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How can a rational person believe such nonsense?
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How can a rational person believe such nonsense?
Rational people can believe in things that make no sense and are scientifically impossible.
If you use logic someone will say you just need "faith". Faith is the "out" that answers all rational questions.
"Just have faith".
I know highly educated Indian physicians who believe in Hinduism with it's numerous gods with six arms. Totally crazy stuff.
But whatever religion you believe in, that is the "true" religion. The others are false.
Religions were invented to explain the unexplainable.
What is the sun? It's a god driving a chariot across the sky (Helios).
How does the earth stay in place? A god holds it on his shoulders (Atlas).
Why do people fall in love? A being shoots you with a magic arrow.
Why is there so much evil in the world? A woman ate a forbidden fruit and made god mad.
Other mainstream religions have equally nutty beliefs. Christianity believes the father sent his son to die for our sins. Why would he do that? Why would a all-powerful god send his son to be tortured for humans? Makes no sense at all. "So we could be saved." Saved from what? From the all-powerful god? What????
People need a reason to their meaningless lives or they would get depressed. Humans would be even worse than they are. No restrictions on behavior. No limits. No repercussions on evil.
We are specks on a rock spinning through an infinite cosmos. It's hard to even think about that without feeling insignificant and meaningless. It's too much for rational people to accept.
So they grab onto religion to give them a reason for being.
We are in the Milky Way galaxy (just one of innumerable galaxies).
(http://workhomeunion.com/milkyway.jpg)
These are many other galaxies in the universe (this is just a very few of them)
(http://www.thehoopsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Hubble-space-telescope-250-tiny-galaxies.jpg)
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Anyway, don't think about it too much or you get depressed.
Just have faith and it'll be ok.
There are no atheists in foxholes.
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Anyway, don't think about it too much or you get depressed.
Just have faith and it'll be ok.
There are no atheists in foxholes.
;)
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Humans are tribal animals. They want to belong to something.
Organized religions are tribes.
The Catholic Tribe
The Jewish Tribe
The Muslim Tribe
The Atheist Tribe
Various Christian Tribes (Mormons, Presbys, Methodists, etc.)
There are sub-tribes in these major tribes.
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When I question life I always come back to the classic Socratic answer: that I know nothing. No matter how hard, how long you search for an answer it is always fruitless. Tired of your life being shit? Give it up to God. Scared of death? Give it to God. No one left in your life? Well God always is. Not saying I do believe in God or I don't, all I'm saying is, based on personal experience, is that I've tried to find the answer and always always always come back to nothing. I don't have to go back into the loop of question, I don't have to know anything, I don't have to even think, I can return to an animalistic state of mind and just do with no anxiety or regret etc.
Also Pascal's wager.
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When I question life I always come back to the classic Socratic answer: that I know nothing. No matter how hard, how long you search for an answer it is always fruitless. Tired of your life being shit? Give it up to God. Scared of death? Give it to God. No one left in your life? Well God always is. Not saying I do believe in God or I don't, all I'm saying is, based on personal experience, is that I've tried to find the answer and always always always come back to nothing. I don't have to go back into the loop of question, I don't have to know anything, I don't have to even think, I can return to an animalistic state of mind and just do with no anxiety or regret etc.
Also Pascal's wager.
You have to decide on your own meaning.
Do good. Help others. Be a good person.
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You have to decide on your own meaning.
Do good. Help others. Be a good person.
Yes, I personally agree with this. Life is what you make it. And if you believe in God you know that God helps those who helps themselves.
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You have to decide on your own meaning.
Do good. Help others. Be a good person.
There is No Good & Bad in Nature
There is just survival & Propagation of your species
The rest are man made ideas & rules.
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There is No Good & Bad in Nature
There is just survival & Propagation of your species
The rest are man made ideas & rules.
True.
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You have to decide on your own meaning.
Do good. Help others. Be a good person.
So which is it? What you said first, or second?
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So which is it? What you said first, or second?
Tell me what I said first and second.
Not sure what you are referring to.
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Tell me what I said first and second.
First:
You have to decide on your own meaning.
Second:
Do good. Help others. Be a good person.
The second appears to cancel the first.
???
Please advise further.
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First:
Second:
The second appears to cancel the first.
???
Please advise further.
Decide for yourself, Rico.
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Decide for yourself, Rico.
Following that advice isn't deciding for one's self, though.
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(http://www.quotationof.com/images/yoda-quotes-1.jpg)
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How can a rational person believe such nonsense?
Which religious belief are you talking about?
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IroNat: How confident are you in the belief that you "decide for" yourself?
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IroNat: How confident are you in the belief that you "decide for" yourself?
I'm just trying not to fall off the Great Turtle's back.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--R_iUwFtZ--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18myou0kz7ujejpg.jpg)
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Rational people can believe in things that make no sense and are scientifically impossible.
If you use logic someone will say you just need "faith". Faith is the "out" that answers all rational questions.
"Just have faith".
I know highly educated Indian physicians who believe in Hinduism with it's numerous gods with six arms. Totally crazy stuff.
But whatever religion you believe in, that is the "true" religion. The others are false.
Religions were invented to explain the unexplainable.
What is the sun? It's a god driving a chariot across the sky (Helios).
How does the earth stay in place? A god holds it on his shoulders (Atlas).
Why do people fall in love? A being shoots you with a magic arrow.
Why is there so much evil in the world? A woman ate a forbidden fruit and made god mad.
Other mainstream religions have equally nutty beliefs. Christianity believes the father sent his son to die for our sins. Why would he do that? Why would a all-powerful god send his son to be tortured for humans? Makes no sense at all. "So we could be saved." Saved from what? From the all-powerful god? What????
People need a reason to their meaningless lives or they would get depressed. Humans would be even worse than they are. No restrictions on behavior. No limits. No repercussions on evil.
We are specks on a rock spinning through an infinite cosmos. It's hard to even think about that without feeling insignificant and meaningless. It's too much for rational people to accept.
So they grab onto religion to give them a reason for being.
We are in the Milky Way galaxy (just one of innumerable galaxies).
(http://workhomeunion.com/milkyway.jpg)
These are many other galaxies in the universe (this is just a very few of them)
(http://www.thehoopsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Hubble-space-telescope-250-tiny-galaxies.jpg)
Yes and rational people also believe crazy stuff like abiogenesis and the Big Bang Theory. I don't know about religion but how can anyone not believe in a creator?
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Yes and rational people also believe crazy stuff like abiogenesis and the Big Bang Theory. I don't know about religion but how can anyone not believe in a creator?
How can anyone Believe in a Creator ?
Who then created the creator?
It’s a never ending question.
Does it matter who what or how we got here
We are here for a brief time Just enjoy it.
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How can anyone Believe in a Creator ?
Who then created the creator?
It’s a never ending question.
Does it matter who what or how we got here
We are here for a brief time Just enjoy it.
excellent point. How, why who what where are all interesting questions, but in the big picture, it doesn't impact my life one iota so it's not worth getting overly focused on.
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How can anyone Believe in a Creator ?
Who then created the creator?
It’s a never ending question.
Does it matter who what or how we got here
We are here for a brief time Just enjoy it.
I was responding to IroNat's post. The question you posted holds true for both those who believe in creation and those who believe in Big Bang Theory. It is a never ending question either way.
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Everything that begins has a cause. God transcends time, space and all that we know and don't know. He is alpha and omega. He is self-existent and has always been. Since he stands outside of time he has no beginning and therefore is uncaused. The creator is not created.
Asking the question "who created God? and who created that thing that created God?" is a valid question but creates an infinite regression.
Now how does God self-exist and be uncaused? I don't know.
Hope all is good with each of you.
MOS out!
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Religious belief is definitely a mental disorder for some. I say abandon religion and simply follow Christ.
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Very good to see you posting again MOS.
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Religious belief is definitely a mental disorder for some. I say abandon religion and simply follow Christ.
same thing
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When I question life I always come back to the classic Socratic answer: that I know nothing. No matter how hard, how long you search for an answer it is always fruitless. Tired of your life being shit? Give it up to God. Scared of death? Give it to God. No one left in your life? Well God always is. Not saying I do believe in God or I don't, all I'm saying is, based on personal experience, is that I've tried to find the answer and always always always come back to nothing. I don't have to go back into the loop of question, I don't have to know anything, I don't have to even think, I can return to an animalistic state of mind and just do with no anxiety or regret etc.
Also Pascal's wager.
Was with you until Pascal's Wager. A benevolent god wouldn't want you to rely on odds.
What Theists have brought to the table is unsubstantiated and unjustified. They just play on emotions.
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Religious belief is definitely a mental disorder for some. I say abandon religion and simply follow Christ.
You are religious. You just form your own denomination.
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Everything that begins has a cause. God transcends time, space and all that we know and don't know. He is alpha and omega. He is self-existent and has always been. Since he stands outside of time he has no beginning and therefore is uncaused. The creator is not created.
Asking the question "who created God? and who created that thing that created God?" is a valid question but creates an infinite regression.
Now how does God self-exist and be uncaused? I don't know.
Hope all is good with each of you.
MOS out!
Multiverse is a pretty common accepted idea with many scholars that don't require a god. Why do you quickly dismiss this? Is it because of your near death experience?
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Most interesting thing to me about the word as we know it, is that it provides the fastest track imaginable to full denial of God. And what an incredibly backward process it must be for a person to use the failures of man to deny God. But it's exactly what happens, every day. All that's required is to point at others and say, "see!"
Worst tragedy ever, then, is someone's conscious decision to exclude God from knowledge - due to the behavior of man. It's like: wtf, over? how's that?
And btw, if you go so far as to "decide" this as your truth, for any reason you might claim, then you've made it much more difficult to go forward with a clear mind: the exact opposite of what you'd hoped for. Again, dumb. That's because whatever caused you think it'd make you better, smarter, faster, less bothered and more complete, to deny God, then becomes threatened by the empty worthless decision you made, should you otherwise broaden your senses as you live life. And the best always do. So don't pretend to read the future by locking yourself into something so impossibly close-minded.
You're doing everything in the negative, that you accuse the believers of doing in the positive.
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I'm just trying not to fall off the Great Turtle's back.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--R_iUwFtZ--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18myou0kz7ujejpg.jpg)
Oh, I'm sure the nearest elephant will use his trunk to blast you back up by the asshole.
Must happen all the time when the turtle makes sharp turns.
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Everything that begins has a cause.
OK.
God transcends time, space and all that we know and don't know. He is alpha and omega. He is self-existent and has always been. Since he stands outside of time he has no beginning and therefore is uncaused. The creator is not created.
Wait.. what? You just finished telling us that:
Everything that begins has a cause.
You just said this in the same sentence as the tripe above!
Everything that begins has a cause. Asking the question "who created God? and who created that thing that created God?" is a valid question but creates an infinite regression.
Have you considered that one of your premises might be flawed?
Everything that begins has a cause. Now how does God self-exist and be uncaused?
You don't know yet you speak as if your irrational beliefs are facts.
I don't know.
Well, at least you're honest about that.
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Religion is a form of moral responsibility. Complete belief in science leads to complete hedonism...Darwins theories made us believe that inequity is "natural"...after all...certain lions take all the good food..fuck all the hot female lions and let weaker lions starve for scraps.....
You often hear the term today "alpha"...a scientific term which many strive to attain today...we are able to see the suffering and pain of so many, while very few hoard more and more....without some sort of spiritual compass...this is "natural"...the rich were just more alpha..
We are seeing more and more "scientific" studies about transgender and other behaviors..pedophilia will be coming soon to science...frantically trying to prove its "natural"...yet it is a form of hedonism...don't reproduce...you have no moral responsibility other than to obey your own primal desires.....like that alpha lion...
Truth is there will be a resurgence of spirituality probably within 100 years....not traditional, organized religions..they were simply primitive explanations of spirituality...but the recognition that pure hedonism doesn't work...we do have a moral reaponsibility to our fellow humans....
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Religion is a form of moral responsibility. Complete belief in science leads to complete hedonism...Darwins theories made us believe that inequity is "natural"...after all...certain lions take all the good food..fuck all the hot female lions and let weaker lions starve for scraps.....
Religion is a form of moral responsibility; just one that's not based on reason. The simple fact is that you can have rational ethics and a morality based on logic. As for your lion example, the distinguishing characteristic between them and us is we have a rational faculty, and they don't.
You often hear the term today "alpha"...a scientific term which many strive to attain today...
Hate to break it to you, but alpha is just the name of a letter in the Greek alphabet.
we are able to see the suffering and pain of so many, while very few hoard more and more....without some sort of spiritual compass...this is "natural"...the rich were just more alpha..
Yeah, a "spiritual compass" is what will make people not "hoard more and more." That's why the Old Testament had very detailed rules about which parts of an animal offering would be burned at the altar and which would go in the belly of the High Priest (Leviticus 7:28-38), and why Henry VIII lived in gilded halls while his subjects subsisted in squalor.
We are seeing more and more "scientific" studies about transgender and other behaviors..pedophilia will be coming soon to science...frantically trying to prove its "natural"...yet it is a form of hedonism...don't reproduce...you have no moral responsibility other than to obey your own primal desires.....like that alpha lion...
"The gays are comin! The gays are comin! Clench your buttcheeks everyone! The gays are comin!"
Truth is there will be a resurgence of spirituality probably within 100 years....not traditional, organized religions..they were simply primitive explanations of spirituality...but the recognition that pure hedonism doesn't work...we do have a moral reaponsibility to our fellow humans....
If you have a moral responsibility to your fellow humans, then you should be able to articulate a rational basis for that position.
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If you have a moral responsibility to your fellow humans, then you should be able to articulate a rational basis for that position.
[/quote]What if there is no "rational" basis for moral responsibility to your fellow humans...fuck em...survival of the fittest?...the weak just perish...after being exploited by the strong?......Why should you be able to rationalize and intellectually support being a good moral person?
Children with no education and rational experience generally care on some level for fellow children...barring mental disorders don't like to see suffering and pain in other children...they can't articulate that....even care for helpless animals...without any rational thought or reasoning...its inherent in humans...and outside the realm of rational thought.
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Humans have a rational faculty. That’s how we are diffferent from, say, the lions in your example. You may choose to believe that there is no reason-based morality or code of ethics, but that doesn’t make it so.
I’m loath to quote Ayn Rand, but she did articulate the case for a code of ethics based on logic and simple axioms that makes sense to me.
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There is No Right or Wrong in Nature
And There is No Religion in Nature
Religion is Man made
HTH
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There is No Right or Wrong in Nature
And There is No Religion in Nature
Religion is Man made
HTH
If you take religion literally..yes...but religion basically was a primitive way of man describing morality through moral stories. For example..the devil and Satanism. If you remove the religion aspect..satan is pure hedonism...just your own pleasure at any cost. So when you hear about "Satanism" controlling Hollywood..no..they Don't drink blood and pray and chant...but have the money and power for pure hedonism..sex no longer has to be consensual or with adults...or even humans...the darkest, filthiest hedonism takes over...Call it the devil..or the devil and hell as a primitive metaphor for unrestrained hedonism...Religions are metaphors for very real things.
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There is No Right or Wrong in Nature
And There is No Religion in Nature
Religion is Man made
HTH
Attitude of a school shooter.
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Attitude of a school shooter.
Ha - If you think so ::)
It is also Fact - Like it or Not
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Humans have a rational faculty. That’s how we are diffferent from, say, the lions in your example. You may choose to believe that there is no reason-based morality or code of ethics, but that doesn’t make it so.
I’m loath to quote Ayn Rand, but she did articulate the case for a code of ethics based on logic and simple axioms that makes sense to me.
Why's that, avxo?
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Why's that, avxo?
I just find her writing style tiresome and somewhat naive. Theoretically a lot of she says makes sense, although not as much sense as she thought if you ask me. But quoting her is almost like a thought-ending cliche.
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I just find her writing style tiresome and somewhat naive. Theoretically a lot of she says makes sense, although not as much sense as she thought if you ask me. But quoting her is almost like a thought-ending cliche.
Well said, IMO. I can't disagree.
She's remarkable, for sure, in that she made the closest thing possible to a case for subjecting conscience to logic. No small feat, imho, as I believe it defies logic itself.
Making an illogical argument to advise on the use of logic is some wicked mad skill, I'm sure - but that's probably why it's so one dimensional and/or seemingly naive.
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There is No Right or Wrong in Nature
And There is No Religion in Nature
Religion is Man made
HTH
We're part of nature, though, and we most certainly recognize right and wrong.
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We're part of nature, though, and we most certainly recognize right and wrong.
Correct We are part of Nature
We Recognise Man made Right & Wrong
That’s not Nature’s Right & Wrong as there is No Right & Wrong in Nature.
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Correct We are part of Nature
We Recognise Man made Right & Wrong
That’s not Nature’s Right & Wrong as there is No Right & Wrong in Nature.
Maybe "good and bad" is a better way to get closer to the idea.
Are you saying that a sense of "good or bad" is (one) a manmade concept that is (two) otherwise nonexistent?
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Maybe "good and bad" is a better way to get closer to the idea.
Are you saying that a sense of "good or bad" is (one) a manmade concept that is (two) otherwise nonexistent?
Good and bad are certainly human concepts and applicable to humans (or, more broadly, to conscious and rational animals).
A lightning bolt isn’t bad because it strikes and kills a toddler; nor is it good because it strikes and kills a terrorist moments before an attack.
A dog isn’t bad because it bit grandpa; nor is it good because it bit a robber.
Neither of those things are rational, conscious and have free will. One is more conscious than the other, of course, if you want to think of consciousness as a spectrum, but that’s semantics.
Good and evil are determinations we make, each based on our moral code. The question is, is an objective and rational moral code possible? I think so.
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Maybe "good and bad" is a better way to get closer to the idea.
Are you saying that a sense of "good or bad" is (one) a manmade concept that is (two) otherwise nonexistent?
I’m not saying or suggesting anything
Just stating the fact that in Nature there is No Good or Bad.
What we as Humans deem Good & Bad is another thing entirely
And what has passed as Good & Bad is different in different countries/ religions
And through different ages.
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Good and bad are certainly human concepts and applicable to humans (or, more broadly, to conscious and rational animals).
A lightning bolt isn’t bad because it strikes and kills a toddler; nor is it good because it strikes and kills a terrorist moments before an attack.
A dog isn’t bad because it bit grandpa; nor is it good because it bit a robber.
Neither of those things are rational, conscious and have free will. One is more conscious than the other, of course, if you want to think of consciousness as a spectrum, but that’s semantics.
Good and evil are determinations we make, each based on our moral code. The question is, is an objective and rational moral code possible? I think so.
To some extent I do think a rational & objective moral code is possible.
Though through different countries & Religions as the world is now & for
The foreseeable future it’s not able to be a universal code.
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I’m not saying or suggesting anything
Just stating the fact that in Nature there is No Good or Bad.
What we as Humans deem Good & Bad is another thing entirely
And what has passed as Good & Bad is different in different countries/ religions
And through different ages.
As to "right, wrong" and "good, bad" in nature - to say animals, probably living in the wilderness.
A fair way to put it, then, might be this: "In nature, there's nothing similar to moral concern for matters outside of the self."
In your opinion, does that place it into perspective?
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As to "right, wrong" and "good, bad" in nature - to say animals, probably living in the wilderness.
A fair way to put it, then, might be this: "In nature, there's nothing similar to moral concern for matters outside of the self."
In your opinion, does that place it into perspective?
I’m not after putting it into perspective.
It’s just A Fact There is No Right or Wrong No Good or Bad
We appear to be the only creatures concerned with such things.
No where else in the universe are there those concepts know
Things just happen.
It a strange & fascinating phenomenon we have evolved the way we have.
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That's what separates humans from animals (the knowledge of right and wrong) and the people who have your beliefs are the ones on psych drugs to cope with their miserable lives. Just because you believe something doesn't make it so and if humans had your perspective throughout history we either wouldn't be here or would still be in a very primitive state.
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If survival is the name of the game in the wilderness, then it tells me an animal with a full belly is feeling pretty good. Finding a place in the sun after a freezing night, added to that full stomach, even better. Good things had, with the right acts done to achieve them.
To me, it shows ideas like "good, bad" "right, wrong" absolutely do exist in nature.
Then, we must acknowledge an animal protecting other animals, showing affection for other animals, warning other animals in danger, bringing food to other animals, and events like that.
Bottom line, these don't look to be ideas that are merely part of some fantastical delusion. They are real.
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So. What's really going on?
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That's what separates humans from animals (the knowledge of right and wrong) and the people who have your beliefs are the ones on psych drugs to cope with their miserable lives. Just because you believe something doesn't make it so and if humans had your perspective throughout history we either wouldn't be here or would still be in a very primitive state.
You’re completely Crackers
Psych drugs ::) is that because you can’t Handle the truth.
In Nature & The Universe There is No Right or Wrong & No Good Or Bad
Are you to Stupid to see that.
And we are still in a very primitive state - look at all the atrocities humans do to each other
Everyday all over the world in every country.
What Humans want to Percieve & Decide is Right & Wrong - Good & Bad is a Entirely
Different Subject.
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If survival is the name of the game in the wilderness, then it tells me an animal with a full belly is feeling pretty good. Finding a place in the sun after a freezing night, added to that full stomach, even better. Good things had, with the right acts done to achieve them.
To me, it shows ideas like "good, bad" "right, wrong" absolutely do exist in nature.
Then, we must acknowledge an animal protecting other animals, showing affection for other animals, warning other animals in danger, bringing food to other animals, and events like that.
Bottom line, these don't look to be ideas that are merely part of some fantastical delusion. They are real.
Agreed - yes very much the are real.
Only the same animals can turn & kill one & other & its own at any time & not ever think about it.
Nature is a Wonderful thing at times
And at other times Very Cruel & Brutal
Nature - Survival of the fittest / strongest
We as Humans look to place our thoughts / Values / emotions etc on animals
It’s a very interesting topic as clearly some animals at times exhibit actions & behaviour we recognise.
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You’re completely Crackers
Psych drugs ::) is that because you can’t Handle the truth.
In Nature & The Universe There is No Right or Wrong & No Good Or Bad
Are you to Stupid to see that.
And we are still in a very primitive state - look at all the atrocities humans do to each other
Everyday all over the world in every country.
What Humans want to Percieve & Decide is Right & Wrong - Good & Bad is a Entirely
Different Subject.
If you think we are still in a primitive state you are the one who is crackers. Do animals invent airplanes, trains, ships, medical technology, computers, etc, etc? Humans are separated from the animals by our intelligent conscious minds which create ethics, laws and cultures that foster innovation for all of society. Sure there are a small percentage of criminals (most of whom have your nihilistic mindset) but the vast majority of humans are good and that's why we have all the things we have. With your negative victim mindset about the world I'm guessing you are a liberal; am I right?
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If you think we are still in a primitive state you are the one whose crackers. Do animals invent airplanes, trains, ships, medical technology, computers, etc, etc? Humans are separated from the animals by our intelligent conscious minds which create ethics, laws and cultures that foster innovation for all of society. Sure there are a small percentage of criminals (most of whom have your nihilistic mindset) but the vast majority of humans are good and that's why we have all the things we have. With your negative victim mindset about the world I'm guessing you are a liberal; am I right?
Ha ha ha A Fooking Liberal - Well That’s an ultimate insult.
Jeez man there was No Need for That.
We clearly have very differing views & thoughts
For all The Truly Wonderful & Marvellous things that have been achieved
And invented by Humans - There are to numerous things to list which are bad & indicative
Of Primitive Behaviour.
Think on.
Let’s imagine That Electricity stopped being Produced & no fuel could be pumped
Then no food could be transported to large cities say like NY
How long before the shops were bare & People Turned on one & other for their food
It wouldn’t take long in a city ( a few weeks max ) Before people would be Killing
Each other - Survival of the Fittest/ Strongest - So much for Modern man
The Primative Man & his instincts would soon take over.
I hope it never happens - Only I’m under no illusion.
Being aware is part way to being prepared.
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That is part of the human condition, balancing the primitive animal nature and the godlike spiritual mind.
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Agreed - yes very much the are real.
Only the same animals can turn & kill one & other & its own at any time & not ever think about it.
Nature is a Wonderful thing at times
And at other times Very Cruel & Brutal
Nature - Survival of the fittest / strongest
We as Humans look to place our thoughts / Values / emotions etc on animals
It’s a very interesting topic as clearly some animals at times exhibit actions & behaviour we recognise.
Not to say such basic differentiation doesn't take place on any level, though, right? (IOW: you don't believe an animal's actions are just random spasms, completely unconnected to knowledge or/of the animal's own experience in life.)
Meaning, "not ever think about it", isn't an accurate description and cannot serve as one. Mustn't you agree, illuminati?
You, being one of the more thoughtful, logical, reasonable posters, should question why you'd propose that.
Is it this: That, otherwise, you'd be made to acknowledge such a definitive state of truth -- regarding "good, bad" "right, wrong" -- that you realize it cannot be subject to your own natural capabilities to "know better than".
In other words, you cannot control it, (and yet) you know it awaits to control you and your sense of logic.
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Not to say such basic differentiation doesn't take place on any level, though, right? (IOW: you don't believe an animal's actions are just random spasms, completely unconnected to knowledge or/of the animal's own experience in life.)
Meaning, "not ever think about it", isn't an accurate description and cannot serve as one. Mustn't you agree, illuminati?
You, being one of the more thoughtful, logical, reasonable posters, should question why you'd propose that.
Is it this: That, otherwise, you'd be made to acknowledge such a definitive state of truth -- that you realize it cannot be subject to your own natural capabilities to "know better than".
In other words, you cannot control it, (and yet) you know it awaits to control you and your sense of logic.
I’m not trying to argue with you or the points you raise.
It’s just Fact that in Nature There is No Right or Wrong / Good or Bad.
I’ve no idea why this is so & to us as humans in our present state with our laws
& morals it’s unpalatable.
Only Nature was here long before us & the way some of humanity is going long
After us.
Nature controls us / we don’t control nature.
I’m not clever / bright enough to answer for the way Nature is,
I find it wonderful / beautiful / cruel / savage etc in fact all feeling & emotions
Rolled into one.
I see us on this planet as humans as very important & complex
Yet at the same time in the grand scheme of Nature / Universe
We are virtual nothing on a tiny spec of cosmic dust that have zero
Bearing on anything other than our own tiny Spec of dust.
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I’m not trying to argue with you or the points you raise.
It’s just Fact that in Nature There is No Right or Wrong / Good or Bad.
I’ve no idea why this is so & to us as humans in our present state with our laws
& morals it’s unpalatable.
Only Nature was here long before us & the way some of humanity is going long
After us.
Nature controls us / we don’t control nature.
I’m not clever / bright enough to answer for the way Nature is,
I find it wonderful / beautiful / cruel / savage etc in fact all feeling & emotions
Rolled into one.
I see us on this planet as humans as very important & complex
Yet at the same time in the grand scheme of Nature / Universe
We are virtual nothing on a tiny spec of cosmic dust that have zero
Bearing on anything other than our own tiny Spec of dust.
Have you ever considered that maybe instead of being nothing in this universe we are everything?
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Have you ever considered that maybe instead of being nothing in this universe we are everything?
Good point.
To most people on this planet they are Everything.
Personally I wish I was brighter & understand more also younger to have more time to find out more.
From my perhaps limited view of the universe in the grand scheme of things I’m irrelevant & very nearly
Nothing.
To me it’s Very interesting & mind challenging to consider the universe & My own relevance if any at all.
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“There are in nature neither rewards nor punishments — there are consequences.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Christian Religion An Enquiry