Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code

[Matt]

Sure I can explain. You are under the false impression that the ICU is full of Covid patients.

Less than 1 in 10 ICU patients are admitted FOR COVID. Most are in the ICU for other reasons. 90% of TOTAL ICU patients are fully vaxxed. Of the small percentage of the patients that are being TREATED for COVID, about 55% are fully vaxxed leaving 45% of those unvaxxed.

When you open the hospital EHR and look at the census, each patient is marked vaxxed/unvaxxed. This is why most of the “anti-vaxxers” are on the healthcare field. Adventist and HCA hospitals (two of the largest chains of hospitals) dropped their mandate. Even though the holdouts were a “small percentage” that group comprised some of the most valuable and highly educated specialists in the building. As in irreplaceable-so although the low paid sanitation and food staff were all jabbed the same could not be said for radiology department, NICU nurses, Respiratory techs, and many MDs that would and could walk and find gainful employment elsewhere. Most “vaxxed” healthcare workers were either vaxxed against their will or were lucky enough to have a coworker squirt it in the wastebasket like most of the NBA players.

Wow.

People tolerated this for two shots, but no chance they will tolerate it for successive boosters - not when only 20-30% of scared people are pushing this hysteria.

My friend from Strongsville, Ohio was delerious after his second shot. Does my Strongsville friend - seen below in a screenshot taken from a video call when he was taking a shit - look like he wants to take 27 boosters???

[thebrink]

You're dumber than a box of rocks is also just an expression

You're saying Trump is deranged for telling the truth about the vaccine ?

The stupidity of Trumptards is a bottomless pit

What are the long term effects of taking this experimental vaxxine?

[OAK]

Sure I can explain. You are under the false impression that the ICU is full of Covid patients.

Less than 1 in 10 ICU patients are admitted FOR COVID. Most are in the ICU for other reasons. 90% of TOTAL ICU patients are fully vaxxed. Of the small percentage of the patients that are being TREATED for COVID, about 55% are fully vaxxed leaving 45% of those unvaxxed.

When you open the hospital EHR and look at the census, each patient is marked vaxxed/unvaxxed. This is why most of the “anti-vaxxers” are on the healthcare field. Adventist and HCA hospitals (two of the largest chains of hospitals) dropped their mandate. Even though the holdouts were a “small percentage” that group comprised some of the most valuable and highly educated specialists in the building. As in irreplaceable-so although the low paid sanitation and food staff were all jabbed the same could not be said for radiology department, NICU nurses, Respiratory techs, and many MDs that would and could walk and find gainful employment elsewhere. Most “vaxxed” healthcare workers were either vaxxed against their will or were lucky enough to have a coworker squirt it in the wastebasket like most of the NBA players.

First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.

Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.

[Freemason]

First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.

Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.

Since you know 10% is not a small number, you should’ve quoted the exact number of staff to ICU beds. But you have no idea what that number is.

How the hell do you get four times more likely if Unvaccinated? If 35% of the population is unvaccinated, and they were four times more likely to end up in the ICU, then you could take 4×35% equals 140% of patients would have to be unvaccinated. Obviously that’s fucking impossible.

If 65% of the population is fully Vaxxed, and 55% of the ICU Covid patients are fully Vaxxed, that means the vaccine has a relatively small effect on overall hospitalization. Roughly about 15% effectiveness utilizing the same standard we would put on rating the annual flu shots.

[Matt]

First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.

Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.

Do the math please:

There are 1,265 hospitals in Canada [see data below].

There have been 18,701 ICU admissions spread among all Canadian hospitals in total, from the start of this pandemic [see data below].

We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/

Now...as I said, do the math:

We've had 14.8 ICU admissions on average, per Canadian hospital [18,701÷1,265] - spread over 710 days of this pandemic.

That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.

710÷(18,701÷1,265)

^ This is simply BEDMAS here.

OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???

[Al Doggity]

Do the math please:

There are 1,265 hospitals in Canada [see data below].

There have been 18,701 ICU admissions spread among all Canadian hospitals in total, from the start of this pandemic [see data below].

We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/

Now...as I said, do the math:

We've had 14.8 ICU admissions on average, per Canadian hospital [18,701÷1,265] - spread over 710 days of this pandemic.

That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.

710÷(18,701÷1,265)

^ This is simply BEDMAS here.

OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???

In the screencap you posted, I saw that it said "hospital establishments". I looked into it a little further, and as I suspected, that number includes a lot of facilities that aren't equipped to handle acute care. According to the statista infographic, there are 371 "hospital establishments" in ontario, but OHA says that only about 1/5th of those are eligible to perform the type of critical care Covid ICU patients would need. On top of that, Canadian hospitals were already experiencing  a massive, extremely well-publicized bed crunch prior to the pandemic. In that OHA response, they address the exact number of available beds and the exact number of patients from covid at that time (which was 23% of all available beds. ) So, even assuming your other numbers are accurate (which I haven't bothered checking) , excluding 80% of "hospital establishments" makes a big change, especially when you keep in mind that treating covid is very resource intensive. Covid patients have longer than average stays and most medical facilities are still practicing some form of distancing/isolation while treating patients.


https://www.oha.com/Bulletins/OHA%20Fact%20Sheet%20on%20Hospital%20Capacity%20and%20Projections%20Jan%2015%202021.pdf

[Matt]

In the screencap you posted, I saw that it said "hospital establishments". I looked into it a little further, and as I suspected, that number includes a lot of facilities that aren't equipped to handle acute care. According to the statista infographic, there are 371 "hospital establishments" in ontario, but OHA says that only about 1/5th of those are eligible to perform the type of critical care Covid ICU patients would need.

I was wondering about that, but my data analysis is only as good as my data/sources.

One source said Canada has 708 public hospitals and an additional seven private ones.

Luckily, the numbers are so ABSURDLY LOW, rhat even with a TENFOLD increase in deaths, this pandemic would BARELY be discernable to rhe average person, even WITH YOUR ADJUSTMENTS [which I will address later today if anyone can tell me how many hospitals are in Canada.

I've yet to meet one person who even notices we are in a "pandemic" after TWO YEARS OF THIS.

This is literally INSANE.

Maybe my friend Jake, who lost his grandfather...but he was 78 YEARS OLD WHEN HE DIED, AND A LIFETIME SMOKER.

On top of that, Canadian hospitals were already experiencing  a massive, extremely well-publicized bed crunch prior to the pandemic. In that OHA response, they address the exact number of available beds and the exact number of patients from covid at that time (which was 23% of all available beds. ) So, even assuming your other numbers are accurate (which I haven't bothered checking) , excluding 80% of "hospital establishments" makes a big change, especially when you keep in mind that treating covid is very resource intensive. Covid patients have longer than average stays and most medical facilities are still practicing some form of distancing/isolation while treating patients.

That's more proof of what a cluster-fuck this is:

Canada has had TWO YEARS to address the hospital capacity issues.

TWO YEARS.

Canada has spent $900 billion dollars during this pandemic - more money than the entire history of debt accumulated IN ALL OF CANADA'S HISTORY PRIOR TO THIS HYPED PANDEMIC.

Furthermore:

Do you know how many ICU beds the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre has?

22.

22!

TWENTY TWO!

For a city that services over 120,000 Canadians including a disproportionate numbers of Indigenous people, who disproportionately use hospital beds [while it gets blamed on the White people helping them], WE HAVE 22 BEDS.

DO YOU THINK MAYBE AFTER TWO ****ING YEARS, AND $900 BILLION SPENT THAT MAYBE - JUST MAYBE - WE COULD HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY BY FOUR ****ING BEDS [THE NUMBER WE WERE "OVERWHELMED" BY LAST YEAR]??

WE SPENT OVER $25,000 PER CANADIAN, WHICH IS OVER $2,500,000,000 FOR A CITY THIS SIZE, AND...WHAT...WE COULDN'T HAVE ADDED FOUR ****ING BEDS, AND THE STAFF NECESSARY TO MAN THEM???

And off-topic only SLIGHTLY - why did Canada import 410,000 new citizens this year, with over 70% of them being refugees, and others in economic need, if our hospitals are so "overwhelmed"?

[Matt]

Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.

Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].

Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.

[Never1AShow]

Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.

Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].

Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.

Glad you're thinking this through and sticking with the math, even under Al's 1/5th figure it's still only one extra ICU patient per hospital every 10 days.

I'd think they could up their ICU bedspace somewhat if necessary.  22 beds in a hospital seems far from max capacity.

[OAK]

Gotta love all the people with NO medical training whatsoever that think they know how an ICU is run.

Human stupidity at its finest.

LOL

[Flexacon]

Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.

Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].

Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.

The early numbers were discussed to death on here in Feb/March/April 2020

You're only getting to it 2 years later after the fact. That's why you'll forever remain a potato.

Meanwhile some of us had all this figured out 2 years ago and were making predictions like this

If covid19 does indeed become a seasonal virus then the first year it will take out large numbers of people who had comorbidites and had only a year or 2 left at best anyway. So those cancer and heart disease deaths etc just come earlier and in a bigger cluster because of covid19. This is what they need to slow down/spread out and what all the drama should be about. I agree looking at the monthly deaths does hold merit, but only to make sure things aren't going to shit!

By next year most of the general population should have developed a natural immunity to the virus and it won't spread anything like it is now. Any deaths from it will probably be far lower than seasonal flu. They will also be pimping the vaccination hard to everyone even though it will largely be irrelevant by then. (invest in pharma)

51 deaths or 51,000 deaths a month. It won't matter this time next year.

[Notomorrow]

     Politicians and Unions have us hostage right now. The healthcare workers union, representing nurses and others, has already demanded pay increases and benefits, and the healthcare union Presidents, who make $250,000/year+ despite not having anything to do with treating patients, are essentially politicians. Just like the teachers unions, the whole thing with kids being vaccinated is to negotiate the salary and benefits increases. Everyone wants this free covid money.
     The politicians want the covid money for all their constituents. Then the pharma industry wants their blank checks and contracts signed. They are splitting up how much free money goes where, and this will determine how serious covid is. When everyone gets what they want, through blackmail and threats of strike or politicians threatening to not vote for bills,  covid will magically become less serious. Sadly these unions often give an actual teacher or nurse just a fraction of what is negotiated, as money goes to "administrative" salaries and positions. It's all a game. Government does not represent the people anymore. Covid has exposed this.

They learned after 9-11 that nothing pays more than a national crisis. Defense contractors and politicians LOVED 9-11.  Now politicians love covid.  Regardless of how you view the severity of covid, this system has to change.

[Al Doggity]

Glad you're thinking this through and sticking with the math, even under Al's 1/5th figure it's still only one extra ICU patient per hospital every 10 days.

I'd think they could up their ICU bedspace somewhat if necessary.  22 beds in a hospital seems far from max capacity.

ICU is not the only section of the hospital. Most patients, even in moderately serious cases of covid, are not admitted for long term intensive care. I looked on their website and they have 395 acute care beds. They'd have to get more ICU space from somewhere.  That is why looking at ICU numbers is not a great way to get a scope of covid's toll. Not only does focusing on the ICU  number ignore some of the biggest pain points that show up elsewhere, it also underplays how big a number it actually is. 9000 patients suffering from an illness per years sounds miniscule, but 9000 icu admissions a year for one cause is HUGE. This ICU admissions breakdown is from 2008 and 2014 data:
https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/ICU_Report_EN.pdf

In that breakdown,  Covid's 9k yearly admissions would still make it the second most frequent reason for ICU admissions.  That in itself is huge, but those 9k admissions are not the only effect covid has on Canada's health system. Like I said, it also has a massive impact on acute and general care. The nature of the virus affects the logistics of treatment . As for the number of admissions only being 1 more patient every 10 days, just no. Cases don't occur perfectly spaced out chronologically and geographically. There are surges and clusters, which affect how care sites can treat patients.

[Coach is Back!]

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[Never1AShow]

ICU is not the only section of the hospital. Most patients, even in moderately serious cases of covid, are not admitted for long term intensive care. I looked on their website and they have 395 acute care beds. They'd have to get more ICU space from somewhere.  That is why looking at ICU numbers is not a great way to get a scope of covid's toll. Not only does focusing on the ICU  number ignore some of the biggest pain points that show up elsewhere, it also underplays how big a number it actually is. 9000 patients suffering from an illness per years sounds miniscule, but 9000 icu admissions a year for one cause is HUGE. This ICU admissions breakdown is from 2008 and 2014 data:
https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/ICU_Report_EN.pdf

In that breakdown,  Covid's 9k yearly admissions would still make it the second most frequent reason for ICU admissions.  That in itself is huge, but those 9k admissions are not the only effect covid has on Canada's health system. Like I said, it also has a massive impact on acute and general care. The nature of the virus affects the logistics of treatment . As for the number of admissions only being 1 more patient every 10 days, just no. Cases don't occur perfectly spaced out chronologically and geographically. There are surges and clusters, which affect how care sites can treat patients.

I get that there are clusters surges, etc.  it's an average.  When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you.  I'm just talking the math.  I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals. 

Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada.  If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital.  Some may have more, but then others would have less,  The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't. 

[Al Doggity]

I get that there are clusters surges, etc.  it's an average.  When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you.  I'm just talking the math.  I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals. 

Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada.  If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital.  Some may have more, but then others would have less,  The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't.

Can you link where you got this data from? 543 ICU patients in all of Canada and just under 3000 hospitalizations in all of Canada does not sound right. 

If that graph is giving a stat exclusively about covid patients, those hospitals still have to treat patients suffering from other things.

[Never1AShow]

Can you link where you got this data from? 543 ICU patients in all of Canada and just under 3000 hospitalizations in all of Canada does not sound right. 

If that graph is giving a stat exclusively about covid patients, those hospitals still have to treat patients suffering from other things.

Sure, no problem, I posted the link on another thread (the main China virus Cvoid thread) and just copied the picture here.  It's from Googling "hospitalizations Covid Canada" which brings up the graph.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hospitalizations+covid+canda&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS912&oq=hospitalizations+covid+canda&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13j0i8i13i30l5j0i390l3.7627j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Never1AShow]

The data also seems to jibe with the hospitalization date from here, which i think is Canada's official site, but will defer to Matt
:  https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#a9

(scroll all the way down)

[Fortress]

Gotta love all the people with NO medical training whatsoever that think they know how an ICU is run.

Human stupidity at its finest.

LOL

About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).

This is Clown World.

It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.

A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.

NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.

MEDIA=VIRUS

The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.

[Never1AShow]

I get that there are clusters surges, etc.  it's an average.  When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you.  I'm just talking the math.  I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals. 

Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada.  If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital.  Some may have more, but then others would have less,  The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't.

Interesting page showing hospital and ICU capacity in Southern California.  Some places busy, somoe not.  Hmmm

https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/

[Matt]

Interesting page showing hospital and ICU capacity in Southern California.  Some places busy, somoe not.  Hmmm

https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/

Probably overwhelmed in areas with large Hispanic populations, where Hispanics waltz in to Emergency Rooms with headaches.

[Al Doggity]

Sure, no problem, I posted the link on another thread (the main China virus Cvoid thread) and just copied the picture here.  It's from Googling "hospitalizations Covid Canada" which brings up the graph.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hospitalizations+covid+canda&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS912&oq=hospitalizations+covid+canda&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13j0i8i13i30l5j0i390l3.7627j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus,  because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.

[Matt]

About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).

This is Clown World.

It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.

A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.

NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.

MEDIA=VIRUS

The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.

This would be funny if it wasn't so completely outrageous, and criminal on a global scale.

Fortress - do you remember when any of this happened?:

[Al Doggity]

Probably overwhelmed in areas with large Hispanic populations, where Hispanics waltz in to Emergency Rooms with headaches.

No hospital sends anyone to an icu for a headache.

[Matt]

No hospital sends anyone to an icu for a headache.

No, but where I am, Indigenous people with headaches fill up the ER. They disproportionately use healthcare resources. I suspect the average Indigenous person has twice as much spent on them as the average White person. That's typical though - they are given more government money for everything.