brady got her a decade ago they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell but lost early in the playoffs.

All that being said there is simply no way Brady would have played this long in an earlier era.  Look at some of the hits those other guys I listed took to the head in their careers that Brady has never taken because of the rule changes.  The NFL even changed the rules after Brady blew his knee out to not allow defensive players to hit a QB in his knees as well.  So now you can't hit the QB high or low.  Brady rarely gets hit now so it has extended his career for years which we won't know how many until he retires.  Drew Brees and Aaron Rogers will also probably play well into their 40's as well as many other QB's in the future.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on March 23, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
why why do brees and rodgers only have 1 ring each?  they play under the same rules as brady

brady rarely gets hit because he plays smart, unlike ben and rodgers trying to make a play even when no play is there to be made

he had 3 rings before the favorable rule changes with a far less impressive roster than any montana, bradshaw, and aikman

best coaching staff?  are they the only team to ever have a great coaching staff?  what have those coaches won without brady?   all of those coaches that became head coaches elsewhere failed miserably

montana, aikman, and bradshaw had the same roster for their run, brady has won with a completely different team and with far less hall of fame teammates

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 23, 2019, 03:19:04 PM
why why do brees and rodgers only have 1 ring each?  they play under the same rules as brady

brady rarely gets hit because he plays smart, unlike ben and rodgers trying to make a play even when no play is there to be made

he had 3 rings before the favorable rule changes with a far less impressive roster than any montana, bradshaw, and aikman

best coaching staff?  are they the only team to ever have a great coaching staff?  what have those coaches won without brady?   all of those coaches that became head coaches elsewhere failed miserably

montana, aikman, and bradshaw had the same roster for their run, brady has won with a completely different team and with far less hall of fame teammates

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Why do you think I am shitting on Brady?  Are you really Gisele defending your husband?  No shit Brady is awesome AND he plays for the best coach AND the best organization AND rule changes have allowed him to play at a high level for a much longer time.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on March 23, 2019, 08:46:18 PM
Why do you think I am shitting on Brady?  Are you really Gisele defending your husband?  No shit Brady is awesome AND he plays for the best coach AND the best organization AND rule changes have allowed him to play at a high level for a much longer time.

why do you think i am upset about you being wrong about brady?

that's one thing i never understood about getbig, you type more than one line it's a "meltdown"

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 24, 2019, 03:21:44 AM
why do you think i am upset about you being wrong about brady?

that's one thing i never understood about getbig, you type more than one line it's a "meltdown"

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Nothing I said was wrong about Brady.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 02, 2019, 02:36:12 PM
Thank you Arizona.   :)  Good draft.  We are looking good on paper.  Wish they would sign Eric Berry.     
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 03, 2019, 03:45:20 AM
Thank you Arizona.   :)  Good draft.  We are looking good on paper.  Wish they would sign Eric Berry.     
You're joking, right?  Arizona has set themselves up to be at the bottom of their division for the next 5 years at least.  You must be a Rams, 49'ers or Seahawks fan.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 03, 2019, 09:32:25 AM
You're joking, right?  Arizona has set themselves up to be at the bottom of their division for the next 5 years at least.  You must be a Rams, 49'ers or Seahawks fan.

I'm a Niner fan.  I love the fact Arizona drafted Murray and that Bosa fell to the Niners at no. 2. 

Regarding Murray, I never watched him play.  Just highlights.  He looks like a terrific player. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 03, 2019, 02:40:19 PM
I'm a Niner fan.  I love the fact Arizona drafted Murray and that Bosa fell to the Niners at no. 2. 

Regarding Murray, I never watched him play.  Just highlights.  He looks like a terrific player. 
Yes, Arizona should have taken Bosa OR even better, traded out of the number 1 pick and gotten multiple picks as this team is not going to be saved by one guy.  Add the fact that they hired a college coach who was run out of his alma mater at Texas Tech where he couldn't even win with Patrick Mahomes at QB.  There is a reason why some organizations are always at the bottom.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 03, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
Yes, Arizona should have taken Bosa OR even better, traded out of the number 1 pick and gotten multiple picks as this team is not going to be saved by one guy.  Add the fact that they hired a college coach who was run out of his alma mater at Texas Tech where he couldn't even win with Patrick Mahomes at QB.  There is a reason why some organizations are always at the bottom.

We shall see.  Generally very difficult to evaluate a draft till years later.  Teams miss every single year. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2019, 10:38:31 AM
That defense is legit.  Bosa is a stud.  7-0 without their two starting offensive tackles and without the best FB in football, all of whom should return soon. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on October 28, 2019, 12:28:49 PM
That defense is legit.  Bosa is a stud.  7-0 without their two starting offensive tackles and without the best FB in football, all of whom should return soon. 

Yeah, this squad is dominant and should only get better into the second half of the season. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2019, 10:30:58 AM
Yeah, this squad is dominant and should only get better into the second half of the season. 

About time.  Making the NFL season fun again. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 05, 2019, 09:07:00 AM
The NFL season is finally fun again.   :)

49ers reach midpoint at 8-0 just 2 years after 0-8 start
Josh Dubow, Ap Pro Football Writer Updated November 1, 2019
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-reach-midpoint-at-8-0-just-2-years-after-14802919.php
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on November 05, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
The NFL season is finally fun again.   :)

49ers reach midpoint at 8-0 just 2 years after 0-8 start
Josh Dubow, Ap Pro Football Writer Updated November 1, 2019
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-reach-midpoint-at-8-0-just-2-years-after-14802919.php

Just beat NE.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 05, 2019, 12:44:41 PM
Just beat NE.

I hope someone beats them.  KC, Baltimore, etc.  Wouldn't want to have to play NE and the refs in the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
I hate kickers.   >:(
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
10-1.  With my Lakers winning and the University of Hawaii at least not playing likes, I am finally a happy sports fan again.  It has been a miserable past ten years or so. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
Something special going on in the Bay Area.  Barring additional major injuries, I see them playing the Ravens in the Super Bowl.  Would be a great rematch.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 10, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Something special going on in the Bay Area.  Barring additional major injuries, I see them playing the Ravens in the Super Bowl.  Would be a great rematch.
This team reminds me of '81.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
This team reminds me of '81.

Yeah that was a young team.  Start of a dynasty. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 16, 2019, 06:40:27 PM
Blah
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 17, 2019, 03:03:18 AM
Blah
They had 5 defensive starters out so I wouldn't worry.  If they are healthy for the playoffs they will be a very tough out.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 17, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
They had 5 defensive starters out so I wouldn't worry.  If they are healthy for the playoffs they will be a very tough out.

Yeah you're right. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 24, 2019, 06:19:13 PM
It's about to go down.  I have a date with my TV this Sunday.  It's so nice to be getting ready for the playoffs in December instead of trying to figure out who we will be drafting at the top of the first round. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on December 30, 2019, 01:45:12 PM
It's about to go down.  I have a date with my TV this Sunday.  It's so nice to be getting ready for the playoffs in December instead of trying to figure out who we will be drafting at the top of the first round. 

That was a nail biter...
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on December 30, 2019, 01:58:15 PM
That was a nail biter...

Right?  And the Laker game was on at the same time.  I was exhausted.  lol

Nice to be invested in the playoffs instead of scoping out the NFL draft. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on January 03, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Right?  And the Laker game was on at the same time.  I was exhausted.  lol

Nice to be invested in the playoffs instead of scoping out the NFL draft. 

Yeah, haven't been invested in a few years.  They have built a nice team.  Jimmy G is really turning into a great QB.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 12, 2020, 02:19:40 AM
Again, this team reminds me so much of '81.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 10:10:03 AM
Yeah, haven't been invested in a few years.  They have built a nice team.  Jimmy G is really turning into a great QB.

This might be the year.  It has been twenty-five years. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 14, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
This might be the year.  It has been twenty-five years. 

it's been 50 years for the chiefs

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 01:11:26 PM
it's been 50 years for the chiefs

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And I thought I had it bad.  lol
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 14, 2020, 02:19:45 PM
it's been 50 years for the chiefs

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Chiefs will win it all. Mahomes is on fire and definitely a special player. I would take him over Lamar as my QB all day, every day.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 19, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
9ers FTW this year.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 20, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
Should be a great game. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: OzmO on January 24, 2020, 09:11:30 AM
Should be a great game. 

Yeah, it's like playing a Russell Wilson with more weapons at his disposal.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 24, 2020, 10:19:12 AM
KC all day. Mahommes is too good, even against that 49er defense.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on January 26, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
maybe the madden curse will get mahomes

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2020, 01:31:09 PM
Yeah, it's like playing a Russell Wilson with more weapons at his disposal.

Will definitely be a test.  On the other hand, I don't think KC has faced a defense as good as SF this season.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
KC all day. Mahommes is too good, even against that 49er defense.

I thought the same thing about the Ravens and Jackson against everyone in the AFC.  But that's why they play the game.  Any given Sunday. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 28, 2020, 05:11:49 PM
I thought the same thing about the Ravens and Jackson against everyone in the AFC.  But that's why they play the game.  Any given Sunday. 


Was in Vegas for the conference championships.

Bet KC -7 (didn't like this but HAD to bet since I was watching game) and SF -8 (liked this a ton).

2 wins, + a teaser win.

Going with........SF, since they were my pre playoff pick.

Mahomes IS awesome though.

Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2020, 05:44:46 PM


Was in Vegas for the conference championships.

Bet KC -7 (didn't like this but HAD to bet since I was watching game) and SF -8 (liked this a ton).

2 wins, + a teaser win.

Going with........SF, since they were my pre playoff pick.

Mahomes IS awesome though.



I'll obviously be rooting for my Niners, but I think this is a pick em game.  I have no idea how it will turn out.

I agree Mahomes is awesome.  I'm not sure he holds up for four quarters against the Niner D line.  With Dee Ford healthy, I think the pressure is coming.  He's going to have trouble getting the ball down the field.  But I think he'll still find a way to help them score.   

I also think Shanahan has done a brilliant job game planning/calling plays.  I just hope he doesn't have a brain cramp like he did against NE when he was with Atlanta. 

On a personal note, it would be nice to celebrate on Sunday because that Kobe loss was a real gut punch. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on January 29, 2020, 12:20:35 PM
I'll obviously be rooting for my Niners, but I think this is a pick em game.  I have no idea how it will turn out.

I agree Mahomes is awesome.  I'm not sure he holds up for four quarters against the Niner D line.  With Dee Ford healthy, I think the pressure is coming.  He's going to have trouble getting the ball down the field.  But I think he'll still find a way to help them score.   

I also think Shanahan has done a brilliant job game planning/calling plays.  I just hope he doesn't have a brain cramp like he did against NE when he was with Atlanta. 

On a personal note, it would be nice to celebrate on Sunday because that Kobe loss was a real gut punch. 

Pass rush will prevent long looks downfield, just like with Rogers.

I will say the Chiefs defense surprised me with how they handled Henry.

As you say, it's a coin flip right now.

SF getting #6 and Jimmy G winning would bother Pats fans, so I'll go with that, lol.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
Good game.  The better team won.  I never believed that “defense wins championships” line.  Give me a great offense over a great defense every time.

The Niners have a lot of great pieces to work with.  They need help in the secondary.  Sherman needs to retire, or play nickel.  They need another WR, although I’m interested to see what Jalen Hurd can do.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 03, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
Good game.  The better team won.  I never believed that “defense wins championships” line.  Give me a great offense over a great defense every time.

The Niners have a lot of great pieces to work with.  They need help in the secondary.  Sherman needs to retire, or play nickel.  They need another WR, although I’m interested to see what Jalen Hurd can do.

defenses do win championships, your coach made bad play calls just like he did when he was with the falcons

is mahomes the first guy to not be affected by being on the cover of madden?

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 01:04:40 PM
defenses do win championships, your coach made bad play calls just like he did when he was with the falcons

is mahomes the first guy to not be affected by being on the cover of madden?

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Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays in the second half.  

Offense won this championship, like it does almost every year.  Only notable championships I can think of that had to ride their defense were the Bucs with Brad Johnson at QB and the Bears with McMahan at QB.  
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 03, 2020, 01:10:35 PM
Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays in the second half. 

Offensive won this championship, like it does almost every year.  Only notable championships I can think of that had to ride their defense were the Bucs with Brad Johnson at QB and the Bears with McMahan at QB. 

patriots in 2001
steelers in 2005 and 2008
seattle 2013
ravens 2000
steelers in the 70's

that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure there are more but these teams don't get anywhere near the super bowl without their defense

for whatever reason shanahan likes to throw the ball when his team has a double digit lead

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 01:47:38 PM
patriots in 2001
steelers in 2005 and 2008
seattle 2013
ravens 2000
steelers in the 70's

that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure there are more but these teams don't get anywhere near the super bowl without their defense

for whatever reason shanahan likes to throw the ball when his team has a double digit lead

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Didn’t Brady lead his team to the game winning FG in 2001?
The 05 and 08 Steelers had a great D, but offense won those championships.
The 2000 Ravens had a great D, but they scored a lot of points, including 34 in the Super Bowl.  Yes they held the Giants to 7 points.
The 70s Steelers?  With Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, and Stallworth?  Yes the Steel Curtain was awesome, but without that offense they were not winning those Super Bowls.  

No question great defenses contribute to championships.  I’m just saying if it’s a contest between a great offense and a great defense, I’m taking the O.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 03, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Didn’t Brady lead his team to the game winning FG in 2001?
The 05 and 08 Steelers had a great D, but offensive won those championships.
The 2000 Ravens had a great D, but they scored a lot of points, including 34 in the Super Bowl.  Yes they held the Giants to 7 points.
The 70s Steelers?  With Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, and Stallworth?  Yes the Steel Curtain was awesome, but without that offense they were not winning those Super Bowls. 

No question great defenses contribute to championships.  I’m just saying if it’s a contest between a great offense and a great defense, I’m taking the O.

game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL

ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point

2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate

bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive

i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches

the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season

name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL

ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point

2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate

bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive

i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches

the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season

name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense

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Yes, the NE offense, not their D, drove for the game winning FG in 01.  

Never said Ben carried the Steelers.  

I know what the 2000 Ravens are remembered for.  I’m telling you why I think they won the Super Bowl.

So because people talk more about the Steel Curtain than their offense, and most people don’t consider Bradshaw to be the GOAT, the defense carried them to Super Bowl wins?  So forget about the fact Bradshaw, Franco, Stallworth, and Swan were Hall of Fame players?  Are you kidding?  Four HOF skill position players, not counting their offensive line?  

Denver won when Terrell Davis showed up.  

I don’t know if any team has ever won a championship with a “weak” defense OR a “weak” offense.  One is usually stronger than the other.  Maybe the Bucs with Johnson had a relatively weak offense.  
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 03, 2020, 04:58:20 PM
Yes, the NE offense, not their D, drove for the game winning FG in 01.  

Never said Ben carried the Steelers.  

I know what the 2000 Ravens are remembered for.  I’m telling you why I think they won the Super Bowl.

So because people talk more about the Steel Curtain than their offense, and most people don’t consider Bradshaw to be the GOAT, the defense carried them to Super Bowl wins?  So forget about the fact Bradshaw, Franco, Stallworth, and Swan were Hall of Fame players?  Are you kidding?  Four HOF skill position players, not counting their offensive line?  

Denver won when Terrell Davis showed up.  

I don’t know if any team has ever won a championship with a “weak” defense OR a “weak” offense.  One is usually stronger than the other.  Maybe the Bucs with Johnson had a relatively weak offense.  

so one drive to get into FG position means they had a great offense?  not the pats defense holding the greatest show on turf to 17 points i think?  not ty law intercepting warner and returning it about 80 yards for a touchdown?

i'm telling you why you are wrong about the ravens winning the super bowl

yes the steelers steel curtain defense carried them, i'm in pittburgh absolutely nobody talks about that offense, the offense was good the defense was all time great

most in pittsburgh consider ben and antonio brown to be better than bradshaw, stallworth and swann

terrel davis played on the 2015 super bowl team?  that broncos team in the late 90's also had great defense so not sure what you are arguing

i gave you plenty examples of teams carried by their defense, just because their offense had a good game or two or one drive to get them into field goal position doesn't mean the offense was great

your coach lost you the game, not your offense

shanahan is like most people that don't learn from their mistakes and get stuck in bad habits

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 05:46:57 PM
so one drive to get into FG position means they had a great offense?  not the pats defense holding the greatest show on turf to 17 points i think?  not ty law intercepting warner and returning it about 80 yards for a touchdown?

i'm telling you why you are wrong about the ravens winning the super bowl

yes the steelers steel curtain defense carried them, i'm in pittburgh absolutely nobody talks about that offense, the offense was good the defense was all time great

most in pittsburgh consider ben and antonio brown to be better than bradshaw, stallworth and swann

terrel davis played on the 2015 super bowl team?  that broncos team in the late 90's also had great defense so not sure what you are arguing

i gave you plenty examples of teams carried by their defense, just because their offense had a good game or two or one drive to get them into field goal position doesn't mean the offense was great

your coach lost you the game, not your offense

shanahan is like most people that don't learn from their mistakes and get stuck in bad habits

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Sorry I thought you mentioned Elway instead of Peyton.  Multi-tasking.  lol 

You have to be joking about the Steelers.  Who cares what people say?  You can downplay the fact they had four HOF skill position players on the field at the same, plus a HOF center, but I don't. 

Yes, Shannon called a lousy second half.  I definitely put part of the blame on him, but the better team won.  On to next year. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 03, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
Sorry I thought you mentioned Elway instead of Peyton.  Multi-tasking.  lol 

You have to be joking about the Steelers.  Who cares what people say?  You can downplay the fact they had four HOF skill position players on the field at the same, plus a HOF center, but I don't. 

Yes, Shannon called a lousy second half.  I definitely put part of the blame on him, but the better team won.  On to next year. 

well why isn't a 4 time super bowl winning qb ever mentioned among the best ever?  brady got to 4 rings and people started calling him the goat, bradshaw was the first to get there yet was never called the best

why did it take swann and stallworth about 15 years or so to get into the hall of fame if they were so great? 

not downplaying them, i'm telling it how it is there is a reason that defense is still praised to this day, they were the stars

the 49ers were always thought to be the better team, i still think they are and mahomes wasn't great he threw 2 interceptions and completed 26 out of 42 passes, the 49ers gave up so i hardly count that last rushing touchdown

that game proved coaching matters not having the best offense

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
well why isn't a 4 time super bowl winning qb ever mentioned among the best ever?  brady got to 4 rings and people started calling him the goat, bradshaw was the first to get there yet was never called the best

why did it take swann and stallworth about 15 years or so to get into the hall of fame if they were so great? 

not downplaying them, i'm telling it how it is there is a reason that defense is still praised to this day, they were the stars

the 49ers were always thought to be the better team, i still think they are and mahomes wasn't great he threw 2 interceptions and completed 26 out of 42 passes, the 49ers gave up so i hardly count that last rushing touchdown

that game proved coaching matters not having the best offense

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We're not talking about whether they were the greatest of all time.  We're talking about whether they had a great offense.  They clearly did.  What difference does it make if it took a while for them to get in the HOF?  Theyr'e in.  Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, Stallworth, and Webster are among the best to ever play the game, but the issue is whether they were part of a great offense.  They were.   

I thought the Niners might have had the better overall team, but they didn't play like the better team for four quarters.  Plus KC's offense was just too good.  Even with Shanahan's poor second half play calling, KC still had to score twice in the fourth quarter, against a great defense.  That's what ultimately won the game IMO. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 16, 2020, 11:46:15 AM
game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL

ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point

2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate

bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive

i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches

the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season

name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense

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The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 16, 2020, 12:54:30 PM
The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.

i'm arguing that defense has won championships plenty of times, and then you say "ravens" did squat on offense" and i'm making myself look silly ???

whatever the hell you are trying to say, don't respond to a 2 week old argument only to say "stop the argument"

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 16, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
i'm arguing that defense has won championships plenty of times, and then you say "ravens" did squat on offense" and i'm making myself look silly ???

whatever the hell you are trying to say, don't respond to a 2 week old argument only to say "stop the argument"

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I meant to quote Dos Equis and hit yours instead. I’m in agreement with you on most of that.


Steelers suck  ;D
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 17, 2020, 04:00:15 PM



Steelers suck  ;D

yes they do

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 17, 2020, 04:29:11 PM
The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.

Check out the box scores and get back to me.   :)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 17, 2020, 05:11:43 PM
Check out the box scores and get back to me.   :)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm

i think they went on a 5 game streak without scoring an offensive touchdown

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 10:55:24 AM
i think they went on a 5 game streak without scoring an offensive touchdown

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Which five games?  I posted the link to the box scores for the entire season and the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Which five games?  I posted the link to the box scores for the entire season and the playoffs. 

i think it was towards the end of the season

you are the only person in the world that remembers their offense being "good", gee i wonder why they dumped trent dilfer after winning the super bowl

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
i think it was towards the end of the season

you are the only person in the world that remembers their offense being "good", gee i wonder why they dumped trent dilfer after winning the super bowl

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Why are you guessing?  Look at the link.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 12:17:46 PM
Thank you Mr. President.   :)

NFL greats cheer as Trump pardons former San Francisco 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nfl-greats-thank-trump-for-pardon-of-hall-of-fame-owner-eddie-debartolo-jr
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 12:30:56 PM
Why are you guessing?  Look at the link.

i saw them play, did you? 

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 01:07:45 PM
i saw them play, did you? 

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Yes I saw them play.  Then you must have seen them score 39, 37, 27, 24, 27, 44, 24, and 34 in the regular season.  They had a number of lower scoring games too.  Playoffs they scored 21, 24, 16, and 34.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
Yes I saw them play.  Then you must have seen them score 39, 37, 27, 24, 27, 44, 24, and 34 in the regular season.  They had a number of lower scoring games too.  Playoffs they scored 21, 24, 16, and 34.

such great offense, they got rid of their super bowl winning qb ::)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 02:42:56 PM
such great offense, they got rid of their super bowl winning qb ::)

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And why not?  Trent Dilfer is one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
And why not?  Trent Dilfer is one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl.

which means their offense sucked and they were carried by defense

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
which means their offense sucked and they were carried by defense

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lol.  It's a lot more complicated than that.  An offense that sucks doesn't score 34 points in the Super Bowl.   And top 30 points 4 times during the regular season, including 44 in one game. 

An offense doesn't just consist of a QB.  And nobody said Baltimore had a "great" offense that year.  We're talking about, in the bigger picture, whether offense or defense wins championships.  No question the Ravens D was awesome that year, but they don't win anything if their offense cannot score.  That's true pretty much every year. 

We saw it on full display just a few weeks ago, where an offense scored twice against a great defense to win a championship. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 03:03:06 PM
lol.  It's a lot more complicated than that.  An offense that sucks doesn't score 34 points in the Super Bowl.   And top 30 points 4 times during the regular season, including 44 in one game. 

An offense doesn't just consist of a QB.  And nobody said Baltimore had a "great" offense that year.  We're talking about, in the bigger picture, whether offense or defense wins championships.  No question the Ravens D was awesome that year, but they don't win anything if their offense cannot score.  That's true pretty much every year. 

We saw it on full display just a few weeks ago, where an offense scored twice against a great defense to win a championship. 

i remember one ravens td in the super bowl was a kick off return, there might have been a defensive td too, i remember ray lewis had a int return against the number 1 seed titans in the playoffs

ray lewis told the offense get us 10 points and we'll take care of the rest, if you have to tell your offense that it means the offense sucks and the defense is great

an offense is only as good as it's qb, the ravens had an average qb and their offense was average at best

defense can and does win championships, the 49ers losing doesn't prove otherwise and i don't recall anybody claiming the 49ers were overly special on defense, they just had a better defense than the chiefs but they also had a good defense, i think jimmy is about on par with trent dilfer, kerry collins is no mahomes

that last chiefs rushing td was just the 49ers quitting and realizing the game was already over

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 03:24:05 PM
i remember one ravens td in the super bowl was a kick off return, there might have been a defensive td too, i remember ray lewis had a int return against the number 1 seed titans in the playoffs

ray lewis told the offense get us 10 points and we'll take care of the rest, if you have to tell your offense that it means the offense sucks and the defense is great

an offense is only as good as it's qb, the ravens had an average qb and their offense was average at best

defense can and does win championships, the 49ers losing doesn't prove otherwise and i don't recall anybody claiming the 49ers were overly special on defense, they just had a better defense than the chiefs but they also had a good defense, i think jimmy is about on par with trent dilfer, kerry collins is no mahomes

that last chiefs rushing td was just the 49ers quitting and realizing the game was already over

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The Niners had one of the best defenses in the NFL all season.  They had the best D-line in the NFL.  The pressure they put on QBs was really impressive.  I have to assume you didn't watch them play.  Their defense was terrific.  KC scored twice in the fourth quarter against that D.

I think there are situations where defense wins championships and I gave a couple examples.  I'm saying that is the exception rather than the rule.  Teams that can score are teams that win championships.  That's almost always the case. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
The Niners had one of the best defenses in the NFL all season.  They had the best D-line in the NFL.  The pressure they put on QBs was really impressive.  I have to assume you didn't watch them play.  Their defense was terrific.  KC scored twice in the fourth quarter against that D.

I think there are situations where defense wins championships and I gave a couple examples.  I'm saying that is the exception rather than the rule.  Teams that can score are teams that win championships.  That's almost always the case. 

i know they had one of the best, but they were not elite we see defenses like them every season

one of KC's touchdowns was when KC was running out the clock

i gave you plenty of examples where defense won championships, your coach doesn't no how to manage a clock and makes poor play calls with a lead

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
i know they had one of the best, but they were not elite we see defenses like them every season

one of KC's touchdowns was when KC was running out the clock

i gave you plenty of examples where defense won championships, your coach doesn't no how to manage a clock and makes poor play calls with a lead

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I didn't say the were "elite."  I said they were great.  And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost.  Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning.  But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.   

A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships.  I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
I didn't say the were "elite."  I said they were great.  And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost.  Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning.  But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.   

A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships.  I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true. 

can you name a team that won with bad defense?

i named plenty that won with bad offense

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
can you name a team that won with bad defense?

i named plenty that won with bad offense

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Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 04:56:02 PM
Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense. 

i named plenty, you named none

i win 8)


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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2020, 07:00:43 PM
i named plenty, you named none

i win 8)


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Was this a contest?  lol  You didn't name any.  Regardless, we just have a different view on what it typically takes to win a Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 18, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Was this a contest?  lol  You didn't name any.  Regardless, we just have a different view on what it typically takes to win a Super Bowl. 

i named several go back and read them

and yes i won 8)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 11:01:20 AM
i named several go back and read them

and yes i won 8)

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No you didn't actually.  But assume you did.  It isn't reasonable to conclude that because "several" teams with "bad" offenses won a Super Bowl that defense always wins championships. 

And regarding winning this discussion, maybe Ron can create a trophy icon for you?   :)
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense. 
St. Louis Rams.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:24:04 PM
I didn't say the were "elite."  I said they were great.  And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost.  Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning.  But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.   

A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships.  I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true. 
If Garoppolo completes the pass to Sanders the 49'ers win and everyone is talking about how great the SF defense is and how Andy Reid chocked again.  These games have a few key plays that determine the outcome.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 12:24:35 PM
No you didn't actually.  But assume you did.  It isn't reasonable to conclude that because "several" teams with "bad" offenses won a Super Bowl that defense always wins championships. 

And regarding winning this discussion, maybe Ron can create a trophy icon for you?   :)

still waiting for you to prove your point by naming these super bowl winning teams with bad defenses

i proved mine several times, you refuse to listen

i don't need a trophy icon, this was a blow out we haven't seen since the seahawks DEFENSE held the all time scoring broncos offense to 7 points in the super bowl in 2013 8)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 12:27:11 PM
St. Louis Rams.

Greatest Show on Turf.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:28:33 PM
Greatest Show on Turf.
Yep, and their defense sucked.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
If Garoppolo completes the pass to Sanders the 49'ers win and everyone is talking about how great the SF defense is and how Andy Reid chocked again.  These games have a few key plays that determine the outcome.

Or the deep pass by Mahomes late in the fourth, with Bosa inches from a sack.  Game of inches.  

We can point to a number of game-changing moments and decisions (like why didn't they continue to feed Deebo and why didn't Mostert start), but in the end, KC got it done over four quarters.    

  
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 12:31:23 PM
Yep, and their defense sucked.

Well I guess that blows up Earl's theory.   :)
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
Or the deep pass by Mahomes late in the fourth, with Bosa inches from a sack.  Game of inches.  

We can point to a number of game-changing moments and decisions (like why didn't they continue to feed Deebo and why didn't Mostert start), but in the end, KC got it done over four quarters.    

  
Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships.  They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 12:45:08 PM
Well I guess that blows up Earl's theory.   :)

if true that would only be one team, but he's wrong they had a great defense

they had 7 interceptions returned for touchdowns, which is 3rd most in nfl history

led the league in sacks and rushing defense, kevin carter had the most sacks in the league

i win again 8)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships.  They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.

good teams tend to find a way to win

people say the patriots could be 0 - 9 in super bowls if not for a play here or there, the fact that they were always in a position to win or in contention should tell you the difference between winning and losing is a lot greater than just one play or luck, while most of the teams they played had a short run or a one year wonder only to disappear

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
if true that would only be one team, but he's wrong they had a great defense

they had 7 interceptions returned for touchdowns, which is 3rd most in nfl history

led the league in sacks and rushing defense, kevin carter had the most sacks in the league

i win again 8)

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Not so fast.  The 2011 NY Giants had the 27th ranked defense.  You lose.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 12:50:56 PM
Not so fast.  The 2011 NY Giants had the 27th ranked defense.  You lose.

they played the 30th ranked defense in the super bowl  ;D

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships.  They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.

I agree.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 12:55:25 PM
The 2006 Colts had the 28th ranked defense.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 12:55:49 PM
The 2006 Colts had the 24th ranked defense.

good thing they played rex grossman in the super bowl 8)

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
You could make the same excuses for the teams that had great defenses.  The Bears defense played Grogan and the Pats, the Buccaneers played the old man Grbac and the old folks home Raiders (with no 2 week break that year).

Correction Gannon.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 01:02:20 PM
The 2006 Colts had the 28th ranked defense.

Earl this is what happens when you make overstatements.  lol

If defense always wins championships then the 2006 Colts would not have won the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
You could make the same excuses for the teams that had great defenses.  The Bears defense played Grogan and the Pats, the Buccaneers played the old man Grbac and the old folks home Raiders (with no 2 week break that year).

Correction Gannon.

bears are remembered as maybe best defense ever, gannon was nfl mvp that season

next :D

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
bears are remembered as maybe best defense ever, gannon was nfl mvp that season

next :D

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Your argument has already been debunked.  Great defenses have an advantage, no doubt.  Of the teams that had a #1 ranked defense and made the Super Bowl the record is 8-3.  Big advantage but not impossible to overcome.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
Earl this is what happens when you make overstatements.  lol

If defense always wins championships then the 2006 Colts would not have won the Super Bowl.

like i said they played rex grossman

they also got healthy for the playoffs, both bob sanders and dwight freeney were injured that season and were easily their best defensive players

bob sanders had a short career due to injuries, but when healthy he was as good as any safety ever, he was their troy polamalu

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 20, 2020, 01:08:23 PM
Your argument has already been debunked.  Great defenses have an advantage, no doubt.  Of the teams that had a #1 ranked defense and made the Super Bowl the record is 8-3.  Big advantage but not impossible to overcome.

debunked?  are you kidding me HAHAHA ;D

8 -3 is huge

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 20, 2020, 01:14:08 PM
debunked?  are you kidding me HAHAHA ;D

8 -3 is huge

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You asked for 1 team.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
You asked for 1 team.

And you gave him two. 

Ron please cancel that trophy icon request . . . .
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Earl1972 on February 22, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
And you gave him two. 

Ron please cancel that trophy icon request . . . .

where did i ask for just one?  i said name a team, you named none and then you had your big brother "humble narccissist" step in only for me to set him straight too :D

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Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 14, 2020, 10:44:07 AM
I'm hoping for that Ruggs kid from Alabama, but will be happy if they get any quality WR in the first. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on April 29, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
I was yelling at the TV and the ghost of Al Davis when Chucky drafted Ruggs right before my Niners could get him, but I'm happy with the outcome.  I think the Niners will contend again this coming season, if we have an NFL season.   >:(
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2020, 11:55:48 AM
Curse that injury bug. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: IroNat on September 28, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
NYG really stink.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 28, 2020, 12:59:58 PM
NYG really stink.
Yes, but the Jets are probably worse.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on September 28, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
Yes, but the Jets are probably worse.

It's close.

Both already playing for a draft pick.

That they will botch.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 29, 2020, 03:01:59 AM
It's close.

Both already playing for a draft pick.

That they will botch.
Both teams have young QB's that were drafted in the 1st round so they probably will trade out of that pick for a bunch of picks as many teams would give up a lot for Lawrence.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on September 29, 2020, 04:03:04 AM
Both teams have young QB's that were drafted in the 1st round so they probably will trade out of that pick for a bunch of picks as many teams would give up a lot for Lawrence.

You might be right.

Giants need an O-line, which are boring picks, but necessary.

On the flip, they could have likely had Jones at 17 and used 6 to get another area.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 29, 2020, 05:02:08 AM
You might be right.

Giants need an O-line, which are boring picks, but necessary.

On the flip, they could have likely had Jones at 17 and used 6 to get another area.
Yeah, he was taken higher than expected but maybe the Giants front office thought he wouldn't last till 17.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on September 29, 2020, 05:05:52 AM
Yeah, he was taken higher than expected but maybe the Giants front office thought he wouldn't last till 17.

Yeah, they really wanted him.

We'll have to see how it pans out, but I'm not hopeful.

Giants are in this continual cycle of having impact players, OBJ/Saquon, but not having the tools around them.  I don't care if they finish last if it means a first pick and the ability to trade it to build around Jones/Shepard/Barkley.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 29, 2020, 09:36:39 AM
Yeah, they really wanted him.

We'll have to see how it pans out, but I'm not hopeful.

Giants are in this continual cycle of having impact players, OBJ/Saquon, but not having the tools around them.  I don't care if they finish last if it means a first pick and the ability to trade it to build around Jones/Shepard/Barkley.
Like most bad teams in the NFL they need a new coaching staff.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Grape Ape on September 29, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Like most bad teams in the NFL they need a new coaching staff.

Yeah, but they just got one.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 13, 2020, 09:46:42 PM
What kind of voodoo curse hit my Niners?  I've never seen anything like their injury situation. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 14, 2020, 02:39:45 AM
What kind of voodoo curse hit my Niners?  I've never seen anything like their injury situation.
It has been a season of terrible luck with injuries.  Their dominant defensive line was decimated and QB is week to week.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on November 23, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
It has been a season of terrible luck with injuries.  Their dominant defensive line was decimated and QB is week to week.

Worst I've ever seen.  They have something like $80 million of salary on IR.  Crazy. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 21, 2021, 01:44:26 AM
Can someone put a voodoo curse on the Houston GM that will make him trade Deshaun Watson to the Niners without having to give up Bosa, Kittle, Warner, etc.?  I would do a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams and give up the entire draft to get this kid. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 21, 2021, 03:06:31 AM
Can someone put a voodoo curse on the Houston GM that will make him trade Deshaun Watson to the Niners without having to give up Bosa, Kittle, Warner, etc.?  I would do a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams and give up the entire draft to get this kid.
I haven't heard of SF being a possible landing spot for Watson. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 21, 2021, 12:20:26 PM
I haven't heard of SF being a possible landing spot for Watson.

If Watson demands a trade the Niners will definitely make an offer.  Lynch tried to get Beckham and Mack.  He's not afraid to pull the trigger. 

Lots of people have listed SF as one of the top destinations if Watson is traded.  Here is one:  https://ninernoise.com/2021/01/20/sf-49ers-carr-trade-texans-deshaun-watson/

I think Watson in SF with Shanahan would do what Mahomes is doing in KC. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 21, 2021, 12:27:30 PM
Look for the Patriots, Colts, Jets, Titans, Bears, Broncos and Saints to make big offers for him.  If I were SF I would draft a QB.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 21, 2021, 07:24:06 PM
Look for the Patriots, Colts, Jets, Titans, Bears, Broncos and Saints to make big offers for him.  If I were SF I would draft a QB.

Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available.  Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week. 

That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on.  I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 22, 2021, 03:24:00 AM
Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available.  Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week. 

That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on.  I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12.
I wouldn't give up too much for Watson.  He is starting to decline like most QB's after 3 years or so and he has injury problems as well.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 22, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
I wouldn't give up too much for Watson.  He is starting to decline like most QB's after 3 years or so and he has injury problems as well.

He has missed 1 start the past 3 years.  His numbers have gotten better, not worse.  And this past season was outstanding after losing his best target in that ridiculous trade with Arizona. 

You should check this out:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 23, 2021, 03:17:51 AM
He has missed 1 start the past 3 years.  His numbers have gotten better, not worse.  And this past season was outstanding after losing his best target in that ridiculous trade with Arizona. 

You should check this out:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm
You will see.  Just like Lamar.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2021, 12:20:28 AM
You will see.  Just like Lamar.

You mean the Heisman Trophy winner and 2019 First Team NFL All Pro Lamar Jackson?  Yeah if Watson gets traded to SF without SF having to give up their studs on offense Watson might very well be an all pro. 

Look at what he did with an average supporting cast this year:  4823 yards passing, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 70 percent completion, 444 yards rushing, 4 TDs.  If you put him in Shanahan's offensive with Deebo Samuel, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a healthy Mostert, he will explode IMO. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 26, 2021, 02:12:16 AM
You mean the Heisman Trophy winner and 2019 First Team NFL All Pro Lamar Jackson?  Yeah if Watson gets traded to SF without SF having to give up their studs on offense Watson might very well be an all pro. 

Look at what he did with an average supporting cast this year:  4823 yards passing, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 70 percent completion, 444 yards rushing, 4 TDs.  If you put him in Shanahan's offensive with Deebo Samuel, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a healthy Mostert, he will explode IMO.
I mean the Lamar Jackson who chokes every year in the playoffs.  How many yards did he have this year against Buffalo?  3 points  :-*
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
I mean the Lamar Jackson who chokes every year in the playoffs.  How many yards did he have this year against Buffalo?  3 points  :-*

You say that like he's a 10 year veteran.  He's 24 years old.  This is what he did after his first full season as a starter and second year in the NFL:

Ravens QB Lamar Jackson named 2019 NFL MVP
Published: Feb 01, 2020
Nick Shook

The NFL's consensus choice for Most Valuable Player has officially assumed the throne.

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson was named the 2019 NFL MVP on Saturday at NFL Honors in downtown Miami. Jackson earned all 50 first-place votes, making him only the second unaimous MVP in NFL history (Tom Brady, 2010).

Jackson was a source of pure spectating delight in 2019, shredding opposing defenses while leading the league in touchdowns with 36 passing scores and seven trips to the end zone on the ground. Jackson threw for 3,127 yards and posted a 113.3 passer rating, with the latter mark exceeding the average rating of an MVP quarterback (107.8 ) en route to the AFC's top seed.

That's not all, of course. Jackson rushed for 1,206 yards, breaking Michael Vick's single-season record for a quarterback in the process and obliterating the average mark for an MVP quarterback (131). He more than tripled the average mark for rushing touchdowns with his seven scores.

Jackson's league-leading marks in passing touchdowns and quarterback rushing yards made him just the second quarterback to do so in NFL history, joining Hall of Famer Steve Young, who did so in 1994 with nearly 1,000 less rushing yards. Jackson's 1,206 yards also landed him at sixth place in the entire NFL in rushing yards.

Jackson became the youngest quarterback to ever win MVP at 22 years, 358 days old (on Dec. 31, 2019) while leading the NFL's No. 1 scoring offense (33.2 points per game). With Jackson at the controls, Baltimore finished first or second in five key offensive categories: points per game, total yards per game, rushing yards per game, big plays per game and red-zone percentage. Jackson also posted the second-highest passing touchdown percentage (9.0) in the Super Bowl era (minimum 350 attempts).

Jackson's season could only get better if his Ravens were able to reach the Super Bowl. Baltimore's 14-2 finish didn't carry over into the postseason, as the Ravens were eliminated by the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Divisional Round.

His MVP makes him the first Ravens player to win the award.

https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-named-2019-nfl-mvp-0ap3000001100156

And he wasn't playing with a great supporting cast.  So if you're saying Watson will put up these kinds of numbers in the SF, then yes I agree.   :)
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 27, 2021, 03:16:32 AM
It's all downhill for him.  He will be out of the league in 4 years.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 27, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
It's all downhill for him.  He will be out of the league in 4 years.

You think Lamar Jackson will be out of the league in four years?  Ok.  Who knows?  Injuries happen. 

But back to Watson:  he's the real deal.  I know he's probably a long shot for my Niners, but miracles happen.  Montana and Rice.  The Lakers signing Shaq and trading for Kobe.  It might be a pipe dream, but I hope they can make it happen. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2021, 05:28:45 PM
Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available. Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week. 

That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on.  I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12.

Yep.

Deshaun Watson trade rumors: 'More than half the teams' have called about Texans quarterback, per report
It's more than just the quarterback-needy teams that are interested in Watson
By Jordan Dajani
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-more-than-half-the-teams-have-called-about-texans-quarterback-per-report/
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 29, 2021, 03:26:55 AM
Yep.

Deshaun Watson trade rumors: 'More than half the teams' have called about Texans quarterback, per report
It's more than just the quarterback-needy teams that are interested in Watson
By Jordan Dajani
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-more-than-half-the-teams-have-called-about-texans-quarterback-per-report/
The fact that 1/2 the teams are interested means a team will have to give up way too much to get him.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on January 29, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
The fact that 1/2 the teams are interested means a team will have to give up way too much to get him.

Perhaps.  But what is too much for a franchise QB that would make a team a Super Bowl contender? 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 30, 2021, 03:07:43 AM
Perhaps.  But what is too much for a franchise QB that would make a team a Super Bowl contender?
He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Beefjake on January 30, 2021, 06:57:08 AM
He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.
This.
And if you already have a good team, without a QB, you propably do not have the cap space for Watson.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 01, 2021, 10:31:08 AM
He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.

No QB in the NFL would have made this year's Houston team a Super Bowl contender.  The issue is whether a team that already has the pieces to compete for a Super Bowl is just missing a QB.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 01, 2021, 11:07:18 AM
No QB in the NFL would have made this year's Houston team a Super Bowl contender.  The issue is whether a team that already has the pieces to compete for a Super Bowl is just missing a QB.
What about last year and the year before that?  Tom Brady turned a losing team into an NFC champion in 1 year.  Houston bent over backwards making trades to satisfy Watson and it put them in a hole.  No smart team is giving what Houston is asking for Watson.

I hope Houston doesn't lose this battle because if he gets what he wants you will see QB's doing this every year when they aren't happy.  Houston has all the leverage on him.  If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 01, 2021, 02:07:31 PM
What about last year and the year before that?  Tom Brady turned a losing team into an NFC champion in 1 year.  Houston bent over backwards making trades to satisfy Watson and it put them in a hole.  No smart team is giving what Houston is asking for Watson.

I hope Houston doesn't lose this battle because if he gets what he wants you will see QB's doing this every year when they aren't happy.  Houston has all the leverage on him.  If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid.

Houston hasn't had the pieces.  And for sure, the reason they didn't win was NOT because of Watson. 

How did they bend over backwards for Watson by trading away his best player?  Do you know how good DeAndre Hopkins is?  They essentially gave him to Arizona last year.  In spite of that, Watson had his best year ever. 

Brady went to a team with a good defense and some of the best skill position players in the NFL.  That's exactly what I'm talking about:  a team that is only missing a QB.  The Niners stunk this year because of injuries.  If they are healthy and you add a stud QB, they are definitely competing for a Super Bowl.   

I don't have a problem with NFL players using whatever leverage they have.  Most of their contracts are pretty worthless.  Lots of non-guaranteed money.  They get hosed all the time. 

I doubt my Niners will pull the trigger based on what I'm hearing the asking price is:  "2 ones, 2 twos and 2 young defensive starters, at the least."  If was in SF, I would give up the draft picks in a heartbeat, but not the two defensive starters, if those starters are named Nick Bosa and Fred Warner. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 02, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
Houston made a stupid trade with Miami to get their left tackle.  There are a lot of teams with more problems than Houston.  It really doesn't matter, Watson isn't going anywhere unless some stupid team is willing to give a bunch of players and picks for him.  He will command more than Stafford and the Rams gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd for him.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 02, 2021, 12:58:07 PM
Houston made a stupid trade with Miami to get their left tackle.  There are a lot of teams with more problems than Houston.  It really doesn't matter, Watson isn't going anywhere unless some stupid team is willing to give a bunch of players and picks for him.  He will command more than Stafford and the Rams gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd for him.

There are a lot of lousy and mediocre teams in the NFL. 

Watson will definitely command more than Stafford because Watson is better and younger.  We shall see.  I hope whatever is going to happen (or not happen) is over soon, because I hate it when entitled, privileged 20-something-year-old kids consume so much space in my head.  lol
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 03, 2021, 04:14:59 AM
There are a lot of lousy and mediocre teams in the NFL. 

Watson will definitely command more than Stafford because Watson is better and younger.  We shall see.  I hope whatever is going to happen (or not happen) is over soon, because I hate it when entitled, privileged 20-something-year-old kids consume so much space in my head.  lol
If you think they are consuming too much time in your head go to some college football team sites.  These guys spend hours watching film of high school teams and argue who is actually a real 5* player and who isn't.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2021, 11:32:09 AM
If you think they are consuming too much time in your head go to some college football team sites.  These guys spend hours watching film of high school teams and argue who is actually a real 5* player and who isn't.

lol  Glad that's not my thing. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2021, 09:27:12 PM
Buy low! 

Texans QB Deshaun Watson facing four new lawsuits, bringing total to seven
Published: Mar 19, 2021
https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-facing-four-new-lawsuits-bringing-total-to-seven
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 20, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
Buy low! 

Texans QB Deshaun Watson facing four new lawsuits, bringing total to seven
Published: Mar 19, 2021
https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-facing-four-new-lawsuits-bringing-total-to-seven
It's 12 now.  He is either a perv or he REALLY pissed off the Texan's owner by demanding a trade.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 23, 2021, 08:41:53 PM
It's 12 now.  He is either a perv or he REALLY pissed off the Texan's owner by demanding a trade.

The list keeps growing, but I am very suspicious about all of this.  All of the women are "Jane Doe," but their lawyer is all over the media trashing Watson.  That is grossly unfair to him. 

I don't know if he is a perv, but the way they are handling this (and frankly all similar kinds of allegations) is just wrong. 

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but there is no question these allegations have all but eliminated the possibility of any team giving up a king's ransom for him until this is resolved. 

In any event, here is a statement from his lawyer.  https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watsons-lawyer-just-showcased-part-of-his-legal-defense-000124398.html
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 24, 2021, 03:19:41 AM
The list keeps growing, but I am very suspicious about all of this.  All of the women are "Jane Doe," but their lawyer is all over the media trashing Watson.  That is grossly unfair to him. 

I don't know if he is a perv, but the way they are handling this (and frankly all similar kinds of allegations) is just wrong. 

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but there is no question these allegations have all but eliminated the possibility of any team giving up a king's ransom for him until this is resolved. 

In any event, here is a statement from his lawyer.  https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watsons-lawyer-just-showcased-part-of-his-legal-defense-000124398.html
I read that the lawyer representing the women lives on the same street as the Texans owner. :D  It would be a huge ballsy move for the owner though because if just one woman came forward and said she was coaxed by the owner into this he would lose his team.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 24, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
I read that the lawyer representing the women lives on the same street as the Texans owner. :D  It would be a huge ballsy move for the owner though because if just one woman came forward and said she was coaxed by the owner into this he would lose his team.

Yeah I heard they were neighbors.   

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 25, 2021, 10:29:09 AM
It's 16 woman now.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 25, 2021, 09:08:59 PM
It's 16 woman now.

Not surprised.  All unnamed.  There has essentially been a national call for women to come forward.  I wonder why none of them went to the police? 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 26, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
Not surprised.  All unnamed.  There has essentially been a national call for women to come forward.  I wonder why none of them went to the police?
The police don't pay up.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 26, 2021, 01:58:24 PM
The police don't pay up.

Sad but true. 

Up to 24 unnamed accusers. 

Deshaun Watson lawsuits up to 14, with 24 accusers
Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2021
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-up-to-14-with-24-accusers/
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 26, 2021, 02:00:07 PM
On snap.   ;D

If all of the mocks are correct and the Jets take Justin Fields (EDIT:  I meant Zach Wilson), I hope the Niners draft Trey Lance.

49ers acquire No. 3 overall pick from Dolphins; Miami gets No. 12 pick, two future firsts
Published: Mar 26, 2021
Nick Shook
Around The NFL Writer
https://www.nfl.com/news/49ers-acquire-no-3-overall-pick-from-dolphins-miami-gets-no-12-pick-two-future-f?fbclid=IwAR2xv1Uc0p9u7jX2qqBZBL1wfxWqVnu1X_RML9Os_ZglCjhmsyyNXWTT6Ds
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 27, 2021, 03:23:25 AM
On snap.   ;D

If all of the mocks are correct and the Jets take Justin Fields, I hope the Niners draft Trey Lance.

49ers acquire No. 3 overall pick from Dolphins; Miami gets No. 12 pick, two future firsts
Published: Mar 26, 2021
Nick Shook
Around The NFL Writer
https://www.nfl.com/news/49ers-acquire-no-3-overall-pick-from-dolphins-miami-gets-no-12-pick-two-future-f?fbclid=IwAR2xv1Uc0p9u7jX2qqBZBL1wfxWqVnu1X_RML9Os_ZglCjhmsyyNXWTT6Ds
Niners are definitely going QB.  Look for a trade sending Garoppolo to the Patriots soon.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
Niners are definitely going QB.  Look for a trade sending Garoppolo to the Patriots soon.

I don't think they will trade Jimmy G unless NE or someone else offers a 1st round pick.  Not sure if that will happen. 

This is likely to be similar to what happened in KC with Alex Smith and Mahomes and Green Bay with Rodgers and Jordan Love. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 29, 2021, 01:17:49 PM
I don't think they will trade Jimmy G unless NE or someone else offers a 1st round pick.  Not sure if that will happen. 

This is likely to be similar to what happened in KC with Alex Smith and Mahomes and Green Bay with Rodgers and Jordan Love.
Pretty sure NE will offer 1st rounder.  It's like dumping your ex girlfriend and being desperate to get her back.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Pretty sure NE will offer 1st rounder.  It's like dumping your ex girlfriend and being desperate to get her back.

I hope so.  Not sure Cam Newton is the answer.  But they did sign some good skill position players. 

I think NE likes Mac Jones, which is probably why both Shanahan and Lynch are both in Alabama tomorrow to watch Mac Jones throw.  Jedi mind trick trying to make NE think they will draft Mac Jones, leaving NE with all of the top 4 QBs gone by the time they draft at 15. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 03, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
Very happy with the Trey Lance pick.  Seems like a decent draft overall, but we'll find out for sure in about 3 years. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 04, 2021, 02:44:02 AM
Very happy with the Trey Lance pick.  Seems like a decent draft overall, but we'll find out for sure in about 3 years.
Lance better be able to play soon because of Jimmy G's injury history and that all of those D lineman's contracts will be up in 3 years.  They won't be able to sign all of them to big 2nd contracts.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 04, 2021, 02:45:23 PM
Lance better be able to play soon because of Jimmy G's injury history and that all of those D lineman's contracts will be up in 3 years.  They won't be able to sign all of them to big 2nd contracts.

I agree Jimmy G is likely to go down with injury at some point during the season.  Not sure Lance will be forced to play though.  The Niners have Josh Rosen and I'm not convinced he's a bust . . . yet.  But I am really excited to see what Lance will do in this offense. 

I think they will have enough to extend Warner this year, Bosa in 2 years, and Kinlaw in 3 years.  Dee Ford is coming off the books at some point, along with Jimmy G's salary. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 05, 2021, 03:30:49 AM
The NFC West has 3 Super Bowl contenders.  Brutal division with even the Cardinals being decent.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 05, 2021, 04:39:50 PM
The NFC West has 3 Super Bowl contenders.  Brutal division with even the Cardinals being decent.

I actually think all four of them are playoff contenders.  The Cardinals added some pretty good players. 
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 07, 2021, 09:35:11 AM
I actually think all four of them are playoff contenders.  The Cardinals added some pretty good players.
They are decent but a lot of old, injury prone players.  I think their QB will start to regress as well.
Title: Re: Niners
Post by: Dos Equis on May 07, 2021, 01:22:56 PM
They are decent but a lot of old, injury prone players.  I think their QB will start to regress as well.

They got some horses.  Should be a good season though.