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Title: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 08, 2022, 04:38:42 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/08/trump-says-fbi-raiding-his-mar-a-lago-home.html
Title: Re: FBI Raided Trump’s Home
Post by: Royalty on August 08, 2022, 04:43:30 PM
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Title: Re: FBI Raided Trump’s Home
Post by: Royalty on August 08, 2022, 04:44:56 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 08, 2022, 05:14:00 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/08/trump-says-fbi-raiding-his-mar-a-lago-home.html

Has Trump gone over to mainstream media, liberal biased CNBC. I would have imagined he would call Trucker Carlson at FOX rather than someone at CNBC. Go figure???
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 08, 2022, 05:17:26 PM
Crazy that a former presidents house is being raided by the FBI. Strange times we are living in bros.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dave D on August 08, 2022, 05:18:41 PM
Crazy that a former presidents house is being raided by the FBI. Strange times we are living in bros.

Very strange.  The Clintons murdered people. Trump sent mean tweets.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: robcguns on August 08, 2022, 05:24:57 PM
Very strange.  The Clintons murdered people. Trump sent mean tweets.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: jude2 on August 08, 2022, 05:25:10 PM
Crazy that a former presidents house is being raided by the FBI. Strange times we are living in bros.
This is not good at all.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 08, 2022, 05:49:53 PM
Hahahha.  I guess that “safe” wasn’t very safe at all.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 08, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
They have to find something substantive, and if so, so be it; if not, FBI head Wray and everyone in the hierarchy within two layers of him have to go.  Shining a light on Trump with nothing to show for it will only reinforce the belief that the FBI is corrupt and make Trump more sympathetic.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Fortress on August 08, 2022, 06:12:47 PM
Anyone still unable to see just how much of a threat Trumpster is to the Deep State commies is hopeless.

As Moontrane says, if nothing of any AUTHENTIC CRIMINAL EVIDENCE is discovered, heads need to roll.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on August 08, 2022, 06:14:24 PM
Anyone still unable to see just how much of a threat Trumpster is to the Deep State commies is hopeless.

As Moontrane says, if nothing of any AUTHENTIC CRIMINAL EVIDENCE is discovered, heads need to roll.

Amen, brother...Amen!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 08, 2022, 06:15:58 PM
Hahahaha.  The funny thing about the raid was when it was first announced you didn’t know what crime it was for.  There are so many investigations going on.  I’m sure vegas had a betting pool going on for what it was related to.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: obsidian on August 08, 2022, 06:21:52 PM
Anyone still unable to see just how much of a threat Trumpster is to the Deep State commies is hopeless.

As Moontrane says, if nothing of any AUTHENTIC CRIMINAL EVIDENCE is discovered, heads need to roll.
Russia / Putin should have declared Obama and Biden Deep State Agents and refused to deal with or talk to them. Should have labelled them as illegitimate regimes. And should have threatened to nuke them unless the public removed the imposters from office. 24 hour notice.

Russia knows that they are dealing with a criminal Deep State and that zero deals can be made with them. They cannot be trusted. They will lie, cheat, steal. Russia should declare the Deep State Public Enemy #1 and threated Armageddon if it is not destroyed.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: obsidian on August 08, 2022, 06:24:33 PM
Obama  = Illegitimate President (Forged Hawaii Birth Certificate)
Biden = Illegitimate President (Stole Election via Fraud)

USA has been ruled by illegitimate Deep State Agents. Military should have arrested and executed the Deep State Leadership.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: IroNat on August 08, 2022, 06:26:45 PM
The Ship of State sails on, regardless of Captain.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: beakdoctor on August 08, 2022, 06:28:54 PM
It doesn't matter what they find or don't find. They will probably find some completely inane/arbitrary paperwork and will say they found evidence.  Search warrants are supposed to be based on probable cause not only that a crime was committed but the person or place to be searched has evidence of that crime. The FBI will "find" something no matter how baseless it is.

Its undoubtedly related to the utterly ridiculous January 6th committee hearings. And just like mental gymnastics allowed them to take things completely out of context and sell this story that Trump organized the 'insurrection ' the same will happen here.

The FBI and the DOJ are so corrupt. Not in the way that they steal or 'plant' evidence.  But by manipulating facts, putting a spin on statements, taking things out of context they build their case.

They will take one of tgese Jan 6th insurrectionists and hammer them with a ridiculous sentence. Something totally outside of due process snd a disproportionate sentence bordering on cruel and unusual.  Then the FEDs will go to that person and promise they will be released from prison and be given a lighter sentence/probation "if only they testify against Trump" along with whatever irrelevant documents they find they will build their case.

This is FBI/DOJ playbook 101. These people fucking suck.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 08, 2022, 06:29:19 PM
Obama  = Illegitimate President (Forged Hawaii Birth Certificate)
Biden = Illegitimate President (Stole Election via Fraud)

USA has been ruled by illegitimate Deep State Agents. Military should have arrested and executed the Deep State Leadership.

obsistupid = legitimate dumb ass
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 08, 2022, 06:33:15 PM
Sounds like democrats are scared of Trump running again and the Jan 6th facade has been a complete failure so I expect them to make up some complete bullshit to try to stop Trump. Pathetic.
The alphabet organizations are the governments terrorists groups against the people.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 08, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
Naw pretty sure they have a legitimate reason.

Why would Dems be scared of Trumpy running.  His opponents in the last two election each received more votes than he did.  Duh!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on August 08, 2022, 06:36:20 PM
Anything to keep Trump from running again.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: tom joad on August 08, 2022, 06:41:25 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Mayday on August 08, 2022, 06:52:32 PM
Sounds like democrats are scared of Trump running again and the Jan 6th facade has been a complete failure so I expect them to make up some complete bullshit to try to stop Trump. Pathetic.
The alphabet organizations are the governments terrorists groups against the people.

This.

But it might be best if Trump doesn’t run and someone more moderate take his place.

America on society doesn’t seem to cope when either car ends of left or right are involved, you guys really need a middle ground.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 08, 2022, 06:56:38 PM
They have to find something substantive, and if so, so be it; if not, FBI head Wray and everyone in the hierarchy within two layers of him have to go.  Shining a light on Trump with nothing to show for it will only reinforce the belief that the FBI is corrupt and make Trump more sympathetic.

I will be very surprised and disappointed in the FBI if they find nothing substantive and surprised because I expect their intelligence to be better than that and disappointed that if it wasn't a sure thing that they acted on it anyway.

Then again, the FBI has majorly mucked up investigations in the past. So, who knows?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 08, 2022, 07:00:47 PM
This.

But it might be best if Trump doesn’t run and someone more moderate take his place.

America on society doesn’t seem to cope when either car ends of left or right are involved, you guys really need a middle ground.

Wholeheartedly agree.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: liberty on August 08, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Herne is right....paranoid little kvnts that the Trump Train may ride again.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: obsidian on August 08, 2022, 07:44:16 PM
obsistupid = legitimate dumb ass
You suck LurkerOMoron - HAHAHA!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: tommywishbone on August 08, 2022, 07:45:19 PM
Like I said before, the FBI used to be cool. Now they are simply MBA’s with a guns and no honor or dignity.

Wannabe Nazis without the heart to do any real killing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Marvin Martian on August 08, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
I’m not a huge Trump fan but how can ANYONE not see this for what it is??? We are to believe that Trump is the danger among the hundreds of criminals at the Capitol??
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: tom joad on August 08, 2022, 10:33:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZsc4dZXoAE5mjz?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: beakdoctor on August 08, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Like I said before, the FBI used to be cool. Now they are simply MBA’s with a guns and no honor or dignity.

Wannabe Nazis without the heart to do any real killing.

Perfect summary.

Add no common sense, no 'street' smarts and smug air of superiority to the list of descriptors.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: G_Thang on August 08, 2022, 11:41:12 PM
Yet another distraction!   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 12:13:56 AM
"FBI".. LOL    ::) ::)

They are so afraid of Donald its hilarious.
Very weak, very insane, very corrupt CCP/Commie Party of anti-US pussies.

Obozo/Biden - fake commie socialist "presidents".  ::)

Trumpster has them scared and running...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 12:38:37 AM
The Biden Gestapo will be coming for you as well.
70K armed IRS agents going after middle-class.
Economy in the shitter, worst in history.
Laughed at and disrespected by every country.
Wars breaking out like crazy.
Cover-ups and corruption like never before.
Fake pandemikk money grab while killing citizens w/ clot-shots.

This admin needs to go. Any red-blooded American should not like whats happening, no matter the cult/party.
They are using in to bring in communism/socialism, and like Lemmings you comply.

Easily the dumbest people who have ever existed (Libturdz)...  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 05:42:02 AM
You suck LurkerOMoron - HAHAHA!

Given your beliefs, this doesn’t say much coming from you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 05:46:27 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 05:48:43 AM
It’s funny when people say that anyone is scared of Donald running.  He got less votes than his opponent in the two elections he ran in.   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tom on August 09, 2022, 05:58:00 AM
you people DO realize that wray was appointed by trump himself right? you people DO realize that they have to have a bucket load of probably cause to do this right?...

sure government and politicians are messed up and some are corrupt, some more than others, but to die on the hill of defending a thing like Trump? Come on!.... Pick someone else who actually has done something for the country before they decided to run for office on a whim and who has the same politics/plans for the nation...



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 06:00:37 AM
you people DO realize that wray was appointed by trump himself right? you people DO realize that they have to have a bucket load of probably cause to do this right?...

sure government and politicians are messed up and some are corrupt, some more than others, but to die on the hill of defending a thing like Trump? Come on!.... Pick someone else who actually has done something for the country before they decided to run for office on a whim and who has the same politics/plans for the nation...

Hi Jill Biden
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: beakdoctor on August 09, 2022, 06:01:59 AM
Herne is right....paranoid little kvnts that the Trump Train may ride again.

Herne, has no political beliefs.  He just posts random pics. Ask him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Phantom Spunker on August 09, 2022, 06:08:12 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/PkZZNzA2n4EAAAAC/trump-sad.gif)


'It’s true. We have losers … we have losers. And they’re planting drugs. They’re planting papers. They’re not smart people. They’re putting dildos in my wife’s chest of drawers. It’s true, you can look this up. And look, I love raids. Nobody does a raid better than me - but, the American. Dream. Is dead. It’s dead, folks, can you believe that? But when I come back, I will bring it back bigger, so much bigger. No, really, it’s going to be tremendous.'
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 09, 2022, 06:38:09 AM
I’m not a huge Trump fan but how can ANYONE not see this for what it is??? We are to believe that Trump is the danger among the hundreds of criminals at the Capitol??


The DOJ is a political corrupt organization. That should bother every American.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 06:58:38 AM
you people DO realize that wray was appointed by trump himself right? you people DO realize that they have to have a bucket load of probably cause to do this right?...



No, they don't.  They just see lies and excuses.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 07:35:54 AM
More reason to believe we’re closer to a civil war and more proof that Trump is still the most powerful person in the world

Hey Lurker, have you figured out the difference between a magazine and a clip yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 07:40:03 AM
More reason to believe we’re closer to a civil war and more proof that Trump is still the most powerful person in the world

Hey Lurker, have you figured out the difference between a magazine and a clip yet?

"Clip" always cracks me up...  :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: f450 on August 09, 2022, 07:46:39 AM
went to bed and woke up in a 3rd world tinpot dictatoship. Just wow!

The idiots praising this stuff obviously have no knowledge of history. YOU DO NOT WANT THIS!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: IroNat on August 09, 2022, 07:57:38 AM
It's dark times Harry...dark times.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tom on August 09, 2022, 08:06:50 AM
Royalty: "jill biden".... is that it, is that what you got? This is what a 5 year old does in a discussion...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 08:07:20 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

They need to change the headline to the “fake” Jan 6

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/trump-raid-not-about-classified-documents-its-about-jan-6/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on August 09, 2022, 08:10:04 AM
always wondered in situations like this for anyone involved being raided..... whats to prevent the FBI or any other alphabet agency from planting shit that was never there to begin with and then claiming they found something in a safe
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 09, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Royalty: "jill biden".... is that it, is that what you got? This is what a 5 year old does in a discussion...


Actually 5 year-olds write shit like "probably cause" in their original post, lol. I know- you were too busy thinking of insults to check your grammar.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 09, 2022, 08:15:19 AM
The FBI operates under no political banner...they go after criminals regardless of who it is.  They have by the way intensified the investigation on Hunter Biden as well.

Trump has done a lot of shady things and you guys are not dumb enough to believe otherwise
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Skeletor on August 09, 2022, 08:15:30 AM
always wondered in situations like this for anyone involved being raided..... whats to prevent the FBI or any other alphabet agency from planting shit that was never there to begin with and then claiming they found something in a safe

Nothing. Even if you had evidence they did something illegal they would then investigate themselves and clear themselves of any wrongdoing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Skeletor on August 09, 2022, 08:17:39 AM
The FBI operates under no political banner...they go after criminals regardless of who it is.  They have by the way intensified the investigation on Hunter Biden as well.

Trump has done a lot of shady things and you guys are not dumb enough to believe otherwise

Do you have any insider information on this or are you going by what Wray claimed?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 09, 2022, 08:19:54 AM
Do you have any insider information on this or are you going by what Wray claimed?


https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/hunter-biden-investigation-critical-juncture/index.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 09, 2022, 08:20:15 AM
The US is now officially a banana republic.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 08:21:13 AM
always wondered in situations like this for anyone involved being raided..... whats to prevent the FBI or any other alphabet agency from planting shit that was never there to begin with and then claiming they found something in a safe

Nothing can stop them. They would t allow Trumps lawyers in while they were searching
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Skeletor on August 09, 2022, 08:21:43 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/hunter-biden-investigation-critical-juncture/index.html

CNN:

"investigators weigh possible charges and prosecutors confront Justice Department guidelines to generally avoid bringing politically sensitive cases close to an election"

 ::)

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 09, 2022, 08:23:41 AM
I don’t get the big deal. NA said they went to his house and he had 15 boxes of papers he should’ve left in the White House for them to archive. They give this info to the fbi and they raid the house. Did anyone ask Trump to return the shit? What was so important in these 15 boxes? Not saying he shouldn’t have done it, but the optics look bad. I guess we’ll see.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 09, 2022, 08:26:03 AM
The FBI operates under no political banner...they go after criminals regardless of who it is.  They have by the way intensified the investigation on Hunter Biden as well.

Trump has done a lot of shady things and you guys are not dumb enough to believe otherwise

You are FNG clueless and delusional.   Remember Randy Weaver?  or the Branch Davidians?   Or the fake hoax of the russian dossier the FBI bought in to?   

Being a liberal democrat does not have to mean you buy into every stupid scam tossed your way. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 09:24:09 AM
The FBI operates under no political banner...they go after criminals regardless of who it is.  They have by the way intensified the investigation on Hunter Biden as well.

Trump has done a lot of shady things and you guys are not dumb enough to believe otherwise

Yet you say nothing about what the Biden regime and Biden did in the past present and will continue to do
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: joswift on August 09, 2022, 09:28:15 AM
The FBI operates under no political banner...they go after criminals regardless of who it is.  They have by the way intensified the investigation on Hunter Biden as well.

Trump has done a lot of shady things and you guys are not dumb enough to believe otherwise

has someone sent an e-mail to someone else?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 09:36:04 AM
Yet you say nothing about what the Biden regime and Biden did in the past present and will continue to do

They are all criminals, but Vince, lets not lie about FBI, CIA and others not being "politicized". Dont live in dreamland.
Biden admitted his corruption long ago, so much proof of his shady deals, its scary.

This one is not about Biden though, so far while in office he is untouchable, as Trump has them all scared. Every party, every 3-letter crooked Org, etc.
The fake "insurrection" FBI, CIA more involved than anyone else, probably going after proof Trump has on them.

Very sketchy/shady times we live in. In less than 2-yeawrs these people have destroyed peace and civility.
They love and live for conflict and hate, its what they do... Big deal, nothing will happen with any of this like normal, another distration.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: liberty on August 09, 2022, 09:59:37 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Trump had a chance to change everything on 1/6 but he blinked and now here we are. He is spent. His most loyal supporters are being imprisoned in the federal gulags and he has done nothing about it. Why would anyone support him now?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: sync pulse on August 09, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
Very strange.  The Clintons murdered people. Trump sent mean tweets.

Trump is an espionage agent for whom ever gives him money...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Walter Sobchak on August 09, 2022, 10:21:01 AM
Trump had a chance to change everything on 1/6 but he blinked and now here we are. He is spent. His most loyal supporters are being imprisoned in the federal gulags and he has done nothing about it. Why would anyone support him now?

Then why are the Democrats and RINOs so terrified of him?

Because he is going to be the next President and the DC swamp won’t stop him the 2nd time around.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 10:23:02 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 10:23:45 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Walter Sobchak on August 09, 2022, 10:25:46 AM
Democrats distancing themselves from the corrupt Biden administration
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: tom joad on August 09, 2022, 10:28:50 AM
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Post by: Pray_4_War on August 09, 2022, 10:32:32 AM
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Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

They need to change the headline to the “fake” Jan 6

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/trump-raid-not-about-classified-documents-its-about-jan-6/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

👍

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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 11:18:07 AM
Trump had a chance to change everything on 1/6 but he blinked and now here we are. He is spent. His most loyal supporters are being imprisoned in the federal gulags and he has done nothing about it. Why would anyone support him now?

Why wouldn’t they? There was no “insurrection” he did or said nothing wrong. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s ONLY the Dems opposition that are targeted. Stop feeding off of the literal communist propaganda.

This will only make him and his base stronger, so strong he’s almost guaranteed to win
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 11:20:32 AM
Then why are the Democrats and RINOs so terrified of him?

Because he is going to be the next President and the DC swamp won’t stop him the 2nd time around.

They’re not. The Democrats would like nothing more than to run against Trump in ‘24 (they won’t be running Biden).

The 1/6 protesters were the real deal. They weren’t keyboard warriors. And Trump left them on the battlefield to die.
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Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 11:21:51 AM
They’re not. The Democrats would like nothing more than to run against Trump in ‘24 (they won’t be running Biden).

The 1/6 protesters were the real deal. They weren’t keyboard warriors. And Trump left them on the battlefield to die.

LOL

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 11:22:12 AM
👍

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChC7X3Tj9dz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 11:24:31 AM


The 1/6 protesters were the real deal. They weren’t keyboard warriors. And Trump left them on the battlefield to die.

You mean like Biden did a year ago with Americans left in Afghanistan who some are still there?? You mean left them on the battlefield like that?
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 11:24:35 AM
Why wouldn’t they? There was no “insurrection” he did or said nothing wrong. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s ONLY the Dems opposition that are targeted. Stop feeding off of the literal communist propaganda.

This will only make him and his base stronger, so strong he’s almost guaranteed to win

Do you have any idea what has happened to the lives of the 1/6 protesters and their families? They have been destroyed. Some have turned to suicide. Where is Trump? Has he ever spoken out on their behalf? Raised a nickel for their defense or their families? These people were the potential vanguard of a new republic. General Flynn had the right idea but Trump balked. Maybe DeSantis has bigger balls. Only time will tell.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 11:26:07 AM
It’s funny when people say that anyone is scared of Donald running.  He got less votes than his opponent in the two elections he ran in.   ::)

I hope he runs again. It would be interesting to see the scant number of votes he gets this time round.
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
You mean like Biden did a year ago with Americans left in Afghanistan who some are still there?? You mean left them on the battlefield like that?

Trump should’ve got us out of there when he was in office. He had four years to do so but he didn’t.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 12:08:08 PM
Do you have any idea what has happened to the lives of the 1/6 protesters and their families? They have been destroyed. Some have turned to suicide. Where is Trump? Has he ever spoken out on their behalf? Raised a nickel for their defense or their families? These people were the potential vanguard of a new republic. General Flynn had the right idea but Trump balked. Maybe DeSantis has bigger balls. Only time will tell.

Wasting no time, the Trump campaign is busy seeking donations because his Mar-a-largo home was searched by the FBI. There is no fund raising for the suckers who've been arrested and charged for storming the Capital on January 6.

No doubt the Coach has already sent them his usual $10,000 donation for the month. Question is, how much more can he afford to donate to help Trump with upcoming legal fees because of Monday's FBI raid?

"Donald Trump on Tuesday tried to turn the news of an FBI search of his Florida estate to his benefit, citing the investigation in text messages and emails soliciting political donations from his supporters."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-seeks-raise-money-off-153102270.html."
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Post by: funk51 on August 09, 2022, 12:14:47 PM
Wasting no time, the Trump campaign is busy seeking donations because his Mar-a-largo home was searched by the FBI. There is no fund raising for the suckers who've been arrested and charged for storming the Capital on January 6.

No doubt the Coach has already sent them his usual $10,000 donation for the month. Question is, how much more can he afford to donate to help Trump with upcoming legal fees because of Monday's FBI raid?

"Donald Trump on Tuesday tried to turn the news of an FBI search of his Florida estate to his benefit, citing the investigation in text messages and emails soliciting political donations from his supporters."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-seeks-raise-money-off-153102270.html."
           
     bragging to the very end. ya gotta love him.
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Post by: funk51 on August 09, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
   
    imagine if this would have happened to trump or biden. their reflexes aren't exactly good.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 12:18:11 PM
           
     bragging to the very end. ya gotta love him.

He will 'consider paying legal fees'. Like this will ever happen.  ::)
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Post by: tommywishbone on August 09, 2022, 12:20:07 PM
They’re not. The Democrats would like nothing more than to run against Trump in ‘24 (they won’t be running Biden).

The 1/6 protesters were the real deal. They weren’t keyboard warriors. And Trump left them on the battlefield to die.

Left them on the battlefield to die.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

And HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 12:26:06 PM
Jared would never let Trump do anything for what he considers the rabble that elected and supported Trump. Jared got everything he and his tribe wanted out of the Trump presidency and now they are done with him and his supporters.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 12:41:20 PM
Do you have any idea what has happened to the lives of the 1/6 protesters and their families? They have been destroyed. Some have turned to suicide. Where is Trump? Has he ever spoken out on their behalf? Raised a nickel for their defense or their families? These people were the potential vanguard of a new republic. General Flynn had the right idea but Trump balked. Maybe DeSantis has bigger balls. Only time will tell.

Why and who destroyed their lives? It’s been over a year and people are still being held. He’s never spoken on their behalf? Are you kidding?
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Post by: funk51 on August 09, 2022, 12:47:52 PM
   
   
   
   yup he got their backs. ;D
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 12:48:27 PM
Why and who destroyed their lives? It’s been over a year and people are still being held. He’s never spoken on their behalf? Are you kidding?

The system that you support destroyed their lives,

People are being held and will be held for long periods of time. And others are still to be arrested. They will be persecuted as well. And where is Trump? Show me one statement he has made where he has criticized the sentence of a single protester? Show me one email or letter that he has sent to the family of a 1/6 protester? Show me proof of one cent he has donated to the defense of a single protester? Most of these people are being defended by public defenders who want to see them locked up.

If you’re carrying on about elections, warrants, political parties, etc., you are complicit in everything that is happening. What’s needed now goes beyond the system the globalists and their allies have imposed on us.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 12:48:59 PM
More reason to believe we’re closer to a civil war and more proof that Trump is still the most powerful person in the world

Hey Lurker, have you figured out the difference between a magazine and a clip yet?

Hey Todd, have you figured out how to participate in this civil war over the internet yet?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
Wasting no time, the Trump campaign is busy seeking donations because his Mar-a-largo home was searched by the FBI. There is no fund raising for the suckers who've been arrested and charged for storming the Capital on January 6.

No doubt the Coach has already sent them his usual $10,000 donation for the month. Question is, how much more can he afford to donate to help Trump with upcoming legal fees because of Monday's FBI raid?

"Donald Trump on Tuesday tried to turn the news of an FBI search of his Florida estate to his benefit, citing the investigation in text messages and emails soliciting political donations from his supporters."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-seeks-raise-money-off-153102270.html."



HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA  No surprise here. 

Qoach already donating for the wall scam and Trumpy's new plane.  Now this might get Trumpy a bit more $$$ than his stupid VIP cards he was selling.   :D
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 12:54:28 PM
Nothing can stop them. They would t allow Trumps lawyers in while they were searching

That is what the warrant is for.  They don't need any lawyers in while they are searching.  If lawyers want to get involved, then they can go see the judge that issued the warrant.   :D
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Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
That is what the warrant is for.  They don't need any lawyers in while they are searching.  If lawyers want to get involved, then they can go see the judge that issued the warrant.   :D

AKA... Epstein’s Lawyer
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
The system that you support destroyed their lives,

People are being held and will be held for long periods of time. And others are still to be arrested. They will be persecuted as well. And where is Trump? Show me one statement he has made where he has criticized the sentence of a single protester? Show me one email or letter that he has sent to the family of a 1/6 protester? Show me proof of one cent he has donated to the defense of a single protester? Most of these people are being defended by public defenders who want to see them locked up.

If you’re carrying on about elections, warrants, political parties, etc., you are complicit in everything that is happening. What’s needed now goes beyond the system the globalists and their allies have imposed on us.

I’m at work so I can’t respond but I can say what you said is complete bullshit
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 09, 2022, 01:47:27 PM
That is what the warrant is for.  They don't need any lawyers in while they are searching.  If lawyers want to get involved, then they can go see the judge that issued the warrant.   :D

Hey dumbshit, he’s entitled to have lawyers present.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 02:05:43 PM
AKA... Epstein’s Lawyer

Who appointed that judge?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
Hey dumbshit, he’s entitled to have lawyers present.


HAHAHAHAAHA awwww....  once it is issued lawyers aren't going to do a damn thing.
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Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 09, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
You are FNG clueless and delusional.   Remember Randy Weaver?  or the Branch Davidians?   Or the fake hoax of the russian dossier the FBI bought in to?   

Being a liberal democrat does not have to mean you buy into every stupid scam tossed your way.

Randy Weaver was a racist pos whose family got blasted abd killed for his activities...Branch Davidians speaks for itself...
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Post by: obsidian on August 09, 2022, 02:18:16 PM
If Trump gets back into the White House he should fire all generals that are unwilling to go after the Deep State. A military tribunal should be held where the election fraud is investigated thoroughly. All perpetrators should be executed via firing squad in the Mall in DC. No matter how high ranking they are. If Pelosi and Schumer are found guilty they should receive the same punishment. Nobody is above the law - per her own words.

All Biden orders should be reversed since he was an illegitimate President.

All Deep State agents and leaders should be executed - that includes the Rothschilds. Nobody is above the law. Time to take out the trash permanently.
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Post by: obsidian on August 09, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
That is what the warrant is for.  They don't need any lawyers in while they are searching.  If lawyers want to get involved, then they can go see the judge that issued the warrant.   :D
FBI can't be trusted. They might very well plant evidence. What you don't realize, LurkerOMoron, is the Deep State operates like the Mafia. There are no rules. They will play dirty.
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Post by: B_B_C on August 09, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
get over the faux outrage
the Dems really want Mr Trump to run in 2024 
some Republican insider in the FBI pulled a master stroke here as it greatly enhances Trumps campaign
besides Trump thrives  on pussy grabbing publicity
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 02:24:20 PM
FBI can't be trusted. They might very well plant evidence. What you don't realize, LurkerOMoron, is the Deep State operates like the Mafia. There are no rules. They will play dirty.

 ::)
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Post by: 20inch calves on August 09, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
It's scary how powerful the left is
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Post by: obsidian on August 09, 2022, 02:36:26 PM
It's scary how powerful the left is
They are only powerful because that's the cause the Rothschilds have decided to back. Take away the Rothschilds and others like them and that power will vanish immediately. The head of the snake has to be removed.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 02:52:18 PM
Pretty sure this would not have occurred if the dumb ass hadn't taken 15 boxes of classified documents home with him in the first place or had a habit of flushing documents down the toilets.

Just another situation that the moron brought upon himself. 
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Post by: MAXX on August 09, 2022, 02:55:32 PM
Should have struck down on the zionist left when he had the chance. Instead he tried to allie with the joos. He and US never really stood a chance. Too infiltrated.
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Post by: B_B_C on August 09, 2022, 03:17:11 PM


    Crime is exploding in Democrat-run cities … this is 100% the result of their left-wing policies of defunding the police, backing BLM / ANTIFA, destroying families, and coddling of criminals!

    — Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 23, 2021

    DEFUND THE FBI!

    — Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) August 9, 2022
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Post by: Royalty on August 09, 2022, 03:22:10 PM
Pretty sure this would not have occurred if the dumb ass hadn't taken 15 boxes of classified documents home with him in the first place or had a habit of flushing documents down the toilets.

Just another situation that the moron brought upon himself.

The documents were once classified, but had already been de-classified
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Post by: deadz on August 09, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
Trump Will have the last laugh.
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Post by: illuminati on August 09, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
They are only powerful because that's the cause the Rothschilds have decided to back. Take away the Rothschilds and others like them and that power will vanish immediately. The head of the snake has to be removed.

This x2
Well stated.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 03:53:55 PM
The documents were once classified, but had already been de-classified

While we need a better source than Patel, it still doesn't mean they need to be removed to a private residence.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 04:14:39 PM
ahahhahahahaa

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Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee, excoriated Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia for demanding that the FBI be defunded following its Monday raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.

After Greene tweeted "DEFUND THE FBI!" in an apparent reaction to the news on Monday night, Steele responded in a quote tweet that, "Trump failed to return classified docs requested by the National Archives. A federal judge issued a search warrant for probable cause of a crime. This is not some rando move by the FBI so you shitforbrains Republicans calling for 'defunding the FBI' for once try to be less stupid."
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 04:15:30 PM
hahahahahahah

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A 2016 tweet written by Sarah Huckabee Sanders is making the rounds just hours after Donald Trump confirmed that his Mar-a-Lago home was searched by the FBI executing a federal search warrant on Monday.

"When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing," Huckabee Sanders wrote in Nov. 2016, in reference to the FBI's probe of Hillary Clinton's emails, which was ongoing at the time.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 09, 2022, 04:36:50 PM
▫️

Truth
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 04:46:49 PM
Hey dumbshit, he’s entitled to have lawyers present.

So how does this work? The FBI was/is not required to provide advance notice (for obvious reasons). Neither Trump nor his attorneys can obstruct (delay) the search because to do so is against federal law. Trump was in New York. So, someone at Mar-a-largo calls Trump to tell him the FBI is conducting a search. He calls his attorneys. Assuming they weren't already there, what good would that do? Even if they could get there while the search is still going on all they can do is watch. And there is a good chance his attorneys don't hang out at Mar-a-largo all the time, so by the time they arrived the search could well have been completed.

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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 04:49:13 PM
Pretty sure this would not have occurred if the dumb ass hadn't taken 15 boxes of classified documents home with him in the first place or had a habit of flushing documents down the toilets.

Just another situation that the moron brought upon himself.

And then there is that.
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Post by: 20inch calves on August 09, 2022, 05:08:00 PM
ahahhahahahaa

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Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee, excoriated Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia for demanding that the FBI be defunded following its Monday raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.

After Greene tweeted "DEFUND THE FBI!" in an apparent reaction to the news on Monday night, Steele responded in a quote tweet that, "Trump failed to return classified docs requested by the National Archives. A federal judge issued a search warrant for probable cause of a crime. This is not some rando move by the FBI so you shitforbrains Republicans calling for 'defunding the FBI' for once try to be less stupid."
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The Democrats wanted to defund the police... that is the difference. We definitely need the police more than the FBI
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 05:40:12 PM

The Democrats wanted to defend the police... what is the difference. We definitely need the police more than the FBI

Why do you think we need the police more than the FBI? Could it be because they are more visible and more accessible? One thing the FBI can do that the police cannot is work with crimes that go across state lines and which break federal laws. State laws vary from state to state. Although, it is important to remember that State and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI.

One recent example of this is the current situation with Trump. He may have broken the law forbidding presidents from destroying or mishandling records and classified documents. State and local agencies would have no jurisdiction over this as far as I can tell.

Just as there are local and state constitutions, there is the U.S. constitution and the two can be very different. All laws must comply with the constitution or they are void. The Constitution supersedes all other laws.
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Post by: Moontrane on August 09, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
And what happened on 8 August 1974, 48 years to the day before the search at Mar-a-Lago?

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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 06:01:05 PM
So how does this work? The FBI was/is not required to provide advance notice (for obvious reasons). Neither Trump nor his attorneys can obstruct (delay) the search because to do so is against federal law. Trump was in New York. So, someone at Mar-a-largo calls Trump to tell him the FBI is conducting a search. He calls his attorneys. Assuming they weren't already there, what good would that do? Even if they could get there while the search is still going on all they can do is watch. And there is a good chance his attorneys don't hang out at Mar-a-largo all the time, so by the time they arrived the search could well have been completed.

Fragile X doesn't operate in real time.  It is devoid of facts and logic.  That's why it's a waste to clearly spell out how things work outside of La La Land for Qoach Todd.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
And what happened on 8 August 1974, 48 years to the day before the search at Mar-a-Lago?

Nixon resigned. Trump cannot resign his office because he was voted out of it already.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 06:13:27 PM
 :D
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2022, 06:16:52 PM
Fragile X doesn't operate in real time.  It is devoid of facts and logic.  That's why it's a waste to clearly spell out how things work outside of La La Land for Qoach Todd.

Are you suggesting the Coach has fragile X? And here I was thinking his warped thought processes were a learned behavior pattern. Now you tell be his disability is genetic. This makes me feel very sad for him. At least he inherited an ability to build quality muscle which as we now know is fleeting. Fragile X, especially in males is a devastating genetic condition. Better to be as is Matt and be on the autism spectrum than to suffer fragile X. I have a couple of cousins with fragile X, one male and one female. It can be traced to the paternal side of their heritage (my uncle in law), and therefore no threat to my genetic decedents. 
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Post by: chaos on August 09, 2022, 06:17:45 PM
FBI can't be trusted. They might very well plant evidence. What you don't realize, LurkerOMoron, is the Deep State operates like the Mafia. There are no rules. They will play dirty.
True. Of course getlibs will disagree, until it's their candidate being investigated. ;)
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Post by: tom joad on August 09, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
Why hasn't Trump released the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took?
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Post by: chaos on August 09, 2022, 06:26:24 PM
Why hasn't Trump released the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took?
Why hasn't the FBI ???
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Post by: Moontrane on August 09, 2022, 06:31:22 PM
Nixon resigned. Trump can resign his office because he was voted out of it already.

I believe that the DOJ intentionally picked the anniversary.
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 06:31:43 PM
Trump is a Zionist. Same as all in DC.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 09, 2022, 06:36:05 PM
Why hasn't Trump released the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took?

Probably because it is his secret combination of orange spray paint he uses on his face and his wig collection.
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Post by: Hypertrophy on August 09, 2022, 06:36:45 PM
Trump is a Zionist. Same as all in DC.


No shit sherlock. Our only ally in the Middle East. I guess you must be a member of the PLO, lol


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OlympiaGym on August 09, 2022, 06:40:00 PM

No shit sherlock. Our only ally in the Middle East. I guess you must be a member of the PLO, lol


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Ah, a neo-con.

Why do we need an ally in the Mid East? Why do we need to have anything to do with the Mid East?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 09, 2022, 07:15:54 PM
Feds were there from 9 - 6:30, and the security cameras never stopped rolling.  If nothing comes of this search, Trump will have some of the best campaign footage ever - paid for by the DOJ and FBI (I know, our tax dollars).

Had I been managing Mar-a-Lago I'd have shut off the AC and turned on the heat.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/
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Post by: Dave D on August 09, 2022, 07:46:54 PM
Do you have any idea what has happened to the lives of the 1/6 protesters and their families? They have been destroyed. Some have turned to suicide. Where is Trump? Has he ever spoken out on their behalf? Raised a nickel for their defense or their families? These people were the potential vanguard of a new republic. General Flynn had the right idea but Trump balked. Maybe DeSantis has bigger balls. Only time will tell.

What were they going to do without guns? The  vanguard attempted a violent take over with no weapons?

I wonder what the end game was for these warriors?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on August 09, 2022, 10:09:18 PM
Good. No one is above the law....
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Post by: illuminati on August 09, 2022, 10:18:26 PM
Good. No one is above the law....

As a former Cop you know that statement isn't True.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Pray_4_War on August 09, 2022, 11:22:27 PM
Good. No one is above the law....

Powerful Democrats are frequently proven to be above the law.  That's obvious to anyone who has been paying the littlest bit of attention.

Regardless, the law has fuck-all to do with what the Democrats and their partners in the media and the FBI have been doing to Donald Trump over the last 7 or so years.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 09, 2022, 11:55:06 PM
As a former Cop you know that statement isn't True.

LOL, I know it.. Bidens, Clintons, Obozo's, Hunter... (Could go on for days here).
Dems really are the dumbest humans to have ever existed, LOL  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 10, 2022, 12:25:25 AM
Libz are whiny corrupt fagz, LOL...

----------

The political persecution of President Donald J. Trump has been going on for years, with the now fully debunked Russia, Russia, Russia Scam, Impeachment Hoax #1, Impeachment Hoax #2, and so much more, it just never ends. It is political targeting at the highest level!

 

Hillary Clinton was allowed to delete and acid wash 33,000 E-mails AFTER they were subpoenaed by Congress. Absolutely nothing has happened to hold her accountable. She even took antique furniture, and other items from the White House.

 

I stood up to America’s bureaucratic corruption, I restored power to the people, and truly delivered for our Country, like we have never seen before. The establishment hated it. Now, as they watch my endorsed candidates win big victories, and see my dominance in all polls, they are trying to stop me, and the Republican Party, once more. The lawlessness, political persecution, and Witch Hunt must be exposed and stopped.

 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on August 10, 2022, 12:35:46 AM
American liberal politics & by the way the FBI are carrying on
have descended into who knows what  ::)
All the talk of China / Russia / 3rd world countries & America is now
worse than all put together.

There's countless No. of other's far more deserving of investigating & raiding
Than Donald Trump - This Has turned into a Political Witch hunt & a Disgraceful
State of affairs for a once Great Country.
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Post by: Stutheobald on August 10, 2022, 12:57:48 AM
Why hasn't the FBI ???

why would they?
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Post by: gmflex on August 10, 2022, 02:19:00 AM

   ;D.                                                                     ;D


For all the Trump nuthuggers.. You know who you are..
Donald is damaged goods... This is your best bet for 2024!!!

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      ;D.                                                                   ;D
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Post by: Royalty on August 10, 2022, 03:58:22 AM
   ;D.                                                                     ;D


For all the Trump nuthuggers.. You know who you are..
Donald is damaged goods... This is your best bet for 2024!!!

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      ;D.                                                                   ;D

Would you vote for DeSantis over Biden?
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 10, 2022, 04:00:04 AM
They sent a grandma with cancer to federal prison for simply entering the Capitol on J6. Did Trump so much as issue a one sentence statement condemning this? Of course not. F him. He’s a grifter.
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Post by: Royalty on August 10, 2022, 04:12:05 AM
They sent a grandma with cancer to federal prison for simply entering the Capitol on J6. Did Trump so much as issue a one sentence statement condemning this? Of course not. F him. He’s a grifter.

What is her name? I bet that you write her letters every day.
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 10, 2022, 04:44:49 AM
It's interesting. I think he crossed the line into sedition. I could see that charge. It was the game he chose to play, those werethe stakes, and he lost. But this is the first I've heard about him having documents he isn't supposed to. I would have expected news all the time about something contentious enough that it ends up with a search warrant executed on a former president.

why would they?

To illustrate that the raid was justified. What LE sieze in a raid is on the news all the time. Maybe they're getting around to it but silence makes it look like they got jack shit.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on August 10, 2022, 04:48:03 AM
Who Is Bruce Reinhart? Judge Who Approved FBI Mar-a-Lago Raid

The judge who reportedly signed off on an FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence previously represented some employees of Jeffrey Epstein and has made donations to candidates from both political parties.

Reinhart also spent more than 11 years as an assistant U.S. attorney, but ceased to be a federal prosecutor on January 1, 2008. The next day, Reinhart began working as a defense attorney for certain Epstein employees.

The newspaper also reported in 2011 that Reinhart was named in a lawsuit and accused of violating Justice Department policy by representing the Epstein employees.

Reinhart has also previously donated to both Democratic and Republican political campaigns. In 2008, he gave $1,000 to former President Barack Obama's campaign and a further $1,000 to the Obama Victory Fund.

In 2016, Reinhart donated $500 to the presidential campaign of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination that was eventually won by Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-bruce-reinhart-judge-approved-fbi-mar-lago-raid-donald-trump-florida-1732353



Judge who OK’d Mar-a-Lago raid Obama donor once linked to Jeffrey Epstein

Reinhart was elevated to magistrate judge in March 2018 after 10 years in private practice. That November, the Miami Herald reported that he had represented several of Epstein’s employees — including, by Reinhart’s own admission to the outlet, Epstein’s pilots; his scheduler, Sarah Kellen; and Nadia Marcinkova, who Epstein once reportedly described as his “Yugoslavian sex slave.”

Kellen and Marcinkova were among Epstein’s lieutenants who were granted immunity as part of a controversial 2007 deal with federal prosecutors that allowed the pervert to plead guilty to state charges rather than federal crimes. Epstein wound up serving just 13 months in county jail and was granted work release.

In a 2011 affidavit, Reinhart denied he had done anything improper and insisted that since he was not involved in the federal investigation of Epstein, he was not privy to inside information about the case.

However, in a 2013 court filing, Reinhart’s former colleagues contradicted him, saying that he had “learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter” while employed by the US Attorney’s Office. Reinhart noted to the Herald in response that a complaint filed against him by a lawyer for Epstein’s victims had been dismissed by the Justice Department.

As recently as January of 2015, Reinhart was asked to appear on right-wing channel Newsmax to give analysis of the Epstein fallout — but declined to publicly note his own role in the case.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/
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Post by: Royalty on August 10, 2022, 04:48:13 AM
It's interesting. I think he crossed the line into sedition. I could see that charge. It was the game he chose to play, those werethe stakes, and he lost. But this is the first I've heard about him having documents he isn't supposed to. I would have expected news all the time about something contentious enough that it ends up with a search warrant executed on a former president.

To illustrate that the raid was justified. What LE sieze in a raid is on the news all the time. Maybe they're getting around to it but silence makes it look like they got jack shit.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on August 10, 2022, 04:54:29 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680386.0;attach=1385964;image)

LOL
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 10, 2022, 04:59:26 AM
This will absolutely galvanize Trump supporters. They're people who are sick of agenda driven, heavy handed government.

So the government does something that's easily interpreted as agenda driven, and FBI agents rifling through your wife's undies drawer is definitely heavy handed.

It could even backfire and convince Biden disappoinees, who are legion, that Trump is actually antiestablishment.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 10, 2022, 05:34:51 AM
Even some libturdz question it... All theatre, all fake, etc.

Like their fake collusions and distractions, fake pandemics, fake insurrections.
This, like everything the touch and do, just another fail...  ::) ::)
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 10, 2022, 05:39:21 AM
https://kidotalkradio.com/idaho-grandmother-federal-prison/

Say her name. Trump never will.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 05:47:29 AM
https://kidotalkradio.com/idaho-grandmother-federal-prison/

Say her name. Trump never will.

Trumpy is all about Trumpy.  Fuck his supporters.  Just keep sending money. 

As I said, the only people dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dave D on August 10, 2022, 05:51:42 AM
They sent a grandma with cancer to federal prison for simply entering the Capitol on J6. Did Trump so much as issue a one sentence statement condemning this? Of course not. F him. He’s a grifter.

She was part of the vanguard?

You’re mad at Trump because the democrats threw her in prison?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 10, 2022, 05:53:27 AM
Trumpy is all about Trumpy.  Fuck his supporters.  Just keep sending money. 

As I said, the only people dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.
     
                                                   what do you mean he's a great guy, look at the cool hats he sold us.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on August 10, 2022, 06:02:47 AM
Trumpy is all about Trumpy.  Fuck his supporters.  Just keep sending money. 

As I said, the only people dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.

PedoCuck Angry  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Megalodon on August 10, 2022, 06:43:52 AM
Who Is Bruce Reinhart? Judge Who Approved FBI Mar-a-Lago Raid

The judge who reportedly signed off on an FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence previously represented some employees of Jeffrey Epstein and has made donations to candidates from both political parties.

Reinhart also spent more than 11 years as an assistant U.S. attorney, but ceased to be a federal prosecutor on January 1, 2008. The next day, Reinhart began working as a defense attorney for certain Epstein employees.

The newspaper also reported in 2011 that Reinhart was named in a lawsuit and accused of violating Justice Department policy by representing the Epstein employees.

Reinhart has also previously donated to both Democratic and Republican political campaigns. In 2008, he gave $1,000 to former President Barack Obama's campaign and a further $1,000 to the Obama Victory Fund.

In 2016, Reinhart donated $500 to the presidential campaign of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination that was eventually won by Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-bruce-reinhart-judge-approved-fbi-mar-lago-raid-donald-trump-florida-1732353



Judge who OK’d Mar-a-Lago raid Obama donor once linked to Jeffrey Epstein

Reinhart was elevated to magistrate judge in March 2018 after 10 years in private practice. That November, the Miami Herald reported that he had represented several of Epstein’s employees — including, by Reinhart’s own admission to the outlet, Epstein’s pilots; his scheduler, Sarah Kellen; and Nadia Marcinkova, who Epstein once reportedly described as his “Yugoslavian sex slave.”

Kellen and Marcinkova were among Epstein’s lieutenants who were granted immunity as part of a controversial 2007 deal with federal prosecutors that allowed the pervert to plead guilty to state charges rather than federal crimes. Epstein wound up serving just 13 months in county jail and was granted work release.

In a 2011 affidavit, Reinhart denied he had done anything improper and insisted that since he was not involved in the federal investigation of Epstein, he was not privy to inside information about the case.

However, in a 2013 court filing, Reinhart’s former colleagues contradicted him, saying that he had “learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter” while employed by the US Attorney’s Office. Reinhart noted to the Herald in response that a complaint filed against him by a lawyer for Epstein’s victims had been dismissed by the Justice Department.

As recently as January of 2015, Reinhart was asked to appear on right-wing channel Newsmax to give analysis of the Epstein fallout — but declined to publicly note his own role in the case.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Never1AShow on August 10, 2022, 07:16:26 AM
Why hasn't Trump released the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took?

What would this show?  Does he even have a copy?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 07:28:10 AM

HAHAHAHAAHA awwww....  once it is issued lawyers aren't going to do a damn thing.

You really are a stupid fuck, aren’t ya? Between you and Prime

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OlympiaGym on August 10, 2022, 07:44:27 AM
She was part of the vanguard?

You’re mad at Trump because the democrats threw her in prison?

What have you done?

Trump obviously supports it. He hasn’t condemned it that’s for sure. And he certainly speaks his mind about other things. Trump won’t go near the J6 protesters. What fools they must feel like for supporting this guy who has completely abandoned them.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 10, 2022, 07:47:21 AM
Why hasn't Trump released the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took?

Why didn't Toronto make any meaningful upgrades at the trade deadline?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dave D on August 10, 2022, 07:55:45 AM
What have you done?

Trump obviously supports it. He hasn’t condemned it that’s for sure. And he certainly speaks his mind about other things. Trump won’t go near the J6 protesters. What fools they must feel like for supporting this guy who has completely abandoned them.

I’ve done the same as you, posting with a vengeance on Getbig!   

Keyboard warriors!
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 10, 2022, 08:49:39 AM
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Post by: Royalty on August 10, 2022, 08:51:46 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 10, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
▫️

Basically ^^^

And let's be honest, Trump is just their latest "scare", he's pretty old, when he's not around it will be the next Pubtard, and the next one after that. (Who the attack 24x7).
The dems are commie-fukks who are trying to change the country to be like Venezuela and other 3rd world shit-holes.
Only the libtard sheep (many) are too stupid to see this.

Its all about their hurt feelings and h ow girlishly sensitive they are. IF they had balls, they would love how things were in the US and just wait for him to be gone.
(While enjoying how amazing things were otherwise).
Sort of like how Pubz did w/ Obozo, mainly left him alone (especially compared to 2016 - 2020,Dems went full batshit crazy).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 09:50:43 AM
Poll Reveals Just How Much the Jan. 6 Committee Has Failed

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/08/10/poll-reveals-just-how-much-the-jan-6-committee-has-failed-n609919
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 10:38:50 AM
You really are a stupid fuck, aren’t ya? Between you and Prime

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app


Awwww poor dumb ass.  Thinking Trumpy or lawyers could do anything.

Everyday you catch a size 12 right to ovaries with your delusional postings.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 11:00:20 AM
It was a beautiful raid.  The most beautiful raid.  It was the best raid.  I got a call from the FBI telling me what a magnificent raid it was.  They said Hillary would never get a raid this good.  I have the best raids ever.  Believe me. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 11:11:01 AM
It was a beautiful raid.  The most beautiful raid.  It was the best raid.  I got a call from the FBI telling me what a magnificent raid it was.  They said Hillary would never get a raid this good.  I have the best raids ever.  Believe me.

How does it feel to get kicked in the nuts every time you post, Benito?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 11:18:42 AM
How does it feel to get kicked in the nuts every time you post, Benito?

Since I don’t, I wouldn’t know.  Maybe you can share your experience with us. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 11:21:14 AM
What?  What is it Duhnold?  Your healthcare plan?  Your plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days?   Actual evidence of the big lie?   What?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 11:21:50 AM
Since I don’t, I wouldn’t know.  Maybe you can share your experience with us.

Every.Time.You.Post about politics
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
Every.Time.You.Post about politics

If you believe that, then the opposite must be true.  That's how things usually turn out for you on here Mr. Conspiracy Theory.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 10, 2022, 12:30:19 PM
Why hasn't the FBI ???

Can they release it?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 10, 2022, 12:32:53 PM
I believe that the DOJ intentionally picked the anniversary.

Could be, one never knows what is behind the timing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 10, 2022, 01:47:02 PM
Between this raid and Trumpy deposition today, you can be assured that somewhere in Trump Tower a fresh coating of Heinz is being applied to the walls.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 10, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
why would they?
Why would Trump ???
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 10, 2022, 05:23:37 PM
Good. No one is above the law....
Apparently Hunter Biden measuring cocaine and banging hookers on film is no big deal? Emails implicating "the big man" are swept under the rug and completely ignored.
But the FBI is used as an attack force against Bidens political opponent and it's a good thing? Why are you a communist?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 10, 2022, 05:24:57 PM
I’m very interested to know what’s in these boxes. If they come up with a big nothing burger, it’ll look bad for dems.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 10, 2022, 05:25:37 PM
Can they release it?
Can Trump ???
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 10, 2022, 05:27:03 PM
I’m very interested to know what’s in these boxes. If they come up with a big nothing burger, it’ll look bad for dems.
Planted "evidence" for sure. The alphabet mafia is the governments terrorist tools against the people and now their political rivals. Sketchy times we live in. Be prepared.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OAK on August 10, 2022, 06:07:00 PM
Must be innocent.

🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Teutonic Knight on August 10, 2022, 06:25:57 PM
Must be innocent.

🙄🙄🙄

Prediction  ;) : in the near future, the F.B.I. will be raiding Volodymyr Zelensky $ 25 millions house in Florida.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Pray_4_War on August 10, 2022, 06:49:52 PM
Must be innocent.

🙄🙄🙄

That's not how the 5th Amendment works.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 10, 2022, 07:26:15 PM
Apparently Hunter Biden measuring cocaine and banging hookers on film is no big deal? Emails implicating "the big man" are swept under the rug and completely ignored.
But the FBI is used as an attack force against Bidens political opponent and it's a good thing? Why are you a communist?

So is the implication that Joe Biden was also doing coke and banging hookers?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: GymnJuice on August 10, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
So is the implication that Joe Biden was also doing coke and banging hookers?

As demonstrated on Getbig, Joe Biden is of the age where sex videos are sent to him, not made of him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 10, 2022, 07:32:06 PM
As demonstrated on Getbig, Joe Biden is of the age where sex videos are sent to him, not made of him.

Well played. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 10, 2022, 08:17:35 PM
So is the implication that Joe Biden was also doing coke and banging hookers?
Like father like son? Apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Takes one to know one? Two peas in a pod? One kiddy sniffer/one coke sniffer?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 10, 2022, 08:22:28 PM
So is the implication that Joe Biden was also doing coke and banging hookers?

If he was able to do so, I'd feel better about his cognitive status.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 10, 2022, 09:16:01 PM
If he was able to do so, I'd feel better about his cognitive status.

Fox dedicated a whole segment today on his troubling cough. 
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Post by: OAK on August 10, 2022, 09:23:47 PM
😆
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Walter Sobchak on August 10, 2022, 10:14:08 PM
President Donald Trump doesn’t owe anything to NY AG Letitia James.

He should have emailed her a Matt Canning “Primehomosexual Love” jerkoff video and told her to go get fucked.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 10:45:47 PM
Good. No one is above the law....

lol…this is satire
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 10, 2022, 10:50:42 PM
Trumpy is all about Trumpy.  Fuck his supporters.  Just keep sending money. 

As I said, the only people dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.

I literally put every Biden regime supporters in the category of communist or communist sympathizers and are responsible for literally everything that’s happening now. That being said, communists should be purged



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/trump-shatters-fundraising-records-bidens-fbi-raids-mar-lago/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: MAXX on August 11, 2022, 02:45:22 AM
US is a complete clown state today.

Completly infiltrated by the enemy. The election was a joke and a farse. And now they're trying to jail the oposition to not have to make the cheating election too obvious..

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 11, 2022, 03:02:07 AM


https://mobile.twitter.com/sebgorka/status/1557547955762208768?s=10&t=LiqFb5YOplrfrm5bwEyAHQ

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 11, 2022, 03:41:59 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 11, 2022, 05:38:56 AM
 
    he is prolific   ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 11, 2022, 05:41:20 AM
   
    he is smart. :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 11, 2022, 06:24:52 AM
it never ends. ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 06:30:55 AM
Fox dedicated a whole segment today on his troubling cough.

Why do you watch Fox?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on August 11, 2022, 06:33:24 AM
Why anyone watches any fake news is beyond me... All braindead / talking head retards...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 06:51:59 AM
I literally put every Biden regime supporters in the category of communist or communist sympathizers and are responsible for literally everything that’s happening now. That being said, communists should be purged



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/trump-shatters-fundraising-records-bidens-fbi-raids-mar-lago/

I put Trumpturds as the biggest retards in the world.  You prove it everyday.

Now send the grifter more money.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 07:38:04 AM
I put Trumpturds as the biggest retards in the world.  You prove it everyday.

Now send the grifter more money.

No one gives a shit 😂

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/jan-6-hearings-not-impacting-public-opinion-poll?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjtn
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 07:40:45 AM
it never ends. ;D

Three of the ones who get owned on here more than anyone when it comes to politics are you, lurker/Strawman and Prime lol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on August 11, 2022, 08:03:04 AM
I put Trumpturds as the biggest retards in the world.  You prove it everyday.

Now send the grifter more money.

Says the infamous PedoCuck of the board.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 11, 2022, 08:40:18 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 08:45:47 AM
No one gives a shit 😂

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/jan-6-hearings-not-impacting-public-opinion-poll?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjtn

Those like LNM are merely parroting the MSM in the  hopes of upsetting those that not only know better but work harder at living for and giving to their families instead of taking from others in the name of "fairness".

It does not take a smart person to see what the "sinfluencers" of the MSM have done, just someone with that which is now all to uncommon.  Common sense.  You have it and so do many others here and in the real world. And what is needed is for us to live it.  Be well, brother.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 09:18:19 AM
Those like LNM are merely parroting the MSM in the  hopes of upsetting those that not only know better but work harder at living for and giving to their families instead of taking from others in the name of "fairness".

It does not take a smart person to see what the "sinfluencers" of the MSM have done, just someone with that which is now all to uncommon.  Common sense.  You have it and so do many others here and in the real world. And what is needed is for us to live it.  Be well, brother.

Happy to see you back 🙏
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 11:13:31 AM
Three of the ones who get owned on here more than anyone when it comes to politics are you, lurker/Strawman and Prime lol


So says the geriatric retard that is never right.  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 11:15:57 AM
Those like LNM are merely parroting the MSM in the  hopes of upsetting those that not only know better but work harder at living for and giving to their families instead of taking from others in the name of "fairness".

It does not take a smart person to see what the "sinfluencers" of the MSM have done, just someone with that which is now all to uncommon.  Common sense.  You have it and so do many others here and in the real world. And what is needed is for us to live it.  Be well, brother.

Idiot words. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 11:16:58 AM
You know if Trumpy wanted to really back his story up he would release the details of the warrant and the items they seized.  He is free to do so.  Why hasn’t he?    :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 11, 2022, 11:42:08 AM
Why do you watch Fox?

I watch a little bit of everything. Including Fox and Newsmax.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 11:43:24 AM
I watch a little bit of everything. Including Fox and Newsmax.

Gotcha....I'll watch a fox clip if it's posted here or on twitter, but can't watch politics on tv, especially if it's one of the really biased sites, regardless of which side they're on.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tom on August 11, 2022, 11:47:59 AM
LurkerNoMore: ... why didn't he willing testify under oath to PROVE everyone is lying, wrong, corrupt (but him of course)..

why did he plead the 5th as well as his adult children on other matters, when he stated that anyone who pleads the 5th must be guilty?

why did he say that anyone who doesn't release their taxes running for president must have something to hide (him mentioning romney by name who eventually did release his taxes) but didn't and still hasn't done so himself and made up lie after lie after lie on why he "couldn't"....

it goes on and on and on and these trump worshippers ignore or, don't want to hear, didn't hear it and don't believe it when told, etc...

the difference or one difference is that we don't worship biden, or any politician, they do worship trump, TRUMP of all people! The man who laughs at them, insults them, "i could shoot someone and not lose any supporters!', "how stupid are the people of Iowa?!", who uses them and didn't know they existed or wanted to know they existed until he decided to run for office....

the man who was born on 3rd base, the man who hobnobbed with hollywood (you know those evil liberal hollywood elites!) and worked in hollywood, the man who had how many deferments to not serve in the military, whose entire family never did, the man who made fun of the handicapped in public at a rally, made fun of gold star families, who SCREAMS AND REEKS of being one of those "elites" that they profess to hate, and they eat it and eat up trump.

yes, most politicians suck and/or corrupt, and yes, there is alot wrong going on in washington d.c. republican and democrat and always have,  but jesus christ if you believe in whatever trump says he believes in or wants to do, right wing/republicans you can't find ANYONE ELSE that would do the same things, the whatever trump would do and vote for that person instead of this thing called trump?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 11:49:13 AM
Idiot words.

Not really.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 11, 2022, 11:49:23 AM
Gotcha....I'll watch a fox clip if it's posted here or on twitter, but can't watch politics on tv, especially if it's one of the really biased sites, regardless of which side they're on.

When I'm waking up and having my coffee, I basically flip btw the 4. I don't have any one channel or program that I have to watch on a daily basis.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tom on August 11, 2022, 11:52:49 AM
one of the worst creations in the past few decades was the creation of 24 hour news networks including "opinion hosts", on either side of the political spectrum...

The only news one should watch is their local news to find out what is going on in their own world and then some information from elsewhere...

then again, the problem with so so many Americans are they are too "local" too "regional" and not a clue as to the rest of the world...

So then again, perhaps all different forms of media from various sources for international and national news is the way to go?....
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 12:01:49 PM
LurkerNoMore: ... why didn't he willing testify under oath to PROVE everyone is lying, wrong, corrupt (but him of course)..

why did he plead the 5th as well as his adult children on other matters, when he stated that anyone who pleads the 5th must be guilty?

why did he say that anyone who doesn't release their taxes running for president must have something to hide (him mentioning romney by name who eventually did release his taxes) but didn't and still hasn't done so himself and made up lie after lie after lie on why he "couldn't"....

it goes on and on and on and these trump worshippers ignore or, don't want to hear, didn't hear it and don't believe it when told, etc...

the difference or one difference is that we don't worship biden, or any politician, they do worship trump, TRUMP of all people! The man who laughs at them, insults them, "i could shoot someone and not lose any supporters!', "how stupid are the people of Iowa?!", who uses them and didn't know they existed or wanted to know they existed until he decided to run for office....

the man who was born on 3rd base, the man who hobnobbed with hollywood (you know those evil liberal hollywood elites!) and worked in hollywood, the man who had how many deferments to not serve in the military, whose entire family never did, the man who made fun of the handicapped in public at a rally, made fun of gold star families, who SCREAMS AND REEKS of being one of those "elites" that they profess to hate, and they eat it and eat up trump.

yes, most politicians suck and/or corrupt, and yes, there is alot wrong going on in washington d.c. republican and democrat and always have,  but jesus christ if you believe in whatever trump says he believes in or wants to do, right wing/republicans you can't find ANYONE ELSE that would do the same things, the whatever trump would do and vote for that person instead of this thing called trump?

Yes, he has his rabid idiots for sure, but the "resistance"  ::) ::) side against him has the same fervor, lunacy, and cultism.  He has made many an adult lose their minds.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 12:16:16 PM
Not really.

Totally and completely. Par for course with you anyway. No surprise there.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 11, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
it never ends. ;D

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680386.0;attach=1386166;image)

Marco Rubio is both, and to the extreme.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 11, 2022, 12:24:46 PM
Why anyone watches any fake news is beyond me... All braindead / talking head retards...

Are you saying you believe FOX is fake news? This is very interesting. I never would have guess that you would take this position.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: BlackMetallic on August 11, 2022, 12:25:23 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 12:27:32 PM
I put Trumpturds as the biggest retards in the world.  You prove it everyday.

Now send the grifter more money.

At least you're not denying it
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 12:28:39 PM


So says the geriatric retard that is never right.  ::)

You need to do better than that
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 12:31:52 PM
You know if Trumpy wanted to really back his story up he would release the details of the warrant and the items they seized.  He is free to do so.  Why hasn’t he?    :D

The raid was set up purposely while he was in Manhattan and didn't know about it then....dipshit
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 11, 2022, 12:35:10 PM
I put Trumpturds as the biggest retards in the world.  You prove it everyday.

Now send the grifter more money.

Got a text from Trump today asking for money.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Skeletor on August 11, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
it never ends. ;D

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680386.0;attach=1386166;image)

False but what do you expect from fringe groups like Occupy Democrats. Reinhart was not "actually appointed by Trump himself". Reinhart is a magistrate judge. Magistrate judges are appointed by district judges.


https://www.uscourts.gov/faqs-federal-judges#faq--What-are-federal-magistrate-judges?

Quote
A U.S. magistrate judge is a judicial officer of the district court and is appointed by majority vote of the active district judges of the court to exercise jurisdiction over matters assigned by statute as well as those delegated by the district judges. The number of magistrate judge positions is determined by the Judicial Conference of the United States, based on recommendations of the respective district courts, the judicial councils of the circuits, and the Director of the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. A full-time magistrate judge serves a term of eight years. Duties assigned to magistrate judges by district court judges may vary considerably from court to court.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 11, 2022, 01:05:55 PM
False but what do you expect from fringe groups like Occupy Democrats. Reinhart was not "actually appointed by Trump himself". Reinhart is a magistrate judge. Magistrate judges are appointed by district judges.


https://www.uscourts.gov/faqs-federal-judges#faq--What-are-federal-magistrate-judges?

You are right, US Presidents do not appoint magistrate judges which means Obama didn't appoint him either.

However, Trump did appoint Christopher Wray the current Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

So, what is Judge Reinhart's connection to Obama? Well, he once made a political donation to Obama.

Just as irrelevant is that Bruce Reinhart once worked for Jeffrey Epstein.

Both these coincidences are good examples of how often there are only 6 degrees of separation from one person to another.  And, what a small world this is. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OAK on August 11, 2022, 01:15:24 PM
That’s interesting.

🤔
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Megalodon on August 11, 2022, 01:19:48 PM
False but what do you expect from fringe groups like Occupy Democrats. Reinhart was not "actually appointed by Trump himself". Reinhart is a magistrate judge. Magistrate judges are appointed by district judges.


https://www.uscourts.gov/faqs-federal-judges#faq--What-are-federal-magistrate-judges?


Good post. Even the left's own rags say that people who claim Reinhart was appointed by Trump are liars but they continue to post lies.


For liars who happen to be on the left :D  Newsweek will explain it to you:

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-trump-appoint-judge-who-approved-fbi-mar-lago-raid-1732495
 (https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-trump-appoint-judge-who-approved-fbi-mar-lago-raid-1732495)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 11, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
That’s interesting.

🤔

yeah because we have not had thugs and creeps in office like obama and biden 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 01:21:32 PM
At least you're not denying it

Why should I when you keep proving it day after day on here.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 01:23:18 PM
You need to do better than that

Reality does it for me Todd.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 01:24:59 PM
The raid was set up purposely while he was in Manhattan and didn't know about it then....dipshit

He was given a copy of the warrant and he was given a copy of any items removed.  He can easily do so today.  But he hasn’t.  Why?  Why wouldn’t he want to prove his side of the story?   Hahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
He was given a copy of the warrant and he was given a copy of any items removed.  He can easily do so today.  But he hasn’t.  Why?  Why wouldn’t he want to prove his side of the story?   Hahahaha

You fucking idiot. They even had a subpoena but raided the house before the subpoena was received.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: deadz on August 11, 2022, 01:49:32 PM
Trump will have this all sorted out shortly the lawsuits will be flying.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 02:21:10 PM
Garland guaranteed Trumps re-election
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 02:49:22 PM
You fucking idiot. They even had a subpoena but raided the house before the subpoena was received.

Warrants trumps subpoena.  Is being stupid painful?  You seem to be suffering.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 11, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
He was given a copy of the warrant and he was given a copy of any items removed.  He can easily do so today.  But he hasn’t.  Why?  Why wouldn’t he want to prove his side of the story?   Hahahaha


It’ll be interesting here tomorrow when Garland gets the warrant made public. Unless Trump puts up a fight, in which case we’ll have to wait. Although, since Garland ok’d the warrant, I suspect he’s aware of what it says so it must be something that exonerates the FBI of doing this for political reasons, no?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 03:57:50 PM

It’ll be interesting here tomorrow when Garland gets the warrant made public. Unless Trump puts up a fight, in which case we’ll have to wait. Although, since Garland ok’d the warrant, I suspect he’s aware of what it says so it must be something that exonerates the FBI of doing this for political reasons, no?

If the contents of the warrant or whatever they removed were not damaging then Trumpy would have already been whine posting it.

If Trumpy fights Garland not to post it, hahahha then we know it was pretty accurate. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 04:28:27 PM
https://truthsocial.com/users/FrontPageScott/statuses/108806620380479004
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 04:33:52 PM
Totally and completely. Par for course with you anyway. No surprise there.

You have absolutely no idea what truly goes on within D.C.  Trust me on this.  Mr. Trump may not be a "man of the people", i.e., a man identical unto the masses, but he is most definitely a Man for the People.

Mr. Biden is as a great many Dems are in public and RINOs in private:  A man against the People because he feels they and the foundational laws and documents that were written by the Founding Fathers, are beneath such as he.   The laws are not merely "beneath" him (like the common People), but more because he and his kind are above such ruling statutes. 

Nope.

Like I said, you have no true idea of what goes on in D.C. and beyond.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 04:41:32 PM
Warrants trumps subpoena.  Is being stupid painful?  You seem to be suffering.

“They have to explain why they went for a warrant instead of a subpoena”

Just.Stop.Talking

https://rumble.com/v1ffeob-the-cabal-to-destroy-trump.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mark+Levin+Show&ep=1
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 04:50:23 PM
Court Removes Page for Judge Who Approved Raid of Trump’s Home



A federal court in Florida has removed the webpage for the judge who signed off on the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s home.

The page for U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart was taken down on Aug. 10, archived versions of it confirm.


“No information at this time,” the computer operations manager for the court, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, told The Epoch Times.

A deputy clerk for the clerk did not pick up the phone or return a voicemail.

The page contained Reinhart’s biography, his email address, directions to the courthouse at which he works, the phone number for his chambers, the number for his deputy, and the names of the deputy and the judge’s law clerks.

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The pages for all of the other magistrate judges for the court remain online.

Signed Off on Raid

Reinhart, who was appointed to his position by other judges, has confirmed that he was the judge who approved the FBI’s raid of Trump’s Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago.

The resort was raided on Aug. 8 by approximately two dozen agents, one of Trump’s lawyers told The Epoch Times.

Christina Bobb, the lawyer, said Reinhart’s name was listed as the approving judge on the search warrant agents gave to Trump representatives.

The warrant and the supporting materials, such as an affidavit outlining why the FBI was asking for a warrant, remain sealed. But Reinhart responded to requests to unseal the material, which identify the warrant as the one used to raid Trump’s resort, by ordering the Department of Justice to respond to the requests, indirectly confirming that he approved the warrant.

The government’s response to the requests to unseal, filed by nonprofit Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union, may be filed under seal “to avoid disclosing matters already under seal,” Reinhart said in a brief order.

The response must be filed by 5 p.m. on Aug. 15.

It has not yet been filed.

Neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice have explained why the raid took place. Lawyers for Trump say agents were looking for classified and presidential materials. Earlier this year, U.S. archivist David Ferriero told Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), the chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee, that there were classified materials discovered in boxes of records that were transferred from Trump’s residence to the National Archives in January.

Judge’s History

Reinhart was a trial attorney for the Department of Justice from 1988 to 1996, when he transitioned to being an assistant U.S. attorney based in West Palm Beach. He was involved with the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, who ultimately avoided federal prosecution in exchange for pleading guilty to a single state charge of soliciting a minor.

Shortly after the plea deal was reached, Reinhart left the government and spent ten years in private practice.

Among those he represented were Epstein’s housekeeper and pilots, according to court filings.

Reinhart became a magistrate judge on March 14, 2018.

Reinhart’s wife, Carolyn Bell, is also a judge. She was appointed by then-Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, to a state circuit court in 2018.

Reinhart shared the announcement on Facebook.

On the same page, Reinhart criticized then-President-elect Trump, taking issue with Trump’s criticism of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who has since passed away.

“I generally ignore the President-elect’s tweets, but not this one,” Reinhart wrote, adding later that he agreed with the statement, “Donald Trump doesn’t have the moral stature to kiss John Lewis’s feet

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 04:58:02 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 05:00:06 PM
You have absolutely no idea what truly goes on within D.C.  Trust me on this.  Mr. Trump may not be a "man of the people", i.e., a man identical unto the masses, but he is most definitely a Man for the People.

Mr. Biden is as a great many Dems are in public and RINOs in private:  A man against the People because he feels they and the foundational laws and documents that were written by the Founding Fathers, are beneath such as he.   The laws are not merely "beneath" him (like the common People), but more because he and his kind are above such ruling statutes. 

Nope.

Like I said, you have no true idea of what goes on in D.C. and beyond.

You have no idea of what goes on in DC or anywhere else.  The “real world” has long since disconnected from your perception.  That’s a lot of words to just say nothing.  But then again Trumpturds are known for that.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 05:02:11 PM
“They have to explain why they went for a warrant instead of a subpoena”

Just.Stop.Talking

https://rumble.com/v1ffeob-the-cabal-to-destroy-trump.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mark+Levin+Show&ep=1

They don’t have to explain shit.  They already proved their probable cause and got the warrant.  They don’t need a fucking subpoena.  Damn you are stupid.  Not just dumb or uneducated but flat out stupid. 

Rumble?  “lol…oh boy”

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 05:12:03 PM
They don’t have to explain shit.  They already proved their probable cause and got the warrant.  They don’t need a fucking subpoena.  Damn you are stupid.  Not just dumb or uneducated but flat out stupid. 

Rumble?  “lol…oh boy”

Oh, but you think Trump has to explain…AOC stupid
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 05:14:39 PM
Oh, but you think Trump has to explain…AOC stupid

He doesn’t have to do anything.  But whine and cry which is exactly what he will do. JUST LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT.  If he wanted to prove something instead of throwing a tantrum he would release the contents of the warrant and what was seized.  So everyone could see just how wrong it was.   ;D

The fact this has to be explained to your stupid ass only highlights how retarded you truly are. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 05:28:41 PM
You have no idea of what goes on in DC or anywhere else.  The “real world” has long since disconnected from your perception.  That’s a lot of words to just say nothing.  But then again Trumpturds are known for that.

Not so.  And in like fashion, I know far more of the real world than you do.  If you choose to believe otherwise, fine.  I am not here to change the diaper that is your mind.   I state what I know to be true.  You choose to not believe.  Not a problem for me.  The truth is the truth, regardless of your petty piety and incessant kowtowing toward the mecca of maroons. 

You know nothing of the reality of the depraved and this in spite of the life you have chosen.  If you did, you would shit yourself more often than does Mr. Biden. 

 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
Not so.  And in like fashion, I know far more of the real world than you do.  If you choose to believe otherwise, fine.  I am not here to change the diaper that is your mind.   I state what I know to be true.  You choose to not believe.  Not a problem for me.  The truth is the truth, regardless of your petty piety and incessant kowtowing toward the mecca of maroons. 

You know nothing of the reality of the depraved and this in spite of the life you have chosen.  If you did, you would shit yourself more often than does Mr. Biden.

You don’t know shit.  Therefore the rest of your weak ass spiel is irrelevant.

Your constant references to shitting things makes me wonder how often the nursing home aide changes your bed pan.  Or else you just have a scat fetish. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 06:15:17 PM
You don’t know shit.  Therefore the rest of your weak ass spiel is irrelevant.

Your constant references to shitting things makes me wonder how often the nursing home aide changes your bed pan.  Or else you just have a scat fetish.

How pedestrian of you, Sarah Jane.  I know much more than you, ace.  Like many people I have met in the real world, you are a pathetic little  voice, crying out in the shillderness.  A talent-less mental midgie, incapable of intelligent discourse with anyone that disagrees with your pathetic party line.

Those like you have been festering in the worlds of education and law enfarcement for some time now.  They are also in the military.  They would say a leopard can't change it's spots but a man can be called a woman or a woman a man.   And worse.

When it happens, I seriously doubt you'll make it back. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 06:17:47 PM
Garland moves to unseal the warrant served on Trumpy.

Trumpy could release it himself but instead is considering fighting the release of it.

WHY?



Hahahahahahaha.  Move along. Nothing to see here.  Send more money you suckers. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
How pedestrian of you, Sarah Jane.  I know much more than you, ace.  Like many people I have met in the real world, you are a pathetic little  voice, crying out in the shillderness.  A talent-less mental midgie, incapable of intelligent discourse with anyone that disagrees with your pathetic party line.

Those like you have been festering in the worlds of education and law enfarcement for some time now.  They are also in the military.  They would say a leopard can't change it's spots but a man can be called a woman or a woman a man.   And worse.

When it happens, I seriously doubt you'll make it back.

Want to try again.  I see that nearly dying didn’t do anything for your intellect. 

“Real world”… you mean that one that has passed you by? 

The brain damage you suffered as a child and told us about hasn’t been kind to you in your old age. Sorry to hurt your feeeeellings but your real world cRap and reality are two different things.  But I won’t begrudge you whatever you need to believe this late for having been dealt a shitty hand and only an internet board as your only outlet for self loathing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 11, 2022, 06:26:25 PM
Guess the fbi was used to distract from the mess of this administration. Keep the idiots interested in what Trump might have done and they won't pay attention to what this administration is actually doing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on August 11, 2022, 06:47:44 PM
Want to try again.  I see that nearly dying didn’t do anything for your intellect. 

“Real world”… you mean that one that has passed you by? 

The brain damage you suffered as a child and told us about hasn’t been kind to you in your old age. Sorry to hurt your feeeeellings but your real world cRap and reality are two different things.  But I won’t begrudge you whatever you need to believe this late for having been dealt a shitty hand and only an internet board as your only outlet for self loathing.

Still in a barrel I see.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
He doesn’t have to do anything.  But whine and cry which is exactly what he will do. JUST LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT.  If he wanted to prove something instead of throwing a tantrum he would release the contents of the warrant and what was seized.  So everyone could see just how wrong it was.   ;D

The fact this has to be explained to your stupid ass only highlights how retarded you truly are.

You’re right, he doesn’t. Move on tard. If he runs, Garland just re-elected him. Get used the mean Truths
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 06:51:57 PM
They don’t have to explain shit.  They already proved their probable cause and got the warrant.  They don’t need a fucking subpoena.  Damn you are stupid.  Not just dumb or uneducated but flat out stupid. 

Rumble?  “lol…oh boy”

Yes, rumble

https://truthsocial.com/users/rumble/statuses/108806038904392689
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 07:12:30 PM
Yes, rumble

https://truthsocial.com/users/rumble/statuses/108806038904392689

Truth?  Isn’t that the one Trumpy was removed from?   :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OAK on August 11, 2022, 07:17:20 PM
Too funny!

😆
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 11, 2022, 07:32:07 PM
Too funny!

😆

I don't get it.  Is it about Trump putting ketchup on well done steaks?  ???
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 11, 2022, 07:43:50 PM
Too funny!

😆

LMFAO!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 07:53:16 PM
Still in a barrel I see.

Still a useless typist I see.  ::)

Still can’t post without regurgitating the same tired ass old nothingness. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 07:55:05 PM
You’re right, he doesn’t. Move on tard. If he runs, Garland just re-elected him. Get used the mean Truths


Hahahahaha.  That’s the point. He doesn’t have to do shit you dumb fuck.  Because Garland is going to do it himself.  Tomorrow.  Hahahaha.   Garland just master trolled Trumpy and shut his little tantrum down. 

Get used to more kicks in your ovaries.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 07:55:38 PM
LMFAO!!

Gayer than agreeing with an oak post

This is gayer than if you chugged 4 of matt's frozen ropes.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 11, 2022, 07:57:08 PM
Hey hey ….  I brought up the Heinz first. 






Between this raid and Trumpy deposition today, you can be assured that somewhere in Trump Tower a fresh coating of Heinz is being applied to the walls.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 07:57:32 PM
Anyway, there is little use arguing this since neither side knows anything.

The left thinks this is "it".....but they've failed at "it" with Trump a myriad of times.

But even if they have something, the Democrats are experts in fucking it up.

On the flip, the FBI seems darn sure they do have something and Garland appears confident.

On the flip, flip, occam's razor says it's political.

Who knows?  We'll see.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 11, 2022, 08:06:32 PM
Gayer than agreeing with an oak post

This is gayer than if you chugged 4 of matt's frozen ropes.

I thought it was only gay if I wanted it to be.  No?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 11, 2022, 08:33:57 PM
I thought it was only gay if I wanted it to be.  No?

That subjectivity ceases when oak is involved, rope gulper.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on August 11, 2022, 08:35:12 PM
That subjectivity ceases when oak is involved, rope gulper.

I'm going to file an appeal. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 08:49:23 PM
🤷‍♂️

https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1557799017592922112?s=21&t=i5BlCA_z8kjNbV5Ll7Np3w
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on August 11, 2022, 08:58:40 PM
Court Removes Page for Judge Who Approved Raid of Trump’s Home



A federal court in Florida has removed the webpage for the judge who signed off on the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s home.

The page for U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart was taken down on Aug. 10, archived versions of it confirm.


“No information at this time,” the computer operations manager for the court, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, told The Epoch Times.

A deputy clerk for the clerk did not pick up the phone or return a voicemail.

The page contained Reinhart’s biography, his email address, directions to the courthouse at which he works, the phone number for his chambers, the number for his deputy, and the names of the deputy and the judge’s law clerks.

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The pages for all of the other magistrate judges for the court remain online.

Signed Off on Raid

Reinhart, who was appointed to his position by other judges, has confirmed that he was the judge who approved the FBI’s raid of Trump’s Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago.

The resort was raided on Aug. 8 by approximately two dozen agents, one of Trump’s lawyers told The Epoch Times.

Christina Bobb, the lawyer, said Reinhart’s name was listed as the approving judge on the search warrant agents gave to Trump representatives.

The warrant and the supporting materials, such as an affidavit outlining why the FBI was asking for a warrant, remain sealed. But Reinhart responded to requests to unseal the material, which identify the warrant as the one used to raid Trump’s resort, by ordering the Department of Justice to respond to the requests, indirectly confirming that he approved the warrant.

The government’s response to the requests to unseal, filed by nonprofit Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union, may be filed under seal “to avoid disclosing matters already under seal,” Reinhart said in a brief order.

The response must be filed by 5 p.m. on Aug. 15.

It has not yet been filed.

Neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice have explained why the raid took place. Lawyers for Trump say agents were looking for classified and presidential materials. Earlier this year, U.S. archivist David Ferriero told Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), the chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee, that there were classified materials discovered in boxes of records that were transferred from Trump’s residence to the National Archives in January.

Judge’s History

Reinhart was a trial attorney for the Department of Justice from 1988 to 1996, when he transitioned to being an assistant U.S. attorney based in West Palm Beach. He was involved with the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, who ultimately avoided federal prosecution in exchange for pleading guilty to a single state charge of soliciting a minor.

Shortly after the plea deal was reached, Reinhart left the government and spent ten years in private practice.

Among those he represented were Epstein’s housekeeper and pilots, according to court filings.

Reinhart became a magistrate judge on March 14, 2018.

Reinhart’s wife, Carolyn Bell, is also a judge. She was appointed by then-Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, to a state circuit court in 2018.

Reinhart shared the announcement on Facebook.

On the same page, Reinhart criticized then-President-elect Trump, taking issue with Trump’s criticism of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who has since passed away.

“I generally ignore the President-elect’s tweets, but not this one,” Reinhart wrote, adding later that he agreed with the statement, “Donald Trump doesn’t have the moral stature to kiss John Lewis’s feet


Interesting - any reason given as to why his page has been removed ??


In 1....2....3.........
Lurkio Lurkio Wherefore art thou Lurkio ???

 ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 09:21:54 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyY2cjk/?k=1
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 09:23:39 PM

Hahahahaha.  That’s the point. He doesn’t have to do shit you dumb fuck.  Because Garland is going to do it himself.  Tomorrow.  Hahahaha.   Garland just master trolled Trumpy and shut his little tantrum down. 

Get used to more kicks in your ovaries.

Actually, Garland got smoked out and had no choice.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OAK on August 11, 2022, 10:15:48 PM
So true!

😆
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: OAK on August 11, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Spot on!

😆
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Never1AShow on August 11, 2022, 10:28:27 PM
It's always been about Trump.  All of ChOak's Covid bullshit, it's always been about Trump.

Trump posted to Truth Social tonight that he agrees that the warrant can be released.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 11, 2022, 11:17:43 PM
Spot on!

😆

.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 12, 2022, 12:08:38 AM
So true!

😆

Who requested more draft deferments – Joe Biden, Donald trump, John Kerry, or Dick Cheney?

Hah, hah – five for all!

That “six times” is a lie. 

Do better, my friend.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 12, 2022, 02:44:25 AM
Well, Trump just said he’s not going to oppose the warrant being unsealed and in fact encourages it. Maybe we get answers today.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Royalty on August 12, 2022, 03:34:20 AM
So true!

😆

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 12, 2022, 05:19:29 AM

   this thread isn't about hunter biden who last time I checked isn't and never was  president. this is about your hero the trumpster. stay on topic. Hunter Biden is just Joe Biden's embarrassment of a son. just like Jimmy carter had his Billy. ;D ;D ;D ;D Ronald Reagan had his patti.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 12, 2022, 05:25:29 AM
   this thread isn't about hunter biden who last time I checked isn't and never was  president. this is about your hero the trumpster. stay on topic. Hunter Biden is just Joe Biden's embarrassment of a son. just like Jimmy carter had his Billy. ;D ;D ;D ;D Ronald Reagan had his patti.

While I get what you’re saying and it is off topic, I believe it should be investigated. No way Joe didn’t know anything about his sons dealings with foreign countries/companies.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on August 12, 2022, 05:36:22 AM
While I get what you’re saying and it is off topic, I believe it should be investigated. No way Joe didn’t know anything about his sons dealings with foreign countries/companies.
   Joe's old and senile, what makes you think he has any clue what's going on in any aspect of life. He was just installed by the democratic party as a remembrance to the days of Camelot that were the Obama administration. he's pretty much the puppet that jeff Dunham works. the question is who's pulling Joe's strings.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 12, 2022, 05:47:17 AM
hands up all who thin biddy joe was already too old when he became president?

Essentially everyone who wasn’t afflicted with TDS and watched Biden’s campaign knew it was a sham.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: BlackMetallic on August 12, 2022, 05:53:59 AM
So true!

😆

It’s not like he’s put on blackface or anything
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: CT_Muscle on August 12, 2022, 06:36:41 AM
   Joe's old and senile, what makes you think he has any clue what's going on in any aspect of life. He was just installed by the democratic party as a remembrance to the days of Camelot that were the Obama administration. he's pretty much the puppet that jeff Dunham works. the question is who's pulling Joe's strings.

Are you REALLY that F U CKING DUMB we all know who......moron  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Never1AShow on August 12, 2022, 06:44:45 AM
While I get what you’re saying and it is off topic, I believe it should be investigated. No way Joe didn’t know anything about his sons dealings with foreign countries/companies.

Not off topic at all.  Tons of evidence points to his corruption, 10% for the Big Guy, You ain't getting the billion unless you fire the prosecutor, China hedge fund funding, on and on and on.  And Hunter not being prosecuted just happens, no involvement?  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 12, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
   Joe's old and senile, what makes you think he has any clue what's going on in any aspect of life. He was just installed by the democratic party as a remembrance to the days of Camelot that were the Obama administration. he's pretty much the puppet that jeff Dunham works. the question is who's pulling Joe's strings.

Regardless, the Hunter issue is that it was a proven coordinated effort on many fronts to squash a legitimate story, yet nobody cares since they were so broken by Trump.  People should care about this, but normal folks have abandoned their principles just to ensure he wasn't elected again.  It has created more distrust in the media, and created more divisiveness that this country doesn't need.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2022, 07:41:12 AM
OOOPPPSSS!!!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Fortress on August 12, 2022, 07:48:34 AM
Trumpster steamrolls like a BOSS across and through all their lies, attacks and criticisms.

One day I’d love to shake his hand.

What an honour that would be.

Hail TRUMPSTER!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 12, 2022, 07:49:08 AM
Garland moves to unseal the warrant served on Trumpy.

Trumpy could release it himself but instead is considering fighting the release of it.

WHY?



Hahahahahahaha.  Move along. Nothing to see here.  Send more money you suckers.

Kicked in the nuts again….you either have a vagina or they’re inverted

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/11/donald-trump-i-am-encouraging-doj-to-release-search-warrant-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2022, 07:49:59 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/15/pentagon-fbi-jan-6-hearing-494650


Remember this gem?
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Post by: Taffin on August 12, 2022, 08:07:38 AM
Gayer than agreeing with an oak post

This is gayer than if you chugged 4 of matt's frozen ropes.

Dude!! >:( >:( >:(

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Post by: MAXX on August 12, 2022, 08:20:46 AM
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 12, 2022, 10:07:13 AM
Welp…


White House documents that former President Donald Trump brought with him to Mar-a-Lago had been declassified, Trump allies said.

Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday that he had "personally approved" the search of Trump's Florida home, which was raided by FBI agents on Monday. Multiple reports said the raid was related to the handling of presidential records, including classified documents, after leaving office.

The Justice Department has prosecuted cases involving the mishandling of classified information, but no such case has been brought against a former president — the one government official who can declassify information at will.

Ric Grenell, who was Trump's acting director of national intelligence, told NBC News that documents can be declassified if the president simply says they are.

"There is no approval process for the president of the United States to declassify intelligence," Grenell told NBC News. "There is this phony idea that he must provide notification for declassification, but that's just silly. Who is he supposed to notify? I think it's the height of swampism to think the president should seek bureaucrats' approval."

Kash Patel, a Pentagon chief of staff during the Trump administration, in May said that documents previously recovered from Mar-a-Lago had been declassified by Trump, but their markings were not updated.

"Trump declassified whole sets of materials in anticipation of leaving government that he thought the American public should have the right to read themselves," Patel told Breitbart News.

The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified. I was there with President Trump when he said, 'We are declassifying this information.'"

At the time, Patel did not specify what the earlier documents were, but added, "it's information that Trump felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more. We are declassifying this information."

The 1978 Presidential Records Act requires presidents to turn over documents to the National Archives at the end of their administration. Although the law does not specify enforcement, there are multiple federal laws regarding the handling of classified documents.

As the facts stand now, his [Trump's] defense would be, 'I declassified those documents. I am not therefore in possession of classified documents now,'" Charles Stimson, a senior fellow with the Heritage Foundation and a former federal prosecutor, told NBC News.

Trump foes, however, reject the notion a president can declassify documents so easily.

"He can't just wave a wand and say it's declassified," Richard Immerman, a historian and former assistant deputy director of national intelligence under former President Barack Obama, told NBC News. "There has to be a formal process. That's the only way the system can work.

"I've seen thousands of declassified documents. They're all marked 'declassified' with the date they were declassified."

One source told NBC News that Trump as president wasn't concerned with formal protocol.

"We've told him there's a process and not following it could be a problem but he didn't care because he thinks this stuff is dumb," the source said of declassifying documents. "His attitude is that he is the president. He is in charge of the country and therefore national security. So he decides."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-allies-declassified/2022/08/12/id/1082839/?ns_mail_uid=8b9b65c6-1bb0-4a37-966e-912de1caf965&ns_mail_job=DM365402_08122022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502s6b7ir
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2022, 11:25:58 AM

Interesting - any reason given as to why his page has been removed ??


In 1....2....3.........
Lurkio Lurkio Wherefore art thou Lurkio ???

 ;D

A simple google search would have turned up the answer for you. I would suggest you try it next time but you are too stupid to figure out how it seems.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2022, 11:26:54 AM
Actually, Garland got smoked out and had no choice.

Wrong again Todd.  Half an hour left…. Trumpy going to release it or will the back pedaling be epic when Garland does?  Hahahahah
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Kicked in the nuts again….you either have a vagina or they’re inverted

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/11/donald-trump-i-am-encouraging-doj-to-release-search-warrant-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/

If he is all for it why doesn’t he do it himself?

Don’t worry.  They are going to release it.  Whether he encourages them or not. Hahhahaah
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Post by: illuminati on August 12, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
A simple google search would have turned up the answer for you. I would suggest you try it next time but you are too stupid to figure out how it seems.

Ahha Lurkio - The Pavlovian response was to much for you to ignore I see  ;D

Stupid you say - well I'm leagues ahead of you & your Idiocy .
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2022, 12:28:29 PM
Ahha Lurkio - The Pavlovian response was to much for you to ignore I see  ;D

Stupid you say - well I'm leagues ahead of you & your Idiocy .

Only when measuring stupidity. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 12, 2022, 03:19:07 PM
While I get what you’re saying and it is off topic, I believe it should be investigated. No way Joe didn’t know anything about his sons dealings with foreign countries/companies.

Even if you are right about what Hunter's dad, Joe knew, if you were his father, what would you do? Would you give up your son to save your career? Most parents are very protective of their kids even when they become adults who screwup.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 12, 2022, 05:26:31 PM
Even if you are right about what Hunter's dad, Joe knew, if you were his father, what would you do? Would you give up your son to save your career? Most parents are very protective of their kids even when they become adults who screwup.

Then the attention would turn to his son. Biden and his kid were caught on tape about knowing and talking about his son's business dealings that he lied about. It's not a matter "if" he knew....he knew and lied about it
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Post by: chaos on August 12, 2022, 06:22:56 PM
A simple google search would have turned up the answer for you. I would suggest you try it next time but you are too stupid to figure out how it seems.
Were you concerned when you're psycho women were threatening and showing up at Supreme Court Justices homes?
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Post by: illuminati on August 13, 2022, 03:13:16 AM
Only when measuring stupidity.

Lurkio my dear Boy it's great having you on Getbig you provide so many
With Hrs of Amusement & are ever hungry for more Ridicule & Abuse .
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2022, 05:56:49 AM
Welp…


White House documents that former President Donald Trump brought with him to Mar-a-Lago had been declassified, Trump allies said.

Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday that he had "personally approved" the search of Trump's Florida home, which was raided by FBI agents on Monday. Multiple reports said the raid was related to the handling of presidential records, including classified documents, after leaving office.

The Justice Department has prosecuted cases involving the mishandling of classified information, but no such case has been brought against a former president — the one government official who can declassify information at will.

Ric Grenell, who was Trump's acting director of national intelligence, told NBC News that documents can be declassified if the president simply says they are.

"There is no approval process for the president of the United States to declassify intelligence," Grenell told NBC News. "There is this phony idea that he must provide notification for declassification, but that's just silly. Who is he supposed to notify? I think it's the height of swampism to think the president should seek bureaucrats' approval."

Kash Patel, a Pentagon chief of staff during the Trump administration, in May said that documents previously recovered from Mar-a-Lago had been declassified by Trump, but their markings were not updated.

"Trump declassified whole sets of materials in anticipation of leaving government that he thought the American public should have the right to read themselves," Patel told Breitbart News.

The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified. I was there with President Trump when he said, 'We are declassifying this information.'"

At the time, Patel did not specify what the earlier documents were, but added, "it's information that Trump felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more. We are declassifying this information."

The 1978 Presidential Records Act requires presidents to turn over documents to the National Archives at the end of their administration. Although the law does not specify enforcement, there are multiple federal laws regarding the handling of classified documents.

As the facts stand now, his [Trump's] defense would be, 'I declassified those documents. I am not therefore in possession of classified documents now,'" Charles Stimson, a senior fellow with the Heritage Foundation and a former federal prosecutor, told NBC News.

Trump foes, however, reject the notion a president can declassify documents so easily.

"He can't just wave a wand and say it's declassified," Richard Immerman, a historian and former assistant deputy director of national intelligence under former President Barack Obama, told NBC News. "There has to be a formal process. That's the only way the system can work.

"I've seen thousands of declassified documents. They're all marked 'declassified' with the date they were declassified."

One source told NBC News that Trump as president wasn't concerned with formal protocol.

"We've told him there's a process and not following it could be a problem but he didn't care because he thinks this stuff is dumb," the source said of declassifying documents. "His attitude is that he is the president. He is in charge of the country and therefore national security. So he decides."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-allies-declassified/2022/08/12/id/1082839/?ns_mail_uid=8b9b65c6-1bb0-4a37-966e-912de1caf965&ns_mail_job=DM365402_08122022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502s6b7ir

The las quote here in this paragraph sums it up. He didn’t follow protocol for the declassification. At this point it doesn’t matter if the papers were about the size of one of his dumps or bomb codes, all that will be looked at is that he didn’t do it the right way and thus broke protocol. I hope for his sake these are benign documents.
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 13, 2022, 06:00:14 AM
The las quote here in this paragraph sums it up. He didn’t follow protocol for the declassification. At this point it doesn’t matter if the papers were about the size of one of his dumps or bomb codes, all that will be looked at is that he didn’t do it the right way and thus broke protocol. I hope for his sake these are benign documents.

Why do ex Presidents need boxes of documents anyway?  Saw Obama has a bunch too.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2022, 07:46:54 AM
Why do ex Presidents need boxes of documents anyway?  Saw Obama has a bunch too.

No shit. If I'm moving out of a house, the last thing I'm thinking about taking with me is a bunch of clutter that’s going to sit in some room. I’ve got a rule, if I haven’t looked at it in a month and it’s on my desk/bookshelf in my office, I don’t look at it and just throw it away.
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Post by: OlympiaGym on August 13, 2022, 08:06:45 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-supporter-called-capitol-cops-weasels-jan-6-sentenced-prison-rcna42865

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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 13, 2022, 08:14:12 AM
As usual the lefts little game by raiding Trumps house is rapidly falling apart..just like “Russian Collusion” the hooker, pee gate, the Ukraine call, the two fake impeachments and the fake January 6 hearings where they keep getting caught in lies and altering evidence because they know they don’t have shit all the while locking up political prisoners on trespassing and trumped up charges while not allowing due process.

Whoever supports this, supports communism. Prove me wrong
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Post by: chaos on August 13, 2022, 08:31:51 AM
Why do ex Presidents need boxes of documents anyway?  Saw Obama has a bunch too.
Didn't the Clintons take a bunch of stuff too?
In this case, it sounded like the documents were at his joint and then supposed to be declassified? No matter the situation, I find the raid very odd. If this happened in the middle east, the US would be talking about invading to save democracy. ;)
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Post by: illuminati on August 13, 2022, 10:27:55 AM
No matter the situation, I find the raid very odd. If this happened in the middle east, the US would be talking about invading to save democracy. ;)

Bingo - And Exactly Right - Yet The Irony will be Totally Lost on the
Thick 2 faced Liberals & Dummycrats.
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 13, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
Didn't the Clintons take a bunch of stuff too?
In this case, it sounded like the documents were at his joint and then supposed to be declassified? No matter the situation, I find the raid very odd. If this happened in the middle east, the US would be talking about invading to save democracy. ;)

I am trying to keep an open mind and wait and see here.

But it seems they knew these documents have been there a long time, and could have procured without all the showmanship.

If they were uber sensitive, then they likely would not have waited so long to get them.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2022, 11:35:00 AM
Lurkio my dear Boy it's great having you on Getbig you provide so many
With Hrs of Amusement & are ever hungry for more Ridicule & Abuse .

goOd For yoU beCAuse You HAve no otHeR opTion dUE to Your StuPidIty. At 60 yRs olD yoU cAnt Be Picky.  (Or sMart)
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Post by: illuminati on August 13, 2022, 11:41:05 AM
goOd For yoU beCAuse You HAve no otHeR opTion dUE to Your StuPidIty. At 60 yRs olD yoU cAnt Be Picky.  (Or sMart)

Lurkio my dear Imbecile You can't EvAn get MY age Correct - 
I'M 62 -
Quick rusH over To Fact Checkers to make Sure  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 01:18:36 PM
Then the attention would turn to his son. Biden and his kid were caught on tape about knowing and talking about his son's business dealings that he lied about. It's not a matter "if" he knew....he knew and lied about it



Your reading comprehension is off again. This post is not about 'if' Joe knew about his son's business dealings. The question I asked was "...if you were his father, what would you do? Would you give up your son to save your career?"
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
As usual the lefts little game by raiding Trumps house is rapidly falling apart..just like “Russian Collusion” the hooker, pee gate, the Ukraine call, the two fake impeachments and the fake January 6 hearings where they keep getting caught in lies and altering evidence because they know they don’t have shit all the while locking up political prisoners on trespassing and trumped up charges while not allowing due process.

Whoever supports this, supports communism. Prove me wrong

Why bother? You would still think you were right.
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Post by: The Scott on August 13, 2022, 01:24:11 PM


Your reading comprehension is off again. This post is not about 'if' Joe knew about his son's business dealings. The question I asked was "...if you were his father, what would you do? Would you give up your son to save your career?"

The correct answer is that one would confront one's son and have this legally cleared and paid for, elsewise the lad would go straight to jail and not pass "GO" nor collect Two Million dollars...

You read right my friend.  He should give his idiot offspring the chance to make things legally right and never do wrong again. If the boy refuses, he goes to jail.  It is no secret that in my own way,  I live my words.  My youngest brother was a meth addict and when he threatened our mother he refused to get help and so I put him in jail.

Be well, my friend.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 01:24:55 PM
Lurkio my dear Imbecile You can't EvAn get MY age Correct - 
I'M 62 -
Quick rusH over To Fact Checkers to make Sure  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The 'fact checkers' have your age wrong. Damn phony, inaccurate fact checkers! ;D
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 01:44:00 PM
The correct answer is that one would confront one's son and have this legally cleared and paid for, elsewise the lad would go straight to jail and not pass "GO" nor collect Two Million dollars...

You read right my friend.  He should give his idiot offspring the chance to make things legally right and never do wrong again. If the boy refuses, he goes to jail.  It is no secret that in my own way,  I live my words.  My youngest brother was a meth addict and when he threatened our mother he refused to get help and so I put him in jail.

Be well, my friend.

Fortunately, I have never been in the position of having to turn in a family member or even a friend. Although I have refused to lie on someone's behalf. It must have been a difficult decision. How did your mother feel about you doing this?

Did your brother benefit from his time in jail? Did he stop using?

On another note, how are you feeling? Do you feel like you are recovering from your health crisis? Take care not to do too much too soon. It takes time for the body to heal. During the acute periods of my wife's health, when she was in and out of the hospital many times, I was told that for each day a person spends in the hospital, it takes a week to recover.
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Post by: Skeletor on August 13, 2022, 01:46:47 PM


Your reading comprehension is off again. This post is not about 'if' Joe knew about his son's business dealings. The question I asked was "...if you were his father, what would you do? Would you give up your son to save your career?"

Biden regularly uses his dead son as a pity ploy and a shield against criticism, he has no qualms using family members and their misfortune to advance his political career.
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Post by: The Scott on August 13, 2022, 02:08:12 PM
Fortunately, I have never been in the position of having to turn in a family member or even a friend. Although I have refused to lie on someone's behalf. It must have been a difficult decision. How did your mother feel about you doing this?

Did your brother benefit from his time in jail? Did he stop using?

On another note, how are you feeling? Do you feel like you are recovering from your health crisis? Take care not to do too much too soon. It takes time for the body to heal. During the acute periods of my wife's health, when she was in and out of the hospital many times, I was told that for each day a person spends in the hospital, it takes a week to recover.

My brother was committed to a state hospital and through therapy made clean.  Alas that he committed suicide but other than getting drunk enough to shoot himself in the head, he was clean.  No drugs at all.  My mother still has a shrine to him but that is  understandable and she does not blame me in the least.  My father was an alcoholic and one night I heard them arguing upstairs and then the sound of him hitting her.  I went up the stairs  so fast that  when I arrived my momentum and "retard" strength were through the roof. 

I grabbed my father by the throat and raised him up off the ground and slammed him against the wall and read him the truth.  If he ever struck my mother again I would snap his bones.  He knew my strength and calmed down.  Of course the next day he shoved a gun up my nose and said he would kill me if I ever did that again. 

I calmly told him he would need more than a 22 short to take me out.  He had seen me hit with high amps/voltage a couple of times and nodded his head then left the hallway.  I forgave him on his literal deathbed.

I love my father and had no problem forgiving him.  My older sister still can't stand the thought of him but to be honest, I took probably 95% of any punishment in our home because I could.  My mother understood that I could have snapped my littlest brother into many pieces but chose instead to have him incarcerated and then hospitalized.  She was thankful for that and for me going full 'tard on my father. 

I was at the doctor's yesterday and today am covered in bruises.  Therapy is fun.  I am looking to prove them wrong as it was projected I would die within the year, which is fast coming up.    I am being closely studied and monitored by two different teams for different reasons.   If any good comes of all this for other folks, I will be happy for them even if I am gone or never meet anyone that has benefited from what happened to me.  Am I scared?  Despite my physicians' thinking otherwise, I am only human so yes.  I am scared.  My last death I saw nothing but what I heard remains with me.  Over six minutes and I am thankful my brain is about the same, which is to say borderline moron, LOL!

Thank you for asking, brother.
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Post by: illuminati on August 13, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
The 'fact checkers' have your age wrong. Damn phony, inaccurate fact checkers! ;D

I'm seriously struggling to believe Grown Adult men Still haven't
got That Fact Checkers is Bought & paid For & about as Trustworthy
as Bwanky / Arce / ESF.  ::)
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Post by: chaos on August 13, 2022, 03:12:41 PM
I am trying to keep an open mind and wait and see here.

But it seems they knew these documents have been there a long time, and could have procured without all the showmanship.

If they were uber sensitive, then they likely would not have waited so long to get them.
I try to stay open minded but these shenanigans by dems and msm over the last 5-6 years have really soured me.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 04:15:38 PM
Biden regularly uses his dead son as a pity ploy and a shield against criticism, he has no qualms using family members and their misfortune to advance his political career.

You are entitled to your opinion. Understand that not everyone agrees with it. Just out of curiosity, how does this shield him from criticism? It certainly didn't stop Trump from criticizing him and Hunter during one of their debates.

Biden also lost his first wife and daughter in a tragic traffic accident. His son Beau died of brain cancer at 46. His son Hunter has had substance abuse issues for years. He has gone through rehab 6 times. He was dishonorably discharged from the military because of drug use. He is basically every parent's nightmare child. Such as he is, he is Joe Bidens only surviving child.

Most people would agree that Joe Biden has had more than his share of tragic loses. Any parent whose has lost a child, much less two children can sympathize with him. None of these things are secret, there is no reason he shouldn't mention them. In fact, it makes him seem more 'human'. He is better able to sympathize with other people who have suffered losses of this type than someone who has never experienced this.   
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 04:19:27 PM
I try to stay open minded but these shenanigans by dems and msm over the last 5-6 years have really soured me.

There are those of us who feel the same way about the multiple 'shenanigans' committed by conservatives and FOX over the past many years. In what ways would you say you are openminded or that you try to be?
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2022, 05:02:03 PM
Read the responses to this news video. They are on target. 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2022, 06:37:33 PM
Lurkio my dear Imbecile You can't EvAn get MY age Correct - 
I'M 62 -
Quick rusH over To Fact Checkers to make Sure  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

62?  Even worse.

All those years  to get a basic education and you failed.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2022, 06:41:59 PM
Trumpturds don’t like it when the laws apply to them or their Orange Buffon.

Trumpturds don’t like it when Orange Buffon passes bill regarding documents that come back and bite him in the ass.

Trumpturds whine.  Back pedal.  And start their silly civil war talk.

Trumpturds stupid. 
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 13, 2022, 07:28:40 PM
There are those of us who feel the same way about the multiple 'shenanigans' committed by conservatives and FOX over the past many years. In what ways would you say you are openminded or that you try to be?

I stay open minded but trying to listen to both sides, unfortunately the left is so predictable by accusing the right of doing the exact same things that they are doing 10 fold…then you have the history which became more evident during the Obama years that it’s not just impossible to ignore but now expected. We are now, literally, into American Marxism no exaggeration and history shows that never has worked and has ALWAYS ended bad. Especially for regimes
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 13, 2022, 08:03:33 PM
Trumpturds don’t like it when the laws apply to them or their Orange Buffon.

Trumpturds don’t like it when Orange Buffon passes bill regarding documents that come back and bite him in the ass.

Trumpturds whine.  Back pedal.  And start their silly civil war talk.

Trumpturds stupid.

What laws? What Justice system? Do you mean two teared Justice system that accuses Trump of doing then when debunked it’s really exact same thing the left (Biden especially) are doing with no repercussions? Prove me wrong…for once
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2022, 08:20:20 PM
What laws? What Justice system? Do you mean two teared Justice system that accuses Trump of doing then when debunked it’s really exact same thing the left (Biden especially) are doing with no repercussions? Prove me wrong…for once

The laws regarding warrants and raids.

The Justice system that enforced those laws.

They didn’t just accuse him, they collected evidence of their accusations. 

Good times!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 13, 2022, 08:28:45 PM
The laws regarding warrants and raids.

The Justice system that enforced those laws.

They didn’t just accuse him, they collected evidence of their accusations. 

Good times!

You’re one of the dumbest SOB’s to grace this site

https://rumble.com/v1fuztp-the-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-is-a-symbol-of-marxism-in-america.html?mref=9yobh&mc=2cpbn
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 14, 2022, 03:19:23 AM
The laws regarding warrants and raids.

The Justice system that enforced those laws.

They didn’t just accuse him, they collected evidence of their accusations. 

Good times!

But...why?

It's not like they had to recover nuclear launch codes from him. If they had him dead to rights on something major they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. It reads more like they desperately need some charge to stick so he can't run for office again.

Except ,

1 Trump is a symptom of dissatisfaction, not a cause, so someone else will just pick up the Fuck The Swamp mantle.

2 If they'd do a good job running the country instead of obsessing over sabotaging The Donald then he wouldn't be an election threat. Just get on with your damn job already.

It's nothing but bizarre. It's cartoonish, like something out of Catch That Pidgeon or Wile E Coyote. How is settling this private Democratic vendetta of any value to the people or the nation?

It's like anywhere else. Kick ass, be awesome. The other guy won't get your job. That's all they have to do. It's what they said they would do, and we all get to move on from Donald Trump. But here we are again. I'm sick to death of hearing about this fucking guy.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 14, 2022, 06:15:51 AM
There are those of us who feel the same way about the multiple 'shenanigans' committed by conservatives and FOX over the past many years. In what ways would you say you are openminded or that you try to be?


I'm not a fan of either side, but there is nothing conservatives have done that's on the level to the Russian collusion hoax, the killing of the Hunter story, fake news from of myriad of sources, the treatment of the BLM riots, the BS ukraine call impeachment, big tech censorship, etc.

Too many to list actually.

Trump broke their minds.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on August 14, 2022, 06:58:11 AM
The laws regarding warrants and raids.

The Justice system that enforced those laws.

They didn’t just accuse him, they collected evidence of their accusations. 

Good times!


"Goodtimes" ?? - maybe for a loser in life like you...pathetic existence.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 14, 2022, 08:49:02 AM

I'm not a fan of either side, but there is nothing conservatives have done that's on the level to the Russian collusion hoax, the killing of the Hunter story, fake news from of myriad of sources, the treatment of the BLM riots, the BS ukraine call impeachment, big tech censorship, etc.

Too many to list actually.

Trump broke their minds.
You are a far kinder person than I.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 14, 2022, 09:55:33 AM
But...why?

It's not like they had to recover nuclear launch codes from him. If they had him dead to rights on something major they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. It reads more like they desperately need some charge to stick so he can't run for office again.

Except ,

1 Trump is a symptom of dissatisfaction, not a cause, so someone else will just pick up the Fuck The Swamp mantle.

2 If they'd do a good job running the country instead of obsessing over sabotaging The Donald then he wouldn't be an election threat. Just get on with your damn job already.

It's nothing but bizarre. It's cartoonish, like something out of Catch That Pidgeon or Wile E Coyote. How is settling this private Democratic vendetta of any value to the people or the nation?

It's like anywhere else. Kick ass, be awesome. The other guy won't get your job. That's all they have to do. It's what they said they would do, and we all get to move on from Donald Trump. But here we are again. I'm sick to death of hearing about this fucking guy.

When the first impeachment was brought forth, Pelosi knew it couldn't "win", but did it anyway. BUT, wondering now if this holds water:

Anyone who read the transcript of the call knew the crux of it would come to this:  If you're leftist, you'd claim Trump was trying to dig up dirt on a political rival.  If you're rightist, you'd claim Trump was investigating corruption in the 2016 election.  Burden of proof was on the left, and they did a shit job proving it, but it was mostly voted down political lines.

So, IF this turns out to be nothing, if there is any link that the Biden admin was in on it, it's 20x worse than what Trump did (by leftist standards) in the first impeachment.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 09:59:33 AM
https://conservativebrief.com/privilege-65544/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=Art

Lurker and Prime actually think the FBI actually did this by the book…lol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 10:02:25 AM
The laws regarding warrants and raids.

The Justice system that enforced those laws.

They didn’t just accuse him, they collected evidence of their accusations. 

Good times!

Really? Then why didn’t they do that? I’ll ask you the same question I always ask, what part of this was a legit raid. Careful with your answer because this started unraveling from day one and is still continuing to unravel

Like literally almost everything the left does, this was an illegal raid
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 11:34:11 AM
https://conservativebrief.com/trumps-attorney-demands-to-know-why-judge-who-signed-warrant-recused-himself-from-clinton-lawsuit-65524/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on August 14, 2022, 11:40:42 AM
62?  Even worse.

All those years  to get a basic education and you failed.

Lurkio my dear Idiot - If shit were Brains - Yours would be Very watery Diarrhea.
As you speak nothing but verbal Diarrhea it constantly Runs out of your mouth.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
Trumpturds don’t like it when the laws apply to them or their Orange Buffon.

Trumpturds don’t like it when Orange Buffon passes bill regarding documents that come back and bite him in the ass.

Trumpturds whine.  Back pedal.  And start their silly civil war talk.

Trumpturds stupid.

Unfortunately, there are some folks who are dead serious about starting a civil war over Trump's folly. Word of warning, don't expect him to fight it with you or bail you out should you be arrested.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=treats+of+civil+war&docid=20711265449655&mid=C7B2F20B702262507454C7B2F20B702262507454&view=detail&FORM=VIRE



 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on August 14, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
but

the greatest defence against uncomfortable thought
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 14, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
You’re one of the dumbest SOB’s to grace this site

https://rumble.com/v1fuztp-the-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-is-a-symbol-of-marxism-in-america.html?mref=9yobh&mc=2cpbn

Retards gonna retard right Qoach Todd?

You wouldn't know what Marxism was if you had to cling to it for life support.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 14, 2022, 01:45:44 PM
But...why?

It's not like they had to recover nuclear launch codes from him. If they had him dead to rights on something major they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. It reads more like they desperately need some charge to stick so he can't run for office again.

Except ,

1 Trump is a symptom of dissatisfaction, not a cause, so someone else will just pick up the Fuck The Swamp mantle.

2 If they'd do a good job running the country instead of obsessing over sabotaging The Donald then he wouldn't be an election threat. Just get on with your damn job already.

It's nothing but bizarre. It's cartoonish, like something out of Catch That Pidgeon or Wile E Coyote. How is settling this private Democratic vendetta of any value to the people or the nation?

It's like anywhere else. Kick ass, be awesome. The other guy won't get your job. That's all they have to do. It's what they said they would do, and we all get to move on from Donald Trump. But here we are again. I'm sick to death of hearing about this fucking guy.


Or....   just a genius idea here....   If Trumpy followed protocol and did what he was supposed to do, they would not be in the position right now of having to go fetch this stuff right?   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 14, 2022, 01:48:04 PM
Really? Then why didn’t they do that? I’ll ask you the same question I always ask, what part of this was a legit raid. Careful with your answer because this started unraveling from day one and is still continuing to unravel

Like literally almost everything the left does, this was an illegal raid


Unraveling....  hahahahahaha.    Like Obama's birth certificate unraveling?  Or Hillary's Benjihahahaha defense unraveling?  Or the stolen election unraveling?   hahahahahah

The fact your retardation gets in the way of basic reading comprehension and understanding why it is legit indicates you won't understand it no matter how it is explained to your stupid ass. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 02:00:41 PM
Really? Then why didn’t they do that? I’ll ask you the same question I always ask, what part of this was a legit raid. Careful with your answer because this started unraveling from day one and is still continuing to unravel

Like literally almost everything the left does, this was an illegal raid

Give us some specifics on what you believe is the unraveling of the FBI's raid. Seems to me Trump's responses are what is unraveling. He maintained the FBI was keeping the details of the warrant secret... that was until he was called on it because he had a copy of the warrant which had he wanted it made public he could have done so himself. Instead, he changes direction and gives the FBI 'permission' to do this. Then Garland took Trump up on his offer or called his bluff if you prefer. Let's see how Trump and his followers 'spin' this now.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 02:18:13 PM
Give us some specifics on what you believe is the unraveling of the FBI's raid. Seems to me Trump's responses are what is unraveling. He maintained the FBI was keeping the details of the warrant secret... that was until he was called on it because he had a copy of the warrant which had he wanted it made public he could have done so himself. Instead, he changes direction and gives the FBI 'permission' to do this. Then Garland took Trump up on his offer or called his bluff if you prefer. Let's see how Trump and his followers 'spin' this now.   

I did. Several times in this thread, you just didn’t  bother to watch or read it
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 03:55:57 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 14, 2022, 04:32:34 PM

Or....   just a genius idea here....   If Trumpy followed protocol and did what he was supposed to do, they would not be in the position right now of having to go fetch this stuff right?   ::)

It's clear Trump's opponents have a wicked hard on for him. It's been a backfire strategy every time and it's a misallocation of attention since it doesn't help the country.

I don't even like the dude. I think he's an egomaniacal huckster who crossed the line into sedition, and I agree with Oly that he called for his supporters to come and fight then left them twisting in the wind when it became politically inconvenient to defend them.

Now this golf clown from the 80s tabloids might get to ride political victimhood into office again. He would have faded. They keep juicing him up because they can't let it go. If you dislike Donald Trump, you should be angry at the Democrats for sponsoring his 24 candidacy.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 14, 2022, 04:42:30 PM
It's clear Trump's opponents have a wicked hard on for him. It's been a backfire strategy every time and it's a misallocation of attention since it doesn't help the country.

I don't even like the dude. I think he's an egomaniacal huckster who crossed the line into sedition, and I agree with Oly that he called for his supporters to come and fight then left them twisting in the wind when it became politically inconvenient to defend them.

Now this golf clown from the 80s tabloids might get to ride political victimhood into office again. He would have faded. They keep juicing him up because they can't let it go. If you dislike Donald Trump, you should be angry at the Democrats for sponsoring his 24 candidacy.

Lots of theories the left did this to give support to Trump and avoid DeSantis.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on August 14, 2022, 05:29:16 PM
Lots of theories the left did this to give support to Trump and avoid DeSantis.

anyidea why how so many senior republicans seem to have taken the bait?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 05:31:46 PM
Not much to say about this except it is your opening post in this tread. My hope is that Trump's power is waning.
More reason to believe we’re closer to a civil war and more proof that Trump is still the most powerful person in the world
Hey Lurker, have you figured out the difference between a magazine and a clip yet?
The first link below is an effort to discredit the judge who signed the warrant and isn’t relevant.
The second link is as stated at the beginning an OPIONION piece. Opinions aren’t facts
https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
They need to change the headline to the “fake” Jan 6
https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/trump-raid-not-about-classified-documents-its-about-jan-6/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Not proof of anything.  Post a link to the FBI disallowing Trump’s lawyer’s presence during the search.
Nothing can stop them. They would t allow Trumps lawyers in while they were searching
Cute. But this is just your ineffective effort to distract.
Yet you say nothing about what the Biden regime and Biden did in the past present and will continue to do
More irrelevance on your part.
Why wouldn’t they? There was no “insurrection” he did or said nothing wrong. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s ONLY the Dems opposition that are targeted. Stop feeding off of the literal communist propaganda.
This will only make him and his base stronger, so strong he’s almost guaranteed to win

Another feeble attempt to discredit the Judge who approved the warrant. Not proof of anything. Sorry.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChC7X3Tj9dz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Biden and Afghanistan… distraction… irrelevant… not proof
You mean like Biden did a year ago with Americans left in Afghanistan who some are still there?? You mean left them on the battlefield like that?
Different issue and completely irrelevant.
Why and who destroyed their lives? It’s been over a year and people are still being held. He’s never spoken on their behalf? Are you kidding?
You still find time to work? Amazing!
I’m at work so I can’t respond but I can say what you said is complete bullshit
Revisiting the lawyers present issue. Just curious, was the FBI supposed to put the search on hold until Trump’s lawyers showed up?
Hey dumbshit, he’s entitled to have lawyers present.
Childish name calling. Something people do when they have nothing of value to say.
Link: If Trump says it,  it must be true, because Trump never lies. LOL!
You really are a stupid fuck, aren’t ya? Between you and Prime
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Irrelevant. January 6th issue again. Nothing to do with FBI search or proof of anything.
Poll Reveals Just How Much the Jan. 6 Committee Has Failed
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/08/10/poll-reveals-just-how-much-the-jan-6-committee-has-failed-n609919
If you say he was kicked in the nuts than it must be so. NOT!
How does it feel to get kicked in the nuts every time you post, Benito?
Losing it nonsense. Not relevant.
Every.Time.You.Post about politics
You are right, reading your posts in this thread is the height of satire.
lol…this is satire
You really love calling people Communist. You should have been around in the McCarthy era. You’ve have made a good assistant to him.
The link is interesting.  You think it is a positive that Trump uses everything that happens to pick his supporter’s pockets? He’s an opportunist, nothing more.
I literally put every Biden regime supporters in the category of communist or communist sympathizers and are responsible for literally everything that’s happening now. That being said, communists should be purged
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/trump-shatters-fundraising-records-bidens-fbi-raids-mar-lago/
More January 6th distraction from the thread topic nonsense.
No one gives a shit 😂
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/jan-6-hearings-not-impacting-public-opinion-poll?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjtn
If you say we three get owned, it must be so. At least in your mind it is. Some disagree.
Three of the ones who get owned on here more than anyone when it comes to politics are you, lurker/Strawman and Prime lol
It is nice to see The Scott back and kicking butt.
Happy to see you back 🙏
I left this post simply because it you posted it and it is in this tread.
At least you're not denying it
More of the same
You need to do better than that
Possibly, but since the search was in the works for some time it seems kind of unlikely. Seems like Trump would have to be an idiot to not know this would happen given all the requests he ignored.
The raid was set up purposely while he was in Manhattan and didn't know about it then....dipshit
Trump was served with a subpoena two months prior to the FBI search. A subpoena he ignored.
You fucking idiot. They even had a subpoena but raided the house before the subpoena was received.
Let’s hope not. Trump’s already done enough damage.
Garland guaranteed Trumps re-election
How exciting, a link to Truth Social… Oops! Note at top of page saying this resource cannot be found. Darn.
https://truthsocial.com/users/FrontPageScott/statuses/108806620380479004
Maybe because Trump ignored the subpoena which is what led to the warrant. Duh.
Just.stop.talking? Are you exasperated again?
Another opinion. This time it is Mark Levin’s opinion. Gee whiz. Impressive! I see now where you got the idea about the subpoena. Both you and Mark must have missed that there was a subpoena issued two months prior to the search.
“They have to explain why they went for a warrant instead of a subpoena”
Just.Stop.Talking
https://rumble.com/v1ffeob-the-cabal-to-destroy-trump.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mark+Levin+Show&ep=1
Very intradasting.  Is it possible his webpage was removed because there were threats on his life? Glad you didn’t include his address and phone number in this post.
Court Removes Page for Judge Who Approved Raid of Trump’s Home
A federal court in Florida has removed the webpage for the judge who signed off on the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s home.
The page for U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart was taken down on Aug. 10, archived versions of it confirm.
“No information at this time,” the computer operations manager for the court, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, told The Epoch Times.
A deputy clerk for the clerk did not pick up the phone or return a voicemail.
The page contained Reinhart’s biography, his email address, directions to the courthouse at which he works, the phone number for his chambers, the number for his deputy, and the names of the deputy and the judge’s law clerks.
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The pages for all of the other magistrate judges for the court remain online.
Signed Off on Raid
Reinhart, who was appointed to his position by other judges, has confirmed that he was the judge who approved the FBI’s raid of Trump’s Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago.
The resort was raided on Aug. 8 by approximately two dozen agents, one of Trump’s lawyers told The Epoch Times.
Christina Bobb, the lawyer, said Reinhart’s name was listed as the approving judge on the search warrant agents gave to Trump representatives.
The warrant and the supporting materials, such as an affidavit outlining why the FBI was asking for a warrant, remain sealed. But Reinhart responded to requests to unseal the material, which identify the warrant as the one used to raid Trump’s resort, by ordering the Department of Justice to respond to the requests, indirectly confirming that he approved the warrant.
The government’s response to the requests to unseal, filed by nonprofit Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union, may be filed under seal “to avoid disclosing matters already under seal,” Reinhart said in a brief order.
The response must be filed by 5 p.m. on Aug. 15.
It has not yet been filed.
Neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice have explained why the raid took place. Lawyers for Trump say agents were looking for classified and presidential materials. Earlier this year, U.S. archivist David Ferriero told Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), the chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee, that there were classified materials discovered in boxes of records that were transferred from Trump’s residence to the National Archives in January.
Judge’s History
Reinhart was a trial attorney for the Department of Justice from 1988 to 1996, when he transitioned to being an assistant U.S. attorney based in West Palm Beach. He was involved with the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, who ultimately avoided federal prosecution in exchange for pleading guilty to a single state charge of soliciting a minor.
Shortly after the plea deal was reached, Reinhart left the government and spent ten years in private practice.
Among those he represented were Epstein’s housekeeper and pilots, according to court filings.
Reinhart became a magistrate judge on March 14, 2018.
Reinhart’s wife, Carolyn Bell, is also a judge. She was appointed by then-Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, to a state circuit court in 2018.
Reinhart shared the announcement on Facebook.
On the same page, Reinhart criticized then-President-elect Trump, taking issue with Trump’s criticism of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who has since passed away.
“I generally ignore the President-elect’s tweets, but not this one,” Reinhart wrote, adding later that he agreed with the statement, “Donald Trump doesn’t have the moral stature to kiss John Lewis’s feet
Irrelevant photo not shown… why? Well because it isn’t relevant.
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It might be helpful is Trump explained some things. On the other hand he lies so much intelligent people wouldn’t believe him even if just this once he was being truthful.
Oh, but you think Trump has to explain…AOC stupid
You lose points for name calling, Coach.
You’re right, he doesn’t. Move on tard. If he runs, Garland just re-elected him. Get used the mean Truths
What’s up with Truth Social? This link leads to this: BREAKING NEWS: Rumble Announces A Major Step Towards Merging with NASDAQ: $CFVI
Yes, rumble
https://truthsocial.com/users/rumble/statuses/108806038904392689
Mike Davis is right; a president has the power to declassify documents and other material or information. However, there is a process for doing this and it is a little more involved than just saying he did it.
🤷‍♂️
https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1557799017592922112?s=21&t=i5BlCA_z8kjNbV5Ll7Np3w
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyY2cjk/?k=1
Actually, Garland got smoked out and had no choice.
Another photo. Not sure what it has to do with anything at hand.
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Coach, you are quite the ‘nut kicker’. Is that an accomplishment?
Link to Trump’s a little too late and unnecessary request. Again, had he wanted this information made public, he had the ability to do that on Monday, but he milked it until Thursday night to not be one upped by Garland. 
Kicked in the nuts again….you either have a vagina or they’re inverted
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/11/donald-trump-i-am-encouraging-doj-to-release-search-warrant-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/


Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 05:34:17 PM
This was a good read. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the documents in question had been declassified. If they had been, someone carelessly forgot to update the markings or notations on them to reflect this. There also is an ongoing debate as to whether Trump had the power to declassify them.
My question is if he declassified them, when did he do this? Before or after he moved them to Mar-a-largo? Whatever ability a president to declassify these things is ends when his or her term ends.  And as previously mentioned there is a process that is followed.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-declassification-rationale-idiotic-chaos-inducing-ex-fbi-agent-1733453
Welp…
White House documents that former President Donald Trump brought with him to Mar-a-Lago had been declassified, Trump allies said.
Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday that he had "personally approved" the search of Trump's Florida home, which was raided by FBI agents on Monday. Multiple reports said the raid was related to the handling of presidential records, including classified documents, after leaving office.
The Justice Department has prosecuted cases involving the mishandling of classified information, but no such case has been brought against a former president — the one government official who can declassify information at will.
Ric Grenell, who was Trump's acting director of national intelligence, told NBC News that documents can be declassified if the president simply says they are.
"There is no approval process for the president of the United States to declassify intelligence," Grenell told NBC News. "There is this phony idea that he must provide notification for declassification, but that's just silly. Who is he supposed to notify? I think it's the height of swampism to think the president should seek bureaucrats' approval."
Kash Patel, a Pentagon chief of staff during the Trump administration, in May said that documents previously recovered from Mar-a-Lago had been declassified by Trump, but their markings were not updated.
"Trump declassified whole sets of materials in anticipation of leaving government that he thought the American public should have the right to read themselves," Patel told Breitbart News.
The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified. I was there with President Trump when he said, 'We are declassifying this information.'"
At the time, Patel did not specify what the earlier documents were, but added, "it's information that Trump felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more. We are declassifying this information."
The 1978 Presidential Records Act requires presidents to turn over documents to the National Archives at the end of their administration. Although the law does not specify enforcement, there are multiple federal laws regarding the handling of classified documents.
As the facts stand now, his [Trump's] defense would be, 'I declassified those documents. I am not therefore in possession of classified documents now,'" Charles Stimson, a senior fellow with the Heritage Foundation and a former federal prosecutor, told NBC News.
Trump foes, however, reject the notion a president can declassify documents so easily.
"He can't just wave a wand and say it's declassified," Richard Immerman, a historian and former assistant deputy director of national intelligence under former President Barack Obama, told NBC News. "There has to be a formal process. That's the only way the system can work.
"I've seen thousands of declassified documents. They're all marked 'declassified' with the date they were declassified."
One source told NBC News that Trump as president wasn't concerned with formal protocol.
"We've told him there's a process and not following it could be a problem but he didn't care because he thinks this stuff is dumb," the source said of declassifying documents. "His attitude is that he is the president. He is in charge of the country and therefore national security. So he decides."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-allies-declassified/2022/08/12/id/1082839/?ns_mail_uid=8b9b65c6-1bb0-4a37-966e-912de1caf965&ns_mail_job=DM365402_08122022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502s6b7ir
Now you are talking about Hunter Biden again. I might have this wrong, but what does Hunter Biden have to do with the FBI search at Mar-a-Largo. Maybe you digressed or simply when off topic.
Then the attention would turn to his son. Biden and his kid were caught on tape about knowing and talking about his son's business dealings that he lied about. It's not a matter "if" he knew....he knew and lied about it
You can say this FBI search at Trump’s abode is falling apart all you want. That does not make it so. Time will tell if it falls apart or not.
And here you go again Broseph McCarthy. You should have been around in the 1950’s.
As usual the lefts little game by raiding Trumps house is rapidly falling apart..just like “Russian Collusion” the hooker, pee gate, the Ukraine call, the two fake impeachments and the fake January 6 hearings where they keep getting caught in lies and altering evidence because they know they don’t have shit all the while locking up political prisoners on trespassing and trumped up charges while not allowing due process.
Whoever supports this, supports communism. Prove me wrong
Ah, but were this so. If you try to be openminded, great. It doesn’t show. Maybe you could try harder.
I stay open minded but trying to listen to both sides, unfortunately the left is so predictable by accusing the right of doing the exact same things that they are doing 10 fold…then you have the history which became more evident during the Obama years that it’s not just impossible to ignore but now expected. We are now, literally, into American Marxism no exaggeration and history shows that never has worked and has ALWAYS ended bad. Especially for regimes
This is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Even if proved wrong, it wouldn’t change it unfortunately.
What laws? What Justice system? Do you mean two teared Justice system that accuses Trump of doing then when debunked it’s really exact same thing the left (Biden especially) are doing with no repercussions? Prove me wrong…for once
Rumble Levin again. Are you and he bedfellows? You do seem to think alike.
You’re one of the dumbest SOB’s to grace this site
https://rumble.com/v1fuztp-the-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-is-a-symbol-of-marxism-in-america.html?mref=9yobh&mc=2cpbn
Oh, the media! Sources say bla, bla, bla. So many sources so few truths or proofs. Both the left and right media are guilty of the unanimous sources’ ploy. Not that there aren’t sources which cannot at this point be revealed, but when there’s no one to check with, it only means so much which in my opinion isn’t very much.
https://conservativebrief.com/privilege-65544/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=Art
Lurker and Prime actually think the FBI actually did this by the book…lol
I’m having a déjà vu moment here. Somewhere recently I read something you wrote about an unraveling. Where could that have been?
Really? Then why didn’t they do that? I’ll ask you the same question I always ask, what part of this was a legit raid. Careful with your answer because this started unraveling from day one and is still continuing to unravel
Like literally almost everything the left does, this was an illegal raid
I am not going to bother following this link. What the ‘F’ does a Clinton lawsuit recusal have to do with Trump’s classified or not classified documents seizure?
https://conservativebrief.com/trumps-attorney-demands-to-know-why-judge-who-signed-warrant-recused-himself-from-clinton-lawsuit-65524/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD
Finally! I didn’t think this fun little exercise was ever going to end. But here we are back to where we started. Now you can stop saying I didn’t bother to watch or read your so-called proof. I read it. I don’t think there is proof of anything here. Sorry.
I did. Several times in this thread, you just didn’t  bother to watch or read it
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 14, 2022, 05:57:32 PM
Prime, wtf bro? Don’t quote and write so much shit, it’s worse than a Matt C post. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 06:02:35 PM
It's clear Trump's opponents have a wicked hard on for him. It's been a backfire strategy every time and it's a misallocation of attention since it doesn't help the country.

I don't even like the dude. I think he's an egomaniacal huckster who crossed the line into sedition, and I agree with Oly that he called for his supporters to come and fight then left them twisting in the wind when it became politically inconvenient to defend them.

Now this golf clown from the 80s tabloids might get to ride political victimhood into office again. He would have faded. They keep juicing him up because they can't let it go. If you dislike Donald Trump, you should be angry at the Democrats for sponsoring his 24 candidacy.

My take is a little different from yours.

Yes, Trump has proved these old sayings to be true, "There's no such thing as bad press." and "Any press is good press." It is often used to spin negative press as something positive. If there is one thing Trump is genius at it is his abilities at self promotion.

Almost all of the slings and arrows thrown at Trump have backfired. The man is made of Teflon. I can't help but wonder each time something new comes to light if this isn't the time when the jig is finally up. I hate to admit it, there have been times when my fingers were crossed.

What is really weird is that Trump is the hero of the anti-establishment while there is no one who is more a part of the establishment than he is. He may not be as wealthy as he claims but he is no pauper either... far from it. Maybe some of these folks hope some of his success will rub off on them. He is the champion of the underdog all the while being something of the top dog. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2022, 06:04:51 PM
suggest you make the rebuttals after the coach leaves rather than before otherwise your overall presentation  more confusing than his

Good point. I'd fix it but I already put too much time today into a response that no doubt means nothing to him.  :)
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Post by: chaos on August 14, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
Unfortunately, there are some folks who are dead serious about starting a civil war over Trump's folly. Word of warning, don't expect him to fight it with you or bail you out should you be arrested.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=treats+of+civil+war&docid=20711265449655&mid=C7B2F20B702262507454C7B2F20B702262507454&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
This is where you're wrong. If you ever listened to the people talking like that, they're are specifically saying these things because DEMOCRATS are taking their rights away. Absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Turn off your tv for fucks sake. ::)
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Post by: chaos on August 14, 2022, 07:45:56 PM
Prime, wtf bro? Don’t quote and write so much shit, it’s worse than a Matt C post video.
:-X
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 09:25:53 PM
Not much to say about this except it is your opening post in this tread. My hope is that Trump's power is waning. The first link below is an effort to discredit the judge who signed the warrant and isn’t relevant.
The second link is as stated at the beginning an OPIONION piece. Opinions aren’t factsNot proof of anything.  Post a link to the FBI disallowing Trump’s lawyer’s presence during the search.Cute. But this is just your ineffective effort to distract.More irrelevance on your part.
Another feeble attempt to discredit the Judge who approved the warrant. Not proof of anything. Sorry.Biden and Afghanistan… distraction… irrelevant… not proofDifferent issue and completely irrelevant.You still find time to work? Amazing!Revisiting the lawyers present issue. Just curious, was the FBI supposed to put the search on hold until Trump’s lawyers showed up? Childish name calling. Something people do when they have nothing of value to say.
Link: If Trump says it,  it must be true, because Trump never lies. LOL!Irrelevant. January 6th issue again. Nothing to do with FBI search or proof of anything.If you say he was kicked in the nuts than it must be so. NOT!Losing it nonsense. Not relevant.You are right, reading your posts in this thread is the height of satire.You really love calling people Communist. You should have been around in the McCarthy era. You’ve have made a good assistant to him.
The link is interesting.  You think it is a positive that Trump uses everything that happens to pick his supporter’s pockets? He’s an opportunist, nothing more.More January 6th distraction from the thread topic nonsense. If you say we three get owned, it must be so. At least in your mind it is. Some disagree. It is nice to see The Scott back and kicking butt. I left this post simply because it you posted it and it is in this tread. More of the samePossibly, but since the search was in the works for some time it seems kind of unlikely. Seems like Trump would have to be an idiot to not know this would happen given all the requests he ignored.Trump was served with a subpoena two months prior to the FBI search. A subpoena he ignored.Let’s hope not. Trump’s already done enough damage.How exciting, a link to Truth Social… Oops! Note at top of page saying this resource cannot be found. Darn.Maybe because Trump ignored the subpoena which is what led to the warrant. Duh.
Just.stop.talking? Are you exasperated again?
Another opinion. This time it is Mark Levin’s opinion. Gee whiz. Impressive! I see now where you got the idea about the subpoena. Both you and Mark must have missed that there was a subpoena issued two months prior to the search. Very intradasting.  Is it possible his webpage was removed because there were threats on his life? Glad you didn’t include his address and phone number in this post. Irrelevant photo not shown… why? Well because it isn’t relevant.It might be helpful is Trump explained some things. On the other hand he lies so much intelligent people wouldn’t believe him even if just this once he was being truthful.You lose points for name calling, Coach.What’s up with Truth Social? This link leads to this: BREAKING NEWS: Rumble Announces A Major Step Towards Merging with NASDAQ: $CFVIMike Davis is right; a president has the power to declassify documents and other material or information. However, there is a process for doing this and it is a little more involved than just saying he did it. Another photo. Not sure what it has to do with anything at hand. Coach, you are quite the ‘nut kicker’. Is that an accomplishment?
Link to Trump’s a little too late and unnecessary request. Again, had he wanted this information made public, he had the ability to do that on Monday, but he milked it until Thursday night to not be one upped by Garland.

While you must have to every post for other people that I responded including yourself, im not going take the time to type out every response to your non-answer answers. Rather I would love to bring your responses to the forefront by setting aside time for a face to face live debate.

But here is where you’re either naive or just don’t want to admit you’re wrong. 1. Everything I posted is relevant to show raid on Trumps property that I posted especially when it comes to the judge and the fake Jan 6 show trial

As far as opinion pieces go, there are usually facts in the opinion pieces.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/14/trump-raid-doj-allegedly-seized-privileged-attorney-client-materials/

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

https://www.oann.com/trump-attorney-fbi-did-not-allow-us-to-watch-raid/

https://fb.watch/eVzjRXNcMf/?fs=e&s=cl
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2022, 09:30:54 PM
And Prime, while we’re at it. Where was your rhetoric when Clinton destroyed 33,000 emails? The double standard and two tiered Justice systems are ALL relevant in this

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-archives-official-notified-doj-trump-probe-declined-clinton-emails
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 15, 2022, 03:06:13 AM
And Prime, while we’re at it. Where was your rhetoric when Clinton destroyed 33,000 emails? The double standard and two tiered Justice systems are ALL relevant in this

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-archives-official-notified-doj-trump-probe-declined-clinton-emails
They only accept news articles from CNN.
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2022, 03:55:23 AM
My take is a little different from yours.

Yes, Trump has proved these old sayings to be true, "There's no such thing as bad press." and "Any press is good press." It is often used to spin negative press as something positive. If there is one thing Trump is genius at it is his abilities at self promotion.

Almost all of the slings and arrows thrown at Trump have backfired. The man is made of Teflon. I can't help but wonder each time something new comes to light if this isn't the time when the jig is finally up. I hate to admit it, there have been times when my fingers were crossed.

What is really weird is that Trump is the hero of the anti-establishment while there is no one who is more a part of the establishment than he is. He may not be as wealthy as he claims but he is no pauper either... far from it. Maybe some of these folks hope some of his success will rub off on them. He is the champion of the underdog all the while being something of the top dog.

I don't think he's any kind of genius or teflon clad. He's basically an opportunistic doofus. The reason nothing sticks to him is because the people hunting him keep making shit up that isn't true, like how he's a Russian agent. Was anyone ever held accountable for that? Screw Trump's feelings but that was a deliberate attempt to fuck with an election. Big medicine.

He's got money but I'm on the fence about whether he's part of the political establishment. His anti war rhetoric/ no more US taxpayers footing the bill to police the world (generally correct) really roused the ire of well entrenched and influential (and possibly necessary) military-industrial types. His failure to start a war with Iran after they launched missiles at our troops (and it was a failure imo, since Iran will develop nuclear capability unless stopped) did the same, and probably pissed off Israel as well, since they're gone on the afternoon of the same day Iran achieves capability.

He did plenty of political establishment shit tho. Hardly the sort of maverick his supporters or detractors claim he is. A true antiestablishment guy would have broken with fucked up policies perpetuated by both parties. He would have celebrated Assange and Snowden, hauled up every motherfarker responsible for constant universal surveillance right into the light of day, for one thing. I didn't see that from this Man of the People. I didn't see him successfully implement an airtight border security plan, which was his principal promise. He didn't leave Afghanistan. I think Yemen was on his watch. There was a lot of business as usual.
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Post by: illuminati on August 15, 2022, 05:35:31 AM
And Prime, while we’re at it. Where was your rhetoric when Clinton destroyed 33,000 emails? The double standard and two tiered Justice systems are ALL relevant in this

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-archives-official-notified-doj-trump-probe-declined-clinton-emails

Good Point - over to you Prime.........
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 06:21:52 AM
The TDS crowd can't help it.   Trump owns their minds. 

I don't think he's any kind of genius or teflon clad. He's basically an opportunistic doofus. The reason nothing sticks to him is because the people hunting him keep making shit up that isn't true, like how he's a Russian agent. Was anyone ever held accountable for that? Screw Trump's feelings but that was a deliberate attempt to fuck with an election. Big medicine.

He's got money but I'm on the fence about whether he's part of the political establishment. His anti war rhetoric/ no more US taxpayers footing the bill to police the world (generally correct) really roused the ire of well entrenched and influential (and possibly necessary) military-industrial types. His failure to start a war with Iran after they launched missiles at our troops (and it was a failure imo, since Iran will develop nuclear capability unless stopped) did the same, and probably pissed off Israel as well, since they're gone on the afternoon of the same day Iran achieves capability.

He did plenty of political establishment shit tho. Hardly the sort of maverick his supporters or detractors claim he is. A true antiestablishment guy would have broken with fucked up policies perpetuated by both parties. He would have celebrated Assange and Snowden, hauled up every motherfarker responsible for constant universal surveillance right into the light of day, for one thing. I didn't see that from this Man of the People. I didn't see him successfully implement an airtight border security plan, which was his principal promise. He didn't leave Afghanistan. I think Yemen was on his watch. There was a lot of business as usual.
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 15, 2022, 06:25:55 AM
Quote
No matter Trump’s myriad flaws, the legal argument over whether or not he had used his presidential authority to declassify the documents seized by the FBI last Monday is contested by lawyers on both sides and no discernible reason has emerged for the cack-handed urgency.

We’ve had a flurry of leaks from the DOJ and the White House in an attempt at post-facto justification for this precedent-setting law enforcement overreach. It’s nuclear secrets. It’s Jared Kushner and the Saudis. Leak, leak, leak to the usual suspects.

But we’ve seen this playbook before. The Russia hoax, two impeachments, Alpha Bank, the Steele Dossier, Carter Page, the FBI lovebirds, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen, Michael Avenatti, Adam Schiff, and on and on relentlessly.

So, forgive us for being skeptical. When the same top Obama administration officials who ran the Russia hoax are now back in the White House and running the DOJ it’s hard not to believe they are up to their old tricks.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/14/joe-biden-is-really-spiteful/

Summed up well.

The bolded shows the examples that counter anyone who tries to claim "both sides" are equally bad in this context.   Not even close. Trump broke the left's minds.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 07:14:38 AM
Let me start by suggesting you read the excellent, comprehensive analysis by Sundance at The Conservative Tree House. I can sum up the Trump documents very succinctly–the documents show that there was a coordinated effort by the CIA, the FBI and DOD starting in the summer of 2015 to interfere in the 2016 election. Part of this effort involved using NSA produced intelligence. Oliver Stone’s movie, Snowden, has a scene that accurately describes what NSA was collecting and how it could be used:

When the conspiracy started in the summer of 2015 to interfere in the 2016 election on behalf of Hillary Clinton by the leadership of the CIA, the FBI and DOD, Donald Trump was not the only target. Few believed at the time that Trump had a snowball’s chance in the raging inferno of Hell to win the nomination, much less the Presidency. There were active searches for compromising intel on all of the leading Republican candidates, including Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and on Bernie Sanders.

Director of National Intelligence, worked with British counterparts starting in the summer of 2015 to collect intelligence on Republican and at least one Democrat candidate. John Brennan was probably hoping that his proactive steps to help the Hillary Clinton campaign would ensure him taking over as DNI in the new Clinton Administration. Regardless of motives, the CIA enlisted the British intelligence community to start gathering intelligence on most major Republican candidates and on Bernie Sanders. This initial phase of intelligence gathering goes beyond opposition research. The information being gathered identified the key personnel in each campaign and identified the people outside the United States receiving their calls, texts and emails. This information was turned into intelligence reports that then were passed back to the United States intel community as “liaison reporting.” This was not put into normal classified channels. This intelligence was put into a SAP, i.e. a Special Access Program.

This initial phase of intelligence collection produced a great volume of intelligence that allowed analysts to identify key personnel and the people they were communicating with overseas. You don’t have to have access to intelligence information to understand this.

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Let me give you one example of how intelligence intercepts were used to target specific individuals. Ask yourself, , “how did George Papadopoulos get on the radar?” Papadopoulos was living in London and communicating with Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager at the time. Those communications were intercepted by the UK’s GCHQ and passed, through liaison channels, to the NSA. That information was used in turn by the CIA and the FBI, working with British Intelligence, to ensnare Papadopoulos. He was offered a job, for example, at a firm tied to British Intelligence and subsequently introduced to Joseph Mifsud.

I am confident that some of the documents Trump has show that George Papadopoulos was identified as a possible target by the fall of 2015. Initially, his name was “masked.” But we now know that many people on the Trump campaign had their names “unmasked.” You cannot unmask someone unless their name is in an intelligence report.


Here is another example, we also know that Felix Sater–a longtime business associate of Donald Trump and an FBI informant since December 1998 (he was signed up by Andrew Weismann)–initiated the proposal to do a Trump Tower in Moscow. Don’t take my word for it, that’s what Robert Mueller reported:

In the late summer of 2015, the Trump Organization received a new inquiry about pursuing a Trump Tower project in Moscow. In approximately September 2015, Felix Sater . . . contacted Cohen (i.e., Michael Cohen) on behalf of I.C. Expert Investment Company (I.C. Expert), a Russian real-estate development corporation controlled by Andrei Vladimirovich Rozov. Sater had known Rozov since approximately 2007 and, in 2014, had served as an agent on behalf of Rozov during Rozov’s purchase of a building in New York City. Sater later contacted Rozov and proposed that I.C. Expert pursue a Trump Tower Moscow project in which I.C. Expert would license the name and brand from the Trump Organization but construct the building on its own. Sater worked on the deal with Rozov and another employee of I.C. Expert. (see page 69 of the Mueller Report).

Sater’s communication with Rozov were intercepted by western intelligence agencies–GCHQ and NSA. I do not know which agency put it into an intel report, but it was put into the system. The Sater FD-1023 will tell us whether or not Sater did this at the direction of the FBI or acted on his own initiative. The key point is that the “bait” to do something with the Russians came from a registered FBI informant.

By December of 2015, the Hillary Campaign decided to use the Russian angle on Donald Trump. Thanks to Wikileaks we have Campaign Manager John Podesta’s email exchange in December 2015 with Democratic operative Brent Budowsky:

“That’s good, sooner it’s clarified the better, and the stronger the better,” Budowski replies, later adding: “Best approach is to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin, but not go too far betting on Putin re Syria.”

By late December, the intelligence/law enforcement operation targeted Donald Trump as it became clear that he was likely to win the Republican nomination.

I believe Donald Trump is holding trump cards that irrefutably show that the CIA, the FBI and DOD were communicating in Top Secret channels about these activities and that the coordination also included foreign intelligence personnel in at least the UK and Australia.

I hope this helps you understand the desperation of the U.S. national security agencies to keep this stuff hidden. The revelations, if they come, will be devastating.

 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/understanding-deep-state-terrified-trumps-documents/
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 07:37:40 AM
Hey Prime, if they went through and investigated (real investigations not Soviet-style investigations) everyone in Congress for actual Treason and other nefarious deeds, what do you think would have found and convicted on?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/oh-no-nancy-pelosi-secretly-met-taiwan-chip-manufacturer-pelosis-son-2nd-largest-stakeholder-china-related-company-absolutely-no-business-discussed/
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
TRUMP: FBI took my passports in Mar-a-Lago Raid
Truth Social ^
Posted on 8/15/2022, 1:52:00


Wow! In the raid by the FBI of Mar-a-Lago, they stole my three Passports (one expired), along with everything else. This is an assault on a political opponent at a level never seen before in our Country. Third World!


________________________ _______ 


WTFNG heck! 
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2022, 11:33:37 AM
Lots of theories the left did this to give support to Trump and avoid DeSantis.

Possibly. Splitting the conservative vote is the Dems only hope after the Biden shitshow, but I read it more as a continuation of the already well established Trump hunt.

Kinda curious if DeSantis will nab Trump's thunder and be all "The State of Florida will not tolerate these politically motivated federal intrusions!"

Probably not but it'd be fun.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 11:38:44 AM
Possibly. Splitting the conservative vote is the Dems only hope after the Biden shitshow, but I read it more as a continuation of the already well established Trump hunt.

Kinda curious if DeSantis will nab Trump's thunder and be all "The State of Florida will not tolerate these politically motivated federal intrusions!"

Probably not but it'd be fun.


I want DeSantis mainly as he was the best Gov during the Covid insanity and so far has the best record in the country vs the lunatic left wing nuts. 

He has great credentials and record and Liberal sick mentally ill people like Prime know they have zero on him. 
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2022, 11:48:38 AM

I want DeSantis mainly as he was the best Gov during the Covid insanity and so far has the best record in the country vs the lunatic left wing nuts. 

He has great credentials and record and Liberal sick mentally ill people like Prime know they have zero on him.

Mandates and how people responded are a huge issue for me. He definitely led the charge for liberty in his state and stayed true to it as everyone raked him over the coals.

I was disappointed Trump didn't come out swinging about vax mandates. I think he's on record stating his opposition to them but he was pretty quiet about it overall.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 11:50:56 AM
Mandates and how people responded are a huge issue for me. He definitely led the charge for liberty in his state and stayed true to it as everyone raked him over the coals.

I was disappointed Trump didn't come out swinging about vax mandates. I think he's on record stating his opposition to them but he was pretty quiet about it overall.

Same.  I am still hot over the covidian cult stupidity we were forced to endure. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 15, 2022, 11:55:45 AM
This is where you're wrong. If you ever listened to the people talking like that, they're are specifically saying these things because DEMOCRATS are taking their rights away. Absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Turn off your tv for fucks sake. ::)

Turning the TV off makes no difference since I didn't hear or see this on the television. Also, I avoid watching news stations. Last night I watched two BBC shows, Escape to Country and Gardener's Paradise with Monty Don.

So then, are you saying there is no truth to this? Nobody on the right is calling for civil war since the search event. I hope you are right because that is good news.


"Some on the far right have been calling for civil war since an FBI raid on Trump's Florida home."
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 12:01:17 PM
Turning the TV off makes no difference since I didn't hear or see this on the television. Also, I avoid watching news stations. Last night I watched two BBC shows, Escape to Country and Gardener's Paradise with Monty Don.

So then, are you saying there is no truth to this? Nobody on the right is calling for civil war since the search event. I hope you are right because that is good news.


"Some on the far right have been calling for civil war since an FBI raid on Trump's Florida home."

More gaslighting and fake nonsense you idiots believe and buy into.   Turn off MSNBC and CNN for F Sake.  How gullible are you? 

You probably also believed the FAKE russian collusion hoax,   the michigan hoAX, the steele dossier HOAX, the hooker peeing in the bed hoax, the russian bounty HOAX. 

Liberals have no credibility whatsoever on this or anything else after all the fake nonsense you went all in on. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2022, 12:04:49 PM
Same.  I am still hot over the covidian cult stupidity we were forced to endure.

Yep. There's an alternate timeline where rona vaxes never got any safer but variants hadn't yet evolved to escape vax immunity. In that world, there's quarterly booster mandates and the Australian authorities have siezed my property for nonpayment of vax fines and I'm held in a quarantine camp.

If their useless shit remained even halfway effective that's how it would have gone.

Except I would not have gone to a camp. At all.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 12:08:42 PM
Yep. There's an alternate timeline where rona vaxes never got any safer but variants hadn't yet evolved to escape vax immunity. In that world, there's quarterly booster mandates and the Australian authorities have siezed my property for nonpayment of vax fines and I'm held in a quarantine camp.

If their useless shit remained even halfway effective that's how it would have gone.

The branch covidian cult hypochondriacs destroyed kids, businesses, relationships, careers, economies, etc.  These same POS are still in masks and boosting their asses every few months and demanding others do the same despite what we know now. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 15, 2022, 12:18:26 PM
While you must have to every post for other people that I responded including yourself, im not going take the time to type out every response to your non-answer answers. Rather I would love to bring your responses to the forefront by setting aside time for a face to face live debate.

But here is where you’re either naive or just don’t want to admit you’re wrong. 1. Everything I posted is relevant to show raid on Trumps property that I posted especially when it comes to the judge and the fake Jan 6 show trial

As far as opinion pieces go, there are usually facts in the opinion pieces.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/14/trump-raid-doj-allegedly-seized-privileged-attorney-client-materials/

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

https://www.oann.com/trump-attorney-fbi-did-not-allow-us-to-watch-raid/

https://fb.watch/eVzjRXNcMf/?fs=e&s=cl

You said you posted proof several times. I didn't recall that you had so I decided to do a thorough search of the thread, which turned up almost nothing supporting your claim. What I found was a couple of times that you posted links to opinion pieces and a couple of times you posted links that were broken (led nowhere). I did not find where you posted proof of anything.

You are right, there may be facts to be found in some opinion pieces. However, an opinion does not require there be facts to support it.

"Unlike facts, opinions can't be verified. They can be supported by evidence as in persuasive writing, but don't need to be. Anyone can have any opinion about anything because it doesn't need to be based."

https://examples.yourdictionary.com/fact-vs-opinion-simple-examples-show-difference

An in-person discussion might be interesting. I have no doubt that if it were a contest, you’d win because you are much more passionate about what you believe than I am. Maybe when you get a little farther along in life, you’ll come to realize that “shit happens” and has happened many times before and somehow, we survived it because here we are still talking about it.

Honestly, debating with you has often been entertaining and sometimes informative. I remember several years ago you and I had a lot of discussion about health insurance. I learned from you that there are health insurance cooperatives which operate differently than conventional health insurance. Are you still participating in a health insurance cooperative? Does it continue to fill your needs?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 12:25:16 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11113825/Trump-claims-FBI-agents-seized-three-PASSPORTS-Mar-Lago-raid.html


This is really insane now. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 12:26:50 PM
His own attorneys who were on the premises have been on TV saying they were not allowed to view the search and seizure.  Holy F - you are almost as bad as dementia Joe Biden in being ignorant and immune to what is going on.   

You said you posted proof several times. I didn't recall that you had so I decided to do a thorough search of the thread, which turned up almost nothing supporting your claim. What I found was a couple of times that you posted links to opinion pieces and a couple of times you posted links that were broken (led nowhere). I did not find where you posted proof of anything.

You are right, there may be facts to be found in some opinion pieces. However, an opinion does not require there be facts to support it.

"Unlike facts, opinions can't be verified. They can be supported by evidence as in persuasive writing, but don't need to be. Anyone can have any opinion about anything because it doesn't need to be based."

https://examples.yourdictionary.com/fact-vs-opinion-simple-examples-show-difference

An in-person discussion might be interesting. I have no doubt that if it were a contest, you’d win because you are much more passionate about what you believe than I am. Maybe when you get a little farther along in life, you’ll come to realize that “shit happens” and has happened many times before and somehow, we survived it because here we are still talking about it.

Honestly, debating with you has often been entertaining and sometimes informative. I remember several years ago you and I had a lot of discussion about health insurance. I learned from you that there are health insurance cooperatives which operate differently than conventional health insurance. Are you still participating in a health insurance cooperative? Does it continue to fill your needs?
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2022, 12:32:22 PM
The branch covidian cult hypochondriacs destroyed kids, businesses, relationships, careers, economies, etc.  These same POS are still in masks and boosting their asses every few months and demanding others do the same despite what we know now.

They're free to take as many as they want. Each man makes his choice, even when he's told he doesn't have one. Especially when he's told he doesn't have one.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
Donald Trump: FBI ‘Stole’ Passports in Mar-a-Lago Raid
Breitbart ^ | 15 Aug 2022 | WENDELL HUSEBØ
Posted on 8/15/2022, 3:40:11 PM by conservative98

Former President Donald Trump on Monday claimed that the FBI “stole” his “passports” in last week’s raid on his private residence at Mar-a-Lago, Florida.

“In the raid by the FBI of Mar-a-Lago, they stole my three Passports (one expired), along with everything else,” he said via Truth Social. “This is an assault on a political opponent at a level never seen before in our Country. Third World!”

The passports were not independently itemized on the FBI’s property receipt of the 28 inventory items federal agents seized.

The warrant, which Attorney General Merrick Garland says he approved and was signed by Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, did not state that they could take Trump’s passport. Typically, the government needs a separate court order to seize someone’s passport, even temporarily.

Trump also stated that the FBI’s raid on his residence could cause Republicans to retake both the House and the Senate. Republicans are considered likely to reclaim the House, while analysis say the Senate is a tossup.

“Republicans could win many additional seats, both in the House & Senate, because of the strong backlash over the raid at Mat-a-Lago. Polls are showing that some lost Republican territory over the last number of weeks has been more than made up with the unannounced Break In by the FBI, which should never have happened!,” Trump said on his platform.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 15, 2022, 12:54:02 PM
More gaslighting and fake nonsense you idiots believe and buy into.   Turn off MSNBC and CNN for F Sake.  How gullible are you? 

You probably also believed the FAKE russian collusion hoax,   the michigan hoAX, the steele dossier HOAX, the hooker peeing in the bed hoax, the russian bounty HOAX. 

Liberals have no credibility whatsoever on this or anything else after all the fake nonsense you went all in on.

Guess you missed where I said I don't watch the news on television. I also do not subscribe to hardcopy newspapers. The media and it's subscribers are hooked on negative news... mostly news no one can personally do anything about. Life is too short to spend it wallowing in negativity. If something really important happens, even people who never follow the news find out about it.

There is a good chance I will never come in contact with the FBI. There is no reason they would raid my home and I don't believe they do this just for the heck of it.

I do believe sometimes some FBI agents mess up. In 2010 Mohamed Osman Mohamud a radicalized kid who was no saint by anyone's standards, IMO, was setup by two FBI agents who were pretending to help him in a plot to bomb Pioneer Square in Portland during the annual Christmas tree lighting. Mohamed ended up being sentenced to 30 years in federal prison and a lifetime of supervision. There is some doubt that the plot would ever have progressed to the point it did had the FBI not pretended to be his cohort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Portland_car_bomb_plot
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 01:08:45 PM
Guess you missed where I said I don't watch the news on television. I also do not subscribe to hardcopy newspapers. The media and it's subscribers are hooked on negative news... mostly news no one can personally do anything about. Life is too short to spend it wallowing in negativity. If something really important happens, even people who never follow the news find out about it.

There is a good chance I will never come in contact with the FBI. There is no reason they would raid my home and I don't believe they do this just for the heck of it.

I do believe sometimes some FBI agents mess up. In 2010 Mohamed Osman Mohamud a radicalized kid who was no saint by anyone's standards, IMO, was setup by two FBI agents who were pretending to help him in a plot to bomb Pioneer Square in Portland during the annual Christmas tree lighting. Mohamed ended up being sentenced to 30 years in federal prison and a lifetime of supervision. There is some doubt that the plot would ever have progressed to the point it did had the FBI not pretended to be his cohort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Portland_car_bomb_plot

That is the tip of the iceberg of fake stuff we have had to endure.  How about almost every single school shooter was warned to the FBI and they did nothing? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on August 15, 2022, 01:33:54 PM
Banana Republic.  And watch the GOP essentially do nothing.  Trump will probably be the only one swinging. 

And again, where is the ACLU?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on August 15, 2022, 01:40:08 PM
New twist in FBI raid: Trump had 'standing order' to declassify documents taken to residence
Former president's office describe previously undeclared process that led to sensitive documents landing in Mar-O-Lago.
By John Solomon
Updated: August 13, 2022
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump-describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 15, 2022, 02:15:26 PM
These fascists have no boundaries.

Justice Department Accused of Taking Attorney-Client Material at Mar-a-Lago
August 14, 2022
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/08/14/justice-department-accused-of-taking-attorney-client-material-at-mar-a-lago/
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 03:09:58 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/alleged-passport-seizure-at-mar-a-lago-could-undermine-trumps-civil-rights/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/trump-spox-turns-tables-on-doj-have-items-they-have-no-legal-authority-to-possess/
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 04:43:57 PM
Lurkio my dear Idiot - If shit were Brains - Yours would be Very watery Diarrhea.
As you speak nothing but verbal Diarrhea it constantly Runs out of your mouth.

Your scat fetish is creepy.  Not as creepy as your lack of education though.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 04:48:37 PM
Give us some specifics on what you believe is the unraveling of the FBI's raid. Seems to me Trump's responses are what is unraveling. He maintained the FBI was keeping the details of the warrant secret... that was until he was called on it because he had a copy of the warrant which had he wanted it made public he could have done so himself. Instead, he changes direction and gives the FBI 'permission' to do this. Then Garland took Trump up on his offer or called his bluff if you prefer. Let's see how Trump and his followers 'spin' this now.   

Exactly!   Simple facts just don't register in Retard Land.  It takes a special kind of stupid to try to deflect and deny what reality is presenting as facts.   Oh well... Qoach has a lot of practice at it.

The spin :

Trumpy didn't take the documents.  Ok he did but he declassified them.  Oh that was the other documents, well he didn't take these.  Wait, he did.  But he didn't declassify them because the FBI planted them.  But they didn't because Trumpy had to move in a hurry because his orange ass was getting evicted so he took them by accident or maybe not because everyone just takes things like that.

 ::)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 04:49:58 PM
Lots of theories the left did this to give support to Trump and avoid DeSantis.


Hmmmmm......   now that is actually an intellectual CT.  None of this fake birth certificate, jewish space laser or chinese thermostats that vote kind of shit.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 04:54:49 PM
Not much to say about this except it is your opening post in this tread. My hope is that Trump's power is waning. The first link below is an effort to discredit the judge who signed the warrant and isn’t relevant.
The second link is as stated at the beginning an OPIONION piece. Opinions aren’t factsNot proof of anything.  Post a link to the FBI disallowing Trump’s lawyer’s presence during the search.Cute. But this is just your ineffective effort to distract.More irrelevance on your part.
Another feeble attempt to discredit the Judge who approved the warrant. Not proof of anything. Sorry.Biden and Afghanistan… distraction… irrelevant… not proofDifferent issue and completely irrelevant.You still find time to work? Amazing!Revisiting the lawyers present issue. Just curious, was the FBI supposed to put the search on hold until Trump’s lawyers showed up? Childish name calling. Something people do when they have nothing of value to say.
Link: If Trump says it,  it must be true, because Trump never lies. LOL!Irrelevant. January 6th issue again. Nothing to do with FBI search or proof of anything.If you say he was kicked in the nuts than it must be so. NOT!Losing it nonsense. Not relevant.You are right, reading your posts in this thread is the height of satire.You really love calling people Communist. You should have been around in the McCarthy era. You’ve have made a good assistant to him.
The link is interesting.  You think it is a positive that Trump uses everything that happens to pick his supporter’s pockets? He’s an opportunist, nothing more.More January 6th distraction from the thread topic nonsense. If you say we three get owned, it must be so. At least in your mind it is. Some disagree. It is nice to see The Scott back and kicking butt. I left this post simply because it you posted it and it is in this tread. More of the samePossibly, but since the search was in the works for some time it seems kind of unlikely. Seems like Trump would have to be an idiot to not know this would happen given all the requests he ignored.Trump was served with a subpoena two months prior to the FBI search. A subpoena he ignored.Let’s hope not. Trump’s already done enough damage.How exciting, a link to Truth Social… Oops! Note at top of page saying this resource cannot be found. Darn.Maybe because Trump ignored the subpoena which is what led to the warrant. Duh.
Just.stop.talking? Are you exasperated again?
Another opinion. This time it is Mark Levin’s opinion. Gee whiz. Impressive! I see now where you got the idea about the subpoena. Both you and Mark must have missed that there was a subpoena issued two months prior to the search. Very intradasting.  Is it possible his webpage was removed because there were threats on his life? Glad you didn’t include his address and phone number in this post. Irrelevant photo not shown… why? Well because it isn’t relevant.It might be helpful is Trump explained some things. On the other hand he lies so much intelligent people wouldn’t believe him even if just this once he was being truthful.You lose points for name calling, Coach.What’s up with Truth Social? This link leads to this: BREAKING NEWS: Rumble Announces A Major Step Towards Merging with NASDAQ: $CFVIMike Davis is right; a president has the power to declassify documents and other material or information. However, there is a process for doing this and it is a little more involved than just saying he did it. Another photo. Not sure what it has to do with anything at hand. Coach, you are quite the ‘nut kicker’. Is that an accomplishment?
Link to Trump’s a little too late and unnecessary request. Again, had he wanted this information made public, he had the ability to do that on Monday, but he milked it until Thursday night to not be one upped by Garland.

This was a good read. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the documents in question had been declassified. If they had been, someone carelessly forgot to update the markings or notations on them to reflect this. There also is an ongoing debate as to whether Trump had the power to declassify them.
My question is if he declassified them, when did he do this? Before or after he moved them to Mar-a-largo? Whatever ability a president to declassify these things is ends when his or her term ends.  And as previously mentioned there is a process that is followed.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-declassification-rationale-idiotic-chaos-inducing-ex-fbi-agent-1733453Now you are talking about Hunter Biden again. I might have this wrong, but what does Hunter Biden have to do with the FBI search at Mar-a-Largo. Maybe you digressed or simply when off topic. You can say this FBI search at Trump’s abode is falling apart all you want. That does not make it so. Time will tell if it falls apart or not.
And here you go again Broseph McCarthy. You should have been around in the 1950’s. Ah, but were this so. If you try to be openminded, great. It doesn’t show. Maybe you could try harder. This is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Even if proved wrong, it wouldn’t change it unfortunately. Rumble Levin again. Are you and he bedfellows? You do seem to think alike. Oh, the media! Sources say bla, bla, bla. So many sources so few truths or proofs. Both the left and right media are guilty of the unanimous sources’ ploy. Not that there aren’t sources which cannot at this point be revealed, but when there’s no one to check with, it only means so much which in my opinion isn’t very much.I’m having a déjà vu moment here. Somewhere recently I read something you wrote about an unraveling. Where could that have been?I am not going to bother following this link. What the ‘F’ does a Clinton lawsuit recusal have to do with Trump’s classified or not classified documents seizure? Finally! I didn’t think this fun little exercise was ever going to end. But here we are back to where we started. Now you can stop saying I didn’t bother to watch or read your so-called proof. I read it. I don’t think there is proof of anything here. Sorry.



Damn.  The most epic ass kicking of 2022. 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 04:57:43 PM
His own attorneys who were on the premises have been on TV saying they were not allowed to view the search and seizure.  Holy F - you are almost as bad as dementia Joe Biden in being ignorant and immune to what is going on.

Pretty standard procedure actually.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 15, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
That is the tip of the iceberg of fake stuff we have had to endure.  How about almost every single school shooter was warned to the FBI and they did nothing?

I don't know this about school shooters. How is it you do? Who has this information and where did they get it? It seems a bit hard to believe since in many cases this was their first crime or at least a crime or activity that would suggest they would become mass murders.

I read some articles that cite the fact that some of these shooters posted threats on the Internet. Made me wonder how many Getbiggers are on the FBI's radar.
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Post by: B_B_C on August 15, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
His own attorneys who were on the premises have been on TV saying they were not allowed to view the search and seizure.

were you not a lawyer previously ?
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2022, 05:05:10 PM
were you not a lawyer previously ?

I am a lawyer presently.   This is not normal. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 15, 2022, 05:10:20 PM
were you not a lawyer previously ?

He isn't still? Did he get disbarred like some of Trump's former attorneys?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
I am a lawyer presently.   This is not normal.

How many FBI raids have you participated in, represented clients during and was allowed to view?

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Donald Trump's attorney, Christina Bobb, said she was "not allowed" to observe FBI agents as they searched the former president's Palm Beach estate, Mar-A-Lago. She made the comments to Real America's Voice, a conservative news network, Tuesday. The FBI, however, is not under any obligation to allow attorneys to oversee a search, a retired FBI agent told Insider.

FBI protocol requires agents to show a copy of the search warrant — as well as provide an itemized list of what was taken after it is finished — but it has discretion on whether to allow the attorney to be present while the search is conducted.

Bobby Chacon, another retired FBI agent and former attorney, told Insider that the agency can "keep them out."

"In a nutshell, no, they don't have a right to be there," Chacon said. "If we want to keep them out, we can keep what we want out while we conduct the search."
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 06:21:16 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/trump-team-drops-email-proving-fbi-wrongly-seized-passports-media-doj-attempted-mislead-public/
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 06:45:11 PM
hahahahha....  stop fucking whining.  The simple fact of all of this is if Trumpy had not taken them in the first place, and if Trumpy didn't have a history of destroying documents or flushing them down the toilet, the raid would never have happened.

The little toddler brought it all upon himself.   

You don't like it?  No one cares.
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Post by: chaos on August 15, 2022, 06:49:39 PM
hahahahha....  stop fucking whining.  The simple fact of all of this is if Trumpy had not taken them in the first place, and if Trumpy didn't have a history of destroying documents or flushing them down the toilet, the raid would never have happened.

The little toddler brought it all upon himself.   

You don't like it?  No one cares.
You don't even know what or if anything was taken, you're celebrating far too early, as usual.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 15, 2022, 06:52:39 PM
You don't even know what or if anything was taken, you're celebrating far too early, as usual.

They've already stated what was taken.  Duh!!!    ::)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 07:29:20 PM
hahahahha....  stop fucking whining.  The simple fact of all of this is if Trumpy had not taken them in the first place, and if Trumpy didn't have a history of destroying documents or flushing them down the toilet, the raid would never have happened.

The little toddler brought it all upon himself.   

You don't like it?  No one cares.

Dipshit, you’ll believe anything as long as it’s against Trump which why you and Prime ALWAYS lose arguments. Mmmmm, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of pages of legit classified documents your boys Obama, Biden and Clinton have in their own possessions?
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2022, 07:31:15 PM
They've already stated what was taken.  Duh!!!    ::)

You mean stolen? Like his passports? If they would steal his passports what makes you think they didn’t steal other private documents? That said…

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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 05:10:33 AM
Trump Accused of Lying Over FBI-Seized Passports, Then He Dropped the Receipts: With every passing day, the FBI’s raid of Mar-a-Lago looks worse and worse.
Red State ^ | 08/15/2022 | Bonchie
Posted on 8/16/2022, 12:40:14 AM


As RedState reported on Monday, Donald Trump accused the FBI of taking his passports during the unprecedented raid of his Florida residence. According to the former president, three passports were taken during the search, which apparently went far beyond just recovering supposedly classified documents that threatened “national security.”

Predictably, after Trump made the claim, the press quickly jumped into the fray to call him a liar. Norah O’Donnell of CBS News claimed via a source that the FBI was “not in possession of former President Trump’s passports.”

NEW: According to a DOJ official, the FBI is NOT in possession of former President Trump's passports. Trump had accused the FBI of stealing his three passports during the search of his Mar-a-Lago home.

— Norah O'Donnell 🇺🇸 (@NorahODonnell) August 15, 2022

When I saw that report from O’Donnell, I put out my own post questioning the phrasing. “Not in possession of” is very specific wording that could have simply meant the FBI had passed them on to another agency. Why not just say “we didn’t take the passports” if they didn’t take the passports?

Well, as it turns out, Trump’s team was ready and waiting with the receipts that showed the press narrative was a falsehood.

This is how Fake News works, folks. Biden admin actively feeds half truths & lies that the media willingly amplifies—advancing a partisan narrative to attack Trump.@NorahODonnell, did your “source” read you this email? Did you bother asking if they indeed seized the passports? https://t.co/DlzkagN0ie pic.twitter.com/VwCU7DPCvg

— Taylor Budowich (@TayFromCA) August 15, 2022

Incredibly (or perhaps not so), instead of admitting their mistake, members of the press rushed out to somehow make the revelation about…Trump’s supposed dishonesty.

So Trump team now publicizing this email, which shows:

1) DOJ obtained three passports (two expired, not one, as Trump said) and alerted Trump lawyers
2) They were recovered by a filter team, which weeds out privileged info.
3) Trump publicized this after DOJ offered them back


pic.twitter.com/lz8wneIQ0a

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) August 15, 2022

So let me get this straight. The FBI did indeed seize Trump’s passports, which seems incredibly improper given what was legally allowed to be taken by the warrant, and that’s somehow his fault? A passport is not something you just accidentally grab, thinking it’s a presidential record. It’s the kind of thing that an agent purposely took and knew exactly what they were taking. Yet, the big gotcha here is that Trump was wrong about the expiration date on one of the passports. It’s absurd.

The big story here is that the FBI took the passports in the first place. It is not that Trump shared an email that ended up embarrassing the bureau’s leadership, who were apparently content to keep lying about the matter via leaks until the former president exposed them. Now, the mainstream media wants to pretend like the seizure was just an honest mistake that shouldn’t be held against the FBI. Yeah, that’s not how any of this works.

Trump: “They stole my passport.”

Liberals: “Trump is lying.”

FBI: “We took his passports and are returning them.”

Liberals: “See? Trump always lies.”

WHAT?

— Bob Weave (@lowkeyrbe) August 16, 2022

The press and the DOJ working together to push a false narrative isn’t surprising, but that doesn’t make it any less improper and corrupt. There need to be answers provided for how the FBI ended up with Trump’s passports when they obviously weren’t part of what was sought and allowed to be taken in the warrant. O’Donnell and the rest of the press who ran with that lie that the FBI didn’t have the passports also need to answer for why they swallowed a statement from the DOJ without even bothering to get any corroborating details.

With every passing day, the FBI’s raid of Mar-a-Lago looks worse and worse. We are living under a regime that prides itself in operating like a banana republic. The dishonesty of those always out to get the orange man knows no bounds.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on August 16, 2022, 06:35:31 AM
They've already stated what was taken.  Duh!!!    ::)

Humiliated yet again pedocuck  ::) the only sexual gratification you get   :-X
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on August 16, 2022, 06:39:54 AM
I am a lawyer presently.   This is not normal.


Specifically in relation to Mr Trump it is not normal
but is it legal?

so you are not a lawyer at present but you will be presently ?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 16, 2022, 07:08:39 AM

Specifically in relation to Mr Trump it is not normal
but is it legal?

so you are not a lawyer at present but you will be presently ?

He's a lawyer and has been for years.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:12:08 AM

Specifically in relation to Mr Trump it is not normal
but is it legal?

so you are not a lawyer at present but you will be presently ?

It is not normal to not allow counsel present and to tell the person to shut off all video cameras during a search. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:32:26 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:36:28 AM
Eric Trump Says He Will Reveal FBI Raid Surveillance Tape
Newsweak ^ | ON 8/16/22 AT 7:32 AM EDT | GIULIA CARBONARO
Posted on 8/16/2022, 10:28:36 AM by


Eric Trump, the second son of the former president, said his family is in possession of surveillance tapes of the FBI raid at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, and this footage will "absolutely" be released "at the right time."

"Will you—you still have the surveillance tape, is that correct? Will you—are you allowed to share that with the country?" Fox News host Sean Hannity asked Eric Trump on Monday.

"Absolutely, Sean. At the right time," Eric Trump replied, adding that all law enforcement officers, including FBI agents, should wear body cameras for transparency reasons.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:39:49 AM
hmmm FBI returns returns passports that never appeared on search inventory
Hotair.com ^ | Ed Morrissey
Posted on 8/16/2022, 9:53:18 AM


That brings us to the second question: Why weren’t the passports listed on the inventory? FBI agents certainly know what passports look like. The inventory is a legal record of everything the FBI took out of Trump’s home in executing the search. There may be some understandable fuzziness on the identity of each and every single sheet of paper in those boxes, but passports are unique and instantly recognizable — and look nothing like the documents in question.

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:48:29 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/trump-haters-duped-false-doj-media-spin-seized-passports


Liberals suckered yet again by their hoaxes. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 07:51:20 AM
Boomerang? DOJ admission it over-collected evidence in Trump raid creates new legal drama
Just The News ^ | Updated: August 16, 2022 - 12:41am | By John Solomon
Posted on 8/16/2022, 8:23:06 AM


Former top FBI official says search appears to have been overly broad and gives Trump lawyers an avenue for appeal.

Three passports, Privileged documents. A file on a presidential pardon. As evidence surfaces about what FBI agents seized during the raid of former President Donald Trump's estate in Mar-O-Lago, new questions about the real focus of the investigation and new avenues for legal challenges are bubbling to the surface.

The Justice Department informed Trump's team Monday that agents gathered the former president's passports and are obligated to return them, and that officials are also reviewing seized materials that may be covered by various privileges, multiple sources told Just the News.

DOJ has designated a process for separating materials that could be covered by executive privilege or attorney client privilege and hopes to return such memos to Trump within a couple of weeks, the sources said.

"Occasionally a warrant collection can grab things outside the scope authorized by the court and the department is now following a procedure we would for any person affected this way," one official said Monday night.

Kevin Brock, who served as FBI assistant director for intelligence under former Director Robert Mueller, said the new revelations raise legitimate questions about over-collection of evidence that could lead to significant legal challenges. Trump lawyers are weighing whether to ask a federal court to name a special master to review sensitive documents and protect the president's 4th amendment, executive and attorney-client privileges.

"Trump's attorneys could have a runway to argue the scope of the search is overly broad," Brock told Just the News. "Search warrants normally require a level of specificity that seems to be missing in this warrant. Specificity is important in order to protect 4th Amendment rights from exuberant government overreach designed to find whatever they can."

Brock said he was particularly troubled FBI agents felt comfortable seizing a record of Trump's pardon of longtime friend Roger Stone, which the bureau disclosed in court documents. He said it suggested the raid may have something more to do with the Jan. 6 Capitol riot probe, where Stone has been a figure of interest, than an investigation into classified records.

"The president’s authority to grant pardon and clemency is clear but what isn’t clear is why the retention of a clemency order would be considered illegal," Brock said "The fact that it is highlighted on the receipt list, and that it has to do with Stone, will likely provide ammunition to Republicans who are asserting that the search was less about a document dispute and more about a hunt for derogatory Jan. 6 information."

The revelations came on a day when DOJ also opposed requests to unseal the FBI affidavit explaining the motive for the search, arguing such a move could imperil this and other investigations.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, whose conservative watchdog regularly sues the government to release documents and is seeking to compel release of documents in the Trump search, said the government's first court filings appear to describe an overly broad search that went far beyond classified records.

"They were engaged in a fishing expedition, and the warrant itself wasn’t about classified information, though it mentioned it," Fitton told Just the News. "It talked about all sort of other documents. It basically gave the FBI carte blanche to anything they wanted from the Trump home.

"And the fact that a judge signed off on it is very troubling," he added.

Brock agreed that the search warrant included a "stunningly broad scope" of targeted evidence and warned it could have a chilling effect on past and future presidents.

"This apparently makes a novel legal assertion that any presidential record kept by a former president is against the law," he explained. "You have to wonder what the other living former presidents think about that. They have the right and, apparently, clear desire to remain silent.”
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Dipshit, you’ll believe anything as long as it’s against Trump which why you and Prime ALWAYS lose arguments. Mmmmm, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of pages of legit classified documents your boys Obama, Biden and Clinton have in their own possessions?

Since they have not been raided, I am going to say NONE.  Which is the exact same number of arguments ANYONE has ever lost to you.

Saying otherwise only highlights your retardation.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 09:34:16 AM
You mean stolen? Like his passports? If they would steal his passports what makes you think they didn’t steal other private documents? That said…

Stolen?  hahahahahaha.  You mean like the election?  hahahahaha

You are the perfect example of what happens when mental illness leads mental illness. 

Spin spin spin.....   that's all you can do besides lie, lie, lie.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 09:37:59 AM
It is not normal to not allow counsel present and to tell the person to shut off all video cameras during a search.

Not so.  It is at their discretion.  They have full authority to allow or not.

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Donald Trump's attorney, Christina Bobb, said she was "not allowed" to observe FBI agents as they searched the former president's Palm Beach estate, Mar-A-Lago. She made the comments to Real America's Voice, a conservative news network, Tuesday. The FBI, however, is not under any obligation to allow attorneys to oversee a search, a retired FBI agent told Insider.

FBI protocol requires agents to show a copy of the search warrant — as well as provide an itemized list of what was taken after it is finished — but it has discretion on whether to allow the attorney to be present while the search is conducted.

Bobby Chacon, another retired FBI agent and former attorney, told Insider that the agency can "keep them out."

"In a nutshell, no, they don't have a right to be there," Chacon said. "If we want to keep them out, we can keep what we want out while we conduct the search."
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2022, 10:10:20 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Stolen?  hahahahahaha.  You mean like the election?  hahahahaha

You are the perfect example of what happens when mental illness leads mental illness. 

Spin spin spin.....   that's all you can do besides lie, lie, lie.

Yes, I mean exactly like that. You’re horrible at facts and debating. Do you think just because they returned it under public pressure that they didn’t steal them?

“The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law.”
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2022, 12:47:20 PM
Outrageous and unconstitutional’ is how lawyer Alan Dershowitz describes the FBI’s recent raid of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home to Glenn. A legal expert and host of ‘The Dershow,’ Dershowitz says he may have more experience with the Fourth Amendment — which protects Americans from unreasonable searches and seizures — than any other academic in America. He discusses the questions the government MUST answer about the raid, why Trump should’ve been served a subpoena instead, and why even Democrats should ‘object’ to this action from the FBI...

Transcript


GLENN: Professor Alan Dershowitz. Back on the program. Alan, you were one of the first people I thought of, when I heard what was going on. Because I knew you would have an opinion, and it would me to either rethink mine. Or to shore my opinion up.

ALAN: Yeah.

GLENN: Tell me about the raid with Donald Trump.

ALAN: Well, first of all, I have more experience on the Fourth Amendment than any academic in America. I understand the Fourth Amendment. I've written books about it.

I've litigated dozens of cases on the Fourth Amendment. And I'm a liberal Democrat, who voted for Biden and against Trump. But this raid is absolutely outrageous and unconstitutional.

You don't engage in a raid on a house, unless you have exhausted all other possibilities, and the most obvious recourse here, was a subpoena. A subpoena to the president. Saying, there are 25 boxes in your house. There's a safe. We would like you to bring them all to the court, tomorrow morning. Before you have a chance to leave where you are in the northeast. And come there. And destroy anything. And we will then submit it to a judge. And lawyers can argue, something that was classified. Some of it was unclassified by the president. Some was never classified. Some may be so classified, that even the FBI shouldn't have accessed it. To it, some may be privileged -- this is exactly the kind of thing that needs a document by document analysis. By a judge. Not the FBI coming in, and sweeping everything together. Breaking into a safe. Reminds me of the Geraldo Rivera fiasco, when he jumped into the safe, one of the big gangsters, Capone or somebody. Nothing was in there. Nothing was in there.

You know, you must have a single standard of justice. I'm a friend of both Sandy Berger, who was the former national security adviser. The late Sandy Berger. And a friend of Hillary Clinton. What they were accused of, was exactly comparable. And there were no searches of their houses. People who have been found guilty of taking classified material improperly, have been given fines. I don't think there's ever been a search like this, based on the allegations made in this case. Now, don't rush their judgment. Maybe there is something there. Right now, the burden of proof, is heavily on the Justice Department. And the FBI. Who justified what they have done. Absent a justification. Most Americans will not believe this was necessary. And they're going to come back and say, oh, we can't discuss it. Ongoing investigation. Classified material. Nonsense!

Appoint a special master, who has security clearance, who can objectively look through this thing, or else appoint the congressional committee. A real committee. Not like January 6th, which includes 40 percent Republicans, 60 percent Democrats. Have them look at this, in a classified manner. But we cannot except either silence or a claim that privilege somehow or confidentiality requires silence.

GLENN: But do we even know the chain of command now? I mean, how safe is it? First of all, Alan, we had Hillary Clinton, having some of her staff cut top secret off the top of documents, in a skiff. Send them to her server, at her house. And we didn't go through this. What could possibly be in these documents, that are so vital, that it -- that it warrants this, compared to what Hillary Clinton did?

ALAN: We're compared to what a subpoena would have produced. We don't know what's in there. Maybe there was a smoking gun. Again, he wasn't even on the premises. He couldn't have destroyed the information. All they had to do was issue a subpoena, or turn a vote this morning at 9 o'clock. There would have been no possibility of destroying evidence. And if anyone, Donald Trump or anyone else ordered the destruction of evidence, that's Nixon time. That's impeachment. That's criminal prosecution. That's a serious crime. Destroying subpoenaed material. It's -- you know, that's what the law is there for. To prevent that. And does anybody believe that Donald Trump would have taken a chance to destroy material? He didn't know whether there were copies of the material or other evidence that might be destroyed. This is a pretext. There's no way that the Justice Department actually believed that President Trump would destroy documents. Now, people say, oh, but a judge approved the search warrant. Let me tell you, with almost 60 years of experience. I've never heard of a judge turning down a search warrant. Ever. They give out search warrants more easily than Halloween candy. And so that's not a safeguard at all.

GLENN: Who was the judge? Do we know? Who did this? Do we know anything about it?

ALAN: No, we don't know anything. We haven't seen the document. Look, there's a search warrant in existence. We should see it. There's an affidavit, in support of the search warrant. We know what happened, when there was the search warrant for the FISA court. It turns out -- it turned out that it was filled with lies.

GLENN: By the FBI.

ALAN: Yeah. Well, I love the FBI. I've worked with the FBI. And I have worked with former directors of the FBI. It's a great organization. I don't know what the chain of command is. The White House has denied knowing about the raid. Which is quite surprising. Obviously, the attorney general who I also know. A former student of Harvard law school. I think very highly of him. I supported him for the Supreme Court. He obviously had to approve this raid. What was he thinking? Let him tell us. Maybe he's right. Maybe he did the right thing. I want to know that, Americans have a right to know that. Because we all now know, if you can do this to a former president, you can do it to Glenn Beck. You can do it to Alan Dershowitz. You can do it to all of your listeners. And this has to be justified. Or else, it has to be undone.

GLENN: Can you -- could you speak directly, as if I were a person that voted for Biden, and I despised Donald Trump. And I think he's guilty of everything that -- and he just can't be president anymore. Why is this so important, that we correct?

ALAN: Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm talking to you from Martha's Vineyard, where no one speaks to me anymore. Recently, I was invited to a big event. Celebration of somebody. This engagement. I got a letter this morning saying, we have been told, not to invite you, because if we invite you, nobody else will come.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

ALAN: And our social reputations will be destroyed. At another event, a concert, where a good friend said, if I invited you, I would be committing social suicide. I tell all these stories, naming names in my book The Price of Principle. Because the price of principle is all about what happens to Americans today when they try to be neutral, try to be principled, try to be objective, and don't pick sides. And so I would hope that people who hate Trump. Who voted for Biden. I voted for Biden are just as upset at what happened here, as people who are Trump supporters. Now, look, there are three groups of people. There are the large tribes, for whom, about it you're after Trump, everything is okay. Constitution be damned. Constitution was written for the Democratic Party. There's no objective status. Okay. That's one group of people. The other group of people are so supportive of Trump, that nothing done against him, could ever be justified. The vast majority of Americans want to see justice, whether they voted for or against the candidate. And that's what we're not seeing here today. And so I encourage all of my fellow Democrats, to object to this. We're the ones who can really have an influence on this administration, because we're not Trump supporters. We're justice supporters. We believe in the Constitution. And that's where the pressure has to come.

GLENN: Would you agree that the FBI has been weaponized?

ALAN: I just there are elements within the FBI, that have been weaponized. I do think that. Look, it happens during the McCarthy period as well. It was wrong then. And it was wrong now. The FBI should be -- look, the head of the FBI, is not a liberal Democrat. He's, you know, nonpartisan. And I don't know whether he has deliberately done things. But remember, the FBI works for the Justice Department. They are part of the Justice Department. And so, you know, there's an old story, where the attorney general of the United States, during the Second World War, tried to get into the building late. And the building was restricted. And he said to the guard, I am the attorney general of the United States. And the guard said, I don't care if you're Jay Edgar Hoover himself, you can't get into it. But that was wrong. He worked for the attorney general of the United States. And so -- so does the director of the FBI, who worked for the Justice Department.

GLENN: Is your book out yet. I haven't read it yet.

ALAN: It is. It is. And it's doing very well on Amazon.

GLENN: Good.

ALAN: And please, buy it and review it. Because it's all about what's going on now. It's all about -- starts out with the phrase, that partisanship has trumped principle, and that we no longer live in a nation governed by principles. We live in a nation governed bipartisanship divisions. And as Abraham Lincoln said, a nation divided against itself cannot stand. That's the nation we're living in today.

GLENN: I will read it. The price of principle. You are paying a very high price for that. As are others. But thank you for having them. And sticking to them.

ALAN: I have a thick skin. I have a thick skin. I can do bear the cost. But when the people on my island, Martha's Vineyard, are not allowed to hear me speak at the Chilmark Library. When I've been banned by a public library, because I defended President Trump, then it goes beyond any parties or social communities, or social inconvenience. People have the right to disinvite me, if they don't like my politics. But they have the right to -- they have no right to prevent a library from allowing me to speak. Which is what happened.

GLENN: I hate to say this, but welcome to the club. Thanks so much. Alan Dershowitz. You bet.

The other of The Price of Principle.

STU: He didn't get one invite to one event. But he got invited to a new club. So there's an upside.

GLENN: He did. No. I don't think it really is.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on August 16, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
He's a lawyer and has been for years.

given the importance of language and rhetoric to the legal profession his answer is ambiguous
 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 16, 2022, 04:14:45 PM
They've already stated what was taken.  Duh!!!    ::)

What are your thoughts on the passports and other items taken that didn’t have anything to do with the documents they were supposedly looking for in the raid? Do you think it’s a bit of a fishing expedition? Why take the passports and lie about it initially? Just looking for a liberals point of view. Thanks hoss.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Outrageous and unconstitutional’ is how lawyer Alan Dershowitz describes the FBI’s recent raid of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home to Glenn. A legal expert and host of ‘The Dershow,’ Dershowitz says he may have more experience with the Fourth Amendment — which protects Americans from unreasonable searches and seizures — than any other academic in America. He discusses the questions the government MUST answer about the raid, why Trump should’ve been served a subpoena instead, and why even Democrats should ‘object’ to this action from the FBI...

Transcript


GLENN: Professor Alan Dershowitz. Back on the program. Alan, you were one of the first people I thought of, when I heard what was going on. Because I knew you would have an opinion, and it would me to either rethink mine. Or to shore my opinion up.

ALAN: Yeah.

GLENN: Tell me about the raid with Donald Trump.

ALAN: Well, first of all, I have more experience on the Fourth Amendment than any academic in America. I understand the Fourth Amendment. I've written books about it.

I've litigated dozens of cases on the Fourth Amendment. And I'm a liberal Democrat, who voted for Biden and against Trump. But this raid is absolutely outrageous and unconstitutional.

You don't engage in a raid on a house, unless you have exhausted all other possibilities, and the most obvious recourse here, was a subpoena. A subpoena to the president. Saying, there are 25 boxes in your house. There's a safe. We would like you to bring them all to the court, tomorrow morning. Before you have a chance to leave where you are in the northeast. And come there. And destroy anything. And we will then submit it to a judge. And lawyers can argue, something that was classified. Some of it was unclassified by the president. Some was never classified. Some may be so classified, that even the FBI shouldn't have accessed it. To it, some may be privileged -- this is exactly the kind of thing that needs a document by document analysis. By a judge. Not the FBI coming in, and sweeping everything together. Breaking into a safe. Reminds me of the Geraldo Rivera fiasco, when he jumped into the safe, one of the big gangsters, Capone or somebody. Nothing was in there. Nothing was in there.

You know, you must have a single standard of justice. I'm a friend of both Sandy Berger, who was the former national security adviser. The late Sandy Berger. And a friend of Hillary Clinton. What they were accused of, was exactly comparable. And there were no searches of their houses. People who have been found guilty of taking classified material improperly, have been given fines. I don't think there's ever been a search like this, based on the allegations made in this case. Now, don't rush their judgment. Maybe there is something there. Right now, the burden of proof, is heavily on the Justice Department. And the FBI. Who justified what they have done. Absent a justification. Most Americans will not believe this was necessary. And they're going to come back and say, oh, we can't discuss it. Ongoing investigation. Classified material. Nonsense!

Appoint a special master, who has security clearance, who can objectively look through this thing, or else appoint the congressional committee. A real committee. Not like January 6th, which includes 40 percent Republicans, 60 percent Democrats. Have them look at this, in a classified manner. But we cannot except either silence or a claim that privilege somehow or confidentiality requires silence.

GLENN: But do we even know the chain of command now? I mean, how safe is it? First of all, Alan, we had Hillary Clinton, having some of her staff cut top secret off the top of documents, in a skiff. Send them to her server, at her house. And we didn't go through this. What could possibly be in these documents, that are so vital, that it -- that it warrants this, compared to what Hillary Clinton did?

ALAN: We're compared to what a subpoena would have produced. We don't know what's in there. Maybe there was a smoking gun. Again, he wasn't even on the premises. He couldn't have destroyed the information. All they had to do was issue a subpoena, or turn a vote this morning at 9 o'clock. There would have been no possibility of destroying evidence. And if anyone, Donald Trump or anyone else ordered the destruction of evidence, that's Nixon time. That's impeachment. That's criminal prosecution. That's a serious crime. Destroying subpoenaed material. It's -- you know, that's what the law is there for. To prevent that. And does anybody believe that Donald Trump would have taken a chance to destroy material? He didn't know whether there were copies of the material or other evidence that might be destroyed. This is a pretext. There's no way that the Justice Department actually believed that President Trump would destroy documents. Now, people say, oh, but a judge approved the search warrant. Let me tell you, with almost 60 years of experience. I've never heard of a judge turning down a search warrant. Ever. They give out search warrants more easily than Halloween candy. And so that's not a safeguard at all.

GLENN: Who was the judge? Do we know? Who did this? Do we know anything about it?

ALAN: No, we don't know anything. We haven't seen the document. Look, there's a search warrant in existence. We should see it. There's an affidavit, in support of the search warrant. We know what happened, when there was the search warrant for the FISA court. It turns out -- it turned out that it was filled with lies.

GLENN: By the FBI.

ALAN: Yeah. Well, I love the FBI. I've worked with the FBI. And I have worked with former directors of the FBI. It's a great organization. I don't know what the chain of command is. The White House has denied knowing about the raid. Which is quite surprising. Obviously, the attorney general who I also know. A former student of Harvard law school. I think very highly of him. I supported him for the Supreme Court. He obviously had to approve this raid. What was he thinking? Let him tell us. Maybe he's right. Maybe he did the right thing. I want to know that, Americans have a right to know that. Because we all now know, if you can do this to a former president, you can do it to Glenn Beck. You can do it to Alan Dershowitz. You can do it to all of your listeners. And this has to be justified. Or else, it has to be undone.

GLENN: Can you -- could you speak directly, as if I were a person that voted for Biden, and I despised Donald Trump. And I think he's guilty of everything that -- and he just can't be president anymore. Why is this so important, that we correct?

ALAN: Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm talking to you from Martha's Vineyard, where no one speaks to me anymore. Recently, I was invited to a big event. Celebration of somebody. This engagement. I got a letter this morning saying, we have been told, not to invite you, because if we invite you, nobody else will come.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

ALAN: And our social reputations will be destroyed. At another event, a concert, where a good friend said, if I invited you, I would be committing social suicide. I tell all these stories, naming names in my book The Price of Principle. Because the price of principle is all about what happens to Americans today when they try to be neutral, try to be principled, try to be objective, and don't pick sides. And so I would hope that people who hate Trump. Who voted for Biden. I voted for Biden are just as upset at what happened here, as people who are Trump supporters. Now, look, there are three groups of people. There are the large tribes, for whom, about it you're after Trump, everything is okay. Constitution be damned. Constitution was written for the Democratic Party. There's no objective status. Okay. That's one group of people. The other group of people are so supportive of Trump, that nothing done against him, could ever be justified. The vast majority of Americans want to see justice, whether they voted for or against the candidate. And that's what we're not seeing here today. And so I encourage all of my fellow Democrats, to object to this. We're the ones who can really have an influence on this administration, because we're not Trump supporters. We're justice supporters. We believe in the Constitution. And that's where the pressure has to come.

GLENN: Would you agree that the FBI has been weaponized?

ALAN: I just there are elements within the FBI, that have been weaponized. I do think that. Look, it happens during the McCarthy period as well. It was wrong then. And it was wrong now. The FBI should be -- look, the head of the FBI, is not a liberal Democrat. He's, you know, nonpartisan. And I don't know whether he has deliberately done things. But remember, the FBI works for the Justice Department. They are part of the Justice Department. And so, you know, there's an old story, where the attorney general of the United States, during the Second World War, tried to get into the building late. And the building was restricted. And he said to the guard, I am the attorney general of the United States. And the guard said, I don't care if you're Jay Edgar Hoover himself, you can't get into it. But that was wrong. He worked for the attorney general of the United States. And so -- so does the director of the FBI, who worked for the Justice Department.

GLENN: Is your book out yet. I haven't read it yet.

ALAN: It is. It is. And it's doing very well on Amazon.

GLENN: Good.

ALAN: And please, buy it and review it. Because it's all about what's going on now. It's all about -- starts out with the phrase, that partisanship has trumped principle, and that we no longer live in a nation governed by principles. We live in a nation governed bipartisanship divisions. And as Abraham Lincoln said, a nation divided against itself cannot stand. That's the nation we're living in today.

GLENN: I will read it. The price of principle. You are paying a very high price for that. As are others. But thank you for having them. And sticking to them.

ALAN: I have a thick skin. I have a thick skin. I can do bear the cost. But when the people on my island, Martha's Vineyard, are not allowed to hear me speak at the Chilmark Library. When I've been banned by a public library, because I defended President Trump, then it goes beyond any parties or social communities, or social inconvenience. People have the right to disinvite me, if they don't like my politics. But they have the right to -- they have no right to prevent a library from allowing me to speak. Which is what happened.

GLENN: I hate to say this, but welcome to the club. Thanks so much. Alan Dershowitz. You bet.

The other of The Price of Principle.

STU: He didn't get one invite to one event. But he got invited to a new club. So there's an upside.

GLENN: He did. No. I don't think it really is.

Good info.  Dershowitz is the last outspoken liberal civil libertarian in America. 
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Post by: chaos on August 16, 2022, 05:31:05 PM
They've already stated what was taken.  Duh!!!    ::)
Did they release an itemized list we can check on?
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2022, 05:51:44 PM
Did they release an itemized list we can check on?

They did, but the list did not include Trump's passports. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 16, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/trump-team-drops-email-proving-fbi-wrongly-seized-passports-media-doj-attempted-mislead-public/

I read two of the three were expired. Either way, I also read they've returned them. It is pretty easy to imagine a passport getting lost in a file folder considering their size.
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2022, 07:07:48 PM
I read two of the three were expired. Either way, I also read they've returned them. It is pretty easy to imagine a passport getting lost in a file folder considering their size.

BS.  It's incredibly easy to know exactly what a passport looks like.

And yes they returned them, only after Trump put them on blast and after all of the media/talking head lackeys claimed Trump was lying. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 16, 2022, 07:09:07 PM
What are your thoughts on the passports and other items taken that didn’t have anything to do with the documents they were supposedly looking for in the raid? Do you think it’s a bit of a fishing expedition? Why take the passports and lie about it initially? Just looking for a liberals point of view. Thanks hoss.

Two thoughts came to mind. Firstly, they took them to piss him off. Second, they didn't realize they'd taken them because passports aren't very large and they were at the bottom of a file folder. 
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2022, 07:13:07 PM
Good info.  Dershowitz is the last outspoken liberal civil libertarian in America.

Yes, he and Jonathan Turley
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
Yes, I mean exactly like that. You’re horrible at facts and debating. Do you think just because they returned it under public pressure that they didn’t steal them?

“The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law.”

When you have a search warrant signed by a judge, it isn't "unreasonable".    ::)

I bet you even graduated at the bottom of the class at Trumpy University, you are that stupid.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 07:50:32 PM
What are your thoughts on the passports and other items taken that didn’t have anything to do with the documents they were supposedly looking for in the raid? Do you think it’s a bit of a fishing expedition? Why take the passports and lie about it initially? Just looking for a liberals point of view. Thanks hoss.

Let's see... you have an infantile old fart, prone to habitual lying and temper tantrums, suspected of having classified nuclear documents in his possession for unknown reasons, with wealth and his own private planes, multiple ongoing current investigations into him because of his finances, potential tax evasion, meddling with the peaceful change of power and election fraud, (along with allies) on a national and state level, etc.. etc...

Naw, that doesn't sound like a flight risk at all.   You are welcome "hoss".

See?  It's easy to make up bullshit.  Just like Trumpy and his supporters do. 

Or maybe they were "packing in a hurry and didn't notice it."  hahahaha

Then again, if his stupid ass didn't want to be raided, he shouldn't have taken them.   ::)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2022, 07:58:41 PM
When you have a search warrant signed by a judge, it isn't "unreasonable".    ::)

I bet you even graduated at the bottom of the class at Trumpy University, you are that stupid.

I already proved my point and backed it by a liberal/Democrat that voted for both Clinton and Biden.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 16, 2022, 08:04:57 PM
I already proved my point and backed it by a liberal/Democrat that voted for both Clinton and Biden.

If it was unreasonable, then it would not have been approved and signed.   ::)

The only point you have proven is that you are just a whiner looking for any excuse to cry about.   :'(

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Post by: Grape Ape on August 16, 2022, 08:48:35 PM
Whether the passports were legally taken or not, the damage is done, as it rallies Trump's base more, and puts more distrust in the media after O'Donnell's tweets at ABC.

Getting worse.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2022, 09:01:49 PM
If it was unreasonable, then it would not have been approved and signed.   ::)

The only point you have proven is that you are just a whiner looking for any excuse to cry about.   :'(

The fact you actually believe this makes you an even bigger idiot
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2022, 09:53:40 PM
Whether the passports were legally taken or not, the damage is done, as it rallies Trump's base more, and puts more distrust in the media after O'Donnell's tweets at ABC.

Getting worse.

They are turning him into a martyr.  This is what happens when they repeatedly violate the law, trample on civil liberties, lie, etc. without any repercussions, for years.  They have been emboldened to do whatever they want to try and take the man down.  Ends justifies the means for them.   

What they should be doing is just running a candidate who can win instead of trying to disqualify him from running.  But they are too afraid to simply face him in 2024, especially given the fantastically weak liberal bench when Biden steps aside in 2024. 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 17, 2022, 05:53:21 AM
The fact you actually believe this makes you an even bigger idiot

The fact that it is true makes you an even bigger retard.
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Post by: illuminati on August 17, 2022, 07:19:33 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChVbkuGhYUZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

She's spot on.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 17, 2022, 12:59:33 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/17/80-percent-pro-impeachment-house-republicans-exit-congress/
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2022, 01:26:54 PM
I already proved my point and backed it by a liberal/Democrat that voted for both Clinton and Biden.

As I have already shown in great detail. You have yet to prove anything. Saying something over and over does not make it so.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
Mr Trumps passport collection would probably be more commented upon if held by some significant swamp dweller
Does any body know the situation on having two concurrent US passports
Would Mr trumps possible claim to a UK passport contradict US law and what sort of scenario would arise if it transpired he held a UK passport while in office?

I checked and it is possible to have two active passports in the U.S. As for his having a U.K. passport, people with dual citizenships can hold passports for each county. Although Trump's mother was a U.K. citizen she gave up that citizenship prior to giving birth to Trump who was born in the U.S. and is a solely US citizen not entitled to dual citizenship with the U.K. or a U.K. passport.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 17, 2022, 03:17:44 PM
Mr Trumps passport collection would probably be more commented upon if held by some significant swamp dweller
Does any body know the situation on having two concurrent US passports
Would Mr trumps possible claim to a UK passport contradict US law and what sort of scenario would arise if it transpired he held a UK passport while in office?

Upon further review I thought it said that it was two expired passports, not one.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 17, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
As I have already shown in great detail. You have yet to prove anything. Saying something over and over does not make it so.



Hahahha you just cut him off at the knees by explaining his own tactics to him but yet he will keep going and going with same lame ass shit.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 17, 2022, 05:57:13 PM
Mr Trumps passport collection would probably be more commented upon if held by some significant swamp dweller
Does any body know the situation on having two concurrent US passports
Would Mr trumps possible claim to a UK passport contradict US law and what sort of scenario would arise if it transpired he held a UK passport while in office?

It may just be the case of running out of pages for the Customs stamps or country VISAs.  They can add pages to a passport if you need it but eventually will opt to give you a new clean one all together.  So technically you can have two concurrently.  This has happened to me.  Some countries just stamp it anywhere.  Some countries require a completely blank page to stamp.  I ran out due to my travel gigs and they sent me a new one. But I still needed to carry the old one because I had VISAs for some countries that had not expired yet.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 17, 2022, 06:14:30 PM
As I have already shown in great detail. You have yet to prove anything. Saying something over and over does not make it so.

You haven’t shown shit. Neither has lurker.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 17, 2022, 07:01:55 PM
We’ve shown that you are just a moronic retard that believes every shitty excuse that comes down the pipe so you can sleep at night.

You are a whiner and crier who can’t cope with reality and understand simple facts so instead feed your bullshit to maintain your delusions.  It’s not your fault actually.  You simply lack critical thinking skills. 

As I have said, the only thing dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.
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Post by: Agnostic007 on August 17, 2022, 10:14:58 PM
Am I the only one who seems to think the Republicans are pro police, pro law and order... until it negatively impacts Trump?
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Post by: The Gov on August 18, 2022, 12:17:21 PM
Am I the only one who seems to think the Republicans are pro police, pro law and order... until it negatively impacts Trump?

only when its equal justice, which it is not.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 18, 2022, 12:25:55 PM
It may just be the case of running out of pages for the Customs stamps or country VISAs.  They can add pages to a passport if you need it but eventually will opt to give you a new clean one all together.  So technically you can have two concurrently.  This has happened to me.  Some countries just stamp it anywhere.  Some countries require a completely blank page to stamp.  I ran out due to my travel gigs and they sent me a new one. But I still needed to carry the old one because I had VISAs for some countries that had not expired yet.

This may well be the case with Trump's second active passport. What I read is that it was issued to him while he held office. Since Presidents travel a great deal, it is not surprising they would need a second passport for the purpose you mention.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 05:20:23 PM
Am I the only one who seems to think the Republicans are pro police, pro law and order... until it negatively impacts Trump?

They believe in law and order until it applies to them. 
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Post by: The Scott on August 18, 2022, 05:39:55 PM
They believe in law and order until it applies to them.

We just don't worship law enfarcement like you do.  Yeah, yeah...FOADYWPOS
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 05:48:56 PM
We just don't worship law enfarcement like you do.  Yeah, yeah...FOADYWPOS

That's it?  No "feeeeellllingggs" or "real world" shit?  No three paragraphs regurgitated nonsense that has posted ad nauseam because you can't think of anything else?  Well I think we now know that dying certainly didn't improve your IQ.
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Post by: The Scott on August 18, 2022, 06:10:43 PM
That's it?  No "feeeeellllingggs" or "real world" shit?  No three paragraphs regurgitated nonsense that has posted ad nauseam because you can't think of anything else?  Well I think we now know that dying certainly didn't improve your IQ.

You are such a C U N T.  When you die, even the flies will remain silent for 39 seconds.
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Post by: chaos on August 18, 2022, 06:27:45 PM
Am I the only one who seems to think the Republicans are pro police, pro law and order... until it negatively impacts Trump?
Yet they aren't the ones screaming to defund the police.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 06:58:20 PM
We’ve shown that you are just a moronic retard that believes every shitty excuse that comes down the pipe so you can sleep at night.

You are a whiner and crier who can’t cope with reality and understand simple facts so instead feed your bullshit to maintain your delusions.  It’s not your fault actually.  You simply lack critical thinking skills. 

As I have said, the only thing dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.

You haven’t shown shit with the exception of how fucking stupid you are. There’s a fact for you. And yes, you are a communist as well as anyone that supports Biden. You’re just too stupid to realize it and I can prove it
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 07:03:56 PM
As I have already shown in great detail. You have yet to prove anything. Saying something over and over does not make it so.

You haven’t shown shit except leftist talking points. Both you and Lurker have ALWAYS been proven wrong. Lurker that dipshit, kept bringing up Roy Moore when I knew it was bullshit back in 2017 and sure as shit he last week he won his defamation suit. Leftist are some of dumbest species on the planet by far
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
You are such a C U N T.  When you die, even the flies will remain silent for 39 seconds.

Awww someone got triggered.   :'(

Do you need your bed pan changed?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 07:06:11 PM
You haven’t shown shit with the exception of how fucking stupid you are. There’s a fact for you. And yes, you are a communist as well as anyone that supports Biden. You’re just too stupid to realize it and I can prove it

If you say so it always means the opposite.  We’ve seen that fact proven by you over and over. 

 ::)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 07:09:56 PM
You haven’t shown shit except leftist talking points. Both you and Lurker have ALWAYS been proven wrong. Lurker that dipshit, kept bringing up Roy Moore when I knew it was bullshit back in 2017 and sure as shit he last week he won his defamation suit. Leftist are some of dumbest species on the planet by far

Prime tore your retarded geriatric ass to shreds when he picked apart that drivel you post over and over every day when you get a fistful of facts shoved up your ass.

I used to think retardation was a disadvantage.  But with you it’s a blessing because I don’t they have discovered any drugs yet that will overcome your complete detachment from reality.  Retardation is the only thing keeping you from realizing how stupid you truly are. 
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
Prime tore your retarded geriatric ass to shreds when he picked apart that drivel you post over and over every day when you get a fistful of facts shoved up your ass.

I used to think retardation was a disadvantage.  But with you it’s a blessing because I don’t they have discovered any drugs yet that will overcome your complete detachment from reality.  Retardation is the only thing keeping you from realizing how stupid you truly are.

He didn’t do anything but babble just like you.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 07:36:23 PM
He didn’t do anything but babble just like you.

If that is what you think, you are more retarded than ever.  Does retardation increase with your old age?

He used your ovaries as a speed bag. 
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Post by: The Scott on August 18, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Awww someone got triggered.   :'(

Do you need your bed pan changed?

LOL!  I've been where you're going but when your time is up, you aren't coming back.  You are socially screwed, triggerfish...  "Triggered"  What a homo term for the Mangina (de)Generation.

Nothing you can ever say will detract from your mortality and how all of us will celebrate your assuming temp.  FOADYWSOS.

You should be afraid of what comes for you at your end.  You will be. I do not give a fuque about you and yours.  You are a complete waste of bleached genes.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 18, 2022, 07:55:44 PM
We’ve shown that you are just a moronic retard that believes every shitty excuse that comes down the pipe so you can sleep at night.

You are a whiner and crier who can’t cope with reality and understand simple facts so instead feed your bullshit to maintain your delusions.  It’s not your fault actually.  You simply lack critical thinking skills. 

As I have said, the only thing dumber than Trumpy is his supporters.

He looks like Ma Fratelli there in that pic.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 08:02:29 PM
LOL!  I've been where you're going but when your time is up, you aren't coming back.  You are socially screwed, triggerfish...  "Triggered"  What a homo term for the Mangina (de)Generation.

Nothing you can ever say will detract from your mortality and how all of us will celebrate your assuming temp.  FOADYWSOS.

You should be afraid of what comes for you at your end.  You will be. I do not give a fuque about you and yours.  You are a complete waste of bleached genes.


Yep.  Triggered.  You won't be around when I die.  Hell you might not be around next week with your sorry ass health.  Kind of sad really.  For one brief minute your family was given hope that they were free of the burden your self loathing ass brings to their lives everyday. 
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Post by: The Scott on August 18, 2022, 08:20:20 PM

Yep.  Triggered.  You won't be around when I die.  Hell you might not be around next week with your sorry ass health.  Kind of sad really.  For one brief minute your family was given hope that they were free of the burden your self loathing ass brings to their lives everyday.

When you hufflepuff this mortal coil, you will shit yourself just like your faux president, Mr. Biden. You're not coming back.  Think of it as your personal cRapture.  FOADBB.  You will suffer eternity alone. 

Your wife will bring a date to your funeral.  What a sack of shit your kind is.  FOADYWDET
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 08:36:35 PM
When you hufflepuff this mortal coil, you will shit yourself just like your faux president, Mr. Biden. You're not coming back. Think of it as your personal cRaptureFOADBB.  You will suffer eternity alone. 

Your wife will bring a date to your funeral.  What a sack of shit your kind is.  FOADYWDET
 
Yep.  Right on cue.  Nothing original.  Nothing even witty at this point.  Just more tired ass drivel from the tired ass board cripple.   

Your wife won't need a date at your funeral to be happy.

That's it?  No "feeeeellllingggs" or "real world" shit?  No three paragraphs regurgitated nonsense that has posted ad nauseam because you can't think of anything else?  Well I think we now know that dying certainly didn't improve your IQ.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 08:46:31 PM
Interesting Move: Trump Posts Declassification Memorandum of “Materials Related to FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation”


It’s ALL about the Spygate documents.

It’s all about Crossfire Hurricane and the Deep State’s targeting of Trump

The multi-agency spy operation was spearheaded by Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe, Brennan, Clapper and others on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

President Trump on Thursday shared his “Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation” to his Truth Social page:

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SUBJECT:    Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:

Section 1.  Declassification and Release.    At my request, on December 30, 2020, the Department of Justice provided the White House with a binder of materials related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation.  Portions of the documents in the binder have remained classified and have not been released to the Congress or the public.  I requested the documents so that a declassification review could be performed and so I could determine to what extent materials in the binder should be released in unclassified form.

I determined that the materials in that binder should be declassified to the maximum extent possible.  In response, and as part of the iterative process of the declassification review, under a cover letter dated January 17, 2021, the Federal Bureau of Investigation noted its continuing objection to any further declassification of the materials in the binder and also, on the basis of a review that included Intelligence Community equities, identified the passages that it believed it was most crucial to keep from public disclosure.  I have determined to accept the redactions proposed for continued classification by the FBI in that January 17 submission.

I hereby declassify the remaining materials in the binder.  This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI’s January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy.

My decision to declassify materials within the binder is subject to the limits identified above and does not extend to materials that must be protected from disclosure pursuant to orders of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and does not require the disclosure of certain personally identifiable information or any other materials that must be protected from disclosure under applicable law.  Accordingly, at my direction, the Attorney General has conducted an appropriate review to ensure that materials provided in the binder may be disclosed by the White House in accordance with applicable law.

Sec. 2.  General Provisions.   (a)  Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

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c)  This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

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DONALD J. TRUMP
President Trump on Friday described the declassification process in a statement to John Solomon of Just The News.

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“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” Trump’s office said in a statement to Just The News. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”

It’s all about Spygate.

Recall, investigative reporter Paul Sperry was suspended from Twitter last week after he revealed the FBI may have had a personal stake and searched for classified documents related to Spygate.

“DEVELOPING: Investigators reportedly met back in June w Trump & his lawyers in Mar-a-Lago storage rm to survey docs & things seemed copasetic but then FBI raids weeks later. Speculation on Hill FBI had PERSONAL stake & searching for classified docs related to its #Spygate scandal.” – investigative journalist Paul Sperry said in a tweet Tuesday before getting suspended from Twitter.

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Sperry dropped another bomb on Saturday.

According to Paul Sperry, the federal agents involved in the Mar-a-Lago raid are under investigation by Special Counsel John Durham.

“Developing: Sources say the FBI agents and officials who were involved in the raid on former President Trump’s home work in the same Counterintelligence Division of the FBI that investigated Trump in the Russiagate hoax and are actively under criminal investigation by Special Counsel John Durham for potentially abusing their power investigating Trump in the Russian fraud and therefore have a potential conflict of interest and should have been RECUSED from participating in this supposed “espionage” investigation at Mar-a-Lago” Sperry said in a social media post on Saturday.

Steve Bannon on Thursday also spoke of the Crossfire Hurricane documents at Mar-a-Lago.

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Justice Department to unseal only a portion of the probable cause affidavit.

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The judge is allowing the Justice Department to make redactions in order to protect the Deep State!


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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2022, 08:54:21 PM
"Sources say"   ::)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 09:04:07 PM
"Sources say"   ::)

Idiot…the entire lefts narrative for 6 years of every “smoking gun”, fake “impeachments” and fake “insurrection” has been based on “sources say” and hearsay that was in the end…debunked
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2022, 09:34:52 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChZx9jHj29I/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 19, 2022, 06:52:21 AM
If FBI Omitted Documents or References to Previous Mar-a-Lago Visits from Affidavit — FBI Committed Fraud on the Court

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Justice Department to unseal only a portion of the probable cause affidavit to raid President Trump’s home.

The judge is allowing the Justice Department to decide what should be redacted!

A redacted version of the affidavit was ordered to be turned over by next Thursday — a week from today.

The DOJ now has a week to decide how much of this document to release. The judge who allowed the FBI to raid President Trump’s home donated thousands of dollars to Obama and Democrats.

The DOJ already harassed and subpoenaed for Mar-a-Lago records in June. The Trump team voluntarily handed over the documents.

The FBI also holds a June inventory receipt.

Investigative journalist Paul Sperry notes that if the FBI did not include these earlier documents or references from their August affidavit they committed fraud on the court.

How many want to bet this happened?

Via Paul Sperry:

1. Where is the May subpoena for Mar-a-Lago records, and where is the June inventory receipt the FBI would have given Trump lawyers Corcoran & Bobb, who VOLUNTARILY handed over docs from Trump’s storage to investigators?

Let’s see those docs, along with the affidavit

2. And where is the June subpoena and inventory receipt the FBI would have furnished Trump’s lawyers who VOLUNTARILY handed over surveillance footage to investigators?

Let’s see those docs too

If these documents or references to them are missing from the affidavit for the August search warrant, then the FBI omitted exculpatory evidence of prior Trump cooperation from the court, which would be a fraud on the court similar to the fraud on the FISA court the FBI committed in the Crossfire Hurricane case


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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 19, 2022, 07:54:48 AM
Hahahahaha the latest excuse is that Trumpy declassified the documents post presidency.   He didn’t have the power to.  Hahahhahaaaa.  That little excuse didn’t last long before it morphed into Trumpy gave “standing orders” for the documents to be declassified later.  Hahahaha.  Not working either.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 19, 2022, 08:42:04 AM
Hahahahaha the latest excuse is that Trumpy declassified the documents post presidency.   He didn’t have the power to.  Hahahhahaaaa.  That little excuse didn’t last long before it morphed into Trumpy gave “standing orders” for the documents to be declassified later.  Hahahaha.  Not working either.

Proving once again you’re not too bright. It’s like every post
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 19, 2022, 09:25:55 AM
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 19, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
Is this really going to come down to whether Trump "officially" declassified documents or not?  Is that the crux of this thing?

Not whether or not those docs represented any threats to national security or whatnot?
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 19, 2022, 10:23:42 AM
Is this really going to come down to whether Trump "officially" declassified documents or not?  Is that the crux of this thing?

Not whether or not those docs represented any threats to national security or whatnot?

READ

http://thefederalist.com/2022/08/19/think-the-fbi-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-this-laundry-list-of-corruption-should-make-you-think-again


And this does not include Randy Weaver, The Branch Davidians, The olympic gymnasts scandal, Whitey Bulger, 1996 framing of Richard Jewel, all the school shooters who they let happen, etc.   
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 19, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
Oh I don't doubt that.

I'm just trying to stay within the context of this example.

If it IS really just whether or not "correct" declassification procedure was followed, rather than the docs themselves, it's another complete partisan bust.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 19, 2022, 10:43:39 AM
Proving once again you’re not too bright. It’s like every post


Proving once again you are a retard who doesn’t understand simple facts or comments that comes out of the Orange buffoons mouth.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 19, 2022, 11:55:04 AM


Proving once again you are a retard who doesn’t understand simple facts or comments that comes out of the Orange buffoons mouth.
:D


Like "100 intelligence officials" who said hunter laptop was "russian disinfo."    ::) ::) ::) 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 19, 2022, 01:12:50 PM
:D


Like "100 intelligence officials" who said hunter laptop was "russian disinfo."    ::) ::) ::)

You can look the quotes up from the ones named…. If it isn’t true you can represent them in a libel/slander case.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 19, 2022, 01:45:39 PM
You haven’t shown shit with the exception of how fucking stupid you are. There’s a fact for you. And yes, you are a communist as well as anyone that supports Biden. You’re just too stupid to realize it and I can prove it

LOL! Here we go again.  ::)
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 19, 2022, 01:49:24 PM
You haven’t shown shit except leftist talking points. Both you and Lurker have ALWAYS been proven wrong. Lurker that dipshit, kept bringing up Roy Moore when I knew it was bullshit back in 2017 and sure as shit he last week he won his defamation suit. Leftist are some of dumbest species on the planet by far

How funny! Guess you didn't realize I was talking about what you posted in that thread not proving anything except that you like saying, "I can prove it."
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Post by: Gym-Rat on August 19, 2022, 02:22:56 PM
FBI.. Seem legit  ::) ::)
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 19, 2022, 05:20:25 PM
Oh I don't doubt that.

I'm just trying to stay within the context of this example.

If it IS really just whether or not "correct" declassification procedure was followed, rather than the docs themselves, it's another complete partisan bust.

Yes, this is all that it will turn out to be. If they had some bombshell, it would’ve been dropped by now. Your at least have heard leaks from sources on CNN.
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2022, 05:35:15 PM
Yes, this is all that it will turn out to be. If they had some bombshell, it would’ve been dropped by now. Your at least have heard leaks from sources on CNN.

I'm actually not surprised by this.  They spent years falsely accusing the man of being a Russian spy.  Nothing is off limits for these people, particularly when there are no consequences. 
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Post by: chaos on August 19, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Is this really going to come down to whether Trump "officially" declassified documents or not?  Is that the crux of this thing?

Not whether or not those docs represented any threats to national security or whatnot?
The alphabet organizations are government sponsored terrorists cells used against the American people by whichever political party is in house at the time.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 19, 2022, 07:17:11 PM


Proving once again you are a retard who doesn’t understand simple facts or comments that comes out of the Orange buffoons mouth.

CNN? lol
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 19, 2022, 07:47:25 PM
LOL! Here we go again.  ::)

It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT
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Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2022, 09:51:19 PM
It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT

Cold hard truth.
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Post by: illuminati on August 19, 2022, 11:23:12 PM
It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT

100% Spot on.
yet Those same folk will Ignore Every thing you stated
And There Only reply will Be Donald did this or That - Orange Man Bad  ::) 

FFS they don't have The Balls to address any of that let alone admit
a lot of it is really Bad News & America is Fast Descending into
Worse than a 3rd world Dictator Shit hole.

Do They Think America is a better cleaner / safer / fairer & decent
Country & heading in the Right Direction.......


It'll Be more Boo Hoo  :'( :'( :'( Orange man Blame Orange man ::)
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 20, 2022, 01:11:37 AM
CNN? lol
How can anyone use them as a source and expect to be taken seriously?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 21, 2022, 09:58:39 AM
CNN? lol

Or you can Google it and find more sources to your liking Retardo. 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 21, 2022, 10:01:15 AM
It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT



Hahahahahaha.    As opposed to voting for the Orange turd that is under multiple investigations, has a toddler mentality, can’t stop lying and only appeals to mouth breathers dumber than he is. 

Don’t worry, there’s more to come.  Hahahhaa
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 21, 2022, 10:02:54 AM
How can anyone use them as a source and expect to be taken seriously?

As compared to someone that relies on Infowars, Navarro, IG, and Tik Tok videos?   

I’m sure Qoach Todd and find other sources to his liking that posts the same info.
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Post by: illuminati on August 21, 2022, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: Coach is Back! on 20-08-2022, 03:47:25
It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT



Hahahahahaha.    As opposed to voting for the Orange turd that is under multiple investigations, has a toddler mentality, can’t stop lying and only appeals to mouth breathers dumber than he is. 

Don’t worry, there’s more to come.  Hahahhaa

Lurkio
Serious question -

Forget what Donald & what's going on around him for a moment.
 
Are you Okay / happy with all of what Coach posted ?
It doesn't Bother you ? You Don't think its Wrong ?
& There aren't several issues there that also should be investigated ?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 21, 2022, 03:21:53 PM
Absolutely.  I don’t think it’s enough actually.  I can’t wait for the mass food shortages that kick off the second civil war.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2022, 03:48:45 PM
It's not hard. JUST TO START..both you, Lurker and your ilk voted for this, ALL OF THIS, the lefts treason, the violence, Antifa, BLM, cop killings, Soro's DA's, jail reform, burning of cities, infringing on our 2A rights, the easing of pedo laws, open boarders, adult and child trafficking across the boarders, fake J6 and the literal political prisoners (a Stalinist show trial by communist standards), the "green new deal" every fucking tax hike, every fucking spending/pork bill since Biden was inaugurated including the $739B fake "climate change" and pork bill, high gas prices, begging for oil, the failed Afganistan rescue.....etc etc, etc YOU OWN IT

How we voted is not proof of anything not even of how we voted unless you have magical access to our voting records. It is not even proof that we even voted at all. People say they voted just to be PC, (can’t speak for others, but I do vote every time there is an election and/or ballot measures).

Once again you make the mistake of thinking your opinions prove anything. Opinions are not proof; they are opinions. Some of them address things that happened prior to Biden taking office. BLM and burning cities for example.

Did you get tired of repeating yourself when you added etcetera three times with dots suggesting an infinite number of non-proofs. Maybe 'poofs into thin air' is a better description of your 'proof' claims. 

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Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2022, 03:50:19 PM
Absolutely.  I don’t think it’s enough actually.  I can’t wait for the mass food shortages that kick off the second civil war.

Sometimes your sarcasm is hilarious. This is one of those times.  ;)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 21, 2022, 04:11:59 PM
How we voted is not proof of anything not even of how we voted unless you have magical access to our voting records. It is not even proof that we even voted at all. People say they voted just to be PC, (can’t speak for others, but I do vote every time there is an election and/or ballot measures).


Once again you make the mistake of thinking your opinions prove anything. Opinions are not proof; they are opinions. Some of them address things that happened prior to Biden taking office. BLM and burning cities for example.

Did you get tired of repeating yourself when you added etcetera three times with dots suggesting an infinite number of non-proofs. Maybe 'poofs into thin air' is a better description of your 'proof' claims.

Spin it anyway you like. How you vote is proof since not only were you told what would happen if Biden and his administration somehow got in but exceeded our expectations 10 fold. Either you wanted this current state of the country or just too ignorant to vote. So yes, you own it
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
Spin it anyway you like. How you vote is proof since not only were you told what would happen if Biden and his administration somehow got in but exceeded our expectations 10 fold. Either you wanted this current state of the country or just too ignorant to vote. So yes, you own it

Is proof of what? I believe I previously cleared up the question of whether I vote or not. Although, you might not think so. I am a lot of things, some good and some bad depending on your perspective. One thing I am not is a liar. So, when I tell you that I have consistently voted most of my adult life, I am telling you the absolute truth.

This might surprise you, but I am not as interested in politics as it might seem based on my posts on Getbig. In the almost 78 years I’ve been alive I have seen that sometimes times are good and sometimes they are not. Eventually, it all balances out. Throughout time, those who claimed everything was rosy and those who claimed everything was in the shitter were both wrong. So far, nothing has ever been as bad as the media makes it out to be… and I am talking about mainstream and alternative media, left biased and right biased.

Has the U.S. gone to ‘hell in a handbasket’ since Biden took office? Some people, like you, think it has. I hope time will prove you wrong, but I can’t say that it will because I am talking about the future, and I don’t have a crystal ball. On a personal level, as a retiree on a mostly fixed income, my biggest concern right now is the economy. Understandably, I am also anxious about the state of Social Security and Medicare. If either or both were to fail, it would noticeably affect my standard of living.

Currently, my main issue is with inflation, primarily the cost of groceries. The other day I shopped at Safeway. I checked out with less than a full bag of mostly snack foods and it came to just under $80. The single most expensive item was a bottle of wine for $13. Yeah, I buy cheap wine and this brand has only 6% alcohol so you can’t even get drunk on it. LOL! My PERS annuity COLA is 2% every year. Social Security was 5.9% this year. The current rate of inflation is 8.52%. This isn’t good for me or anyone else. Looks like we are all going broke sooner rather than later.

From everything I read, so far, the picture under Biden and the current administration isn’t good, with one exception. Apparently, the U.S. world standing has improved under Biden, specially with Germany and Japan.
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 21, 2022, 05:43:06 PM
We'll never know. It'll end up being "Major danger. We saved the world from Donald Trump, who wants to destroy the world. Obviously we can't show you because it's Classified Top Secret."

Then both sides will say "See? Told ya so."

And no discussion will ever ensue about the wild overuse of the Top Secret stamp to keep people in the dark and place the actions of every administration's government beyond scrutiny. "Trust us." Sure.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
We'll never know. It'll end up being "Major danger. We saved the world from Donald Trump, who wants to destroy the world. Obviously we can't show you because it's Classified Top Secret."

Then both sides will say "See? Told ya so."

And no discussion will ever ensue about the wild overuse of the Top Secret stamp to keep people in the dark and place the actions of every administration's government beyond scrutiny. "Trust us." Sure.

Excellent observations.

I read an article just today where the author was saying pretty the same thing with regards to Trump and this latest business with the FBI. If they move forward to file criminal charges against him, they better have a ton of evidence and have it right because their record is extremely poor dating back to the Russian collusion fiasco.

Some say that even if Trump ends up being inarguably guilty of something criminal, his most staunch followers will likely not abandon him and may create so much civil unrest, it will be like almost nothing this country has ever seen before, (now I am even talking like Trump, LOL!).

Maybe the government needs to keep secrets from our enemies, whoever they are, but it often seems like too much is kept from the public eye which leads us right into the breeding ground of conspiracy theories. I remember back when that a lot of folks were confident the government was hiding information about flying saucers. Looking back at it this seems ridiculous. For one thing it would just be one government or country but many or even all. The likelihood of space aliens only being interested in the U.S. is just plain stupid.

I mentioned earlier that over the many years I have been alive and somewhat aware it seems as if everything balances out. Sometimes what is going on seems worse than in other times and sometimes it seems better. One aspect of today’s situation which I believe is unique is the almost absolute partisanship and at such opposite poles. Maybe I am spending far too much time on Getbig and on the political forum that it is warping my perspective… Maybe? No, absolutely!   
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 21, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
Excellent observations.

I read an article just today where the author was saying pretty the same thing with regards to Trump and this latest business with the FBI. If they move forward to file criminal charges against him, they better have a ton of evidence and have it right because their record is extremely poor dating back to the Russian collusion fiasco.

Some say that even if Trump ends up being inarguably guilty of something criminal, his most staunch followers will likely not abandon him and may create so much civil unrest, it will be like almost nothing this country has ever seen before, (now I am even talking like Trump, LOL!).

Maybe the government needs to keep secrets from our enemies, whoever they are, but it often seems like too much is kept from the public eye which leads us right into the breeding ground of conspiracy theories. I remember back when that a lot of folks were confident the government was hiding information about flying saucers. Looking back at it this seems ridiculous. For one thing it would just be one government or country but many or even all. The likelihood of space aliens only being interested in the U.S. is just plain stupid.

I mentioned earlier that over the many years I have been alive and somewhat aware it seems as if everything balances out. Sometimes what is going on seems worse than in other times and sometimes it seems better. One aspect of today’s situation which I believe is unique is the almost absolute partisanship and at such opposite poles. Maybe I am spending far too much time on Getbig and on the political forum that it is warping my perspective… Maybe? No, absolutely!   

There's nothing foilhat about saying Bush's wars were based on bullshit. It wasn't a 'failure of Intelligence." They lied. Whipped the public into such a frenzy you couldn't question anything without being told to "Support the troops, dickhead!" To this day I haven't seen a single flag waver say, "I got fooled by liars. It's made me reevaluate my misplaced faith in our government."

Or the 'GFC.' Or universal surveillance. Or what became of Assange and Snowden who brought this to the public's attention and wait for a groundswell of gratitude and vindication which will never come. Nothing little green men level CT about that stuff.

There's a crisis of faith. It just doesn't ever seem to come with an admission of getitin' took, or being driven from rationality by propaganda. Note I'm not expressly saying anything about more recent events, lol.


Politics is arguing about policies, etc. When you've got a government lying and strongarming the citizenry, I think you're well beyond being able to call it.politics.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 22, 2022, 12:50:39 AM
There's nothing foilhat about saying Bush's wars were based on bullshit. It wasn't a 'failure of Intelligence." They lied. Whipped the public into such a frenzy you couldn't question anything without being told to "Support the troops, dickhead!" To this day I haven't seen a single flag waver say, "I got fooled by liars. It's made me reevaluate my misplaced faith in our government."

Or the 'GFC.' Or universal surveillance. Or what became of Assange and Snowden who brought this to the public's attention and wait for a groundswell of gratitude and vindication which will never come. Nothing little green men level CT about that stuff.

There's a crisis of faith. It just doesn't ever seem to come with an admission of getitin' took, or being driven from rationality by propaganda. Note I'm not expressly saying anything about more recent events, lol.


Politics is arguing about policies, etc. When you've got a government lying and strongarming the citizenry, I think you're well beyond being able to call it.politics.

It is rare that this happens on Getbig, but I find nothing to disagree with in the above post. Good work!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 22, 2022, 02:03:20 AM
Bill Gates is buying all that farmland to grow microchipped spinach, you know.

That's how they getcha.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 22, 2022, 03:02:04 AM
As compared to someone that relies on Infowars, Navarro, IG, and Tik Tok videos?   

I’m sure Qoach Todd and find other sources to his liking that posts the same info.
I would trust them more than CNN but that's not saying much.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 22, 2022, 09:05:04 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 22, 2022, 10:17:47 AM
Judge Reinhart formally rejects DOJ argument to keep Trump affidavit sealed, calls raid 'unprecedented'
Fox News ^ | 08/22/2022 | Brooke Singman
Posted on 8/22/2022, 1:01:29


Judge Bruce Reinhart on Monday admitted the FBI's raid on former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home was "unprecedented" and formally rejected the Justice Department's argument to keep the affidavit leading to the search under seal, citing the "intense public and historical interest."

Reinhart, in a filing Monday morning, said he rejects "the Government’s argument that the present record justifies keeping the entire Affidavit under seal."

"The Government argues that even requiring it to redact portions of the Affidavit that could not reveal agent identities or investigative sources and methods imposes an undue burden on its resources and sets a precedent that could be disruptive and burdensome in future cases," Reinhart wrote. "I do not need to reach the question of whether, in some other case, these concerns could justify denying public access; they very well might."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 22, 2022, 12:34:26 PM
Judge Reinhart formally rejects DOJ argument to keep Trump affidavit sealed, calls raid 'unprecedented'
Fox News ^ | 08/22/2022 | Brooke Singman
Posted on 8/22/2022, 1:01:29


Judge Bruce Reinhart on Monday admitted the FBI's raid on former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home was "unprecedented" and formally rejected the Justice Department's argument to keep the affidavit leading to the search under seal, citing the "intense public and historical interest."

Reinhart, in a filing Monday morning, said he rejects "the Government’s argument that the present record justifies keeping the entire Affidavit under seal."

"The Government argues that even requiring it to redact portions of the Affidavit that could not reveal agent identities or investigative sources and methods imposes an undue burden on its resources and sets a precedent that could be disruptive and burdensome in future cases," Reinhart wrote. "I do not need to reach the question of whether, in some other case, these concerns could justify denying public access; they very well might."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

Judge Reinhart signed the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago and now he is calling it unprecedented and wants the affidavit unsealed. Very intredasting.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on August 22, 2022, 12:41:14 PM
Judge Reinhart signed the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago and now he is calling it unprecedented and wants the affidavit unsealed. Very intredasting.

Probably realized he was lied to
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Post by: Tapeworm on August 22, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
He seemed like such a harmless goof in Beverly Hills Cop.

Dammit, Billy.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 22, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChiQbyxDY59/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Post by: Irongrip400 on August 22, 2022, 05:36:22 PM
He seemed like such a harmless goof in Beverly Hills Cop.

Dammit, Billy.


I see what you did there.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 22, 2022, 05:56:30 PM

I see what you did there.

So does Linda.  ;D

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnpleasantSpiffyEarwig-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 22, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.

The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.

By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.

The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.

The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.

On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office — affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum — formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.

That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.

"The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here, President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President's purported 'protective assertion of executive privilege,'" Wall wrote. "... I have therefore decided not to honor the former President's 'protective' claim of privilege."

The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee and the committee's likely chairman if the GOP win control of Congress in November, called the Biden White House's involvement and privilege waiver "amazing news" with implications for past and future presidents.

"Look, the left, they've been out to get President Trump because President Trump's a threat to the clique, to the swamp, to the bureaucracy, to the deep state," Jordan told the "Just the News, Not Noise" television show Tuesday night. "Whatever term you want to use. And they all know it.

"That's why they were out to get him before he was in office, and they set up the whole Russia collusion hoax. It's why they tried to get him while he was in office. And of course, obviously they continue to do so now that he's left. It's just never going to end."

Alan Dershowitz, the famed Harvard law professor emeritus and lifelong Democrat, reviewed some of the correspondence at Just the News' request. He said the Biden White House's eagerness to waive Trump's claims of privilege could have future implications for generations of presidents to come.

I was very surprised," Dershowitz said after reading the text of Wall's letter. "The current president should not be able to waive the executive privilege of a predecessor, without the consent of the former president. Otherwise, [privilege] means nothing. What president will ever discuss anything in private if he knows the man who beat him can and will disclose it."

While some courts have upheld the notion of a successor president waiving privilege for a predecessor, Dershowitz said the matter remains to be decided definitively by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"The best thinking is that an incumbent president cannot waive the right of the previous president," he said in a phone interview with Just the News. "It would make a mockery of the whole notion of privilege."

In her letter, Wall told Corcoran the Biden administration believes a Watergate era ruling suggested Biden had the authority to waive Trump's privileges.

The Supreme Court's decision in Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U.S. 425 (1977), strongly suggests that a former President may not successfully assert executive privilege 'against the very Executive Branch in whose name the privilege is invoked,'" she wrote. That ruling, however, was issued under an earlier predecessor law for presidential records and in the immediate aftermath of one of America's worst presidential scandals.

The correspondence reviewed by Just the News also provides a contemporaneous window into what the National Archives (NARA) found when it first got boxes of documents returned from Trump's compound in February 2022. Those boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration as Trump was leaving the White House on Jan. 20, 2021.

"In its initial review of materials within those boxes, NARA identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials," Wall wrote. "NARA informed the Department of Justice about that discovery, which prompted the Department to ask the President to request that NARA provide the FBI with access to the boxes at issue so that the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community could examine them."

The correspondence and emails show Corcoran had a phone conversation with Su about privilege claims in the spring, with Trump's lawyers raising concerns that some of the materials were subject to Trump's claims of executive privilege.

We have requested the ability to review the documents," Corcoran wrote National Archives General Counsel Gary Stern on April 29, copying Su on the letter. "That review is necessary in order to ascertain whether any specific document is subject to privilege. We would respectfully request that you restrict access to the documents until we have had the opportunity to review the documents and to consult with President Donald J. Trump so that he may personally make any decision to assert a claim of constitutionally based privilege."

But a dozen days later, Wall informed Corcoran that she had the blessing of Biden to overrule those privilege claims and share all materials requested by the DOJ and FBI.

"The White House Counsel's Office acquiesced in an extension of the production date to April 29, and so advised NARA," she wrote. "In accord with that agreement, we had not yet provided the FBI with access to the records when we received your letter on April 29, and we have continued to refrain from providing such access to date.

"It has now been four weeks since we first informed you of our intent to provide the FBI access to the boxes so that it and others in the Intelligence Community can conduct their reviews. Notwithstanding the urgency conveyed by the Department of Justice and the reasonable extension afforded to the former President, your April 29 letter asks for additional time for you to review the materials in the boxes.

Accordingly, I have consulted with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel to inform my 'determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege.' ... I have therefore decided not to honor the former President's 'protective' claim of privilege."

Within a couple of weeks of Wall's letter to Corocoran, the DOJ sent a grand jury subpoena to Trump's team demanding the return of any remaining national security documents, which precipitated a voluntary visit by the FBI to Mar-a-Lago on June 3, when agents picked a small amount of materials Trump's lawyers said were responsive to the subpoena 

Two months later, the FBI escalated again, seeking a search warrant to raid the Trump estate on Aug. 8.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/biden-white-house-facilitated-dojs-criminal-probe-against-trump
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 23, 2022, 07:02:52 AM
How we voted is not proof of anything not even of how we voted unless you have magical access to our voting records. It is not even proof that we even voted at all. People say they voted just to be PC, (can’t speak for others, but I do vote every time there is an election and/or ballot measures).

Once again you make the mistake of thinking your opinions prove anything. Opinions are not proof; they are opinions. Some of them address things that happened prior to Biden taking office. BLM and burning cities for example.

Did you get tired of repeating yourself when you added etcetera three times with dots suggesting an infinite number of non-proofs. Maybe 'poofs into thin air' is a better description of your 'proof' claims.

The simplicity of logic and facts is lost on Qoach.  He is just too stupid to see himself how everyone else does.  I guess that is some kind survival mechanism that retards have.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 23, 2022, 07:06:28 AM
I like how Qoach Todd posts walls of text that nobody reads.  Including himself.   Well he would not understand it if he tried. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 23, 2022, 10:07:39 AM
Hahahahaahahahah…

https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1561478752802320384?s=21&t=LDvr30HoWQClWdnHzcTrdg
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 23, 2022, 08:53:24 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 24, 2022, 03:22:53 PM
^^  Yeah, obvious answer.   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 24, 2022, 04:31:20 PM
Show me yours and I will show you mine.  ;D ;D ;D

Legal basis seems to be the phrase of the day.

Trump’s lawyers ordered to explain legal basis for ‘special master’ lawsuit

Former President Donald Trump was ordered to further explain the legal basis for his new lawsuit seeking appointment of a neutral third-party to review documents seized by the FBI during a search at his Mar-a-Lago home.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-lawyers-ordered-explain-legal-202111694.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 24, 2022, 06:06:24 PM
Hahahahaha... Trumpy crying about Obama over this.   Hahahhahahaahaa.   Just STFU already dumbass.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 24, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
^^  Yeah, obvious answer.   ::)

We knew this dumbass.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 25, 2022, 01:27:38 AM
The libs desperately don't want Trump to run for president again. If they don't get a criminal conviction the meltdown will be epic. If her ere to win the next presidential election there will be mass suicides. I have never seen anyone in my lifetime that has so successfully mind fucked so many people. 8)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 25, 2022, 04:03:49 AM
I'll be able to hear the skyscreamers from here.

Just took this 20 minutes ago.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on August 25, 2022, 04:32:21 AM
The libs desperately don't want Trump to run for president again. If they don't get a criminal conviction the meltdown will be epic. If her ere to win the next presidential election there will be mass suicides. I have never seen anyone in my lifetime that has so successfully mind fucked so many people. 8)

yep - Its totally beyond Belief How Scared the Libtards are of Donald
You got to wonder why they are, They're almost in Hysterical mode !!
Fair enough some don't like him that's understandable , only this absurd
level of Hate & demonization to the point its seriously affecting them WTF.

I can't stand Pant Shitter Joe - Because he's incompetent / Not with it & very clearly a Puppet + he is fucking up American on a Huge scale.
Difference is I'm Not Rabid & Frothing at The Mouth as so many Libtards on here are at the mere Mention of Donald's name !!

They're Fucked up in a Big way.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 25, 2022, 05:51:48 AM
Yeah, everyone is so scared of a lying toddler who has never gotten more votes than his opponent in both elections he ran in.   ::)

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 25, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Yeah, everyone is so scared of a lying toddler who has never gotten more votes than his opponent in both elections he ran in.   ::)

Every time the leftists make up more up shit the higher Trumps popularity rises….keep up the good work
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 25, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
I was unaware the stats of Trumpy losing the popular vote in the past two elections was “made up”.

Was it “made up” the same way like that official state record showing Trumpy was removed from Truth the first week of June that you couldn’t wrap your empty head around.

Or is that what you tell your retarded self as an excuse for whining and crying?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 25, 2022, 12:15:16 PM
The libs desperately don't want Trump to run for president again. If they don't get a criminal conviction the meltdown will be epic. If her ere to win the next presidential election there will be mass suicides. I have never seen anyone in my lifetime that has so successfully mind fucked so many people. 8)

I have this sense that Trump is going down this time. I could be wrong. I have been wrong before. I read today that he is having difficulty finding qualified attorneys to represent him. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 25, 2022, 12:21:14 PM
Every time the leftists make up more up shit the higher Trumps popularity rises….keep up the good work

And the more he receives in contributions which he cons his supporters out of. Since the FBI raided Mar-a-largo he is supposedly bringing 1 million a day.

Sooner or later, the jig will be up. When this happens there is going to be a lot of disappointed Republicans.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 26, 2022, 11:45:22 AM
And the more he receives in contributions which he cons his supporters out of. Since the FBI raided Mar-a-largo he is supposedly bringing 1 million a day.

Sooner or later, the jig will be up. When this happens there is going to be a lot of disappointed Republicans.

Yeah, the jigs been up for the Marxist left after. Anything worse that comes out against Trump will only add to his popularity for most think it’s a witch hunt and total bullshit. It just so happened that the raid happened on the 90th day which means anything after that would be considered election interference….too this off with a affidavit that was mostly redacted….🤔
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 26, 2022, 12:05:58 PM
Yeah, the jigs been up for the Marxist left after. Anything worse that comes out against Trump will only add to his popularity for most think it’s a witch hunt and total bullshit. It just so happened that the raid happened on the 90th day which means anything after that would be considered election interference….too this off with a affidavit that was mostly redacted….🤔

There's a problem with your theory and that is the last I heard Trump said he had made a decision about running for President in 2024, but he has yet to announce it or formalize it. So, technically until he says he is seeking election, there is no election interference.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on August 26, 2022, 12:32:09 PM
There's a problem with your theory and that is the last I heard Trump said he had made a decision about running for President in 2024, but he has yet to announce it or formalize it. So, technically until he says he is seeking election, there is no election interference.

It’s not a theory.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 26, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
It’s not a theory.

Guess I am dense because I have no idea why you added a photoshop of Hunter doing coke when the conversation is about Trump announcing his candidacy, which as far as I can tell has yet to happen.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 26, 2022, 01:22:00 PM
Guess I am dense because I have no idea why you added a photoshop of Hunter doing coke when the conversation is about Trump announcing his candidacy, which as far as I can tell has yet to happen.

Who’s endorsements are dominating? Who’s the face of the GOP? You don’t get it. It’s just 2024, they want him out of politics completely. He’s exposed the leftist agenda and that includes RINO’s. He’s disrupted the DC cabal and cash flow. In 21/2 years Cheney has increased her net worth by $36 million.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 26, 2022, 01:31:36 PM
I have this sense that Trump is going down this time. I could be wrong. I have been wrong before. I read today that he is having difficulty finding qualified attorneys to represent him.

He hired an attorney without even interviewing him first.  But then again what do you expect from an idiot that let Kraken and Rudy handle his cases?   ::)

But can you blame them?  Who wants to represent a man that habitually lies, won't follow legal counsel or even pay them?


---
Trump is rushing to hire seasoned lawyers — but he keeps hearing ‘No’
The former president’s current legal team includes a Florida insurance lawyer who’s never had a federal case, a past general counsel for a parking-garage company and a former host at far-right One America News

Former president Donald Trump and close aides have spent the eight days since the FBI searched his Florida home rushing to assemble a team of respected defense lawyers. But the answer they keep hearing is “no.”

The struggle to find expert legal advice puts Trump in a bind as he faces potential criminal exposure from a records dispute with the National Archives that escalated into a federal investigation into possible violations of the Espionage Act and other statutes.

---
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 26, 2022, 01:33:09 PM
And the more he receives in contributions which he cons his supporters out of. Since the FBI raided Mar-a-largo he is supposedly bringing 1 million a day.

Sooner or later, the jig will be up. When this happens there is going to be a lot of disappointed Republicans.

Yeah, like the ones that donated to a wall that only materialized in a fraud conviction for Bannon, or the legal defense fund that hasn't paid for shit, or the airplane that still hasn't left the ground, or the Trumpy VIP cards that somehow missed the spell check. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 26, 2022, 01:34:19 PM
Guess I am dense because I have no idea why you added a photoshop of Hunter doing coke when the conversation is about Trump announcing his candidacy, which as far as I can tell has yet to happen.

Because Qoach Todd is retarded and has no other talking points to debate or refute with.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 26, 2022, 01:56:39 PM
Who’s endorsements are dominating? Who’s the face of the GOP? You don’t get it. It’s just 2024, they want him out of politics completely. He’s exposed the leftist agenda and that includes RINO’s. He’s disrupted the DC cabal and cash flow. In 21/2 years Cheney has increased her net worth by $36 million.

Interesting tangent you've gone off on... once again.

BTW, I think you meant 'It's not just 2024'

By 2024 he should be out of politics anyway and so should Biden. I'm a day away from being 78 and I wouldn't want to take on that much responsibility. They are both too old for the job. If you want to get behind someone, you'd do better with DeSantis who is only 43 and has plenty of life left.

Like them or not, all these Presidents were much younger that either Biden or Trump.

FDR(D)was 51 elected President 4 times. Theodor Roosevelt (R)(P) was 42 when he became arguably the greatest President the U.S. has had. Kennedy (D) was 43.  When Ronald Regan (R) was elected President at 69 he was the oldest President..   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on August 26, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
Who’s endorsements are dominating? Who’s the face of the GOP? You don’t get it. It’s just 2024, they want him out of politics completely. He’s exposed the leftist agenda and that includes RINO’s. He’s disrupted the DC cabal and cash flow. In 21/2 years Cheney has increased her net worth by $36 million.

"In 21/2 years Cheney has increased her net worth by $36 million."

WTF !! Seriously - By Legit means does she own a Company / business etc
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Post by: Grape Ape on August 26, 2022, 04:06:36 PM
I don't have your level of intelligence so perhaps you could explain to me:
 how there is election interference?
what election?
&
what candidates have declared their intention to stand in that election ?

I have not read what Coach posted, but I can theorize:

When Trump was impeached, it is because the Democrats interpreted his closing comments to be gathering dirt on a political rival he could face in the next election, which is considered election interference (never mind that it wasn't proven, and was partisan).

However, the same would apply to the Biden admin doing it to Trump for 2024.

But as stated, have not researched or confirmed this.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 26, 2022, 04:41:12 PM
I don't have your level of intelligence so perhaps you could explain to me:
 how there is election interference?
what election?
&
what candidates have declared their intention to stand in that election ?

Stop! You will confuse him. Logical thinking is not something he's good at. If something doesn't fit his agenda, he either loses it entirely and posts something irrelevant or completely ignores the responses he disagrees with. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 26, 2022, 05:31:26 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Chuw0lNjg_6/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


Of course it’s a hoax
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 27, 2022, 08:25:05 AM
Stop! You will confuse him. Logical thinking is not something he's good at. If something doesn't fit his agenda, he either loses it entirely and posts something irrelevant or completely ignores the responses he disagrees with.
Leave Biden alone!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 27, 2022, 09:35:18 AM
nonsense

if he does not address the simple questions its because he is too chicken

I addressed your question.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 27, 2022, 10:09:16 AM
Stop! You will confuse him. Logical thinking is not something he's good at. If something doesn't fit his agenda, he either loses it entirely and posts something irrelevant or completely ignores the responses he disagrees with.

Ding Ding Ding... we got a winner.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 27, 2022, 01:14:50 PM
Leave Biden alone!!

LOL!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on August 27, 2022, 04:14:08 PM
I believe Coach is well able and should answer for himself  anything else suggests he needs minders which at the very least would be hurtful to him

You were honest enough to admit you hadn't read his relevant post and you qualified your own thoughts such that I am not sure what to think of it.

He doesn't need minders, it's just that not everyone is on here 24/7 and others enter conversations all the time.

I was trying to draw a resonable parallel as to why it's election interference.

I think it holds up.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 27, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
I believe Coach is well able and should answer for himself  anything else suggests he needs minders which at the very least would be hurtful to him

You were honest enough to admit you hadn't read his relevant post and you qualified your own thoughts such that I am not sure what to think of it.

I stated why. Maybe it went over Primes and your head.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on August 28, 2022, 04:39:59 AM
I stated why. Maybe it went over Primes and your head.


It is possible to give an intelligent answer to a stupid question
but it seems you do not want to do so 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 28, 2022, 05:56:02 AM
Wow great sunset, Tape. Where's that?

About 4 hours east of Perth. Farmhouse ceiling job on a 30,000 acre property. Carried my own extra diesel to make it round trip. Middle of absolute nowhere, nearest paved road hours away, and that's not even deep into Western Australia. Lovely in the winter. No flies, green countryside. New earnings record, which I admit helps me be fond of it all.

There are places where Joe Biden and Donald Trump are a real long way away.
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on August 28, 2022, 08:42:47 AM

There are places where Joe Biden and Donald Trump are a real long way away.
.
Those places have their own set of problems. :(
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Tapeworm on August 28, 2022, 09:12:02 AM
They say every problem has a solution. I guess you're supposed to put the sheep's feet inside your boots so it can't get away. Thankfully I was only 2.5 days out there.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 28, 2022, 06:39:59 PM
Long-ass read but a good one.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/19/think-the-fbi-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-this-laundry-list-of-corruption-should-make-you-think-again/

An examination of the warrant, however, reveals that it authorized FBI agents to seize any and every document Trump came into contact with as president. Furthermore, none of the three criminal statutes the DOJ cited in the warrant required the material to be classified, according to Cleveland.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on August 28, 2022, 06:49:59 PM
Long-ass read but a good one.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/19/think-the-fbi-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-this-laundry-list-of-corruption-should-make-you-think-again/

An examination of the warrant, however, reveals that it authorized FBI agents to seize any and every document Trump came into contact with as president. Furthermore, none of the three criminal statutes the DOJ cited in the warrant required the material to be classified, according to Cleveland.

From what I read; the FBI didn't want to focus on the document’s classification because it wouldn't likely result charges as serious as espionage and obstruction would. Bu who knows, with all the redactions, how this is going to end up is a huge mystery. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on August 28, 2022, 10:16:05 PM
From what I read; the FBI didn't want to focus on the document’s classification because it wouldn't likely result charges as serious as espionage and obstruction would. Bu who knows, with all the redactions, how this is going to end up is a huge mystery.

The narrative over the search has evolved from recovering classified documents, to recovering nuclear codes and secrets, but it now seems that the DOJ was involved in a fishing expedition: cast a wide net and see what turns up. 

Who knows, indeed.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on August 29, 2022, 04:50:07 PM
Unsealed Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals the government has no case against Trump
BY KEVIN R. BROCK, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 08/28/22

When two dozen or more FBI agents searched former President Trump’s residence three weeks ago, most Americans initially were left wondering what in the world must Trump have done. After all, a prodigious FBI search logically indicates an equally prodigious violation of some federal statute; therefore, it must be really serious. One former Department of Justice (DOJ) official told Politico that the evidence sought “was likely so pulverizing in its force” that it would “eviscerate” the possibility of the optics for such an invasive law enforcement action not being good.

Well, it’s now pretty official: The optics aren’t good.

Everyone in America, from plumber to president, is constitutionally protected from a government search that lacks adequate cause. 

We now know why the DOJ wanted the affidavit — which is supposed to articulate the probable cause needed for a legitimate search — to be kept under seal. After the magistrate who authorized the search forced the DOJ to unseal a redacted version, two realities came into better focus.

First, the affidavit confirmed that the FBI’s investigation was triggered in January 2022 at the request of the National Archives, which wanted certain documents, especially classified documents, that it considered to be presidential records to be turned over to it by Trump. Second, from what I have seen, I don’t believe the affidavit articulates how a federal law was or is being broken. For those who hold out hope that the affidavit’s redacted sections fill that gap, there is almost no chance that they do. (More on that below.)

As to the first point, this matter is, as suspected, nothing more than a document dispute that was chugging along, appropriately, as a negotiation behind the scenes and apparently making some progress. I don’t see anything in the affidavit asserting a refusal by Trump to cooperate.

Any clinging hope — in certain quarters — that the affidavit possessed “pulverizing” cause to believe Trump was engaged in a truly serious federal violation can — I think — be considered dashed. The pipe dream that Trump was engaged in espionage, actively providing secrets to an enemy I think is as fanciful as the Steele dossier’s Moscow hotel bed reverie. And, no, I don’t believe a smoking gun of espionage or something equally shocking will be in the redacted sections. If the FBI had that, it would have fronted that in the unredacted portions. 

As to the second and more important point, the affidavit’s probable cause statements focus on only half of what is needed to show a possible violation of the federal statutes that are cited in the warrant. The affidavit does a reasonable job of establishing cause to believe Trump possessed a range of classified materials — or at least once-classified materials — and that those materials were located in his residence.

But that’s not all that’s needed — in this case in particular. A criminal violation of those statutes only exists if it can be established that the person being investigated was not authorized to possess, store, transfer or copy those documents. This is an easy element to establish against anyone in America. Except one person. 

The unredacted parts of the affidavit make no attempt to articulate cause that Trump was not authorized to have these documents in his home. The reason is that, as president, he had broad, legally intimidating authority, established by law and court determinations, to declassify any and all documents and to determine what is and is not a presidential record. Trump and his legal team have asserted that this authority was exercised while he was still president. Therefore, a violation of these fairly low-level and seldom-prosecuted document-oriented statutes cannot be proven. 

I don’t think there’s much chance that the affidavit’s redacted portions contain some novel legal theory undercutting this broad, well-established presidential authority. Affidavits for intrusive searches of a private home — the most extreme action the government can take against a resident of the United States, short of arrest — are not the place for advancing theories. Probable cause must be built on facts.

The redacted sections are considerable. Redaction is supposed to be utilized only to protect sensitive methods and techniques — in other words, how the government came by its information that it doesn’t want to publicly divulge so it can keep using those tactics or protect providers of information. A good and prudent example would be the use of confidential human and/or technical sources. A bad example would be citing press reports, a la the Carter Page Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act affidavit.

The redacted portions therefore, normally, will simply cover how the FBI supported its assertions in the unredacted sections that Trump possessed classified materials in his residence — i.e., what confidential or sensitive sources were used to establish those facts. Don’t expect anything more.

The situation does not look good for the government. The Ivy League-educated attorneys of the DOJ had to know this adventure had little chance of an eventual successful prosecution. The use, therefore, of a highly intrusive search of a home simply as a forcing function to retrieve documents for the National Archives — and then not follow through with actual charges — spikes the potential abuse needle dramatically and will not help quiet the growing suspicion that this was more of a political hitjob to take Trump off the chessboard than it was the pursuit of blind justice. 

I am often asked if the FBI had no choice but to pursue the National Archives request and open a case. Yes, it had a choice and, no, it didn’t have to open this investigation. The FBI declines to initiate cases involving more serious violations all the time. 

The platitudinous justification from Democrats is “No one is above the law” — but we know that’s not true. The last time the Democrats controlled the DOJ, Hillary Clinton was set high aloft and placed out of reach of “reasonable” prosecution by then-FBI Director James Comey with the concurrence of the DOJ. Even Comey noted that she was clearly not authorized to possess highly classified documents on a private server.

Politicians on both the right and left say bombastic things that inflame passions and drive opposition attempts to eliminate competition. But involving our justice system in politically tainted efforts can never be tolerated.  No citizen of this land, no matter who they are, should be subjected to a law enforcement action where there is an absence of evidence that anything illegal occurred.

Kevin R. Brock is a former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI and principal deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). He independently consults with private companies and public-safety agencies on strategic mission technologies.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3618515-unsealed-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-affidavit-reveals-the-government-has-no-case-against-trump/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 30, 2022, 10:40:10 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/30/kash-patel-responds-attacks-says-fbi-document-probe-run-same-russiagate-crew/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 31, 2022, 01:26:39 PM
In Heinz sight (pun for slow ones) he shouldn’t have taken them in the first place.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 01, 2022, 09:28:23 AM
The whining continues.  Does this imbecile ever shut up and stop lying?  (No)

After claiming -with no evidence (as usual)- that the FBI planted classified documents to “find”, Trumpy is now claiming -with no evidence (again as usual)- that they spread all the documents all over the floor to make it look like he did it.

 ::)

Cue  in the excuses and spin.   Hahahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 01, 2022, 07:30:02 PM
The whining continues.  Does this imbecile ever shut up and stop lying?  (No)

After claiming -with no evidence (as usual)- that the FBI planted classified documents to “find”, Trumpy is now claiming -with no evidence (again as usual)- that they spread all the documents all over the floor to make it look like he did it.

 ::)

Cue  in the excuses and spin.   Hahahahaha

I don’t think he should’ve had that stuff, but to your second point, the pictures were of the stuff spread out on the floor. It’s not like it was sitting there out in the open. It’s like going on a fishing charter and taking pics of all the fish laid out on the dock.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 02, 2022, 04:36:31 AM
I don’t think he should’ve had that stuff, but to your second point, the pictures were of the stuff spread out on the floor. It’s not like it was sitting there out in the open. It’s like going on a fishing charter and taking pics of all the fish laid out on the dock.

I’m sure Mar A Lardo has security cameras and he can show the agents spreading it all around on the floor.  I mean he claims it was safe and secure.   Top secret information would have been monitored in some way right?  Especially when you have phony foreign people infiltrating the premises and hanging out with him. 

And if the FBI planted those documents why would he say he wanted them back?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2022, 01:33:02 PM
I don’t think he should’ve had that stuff, but to your second point, the pictures were of the stuff spread out on the floor. It’s not like it was sitting there out in the open. It’s like going on a fishing charter and taking pics of all the fish laid out on the dock.

Why not?  He had the unilateral right to declassify anything without following any kind of protocol.  No one else in the country has that kind of power.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on September 02, 2022, 02:08:38 PM
In Heinz sight


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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 02, 2022, 05:02:59 PM
Why not?  He had the unilateral right to declassify anything without following any kind of protocol.  No one else in the country has that kind of power.

Except no evidence that he actually did even exists.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2022, 05:06:40 PM
I don’t think he should’ve had that stuff, but to your second point, the pictures were of the stuff spread out on the floor. It’s not like it was sitting there out in the open. It’s like going on a fishing charter and taking pics of all the fish laid out on the dock.

Good analogy. This is my thought exactly. They could say they found these folders and documents all they wanted but taking a picture of them says it for them and makes it more believable.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2022, 05:12:16 PM
I’m sure Mar A Lardo has security cameras and he can show the agents spreading it all around on the floor.  I mean he claims it was safe and secure.   Top secret information would have been monitored in some way right?  Especially when you have phony foreign people infiltrating the premises and hanging out with him. 

And if the FBI planted those documents why would he say he wanted them back?

I think that's the point, they weren't being monitored and therefore not secured. Trump treated these documents with no more regard than if they were McDonald and Kentucky Fried Chicken wrappers haphazardly scatter about like trash.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2022, 05:20:37 PM
Why not?  He had the unilateral right to declassify anything without following any kind of protocol.  No one else in the country has that kind of power.

None of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 02, 2022, 06:34:07 PM
The whining continues.

Rich coming from a guy still crying about Trump for the last 6 years. ;D

Does this imbecile ever shut up and stop lying?  (No)

You do not, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2022, 07:41:49 PM
Except no evidence that he actually did even exists.

He doesn't need evidence other than his own comments.  There is no protocol. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2022, 07:42:22 PM
None of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.

Then why did they take pictures of classified markings and use them as a photo op? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 03, 2022, 12:07:34 AM
Then why did they take pictures of classified markings and use them as a photo op?

Interesting question, Dos. Do you believe that the Fed's photographic display of the classified document discoveries at Mar-lar-go will work in Trump's favor legally or not? Do you think Trump with his ever-diminishing troupe of qualified attorneys shimmy him out of harm’s way as has previously been the case because of Department of Justice missteps? Will the jig never be up? Will all this just end up being a comedy of errors? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 03, 2022, 12:40:04 AM
Interesting question, Dos. Do you believe that the Fed's photographic display of the classified document discoveries at Mar-lar-go will work in Trump's favor legally or not? Do you think Trump with his ever-diminishing troupe of qualified attorneys shimmy him out of harm’s way as has previously been the case because of Department of Justice missteps? Will the jig never be up? Will all this just end up being a comedy of errors?

Classified markings are irrelevant here.  The contents of documents, not its markings, determine whether the document is classified. 

But the reason this is friggin stupid is the POTUS has the power to declassify anything, in his sole discretion, without going through any kind of protocol.  He's the only person in the country with that kind of authority.  So taking a picture of something that says "classified" when those documents were declassified was nothing more than an attempt to influence public opinion.  This is particularly effective for people who get their news from most of the MSM. 

Trump has an "ever-diminishing troupe of qualified attorneys"?  What liberal rag told you that? 

If you're asking how this will end, I think it ends with Trump getting inaugurated in January 2025.  But that will not stop the DOJ from pursuing this.  These are the same people who pushed the Russia hoax for three years.  And people who are no longer working there (including Peter Strzok and Andrew Weissmann) are all over the media pushing another fake narrative.  These people have no soul.  They are unAmerican dirtbags.

Go read up on what Weissmann did to Arthur Andersen.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 03, 2022, 08:23:27 AM
Classified markings are irrelevant here.  The contents of documents, not its markings, determine whether the document is classified. 

But the reason this is friggin stupid is the POTUS has the power to declassify anything, in his sole discretion, without going through any kind of protocol.  He's the only person in the country with that kind of authority.  So taking a picture of something that says "classified" when those documents were declassified was nothing more than an attempt to influence public opinion.  This is particularly effective for people who get their news from most of the MSM. 

Trump has an "ever-diminishing troupe of qualified attorneys"?  What liberal rag told you that? 

If you're asking how this will end, I think it ends with Trump getting inaugurated in January 2025.  But that will not stop the DOJ from pursuing this.  These are the same people who pushed the Russia hoax for three years.  And people who are no longer working there (including Peter Strzok and Andrew Weissmann) are all over the media pushing another fake narrative.  These people have no soul.  They are unAmerican dirtbags.

Go read up on what Weissmann did to Arthur Andersen.
I've never heard that before. Why hasn't a single media outlet brought that up? This is all about continuing to drag Trump through the mud in an attempt to disqualify him from running again.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 04, 2022, 07:16:40 AM
He doesn't need evidence other than his own comments.  There is no protocol.

The most habitual blatant liar in history being taken at his own words?   ::)

Yet there would still be evidence they were declassified.  Even if it were just moving them to another file cabinet or stamping them. There is none.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 04, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
The most habitual blatant liar in history being taken at his own words?   ::)

Yet there would still be evidence they were declassified.  Even if it were just moving them to another file cabinet or stamping them. There is none.

Oh the irony
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 04, 2022, 10:20:43 AM
Oh the irony

That you are here parroting every lie and CT?   

 ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: illuminati on September 04, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 04, 2022, 11:40:35 AM
The FBI seized over 50 empty folders marked “CLASSIFIED” during last month’s raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

According to a more detailed property receipt of the seized documents, the FBI discovered 43 empty folders with classified banners in Trump’s office and several others in the former president’s storage room.

It is uncertain whether the photo the DOJ recently released that showed classified folders scattered across the floor included any of the empty folders the FBI seized

Federal Judge Aileen Cannon ordered the DOJ to unseal a more detailed property receipt during a hearing on Thursday. The first property receipt released shortly after the Mar-a-Lago raid only mentioned nondescript items, such as “Miscellaneous Top Secret Documents,” and “Various classified/TS/SCI documents.”

The unsealed property receipt also showed the FBI seized more than 40 empty folders marked “Return to Staff Secretary/Military Aide.” Some government documents were in boxes mixed with personal items like newspapers and magazines.

Trump spokesman Taylor Budowich said the newly released property receipt shows FBI agents conducted a “SMASH AND GRAB” of Trump’s documents.

“The new “detailed” inventory list only further proves that this unprecedented and unnecessary raid of President Trump’s home was not some surgical, confined search and retrieval that the Biden administration claims, it was a SMASH AND GRAB,” Budowich tweeted.

“These document disputes should be resolved under the Presidential Records Act, which requires cooperation and negotiation by NARA, not an armed FBI raid.”

Judge Cannon also ordered the DOJ to unseal the status report of the team investigating Trump’s seized documents. That status report, also released Friday, confirmed the DOJ has completed its “preliminary review” of the seized documents but noted the review is one step in its “ongoing process in this active criminal investigation.”

“The seized materials will continue to be used to further the government’s investigation, and the investigative team will continue to use and evaluate the seized materials as it takes further investigative steps, such as through additional interviews and grand jury practice,” DOJ attorneys said.

In Thursday’s hearing, Judge Cannon delayed her decision on Trump’s request to appoint a Special Master, an independent watchdog who would review the seized documents before the DOJ could continue to use the documents in its investigation.

Trump’s legal team argued any documents seized from Mar-a-Lago were similar to an “overdue-library-book scenario” on Thursday.

“We’ve characterized it at times as an overdue-library-book scenario where there’s a dispute — not even a dispute — but ongoing negotiations with [the National Archives] that has suddenly been transformed into a criminal investigation,” Trump lawyer James Trusty said.

Trump’s attorneys also argued Judge Cannon was in a “unique position” to “help restore public confidence” in the DOJ.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/02/over-50-classified-folders-seized-by-fbi-from-mar-a-lago-were-empty/

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 04, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
I've never heard that before. Why hasn't a single media outlet brought that up? This is all about continuing to drag Trump through the mud in an attempt to disqualify him from running again.

Because that is not clearly established. There is precedent that a protocol is required. He has to inform someone and steps should be taken. In this case there is no evidence that he uttered those words and even his claim that he had "standing orders" than anything he takes from a secured location marked classifed is magically unclassified isn't supported by his staff.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/


It seems the pro Trump camp is perfectly fine with a President, even Biden (just kidding) having the god like power to declare documents declassified after the fact when caught storing them at home. I personally believe IF this were the case, which seems a stupid power to have, it should be stopped immediately. You wanna give the President the power to do so, at least have a protocol in place so this doesn't happen. I mean I understand for decades we assumed a President wouldn't remove classified documents when leaving office and store boxes at his house. We learned the hard way that we can't trust our Presidents to be remotely ethical, so we need safeguards in place. This would apply to the pardon crap as well.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 04, 2022, 01:01:43 PM
Remember Hillary Clinton standard set by comey?    She was not even POTUS.


Because that is not clearly established. There is precedent that a protocol is required. He has to inform someone and steps should be taken. In this case there is no evidence that he uttered those words and even his claim that he had "standing orders" than anything he takes from a secured location marked classifed is magically unclassified isn't supported by his staff.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/


It seems the pro Trump camp is perfectly fine with a President, even Biden (just kidding) having the god like power to declare documents declassified after the fact when caught storing them at home. I personally believe IF this were the case, which seems a stupid power to have, it should be stopped immediately. You wanna give the President the power to do so, at least have a protocol in place so this doesn't happen. I mean I understand for decades we assumed a President wouldn't remove classified documents when leaving office and store boxes at his house. We learned the hard way that we can't trust our Presidents to be remotely ethical, so we need safeguards in place. This would apply to the pardon crap as well.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2022, 02:28:42 PM
Remember Hillary Clinton standard set by comey?    She was not even POTUS.

That she was not POTUS worked in her favor. Had she been elected and somehow continued to maintain a server in the basement of her private residence (not the Whitehouse), she'd have been in deeper shit then she was. It is widely held that Comey's last-minute revelation is what got Trump elected.

The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/results.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 04, 2022, 02:39:38 PM
False.   Ty e standard was set for prosecution.   Under the comey standard trump even worst case scenario does not fit that bill.


That she was not POTUS worked in her favor. Had she been elected and somehow continued to maintain a server in the basement of her private residence (not the Whitehouse), she'd have been in deeper shit then she was. It is widely held that Comey's last-minute revelation is what got Trump elected.

The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/results.
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Post by: chaos on September 04, 2022, 04:40:58 PM
Because that is not clearly established. There is precedent that a protocol is required. He has to inform someone and steps should be taken. In this case there is no evidence that he uttered those words and even his claim that he had "standing orders" than anything he takes from a secured location marked classifed is magically unclassified isn't supported by his staff.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/


It seems the pro Trump camp is perfectly fine with a President, even Biden (just kidding) having the god like power to declare documents declassified after the fact when caught storing them at home. I personally believe IF this were the case, which seems a stupid power to have, it should be stopped immediately. You wanna give the President the power to do so, at least have a protocol in place so this doesn't happen. I mean I understand for decades we assumed a President wouldn't remove classified documents when leaving office and store boxes at his house. We learned the hard way that we can't trust our Presidents to be remotely ethical, so we need safeguards in place. This would apply to the pardon crap as well.
I wonder if Trump used the alphabet organizations against Obama, if they would have found "classified" material at his joint?
Do you think the alphabet organizations should be used against political opponents like what Biden has done?
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2022, 02:18:08 PM
BREAKING: Judge grants Trump's request to have special master review Mar-a-Lago raid documents
A judge has granted President Donald Trump's request to have a special master review the documents seized during the Mar-a-Lago raid.
Roberto Wakerell-Cruz
Montreal, QC
September 5, 2022
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-judge-grants-trumps-request-to-have-special-master-review-mar-a-lago-raid-documents?utm_campaign=64487
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2022, 02:20:27 PM
The most habitual blatant liar in history being taken at his own words?   ::)

Yet there would still be evidence they were declassified.  Even if it were just moving them to another file cabinet or stamping them. There is none.

The only evidence required is what the president says he did. 

Here is a two minute clip that does a great job of summarizing how broad the president's authority is when it comes to declassification:

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Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2022, 02:22:02 PM
I've never heard that before. Why hasn't a single media outlet brought that up? This is all about continuing to drag Trump through the mud in an attempt to disqualify him from running again.

True story.  And you know what's really sinister?  A lot of the same players involved in the Russia hoax are involved in this one. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
Because that is not clearly established. There is precedent that a protocol is required. He has to inform someone and steps should be taken. In this case there is no evidence that he uttered those words and even his claim that he had "standing orders" than anything he takes from a secured location marked classifed is magically unclassified isn't supported by his staff.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/


It seems the pro Trump camp is perfectly fine with a President, even Biden (just kidding) having the god like power to declare documents declassified after the fact when caught storing them at home. I personally believe IF this were the case, which seems a stupid power to have, it should be stopped immediately. You wanna give the President the power to do so, at least have a protocol in place so this doesn't happen. I mean I understand for decades we assumed a President wouldn't remove classified documents when leaving office and store boxes at his house. We learned the hard way that we can't trust our Presidents to be remotely ethical, so we need safeguards in place. This would apply to the pardon crap as well.

The president having the sole and absolute power to declassify anything without following any protocol is "clearly established." 

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/how-us-presidents-can-declassify-documents-trump-mar-a-lago-search-fact-check/536-e1961390-e7c6-438a-b9b5-671dc9c6f7ec
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 05, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 05, 2022, 07:25:09 PM
Because that is not clearly established. There is precedent that a protocol is required. He has to inform someone and steps should be taken. In this case there is no evidence that he uttered those words and even his claim that he had "standing orders" than anything he takes from a secured location marked classifed is magically unclassified isn't supported by his staff.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/


It seems the pro Trump camp is perfectly fine with a President, even Biden (just kidding) having the god like power to declare documents declassified after the fact when caught storing them at home. I personally believe IF this were the case, which seems a stupid power to have, it should be stopped immediately. You wanna give the President the power to do so, at least have a protocol in place so this doesn't happen. I mean I understand for decades we assumed a President wouldn't remove classified documents when leaving office and store boxes at his house. We learned the hard way that we can't trust our Presidents to be remotely ethical, so we need safeguards in place. This would apply to the pardon crap as well.

Goddammit I’m fucking sick and tired of you fucking leftists using so called “factcheck” or any “fact check” sources you use only to not only have them debunked but proven to be not legit sources loooooong ago. You’re supposedly a fucking detective, is this how you soured your evidence????

Everything, LITERALLY EVERYTHING since the day that fucker rode down that escalator has been debunked….EVERYTHING and it was the sources you use to spew this bullshit were not only debunked but discredited as fact check sources. It’s leftists like you that keep those morons in business because they are in FACT Marixist propaganda sites. You follow (and without knowing it because it takes some semblance of intelligence to realize it) the ideologies of Alinski and Marx to THE FUCKING T!

Agnostic, I know you’re smarter than this.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 05, 2022, 09:25:14 PM
He lied? No way!!!  ::)



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/boom-federal-judge-tuesdays-decision-revealed-incumbent-president-joe-biden-ordered-fbi-access-mar-lago-documents-personal-belongings/
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2022, 04:42:12 AM
Judge GRANTS Trump’s request to have a special master review documents seized in Mar-a-Lago raid - as its revealed FBI agents took medical records from ex-President’s home
Daily Mail ^ | September 5, 2022 | Geoff Earle
Posted on 9/5/2022, 12:15:55 PM


A federal judge in Florida has granted Donald Trump's request to have a special master review the documents seized during the raid on Mar-a-Lago – granting a key demand of the former president and tapping the breaks on the government's investigation.

Judge Aileen Cannon approved Trump's motion to appoint a special master 'to review the seized property for personal items and documents and potentially privileged material subject to claims of attorney client and/or executive privilege.'

The Trump-appointed judge also 'temporarily enjoins' the government from 'reviewing and using the seized materials' pending the completion of the review.

That grants Trump and his legal team a side benefit of stalling the fast-moving proceedings that have unfolded since the August 8 FBI search of Mar-a-Lago.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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Post by: Gym-Rat on September 06, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
I could see if any of our Demturdz here had anything to say about Kilary and the mail-server, a very treasonous, and traitor like crime.
Still wound tight about Trump I see.

Grow some balls, stand up for whats right across the board. She should be in prison, for that and other horrific crimes. Benghazi, etc.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 10:14:31 AM
I could see if any of our Demturdz here had anything to say about Kilary and the mail-server, a very treasonous, and traitor like crime.
Still wound tight about Trump I see.

Grow some balls, stand up for whats right across the board. She should be in prison, for that and other horrific crimes. Benghazi, etc.

So you saying Trumpy should be in prison?

I seem to recall GOP lead investigations clearing her.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 10:17:55 AM
The only evidence required is what the president says he did. 

Here is a two minute clip that does a great job of summarizing how broad the president's authority is when it comes to declassification:



There has to be evidence that is was actually declassified.  There is none. Even his own aides do not remembering him declassifying it.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Goddammit I’m fucking sick and tired of you fucking leftists using so called “factcheck” or any “fact check” sources you use only to not only have them debunked but proven to be not legit sources loooooong ago. You’re supposedly a fucking detective, is this how you soured your evidence????

Everything, LITERALLY EVERYTHING since the day that fucker rode down that escalator has been debunked….EVERYTHING and it was the sources you use to spew this bullshit were not only debunked but discredited as fact check sources. It’s leftists like you that keep those morons in business because they are in FACT Marixist propaganda sites. You follow (and without knowing it because it takes some semblance of intelligence to realize it) the ideologies of Alinski and Marx to THE FUCKING T!

Agnostic, I know you’re smarter than this.


No you are just sick of facts that you can’t handle in your LaLa Land.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 06, 2022, 10:25:32 AM

No you are just sick of facts that you can’t handle in your LaLa Land.

Dipshit…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/05/judge-cannon-grants-trump-request-for-special-master-review-in-mar-a-lago-raid/
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2022, 10:26:21 AM
Dipshit…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/05/judge-cannon-grants-trump-request-for-special-master-review-in-mar-a-lago-raid/

They got him now!   :D  ;D
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
There has to be evidence that is was actually declassified.  There is none. Even his own aides do not remembering him declassifying it.

Did you watch the clip?  There is no protocol.  The only evidence needed is the president saying he declassified something, which he can do simply by saying it.  No writing is required.  He's not required to tell someone.  So if he says he declassified anything that's the "evidence." 
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 11:00:31 AM
Absolutely outrageous.

5. DOJ Seized a Lot of Personal Material
Another revelation from Monday’s order concerned the amount of personal material the FBI seized. “The Government’s inventory reflects a seizure of approximately 11,000 documents and 1,800 other items from Plaintiff’s residence,” the court wrote. Of the material seized, the court said approximately 100 documents contained classification markings. But the FBI also seized some 500 pages of material potentially protected by attorney-client privilege, medical documents, correspondence related to taxes, and accounting information.

Further, as the court noted, “the Government also has acknowledged that it seized some “[p]ersonal effects without evidentiary value.” And “some of the seized items (e.g., articles of clothing)” were “readily identifiable as personal property.” The FBI had also seized three of Trump’s passports, but those items have already been returned to the former president.

That the FBI seized Trump’s passports, articles of clothing, medical records, and accounting and tax documents during the raid of Mar-a-Lago highlights both the breadth (and lack of particularity) of the search warrant and the potential for the Biden administration to use the search as a fishing expedition.

Special Master Order Reveals Biden’s Direct Involvement In Trump Raid And Six Other Bombshells
BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND
SEPTEMBER 06, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/06/special-master-order-reveals-bidens-direct-involvement-in-trump-raid-and-six-other-bombshells/
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2022, 11:07:19 AM
Pedofiles and perverts going through Melania drawers.   Insane. 
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 06, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Pedofiles and perverts going through Melania drawers.   Insane.

“Prove it” - Lurker
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2022, 11:37:20 AM
“Prove it” - Lurker

Further, as the court noted, “the Government also has acknowledged that it seized some “[p]ersonal effects without evidentiary value.” And “some of the seized items (e.g., articles of clothing)” were “readily identifiable as personal property.” The FBI had also seized three of Trump’s passports, but those items have already been returned to the former president.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Dipshit…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/05/judge-cannon-grants-trump-request-for-special-master-review-in-mar-a-lago-raid/

That has NOTHING to do with your previous post that the FBI planted evidence.   Retard.    ::)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 12:35:24 PM
Did you watch the clip?  There is no protocol.  The only evidence needed is the president saying he declassified something, which he can do simply by saying it.  No writing is required.  He's not required to tell someone.  So if he says he declassified anything that's the "evidence."

The protocol is not what I am referring to.  If a document is classified and becomes classified there must be evidence that it is now declassified.  Even if it is nothing more than a rubber stamp on the front.  It’s really simple.  How else would tell the difference whether it was classified or not? 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 12:36:29 PM
“Prove it” - Lurker

“Debunk it” - Qoach Todd
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 12:54:09 PM
The protocol is not what I am referring to.  If a document is classified and becomes classified there must be evidence that it is now declassified.  Even if it is nothing more than a rubber stamp on the front.  It’s really simple.  How else would tell the difference whether it was classified or not?

You have to distinguish the POTUS from everyone else in the country.  He possess power that no one else has.  And yes you really are talking about protocol when you're talking about some "rubber stamp on the front."  Documents get classified based on their content.  They are then usually "marked" classified.  When documents are de-classified, there is no de-classification "stamp."  Declassified documents usually still have classified markings.  The markings don't determine whether the documents are classified. 

For anyone other than the POTUS, you have a point.  When it comes to the POTUS, you don't.  He has the constitutional authority to declassify anything and doesn't have to provide evidence other than whatever he says.  No stamp, letter, memo, etc. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 06, 2022, 02:18:52 PM
True story.  And you know what's really sinister?  A lot of the same players involved in the Russia hoax are involved in this one.

Who are these folks? Can you provide names?
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 02:44:04 PM
Who are these folks? Can you provide names?

FBI unit leading Mar-a-Lago probe also ran discredited Trump-Russia investigation
By Paul Sperry
RealClearInvestigations
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/
Friday, August 19, 2022
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/In-The-News/In-The-News/Article/FBI-unit-leading-Mar-a-Lago-probe-also-ran-discredited-Trump-Russia-investigation/2/20/82601

Then there are people like Weismann and Stzrok acting as mouthpieces for the fascist Mar-a-Lago raid.
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 06, 2022, 03:27:28 PM
You have to distinguish the POTUS from everyone else in the country.  He possess power that no one else has.  And yes you really are talking about protocol when you're talking about some "rubber stamp on the front."  Documents get classified based on their content.  They are then usually "marked" classified.  When documents are de-classified, there is no de-classification "stamp."  Declassified documents usually still have classified markings.  The markings don't determine whether the documents are classified. 

For anyone other than the POTUS, you have a point.  When it comes to the POTUS, you don't.  He has the constitutional authority to declassify anything and doesn't have to provide evidence other than whatever he says.  No stamp, letter, memo, etc.

Based on what I've read, the issue isn't so much a matter of document classification or declassification. It is a matter moving and possessing these documents whether classified or not.
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 03:49:14 PM
Based on what I've read, the issue isn't so much a matter of document classification or declassification. It is a matter moving and possessing these documents whether classified or not.

If this is a dispute over whether the documents are "personal" or belong to the National Archives, then it's akin to arguing over an overdue library book.  It's not a crime.  It's something numerous presidents have fought about. 

And if it isn't about classification, why did they manufacture a photo op with empty folders and file it as a public document?
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Post by: chaos on September 06, 2022, 05:51:44 PM
True story.  And you know what's really sinister?  A lot of the same players involved in the Russia hoax are involved in this one.
I wonder why liberals don't see this? How many times does a plot have to play out with the same cast before it becomes suspicious?
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 06:02:48 PM
I wonder why liberals don't see this? How many times does a plot have to play out with the same cast before it becomes suspicious?

Oh they see it. They just don't care.  Ends justifies the means for those people.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 06, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
You have to distinguish the POTUS from everyone else in the country.  He possess power that no one else has.  And yes you really are talking about protocol when you're talking about some "rubber stamp on the front."  Documents get classified based on their content.  They are then usually "marked" classified.  When documents are de-classified, there is no de-classification "stamp."  Declassified documents usually still have classified markings.  The markings don't determine whether the documents are classified. 

For anyone other than the POTUS, you have a point.  When it comes to the POTUS, you don't.  He has the constitutional authority to declassify anything and doesn't have to provide evidence other than whatever he says.  No stamp, letter, memo, etc.

You are either missing the point or purposely deflecting from it.  I am not talking about the President nor the protocol itself.   I am talking about the document. 

If you have Document A that is classified then the it is declassified there has to be some designation of the current uptake status of the document.  The rubber stamp was just for scenario purposes.  But anyone that looks at or possesses that document needs to know if it is classified or not.  Whether they retrieve it from a certain file cabinet (another scenario) or it is not included on declassified lists.  There has to be some evidence that the document is no longer too secret or classified.  In this case no evidence exists.  Even his aids do not remember him declassifying anything. And he does not have the power to do so post presidency.
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 06, 2022, 06:46:27 PM
Oh they see it. They just don't care.  Ends justifies the means for those people.

"Those people" as if all liberal people think alike or all conservative people do.  ::)
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 06, 2022, 06:58:58 PM
You are either missing the point or purposely deflecting from it.  I am not talking about the President nor the protocol itself.   I am talking about the document. 

If you have Document A that is classified then the it is declassified there has to be some designation of the current uptake status of the document.  The rubber stamp was just for scenario purposes.  But anyone that looks at or possesses that document needs to know if it is classified or not.  Whether they retrieve it from a certain file cabinet (another scenario) or it is not included on declassified lists.  There has to be some evidence that the document is no longer too secret or classified.  In this case no evidence exists.  Even his aids do not remember him declassifying anything. And he does not have the power to do so post presidency.

I thought there had to be some definitive way to identify that a government document was declassified because this is only logical. If there is, it is buried in bureaucratic mumbo jumbo designed to reveal nothing.  Supposedly most classified documents have a suspense date, after which they are no longer classified. However, classified aspects of them may be redacted. If this makes any sense to you, let me know what it means.

I did read that moving and storing (hoarding) government documents is against the rules and possibly breaks the law.

We are witnessing a tremendous cat and mouse game. How it ends, nobody knows.   
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Post by: AbrahamG on September 06, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
I could see if any of our Demturdz here had anything to say about Kilary and the mail-server, a very treasonous, and traitor like crime.
Still wound tight about Trump I see.

Grow some balls, stand up for whats right across the board. She should be in prison, for that and other horrific crimes. Benghazi, etc.

If memory serves, the GOP had both houses, spent 57 million investigating Benghazi and she testified for (and I could be wrong about this number) 12 hours.  They came up with nothing. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 08:57:56 PM
You are either missing the point or purposely deflecting from it.  I am not talking about the President nor the protocol itself.   I am talking about the document. 

If you have Document A that is classified then the it is declassified there has to be some designation of the current uptake status of the document.  The rubber stamp was just for scenario purposes.  But anyone that looks at or possesses that document needs to know if it is classified or not.  Whether they retrieve it from a certain file cabinet (another scenario) or it is not included on declassified lists.  There has to be some evidence that the document is no longer too secret or classified.  In this case no evidence exists.  Even his aids do not remember him declassifying anything. And he does not have the power to do so post presidency.

You are missing the point.  You cannot talk about classification and de-classification when it comes to the POTUS without talking about his broad and unilateral discretion to declassify anything at any time.  He doesn't have to keep declassified documents in a SCIF or any kind of filing cabinet.  He doesn't have to make a list.  It doesn't matter if his aids remember anything, although Kash Patel does remember.  But it doesn't matter if none of his aids remember, because he doesn't have to tell them anything. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 08:58:12 PM
"Those people" as if all liberal people think alike or all conservative people do.  ::)

 ::)
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2022, 09:01:54 PM
If memory serves, the GOP had both houses, spent 57 million investigating Benghazi and she testified for (and I could be wrong about this number) 12 hours.  They came up with nothing.

Actually they conclusively proved that the attack was not related to a youtube video, but was a preplanned terrorist attack, and they knew it at the time they went out and lied to the public.  Remember this lie?



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Post by: Princess L on September 07, 2022, 08:42:06 AM
Actually they conclusively proved that the attack was not related to a youtube video, but was a preplanned terrorist attack, and they knew it at the time they went out and lied to the public.  Remember this lie?



How soon they conveniently forget.   Apparently you tried to post disinformation.
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
How soon they conveniently forget.   Apparently you tried to post disinformation.

Fixed.  I think.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 07, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
You are missing the point.  You cannot talk about classification and de-classification when it comes to the POTUS without talking about his broad and unilateral discretion to declassify anything at any time.  He doesn't have to keep declassified documents in a SCIF or any kind of filing cabinet.  He doesn't have to make a list.  It doesn't matter if his aids remember anything, although Kash Patel does remember.  But it doesn't matter if none of his aids remember, because he doesn't have to tell them anything.

You might want to read the Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.

https://www.congress.gov/93/statute/STATUTE-88/STATUTE-88-Pg1695-2.pdf

Questions and answers about automatic declassification;
https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/declassification/declassification-faq#:~:text=EQUATE%20AUTOMATIC%20DISCLOSURE%3F-,No.,disclosure%20of%20records%20or%20information.

Public Records Act:

"Every president, when they leave office, those records that have been created by the president and his staff are presidential records that go to the National Archives," Baron said. "The owner is the American people."

The PRA thus makes clear that only the United States (and not former President Trump) owns and is authorized to possess and control the presidential documents.

The PRA gives a former president certain rights to access and limit access to the documents in the possession of the United States, but it rules out the possibility of a former president possessing presidential records after his presidential term.

This includes all presidential material, whether it's routine, unclassified notes or top-secret national security documents.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 07, 2022, 05:50:04 PM
You might want to read the Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.

https://www.congress.gov/93/statute/STATUTE-88/STATUTE-88-Pg1695-2.pdf

Questions and answers about automatic declassification;
https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/declassification/declassification-faq#:~:text=EQUATE%20AUTOMATIC%20DISCLOSURE%3F-,No.,disclosure%20of%20records%20or%20information.

Public Records Act:

"Every president, when they leave office, those records that have been created by the president and his staff are presidential records that go to the National Archives," Baron said. "The owner is the American people."

The PRA thus makes clear that only the United States (and not former President Trump) owns and is authorized to possess and control the presidential documents.

The PRA gives a former president certain rights to access and limit access to the documents in the possession of the United States, but it rules out the possibility of a former president possessing presidential records after his presidential term.

This includes all presidential material, whether it's routine, unclassified notes or top-secret national security documents.
In red is what Dos has been saying this whole time, glad your source agrees with him. Looks like another TDS induced witch hunt. ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
In red is what Dos has been saying this whole time, glad your source agrees with him. Looks like another TDS induced witch hunt. ::)

Yep.  Thank you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 07, 2022, 07:57:18 PM
You might want to read the Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.

https://www.congress.gov/93/statute/STATUTE-88/STATUTE-88-Pg1695-2.pdf

Questions and answers about automatic declassification;
https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/declassification/declassification-faq#:~:text=EQUATE%20AUTOMATIC%20DISCLOSURE%3F-,No.,disclosure%20of%20records%20or%20information.

Public Records Act:

"Every president, when they leave office, those records that have been created by the president and his staff are presidential records that go to the National Archives," Baron said. "The owner is the American people."

The PRA thus makes clear that only the United States (and not former President Trump) owns and is authorized to possess and control the presidential documents.

The PRA gives a former president certain rights to access and limit access to the documents in the possession of the United States, but it rules out the possibility of a former president possessing presidential records after his presidential term.

This includes all presidential material, whether it's routine, unclassified notes or top-secret national security documents.


Strange you Manage To Highlight so much
Yet Miss This Part

There is no set procedure for presidential declassification

Mere Oversight Perhaps.   ::)


TDS in Full Flight
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2022, 02:33:44 AM

Strange you Manage To Highlight so much
Yet Miss This Part

There is no set procedure for presidential declassification

Mere Oversight Perhaps.   ::)


TDS in Full Flight
:D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 08, 2022, 03:56:58 AM
You are missing the point.  You cannot talk about classification and de-classification when it comes to the POTUS without talking about his broad and unilateral discretion to declassify anything at any time.  He doesn't have to keep declassified documents in a SCIF or any kind of filing cabinet.  He doesn't have to make a list.  It doesn't matter if his aids remember anything, although Kash Patel does remember.  But it doesn't matter if none of his aids remember, because he doesn't have to tell them anything.

There has to be evidence that the material was declassified.  There. Is. None.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 08, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
There has to be evidence that the material was declassified.  There. Is. None.

The only evidence required is Trump saying he declassified.  He said it. That's evidence.  Nothing else is required.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 08, 2022, 03:41:55 PM
DOJ appeals special master ruling in Trump documents probe
BY REBECCA BEITSCH - 09/08/22
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3634802-doj-appeals-special-master-ruling-in-trump-documents-probe/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 08, 2022, 03:56:10 PM
In red is what Dos has been saying this whole time, glad your source agrees with him. Looks like another TDS induced witch hunt. ::)

Well the Presidential Records Act is a good source of information. One that Attorneys will use to argue their case. Unfortunately, for Trump there are other issues with taking and holding these documents whether classified or not.

Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.


 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 08, 2022, 04:44:45 PM
Well the Presidential Records Act is a good source of information. One that Attorneys will use to argue their case. Unfortunately, for Trump there are other issues with taking and holding these documents whether classified or not.

Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.


 

So when do you think they’ll raid Clinton and Obama’s homes? Better yet, what do you think would be found if they did a legit vetting of the Clinton’s, Obama’s and Biden’s the same way they did with Trump?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 08, 2022, 04:59:39 PM
Well the Presidential Records Act is a good source of information. One that Attorneys will use to argue their case. Unfortunately, for Trump there are other issues with taking and holding these documents whether classified or not.

Presidential Records Act of 1978 which was amended in 2014.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What is the definition of records under the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014?
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably. segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his the President's immediate. staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise. Dec 11, 2014

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?
Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.


 
There's a few big "ifs" that need to be proven in that drivel of a paragraph there.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 08, 2022, 05:29:07 PM
So when do you think they’ll raid Clinton and Obama’s homes? Better yet, what do you think would be found if they did a legit vetting of the Clinton’s, Obama’s and Biden’s the same way they did with Trump?

Unfortunately for Trump, if or when the feds served search warrants and/or did a 'legit vetting' on those three folks 'the same way they did with Trump' regardless of what was found it would not provide Trump a defense or affect his case. I'm a bit surprised you admitted here that the feds did a legitimate vetting of Trump. I imagined you think his was illegitimate.

Do you think a 'but, but they did it too' defense would get very far? I tried that tactic years ago when I was stopped for speeding and I told the Highway Patrol that everyone else was going the same speed as me, I was still ticketed - and I also had to pay the fine.  :)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 08, 2022, 05:40:18 PM
Unfortunately for Trump, if or when the feds served search warrants and/or did a 'legit vetting' on those three folks 'the same way they did with Trump' regardless of what was found it would not provide Trump a defense or affect his case. I'm a bit surprised you admitted here that the feds did a legitimate vetting of Trump. I imagined you think his was illegitimate.

Do you think a 'but, but they did it too' defense would get very far? I tried that tactic years ago when I was stopped for speeding and I told the Highway Patrol that everyone else was going the same speed as me, I was still ticketed - and I also had to pay the fine.  :)

And you actually believe this? Maybe I should replace vetting with investigations
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 08, 2022, 06:29:06 PM
And you actually believe this? Maybe I should replace vetting with investigations

Actually believe what?

I simply answered your question. Replacing the word vetting with investigations changes nothing because they have the same meaning. Vetting is the process of thoroughly investigating something or someone.
 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 08, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
"Vetting" is no more than a word when reason and  proof are lacking in said process.  Trust me on this.  Or...NOT.

Those among us who are little more than an Asstrich will say, "But Scott!  You've got a room temp IQ, what could I possibly learn from you?"  Answer -  The Truth. 

But you really do not need me to show you the way, open your eyes to the truth of their lies.  And therein lies the problem.   Being an Asstrich means you've got your head so far up your own ass you can't see anything but shit.

"But Trump is a meanie!  Waaaaah!"  So then, you prefer indentured servitude to being Energy Independent, taking home more of your hard earned money, having criminals put in jail and kept there because Mr. Trump is "mean"?

Nubainian, puhleeeeeeeeeeze!

I suggest you move to Russia or some islime-ic pigsty.  The former will lock you up and the latter will feed you a constant diet of head-cheese.   

I am correct because what I say is truth and not because it is I saying it.  Move to an islime-ic kuntry. I hope Oak does and that he dies there from semen overload.  Fuckin' liar that he is.

Anyone that disagrees with the truth and prefers this regime over Mr. Trump's presidency is a cuck of the worst order.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gregzs on September 08, 2022, 07:25:34 PM
The only evidence required is Trump saying he declassified.  He said it. That's evidence.  Nothing else is required.

There is more to the process. Declassified docs are stamped to show it.

Former Spy Assesses Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Documents

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 08, 2022, 07:46:04 PM
There is more to the process. Declassified docs are stamped to show it.

Former Spy Assesses Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Documents



No there isn't when it comes to the POTUS.  This "former spy" never once mentioned the president's authority to declassify anything.  That alone discredits him. 

And if he is saying classified markings are always removed, he is lying.  Does not always happen.  He is talking about what typically happens with everyone other than the POTUS. 

The whole cloak and dagger car conversation is a joke. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Marvin Martian on September 09, 2022, 06:50:31 AM
Prime is obsessed with Trump. Prime “hates” him (really he wishes with a desperation that he had Trumps life) - because Trump is a successful man whose kids love him and don’t fear for their kids because of any pedo tendencies. Trump may or may not be a good husband, but as far as I know he hasn’t abandoned his wife to suffer because he didn’t have time to be bored by sitting and comforting her when their were filthy bathroom floors he could kneel on and suck whatever came through the hole in the stall. Trump is a brilliant businessman regardless of what you think of him - not a janitor (although it’s a fact that pedos get turned on by the smell of juvenile toilets)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 09, 2022, 11:14:54 AM
how will anybody else in now and in the future know which documents have been declassified by Mr trump?

Only it's not just Donald is it ?
The same applies to every other President , You seem to of Overlooked
That simple Fact.  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 12:09:20 PM
"Vetting" is no more than a word when reason and  proof are lacking in said process.  Trust me on this.  Or...NOT.

Those among us who are little more than an Asstrich will say, "But Scott!  You've got a room temp IQ, what could I possibly learn from you?"  Answer -  The Truth. 

But you really do not need me to show you the way, open your eyes to the truth of their lies.  And therein lies the problem.   Being an Asstrich means you've got your head so far up your own ass you can't see anything but shit.

"But Trump is a meanie!  Waaaaah!"  So then, you prefer indentured servitude to being Energy Independent, taking home more of your hard earned money, having criminals put in jail and kept there because Mr. Trump is "mean"?

Nubainian, puhleeeeeeeeeeze!

I suggest you move to Russia or some islime-ic pigsty.  The former will lock you up and the latter will feed you a constant diet of head-cheese.   

I am correct because what I say is truth and not because it is I saying it.  Move to an islime-ic kuntry. I hope Oak does and that he dies there from semen overload.  Fuckin' liar that he is.

Anyone that disagrees with the truth and prefers this regime over Mr. Trump's presidency is a cuck of the worst order.

“There is not one truth. There is only what happened, based on how you perceived it.” More than ever, perception is reality. The truth is variable, and in many cases, tends to be different for everyone.

Truth is entirely different; it may include fact, but it can also include belief. Oftentimes, people will accept things as true because they fall closer to their comfort zones, are assimilated easily into their comfort zones, or reflect their preconceived notions of reality.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Only it's not just Donald is it ?
The same applies to every other President , You seem to of Overlooked
That simple Fact.  ::)

Why do you suppose Trump's attorney's have not mentioned Trump's claim that all of the documents were declassified or asserted any claim of executive privilege in their court filing to have a special master review them?

Interesting that a lot of folks posting on Getbig continue to talk/argue about Trump having declassified all the documents prior to removing them from the Whitehouse.

Could it be that it is one thing to lie to the public and quite another to lie in court? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: B_B_C on September 09, 2022, 12:35:39 PM
Only it's not just Donald is it ?
The same applies to every other President , You seem to of Overlooked
That simple Fact.  ::)

you are right - it does apply to every president so the question is even more pertinent and still looks for an answer
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 12:37:35 PM

Strange you Manage To Highlight so much
Yet Miss This Part

There is no set procedure for presidential declassification

Mere Oversight Perhaps.   ::)


TDS in Full Flight

Not an oversight at all. Why would I argue for the other side? Besides, at this point whether the documents are declassified or not does not seem to be the issue. Otherwise, why did his attorneys neglect to mention the documents classification status or executive privilege in their court filings for a special master. Could it be this cannot be proved one way or the other?   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 12:42:18 PM
The only evidence required is Trump saying he declassified.  He said it. That's evidence.  Nothing else is required.

So the fact that his attorneys neglected to mention this to the court, is an oversight. If so, he should hire new attorneys to represent him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 09, 2022, 01:39:07 PM
The only evidence required is Trump saying he declassified.  He said it. That's evidence.  Nothing else is required.

How do you know he said it?  Given the history of habitual lying he has no credibility. 

On that same note he can’t claim he said with no evidence otherwise.  Saying it NOW is a bit late in the game.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 09, 2022, 01:40:42 PM
how will anybody else in now and in the future know which documents have been declassified by Mr trump?

The exact point. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 09, 2022, 01:42:13 PM
So the fact that his attorneys neglected to mention this to the court, is an oversight. If so, he should hire new attorneys to represent him.
:D


He hired one after seeing him on tv.   :D

No one wants a client that lies nonstop, won’t follow advice and has a history of not paying.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
How do you know he said it?  Given the history of habitual lying he has no credibility. 

On that same note he can’t claim he said with no evidence otherwise.  Saying it NOW is a bit late in the game.

He said it. He posted it on Truth Social. However, just as you say, he did this after the fact. My guess is it is not going to make much difference if he declassified them or not. The documents do not belong to him. They are government documents which technically belong to us, although if they are classified or contain top secret information, we will likely never see them, much less be able to have them in our possession. This is what the National Archives and Records Administration is for. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2022, 01:54:21 PM
how will anybody else in now and in the future know which documents have been declassified by Mr trump?

By him telling them what documents he declassified. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2022, 01:55:52 PM
So the fact that his attorneys neglected to mention this to the court, is an oversight. If so, he should hire new attorneys to represent him.

I don't know the context.  What specific filings are you talking about? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 07:18:59 PM
I don't know the context.  What specific filings are you talking about?

I did mention this in an earlier post. But I should have provided the information in this one as well. There may be other court filings involved, but the one I was referring to is the recent one regarding a special master. When something is not said is harder to prove than when something is said. To date, his lawyers have not mounted a defense based on those document classifications, in fact they have yet to mention classification or declassification in any court appearance since the warrant was executed.

Here's an interest tidbit. The absolute ability to classify or declassify documents at will only applies to the sitting President. If he wanted to and it were necessary, Biden could (re)classify all those documents in question. So far that hasn't been an issue because no one thus far has shown proof they were ever declassified.

Whether classified or not, it is the content of the documents, including the security risk involved that will be of most importance. Have you read the law violations invoked in the FBI warrant? 1. Section 793 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code (the Espionage Act) 2.  Section 1519 -Sarbanes-Oxley Act (obstruction of justice).  3. Section 2071, criminalizes the theft or destruction of government documents (note whether classified or declassified the documents seized remain government documents).

Hope this answers your question. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 07:26:09 PM
By him telling them what documents he declassified.

Which I think he did in a general sense when he said he declassified all of them. The problem is that there is no proof of this. Furthermore, their classification is not the primary issue.

When Trump supposedly said 'they're mine', he was wrong. They belong to the U.S. government and not a private citizen who wanted them for reasons unknown.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2022, 07:34:24 PM
I did mention this in an earlier post. But I should have provided the information in this one as well. There may be other court filings involved, but the one I was referring to is the recent one regarding a special master. When something is not said is harder to prove than when something is said. To date, his lawyers have not mounted a defense based on those document classifications, in fact they have yet to mention classification or declassification in any court appearance since the warrant was executed.

Here's an interest tidbit. The absolute ability to classify or declassify documents at will only applies to the sitting President. If he wanted to and it were necessary, Biden could (re)classify all those documents in question. So far that hasn't been an issue because no one thus far has shown proof they were ever declassified.

Whether classified or not, it is the content of the documents, including the security risk involved that will be of most importance. Have you read the law violations invoked in the FBI warrant? 1. Section 793 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code (the Espionage Act) 2.  Section 1519 -Sarbanes-Oxley Act (obstruction of justice).  3. Section 2071, criminalizes the theft or destruction of government documents (note whether classified or declassified the documents seized remain government documents).

Hope this answers your question.

Thanks.  I don't think it matters. 

This entire situation is FUBAR.  This isn't a situation where someone improperly accessed classified information.  Trump obviously had the right to possess whatever he wanted as president.  He had the power to declassify anything.  He maintains a security clearance after leaving office (i.e., he still has one now).  He is provided either a SCIF or needs to have a secure location when possessing documents that are still classified after leaving office.  His home is protected by the secret service.  So what the heck is the problem?

This is absolutely politically motivated.  The guy who started this hates Trump, thought 6 January was the worst day of his life  ::), and wanted to ensure he was replaced by a Democrat:


NARA then explained that upon learning of Clinton’s use of a non-governmental email account in March 2015, it “immediately acted In accordance with our regulations by sending a letter to the State Department, setting off the process described above.” Significantly, while noting that the use of the non-government email may result in a separate DOJ investigation, in the case of Clinton, “NARA has not Initiated an ‘Investigation’ of Secretary Clinton’s email practices; rather, as noted above, we have been communicating with the State Department on this matter, and are deferring to the State Department’s review (and any other agencies conducting Investigations).”

In contrast, in the case of Trump, NARA referred the matter of documents stamped “classified” to the DOJ, which promptly opened an investigation into Trump and used a grand jury to subpoena Trump and others.

Numerous public statements by Ferriero, who at the time of the referral to the DOJ served as the country’s archivist, suggest a partisan goal underlying the referral. First was Ferriero’s bizarre overreaction to “watching the Trumps leaving the White House and getting off in the helicopter” while someone was “carrying a white banker box.” “What the hell’s in that box?,” Ferriero claimed he asked himself.

Then there was Ferriero’s admission that he decided to retire at the end of April 2022 “because he is worried about the political future.” “It’s important to me, that this administration replace me,” Ferriero said, adding, “I’m concerned about what’s going to happen in 2024. I don’t want it left to … the unknowns of the presidential election.”

That’s quite a strange statement for an archivist to make, suggesting as it does that politics matter in the performance of his role.

Third, Ferriero’s comments during a post-retirement interview discussing Jan. 6, suggest he holds an anti-Trump bias. “On his office television, David S. Ferriero, the archivist of the United States, had watched outgoing President Donald Trump whip up the right-wing crowd near the White House,” the Post reported. Ferriero said he recalled watching “this angry mob … really angry, angry people” and thinking to himself, “if these people realize what’s in this building they’re passing, we’re at risk here.” The former archivist called January 6, 2021, “the worst day of his tenure as the keeper of the nation’s collective memory,” and “the worst day of my life” — “the absolute worst.”

It is not merely NARA’s referral to the DOJ and Ferriero’s apparent bias that suggests a political motive, however: It is the reality that even if the documents were classified, Trump has the right to access them and NARA could have worked with the former president to set up a secure location for his presidential papers, which is precisely what Ferriero and the NARA did with Barack Obama.

. . . .

Records Suggest A Backbench Bureaucrat’s Partisan Grievance Spurred The FBI’s Nakedly Political Raid On Trump
BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND
AUGUST 15, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2022, 07:37:14 PM
Which I think he did in a general sense when he said he declassified all of them. The problem is that there is no proof of this. Furthermore, their classification is not the primary issue.

When Trump supposedly said 'they're mine', he was wrong. They belong to the U.S. government and not a private citizen who wanted them for reasons unknown.

He doesn't need proof other than his own statements.

He disputes whether the documents belong to him or the government.  Regardless, you don't send 30 FBI agents to raid the private residence of a former president over this, including taking Melanie's clothes, Trump's passports, and reportedly searching Barron's room.  Any liberty-loving American should be appalled and frightened by this incredible abuse of power. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 09, 2022, 08:06:00 PM
Thanks.  I don't think it matters. 

This entire situation is FUBAR.  This isn't a situation where someone improperly accessed classified information.  Trump obviously had the right to possess whatever he wanted as president.  He had the power to declassify anything.  He maintains a security clearance after leaving office (i.e., he still has one now).  He is provided either a SCIF or needs to have a secure location when possessing documents that are still classified after leaving office.  His home is protected by the secret service.  So what the heck is the problem?

This is absolutely politically motivated.  The guy who started this hates Trump, thought 6 January was the worst day of his life  ::), and wanted to ensure he was replaced by a Democrat:


NARA then explained that upon learning of Clinton’s use of a non-governmental email account in March 2015, it “immediately acted In accordance with our regulations by sending a letter to the State Department, setting off the process described above.” Significantly, while noting that the use of the non-government email may result in a separate DOJ investigation, in the case of Clinton, “NARA has not Initiated an ‘Investigation’ of Secretary Clinton’s email practices; rather, as noted above, we have been communicating with the State Department on this matter, and are deferring to the State Department’s review (and any other agencies conducting Investigations).”

In contrast, in the case of Trump, NARA referred the matter of documents stamped “classified” to the DOJ, which promptly opened an investigation into Trump and used a grand jury to subpoena Trump and others.

Numerous public statements by Ferriero, who at the time of the referral to the DOJ served as the country’s archivist, suggest a partisan goal underlying the referral. First was Ferriero’s bizarre overreaction to “watching the Trumps leaving the White House and getting off in the helicopter” while someone was “carrying a white banker box.” “What the hell’s in that box?,” Ferriero claimed he asked himself.

Then there was Ferriero’s admission that he decided to retire at the end of April 2022 “because he is worried about the political future.” “It’s important to me, that this administration replace me,” Ferriero said, adding, “I’m concerned about what’s going to happen in 2024. I don’t want it left to … the unknowns of the presidential election.”

That’s quite a strange statement for an archivist to make, suggesting as it does that politics matter in the performance of his role.

Third, Ferriero’s comments during a post-retirement interview discussing Jan. 6, suggest he holds an anti-Trump bias. “On his office television, David S. Ferriero, the archivist of the United States, had watched outgoing President Donald Trump whip up the right-wing crowd near the White House,” the Post reported. Ferriero said he recalled watching “this angry mob … really angry, angry people” and thinking to himself, “if these people realize what’s in this building they’re passing, we’re at risk here.” The former archivist called January 6, 2021, “the worst day of his tenure as the keeper of the nation’s collective memory,” and “the worst day of my life” — “the absolute worst.”

It is not merely NARA’s referral to the DOJ and Ferriero’s apparent bias that suggests a political motive, however: It is the reality that even if the documents were classified, Trump has the right to access them and NARA could have worked with the former president to set up a secure location for his presidential papers, which is precisely what Ferriero and the NARA did with Barack Obama.

. . . .

Records Suggest A Backbench Bureaucrat’s Partisan Grievance Spurred The FBI’s Nakedly Political Raid On Trump
BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND
AUGUST 15, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/

Whether Trump was entitled to remove those documents from the Whitehouse and store them at the Mar-a-lago private club remains to be seen.

Mar-a-lago membership is open to folks willing to pay a $200,000 fee to join plus $14,000 a year in dues. I could find nothing that suggests they need government security clearances or be citizens of the U.S. Most of the staff has been and continues to be foreigners. Business must be booming because Mar-a-Lago was looking to bring on 91 temporary foreign workers in 2022.

The secret service or their designees are there to protect Trump and his family. I doubt maintaining high level security for government documents is in part of their job description. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on September 09, 2022, 08:19:36 PM
Whether Trump was entitled to remove those documents from the Whitehouse and store them at the Mar-a-lago private club remains to be seen.

Mar-a-lago membership is open to folks willing to pay a $200,000 fee to join plus $14,000 a year in dues. I could find nothing that suggests they need government security clearances or be citizens of the U.S. Most of the staff has been and continues to be foreigners. Business must be booming because Mar-a-Lago was looking to bring on 91 temporary foreign workers in 2022.

The secret service or their designees are there to protect Trump and his family. I doubt maintaining high level security for government documents is in part of their job description.

Hillary was forbidden by Federal law to have that server in her closet (along with a few other things and people) and yet nothing happened to her.  The so-called "playing field" is not "level" but it needs to be leveled.

I am NOT a plowhorse for these swine.  The status quo hates Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us, an American first.  Do NOT be an Asstrich!  If you or any here possess even a modicum of common sense, it is there for all to see.   And never forget (despite the MSM not speaking about it very much)  four officers have "committed suicide" for the lies of these pigs. 

Just because there was no camera to not catch it does not mean they took their own lives.     Utter bullshit. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 09, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
The following scenario is for entertainment purposes only.

A garden variety Hebrew walks into his/her local 7-eleven.  Innocently steals two 40 ouncers of Colt 45 and heads back to his/her co-op.  A few minutes later there is a wrap on the door.  He answers it only to find it's a couple of local police officers.  They say we were told you stole two 40 ouncers of Old English 800.  The Hebrew politely corrects them and says no sirs, it was Colt 45 and I paid for them.  At this point the investigation is over and the officers respond "We apologize for disturbing you.  Enjoy your malt liquor and have a great night." 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 12:52:13 AM
Hillary was forbidden by Federal law to have that server in her closet (along with a few other things and people) and yet nothing happened to her.  The so-called "playing field" is not "level" but it needs to be leveled.

I am NOT a plowhorse for these swine.  The status quo hates Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us, an American first.  Do NOT be an Asstrich!  If you or any here possess even a modicum of common sense, it is there for all to see.   And never forget (despite the MSM not speaking about it very much)  four officers have "committed suicide" for the lies of these pigs. 

Just because there was no camera to not catch it does not mean they took their own lives.     Utter bullshit.

How is Trump "one of us"? How is he like you? How is he anything like the average working person? How is he like any middleclass American? He my talk like some of us; after all this is what grifters do.

The status quo are the people, most of us anyway.

How does Hillary doing something wrong or illegal have anything to do with Trump's actions? Oh yeah, because she got away with it. Well so has Trump up until now and who knows how this will turn out. He may literally have to do what he said he could in 2016 and shoot someone dead in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters, but he might get arrested and charged. LOL! 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 05:53:11 AM
How is Trump "one of us"? How is he like you? How is he anything like the average working person? How is he like any middleclass American? He my talk like some of us; after all this is what grifters do.

The status quo are the people, most of us anyway.

How does Hillary doing something wrong or illegal have anything to do with Trump's actions? Oh yeah, because she got away with it. Well so has Trump up until now and who knows how this will turn out. He may literally have to do what he said he could in 2016 and shoot someone dead in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters, but he might get arrested and charged. LOL!

One need not be "poor" or "middle class" to be an American.  An American that loves our Nation.  I have met more than a few folk (John's friends) who have met with Mr. Trump and they have told me they found no deceit in him.  Some also have met Hillary and Hillary on the left hand, or as it was known during the Renaissance, "the hand of the devil", is full of shit.  I trust these men and women.  I look them in the eye and see the soul of the Founding Fathers in their love for our Nation.

There is without question deceit in our government, in our law ENFARCEMENT, in our milifairy and more.  As I said, I refuse to be a plowhorse.  This was a reference to Orwell's "Animal Farm".  Hillary's actions go unpunished because she is a part, a MAJOR part of the problem.  Mr. Trump has been proven over and over to be guiltless and still these scum go after him like relentless Hellhounds.

It is jokingly said that if you throw an attorney in waters filled with sharks, they will accord him passage due to brofessional courtesy.  One of John's friends laughed and told me that was true, unless there was a least one Great White.  This was in reference to the left's outright HATRED of white Americans for the skin color alone but especially so if they were also Conservative. He said the Great White was used because of libs HATRED of "whitey" but they also loathed any and all Conservatives and would call black Conservatives "Uncle Toms" and under Trumps administration they called them "WHN". 

I trust those men and women far more than I do words written here with intent to disparage the finest President of these United States in my lifetime.  Allow me...

Libs SELLEBRATE divershitty over all else.  Qualifications are lowered or tossed aside to make room for mediocrity in the name of "fairness".   Libs SELLEBRATE that which make us, in their soulless eyes, "different".  Libs HATE America and call it "racist".  They are Nazis.  It is easier to conquer a nation divided  and division is what they are "teaching".

Conservatives celebrate that which we share.  We are first and foremost, AMERICANS.  We have far more in common than that which differentiates us.  A Nation United cannot, will NOT be conquered.  These Demoncrat Nazis must not prevail for if they do, you can bet that the elderly, the handicapped, the for whatever reason "undesirable and unwanted" will be turned into plowhorses until they are worn down and plowed under.    Many here have no idea what these foul creatures called Democrats and RINOs are truly like once they get a taste of power.  And like a dog, they will return to their vomit for more.

Do not believe my words?  More's the pity.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 08:47:33 AM
He doesn't need proof other than his own statements.

He disputes whether the documents belong to him or the government.  Regardless, you don't send 30 FBI agents to raid the private residence of a former president over this, including taking Melanie's clothes, Trump's passports, and reportedly searching Barron's room.  Any liberty-loving American should be appalled and frightened by this incredible abuse of power.

Whether Trump needs proof beyond his own statements remains be decided by the legal system, not by his base.

Of course, he disputes that. His version of what happens is rarely consistent with what history tells us happens. He is at odds with anything which doesn't go his way.

It seems odd but whatever dress the First Lady wears to the inauguration is traditionally donated to the Smithsonian. A First Lady can wear a gifted or donated designer item if it's officially made government property and given to the National Archives after its wear for historical preservation. The Constitution (Article I, Section 9) prohibits anyone in the US Government from receiving a personal gift from a foreign head of state without the consent of Congress. The Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966 and further legislation passed in 1977 allow gifts to be retained if they meet certain requirements. Foreign official gifts over this “minimal value” are considered gifts to the people of the United States, which the recipient must purchase from GSA, at fair market value, to retain them. I have no idea what the minimal value of her items of clothing are, but she has expensive taste. One skirt she wore to an occasion cost almost $10,000.

I think the main complaint the Trumps have is that Melanie's closets were riffled through by the FBI in the search. Supposedly she's disposed of those clothes and is in the process of replacing them. Considering what she's believed to spend on clothes, that could run into the millions. If it's her or Donald's money it should be no one's concern what she spends now that she is a private citizen. Personally, I have never witnessed or been involved in an FBI or other law agency raid so I don't know if they are as portrayed in the media, which seems brutal.

Barron is a minor so the FBI searching his room seems wrong. But who is to say there wouldn't be government documents stashed there?

As I mentioned, I believe 'raids' or the execution of search warrants can be overzealous and most definitely disruptive and unpleasant. Unless the security cameras were turned off or the contents destroyed, there should be a visual record of the conduct of the FBI at Mar-a-lago. It would be interesting to see exactly what went on that day. Unfortunately, it might be considered an invasion of privacy if someone other than the Trumps were to make them public.

In fairness, the Trumps wouldn't be the only folks to take items which did not belong to them when they vacated the Whitehouse. The Clintons returned more than $28,000 worth of items, which, they said, they thought were personal gifts given to them and not to the White House. Supposedly they received a total of almost $200,000 in gifts. Whether that is true or not, who knows.

Nancy Reagan was another First Lady with expensive taste for which she was at time criticized. Like other Presidents' wives, Mrs. Reagan donated her inaugural ball gown to the Smithsonian Institution.

Jackie Kennedy was another First Lady with expensive designer tastes. If I remember correctly, she was called out by some for 'restoring’ the Whitehouse interior design at great expense to taxpayers. Her inaugural gown is also in the Smithsonian.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 09:14:58 AM
One need not be "poor" or "middle class" to be an American.  An American that loves our Nation.  I have met more than a few folk (John's friends) who have met with Mr. Trump and they have told me they found no deceit in him.  Some also have met Hillary and Hillary on the left hand, or as it was known during the Renaissance, "the hand of the devil", is full of shit.  I trust these men and women.  I look them in the eye and see the soul of the Founding Fathers in their love for our Nation.

There is without question deceit in our government, in our law ENFARCEMENT, in our milifairy and more.  As I said, I refuse to be a plowhorse.  This was a reference to Orwell's "Animal Farm".  Hillary's actions go unpunished because she is a part, a MAJOR part of the problem.  Mr. Trump has been proven over and over to be guiltless and still these scum go after him like relentless Hellhounds.

It is jokingly said that if you throw an attorney in waters filled with sharks, they will accord him passage due to brofessional courtesy.  One of John's friends laughed and told me that was true, unless there was a least one Great White.  This was in reference to the left's outright HATRED of white Americans for the skin color alone but especially so if they were also Conservative. He said the Great White was used because of libs HATRED of "whitey" but they also loathed any and all Conservatives and would call black Conservatives "Uncle Toms" and under Trumps administration they called them "WHN". 

I trust those men and women far more than I do words written here with intent to disparage the finest President of these United States in my lifetime.  Allow me...

Libs SELLEBRATE divershitty over all else.  Qualifications are lowered or tossed aside to make room for mediocrity in the name of "fairness".   Libs SELLEBRATE that which make us, in their soulless eyes, "different".  Libs HATE America and call it "racist".  They are Nazis.  It is easier to conquer a nation divided  and division is what they are "teaching".

Conservatives celebrate that which we share.  We are first and foremost, AMERICANS.  We have far more in common than that which differentiates us.  A Nation United cannot, will NOT be conquered.  These Demoncrat Nazis must not prevail for if they do, you can bet that the elderly, the handicapped, the for whatever reason "undesirable and unwanted" will be turned into plowhorses until they are worn down and plowed under.    Many here have no idea what these foul creatures called Democrats and RINOs are truly like once they get a taste of power.  And like a dog, they will return to their vomit for more.

Do not believe my words?  More's the pity.

You are right, one does not need to be poor or middle class to be an American. However, a majority of the people in the U.S. consider themselves as middle class. Did you not say this? "...Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us." If “us” does not mean the majority what does it mean and who are these people?

You have every right to believe what you do, just as I have that right to believe what I do.

Would you explain to me what you think Trump has done to show that he 'loves America'. Saying something is not the same as doing it.       
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 10, 2022, 11:16:14 AM
Why do you suppose Trump's attorney's have not mentioned Trump's claim that all of the documents were declassified or asserted any claim of executive privilege in their court filing to have a special master review them?

Interesting that a lot of folks posting on Getbig continue to talk/argue about Trump having declassified all the documents prior to removing them from the Whitehouse.

Could it be that it is one thing to lie to the public and quite another to lie in court?

You Completely avoided answering my Question  ::)

Just typing Crap for the sake of it - as You yet again are Stumped by a fact.

Same rules Apply To Donald as any other President - If His word is enough Then Their word is Enough. 
Simple Enough isnt it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 02:37:17 PM
You Completely avoided answering my Question  ::)

Just typing Crap for the sake of it - as You yet again are Stumped by a fact.

Same rules Apply To Donald as any other President - If His word is enough Then Their word is Enough. 
Simple Enough isnt it.

How about this, if the same rules apply and his word isn't enough then their word isn't either.

Here's an idea, you don't ask me questions and I won't bother you with responses you don't like.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 10, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
How about this, if the same rules apply and his word isn't enough then their word isn't either.

Here's an idea, you don't ask me questions and I won't bother you with responses you don't like.


How about this, if the same rules apply and his word isn't enough then their word isn't either.

That's all you needed to say in your 1st answe & Not that Matt C wall of Text.
If it's good enough for Donald it's Good enough for presidents
And if it isn't Good enough for Donald then all other Presidents should be Raided also.

Simple works the same for all.


And here's an Idea for You ... Try being Concise when answering & not doing all you can
To avoid giving a Straight direct answer - As I Many others have pointed out You have a
Great deal of Difficulty Doing That. It's always some Liberal Leftist Waffle . FFS . 🤷🏼‍♂️🙄
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 03:08:32 PM
You are right, one does not need to be poor or middle class to be an American. However, a majority of the people in the U.S. consider themselves as middle class. Did you not say this? "...Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us." If “us” does not mean the majority what does it mean and who are these people?

You have every right to believe what you do, just as I have that right to believe what I do.

Would you explain to me what you think Trump has done to show that he 'loves America'. Saying something is not the same as doing it.       

Did you not watch any of Trump's and Biden's rallies?  Americans that love America love Mr. Trump.  Thousands turn up to listen to him speak for our Nation.   I think Biden had ten idiots show up in one state...

Are we to understand that you enjoy having a demented shitbag and thief and his drug addict son in the White House?  The price of goods and services have skyrocketed but crime has gone to the Moon.  Are we to understand that you think crime is non-existent and inflation is not a problem?

Are we to understand that you think being energy independent is bad for our Nation?  California took away Nuclear power stations and declares war of a sort on the ICE.  Then when the weather gets hot tells us we can't use electricity because it puts a strain on the system.

Biden is a thief as is his son.  The man looks lost but he's never alone because he's got his imaginery friends with him.  You know, the invisible sort he's forever trying to shake hands with.  The man looks like a pedo.  What kind of man talks about kids stroking his leg hairs in the pool?  Are we to understand you don't think that is not only weird but disgusting?

Are we to understand you think that high unemployment is great for out Nation?  That paying more than double for fuel is fine for our Nation.  That the Vice President is, the President aside, is the dumbest, most retarded person in the world of politics?  Have you listened to that peter-principal VP "speak"?  Are we to understand that you think there are dozens of genders and that it is fine to mutilate children, murder (albeit forced labor) newborns by getting them out of the womb and setting them on the burger warmer?  I could go on but you are either for out Nation and her citizens or against US and for the shitizens?

I am correct again. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: illuminati on September 10, 2022, 03:49:59 PM
Did you not watch any of Trump's and Biden's rallies?  Americans that love America love Mr. Trump.  Thousands turn up to listen to him speak for our Nation.   I think Biden had ten idiots show up in one state...

Are we to understand that you enjoy having a demented shitbag and thief and his drug addict son in the White House?  The price of goods and services have skyrocketed but crime has gone to the Moon.  Are we to understand that you think crime is non-existent and inflation is not a problem?

Are we to understand that you think being energy independent is bad for our Nation?  California took away Nuclear power stations and declares war of a sort on the ICE.  Then when the weather gets hot tells us we can't use electricity because it puts a strain on the system.

Biden is a thief as is his son.  The man looks lost but he's never alone because he's got his imaginery friends with him.  You know, the invisible sort he's forever trying to shake hands with.  The man looks like a pedo.  What kind of man talks about kids stroking his leg hairs in the pool?  Are we to understand you don't think that is not only weird but disgusting?

Are we to understand you think that high unemployment is great for out Nation?  That paying more than double for fuel is fine for our Nation.  That the Vice President is, the President aside, is the dumbest, most retarded person in the world of politics?  Have you listened to that peter-principal VP "speak"?  Are we to understand that you think there are dozens of genders and that it is fine to mutilate children, murder (albeit forced labor) newborns by getting them out of the womb and setting them on the burger warmer?  I could go on but you are either for out Nation and her citizens or against US and for the shitizens?

I am correct again.


Scott,
As You well Know Prime won't answer any of them questions with Straight Yes or No answers
He'll try convoluted Waffle to bypass ignore them all .

Unless he can Simply State NO to each question
Then He's Most Definitely For all of it.

It's Not Remotely Difficult to State a Simple NO to all those questions.
Let's....... wait & see if I'm right or he Proves me Wrong with simple Yes / No answers .
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 04:25:39 PM
Did you not watch any of Trump's and Biden's rallies?  Americans that love America love Mr. Trump.  Thousands turn up to listen to him speak for our Nation.   I think Biden had ten idiots show up in one state...

Are we to understand that you enjoy having a demented shitbag and thief and his drug addict son in the White House?  The price of goods and services have skyrocketed but crime has gone to the Moon.  Are we to understand that you think crime is non-existent and inflation is not a problem?

Are we to understand that you think being energy independent is bad for our Nation?  California took away Nuclear power stations and declares war of a sort on the ICE.  Then when the weather gets hot tells us we can't use electricity because it puts a strain on the system.

Biden is a thief as is his son.  The man looks lost but he's never alone because he's got his imaginery friends with him.  You know, the invisible sort he's forever trying to shake hands with.  The man looks like a pedo.  What kind of man talks about kids stroking his leg hairs in the pool?  Are we to understand you don't think that is not only weird but disgusting?

Are we to understand you think that high unemployment is great for out Nation?  That paying more than double for fuel is fine for our Nation.  That the Vice President is, the President aside, is the dumbest, most retarded person in the world of politics?  Have you listened to that peter-principal VP "speak"?  Are we to understand that you think there are dozens of genders and that it is fine to mutilate children, murder (albeit forced labor) newborns by getting them out of the womb and setting them on the burger warmer?  I could go on but you are either for out Nation and her citizens or against US and for the shitizens?

I am correct again.

In case you forgot, this conversation is about whether "The status quo hates Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us, an American first."

We were talking about Trump being for the people. You bring Biden into the conversation. What has Biden to do with Trump being for the people?

Crime rates in 2020 and 2021 are up as is inflation. What does that have to do with Trump being for the people?

Whether Biden is a "shitbag" and his son Hunter is a thief and a drug addict and whether I enjoy having Biden in the Whitehouse is irrelevant. As best as I know, Hunter isn't in the Whitehouse. More importantly, I have never said this. So, where are you getting this notion?

Did I ever say high unemployment and paying double for fuel, is good for our nation? Or that being energy independent is bad for the nation? I did not. I am not going to respond to things I never said and that have nothing to do with a conversation that was about Trump.

The next paragraph in your post is you rambling on about what you personally think about these people. You are entitled to believe whatever you choose. Your beliefs have nothing to do with the original post about Trump and my response to that post.

Now you have digressed even further with comments about the Vice President, gender issues, mutilating children, and murdering babies.

Either I am for or against the U.S. and its citizens? Come on. As if everything is black or white. ::) You've gone so far out in left field here that it is almost difficult to remember the conversation was about Trump being for the people and one of them.

But hey, apparently, my post inspired you to air all your grievances and assumptions. Hope you enjoyed doing this.

You can thank me later for giving you the opportunity to get up on your soap box today. Do you feel better now that you got all this off your chest?     
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 10, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
He said it. He posted it on Truth Social. However, just as you say, he did this after the fact. My guess is it is not going to make much difference if he declassified them or not. The documents do not belong to him. They are government documents which technically belong to us, although if they are classified or contain top secret information, we will likely never see them, much less be able to have them in our possession. This is what the National Archives and Records Administration is for.

EXACTLY!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 06:09:04 PM
In case you forgot, this conversation is about whether "The status quo hates Mr. Trump because he is for the people. He is one of us, an American first."

We were talking about Trump being for the people. You bring Biden into the conversation. What has Biden to do with Trump being for the people?

Crime rates in 2020 and 2021 are up as is inflation. What does that have to do with Trump being for the people?

Whether Biden is a "shitbag" and his son Hunter is a thief and a drug addict and whether I enjoy having Biden in the Whitehouse is irrelevant. As best as I know, Hunter isn't in the Whitehouse. More importantly, I have never said this. So, where are you getting this notion?

Did I ever say high unemployment and paying double for fuel, is good for our nation? Or that being energy independent is bad for the nation? I did not. I am not going to respond to things I never said and that have nothing to do with a conversation that was about Trump.

The next paragraph in your post is you rambling on about what you personally think about these people. You are entitled to believe whatever you choose. Your beliefs have nothing to do with the original post about Trump and my response to that post.

Now you have digressed even further with comments about the Vice President, gender issues, mutilating children, and murdering babies.

Either I am for or against the U.S. and its citizens? Come on. As if everything is black or white. ::) You've gone so far out in left field here that it is almost difficult to remember the conversation was about Trump being for the people and one of them.

But hey, apparently, my post inspired you to air all your grievances and assumptions. Hope you enjoyed doing this.

You can thank me later for giving you the opportunity to get up on your soap box today. Do you feel better now that you got all this off your chest?   

"Sigh"...You sir, remind me of my aunties.  You dislike Mr. Trump because he is a "meanie" and you care not for the ineffective and dangerous policies of Mr. Biden's administration .  I told you several reasons for why I think Mr. Trump is for Americans and you have chosen to ignore them.  They are very good examples.

Do not think to treat with me as you would an idiot. I am slow on a great many things but John's friends, whom I mentioned have explained much to me and they are in D.C.  They are not like you and I nor anyone else here.   

I also gave points on the idiocy of the Biden House of Non-Color.  The Veep is a fucktard and even I could out debate that prime example of the peter prinicple moron.  You are a nice enough gentlemen, but again do NOT make the error of treating with me as an idiot.

I am a MAGA Man.  Not ashamed to be be an American First.  I am behind our allies such as Great Britain, Australia and more.  Just as Mr. Trump is, I too am American.  He is a multi-millionaire or better.  Me?  Not even close. But I do not mind.  He is more a man of and for the people of our Nation than anyone in decades.   You just do not like him and for all intents and purposes it appears for the silliest, most childish "reasons".

Fine.  I do not care for Mr. Biden and that simpleton of a Vice President of  his.  They and all who support them are without honor.  You know whereof I speak and still you play a poorly planed game of words? 

I am not here to change anyone's mind.   Again, I have heard  from  many of John's friends and I trust them for there is no deceit in men and women of such quality.  They are proud to be Americans.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 06:14:51 PM

Scott,
As You well Know Prime won't answer any of them questions with Straight Yes or No answers
He'll try convoluted Waffle to bypass ignore them all .

Unless he can Simply State NO to each question
Then He's Most Definitely For all of it.

It's Not Remotely Difficult to State a Simple NO to all those questions.
Let's....... wait & see if I'm right or he Proves me Wrong with simple Yes / No answers .

I know.  I have hope but it is most likely hopeless.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: illuminati on September 10, 2022, 07:01:39 PM
I know.  I have hope but it is most likely hopeless.

HE Didn't & Just waffled on & on  ::)
Simple Yes/ No answers aren't within his Grasp.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 07:10:55 PM
HE Didn't & Just waffled on & on  ::)
Simple Yes/ No answers aren't within his Grasp.

Yes, as I said to him he reminds of my aunties who say the don't like  Mr. Trump and the ONLY reason given is he is "mean".  At the least that line of reasoning is anything but reasonable.  It is childish and rooted in the world of woke bullshit.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: illuminati on September 10, 2022, 07:24:05 PM
Yes, as I said to him he reminds of my aunties who say the don't like  Mr. Trump and the ONLY reason given is he is "mean".  At the least that line of reasoning is anything but reasonable.  It is childish and rooted in the world of woke bullshit.


So true - Very strange how the Libturd infected Mind works
Ignore / Don't answer all that is Truth or Requires a Yes No answer.

I like that he doesn't like Biden bought into it  ::) FFS He like so Many Libturds
Are always so quick to Bring Doanald into it - Usually is - Orange Man Bad - He's A Meanie 🙄
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Primemuscle on September 10, 2022, 07:47:15 PM
"Sigh"...You sir, remind me of my aunties.  You dislike Mr. Trump because he is a "meanie" and you care not for the ineffective and dangerous policies of Mr. Biden's administration .  I told you several reasons for why I think Mr. Trump is for Americans and you have chosen to ignore them.  They are very good examples.

Do not think to treat with me as you would an idiot. I am slow on a great many things but John's friends, whom I mentioned have explained much to me and they are in D.C.  They are not like you and I nor anyone else here.   

I also gave points on the idiocy of the Biden House of Non-Color.  The Veep is a fucktard and even I could out debate that prime example of the peter prinicple moron.  You are a nice enough gentlemen, but again do NOT make the error of treating with me as an idiot. 

I am a MAGA Man.  Not ashamed to be be an American First.  I am behind our allies such as Great Britain, Australia and more.  Just as Mr. Trump is, I too am American.  He is a multi-millionaire or better.  Me?  Not even close. But I do not mind.  He is more a man of and for the people of our Nation than anyone in decades.   You just do not like him and for all intents and purposes it appears for the silliest, most childish "reasons".

Fine.  I do not care for Mr. Biden and that simpleton of a Vice President of  his.  They and all who support them are without honor.  You know whereof I speak and still you play a poorly planed game of words? 

I am not here to change anyone's mind.   Again, I have heard  from  many of John's friends and I trust them for there is no deceit in men and women of such quality.  They are proud to be Americans.

Scott, it was not my intention to offend you or make you angry. We simply don't agree on some issues. That is the way the world works. People don't always agree, nor should they. Absolute agreement leads to complacency, which is not a good thing, IMO.

If what I wrote seemed like a game of words, that wasn't what I'd hoped. You and I were having a conversation about one subject, that being Trump's being for the people and his love of and devotion to the U.S. and you used that very basic conversation to air a heck of a lot of stuff that disgruntles you but has almost nothing to do with what we were talking about. I wasn't and still am not sure whether this was what you meant to do or if it just spilled out like a river from a failed dam of discontent.

Not sure how many times I have to say this before it sinks in, but I'll give it another try. I dislike Trump and always have. So far, he's done nothing to change my mind. It has nothing to do with his being a "meanie" which he sometimes is. Or because he's a millionaire billionaire. Not sure if reminding you of your aunties is a good thing since I don't know them.

I never thought of or treated you like a idiot. You do a pretty good job of this yourself. I happen to disagree with you. You are a very clever person with an interesting and entertaining writing style.

Maybe I should know this, but who is John? Who are his friends?

Everything boils down to perspective. Not sure what you think are the reasons I don't like Trump. If you think they are silly and childish, that's up to you. I don't need to justify them to you or anyone else.

Yes, you certainly did give points and plenty of them. Not all of which I agree with. Clearly you and I see many things differently and as I said that's okay.

I also not ashamed of being an American.


MAGA - Make America Great Again. IMO, America is great!
         

   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: The Scott on September 10, 2022, 09:12:06 PM
Scott, it was not my intention to offend you or make you angry. We simply don't agree on some issues. That is the way the world works. People don't always agree, nor should they. Absolute agreement leads to complacency, which is not a good thing, IMO.

If what I wrote seemed like a game of words, that wasn't what I'd hoped. You and I were having a conversation about one subject, that being Trump's being for the people and his love of and devotion to the U.S. and you used that very basic conversation to air a heck of a lot of stuff that disgruntles you but has almost nothing to do with what we were talking about. I wasn't and still am not sure whether this was what you meant to do or if it just spilled out like a river from a failed dam of discontent.

Not sure how many times I have to say this before it sinks in, but I'll give it another try. I dislike Trump and always have. So far, he's done nothing to change my mind. It has nothing to do with his being a "meanie" which he sometimes is. Or because he's a millionaire billionaire. Not sure if reminding you of your aunties is a good thing since I don't know them.

I never thought of or treated you like a idiot. You do a pretty good job of this yourself. I happen to disagree with you. You are a very clever person with an interesting and entertaining writing style.

Maybe I should know this, but who is John? Who are his friends?

Everything boils down to perspective. Not sure what you think are the reasons I don't like Trump. If you think they are silly and childish, that's up to you. I don't need to justify them to you or anyone else.

Yes, you certainly did give points and plenty of them. Not all of which I agree with. Clearly you and I see many things differently and as I said that's okay.

I also not ashamed of being an American.


MAGA - Make America Great Again. IMO, America is great!
         

 

Worry not, my friend.  I tend to get frustrated with my inability to speak what is left of my mine.  I wrote something to bhank the other night and the next day I deleted it as I was having difficulty wording my thoughts and there were too many errors and it makes me look stupid.  My family will help me when my brain gets foggy but they were at church so I should have waited.

I also think that my recent lack of oxygen for over six minutes has taken a greater tole on my already feeble brain.  It is at once, frustrating and embarrassing.

My aunties (on the Jewish side) have often told me since I was little that they hate me but also love me.  They hated me for my very Germanic appearance but  loved me as their nephew.  Now they hate me for my Conservatism and still love me as a part of their family.  I think I mentioned it but one of them even told me when I was in the hospital for hte heart stuf that she would pray to the Nazarene for me.  I love all of them.

What I'm trying to say is, do not worry that you will offend me.  Those whom I love do  worse and have for over decades.  For the most part this forum is an arena of not only ideas but to some extent of hope for the better for all.  This is not the Colosseum of Rome and despite Matt's craziest intentions neither is it a circle jerque silliness.  Sorry Matt, I could not resist but you are a good young man all the same with an excellent sense of humor. 

Besides all that, Matt's wordiness makes me look almost "normal".



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2022, 06:25:11 AM
Trumpy still claims FBI planted evidence even though his lawyers do not pursue that claim. 

Meanwhile evidence of his declassification has been found.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 11, 2022, 08:48:27 AM
Trumpy still claims FBI planted evidence even though his lawyers do not pursue that claim. 

Meanwhile evidence of his declassification has been found.
That works, Presidential discretion, right?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 11, 2022, 12:35:45 PM
Trumpy still claims FBI planted evidence even though his lawyers do not pursue that claim. 

Meanwhile evidence of his declassification has been found.

Trump can claim anything he wants, whether it is true or a lie without legal repercussions, except when he is under oath to tell the truth. Recently when took an oath to tell the truth, rather than do that, he took the 5th 400 times. He is not dumb.

His lawyers are bound by law to tell the truth in court because lying to a judge or jury will cause them much grief. At the least, they could be disbarred. This explains why they haven't claimed some of the things Trump has.

I had not heard evidence of declassification was found. If true, this is very interesting. I found nothing confirming this. Did you mean to post that meanwhile they have not found evidence of declassification?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2022, 06:24:59 PM
That works, Presidential discretion, right?

Don't worry, the attorneys will build a defense on this claim.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 11, 2022, 11:08:13 PM
Yes, as I said to him he reminds of my aunties who say the don't like  Mr. Trump and the ONLY reason given is he is "mean".  At the least that line of reasoning is anything but reasonable.  It is childish and rooted in the world of woke bullshit.

The truth is not Lurker or Prime can’t say why they don’t like except for what they’re told and mimic by their MSM but both said Biden is doing a great job. What does that tell you?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2022, 12:36:08 AM
The truth is not Lurker or Prime can’t say why they don’t like except for what they’re told and mimic by their MSM but both said Biden is doing a great job. What does that tell you?

It tells me that you ignore what we say regarding Trump because it doesn't fit your agenda. Find where I said Biden is doing a great job and post it on Getbig. I have stated that I agree with some of Biden's policies. I have never said he is doing a great job, not because he isn't but because it is too soon for me to know this.

I do not need to explain why I don't like Trump to you or anyone else. I have repeatedly said that I never liked him. I think he is a jerk, a grifter and basically an ass. I always have... long before he ran for office and  moved into the Whitehouse.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2022, 09:08:34 AM
It tells me that you ignore what we say regarding Trump because it doesn't fit your agenda. Find where I said Biden is doing a great job and post it on Getbig. I have stated that I agree with some of Biden's policies. I have never said he is doing a great job, not because he isn't but because it is too soon for me to know this.

I do not need to explain why I don't like Trump to you or anyone else. I have repeatedly said that I never liked him. I think he is a jerk, a grifter and basically an ass. I always have... long before he ran for office and  moved into the Whitehouse.

Great post.  Though redundant.  He’s been told all this before and yet doesn’t grasp something so simple. He has infantile levels of denial and struggles to even process semi coherent traces of facts and logic. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on September 12, 2022, 09:15:36 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2022, 01:28:26 PM
 :D

If they were, they would just say they were.  Right?

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Trump’s Lawyers Contradict Trump’s Claim That Mar-a-Lago Docs Were Declassified.

Former President Trump’s lawyers contradicted his assertions that the documents seized by the Department of Justice from his home at Mar-a-Lago were declassified, arguing in a court filing on Monday that the documents’ classification status should be “determined later.”

Trump’s lawyers did not claim that Trump had classified the documents, only that he had broad, virtually unquestionable authority to do so. The roundabout irresolution stands in contrast to Trump publicly stating that he had declassified the documents.

Nikki McCann Ramirez
Mon, September 12, 2022 at 12:34 PM·3 min read
In this article:

    Donald Trump
    Donald Trump
    45th President of the United States

donald-trump-mar-a-lago-contradiction.jpg Celebrity Sightings In New York City - August 10, 2022 - Credit: James Devaney/GC Images
donald-trump-mar-a-lago-contradiction.jpg Celebrity Sightings In New York City - August 10, 2022 - Credit: James Devaney/GC Images

Former President Trump’s lawyers contradicted his assertions that the documents seized by the Department of Justice from his home at Mar-a-Lago were declassified, arguing in a court filing on Monday that the documents’ classification status should be “determined later.”

Trump’s lawyers did not claim that Trump had classified the documents, only that he had broad, virtually unquestionable authority to do so. The roundabout irresolution stands in contrast to Trump publicly stating that he had declassified the documents.

The filing was made in response to the DOJ’s appeal of Judge Aileen Cannon’s decision to appoint a “special master” to conduct a review of the documents. The DOJ is seeking to shorten the period of time granted for the review, to exclude more than 100 classified documents, and to modify the criteria under which the review is conducted to exclude claims of privilege.

Despite the judge’s decision to grant the request for a special master, the DOJ already reviewed the documents while the Trump camp waited two weeks before filing their opposing motion. The trove of documents seized in the Aug. 8 raid contained almost two hundred documents with high-level classification markings, including “top secret” designations. According to The Washington Post, some of the documents contained information about an unidentified “foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness.”

The filing on Monday indicates Trump’s team is seeking to apply a two-fold strategy in order to block the DOJ from reviewing the documents: arguing that “the former president” has broad authority to decide what is and isn’t declassified, and that under the Presidential Records Act the materials belong with either Trump, as his personal property, or with the National Archives — but not with the DOJ.

It's been previously reported that the former president was privately demanding that his lawyers recover the documents. This, along with the back and forth between Trump’s legal team and the DOJ also contradict public statements from Trump that the department had planted evidence against him and lost documents.

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2022, 01:56:35 PM
:D

If they were, they would just say they were.  Right?

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Trump’s Lawyers Contradict Trump’s Claim That Mar-a-Lago Docs Were Declassified.

Former President Trump’s lawyers contradicted his assertions that the documents seized by the Department of Justice from his home at Mar-a-Lago were declassified, arguing in a court filing on Monday that the documents’ classification status should be “determined later.”

Trump’s lawyers did not claim that Trump had classified the documents, only that he had broad, virtually unquestionable authority to do so. The roundabout irresolution stands in contrast to Trump publicly stating that he had declassified the documents.

Nikki McCann Ramirez
Mon, September 12, 2022 at 12:34 PM·3 min read
In this article:

    Donald Trump
    Donald Trump
    45th President of the United States

donald-trump-mar-a-lago-contradiction.jpg Celebrity Sightings In New York City - August 10, 2022 - Credit: James Devaney/GC Images
donald-trump-mar-a-lago-contradiction.jpg Celebrity Sightings In New York City - August 10, 2022 - Credit: James Devaney/GC Images

Former President Trump’s lawyers contradicted his assertions that the documents seized by the Department of Justice from his home at Mar-a-Lago were declassified, arguing in a court filing on Monday that the documents’ classification status should be “determined later.”

Trump’s lawyers did not claim that Trump had classified the documents, only that he had broad, virtually unquestionable authority to do so. The roundabout irresolution stands in contrast to Trump publicly stating that he had declassified the documents.

The filing was made in response to the DOJ’s appeal of Judge Aileen Cannon’s decision to appoint a “special master” to conduct a review of the documents. The DOJ is seeking to shorten the period of time granted for the review, to exclude more than 100 classified documents, and to modify the criteria under which the review is conducted to exclude claims of privilege.

Despite the judge’s decision to grant the request for a special master, the DOJ already reviewed the documents while the Trump camp waited two weeks before filing their opposing motion. The trove of documents seized in the Aug. 8 raid contained almost two hundred documents with high-level classification markings, including “top secret” designations. According to The Washington Post, some of the documents contained information about an unidentified “foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness.”

The filing on Monday indicates Trump’s team is seeking to apply a two-fold strategy in order to block the DOJ from reviewing the documents: arguing that “the former president” has broad authority to decide what is and isn’t declassified, and that under the Presidential Records Act the materials belong with either Trump, as his personal property, or with the National Archives — but not with the DOJ.

It's been previously reported that the former president was privately demanding that his lawyers recover the documents. This, along with the back and forth between Trump’s legal team and the DOJ also contradict public statements from Trump that the department had planted evidence against him and lost documents.

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Until now, when accused of wrongdoings Trump has successfully created distractions via the conservative media and lying, delayed investigations and lawsuits via counter suits, appeals and lying. His road to success wreaks havoc (dead bodies) with the people he's used to get what and where he wants. His concept of loyalty is one sided in his favor.   

So far, his 'base' has been hoodwinked. They believe everything he tells them no matter how farfetched it is. There is a possibility he will get away with these tactics until he dies. It is doubtful his successors will be as cunning and as successful as he is. Eventually, he will be exposed for who is and the truth will come out. It is possible this won't happen for many years. 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 12, 2022, 03:15:24 PM
LIBTURD's GOING TO LIBTURD - - I WISH THEY'D All FUCK OFF & WHEN THEY'VE FUCKED OF GO FUCK OFF SOME MORE 😀 👍🏻
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided Trump’sHome
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2022, 04:10:15 PM
It tells me that you ignore what we say regarding Trump because it doesn't fit your agenda. Find where I said Biden is doing a great job and post it on Getbig. I have stated that I agree with some of Biden's policies. I have never said he is doing a great job, not because he isn't but because it is too soon for me to know this.

I do not need to explain why I don't like Trump to you or anyone else. I have repeatedly said that I never liked him. I think he is a jerk, a grifter and basically an ass. I always have... long before he ran for office and  moved into the Whitehouse.

Agenda? I don’t ignore it, I read it and laugh at it because the left has had the same ole MO since Trump came down that escalator over 6 year ago and literally everything that’s been thrown at him has been debunked with zero evidence in each fake case. It’s not ignoring, it’s history
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2022, 04:32:34 PM
Whether Trump needs proof beyond his own statements remains be decided by the legal system, not by his base.

Of course, he disputes that. His version of what happens is rarely consistent with what history tells us happens. He is at odds with anything which doesn't go his way.

It seems odd but whatever dress the First Lady wears to the inauguration is traditionally donated to the Smithsonian. A First Lady can wear a gifted or donated designer item if it's officially made government property and given to the National Archives after its wear for historical preservation. The Constitution (Article I, Section 9) prohibits anyone in the US Government from receiving a personal gift from a foreign head of state without the consent of Congress. The Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966 and further legislation passed in 1977 allow gifts to be retained if they meet certain requirements. Foreign official gifts over this “minimal value” are considered gifts to the people of the United States, which the recipient must purchase from GSA, at fair market value, to retain them. I have no idea what the minimal value of her items of clothing are, but she has expensive taste. One skirt she wore to an occasion cost almost $10,000.

I think the main complaint the Trumps have is that Melanie's closets were riffled through by the FBI in the search. Supposedly she's disposed of those clothes and is in the process of replacing them. Considering what she's believed to spend on clothes, that could run into the millions. If it's her or Donald's money it should be no one's concern what she spends now that she is a private citizen. Personally, I have never witnessed or been involved in an FBI or other law agency raid so I don't know if they are as portrayed in the media, which seems brutal.

Barron is a minor so the FBI searching his room seems wrong. But who is to say there wouldn't be government documents stashed there?

As I mentioned, I believe 'raids' or the execution of search warrants can be overzealous and most definitely disruptive and unpleasant. Unless the security cameras were turned off or the contents destroyed, there should be a visual record of the conduct of the FBI at Mar-a-lago. It would be interesting to see exactly what went on that day. Unfortunately, it might be considered an invasion of privacy if someone other than the Trumps were to make them public.

In fairness, the Trumps wouldn't be the only folks to take items which did not belong to them when they vacated the Whitehouse. The Clintons returned more than $28,000 worth of items, which, they said, they thought were personal gifts given to them and not to the White House. Supposedly they received a total of almost $200,000 in gifts. Whether that is true or not, who knows.

Nancy Reagan was another First Lady with expensive taste for which she was at time criticized. Like other Presidents' wives, Mrs. Reagan donated her inaugural ball gown to the Smithsonian Institution.

Jackie Kennedy was another First Lady with expensive designer tastes. If I remember correctly, she was called out by some for 'restoring’ the Whitehouse interior design at great expense to taxpayers. Her inaugural gown is also in the Smithsonian.

So sending 30 FBI agents to search Melanie's closet seems wrong, but also ok.

Sending 30 FBI agents to search Barron Trump's rooms seems wrong, but also ok.  That's pathetic.  You people are absolutely ends justifies the means when it comes to Trump.  Who cares about the law or individual liberty.  As long as it hurts orange man, it's good. 
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Post by: illuminati on September 12, 2022, 05:57:34 PM
So sending 30 FBI agents to search Melanie's closet seems wrong, but also ok.

Sending 30 FBI agents to search Barron Trump's rooms seems wrong, but also ok.  That's pathetic.  You people are absolutely ends justifies the means when it comes to Trump.  Who cares about the law or individual liberty.  As long as it hurts orange man, it's good.

Exactly- They're a Bunch of Snivelling crybaby Fucktards
Very low or no existent Morals -
They see Fuck all wrong with the 30 Khunts going through Melanie's & Baron's Items
Goes to show what type of Lowlife Scumbags they are.
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Post by: The Scott on September 12, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
So sending 30 FBI agents to search Melanie's closet seems wrong, but also ok.

Sending 30 FBI agents to search Barron Trump's rooms seems wrong, but also ok.  That's pathetic.  You people are absolutely ends justifies the means when it comes to Trump.  Who cares about the law or individual liberty.  As long as it hurts orange man, it's good.



Exactly- They're a Bunch of Snivelling crybaby Fucktards
Very low or no existent Morals -
They see Fuck all wrong with the 30 Khunts going through Melanie's & Baron's Items
Goes to show what type of Lowlife Scumbags they are.

Well stated, gentlemen!
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2022, 06:40:21 PM
Agenda? I don’t ignore it, I read it and laugh at it because the left has had the same ole MO since Trump came down that escalator over 6 year ago and literally everything that’s been thrown at him has been debunked with zero evidence in each fake case. It’s not ignoring, it’s history

The left has the same MO? You are probably right. Could this be because the 'right' is like a young child or someone with downs syndrome or maybe a dog that must to be told given the same command over and over before they actually get it.
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Post by: illuminati on September 12, 2022, 07:07:31 PM
LIBTURD's GOING TO LIBTURD - - I WISH THEY'D All FUCK OFF & WHEN THEY'VE FUCKED OF GO FUCK OFF SOME MORE 😀 👍🏻
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 13, 2022, 01:12:39 AM
If he hadn't taken the documents in the first place, or had an ounce of credibility, this wouldn't have happened at all.   ;D
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Post by: AbrahamG on September 13, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
If he hadn't taken the documents in the first place, or had an ounce of credibility, this wouldn't have happened at all.   ;D

But, but, Killary's laptop...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Gym-Rat on September 13, 2022, 10:03:25 AM
But, but, Killary's laptop...

It was her mail server, and its one of the biggest political crimes in history.
No need to ignore that just to push a Trump narrative. Both people can be criminals.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 13, 2022, 10:26:53 AM
If he hadn't taken the documents in the first place, or had an ounce of credibility, this wouldn't have happened at all.   ;D

Where do you think the documents the Clintons, Obama’s and Biden are?
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Post by: residue on September 13, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Where do you think the documents the Clintons, Obama’s and Biden are?

i would imagine Biden's is prob in the white house and not a resort
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Post by: illuminati on September 13, 2022, 02:16:23 PM
i would imagine Biden's is prob in the white house and not a resort

Biden's are likely in The Bin as he's drawn all over them with his crayons
Or Flushed down the Loo after wiping his arse with them thinking they're toilet paper.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 13, 2022, 02:26:43 PM
i would imagine Biden's is prob in the white house and not a resort

Sure they are🙄
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 13, 2022, 02:47:17 PM
It was her mail server, and its one of the biggest political crimes in history.
No need to ignore that just to push a Trump narrative. Both people can be criminals.

Agreed. One does not excuse the other. Technically, neither are criminals, because no-one has been charged and convicted.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 13, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
Biden's are likely in The Bin as he's drawn all over them with his crayons
Or Flushed down the Loo after wiping his arse with them thinking they're toilet paper.

If Biden does this, he learned it from Trump who supposedly flushed so many documents down the toilet it screwed up the plumbing a lot of the time.
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Post by: The Scott on September 13, 2022, 03:07:03 PM
If Biden does this, he learned it from Trump who supposedly flushed so many documents down the toilet it screwed up the plumbing a lot of the time.

I have never heard this and John's old friends are a lot closer to the source than any of us here.  Just sayin'...

Be well.
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Post by: AbrahamG on September 13, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
It was her mail server, and its one of the biggest political crimes in history.
No need to ignore that just to push a Trump narrative. Both people can be criminals.

It's not one of the biggest political crimes in history.  If it was, your party would have done something about it other than waste 50+ billion dollars investigating it and having her testify for hours on end about it.  I'll give you that she's an arrogant cunt and her not following protocols in inexcusable but the GOP controlled both houses, investigated her ad nauseum and got NOTHING. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on September 13, 2022, 03:46:27 PM
I have never heard this and John's old friends are a lot closer to the source than any of us here.  Just sayin'...

Be well.

One of the sources is Maggie Haberman's book Confidence Man, with photos no less. It is one of those stories which is difficult to validate for obvious reasons.  ;)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on September 13, 2022, 04:14:18 PM
New Durham bombshell: FBI paid Russian accused of lying as a confidential informant against Trump


In a bombshell revelation, Special Prosecutor John Durham revealed Tuesday in court filings that the FBI paid a Russian businessman as a confidential human source in the investigation of Donald Trump's 2016 campaign even though it had prior concerns that businessman was tied to Moscow's intelligence services.

Durham persuaded the federal judge in the upcoming trial of Igor Danchenko to unseal a motion revealing that Danchenko, the primary source of the now-discredited Steele dossier, was paid by the FBI as a confidential human source for more than three years until the fall of 2020 when he was terminated for lying to agents.

Danchenko is charged with five counts of lying to the bureau during that relationship and faces trial next month in federal court in the Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C.

"In March 2017, the FBI signed the defendant up as a paid confidential human source of the FBI," Durham's unsealed court filing disclosed for the first time. "The FBI terminated its source relationship with the defendant in October 2020. As alleged in further detail below, the defendant lied to FBI agents during several of these interviews."

The revelation means that the FBI first fired former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, the author of the Hillary Clinton-funded dossier, as a human source in November 2016 for having unauthorized contacts with the news media. And it then turned around a few months later and hired Steele’s primary informer to work with the bureau even after determining some of Danchenko’s statements in the Steele dossier were uncorroborated or exaggerated.

Durham persuaded the federal judge in the upcoming trial of Igor Danchenko to unseal a motion revealing that Danchenko, the primary source of the now-discredited Steele dossier, was paid by the FBI as a confidential human source for more than three years until the fall of 2020 when he was terminated for lying to agents.

Danchenko is charged with five counts of lying to the bureau during that relationship and faces trial next month in federal court in the Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C.

"In March 2017, the FBI signed the defendant up as a paid confidential human source of the FBI," Durham's unsealed court filing disclosed for the first time. "The FBI terminated its source relationship with the defendant in October 2020. As alleged in further detail below, the defendant lied to FBI agents during several of these interviews."

The revelation means that the FBI first fired former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, the author of the Hillary Clinton-funded dossier, as a human source in November 2016 for having unauthorized contacts with the news media. And it then turned around a few months later and hired Steele’s primary informer to work with the bureau even after determining some of Danchenko’s statements in the Steele dossier were uncorroborated or exaggerated.

The FBI closed that counterintelligence probe in 2010 but only after it “incorrectly believed that the defendant had left the country,” Durham told the court.

Before the FBI hired Danchenko as a confidential human source it detected more troubling behavior, prosecutors told the court.

“During his January 2017 interview with the FBI, the defendant initially denied having any contact with Russian intelligence or security services but later - as noted by the agents, contradicted himself and stated that he had contact with two individuals who he believed to be connected to those services,” Durham wrote.

The filing asked the court for permission to use evidence at trial of other lies that Danchenko allegedly told the FBI that are not charged as part of his indictment. The prosecutor argued the new evidence would show a pattern and how Danchenko’s deception led to false narratives in the Steele dossier and the news media, including the salacious and untrue allegation that Trump had consorted with prostitutes in Moscow.


Durham plans to show the jury evidence that Danchenko made “uncharged false statements to the FBI regarding his purported receipt of information reflecting Donald's Trump's alleged salacious sexual activity at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow,” the filing said.

Prosecutors will provide evidence that Danchenko never received such information and plans to introduce testimony that members of the Moscow hotel staff never made any such claim about Trump’s behavior as the Steele dossier claimed.

“The Government has interviewed and expects to call at trial the then-general manager of the Ritz-Carlton Moscow, Bemd Kuhlen, a German citizen who does not speak Russian (and whom the Steele Reports describe as "Source E," a senior (western) member of staff at the hotel."),” Durham wrote.

“Mr. Kuhlen does not recall ever meeting or speaking with the defendant in June 2016, or at any time. Mr. Kuhlen also has denied (1) having knowledge of the Ritz-Carlton allegations at any time prior to their being reported in the media, (2) discussing such allegations with, or hearing them from, the defendant,” the motion reveals.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/new-durham-bombshell-fbi-paid-russian-accused-lying?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjtn
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 14, 2022, 01:32:21 AM
They are so afraid Trump will win again they are doing anything possible to stop him. If he does win again there will be mass suicides. ;D
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
http://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/new-durham-bombshell-fbi-paid-russian-accused-lying

Unbelievable.   >:( :(

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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
Where do you think the documents the Clintons, Obama’s and Biden are?

Irrelevant in this case.  But continue your whataboutism to cope with that fact. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
Sure they are🙄

Prove differently then retard. 
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
Prove differently then retard.

The FBI Paid For Russian Disinformation To Frame Trump—And 7 Other Takeaways From Durham’s Latest Court Filing
Federalist ^ | BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND SEPTEMBER 14, 2022
Posted on 9/14/2022, 11:25:15 AM


Our federal government paid for Russian disinformation to frame the president of the United States for colluding with Russia.

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The FBI put a contributor to the Hillary Clinton campaign’s Donald Trump smear dossier on FBI payroll as a confidential human source after investigating Igor Danchenko for allegedly spying for the Russian government, revealed Special Counsel John Durham in a court filing unsealed by a Virginia federal court yesterday. The filing contains this bombshell and seven other significant details about the Democrat-led plot to use U.S. intelligence agencies to deny Americans the results of their choice for president in 2016.

The FBI made Danchenko a confidential human source, providing him and the FBI’s use of him “national security” cover, in March 2017 and terminated that designation in October 2020, according to the court filing unsealed on Sept. 13. Danchenko is the originator of the false claim trumpeted all over global media that Donald Trump told prostitutes to pee on beds the Obamas had slept in in a Russian hotel.

The FBI had previously targeted Danchenko, Christopher Steele’s primary source, as a possible Russian agent. But after discovering Danchenko’s identity as Steele’s Sub-Source No. 1, rather than investigate whether Danchenko had been feeding Steele Russian disinformation, the FBI paid Danchenko as a CHS.

Trial for Lying to the FBI to Take Down a President Danchenko faces trial next month on five counts of lying to the FBI related to his role as Steele’s primary sub-source. One count of the indictment concerned Danchenko’s denial during an FBI interview on June 15, 2017, of having spoken with “PR Executive-1” about any material contained in the Steele dossier. “PR Executive-1” has since been identified as the Clinton and Democratic National Committee-connected Charles Dolan, Jr. Also according to the special counsel’s office, Danchenko fed Steele at least two false claims about Trump that originated in part from Dolan.

The four other counts of the indictment concerned Danchenko’s allegedly false claims that he had spoken with a source whom he believed was the then-president of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, Sergei Millian. Danchenko repeated that assertion during several different FBI interviews.

Danchenko’s trial begins next month, but two weeks ago, as part of the pre-trial process, the government filed a “Motion in Limine,” which seeks a ruling from the court on the admissibility of various evidence. While originally filed under seal, the court ordered the docket entry unsealed on Tuesday, making public more details about the case against the Russian national.

Here’s an overview of what we learned yesterday.

Witness: Danchenko Sought to Broker Putin’s Purchase of Classified Intel While it has previously been reported that Danchenko was a subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation from 2009 to 2011, the special counsel’s motion revealed more specifics. Specifically, the prosecution explained that “in late 2008, while the defendant was employed by a prominent think tank in Washington, D.C., the defendant engaged two fellow employees about whether one of the employees might be willing or able in the future to provide classified information in exchange for money.”

“According to one employee,” the court filing continued, Danchenko thought the employee “might be in a position to enter the incoming Obama administration and have access to classified information.” Danchenko allegedly then told the employee “he had access to people who would be willing to pay money in exchange for classified information.”

The think-tank employee relayed the information to a government contact, who passed it on to the FBI. The FBI then initiated a “preliminary investigation” into Danchenko but converted it to a “full investigation” after learning Danchenko “had been identified as an associate of two FBI counterintelligence subjects” and “had previous contact with the Russian Embassy and known Russian intelligence officers.” Durham also noted that Danchenko “had also informed one Russian intelligence officer that he had interest in entering the Russian diplomatic service.”

The special counsel further revealed the FBI closed its investigation in 2010 after incorrectly concluding Danchenko had left the country.

In its motion in limine, Durham’s team argues this evidence is important to its case because it will establish that Danchenko’s lies to the FBI were “material.” Specifically, the FBI argues that had Danchenko truthfully told the FBI that he had discussed some of the content in the dossier with Dolan, the FBI might have interviewed Dolan or obtained Dolan’s emails.

That line of inquiry would have revealed the possibility that Danchenko was a Russian asset, the special counsel’s motion argues, noting that “Dolan, on two separate occasions, stated in emails dated June 10, 2016, and January 13, 2017, that he believed the defendant was ‘former FSB’ and a Russian ‘agent.’”

Had the FBI learned from Dolan that Danchenko was connected to the Russian intelligence services, “this naturally would have (or should have) caused investigators to revisit the prior counterintelligence investigation,” Durham argues, and “raise[d] the prospect that the defendant might have in fact been under the control or guidance of the Russian intelligence services.”

While this revelation is spicy, Danchenko’s attorneys will quickly dispatch this argument by pointing out that if the FBI’s own counterintelligence investigation into Danchenko that included the details noted above didn’t “raise the prospect” that Danchenko was “under the control or guidance of the Russian intelligence services,” surely Dolan’s beliefs would not alter the trajectory of the investigation.

Further, because this evidence consists of “character” or “bad acts” evidence, even if it helps the government build its materiality argument, the court will likely rule it inadmissible as “unfairly prejudicial” to Danchenko, meaning that it may cause a jury to wrongly convict Danchenko because of his past conduct, not because of his current alleged crime.

The FBI Paid for Russian Disinformation to Target a U.S. President A second shocker from the Sept. 13 court filing concerned Danchenko’s hiring as a paid CHS.

“In March 2017, the FBI signed the defendant up as a paid confidential human source of the FBI,” the special counsel revealed in the motion. It was not until October 2020 that “the FBI terminated its source relationship with” Danchenko.

Simply put: Our federal government paid for Russian disinformation to frame the president of the United States for colluding with Russia.

The FBI did this knowing that Danchenko “was associate of two FBI counterintelligence subjects”; “had previous contact with the Russian Embassy and known Russian intelligence officers”; “had also informed one Russian intelligence officer that he had interest in entering the Russian diplomatic service”; and, according to a think-tank employee, suggested he had contacts willing to purchase classified information.

Also, the FBI and Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team continued to use Danchenko as a paid CHS even knowing his stories were fabrications. In fact, Mueller’s team was so focused on getting Trump, it completely ignored whether the Steele dossier included Russian disinformation.

Hillary Paid for Russian Disinformation Too Not only did the FBI pay for Russian disinformation, so did Clinton, and she did so to interfere in the 2016 election. The public already knew from Durham’s (failed) prosecution of Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann that the campaign paid Fusion GPS for opposition research. Fusion in turn hired Steele to dig up dirt on Trump.

That trial also revealed that Clinton personally approved pushing a smaller aspect of the Russia-collusion hoax, namely the Alfa-Bank secret communications hoax.

From yesterday’s filing we now know the primary sub-source for the Steele dossier paid for by Clinton was not merely a Russian national who fabricated the “intel,” but also a suspected Russian agent. Tuesday’s motion also highlighted the fact that longtime Clinton backer “Dolan maintained a relationship with several high-ranking Russian government officials who appear in the Steele Reports.”

So, for all her vapors over Trump’s connections with Russia and his supposed collusion with Russia to interfere in the election, the evidence shows Clinton holds that dishonor.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Sources Durham’s motion also revealed what appears to be the “tradecraft” of the spooks for hire, in the form of a February 24, 2016 email Danchenko sent his former boss, Cenk Sidar. Sidar, who ran the business intelligence firm Sidar Globak, asked Danchenko to review a report he had prepared.

After reviewing the draft, Danchenko emailed Sidar recommendations on how to improve the report, including the following suggestion: “Emphasize sources. Make them bold or CAPITALISED. The more sources the better. If you lack them, use oneself as a source (‘Istanbul-Washington-based businessman’ or whatever) to save the situation and make it look a bit better.”

The government seeks to admit this email to show that Danchenko followed a similar or “common plan” when working for Steele by creating sources “to save the situation,” such as what the prosecution maintains Danchenko did with Millian. This argument holds merit, and the trial court accordingly will likely allow Durham’s team to tell the jury about the email.

The FBI’s ‘Investigation’ Makes Maxwell Smart Look Like Jack Ryan While corruption may be a better explanation than incompetence, either way the special counsel’s brief leaves the FBI looking like fools. First, the bureau closed an investigation on a suspected Russian asset after wrongly thinking Danchenko had left the country. Then the FBI paid that suspected Russian agent to serve as a confidential human source, with Danchenko then telling agents a litany of lies, including ones that should have been obvious.

For example, as the motion highlights, Danchenko claimed to agents that Millian might be the source for the “pee-tape” info. But those allegations appeared in Steele’s report dated June 20, 2016, and Danchenko “repeatedly informed the FBI that the first and only time he allegedly communicated with Millian was late July 2016.”

“Put bluntly,” the special counsel wrote, “these facts demonstrate that the defendant could not keep his lies straight, and that the defendant engaged in a concerted effort to deceive the FBI about the sourcing (or lack thereof) of the Steele Reports.” Unless they were corrupt, this indicates the FBI agents investigating Trump were a bunch of incompetent boobs.

The special counsel’s team further exposed the incompetence (or corruption) of the FBI when it introduced the public to Bemd Kuhlen, a German citizen who served as the general manager of the Ritz-Carlton Moscow in June 2016, when the pee-tape tale was purportedly sourced. The Steele dossier described the source as “a senior (western) member of staff at the hotel.”

According to Durham, Kuhlen is prepared to testify at Danchenko’s trial that at the time he was the only “western” member of management at the hotel. Kuhlen will also testify that he never heard any story resembling Steele’s reporting until it became public and never discussed those claims with Danchenko.

If six years after the fact prosecutors could locate and question Kuhlen, the Crossfire Hurricane team could have done the same for Steele’s reporting, quickly disproving the dossier. If they wanted to, that is.

Steele Was Duped—That’s Our Story and We’re Sticking to It Yesterday’s motion revealed another unsettling fact: Prosecutors appear poised to continue with the company storyline that Steele and in turn the FBI were duped. In its motion, the government notes that Danchenko “informed Steele that he met in person with Sergei Millian on two or three occasions,” and that Danchenko “subsequently informed the FBI that he had not in fact met with Millian on any occasion.”

So, how does the special counsel address this discrepancy? Danchenko “further stated to the FBI that Steele incorrectly believed the defendant had met in-person with Millian” and that “Danchenko had not corrected Steele in that misimpression.” It was all just a big misunderstanding, folks, until Danchenko lied to the FBI.

This short section of the motion shows Durham does not intend to expose the FBI’s complicity at Danchenko’s trial. While Durham may not want to put the FBI on trial, Danchenko has made clear that he intends to. Unless the special counsel’s team acknowledges the FBI’s role in the Russia collusion hoax, Danchenko will likely score the second acquittal.

Star Witness Says, ‘No, Thanks’ To Testifying Four of the five counts against Danchenko concern Danchenko’s allegedly false statements to the FBI about a telephone conversation Danchenko claimed he had with an individual he thought was Millian. Under these circumstances, Millian would seem to be a star witness for Durham. But in the motion in limine, the special counsel revealed that Millian refuses to testify because of “concerns for his and his family’s safety (who reside abroad)” and because “he does not trust the FBI and fears being arrested if he returns to the United States.”

While “the Government has repeatedly informed Millian that it will work to ensure his security during his time in the United States, as it does with all witnesses,” Millian remains firm in his refusal. And who can blame him? Even if Durham can provide physical security for Millian, Durham doesn’t run the Department of Justice. As the recent raid on Trump’s home shows, the deep state will go to great lengths to get its enemies.

After establishing that it used its best efforts to arrange for Millian to testify at Danchenko’s trial, the government argues that because he is “unavailable,” as that term is legally understood, three emails Millian wrote to a friend are admissible, even if they are hearsay. Those emails show that a mutual acquaintance attempted to connect Millian and Danchenko and that Millian later figured out Danchenko was Steele’s source who invented the story of the phone call.

The government presents a persuasive argument that these emails should be admitted at trial, and the court will likely agree, meaning Millian’s prudent absence from the trial is unlikely to prompt an acquittal.

Strange Cyprus Things A final takeaway from yesterday’s filing stems from the special counsel’s mention of Cyprus.

“On June 10, 2016, Dolan, while in Cyprus meeting with Olga Galkina (another source for the defendant), emailed a U.S.-based acquaintance regarding efforts to assist the defendant in obtaining a U.S. visa,” the motion says. It quotes the email: “Monday night I fly to Moscow and will meet with a Russian guy who is working with me on a couple of projects. He also works for a group of former MI 6 guys in London who do intelligence for business …. [H]e owes me as his Visa is being held up and I am having a word with the Ambassador.”

The special counsel’s office included these details to establish that Danchenko had lied to the FBI about facts beyond those contained in the indictment. This helps Durham’s case by showing Danchenko’s allegedly false statements were not mere mistakes. The reference to Cyprus, however, also raises an entirely new set of questions.

In addition to Dolan’s presence in Cyprus on June 10, 2016, where he met with another of Danchenko’s sources, we have a June 1, 2016 email to President Obama’s undersecretary for State Victoria Nuland noting that “Kathleen [Kavalec] is recommending [she] look at the first 10 days of July for a Cyprus trip.” Nuland made the trip on July 12, 2016.

On July 1, 2016, Steele emailed the DOJ’s Bruce Ohr, noting that Steele was traveling to Cyprus with his family on holiday from July 9 to 16, 2016.

Nuland’s presence in Cyprus at the same time as Steele seems a tad too coincidental to ignore. After all, Nuland, who “served as Kavalec’s boss at the bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, was the government official who approved an FBI agent in Rome meeting Steele in early July 2016.” Steele would later also meet with Kavalec in D.C. in October 2016 about his Trump reporting. Jonathan Winer, who knew Steele since 2009 and reportedly met with Steele in the Summer of 2016, appears to have arranged the Steele-Kavalec meeting.

The overlapping players and timeframe demand answers. Did Steele meet with Nuland in Cyprus? If so, was Steele alerted to Nuland’s travel plans? What did the duo discuss? Did Steele or Nuland meet with Dolan or the Cyprus sub-source?

While Cyprus may well be a guy, the FBI launched a full investigation into Trump’s presidential campaign on less.

It’s extremely unlikely that Danchenko’s trial will answer any of these Cyprus questions. But future filings and the anticipated week-plus trial may fill in some of the other Spygate blanks.

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Margot Cleveland is The Federalist's senior legal correspondent. She is also a contributor to National Review Online, the Washington Examiner, Aleteia, and Townhall.com, and has been published in the Wall Street Journal and USA Today. Cleveland is a lawyer and a graduate of the Notre Dame Law School, where she earned the Hoynes Prize—the law school’s highest honor. She later served for nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk for a federal appellate judge on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Cleveland is a former full-time university faculty member and now teaches as an adjunct from time to time. As a stay-at-home homeschooling mom of a young son with cystic fibrosis, Cleveland frequently writes on cultural issues related to parenting and special-needs children. Cleveland is on Twitter at @ProfMJCleveland. The views expressed here are those of Cleveland in her private capacity.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2022, 04:34:43 PM
The FBI Paid For Russian Disinformation To Frame Trump—And 7 Other Takeaways From Durham’s Latest Court Filing
Federalist ^ | BY: MARGOT CLEVELAND SEPTEMBER 14, 2022
Posted on 9/14/2022, 11:25:15 AM


Our federal government paid for Russian disinformation to frame the president of the United States for colluding with Russia.

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The FBI put a contributor to the Hillary Clinton campaign’s Donald Trump smear dossier on FBI payroll as a confidential human source after investigating Igor Danchenko for allegedly spying for the Russian government, revealed Special Counsel John Durham in a court filing unsealed by a Virginia federal court yesterday. The filing contains this bombshell and seven other significant details about the Democrat-led plot to use U.S. intelligence agencies to deny Americans the results of their choice for president in 2016.

The FBI made Danchenko a confidential human source, providing him and the FBI’s use of him “national security” cover, in March 2017 and terminated that designation in October 2020, according to the court filing unsealed on Sept. 13. Danchenko is the originator of the false claim trumpeted all over global media that Donald Trump told prostitutes to pee on beds the Obamas had slept in in a Russian hotel.

The FBI had previously targeted Danchenko, Christopher Steele’s primary source, as a possible Russian agent. But after discovering Danchenko’s identity as Steele’s Sub-Source No. 1, rather than investigate whether Danchenko had been feeding Steele Russian disinformation, the FBI paid Danchenko as a CHS.

Trial for Lying to the FBI to Take Down a President Danchenko faces trial next month on five counts of lying to the FBI related to his role as Steele’s primary sub-source. One count of the indictment concerned Danchenko’s denial during an FBI interview on June 15, 2017, of having spoken with “PR Executive-1” about any material contained in the Steele dossier. “PR Executive-1” has since been identified as the Clinton and Democratic National Committee-connected Charles Dolan, Jr. Also according to the special counsel’s office, Danchenko fed Steele at least two false claims about Trump that originated in part from Dolan.

The four other counts of the indictment concerned Danchenko’s allegedly false claims that he had spoken with a source whom he believed was the then-president of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, Sergei Millian. Danchenko repeated that assertion during several different FBI interviews.

Danchenko’s trial begins next month, but two weeks ago, as part of the pre-trial process, the government filed a “Motion in Limine,” which seeks a ruling from the court on the admissibility of various evidence. While originally filed under seal, the court ordered the docket entry unsealed on Tuesday, making public more details about the case against the Russian national.

Here’s an overview of what we learned yesterday.

Witness: Danchenko Sought to Broker Putin’s Purchase of Classified Intel While it has previously been reported that Danchenko was a subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation from 2009 to 2011, the special counsel’s motion revealed more specifics. Specifically, the prosecution explained that “in late 2008, while the defendant was employed by a prominent think tank in Washington, D.C., the defendant engaged two fellow employees about whether one of the employees might be willing or able in the future to provide classified information in exchange for money.”

“According to one employee,” the court filing continued, Danchenko thought the employee “might be in a position to enter the incoming Obama administration and have access to classified information.” Danchenko allegedly then told the employee “he had access to people who would be willing to pay money in exchange for classified information.”

The think-tank employee relayed the information to a government contact, who passed it on to the FBI. The FBI then initiated a “preliminary investigation” into Danchenko but converted it to a “full investigation” after learning Danchenko “had been identified as an associate of two FBI counterintelligence subjects” and “had previous contact with the Russian Embassy and known Russian intelligence officers.” Durham also noted that Danchenko “had also informed one Russian intelligence officer that he had interest in entering the Russian diplomatic service.”

The special counsel further revealed the FBI closed its investigation in 2010 after incorrectly concluding Danchenko had left the country.

In its motion in limine, Durham’s team argues this evidence is important to its case because it will establish that Danchenko’s lies to the FBI were “material.” Specifically, the FBI argues that had Danchenko truthfully told the FBI that he had discussed some of the content in the dossier with Dolan, the FBI might have interviewed Dolan or obtained Dolan’s emails.

That line of inquiry would have revealed the possibility that Danchenko was a Russian asset, the special counsel’s motion argues, noting that “Dolan, on two separate occasions, stated in emails dated June 10, 2016, and January 13, 2017, that he believed the defendant was ‘former FSB’ and a Russian ‘agent.’”

Had the FBI learned from Dolan that Danchenko was connected to the Russian intelligence services, “this naturally would have (or should have) caused investigators to revisit the prior counterintelligence investigation,” Durham argues, and “raise[d] the prospect that the defendant might have in fact been under the control or guidance of the Russian intelligence services.”

While this revelation is spicy, Danchenko’s attorneys will quickly dispatch this argument by pointing out that if the FBI’s own counterintelligence investigation into Danchenko that included the details noted above didn’t “raise the prospect” that Danchenko was “under the control or guidance of the Russian intelligence services,” surely Dolan’s beliefs would not alter the trajectory of the investigation.

Further, because this evidence consists of “character” or “bad acts” evidence, even if it helps the government build its materiality argument, the court will likely rule it inadmissible as “unfairly prejudicial” to Danchenko, meaning that it may cause a jury to wrongly convict Danchenko because of his past conduct, not because of his current alleged crime.

The FBI Paid for Russian Disinformation to Target a U.S. President A second shocker from the Sept. 13 court filing concerned Danchenko’s hiring as a paid CHS.

“In March 2017, the FBI signed the defendant up as a paid confidential human source of the FBI,” the special counsel revealed in the motion. It was not until October 2020 that “the FBI terminated its source relationship with” Danchenko.

Simply put: Our federal government paid for Russian disinformation to frame the president of the United States for colluding with Russia.

The FBI did this knowing that Danchenko “was associate of two FBI counterintelligence subjects”; “had previous contact with the Russian Embassy and known Russian intelligence officers”; “had also informed one Russian intelligence officer that he had interest in entering the Russian diplomatic service”; and, according to a think-tank employee, suggested he had contacts willing to purchase classified information.

Also, the FBI and Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team continued to use Danchenko as a paid CHS even knowing his stories were fabrications. In fact, Mueller’s team was so focused on getting Trump, it completely ignored whether the Steele dossier included Russian disinformation.

Hillary Paid for Russian Disinformation Too Not only did the FBI pay for Russian disinformation, so did Clinton, and she did so to interfere in the 2016 election. The public already knew from Durham’s (failed) prosecution of Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann that the campaign paid Fusion GPS for opposition research. Fusion in turn hired Steele to dig up dirt on Trump.

That trial also revealed that Clinton personally approved pushing a smaller aspect of the Russia-collusion hoax, namely the Alfa-Bank secret communications hoax.

From yesterday’s filing we now know the primary sub-source for the Steele dossier paid for by Clinton was not merely a Russian national who fabricated the “intel,” but also a suspected Russian agent. Tuesday’s motion also highlighted the fact that longtime Clinton backer “Dolan maintained a relationship with several high-ranking Russian government officials who appear in the Steele Reports.”

So, for all her vapors over Trump’s connections with Russia and his supposed collusion with Russia to interfere in the election, the evidence shows Clinton holds that dishonor.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Sources Durham’s motion also revealed what appears to be the “tradecraft” of the spooks for hire, in the form of a February 24, 2016 email Danchenko sent his former boss, Cenk Sidar. Sidar, who ran the business intelligence firm Sidar Globak, asked Danchenko to review a report he had prepared.

After reviewing the draft, Danchenko emailed Sidar recommendations on how to improve the report, including the following suggestion: “Emphasize sources. Make them bold or CAPITALISED. The more sources the better. If you lack them, use oneself as a source (‘Istanbul-Washington-based businessman’ or whatever) to save the situation and make it look a bit better.”

The government seeks to admit this email to show that Danchenko followed a similar or “common plan” when working for Steele by creating sources “to save the situation,” such as what the prosecution maintains Danchenko did with Millian. This argument holds merit, and the trial court accordingly will likely allow Durham’s team to tell the jury about the email.

The FBI’s ‘Investigation’ Makes Maxwell Smart Look Like Jack Ryan While corruption may be a better explanation than incompetence, either way the special counsel’s brief leaves the FBI looking like fools. First, the bureau closed an investigation on a suspected Russian asset after wrongly thinking Danchenko had left the country. Then the FBI paid that suspected Russian agent to serve as a confidential human source, with Danchenko then telling agents a litany of lies, including ones that should have been obvious.

For example, as the motion highlights, Danchenko claimed to agents that Millian might be the source for the “pee-tape” info. But those allegations appeared in Steele’s report dated June 20, 2016, and Danchenko “repeatedly informed the FBI that the first and only time he allegedly communicated with Millian was late July 2016.”

“Put bluntly,” the special counsel wrote, “these facts demonstrate that the defendant could not keep his lies straight, and that the defendant engaged in a concerted effort to deceive the FBI about the sourcing (or lack thereof) of the Steele Reports.” Unless they were corrupt, this indicates the FBI agents investigating Trump were a bunch of incompetent boobs.

The special counsel’s team further exposed the incompetence (or corruption) of the FBI when it introduced the public to Bemd Kuhlen, a German citizen who served as the general manager of the Ritz-Carlton Moscow in June 2016, when the pee-tape tale was purportedly sourced. The Steele dossier described the source as “a senior (western) member of staff at the hotel.”

According to Durham, Kuhlen is prepared to testify at Danchenko’s trial that at the time he was the only “western” member of management at the hotel. Kuhlen will also testify that he never heard any story resembling Steele’s reporting until it became public and never discussed those claims with Danchenko.

If six years after the fact prosecutors could locate and question Kuhlen, the Crossfire Hurricane team could have done the same for Steele’s reporting, quickly disproving the dossier. If they wanted to, that is.

Steele Was Duped—That’s Our Story and We’re Sticking to It Yesterday’s motion revealed another unsettling fact: Prosecutors appear poised to continue with the company storyline that Steele and in turn the FBI were duped. In its motion, the government notes that Danchenko “informed Steele that he met in person with Sergei Millian on two or three occasions,” and that Danchenko “subsequently informed the FBI that he had not in fact met with Millian on any occasion.”

So, how does the special counsel address this discrepancy? Danchenko “further stated to the FBI that Steele incorrectly believed the defendant had met in-person with Millian” and that “Danchenko had not corrected Steele in that misimpression.” It was all just a big misunderstanding, folks, until Danchenko lied to the FBI.

This short section of the motion shows Durham does not intend to expose the FBI’s complicity at Danchenko’s trial. While Durham may not want to put the FBI on trial, Danchenko has made clear that he intends to. Unless the special counsel’s team acknowledges the FBI’s role in the Russia collusion hoax, Danchenko will likely score the second acquittal.

Star Witness Says, ‘No, Thanks’ To Testifying Four of the five counts against Danchenko concern Danchenko’s allegedly false statements to the FBI about a telephone conversation Danchenko claimed he had with an individual he thought was Millian. Under these circumstances, Millian would seem to be a star witness for Durham. But in the motion in limine, the special counsel revealed that Millian refuses to testify because of “concerns for his and his family’s safety (who reside abroad)” and because “he does not trust the FBI and fears being arrested if he returns to the United States.”

While “the Government has repeatedly informed Millian that it will work to ensure his security during his time in the United States, as it does with all witnesses,” Millian remains firm in his refusal. And who can blame him? Even if Durham can provide physical security for Millian, Durham doesn’t run the Department of Justice. As the recent raid on Trump’s home shows, the deep state will go to great lengths to get its enemies.

After establishing that it used its best efforts to arrange for Millian to testify at Danchenko’s trial, the government argues that because he is “unavailable,” as that term is legally understood, three emails Millian wrote to a friend are admissible, even if they are hearsay. Those emails show that a mutual acquaintance attempted to connect Millian and Danchenko and that Millian later figured out Danchenko was Steele’s source who invented the story of the phone call.

The government presents a persuasive argument that these emails should be admitted at trial, and the court will likely agree, meaning Millian’s prudent absence from the trial is unlikely to prompt an acquittal.

Strange Cyprus Things A final takeaway from yesterday’s filing stems from the special counsel’s mention of Cyprus.

“On June 10, 2016, Dolan, while in Cyprus meeting with Olga Galkina (another source for the defendant), emailed a U.S.-based acquaintance regarding efforts to assist the defendant in obtaining a U.S. visa,” the motion says. It quotes the email: “Monday night I fly to Moscow and will meet with a Russian guy who is working with me on a couple of projects. He also works for a group of former MI 6 guys in London who do intelligence for business …. [H]e owes me as his Visa is being held up and I am having a word with the Ambassador.”

The special counsel’s office included these details to establish that Danchenko had lied to the FBI about facts beyond those contained in the indictment. This helps Durham’s case by showing Danchenko’s allegedly false statements were not mere mistakes. The reference to Cyprus, however, also raises an entirely new set of questions.

In addition to Dolan’s presence in Cyprus on June 10, 2016, where he met with another of Danchenko’s sources, we have a June 1, 2016 email to President Obama’s undersecretary for State Victoria Nuland noting that “Kathleen [Kavalec] is recommending [she] look at the first 10 days of July for a Cyprus trip.” Nuland made the trip on July 12, 2016.

On July 1, 2016, Steele emailed the DOJ’s Bruce Ohr, noting that Steele was traveling to Cyprus with his family on holiday from July 9 to 16, 2016.

Nuland’s presence in Cyprus at the same time as Steele seems a tad too coincidental to ignore. After all, Nuland, who “served as Kavalec’s boss at the bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, was the government official who approved an FBI agent in Rome meeting Steele in early July 2016.” Steele would later also meet with Kavalec in D.C. in October 2016 about his Trump reporting. Jonathan Winer, who knew Steele since 2009 and reportedly met with Steele in the Summer of 2016, appears to have arranged the Steele-Kavalec meeting.

The overlapping players and timeframe demand answers. Did Steele meet with Nuland in Cyprus? If so, was Steele alerted to Nuland’s travel plans? What did the duo discuss? Did Steele or Nuland meet with Dolan or the Cyprus sub-source?

While Cyprus may well be a guy, the FBI launched a full investigation into Trump’s presidential campaign on less.

It’s extremely unlikely that Danchenko’s trial will answer any of these Cyprus questions. But future filings and the anticipated week-plus trial may fill in some of the other Spygate blanks.

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Margot Cleveland is The Federalist's senior legal correspondent. She is also a contributor to National Review Online, the Washington Examiner, Aleteia, and Townhall.com, and has been published in the Wall Street Journal and USA Today. Cleveland is a lawyer and a graduate of the Notre Dame Law School, where she earned the Hoynes Prize—the law school’s highest honor. She later served for nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk for a federal appellate judge on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Cleveland is a former full-time university faculty member and now teaches as an adjunct from time to time. As a stay-at-home homeschooling mom of a young son with cystic fibrosis, Cleveland frequently writes on cultural issues related to parenting and special-needs children. Cleveland is on Twitter at @ProfMJCleveland. The views expressed here are those of Cleveland in her private capacity.

This thread is about the Mara Lardo raid.  Keep up.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 14, 2022, 05:35:05 PM
This thread is about the Mara Lardo raid.  Keep up.

I was waiting for you to say that…it has everything to do with it, dipshit
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2022, 04:41:00 PM
I was waiting for you to say that…it has everything to do with it, dipshit

Everyday you simply make it a goal to remind us that you are retarded.  Just like this. 

How’s that FBI planted evidence coming along?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 16, 2022, 10:45:53 PM
Everyday you simply make it a goal to remind us that you are retarded.  Just like this. 

How’s that FBI planted evidence coming along?

Coming along great. And every day you make it a goal to make a complete ass if yourself. Just like before Trump was elected in 2016 then you disappeared
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2022, 01:10:06 AM
Trump says he declassified EVERY official document found at Mar-a-Lago and claims charging him with a crime would 'tear this country apart'
Trump told Hugh Hewitt on his radio show he did no wrong and the Department of Justice would have absolutely no reason to indict him
'There is no reason that they can be other than if they are just sick and deranged, which is always possible,' he said
The former president warned of unrest if he were to be indicted: 'The people would not stand for it'
By MORGAN PHILLIPS, POLITICS REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED:  15 September 2022
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11216389/Trump-refuses-say-intentionally-took-government-records-Mar-Lago.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 17, 2022, 04:30:04 AM
Has anything happened with this yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 17, 2022, 08:30:09 AM
Has anything happened with this yet?
Another dead end bullshit story for the media to pump on air 24/7 to continue to tarnish Trumps name to make it more difficult for him to run in 2024. The media has turned this guy into some sort of martyr. How people cannot see this is beyond me.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: residue on September 17, 2022, 11:08:24 AM
If Biden does this, he learned it from Trump who supposedly flushed so many documents down the toilet it screwed up the plumbing a lot of the time.
it's remarkable that the white house still use toilet paper, why are americans obsessed with wiping peanut butter into a carpet? a bidet is 200 on amazon and it comes with a dryer
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 17, 2022, 11:11:44 AM
If Biden does this, he learned it from Trump who supposedly flushed so many documents down the toilet it screwed up the plumbing a lot of the time.

Where Did He learn His Kiddie Sniffing & Paedophilia from ??
Clinton ? Obuma ? Epstien ?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 17, 2022, 12:38:11 PM
Trump says he declassified EVERY official document found at Mar-a-Lago and claims charging him with a crime would 'tear this country apart'
Trump told Hugh Hewitt on his radio show he did no wrong and the Department of Justice would have absolutely no reason to indict him
'There is no reason that they can be other than if they are just sick and deranged, which is always possible,' he said
The former president warned of unrest if he were to be indicted: 'The people would not stand for it'
By MORGAN PHILLIPS, POLITICS REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED:  15 September 2022
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11216389/Trump-refuses-say-intentionally-took-government-records-Mar-Lago.html

Seems like yet another call to arms.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 17, 2022, 12:41:42 PM
Another dead end bullshit story for the media to pump on air 24/7 to continue to tarnish Trumps name to make it more difficult for him to run in 2024. The media has turned this guy into some sort of martyr. How people cannot see this is beyond me.

Martyrs are respected by their followers, becoming symbols of exceptional leadership and heroism in the face of difficult circumstances.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 17, 2022, 01:04:48 PM
Where Did He learn His Kiddie Sniffing & Paedophilia from ??
Clinton ? Obuma ? Epstien ?

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106074403-1565623685272preview.jpg?v=1565623698&w=740&h=416&ffmt=webp)

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/25/nbc-archive-footage-shows-trump-partying-with-jeffrey-epstein-in-1992.html

(https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/51043131/Donald-Trump-Out-On-The-Town-With-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Photo--Arnaldo-Mag/960x0.jpg?height=1047&width=711&fit=bounds)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ekz8fc7XYAEjR8c.jpg)

(https://i.insider.com/5d2e26b8bda95f00315fc9c2?width=700)


Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 17, 2022, 01:07:18 PM
Martyrs are respected by their followers, becoming symbols of exceptional leadership and heroism in the face of difficult circumstances.
Thanks to your evil liberal objective, Trump will become a martyr and will be influential long after his death.
Thanks liberal media! ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 17, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
Coming along great. And every day you make it a goal to make a complete ass if yourself. Just like before Trump was elected in 2016 then you disappeared

I’ve never disappeared.  Once again you are making shit up to cope with reality. 

How hard do you retard?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 17, 2022, 04:43:39 PM
Seems like yet another call to arms.

None of the three crimes they are investigating actually require the documents to be classified or not.  :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 17, 2022, 07:12:03 PM
(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106074403-1565623685272preview.jpg?v=1565623698&w=740&h=416&ffmt=webp)

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/25/nbc-archive-footage-shows-trump-partying-with-jeffrey-epstein-in-1992.html

(https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/51043131/Donald-Trump-Out-On-The-Town-With-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Photo--Arnaldo-Mag/960x0.jpg?height=1047&width=711&fit=bounds)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ekz8fc7XYAEjR8c.jpg)

(https://i.insider.com/5d2e26b8bda95f00315fc9c2?width=700)

Obviously you didn’t keep up. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 17, 2022, 07:12:53 PM
I’ve never disappeared.  Once again you are making shit up to cope with reality. 

How hard do you retard?

Mmmmm….yes, you did and it’s the reason why you don’t make yourself known on here with the exception of a board name and a gimmick or two
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 17, 2022, 07:57:17 PM
Mmmmm….yes, you did and it’s the reason why you don’t make yourself known on here with the exception of a board name and a gimmick or two

Come on Coach , We know his Fragile mind Needed his Counsellor & Quiet Room,
Like so Many LibTurd's Did.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on September 17, 2022, 08:49:08 PM
Come on Coach , We know his Fragile mind Needed his Counsellor & Quiet Room,
Like so Many LibTurd's Did.

Yup.  Here's a photo of LNM, feeling terrified and violated to his very core, he is coiled up in the typical liberal way:  The Fecal Position.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyVSjm2r.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 17, 2022, 10:08:15 PM
Yup.  Here's a photo of LNM, feeling terrified and violated to his very core, he is coiled up in the typical liberal way:  The Fecal Position.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyVSjm2r.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

Says the half invalid that probably won’t live to see next year.

The good news is that is the light at the end of the tunnel for the rest of your family.  They don’t have to shoulder the burden of babysitting a self loathing cripple anymore.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 17, 2022, 10:10:28 PM
Mmmmm….yes, you did and it’s the reason why you don’t make yourself known on here with the exception of a board name and a gimmick or two

I don’t have a gimmick. Nor any previous accounts. This has been confirmed and explained to you by both chaos and OMR.  It must be painful to realize that more than one person believes you are a retard. 

You are not a smart person by any means.  I can understand why something so simple can be confusing.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on September 18, 2022, 06:24:25 AM
I don’t have a gimmick. Nor any previous accounts. This has been confirmed and explained to you by both chaos and OMR.  It must be painful to realize that more than one person believes you are a retard. 

You are not a smart person by any means.  I can understand why something so simple can be confusing.

pretty rich coming from a "loser in life" who gets their only sexual gratification from being humiliated numerous times a day. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2022, 08:57:02 AM
Yup.  Here's a photo of LNM, feeling terrified and violated to his very core, he is coiled up in the typical liberal way:  The Fecal Position.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyVSjm2r.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
LoserSomeMore would never post a pic or vid of himself, he would be embarrassed beyond recovery here.  ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 18, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
LoserSomeMore would never post a pic or vid of himself, he would be embarrassed beyond recovery here.  ;)

That picture has better ankles than you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 18, 2022, 11:10:32 AM
pretty rich coming from a "loser in life" who gets their only sexual gratification from being humiliated numerous times a day.

My stalker seems to have gotten spelling lessons.  So cute.

Did you pay your dues this month to my fan club?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2022, 04:38:52 PM
That picture has better ankles than you.
And I have better ankles than you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2022, 04:51:39 PM
None of the three crimes they are investigating actually require the documents to be classified or not.  :D

-Not sure what this has to do with Trump's implied threats of violence. Please explain.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 18, 2022, 08:32:39 PM
-Not sure what this has to do with Trump's implied threats of violence. Please explain.

I guess you didn’t hear Biden’s speech a couple of weeks ago or see this….of course you didn’t

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/09/13/tim-ryan-we-need-to-kill-and-confront-extremist-republican-movement/

Or this

https://www.foxnews.com/media/sen-hirono-blasted-call-arms-response-abortion-bill-sounds-calling-violence

Let me know if you want me to keep going

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on September 19, 2022, 04:07:14 AM
Phony document riddled with spelling and syntax errors mysteriously appeared on Mar-a-Lago court docket

Sept. 17, 2022

The document remained late Thursday on the court docket, but it is a clear fabrication. A review of dozens of court records and interviews by the Associated Press suggest the document originated with a serial forger behind bars at a federal prison complex in North Carolina.

The incident also suggests that the court clerk was easily tricked into believing it was real, landing the document on the public docket in the Mar-a-Lago search warrant case. It also highlights the vulnerability of the U.S. court system and raises questions about the court’s vetting of documents that purport to be official records.

The AP is not identifying the inmate by name because he has a documented history of mental illness and has not been charged with a crime related to the filing.
“There is simply nothing indicating that he has any authorization to act on behalf of the United States,” the judge in the Georgia case wrote.

But despite the clear warning signs — including a stamp noting the Georgia case number on the phony warrants — the filing still made its way onto the docket.

Spokespeople for the Justice Department and the Treasury Department would not comment. They declined to answer on the record when asked if the document was false and why the government had not addressed it.

Representatives in the court clerk’s office and the magistrate judge overseeing the search warrant case did not respond to requests for comment.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/phony-document-riddled-with-spelling-and-syntax-errors-mysteriously-appeared-on-mar-a-lago-court-docket-01663364870?siteid=yhoof2
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
And I have better ankles than you.

Only for an aspiring lesbian Birkenstock model.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 10:27:22 AM
-Not sure what this has to do with Trump's implied threats of violence. Please explain.

The last call to arms was over the lie of stolen elections. 
The current call to arms is over the lie that he had declassified the documents that lead to the raid.

They can’t seem to have a call to arms over truth or factual things.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2022, 10:30:20 AM
The last call to arms was over the lie of stolen elections. 
The current call to arms is over the lie that he had declassified the documents that lead to the raid.

They can’t seem to have a call to arms over truth or factual things.

Remember when all the libs claimed 2016 was stolen?    . . . . . . . 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Remember when all the libs claimed 2016 was stolen?    . . . . . . .

I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.

Read this today in the New York Times, 'When asked, six Trump-backed Republican nominees for governor and the Senate in midterm battlegrounds would not commit to accepting this year’s election results, and another six Republicans ignored or declined to answer a question about embracing the November outcome. All of them, along with many other G.O.P. candidates, have pre-emptively cast doubt on how their states count votes.' Is this a sore losers epidemic?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.

Read this today in the New York Times, 'When asked, six Trump-backed Republican nominees for governor and the Senate in midterm battlegrounds would not commit to accepting this year’s election results, and another six Republicans ignored or declined to answer a question about embracing the November outcome. All of them, along with many other G.O.P. candidates, have pre-emptively cast doubt on how their states count votes.' Is this a sore losers epidemic?

So its legit when libs question an election but not conservatives?  Got it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2022, 01:41:40 PM
So its legit when libs question an election but not conservatives?  Got it.

Is that what you took from my post? IMO, it is legit for anyone who cares to, to question election results. What is not okay for folks to do, is to have a civil war over it.

Some folks take what is posted here far too seriously and worse, they read into other's posts things that were not said. So, I posted an excerpt from the New York Times. I did not say if I agreed with it or not. Some stuff is just informational. Not everything needs to be argued.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2022, 01:49:57 PM
Is that what you took from my post? IMO, it is legit for anyone who cares to, to question election results. What is not okay for folks to do, is to have a civil war over it.

Some folks take what is posted here far too seriously and worse, they read into other's posts things that were not said. So, I posted an excerpt from the New York Times. I did not say if I agreed with it or not. Some stuff is just informational. Not everything has to be argued.   

The ones talking about civil war on TV are liberals mainly. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
The ones talking about civil war on TV are liberals mainly.

This might be true. I don't watch much TV and very rarely the news beyond local news. Last night I watched an episode of Gardener's World on Britbox. No political views were discussed. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 19, 2022, 01:59:32 PM
This might be true. I don't watch much TV and very rarely the news beyond local news. Last night I watched an episode of Gardener's World on Britbox. No political views were discussed.

Watch Cobra Kai Season 5 was excellent for the same reason. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2022, 02:08:27 PM
Watch Cobra Kai Season 5 was excellent for the same reason.

That's great! No doubt many Getbiggers are not who they seem to be when posting here. By this I mean that I hope they aren't. There is an overabundance of negativity on these boards in my opinion.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on September 19, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
That's great! No doubt many Getbiggers are not who they seem to be when posting here. By this I mean that I hope they aren't. There is an overabundance of negativity on these boards in my opinion.

That is politics in general these days.

Republicans and Democrats should be uniting on free speech, big tech corruption, journalistic integrity, secure borders, strong foreign policy, and getting inflation under control.

Instead it's all about scoring political points.

I know both sides suck, but I firmly blame the left for starting us down this path, due to their actions based on utter shock of losing in 2016.  They attacked day one, never stopped, and now we have this.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: deadz on September 19, 2022, 02:50:23 PM
That's great! No doubt many Getbiggers are not who they seem to be when posting here. By this I mean that I hope they aren't. There is an overabundance of negativity on these boards in my opinion.
Don't like it get lost you whiney c ocksucking flamer!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on September 19, 2022, 02:54:42 PM
My stalker seems to have gotten spelling lessons.  So cute.

Did you pay your dues this month to my fan club?

of course you think its cute, you vile PedoCuck...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on September 19, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
This might be true. I don't watch much TV and very rarely the news beyond local news. Last night I watched an episode of Gardener's World on Britbox. No political views were discussed.

watch redemption and screw, two good series...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 19, 2022, 05:50:03 PM
I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.


Did she though? At least that's what your tv told you right? Same tv that said Bitem got 81 million votes. ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 06:52:50 PM
of course you think its cute, you vile PedoCuck...

Try harder.  Or I’ll reject your fan club application
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 19, 2022, 07:25:39 PM
Did she though? At least that's what your tv told you right? Same tv that said Bitem got 81 million votes. ::)

Yes, she did.  As did Biden.  Did my TV tell me that?  No, all the Republican secretaries of state that ratified the results told me that. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 19, 2022, 07:31:31 PM
Yes, she did.  As did Biden.  Did my TV tell me that?  No, all the Republican secretaries of state that ratified the results told me that.

Biden got no more than 50…maybe 55 mil votes if that.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 19, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
Biden got no more than 50…maybe 55 mil votes if that.

I am not going down the rabbit hole with you Coach.  I like and respect you too much to sully our internet friendship.   ;D

On the other hand, if Chaos is reading this, he can fuck off.  Just kidding Chaos. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 19, 2022, 07:43:26 PM
I am not going down the rabbit hole with you Coach.  I like and respect you too much to sully our internet friendship.   ;D

On the other hand, if Chaos is reading this, he can fuck off.  Just kidding Chaos.

I won’t brother. I’ll respect that
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 08:20:21 PM
Yes, she did.  As did Biden.  Did my TV tell me that?  No, all the Republican secretaries of state that ratified the results told me that.

Bam!    A punch to the mouth by reality.  Now here comes the lies and spin…..
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 08:21:27 PM
Biden got no more than 50…maybe 55 mil votes if that.

History
The recounts
The EC
The AG
The SC

and more all say differently.   But that’s because they don’t live in LaLa Land like you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2022, 08:23:32 PM
The latest Team Whining now is Trumpy is upset the agents didn’t take their shoes off. 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2022, 11:20:36 PM
Seems like yet another call to arms.

Your takeaway from that article is some innocuous comment about a call to arms, and not the fact Trump declassified everything in his possession.  Figures.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2022, 11:22:38 PM
I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.


No she didn't, because there was no popular vote contest.  She did receive more overall votes, but her entire "popular vote" spread came from California, where Trump didn't even campaign.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2022, 11:24:40 PM
None of the three crimes they are investigating actually require the documents to be classified or not.  :D

Doesn't matter.  The POTUS has the sole power and discretion to determine what are personal and/or presidential records. 

This is almost as stupid as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on September 20, 2022, 10:09:14 AM
I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.


Okay as you are an Expert on American Elections - Please tell me What
is The Deciding part In The Elections - As in what Has to be Won ?

Are the Elections decided on Electoral college votes or Not.?
or is The President Elected Directly by People Votes ?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 20, 2022, 10:29:48 AM
History
The recounts
The EC
The AG
The SC

and more all say differently.   But that’s because they don’t live in LaLa Land like you.

Lol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 20, 2022, 11:07:37 AM
History
The recounts
The EC
The AG
The SC

and more all say differently.   But that’s because they don’t live in LaLa Land like you.
Yet there’s still audits still going on proving them wrong
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
Doesn't matter.  The POTUS has the sole power and discretion to determine what are personal and/or presidential records. 

This is almost as stupid as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.

It does matter.  If it didn’t, then Trumpys attorneys would not be fighting to avoid stating whether the documents found were declassified or not. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 11:11:51 AM
Yet there’s still audits still going on proving them wrong

Like Cyber Ninjas?   Please show us the evidence of this being proved wrong.  Hahahhaahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 20, 2022, 11:32:14 AM
Like Cyber Ninjas?   Please show us the evidence of this being proved wrong.  Hahahhaahaha

I have countless times
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2022, 11:51:49 AM
It does matter.  If it didn’t, then Trumpys attorneys would not be fighting to avoid stating whether the documents found were declassified or not.

They are making two arguments:  (1) he declassififed the documents, which he had the absolute authority to do and (2) he had the absolute authority to determine whether the documents were personal and/or presidential records.  Both are correct.  So no, it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 03:57:04 PM
They are making two arguments:  (1) he declassififed the documents, which he had the absolute authority to do and (2) he had the absolute authority to determine whether the documents were personal and/or presidential records.  Both are correct.  So no, it doesn't matter.

If it didn’t matter they would not be avoiding stating where the docs were declassified or not.

Moot issue since the three laws they are investigating if he broke have no dependency on whether they are classified or not.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 03:57:39 PM
I have countless times


CTs and bullshit are not evidence. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 04:49:00 PM
Put up or shut up time. 

Everybody wants to claim Trumpy declassified these documents but no one wants to say so under oath.   Hahahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 20, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
Did she though? At least that's what your tv told you right? Same tv that said Bitem got 81 million votes. ::)

Tell me, how many votes do you think Biden got?  And now show us all proof that you are right. Inuendo is not proof, I say this just in case that is what you planned to use as proof. BTW the majority of American folks both voters and non-voters believe that Biden got 81 million votes or if they don't know the exact number, at least the majority.

It is interesting how a Getbig moderator (you), who is unknown to all but a couple of people in the U.S., thinks he knows more than millions of other people and he should be trusted to be more accurate and honest then they are. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 05:18:03 PM
Tell me, how many votes do you think Biden got?  And now show us all proof that you are right. Inuendo is not proof, I say this just in case that is what you planned to use as proof. BTW the majority of American folks both voters and non-voters believe that Biden got 81 million votes or if they don't know the exact number, at least the majority.

It is interesting how a Getbig moderator (you), who is unknown to all but a couple of people in the U.S., thinks he knows more than millions of other people and he should be trusted to be more accurate and honest then they are.

But the on going audits……. (Which proved nothing)
But the lawsuits (60+ for Trumpy that all failed)
But the evidence that MyPillow and Kraken has ( that they refused to release)



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 20, 2022, 05:24:11 PM
Put up or shut up time. 

Everybody wants to claim Trumpy declassified these documents but no one wants to say so under oath.   Hahahahaha

I just finished reading a couple of articles regarding this very issue. Trump's legal team recommended Judge Dearie as the special master. Trump appointed Judge Cannon agreed as did the Department of Justice folks who are involved in this case. Now it appears unlike some of Trump's picks, Judge Dearie may be ethical and honest. How very interesting!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2022, 05:49:14 PM
I just finished reading a couple of articles regarding this very issue. Trump's legal team recommended Judge Dearie as the special master. Trump appointed Judge Cannon agreed as did the Department of Justice folks who are involved in this case. Now it appears unlike some of Trump's picks, Judge Dearie may be ethical and honest. How very interesting!

Which of his picks are unethical and dishonest? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 06:09:42 PM
Which of his picks are unethical and dishonest?

Everyone that got tired of his shit.  Or doesn’t buy into the Big Lie. Well according to Trumpy they are or just “losers”.

Pence
Barr
Sessions
Cohen
Flynn
Etc etc etc
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
[quote author =Primemuscle link=topic=680386.msg9856723#msg9856723 date=1663719851]
I just finished     reading a couple of articles regarding this very issue. Trump's legal team recommended Judge Dearie as the special master. Trump appointed Judge Cannon agreed as did the Department of Justice folks who are involved in this case. Now it appears unlike some of Trump's picks, Judge Dearie may be ethical and honest. How very interesting!
[/quote]

But the docs are declassified.  Trumpy said so.   ::)

It’s a very simple.  If they are declassified then just say so.  ;D

What’s the big deal?   ;D



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 20, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Yes, she did.  As did Biden.  Did my TV tell me that?  No, all the Republican secretaries of state that ratified the results told me that.
Who told them that? Ratified results from a manipulated electronic voting machine abused by people with no ID? The whole system needs an overhaul by the people, for the people.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 20, 2022, 06:22:23 PM
Who told them that? Ratified results from a manipulated electronic voting machine abused by people with no ID? The whole system needs an overhaul by the people, for the people.

Ok.  To play on your level.  The Russians manipulated all the voting machines in 2016 and sent illegal English speaking Russians to cast votes for Trump.  If 2016 was free and fair, Hillary would have had 87 million votes.   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 20, 2022, 06:25:30 PM
Ok.  To play on your level.  The Russians manipulated all the voting machines in 2016 and sent illegal English speaking Russians to cast votes for Trump.  If 2016 was free and fair, Hillary would have had 87 million votes.   ::)
Cool, was that the same Russians that manipulated the machines to get rid of Bernie so Obama could win?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 20, 2022, 06:27:51 PM
Cool, was that the same Russians that manipulated the machines to get rid of Bernie so Obama could win?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Bernie being in the picture for POTUS in either 2008 or 2012.  But to answer your question hypotheically, yes it must have been the same Russians.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 20, 2022, 06:29:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Bernie being in the picture for POTUS in either 2008 or 2012.  But to answer your question hypotheically, yes it must have been the same Russians.
Of course he wasn't, the Russians knocked him out in the primaries so they could put their puppet Obama in there. ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 20, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
But the docs are declassified.  Trumpy said so.   ::)

It’s a very simple.  If they are declassified then just say so.  ;D

What’s the big deal?   ;D

Is he still publicly saying they were declassified? Are his attorneys saying they were to a judge in a court of law? You and I know the answer to this and I think we agree that they are staying mum or talking around the subject. Also, whether they were or not is probably a moot point, since classified or declassified they aren't Trump's documents to keep in his residence which is currently just luxury hotel where he has his living quarters, and with who knows who coming and going.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 06:38:16 PM
It was the Chinese thermostats obviously.   ::)

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 20, 2022, 06:39:21 PM
Of course he wasn't, the Russians knocked him out in the primaries so they could put their puppet Obama in there. ;)

That's good.  Let's go with it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 06:41:16 PM
Is he still publicly saying they were declassified? Are his attorneys saying they were to a judge in a court of law? You and I know the answer to this and I think we agree that they are staying mum or talking around the subject. Also, whether they were or not is probably a moot point, since classified or declassified they aren't Trump's documents to keep in his residence which is currently just luxury hotel where he has his living quarters, and with who knows who coming and going.

They aren’t saying anything.    Hahahaha.  Obviously they don’t have much faith in their client telling the truth.  The judge wants them to say under oath that Trumpy declassified the documents but they won’t do it. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 20, 2022, 06:47:51 PM
They aren’t saying anything.    Hahahaha.  Obviously they don’t have much faith in their client telling the truth.  The judge wants them to say under oath that Trumpy declassified the documents but they won’t do it.

Judge Dearie holding their feet to the fire.  ;) The old 'delay and it will go away' tactic doesn't seem to be working this time... about time!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 06:54:40 PM
Judge Dearie holding their feet to the fire.  ;) The old 'delay and it will go away' tactic doesn't seem to be working this time... about time!

They are still trying to muddy the waters. 

Damn liberal activist special master.  Oh wait…
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2022, 07:24:35 PM
Everyone that got tired of his shit.  Or doesn’t buy into the Big Lie. Well according to Trumpy they are or just “losers”.

Pence
Barr
Sessions
Cohen
Flynn
Etc etc etc

Cohen wasn't an appointee and he is the only dishonest person on your list.  But I doubt Prime was referring to any of them.  Sounds like he was making some veiled reference to the judge. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2022, 07:47:58 PM
For anyone quoting Barr on either side, this is worth a read to see where the man really stands:

https://www.commonsense.news/p/bill-barr-calls-bullsht?triedSigningIn=true

One snippet stands out, as he was able to separate reality from all the bullshit that came with the former President:

Quote
BW: Okay. Did you ever consider resigning from your post because of something you were asked to do?

AG BARR: No. I considered resigning from my post because it was such a pain in the ass. Trump’s tweeting and so forth was such a pain in the ass because it gave the left an opportunity to argue that I was doing things because Trump wanted them done that way. I kept on telling him not to tweet about the Department of Justice. But he never told me to do anything that I would resign over.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 10:07:32 PM
Cohen wasn't an appointee and he is the only dishonest person on your list.  But I doubt Prime was referring to any of them.  Sounds like he was making some veiled reference to the judge.

Appointed/hired it’s all the same really in Trumpworld. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
For anyone quoting Barr on either side, this is worth a read to see where the man really stands:

https://www.commonsense.news/p/bill-barr-calls-bullsht?triedSigningIn=true

One snippet stands out, as he was able to separate reality from all the bullshit that came with the former President:

From the link:

AG BARR: I think it ended with Bob Mueller’s testimony over the summer of 2020. It really collapsed at that point. I’ve been surprised that the mainstream media and the people who fanned this to the point of hysteria haven’t come back to say: “Yeah, there was a big lie in 2016 that has hurt the country and distorted our politics and foreign policy throughout the Trump administration. It was unjust. It was wrong. And we made a mistake.” Very few, if any, have come out to say that.

He is referring to people like this:

I remember. Still not convinced it wasn't stolen or manipulated. Afterall Hilary did win the popular vote. Imagine the hullabaloo if the reverse had happened and Trump won the popular vote and still lost the electoral vote.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 20, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
Appointed/hired it’s all the same really in Trumpworld.

Yeah who cares about the facts.  Just spew partisan nonsense.  Doesn't matter if it's factual.  So long as it hurts orange man, it's all good.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2022, 10:23:10 PM
Yeah who cares about the facts.  Just spew partisan nonsense.  Doesn't matter if it's factual.  So long as it hurts orange man, it's all good.

Trumpism 101.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 21, 2022, 12:10:56 AM
Cohen wasn't an appointee and he is the only dishonest person on your list.  But I doubt Prime was referring to any of them.  Sounds like he was making some veiled reference to the judge.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but you are dead wrong. Although the judge is surely getting a lot of flack regarding her decision, I am not going to question why she ruled the way she did.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but you are dead wrong. Although the judge is surely getting a lot of flack regarding her decision, I am not going to question why she ruled the way she did.

Which picks are you talking about here?

I just finished reading a couple of articles regarding this very issue. Trump's legal team recommended Judge Dearie as the special master. Trump appointed Judge Cannon agreed as did the Department of Justice folks who are involved in this case. Now it appears unlike some of Trump's picks, Judge Dearie may be ethical and honest. How very interesting!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
So nowwwww.......    :D   Trumpy wants to throw out a new lie that he didn't even have to say the documents were declassified, he only had to think it.

This gets better and better.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2022, 06:15:47 PM
FBI planted evidence?  PROVE IT says the special master.   hahahhahahaaha  Sets a Sept 30 deadline for proof to be presented.   ;D

Trumpy has watched the Margo Lardo security camera footage and has not pointed out anything to back up his claims that the FBI planted evidence.  Why is this not surprising?  Because he lies, obviously.  Nor has his attorney made any mention of planted evidence in their court filings.

But yet Trumpturds cling to this lie that they were fed and hold onto hope that it is going to turn out to be true.  For once.

Ain't happening.

But cue in the deflection, distraction, denial and off point talking attempts from the usual 'tards on here in their replies.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 22, 2022, 06:59:39 PM
So nowwwww.......    :D   Trumpy wants to throw out a new lie that he didn't even have to say the documents were declassified, he only had to think it.

This gets better and better.

Yes it does.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 22, 2022, 07:15:00 PM
Telepathic declassification.  And Biden is slipping.    ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 22, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
Telepathic declassification.  And Biden is slipping.    ::)
Mandatory retirement age for politicians sounds pretty good doesn't it? I mean, you wouldn't be able to ogle Aunt Nancys jugs any more but we also wouldn't have to deal with out of touch senile old coots running our country.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 22, 2022, 09:14:27 PM
Mandatory retirement age for politicians sounds pretty good doesn't it? I mean, you wouldn't be able to ogle Aunt Nancys jugs any more but we also wouldn't have to deal with out of touch senile old coots running our country.

Might be something we agree on. Minor detail but I believe when we're talking about tits, there should be two g's in juggs. 😉
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM
How about that 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.    ;D


Two Trumpy appointed judges dropping the hammer on that nonsense?   Why, that was almost as much fun as watching the Trumpy picked special master telling Trumpy & Co that they needed to provide evidence of this "declassification" and that they better show proof of the FBI planting things. 

Not a good week for Trumpy and his Trumpturds.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 24, 2022, 03:24:39 PM
Mandatory retirement age for politicians sounds pretty good doesn't it? I mean, you wouldn't be able to ogle Aunt Nancys jugs any more but we also wouldn't have to deal with out of touch senile old coots running our country.

I don't disagree with you about age related retirement for politicians, but it is up to the voters to decide who gets voted in and who doesn't. The term limits for the house is 2 years and for the Senate it is 6 years. Pelosi is up for reelection in this year. Do you think the people will vote for her again?

These are the 6 oldest Senators. Dianne Feinstein (D) 89, Chuck Grassley (R) 88, Richard Shelby (R) 88, Jim Inhofe (R) 87, Patrick Leahy (D) 82, and Bernie Sanders (I) 80. Three of them are retiring in 2024. Two of them have yet to announce their plans and Chuck Grassley (R) is running for reelection.

In the House the six oldest Representatives are: Don   Young (R) 87, Eddie Bernice Johnson (D) 85, Alcee Hastings   (D) 84, Grace Napolitano (D) 84, Bill Pascrell (D) 84, and Hal Rogers (R) 83
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 24, 2022, 03:35:15 PM
why do we keep electing geriatrics
 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/congress-age/index.html   (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/congress-age/index.html)

Because fewer people are willing to run for public office these days.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 24, 2022, 05:58:17 PM
https://twitter.com/atx_patriot/status/1573407695696441344?s=46&t=fjh_t-jLN7KlDMOYllr_kA

Declassified three years ago
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 25, 2022, 05:12:33 PM
https://twitter.com/atx_patriot/status/1573407695696441344?s=46&t=fjh_t-jLN7KlDMOYllr_kA

Declassified three years ago

Hope the documents aren't date stamped... He could add that he declassified them "just by thinking about it" But then how does one think about declassifying a document that didn't exist 3 years ago? Trump the great psychic déclassifier. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 25, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
Hope the documents aren't date stamped... He could add that he declassified them "just by thinking about it" But then how does one think about declassifying a document that didn't exist 3 years ago? Trump the great psychic déclassifier.

The left says they’re right and the right says they’re right. Who has the history of being “right”?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 26, 2022, 08:38:26 AM
The left says they’re right and the right says they’re right. Who has the history of being “right”?

Not you.  So smart money is on the opposite of what you think.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 26, 2022, 09:19:25 AM
Hope the documents aren't date stamped... He could add that he declassified them "just by thinking about it" But then how does one think about declassifying a document that didn't exist 3 years ago? Trump the great psychic déclassifier.

Wonder if he was psychic enough to know that his lawyers would not bring this claim up in court or just completely avoid stating if the documents were declassified or not.   Or if the special master was going to be charging him $500 an hour.  LOL.   Better send out more grifting emails for the supporters to pony up and pay for this.   :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2022, 12:14:19 PM
FBI Changes Total Number of Documents Seized From Trump’s Estate
Epoch Times ^ | September 26, 2022 | By Zachary Stieber
Posted on 9/27/2022, 2:33:01 PM


The FBI on Sept. 26 changed the total number of documents it said it seized from former President Donald Trump’s estate.

Sixty-three additional documents or photographs without classification markings were taken from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort than previously listed by the FBI, according to an updated inventory list.

The revised inventory was submitted to the federal court in southern Florida on orders from U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie, a Reagan appointee who was inserted into the case as a special master, or an independent third party to handle disputes and other matters.

Dearie ordered a government official “with sufficient knowledge of the matter” to submit a declaration or affidavit stating whether the detailed property inventory released on Sept. 2 “represents the full and accurate extent of the property seized from” Trump’s home in August when FBI agents executed a search warrant there.

An FBI supervisory special agent, whose name was redacted, fulfilled the order. The agent, based in Washington, said he or she leads a squad of special agents, intelligence analysts, and other personnel in carrying out counterintelligence and espionage investigations, and that their team executed the warrant.

The earlier inventory was performed by the agent and workers under their direction but, wanting to make sure the inventory was accurate, “I and FBI personnel working under my direction conducted an additional review and recount of the Seized materials in order to make this declaration,” the agent told Dearie.

That resulted in some “minor revisions,” the agent acknowledged.

SCRIBD DOCUMENT AT LINK...........

An Epoch Times review of the earlier and current inventory list showed the differences included 63 non-classified documents or photographs being added to the total the FBI said it seized. Additionally, the new list contains two fewer magazines/newspapers/press articles and two fewer empty folders with “CLASSIFIED” banners.

Some of the boxes seized from Trump’s home were said to contain more documents now; others were said to contain fewer.

The update, if accurate, means the government seized over 11,200 non-classified materials from Mar-a-Lago.

The agent said he or she declared, under the penalty of perjury, that they were “not aware of” any documents or other materials seized from Trump’s home that are not listed in the updated inventory, with the exception of materials taken by the government’s filter team.

That squad was focused on identifying and segregating materials they thought could fall under attorney-client privilege.

A spokesman for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The updated inventory excludes documents marked classified, based on a recent appeals court order that blocked Dearie and Trump’s lawyers from reviewing the said documents. The earlier inventory listed 103 documents with classification markings.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 27, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
The left says they’re right and the right says they’re right. Who has the history of being “right”?

Right about what?

Relevance?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 27, 2022, 04:25:29 PM
Hahahahahahah.  The $3 Million lawyer that Trumpy hired to lead the defense has now been benched. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 28, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
Right about what?

Relevance?

Almost everything…
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on September 28, 2022, 11:07:13 AM
Hahahahahahah.  The $3 Million lawyer that Trumpy hired to lead the defense has now been benched.

Bet he didn't get paid a dime. You know, the art of the steal.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 28, 2022, 11:19:19 AM
Bet he didn't get paid a dime. You know, the art of the steal.

And Trumpy spent so much time looking.  And hired the guy he saw on tv.....
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on September 28, 2022, 12:01:28 PM
Almost everything…

In your post you asked the question, who has the history of being “right”?

The answer is that no one person and certainly no political group is historically right about "almost everything." Throughout history, everyone is right some of the time and wrong at other times.
 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 28, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
And lil Trumpy is still complaining.   :D   hahahaha

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Trump Got the Special Master He Wanted. Now He Has Complaints.

Donald Trump got the court-ordered review he wanted of documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago home as well as his preferred pick for a so-called special master to carry it out. But less than a month in, the former president has complaints about how that review is taking shape.

Trump’s lawyers lodged objections this week to US District Senior Judge Raymond Dearie’s proposal for how his work as special master will proceed over the next few months, according to a summary by Justice Department lawyers in a Sept. 27 court filing. Among other things, Trump objected to Dearie’s request that his legal team verify the government’s inventory of what exactly agents seized during the August search and how Dearie had categorized various privilege issues he’d be looking for.

Trump’s lawyers lodged objections this week to US District Senior Judge Raymond Dearie’s proposal for how his work as special master will proceed over the next few months, according to a summary by Justice Department lawyers in a Sept. 27 court filing. Among other things, Trump objected to Dearie’s request that his legal team verify the government’s inventory of what exactly agents seized during the August search and how Dearie had categorized various privilege issues he’d be looking for.

The Justice Department pushed back on Trump’s objections, arguing that they were “without merit” and reminding the court that it was the former president who pressed the civil suit.

Trump “bears the burden of proof,” government attorneys wrote. “If he wants the Special Master to make recommendations as to whether he is entitled to the relief he seeks, Plaintiff will need to participate in the process” as outlined by the court.

Trump also objected to the judge’s request for briefing on certain questions of law, according to the DOJ’s letter.

Trump’s lawyers did not return requests for comment; it wasn’t immediately clear how they’d registered their objections to Dearie’s proposed plan for the case, since there wasn’t a filing on the public docket.

Dearie, a semi-retired judge in Brooklyn, is tasked with overseeing a review of nearly all of the 11,000-plus documents seized from Mar-a-Lago by the FBI on Aug. 8. A federal appeals court previously sided with the government and removed about 100 documents with classified markings from the review.

Dearie will make recommendations to US District Judge Aileen Cannon about whether any of the documents should be covered by legal protections such as privileges for attorney-client communications or for executive branch deliberations. He proposed a schedule for Trump’s legal team and the Justice Department to submit batches of documents to him on a rolling basis where they disagree about how to categorize them; he wants a final log by Oct. 28 and is due to finish his work by Nov. 30.

Dearie’s mandate from Cannon -- the judge who ultimately will decide whether to accept Dearie’s recommendations -- also includes confirming that the government’s description of what they took from Trump’s Florida home “represents the full and accurate extent” of what was actually seized.

The Justice Department broadly accepted Dearie’s proposal for how to move forward with the review, but did ask for a slight extension to his deadlines for the government to produce documents to the special master and Trump’s legal team. DOJ laid blame with Trump for the delay, writing that all five vendors they proposed to assist with the review were “unwilling” to contract with the former president.

The letter didn’t say why the vendors weren’t willing to contract with Trump. The problem with finding a third party to scan and upload the 11,000 documents at issue prevented DOJ and Trump from meeting a Tuesday deadline for selecting a vendor, the Justice Department said in its letter to Dearie.

DOJ told Dearie that the government could take charge of the contracting process and likely find a willing vendor quickly, and asked the judge to extend the selection deadline to Thursday.

Trump would still be responsible for paying the third-party company. “The government expects Plaintiff to pay the vendor’s invoices promptly when rendered,” the Justice Department said in the letter.

DOJ and Trump’s lawyers jointly asked Dearie to extend the deadline for the vendor completing production to early October “in light of this substantial change in the party contracting with the vendor.”

The case is Trump v. USA, 9:22-cv-81294, US District Court for the Southern District of Florida (West Palm Beach).

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on September 28, 2022, 04:59:21 PM
Bet he didn't get paid a dime. You know, the art of the steal.
That's what I'm talking about!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 05, 2022, 09:45:51 AM
In stunning interview with Tucker Carlson last night, Hunter Biden's Business Partner Tony Bobulinski explained how the FBI fixed the 2020 election
American Thinker ^ | 10/05/2022 | Thomas Lifson
Posted on 10/5/2022, 12:07:46 PM by SeekAndFind

Most readers already know that Tony Bobulinski was the business partner of Hunter Biden and his uncle, Jim Biden, the president’s brother, as they attempted to put together deals with foreign actors. That partnership broke up, and Bobulinski has become a whistleblower. But his efforts to interest the FBI in multiple Biden family felonies, including against him, have come to naught.

Last night, in a second sit down interview with Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski laid out stunning details on how the FBI deep sixed any public revelations, much less indictments, based on what Bobulinski says are thousands of pages of proof, including emails, text messages, recorded phone calls, and actual business documents. Despite having possession of abundant evidence, the FBI sat on the investigation through the 2020 election, thereby depriving the public of information that almost certainly would have swayed enough votes to change the outcome and re-elect Donald Trump.



One key figure is Timothy Thibault, who was made the FBI’s point man on the information brought by Bobulinski, who never followed up.  Miranda Devine of the New York Post broke this story a month ago:

Timothy Thibault, the FBI agent alleged to have interfered with an investigation into Hunter Biden, was assigned by the Washington Field Office as “point man” to manage whistleblower Tony Bobulinski, the first son’s former business partner, before the 2020 election — but he suppressed his damning revelations, sources say.

Bobulinski spent over five hours secretly being interviewed by the FBI on Oct. 23, 2020, about his inside knowledge of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden’s involvement in his son’s business deals with China.


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2022, 10:05:39 AM
^^  Great.  Now he can take it to court and win biggly right?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on October 05, 2022, 10:09:56 AM
Americanthinker.com? Lmfao @ the irony!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 05, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
Americanthinker.com? Lmfao @ the irony!

Ok you want the direct source here you and Lurker go.   Own it.   Here is the business partner in his own words.   

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2022, 12:53:46 PM
Sure this wasn't featured in the Enquirer weeks ago?   :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 05, 2022, 01:03:38 PM
Sure this wasn't featured in the Enquirer weeks ago?   :D

It was Bidens' business partner.   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
It was Bidens' business partner.   ::)

Is this like Obama's gay boyfriend type of thing again?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 05, 2022, 01:22:23 PM
Is this like Obama's gay boyfriend type of thing again?

you know literally nothing about this do you? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 05, 2022, 01:58:19 PM
you know literally nothing about this do you?

Of course he doesn’t
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2022, 02:28:54 PM
you know literally nothing about this do you?

I know that neither Joe or Hunter was part of the raid on Trumpy's home, nor are they part of his legal team that is running in circles trying to come up with a defense that is somewhat credible while their clients spouts off lies and other bullshit.  I know that this is what this thread is about.

Do you know that?  You have nothing to say about the thread topic but want to talk about something else all together?  Why not make a new thread for that?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 05, 2022, 03:54:53 PM
I know that neither Joe or Hunter was part of the raid on Trumpy's home, nor are they part of his legal team that is running in circles trying to come up with a defense that is somewhat credible while their clients spouts off lies and other bullshit.  I know that this is what this thread is about.

Do you know that?  You have nothing to say about the thread topic but want to talk about something else all together?  Why not make a new thread for that?

The loser in life being humiliated yet again  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 05, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Ok you want the direct source here you and Lurker go.   Own it.   Here is the business partner in his own words.   


You could slap them in the face with your dick and they would deny it ever happened.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2022, 05:30:42 PM
So many excuses on this thread.  So many off topic replies.  Nothing else to contribute that is on topic?  Why isn't this a surprise?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 05, 2022, 09:02:30 PM
I know that neither Joe or Hunter was part of the raid on Trumpy's home, nor are they part of his legal team that is running in circles trying to come up with a defense that is somewhat credible while their clients spouts off lies and other bullshit.  I know that this is what this thread is about.

Do you know that?  You have nothing to say about the thread topic but want to talk about something else all together?  Why not make a new thread for that?

Retard…”Joe” knew everything. First he denied it then he admitted it. For fucks sake if you’re going to comment, comment on shit you actually know about. This ain’t it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 06:59:51 AM
This thread isn’t about Biden. You can’t address the thread topic so you talk about irrelevant shit instead. Par for course as usual for you.

Everyone is in awe of your tism once again. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2022, 07:30:11 AM
This thread isn’t about Biden. You can’t address the thread topic so you talk about irrelevant shit instead. Par for course as usual for you.

Everyone is in awe of your tism once again.

Well, I told you what we could do if you truly feel that way. You just keep avoiding it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 07:43:48 AM
This thread isn’t about Biden. You can’t address the thread topic so you talk about irrelevant shit instead. Par for course as usual for you.

Everyone is in awe of your tism once again.

Yes it is because that old pedophile ok'd it. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 08:43:21 AM
This thread isn’t about Biden. You can’t address the thread topic so you talk about irrelevant shit instead. Par for course as usual for you.

Everyone is in awe of your tism once again.

Trump: Mar-a-Lago Resort Got $5B Worth of Free Publicity From FBI Raid
NewsMax ^ | Wednesday, 05 October 2022 09:10 PM EDT | Jay Clemons
Posted on 10/6/2022, 11:42:28

The attention given to former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort over the last few months — courtesy of the FBI's Aug. 8 raid, stemming from a document dispute with the National Archives — has brought billions of dollars in free publicity to his Florida home, he said Wednesday.

"Has anyone heard about the document hoax? Helicopters flying over Mar-a-Lago," said Trump, while speaking at the National Hispanic Leadership Conference, a Miami-based event arranged by the America First Policy Institute. "Well, they've given us about $5 billion worth of free publicity, I will say."

Trump then added, "People said, 'That's a nice house.' If it weren't so nice they probably wouldn't be doing it, because it gets ratings."

Regarding the document dispute, Trump said he has been wrongly cast in a bad light, and unfairly persecuted, unlike other former presidents.

"Everyone knows we've done nothing wrong," Trump said. "They are targeting me because they want to silence me, silence you, and silence our amazing [Make America Great Again] movement. There's never been a movement like this in the history of our country."

The Trump-Justice Department dispute has quieted down in recent weeks, after Judge Aileen Cannon selected Judge Raymond Dearie as the special master, or arbiter of the case.

However, Trump's legal team objected to the DOJ's request for an expedited ruling from Judge Dearie.

Over the past two months, Trump's legal team has been steadfast in maintaining the former president's innocence.

"This [dispute] is about documents," Trump attorney Alina Habba told Newsmax back in August, while appearing on "Eric Bolling The Balance." "The president was cooperating. I cannot fathom or understand the necessity to have 30 [FBI agents] come in on a raid."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...

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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 09:39:47 AM
Well, I told you what we could do if you truly feel that way. You just keep avoiding it.

Listen to you lie and avoid facts?  We already do that on here every day.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 09:40:21 AM
Yes it is because that old pedophile ok'd it.

Might want to offer proof of that.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 09:41:31 AM
Well he should use that $5B and stop grifting off his supporters by begging through emails don't you think?
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2022, 10:30:58 AM
Listen to you lie and avoid facts?  We already do that on here every day.

Says the guy who yesterday thought the laptop was fake and knew nothing about UNTIL yesterday Lololololol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 11:40:06 AM
In stunning interview with Tucker Carlson last night, Hunter Biden's Business Partner Tony Bobulinski explained how the FBI fixed the 2020 election
American Thinker ^ | 10/05/2022 | Thomas Lifson
Posted on 10/5/2022, 12:07:46 PM by SeekAndFind

Most readers already know that Tony Bobulinski was the business partner of Hunter Biden and his uncle, Jim Biden, the president’s brother, as they attempted to put together deals with foreign actors. That partnership broke up, and Bobulinski has become a whistleblower. But his efforts to interest the FBI in multiple Biden family felonies, including against him, have come to naught.

Last night, in a second sit down interview with Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski laid out stunning details on how the FBI deep sixed any public revelations, much less indictments, based on what Bobulinski says are thousands of pages of proof, including emails, text messages, recorded phone calls, and actual business documents. Despite having possession of abundant evidence, the FBI sat on the investigation through the 2020 election, thereby depriving the public of information that almost certainly would have swayed enough votes to change the outcome and re-elect Donald Trump.



One key figure is Timothy Thibault, who was made the FBI’s point man on the information brought by Bobulinski, who never followed up.  Miranda Devine of the New York Post broke this story a month ago:

Timothy Thibault, the FBI agent alleged to have interfered with an investigation into Hunter Biden, was assigned by the Washington Field Office as “point man” to manage whistleblower Tony Bobulinski, the first son’s former business partner, before the 2020 election — but he suppressed his damning revelations, sources say.

Bobulinski spent over five hours secretly being interviewed by the FBI on Oct. 23, 2020, about his inside knowledge of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden’s involvement in his son’s business deals with China.


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...

Interesting but what does this have to do with Trump's government document hoarding and the FBI grab?
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Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
Interesting but what does this have to do with Trump's government document hoarding and the FBI grab?

Many believe Trump had docs relative to the frauds committed by the Biden Crime Family. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 11:52:09 AM
It was Bidens' business partner.   ::)

Tony Bobulinski been yakking it up with Carlson about this for awhile now. Did you miss the October 28, 2020 interview? https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20201029_040000_Tucker_Carlson_Tonight/start/60/end/120

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2904684809856447

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on October 06, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
Interesting but what does this have to do with Trump's government document hoarding and the FBI grab?

I thought you might just be able to work it out ,
IF & I said IF The Election was Rigged , then Pervy Pant Shitter Joe
is a fake President & Possibly Trump would still be President &
This Document Bollocks won't have any validity.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 11:55:02 AM
Tony Bobulinski been yakking it up with Carlson about this for awhile now. Did you miss the October 28, 2020 interview? https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20201029_040000_Tucker_Carlson_Tonight/start/60/end/120

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2904684809856447

No I saw it then.  Again - this was all in the news but denied by liberal idiots and BidenFAIL and now forced to be acknowledged as truthful.   You should be ashamed of yourself for how blindly ignorant and partisan you are.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 12:03:56 PM
Many believe Trump had docs relative to the frauds committed by the Biden Crime Family.

Yes, I see where that might connect this story to the FBI warrant and search at Mar-a-lago.  However, believing is not knowing it for a fact. It is guessing or hoping. Furthermore, if Trump did have them, why did he not share them with the public? It is unlike him to be all hush hush about such things. Also he would likely have had them prior to losing the election in 2020. Don't you think he would have made them public then in order to discredit his opponent? If not then at least when he was in the midst of trying to get the election overturned. Then there is the off chance that he had them but did not know he did because he hadn't bothered to read all the documents he stole from the White House, the government and the people of the United States.   
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 12:06:39 PM
No I saw it then.  Again - this was all in the news but denied by liberal idiots and BidenFAIL and now forced to be acknowledged as truthful.   You should be ashamed of yourself for how blindly ignorant and partisan you are.

Are suggesting all liberals need do to get their candidate elected is deny some dirt on their candidate's son?

Because I question the circumstances of an issue, it makes me blindly ignorant and partisan? If I wanted to be blindly ignorant of just wanted to ignore some issue, I would hardly ask questions which result in continuing the conversation rather than hoping it magically goes away.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Are suggesting all liberals need do to get their candidate elected is deny some dirt on their candidate's son?

Because I question the circumstances of an issue, it makes me blindly ignorant and partisan? If I wanted to be blindly ignorant of just wanted to ignore some issue, I would hardly ask questions which result in continuing the conversation rather than hoping it magically goes away.

Again you are ignorant and uninformed.  The issue was Hunter being the bag man for The Big Guy getting millions from China and ukraine deals. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 01:06:43 PM
Says the guy who yesterday thought the laptop was fake and knew nothing about UNTIL yesterday Lololololol

Please show me where I said this.   ::)

You can't.  Because you are just lying again.  Which is what you always do when you got nothing else to say.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 01:08:45 PM
Many believe Trump had docs relative to the frauds committed by the Biden Crime Family.

No, not "many" believe it... only "idiots" believe it.

This is Trumpy we are talking about.  If he had anything, and I do mean ANYTHING remotely related to Biden..... he would already be crying from the rooftops.

 ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2022, 02:18:36 PM
Please show me where I said this.   ::)

You can't.  Because you are just lying again.  Which is what you always do when you got nothing else to say.

.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2022, 02:30:38 PM
.

 :D ;D
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 03:00:08 PM
Again you are ignorant and uninformed.  The issue was Hunter being the bag man for The Big Guy getting millions from China and ukraine deals.

You are simply using my post as a platform for you to reiterate that the issue is 'Hunter being the bag man'. Nothing in my post suggests I am ignorant and uninformed.  ::) ::) ::) 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2022, 03:11:05 PM
Please show me where I said this.   ::)

You can't.  Because you are just lying again.  Which is what you always do when you got nothing else to say.

Coach and Soul Crusher constantly change the topic of conversations which aren't going their way when they either don't have a relevant reply, they forgot what the subject was, they think others won't notice their little game, or they don't know what they are talking about. My guess is that it is a combination of all those reasons. But then, I tend to give people more credit than they are due. Could also be that they are high and spacy from smoking too much weed. ;)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 03:43:45 PM
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Neither of what you have circled supports your claim that I said Hunter's laptop was fake.  That extra chromosome must get in the way of your eyesight when attempting to read. 

Again, you just lie for the sake of lying. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 03:46:05 PM
Coach and Soul Crusher constantly change the topic of conversations which aren't going their way when they either don't have a relevant reply, they forgot what the subject was, they think others won't notice their little game, or they don't know what they are talking about. My guess is that it is a combination of all those reasons. But then, I tend to give people more credit than they are due. Could also be that they are high and spacy from smoking too much weed. ;)

Exactly.    They have nothing to say, but yet feel compelled to say something no matter how irrelevant or off topic it is.

Weird.  This is like having a conversation with a hard of hearing person who thinks you said something else.  But it's in writing.   ::)
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Post by: The Gov on October 06, 2022, 04:17:03 PM
Exactly.    They have nothing to say, but yet feel compelled to say something no matter how irrelevant or off topic it is.

Weird.  This is like having a conversation with a hard of hearing person who thinks you said something else.  But it's in writing.   ::)

sad little PedoCuck crying... ::)
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Post by: AbrahamG on October 06, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
sad little PedoCuck crying... ::)

^If Teutonic Knight had an even more retarded twin, this is him^
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2022, 05:34:22 PM
^If Teutonic Knight had an even more retarded twin, this is him^

You can't tell it's the same person? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on October 06, 2022, 05:35:31 PM
You can't tell it's the same person?

Sort of what I was getting at.
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Post by: The Gov on October 07, 2022, 06:26:21 AM
Sort of what I was getting at.

The other sad gear using PedoCuck is here  ::)  I best be careful  ::)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 07, 2022, 06:50:05 AM
Sort of what I was getting at.

It was easy to spot a while back.  Same idiot mistakes that Tainted Knot and Iron Cvnt always made. 

It's kind of amusing watching the uneducated get desperate and seek attention.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 07, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
It was easy to spot a while back.  Same idiot mistakes that Tainted Knot and Iron Cvnt always made. 

It's kind of amusing watching the uneducated get desperate and seek attention.

The two PedoCuck's are talking Pedo talk... ::)
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Post by: Irongrip400 on October 07, 2022, 02:26:39 PM
You can't tell it's the same person?

Doubtful. Iron Cross and TK are one in the same and English is clearly not his first language. The other shit is retard and/or gimmick.
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2022, 02:45:20 PM
Exactly.    They have nothing to say, but yet feel compelled to say something no matter how irrelevant or off topic it is.

Weird.  This is like having a conversation with a hard of hearing person who thinks you said something else.  But it's in writing.   ::)

You hit the nail on the head with the hearing-impaired analogy. I know because I am hard of hearing. Rather than asking people to repeat what they said, I respond with an affirmative nob of comment. It is safer than saying no. Pretty sure I come off to folks who don't know me as being even more of an idiot than I am.  ;D

-Got new state-of-the-art hearing aids a couple of weeks ago which work like a charm. My old hearing aids were useless. It is interesting to hear almost all of what someone says.

Unfortunately, now I also hear my great-granddaughter who is in the terrible twos throw screaming tantrums several times a day. When it becomes overbearing I take out the hearing aids for some peace and quiet.
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2022, 02:54:05 PM
It was easy to spot a while back.  Same idiot mistakes that Tainted Knot and Iron Cvnt always made. 

It's kind of amusing watching the uneducated get desperate and seek attention.

The Gov is like a 'One Note Samba'. They keep posting the same word, 'PedoCuck'. Maybe they think they are being clever. They're not.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 07, 2022, 03:21:38 PM
Doubtful. Iron Cross and TK are one in the same and English is clearly not his first language. The other shit is retard and/or gimmick.

The Gov is like a 'One Note Samba'. They keep posting the same word, 'PedoCuck'. Maybe they think they are being clever. They're not.

Come on guys....  I'm going to take this personal.  Why does someone like Vince get all the witty original stalkers with funny replies and I wind up with these insipid Honey Boo Boo type asshats for stalkers?  Is asking for someone with a GED and original content too much?
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2022, 03:40:29 PM
Come on guys....  I'm going to take this personal.  Why does someone like Vince get all the witty original stalkers with funny replies and I wind up with these insipid Honey Boo Boo type asshats for stalkers?  Is asking for someone with a GED and original content too much?

Don't take it personally. It is much better to have a dumb-as-a-stump stalker that an intelligent one like Hannibal Lecter. 
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Post by: Irongrip400 on October 08, 2022, 05:00:18 AM
Come on guys....  I'm going to take this personal.  Why does someone like Vince get all the witty original stalkers with funny replies and I wind up with these insipid Honey Boo Boo type asshats for stalkers?  Is asking for someone with a GED and original content too much?


???

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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 08, 2022, 06:47:37 AM


???

I just think that any stalker of mine should have an IQ over their age.  That's all.   :D
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Post by: The Gov on October 08, 2022, 07:26:12 AM
I just think that any stalker of mine should have an IQ over their age.  That's all.   :D

PedoCuck angry  ::)
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Post by: Grape Ape on October 08, 2022, 10:04:09 AM
Come on guys....  I'm going to take this personal.  Why does someone like Vince get all the witty original stalkers with funny replies and I wind up with these insipid Honey Boo Boo type asshats for stalkers?  Is asking for someone with a GED and original content too much?

If it gets worse, I'm going to have to troll you with one of my gimmicks.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 08, 2022, 11:37:36 AM
If it gets worse, I'm going to have to troll you with one of my gimmicks.
Use your SuperstarBillyGraham gimmick! :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 08, 2022, 12:46:59 PM
If it gets worse, I'm going to have to troll you with one of my gimmicks.

Please!  At least you can contribute original and witty material.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 09, 2022, 06:44:01 PM
And here you have it…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cjgr-mfLYvC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 10, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
How's that lawyer defense holding up?  Still matching the version of what happened with the story Trumpy is telling?

Oh wait.... it still isn't.
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 10, 2022, 06:16:44 PM
And here you have it…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cjgr-mfLYvC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

And there YOU have it...  Mark Levin is a failed attorney and political lacky who hosts a right wing radio talk show.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 10, 2022, 06:30:50 PM
And there YOU have it...  Mark Levin is a failed attorney and political lacky who hosts a right wing radio talk show.
Don't forget he's also richer than you.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on October 11, 2022, 03:17:19 PM
Did this story die?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 11, 2022, 06:00:21 PM
Not yet.  Every week a new excuse emerges.   :D
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Post by: chaos on October 11, 2022, 07:00:00 PM
Did this story die?
Of course not, media is focusing on this to avoid biden gaffes and kuntmala making a complete fool of herself in interviews.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 11, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
Because reporting facts about the orange turd is just so bad for his little turdlings.
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Post by: chaos on October 11, 2022, 07:22:22 PM
Because keeping dummycrats hooked onto Trumps balls helps them not see the stupidity their party is commiting.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 11, 2022, 07:28:04 PM
Because Trumpturds have no other alternative but to talk about irrelevant shit when facts about Trumpy is pointed out.

Your excuses is spreading faster than your waistline.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2022, 07:00:30 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 07:03:34 AM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

It has been two months.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 08:36:08 AM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

It has been two months.

Nawww... we still at the stage where Trumpy's lawyers are blaming each other now, and retaining attorneys of their own for their own defense. 


MAGA = Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 12, 2022, 10:28:51 AM
And there YOU have it...  Mark Levin is a failed attorney and political lacky who hosts a right wing radio talk show.

Hahahahahahahahaha…..oh boy lol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 12:05:40 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha…..oh boy lol

Typical reply.  Nothing of substance, but you have to type something.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 05:10:17 PM
National Archives called out Trumpy for lying about other Presidents and their document handling. 

He's gone from claiming he declassified the records, (in his mind... hahahaha   :D ), to the FBI planted records, to other Presidents have done worse with records....   what lie will he tell next?  Aliens? 

Tune in next week to find out!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 06:01:12 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

It has been two months.
Nope, it's still just another media distraction to keep the stupid fuck democrats occupied so they don't have to face the disaster this horrible administration is.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2022, 06:20:25 PM
Don't forget he's also richer than you.

TBH that's not saying much. I've never claimed to be wealthy. The world is filled with rich people who are also total jerks and losers. Why, because not every rich person came by their worth honestly or even on their own. Take for instance, Hunter Biden who is also richer than I am at a supposed $1 mil... but just barely.  ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 06:22:19 PM
Nope, it's still just another media distraction to keep the stupid fuck democrats occupied so they don't have to face the disaster this horrible administration is.

So you really think there is no legitimate or tangible cause for this investigation?  Is that what you are saying?  Just want to make sure before I call you stupid.  (Probably still will though)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2022, 06:25:11 PM
Because keeping dummycrats hooked onto Trumps balls helps them not see the stupidity their party is commiting.
Not me. Those are some mighty stinky balls, sitting amidst all that blubber, not to forget the rancid farts that emit from that junk food fanatic's putrid asshole.
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Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 06:35:14 PM
So you really think there is no legitimate or tangible cause for this investigation?  Is that what you are saying?  Just want to make sure before I call you stupid.  (Probably still will though)
You're stupid enough for the both of us, you got this, Tom!

Not me. Those are some mighty stinky balls, sitting amidst all that blubber, not to forget the rancid farts that emit from that junk food fanatic's putrid asshole.
Sounds like you've spent some time around the stinky balls of sweaty old, fat men.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 06:37:43 PM
Oh so you don't want to commit to an actual stance on this.  Why am I not surprised?  Stupid little Trumpturd.

TDfS!! TDfS!! TDfS!! TDfS!!  <--- It ain't working like it used to.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2022, 06:39:27 PM
Nope, it's still just another media distraction to keep the stupid fuck democrats occupied so they don't have to face the disaster this horrible administration is.

Not everything is either or.

Care to elaborate on why you think the current administration is horrible? So far, it may not be the best this country ever had but it isn't the worst. These last couple of years could have been an extension of the horrible Trump administration and that would have been far worse... or another term in office might have finally gotten Trump's fat ass in a sling that he couldn't wiggle his way out of.

Talking about gas prices (even though we weren't), I gassed up at Costco today. I needed approximate 8 gallons and paid $5.06 per gallon which is more than it was last month when I filled the tank. Not only that, Gasbuddy got it wrong. According to them, the price for regular there was $5.20 a gallon. Gasbuddy failure.  ::)   
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Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2022, 06:43:29 PM
You're stupid enough for the both of us, you got this, Tom!
Sounds like you've spent some time around the stinky balls of sweaty old, fat men.

Did you just admit to being stupid? Or maybe Lurker is so smart that even being in his shadow makes you a little bit smart. If that's the case, when did you plan to begin showing some?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 06:46:27 PM
Oh so you don't want to commit to an actual stance on this.  Why am I not surprised?  Stupid little Trumpturd.

TDfS!! TDfS!! TDfS!! TDfS!!  <--- It ain't working like it used to.
Pretty clear what my stance is, Tom. It's a waste of taxpayers dollars, time and effort in an attempt to distract the pleebs like you from recognizing how bad this administration is doing.

Not everything is either or.

Care to elaborate on why you think the current administration is horrible? So far, it may not be the best this country ever had but it isn't the worst. These last couple of years could have been an extension of the horrible Trump administration and that would have been far worse... or another term in office might have finally gotten Trump's fat ass in a sling that he couldn't wiggle his way out of.

Talking about gas prices (even though we weren't), I gassed up at Costco today. I needed approximate 8 gallons and paid $5.06 per gallon which is more than it was last month when I filled the tank. Not only that, Gasbuddy got it wrong. According to them, the price for regular there was $5.20 a gallon. Gasbuddy failure.  ::)   

Really? We could start with oil prices, go on to the illegal immigration situation, bounce over to inflation, talk about the softest stance on crime possible (unless you're on the opposite political spectrum), speaking of that we could talk about the use of the alphabet agencies to attack political opponents, his America last policies, we could go on for days but what would be the point? You don't want to recognize or admit that your side is wrong or fucked up in any way because you have a side, instead of being an American.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 06:56:09 PM
Your stance is nothing more than TDfS!!!!  We already know that.   ::)

Facts about the orange man make you cry.  Can't sleep at night.  TDfS.. gotta say something, but have nothing to say really.  Deflect and spin... still no win.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 06:58:10 PM
Your stance is nothing more than TDfS!!!!  We already know that.   ::)

Facts about the orange man make you cry.  Can't sleep at night.  TDfS.. gotta say something, but have nothing to say really.  Deflect and spin... still no win.
You spend far more time thinking about Trump and his orange hue than I do, Tom.  ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 07:00:47 PM
You spend far more time thinking about Trump and his orange hue than I do, Tom.  ;)

You obviously don't think at all.  Must not be getting enough oxygen while having your head lodged up his ass.

You certainly spend every minute you do think about him making excuses.  TDfS!!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 07:03:52 PM
Soooooo.... back to the thread topic which the last two retards have made multiple failing attempts to deflect, deny, distract, and make excuses for.

(ADHD much?

Looks like Trumpy's plea to the SC to intervene against the DOJ is going to fail.  hahahha.... what now?  He will lie and say the SC is against him just like the National Archives are supposed to be?   :D

Come on turds... spin and deny that.    :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 07:04:55 PM
Double post TDS meltdown, Tom. :-*
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 07:05:11 PM
Did you just admit to being stupid? Or maybe Lurker is so smart that even being in his shadow makes you a little bit smart. If that's the case, when did you plan to begin showing some?

Damn, you gonna make him cry.  Not a good sign!  Last thing he needs is edema collecting in those cankles.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 12, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
Double stupid reply conehead.   Keep trying though.  TDfS 4 Life!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Pretty clear what my stance is, Tom. It's a waste of taxpayers dollars, time and effort in an attempt to distract the pleebs like you from recognizing how bad this administration is doing.
Really? We could start with oil prices, go on to the illegal immigration situation, bounce over to inflation, talk about the softest stance on crime possible (unless you're on the opposite political spectrum), speaking of that we could talk about the use of the alphabet agencies to attack political opponents, his America last policies, we could go on for days but what would be the point? You don't want to recognize or admit that your side is wrong or fucked up in any way because you have a side, instead of being an American.

Yes, let's start with oil prices. Without question they are out of sight. They are out of sight everywhere, not just in the U.S. Does this mean Biden is Emperor of the world? Bouncing, bouncing like Trump's balls, again is inflation unique to the U.S.?

TBH, have not looked at the most recent crime stats, so I cannot at this point comment on them.

Ever consider that the 'alphabet agencies' are doing what they are supposed to do which is investigating and prosecuting criminals at every level regardless of who they are, how well they are connected or if they once held a political office? Of course, you have not because you are committed to defending every nut case on the right, no matter how obscenely criminal their activities.

I have a 'side' which means I am not an American? What a laugh. My side is all American, not sure what yours is though.

You could go on for days? Great! Be my guest. 

Hey Chaos, this discussion has been...well...interestin g. My apologies, but it is time for me to fix my dinner and spend an hour or so in front of the boob tube, watching anything that has nothing to do with current events. You know, having a life outside of Getbig. Try it. You might like it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on October 12, 2022, 08:11:02 PM
Yes, let's start with oil prices. Without question they are out of sight. They are out of sight everywhere, not just in the U.S. Does this mean Biden is Emperor of the world? Bouncing, bouncing like Trump's balls, again is inflation unique to the U.S.?

TBH, have not looked at the most recent crime stats, so I cannot at this point comment on them.

Ever consider that the 'alphabet agencies' are doing what they are supposed to do which is investigating and prosecuting criminals at every level regardless of who they are, how well they are connected or if they once held a political office? Of course, you have not because you are committed to defending every nut case on the right, no matter how obscenely criminal their activities.

I have a 'side' which means I am not an American? What a laugh. My side is all American, not sure what yours is though.

You could go on for days? Great! Be my guest. 

Hey Chaos, this discussion has been...well...interestin g. My apologies, but it is time for me to fix my dinner and spend an hour or so in front of the boob tube, watching anything that has nothing to do with current events. You know, having a life outside of Getbig. Try it. You might like it.

If Chaos were to pull down his trousers right now, you'd see Primes hand print right across his arse!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2022, 09:34:17 PM
If Chaos were to pull down his trousers right now, you'd see Primes hand print right across his arse!
Come on now son, you're smarter than that.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 13, 2022, 03:51:37 AM
Yes, let's start with oil prices. Without question they are out of sight. They are out of sight everywhere, not just in the U.S. Does this mean Biden is Emperor of the world? Bouncing, bouncing like Trump's balls, again is inflation unique to the U.S.?

TBH, have not looked at the most recent crime stats, so I cannot at this point comment on them.

Ever consider that the 'alphabet agencies' are doing what they are supposed to do which is investigating and prosecuting criminals at every level regardless of who they are, how well they are connected or if they once held a political office? Of course, you have not because you are committed to defending every nut case on the right, no matter how obscenely criminal their activities.

I have a 'side' which means I am not an American? What a laugh. My side is all American, not sure what yours is though.

You could go on for days? Great! Be my guest. 

Hey Chaos, this discussion has been...well...interestin g. My apologies, but it is time for me to fix my dinner and spend an hour or so in front of the boob tube, watching anything that has nothing to do with current events. You know, having a life outside of Getbig. Try it. You might like it.

Brutal.... and true.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 13, 2022, 04:02:27 AM
Soooo.... back to the topic at hand.   ;D

Apparently, there is security footage of an employee moving boxes from the storage room AFTER Trumpy was given that subpoena.  Not that this is surprising.  Trumpy gets the subpoena, so now he knows that eventually the government will come after it's documents. So if he wants to keep any of them, he'd better hide them somewhere else.  Boy that was a smart move huh?  Trumpy was notified in May to hand over these classified documents, but he refused to comply and yet he made a really big deal that he was raided? This was 21 months after he left the White House.  And the lies he has told about the whole thing.... hahahahahaa.   

Don't worry though, his little cult members will be along to deny, deflect, distraction, or lie about it in his defense.  (Even though his own attorneys won't even touch the lies he told about it in their defense motions.   :D  )

It's going to be super hilarious to watch the shit show when his other properties get raided.   ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 13, 2022, 06:37:13 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 13, 2022, 12:37:27 PM
Opinion: Utter proof the FBI framed Trump and shielded Hunter
NY Post ^ | October 12, 2022 | By Andrew C. McCarthy
Posted on 10/13/2022, 9:33:37


Igor Danchenko is on trial, but so is the FBI.

That is the theme of Russiagate special counsel John Durham’s prosecution of Danchenko, heading into its third day of trial in Alexandria, Va., federal court.

Danchenko is charged with five counts of lying to the FBI about two of his sources for what became the infamous “Steele dossier” — a compilation of faux intelligence reports, mainly authored by former British spy Christopher Steele, that portrayed the GOP’s then-presidential candidate, Donald Trump, as a clandestine agent of Russia.

It remains to be seen whether Durham can prove these charges: The allegation related to Dolan is not crystal clear (because Danchenko did make a vague reference to discussions with him), and Millian, who is overseas and beyond US subpoena power, has refused to testify.

What is not in doubt, though, is that the trial is highlighting the FBI’s shocking malfeasance in the Trump-Russia “collusion” probe, which it codenamed “Crossfire Hurricane.”

The first witness in the case was FBI supervisory intelligence analyst Brian Auten, of whom Durham himself conducted the prosecution’s questioning. Auten conceded the FBI had offered Steele $1 million if he could prove his sensational allegations that Trump was in cahoots with the regime of Vladimir Putin and that the Kremlin was positioned to blackmail the then-candidate because it supposedly possessed a video recording of Trump engaging in sexual hijinks.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 13, 2022, 03:23:23 PM
Soooo.... back to the topic at hand.   ;D

Apparently, there is security footage of an employee moving boxes from the storage room AFTER Trumpy was given that subpoena.  Not that this is surprising.  Trumpy gets the subpoena, so now he knows that eventually the government will come after it's documents. So if he wants to keep any of them, he'd better hide them somewhere else.  Boy that was a smart move huh?  Trumpy was notified in May to hand over these classified documents, but he refused to comply and yet he made a really big deal that he was raided? This was 21 months after he left the White House.  And the lies he has told about the whole thing.... hahahahahaa.   

Don't worry though, his little cult members will be along to deny, deflect, distraction, or lie about it in his defense.  (Even though his own attorneys won't even touch the lies he told about it in their defense motions.   :D  )

It's going to be super hilarious to watch the shit show when his other properties get raided.   ;D

pathetic little bitch talking like a 4 year old child, you are dismissed pedo.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 13, 2022, 06:11:13 PM
Opinion: Utter proof the FBI framed Trump and shielded Hunter
NY Post ^ | October 12, 2022 | By Andrew C. McCarthy
Posted on 10/13/2022, 9:33:37


Igor Danchenko is on trial, but so is the FBI.

That is the theme of Russiagate special counsel John Durham’s prosecution of Danchenko, heading into its third day of trial in Alexandria, Va., federal court.

Danchenko is charged with five counts of lying to the FBI about two of his sources for what became the infamous “Steele dossier” — a compilation of faux intelligence reports, mainly authored by former British spy Christopher Steele, that portrayed the GOP’s then-presidential candidate, Donald Trump, as a clandestine agent of Russia.

It remains to be seen whether Durham can prove these charges: The allegation related to Dolan is not crystal clear (because Danchenko did make a vague reference to discussions with him), and Millian, who is overseas and beyond US subpoena power, has refused to testify.

What is not in doubt, though, is that the trial is highlighting the FBI’s shocking malfeasance in the Trump-Russia “collusion” probe, which it codenamed “Crossfire Hurricane.”

The first witness in the case was FBI supervisory intelligence analyst Brian Auten, of whom Durham himself conducted the prosecution’s questioning. Auten conceded the FBI had offered Steele $1 million if he could prove his sensational allegations that Trump was in cahoots with the regime of Vladimir Putin and that the Kremlin was positioned to blackmail the then-candidate because it supposedly possessed a video recording of Trump engaging in sexual hijinks.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

You talking about Mar-A-Lardo?  Because that is what we are on this thread.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: funk51 on October 14, 2022, 11:55:32 AM
   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 14, 2022, 02:52:15 PM
   


Trumpy loves to talk and talk and talk and talk....


.. except under oath.   He's too chicken shit to appear.   :D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 14, 2022, 03:49:44 PM
Trumpy loves to talk and talk and talk and talk....


.. except under oath.   He's too chicken shit to appear.   :D

pathetic little bitch talking like a 4 year old child, you are dismissed pedo
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on October 14, 2022, 05:16:32 PM
pathetic little bitch talking like a 4 year old child, you are dismissed pedo.

Yep exactly right - That's Lurking for Boy's.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 14, 2022, 05:50:47 PM
Trumpy loves to talk and talk and talk and talk....


.. except under oath.   He's too chicken shit to appear.   :D
Huge pot meet kettle in this post.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
And there YOU have it...  Mark Levin is a failed attorney and political lacky who hosts a right wing radio talk show.

Was chief of staff for the U.S. Attorney General, hosts one of the most successful shows on radio with millions of listeners, has a successful TV show, best selling author and constitutional scholar, incredibly smart and well versed, and was the first to discover the FISA abuse and Obama spying on the Trump campaign. 

You should be a little more inquisitive and not regurgitate stuff you see on the internet from political hacks.  You'll be a lot smarter and better informed if you do.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 14, 2022, 06:31:12 PM

You should be a little more inquisitive and not regurgitate stuff you see on the internet from political hacks.  You'll be a lot smarter and better informed if you do.
You're asking a lot from a liberal. :)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 14, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Huge pot meet kettle in this post.

I'm not the one blatantly lying every time a tv camera is pointed my way or the one being subpoenaed by multiple investigations.

Kind of renders your reply irrelevant.  Like all the others.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2022, 08:01:16 AM
How about the Supreme Court giving Trumpy that big fat "NO" yesterday?   Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 15, 2022, 09:59:23 AM
Do you think you could go 24 hours without thinking or posting about Trump?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2022, 10:04:47 AM
Do you think you could go 24 hours without trying to defend Trumpy through deflection, denial, distraction and the usual TDfS methods?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 15, 2022, 10:11:41 AM
Do you think you could go 24 hours without trying to defend Trumpy through deflection, denial, distraction and the usual TDfS methods?

Post something about Biden. We already know Trump owns you and the left.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 15, 2022, 10:36:10 AM
Do you think you could go 24 hours without trying to defend Trumpy through deflection, denial, distraction and the usual TDfS methods?
Making fun of you for being Trump obsessed is not a defense of Trump, it's simply me making fun of you for being an idiot, Tom. But then you're too stupid to see that, must be why you vote democrat. ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2022, 11:10:00 AM
Making fun of you for being Trump obsessed is not a defense of Trump, it's simply me making fun of you for being an idiot, Tom. But then you're too stupid to see that, must be why you vote democrat. ;)

No it’s why you are a Trumpturd.  This thread is about Trumpy and the seized docs.  Anything you want to post about that?  Or just want to post about those people who are posting about it?

Sucks to be a Trumpy supporter it seems.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2022, 11:11:10 AM
Post something about Biden. We already know Trump owns you and the left.

Biden = way to go.  Shit kicked that orange fatty so bad that he is still lying about a stolen election almost two years later.  Lying so bad his own daughter doesn’t believe him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 15, 2022, 01:10:23 PM
No it’s why you are a Trumpturd.  This thread is about Trumpy and the seized docs.  Anything you want to post about that?  Or just want to post about those people who are posting about it?

Sucks to be a Trumpy supporter it seems.
Prove it, Tom.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
Prove it, Tom.
.

You have already proven it page after page of this thread. 

This last reply is just another example of that proof. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2022, 08:19:35 AM
.

You have already proven it page after page of this thread. 

This last reply is just another example of that proof.
Proof you're a liar, worse than Biden, Tom.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 16, 2022, 08:49:55 AM
.

You have already proven it page after page of this thread. 

This last reply is just another example of that proof.

pathetic low IQ bitch, piss off Pedo.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 16, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Proof you're a liar, worse than Biden, Tom.

Proof you are more delusional than Trumpy! 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
pathetic little bitch talking like a 4 year old child, you are dismissed pedo.

Really starting to get annoying, repeats and repeats the same nonsense over and 3 times over.
Buzz... Buzz... Buzz...

No surprise to see you being humiliated yet again, now piss off you tiny Low IQ Pedo

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-24-2017/QofiRS.gif)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 17, 2022, 12:52:10 AM
Do you think you could go 24 hours without thinking or posting about Trump?
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a chronic condition that appears to have no cure.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on October 17, 2022, 05:00:47 AM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 06:16:37 AM
Really starting to get annoying, repeats and repeats the same nonsense over and 3 times over.
Buzz... Buzz... Buzz...
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-24-2017/QofiRS.gif)

He gets his buzz word for the day and then makes the same post on multiple threads.  This is why I should start requiring my stalkers to possess a GED at the minimum.  The level of projection is creepy.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 17, 2022, 06:27:34 AM
He gets his buzz word for the day and then makes the same post on multiple threads.  This is why I should start requiring my stalkers to possess a GED at the minimum.  The level of projection is creepy.

yet you are sexually gratified by the humiliation pedo  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2022, 08:38:38 AM
perhaps you and lurker could practice such abstinence for the same 24 hours  (chaos-lurking day) ?
When do I mention Trump outside of a response to his TDS?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 08:45:44 AM
When do I mention Trump outside of a response to his  of my TDfS?

Fixed.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
when did I mention tds?

TDS is his fall back excuse when he has nothing else to post (nearly always) or is unable to refute anything that was posted (always).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2022, 10:32:24 AM
when did I mention tds?
So you can't answer the question either. Are you a lurker gimmick?

TDS is his fall back excuse when he has nothing else to post (nearly always) or is unable to refute anything that was posted (always).
TDS is what you suffer from since you spend every waking minute thinking about another man.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 10:41:00 AM
So you can't answer the question either. Are you a lurker gimmick?
TDS is what you suffer from since you spend every waking minute thinking about another man.

What's it called when you spend every waking minute on an internet forum defending, deflecting, distracting and denying for another man (and then claim you don't)?

TDfS!!!!  That's what.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on October 17, 2022, 11:23:21 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
What's it called when you spend every waking minute on an internet forum defending, deflecting, distracting and denying for another man (and then claim you don't)?

TDfS!!!!  That's what.
We know you're not talking about me cause you can't link any of my posts defending any man. You on the other hand, post non-stop about the same guy no matter how menial the story. What's that called? Oh yeah, a crush, right, Tom?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a chronic condition that appears to have no cure.

There is no need for a cure/fix for something that isn't broken.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2022, 12:00:13 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

Not yet. Not sure how that makes any difference. If and when Trump is charged with a crime, you can be sure they have him dead to rights.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2022, 12:02:01 PM
He gets his buzz word for the day and then makes the same post on multiple threads.  This is why I should start requiring my stalkers to possess a GED at the minimum.  The level of projection is creepy.

Most people with at least a GED would not waste there time stalking someone on an internet forum unless they were totally off their rocker and that is always one possibility.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
We know you're not talking about me cause you can't link any of my posts defending any man. You on the other hand, post non-stop about the same guy no matter how menial the story. What's that called? Oh yeah, a crush, right, Tom?

And yet here is another one right here... didn't even have to search for this one.

Anytime facts about Trumpy are posted you are right there to deny, deflect, distraction, talk off topic and exhibit that TDfS.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 12:10:05 PM
Most people with at least a GED would not waste there time stalking someone on an internet forum unless they were totally off their rocker and that is always one possibility.

Maybe it's the Old Spice I wear that triggers his projections.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2022, 12:13:52 PM
Most people with at least a GED would not waste there time stalking someone on an internet forum unless they were totally off their rocker and that is always one possibility.
I agree, Lurker should get some help for his constant posts about a former President. Quite the obsessive character he has.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 12:19:04 PM
Can't post on topic.  Can't stop the TDfS.  Can't articulate a reply of original content.  Can't post in a way that doesn't come across the net like the way the teacher from Charlie Brown sounds.... 

But just has to say something.  If that isn't the definition of triggered I don't know what is.

The excuses are expanding faster than his waistline.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2022, 12:22:54 PM
Can't post on topic.  Can't stop the TDfS.  Can't articulate a reply of original content.  Can't post in a way that doesn't come across the net like the way the teacher from Charlie Brown sounds.... 

But just has to say something.  If that isn't the definition of triggered I don't know what is.

The excuses are expanding faster than his waistline.
Great self-diagnosis. :)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
Great self-diagnosis. :)

Can't post on topic.  Can't stop the TDfS.  Can't articulate a reply of original content.  Can't post in a way that doesn't come across the net like the way the teacher from Charlie Brown sounds.... 

But just has to say something.  If that isn't the definition of triggered I don't know what is.

The excuses are expanding faster than his waistline.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2022, 02:06:06 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

They are going to nail him for having overdue library books any day now.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 04:52:11 PM
They are going to nail him for having overdue library books any day now.

Absolutely not.  Everyone knows he can barely read.  His own advisors and appointees have gone on record saying in daily briefing they had to resort to using charts, buzz words, Enquire like headings, and pictures. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
Absolutely not.  Everyone knows he can barely read.  His own advisors and appointees have gone on record saying in daily briefing they had to resort to using charts, buzz words, Enquire like headings, and pictures.

Can you provide a link to that or did someone hear that from an "unknown source"
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on October 17, 2022, 06:40:30 PM
Maybe it's the Old Spice I wear that triggers his projections.

Ever spritz the balls?  ;D



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 06:44:56 PM
Can you provide a link to that or did someone hear that from an "unknown source"

Here you go retard.  Trumpy's attention span is almost as short as your own.  Almost.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+daily+briefing+needs+charts+killer+head+lines+and+pictures&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=6wROY_idEeuykvQPkYqK4Aw&ved=0ahUKEwi4v7zU0-j6AhVrmYQIHRGFAswQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=trump+daily+briefing+needs+charts+killer+head+lines+and+pictures&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFDxBljxBmC5CWgBcAB4AIABU4gBU5IBATGYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
Ever spritz the balls?  ;D



Naw... I don't want to encourage him too much.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
Maybe it's the Old Spice I wear that triggers his projections.

No doubt. Maybe try Grey Flannel cologne... manly, but with a hint of sophistication and ivy league. Good old soap and water clean smell is always a favorite. No matter what when wearing cologne, just a hint is always better than smelling like you bathed in it which makes one smell like a cheap whore and is sure to attract schmoes. ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2022, 06:51:06 PM
It's obvious he most likely sniffs the seat of the moped before getting on it on his way to the internet cafe.

It's bad I can't find a stalker with a minimum of a GED.... but I can't even find one in the same time zone.  They have to be on the other side of the world pretending to be pussy ass fake Germans with their other accounts. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2022, 06:55:20 PM
I agree, Lurker should get some help for his constant posts about a former President. Quite the obsessive character he has.

Maybe. But if this is true, there are a lot of folks on Getbig, regardless of political affiliation that come off seeming to need mental help with their obsessions. Never before that I can remember has this country been more polarized. Maybe the McCarthy era otherwise known as McCarthyism. "What was McCarthyism in the 1950s?
The political practice of publicizing accusations of disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence; and 2. The use of methods of investigation and accusation regarded as unfair, in order to suppress opposition. Senator McCarthy was censured by the U.S. Senate on December 2, 1954 and died May 2, 1957."

Does this seem at all familiar?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 18, 2022, 05:38:13 AM
Trumpy said in his speech, ‘We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.”

And the poorly educated love their TDfS posts.  Post a fact about Trumpy and they are instantly triggered. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 18, 2022, 05:42:52 AM
Trumpy said in his speech, ‘We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.”

And the poorly educated love their TDfS posts.  Post a fact about Trumpy and they are instantly triggered.

At least post like a teen, not a young child  - fucking Low IQ bitch...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on October 18, 2022, 08:02:10 AM
Not yet. Not sure how that makes any difference. If and when Trump is charged with a crime, you can be sure they have him dead to rights.

Makes no difference to you?  You don't want Trump to be charged with a crime?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2022, 11:06:34 AM
Makes no difference to you?  You don't want Trump to be charged with a crime?
What he means, like most brain dead liberals, is that as long as the media has convicted Trump of something, it doesn't matter if the courts do. Liberals are so easily manipulated, they are pathetic.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 18, 2022, 12:34:52 PM
And here's a post that is actually on topic to what this thread is about.   :)

The special master is playing no favorites.
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Trump Special Master Has ‘No Patience’ for Records Spats.

The special master reviewing documents seized from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate warned the former president’s lawyers that their initial efforts to claim certain records were personal and not presidential might be lacking enough detail.

“Where’s the beef? I need some beef,” US District Senior Judge Raymond Dearie told the attorneys during a telephone status hearing Tuesday.

Dearie also suggested there was a “certain incongruity” to Trump’s lawyers claiming so far that at least one document was both personal to Trump and covered by executive privilege, a protection that applies to government information.

Dearie chastised lawyers for Trump and the Justice Department for a dispute over a document Trump says is shielded by a privilege for legal materials. It’s an unsigned June 2017 letter from Trump’s personal law firm at the time to former special counsel Robert Mueller during his investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to a mistakenly unsealed list of materials previously reported by Bloomberg News.

Both sides sparred over who was responsible for confirming whether Trump’s attorneys actually sent the letter to the government. A Justice Department lawyer said it was the Trump team’s fault for not providing more fulsome information. One of Trump’s lawyers said the government would know if they had the document in their possession, suggesting there was “gamesmanship” afoot.

‘Nonsense Objections’

“I have no patience for either one of you on this point,” the judge warned, directing them to sort out what he considered to be a factual issue of whether it was sent or not.

“I don’t want to be dealing with nonsense objections,” Dearie said.

Dearie is reviewing an early list of disputes over a small subset of documents flagged as potentially privileged by a special government filter team. He said that neither side provided him with enough facts to make recommendations about Trump’s claims that certain documents are protected attorney-client communications or other legal work.

From Trump’s team, Dearie said he needed names of the former president’s personal lawyers and when they worked for him, details about any possible litigation related to a particular document, and whether evidence that a third party was involved with a document meant it couldn’t be privileged.

Dearie indicated he was skeptical of Trump’s claim that another set of documents flagged by the filter team was privileged, saying they didn’t appear to be drafted by his lawyers or feature legal advice. Dearie didn’t specify what those documents were about, but the page numbers he listed matched entries in the filter team log for documents related to Trump’s possible grants of executive clemency while he was president.

Personal or Privileged

Trump has argued in court that at least some government records should be off limits in the federal criminal probe because they should be considered “personal” under the Presidential Records Act or covered by executive privilege. Dearie indicated he would need more information from Trump’s lawyers to support such claims, saying the entries in the log he had received so far were “perplexing,” prompting his “beef” quip.

A complete log is due to Dearie by Nov. 12 of any records from more than 21,700 pages seized from Mar-a-Lago that Trump and the government disagree about shielding from investigators.

Dearie expressed “concern” that US District Judge Aileen Cannon, the south Florida jurist who appointed the special master, rejected his proposal for the parties to review documents in smaller batches and list disputes on a rolling basis. He said he didn’t know if there would be “10 or 10,000” areas of disagreement and was worried about having enough staff to go through them all before his Dec. 16 deadline.

Although he had no power to change Cannon’s timetable, he asked the parties to informally give him an early estimate of what to expect. He’ll submit recommendations about document disputes to Cannon, who will make the final rulings.

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2022, 03:56:51 PM
Makes no difference to you?  You don't want Trump to be charged with a crime?

It is right when someone gets what they deserve. It is wrong when they don't.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2022, 01:28:39 AM
Did President Trump get fined for his overdue library books yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 19, 2022, 06:17:00 AM
Did President Trump get fined for his overdue library books yet?

He hasn't finished coloring them yet.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 19, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
He hasn't finished coloring them yet.

is coloring books one of your "tools" when grooming ??
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 19, 2022, 04:47:31 PM
And here's a post that is actually on topic to what this thread is about.   :)

The special master is playing no favorites.
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Democrat witch hunt against former President continues....
Fixed
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 20, 2022, 02:36:31 AM
is coloring books one of your "tools" when grooming ??
:D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on October 20, 2022, 03:30:45 AM
is coloring books one of your "tools" when grooming ??

What are all these comments about?  Is Lurker a pedo?  That username doesn't help hide or deny it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 20, 2022, 04:20:13 AM
What are all these comments about?  Is Lurker a pedo?  That username doesn't help hide or deny it.

looks that way...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 20, 2022, 10:27:17 AM
What are all these comments about?  Is Lurker a pedo?  That username doesn't help hide or deny it.

My stalker is just pissed because my fan club doesn't allow anyone under 18.  In age or IQ.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 20, 2022, 02:24:50 PM
My stalker is just pissed because my fan club doesn't allow anyone under 18.  In age or IQ.

you have been outed creep...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2022, 04:56:56 PM
Did President Trump get fined for his overdue library books yet?

What a silly question. Trump can't read. Why would he have overdue library books. Or, did you mean picture books?  ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 20, 2022, 05:08:17 PM
What a silly question. Trump can't read. Why would he have overdue library books. Or, did you mean picture books?  ;D

Trumpy's Presidential Library will be finished as soon as he finishes with his Sharpie marker.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2022, 05:09:17 PM
What are all these comments about?  Is Lurker a pedo?  That username doesn't help hide or deny it.

LurkerNoMore isn't one, but 'The Gov' likely is. He's obsessed with 'pedo-cucks' and pedos in general. He's used the pedo insult hundreds of times. Not going to count them but the number is close to 153 which when he started posting on Getbig again last April. He is also obsessed with LurkerNoMore.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 20, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
LurkerNoMore isn't one, but 'The Gov' likely is. He's obsessed with 'pedo-cucks' and pedos in general. He's used the pedo insult hundreds of times. Not going to count them but the number is close to 153 which when he started posting on Getbig again last April. He is also obsessed with LurkerNoMore.

It's the Old Spice I tell ya!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2022, 06:25:32 PM
What a silly question. Trump can't read. Why would he have overdue library books. Or, did you mean picture books?  ;D
Not trying to be mean here, but shouldn't you be spending your final years playing with the grandkids instead of looking for acceptance for your fucked up liberal views from some random weirdo that calls himself a Lurker on getbig?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 20, 2022, 06:28:56 PM
Not trying to be mean here, but shouldn't you be spending your final years playing with the grandkids instead of looking for acceptance for your fucked up liberal views from some random weirdo that calls himself a Lurker on getbig?

As opposed to watching some fat cankled conehead claiming to be "chaos" constantly whine about facts being posted about the lying fraudulent orange turd whose ass houses his head nearly every waking hour?

You are begging for my attention almost as bad as The Cuk.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2022, 06:38:44 PM
As opposed to watching some fat cankled conehead claiming to be "chaos" constantly whine about facts being posted about the lying fraudulent orange turd whose ass houses his head nearly every waking hour?

You are begging for my attention almost as bad as The Cuk.
I'm begging for your attention, yet you responded to my post towards Prime. I'm here for you, little guy. You need a manly shoulder to cry on? I know I could never fill up the space in your heart dedicated to all things Trump but if I can distract you for just a few minutes maybe you'll have that moment of clarity and realize what a fucking idiot you come across as. ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 20, 2022, 06:40:49 PM
I'm begging for your attention, yet you responded to my post towards Prime. I'm here for you, little guy. You need a manly shoulder to cry on? I know I could never fill up the space in your heart dedicated to all things Trump but if I can distract you for just a few minutes maybe you'll have that moment of clarity and realize what a fucking idiot you come across as. ;D

As long as it's your shoulder and not those moobs you have.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 21, 2022, 05:46:07 AM
Not trying to be mean here, but shouldn't you be spending your final years playing with the grandkids instead of looking for acceptance for your fucked up liberal views from some random weirdo that calls himself a Lurker on getbig?

This Prime fella probably gets his sexual gratification from being humiliated,the same as LurkingForBoys - that is his special bond with LurkingForBoys
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 21, 2022, 11:58:54 AM
If the Record Archives punching him in the mouth over his silly lies about other Presidents and classified records wasn't bad enough.... even "low energy" Jeb Bush had to get his kicks in.

But don't worry Trumpettes, I am sure there will be an ALL CAPS shit post over the weekend from Trumpy to help you with the spin, denial, deflection, distraction, and off topic replies. 

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Former GOP presidential candidate and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appeared Thursday on Your World With Neil Cavuto and responded to former President Donald Trump’s accusation that Bush’s late father, former President George H.W. Bush, mishandled government documents after leaving office. Trump accused the 41st president of taking millions of documents to a former bowling alley and former Chinese restaurant.

"George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and a former Chinese restaurant, where they combined them. So they're in a bowling alley-slash-Chinese restaurant," Trump said at an Arizona rally earlier this month.

“Have you heard the southern expression, ‘Bless his heart’?” Bush said when asked about it. “You know, it’s, uh, bless his heart. I mean, this is kind of a weird accusation.”

Bush went on to explain how his father’s documents were handled by the National Archives.

“This was an abandoned bowling alley that they fixed up, that they secured, that had all the security necessary to make sure that national security matters were protected,” Bush said, “and they used that to build out the presidential library, just as every other president has done as well.”

As for Trump adding the part about the Chinese restaurant, Bush believes he was just trying to rile up his base.

“I think the added little feature of the Chinese restaurant,” Bush said, “kind of makes it all easier for the conspiratorialists [sic] to get all hot and bothered."

Trump has also accused former President Barack Obama of taking classified documents with him when he left office, an accusation the National Archives was quick to debunk. The documents Trump was referring to are not only not classified, but they’re currently being stored at a National Archives facility outside Chicago. All classified documents remain in a D.C. facility.

Trump’s continued accusations come amid mounting losses for him and his legal team in the case against him for taking classified documents to his Mar-a-Lago home. Bush believes that Trump is trying to equate what he did with the legal actions of other former presidents.

“I think what he wants to say is there — you know, everybody does it, basically. Everybody takes documents and store them at their, you know, at their hotel or at a bowling alley, and that he didn’t do anything wrong,” Bush said, adding, “The simple fact is that equating the National Archives employees doing their duty in the proper way is a far cry from keeping national security papers in Mar-a-Lago.”
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2022, 05:41:53 PM
As long as it's your shoulder and not those moobs you have.
How's the witch hunt, Tom?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 21, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
How's the witch hunt, Tom?

Coming along fine.

Got you triggered, so it must be doing something right.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2022, 08:25:53 PM
Coming along fine.

Got you triggered, so it must be doing something right.
Triggered would be more of a word used to describe someone the incessantly posts dozens of times a day about the same guy, day after day, post after post, living in the past, trying to avoid dealing with the current abortion of an administration, Tom.  ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 22, 2022, 05:24:04 AM
Triggered would be more of a word used to describe someone the incessantly posts dozens of times a day about the same guy, day after day, post after post, living in the past, trying to avoid dealing with the current abortion of an administration, Tom.  ;)

he has no life, this is it, he gets off on being humiliated here.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 22, 2022, 05:12:19 PM
Not trying to be mean here, but shouldn't you be spending your final years playing with the grandkids instead of looking for acceptance for your fucked up liberal views from some random weirdo that calls himself a Lurker on getbig?

Chaos, your question doesn't seem at all mean to me. It is a bit uninformed though.

I do not need acceptance from anyone for my 'liberal' views any more than you need it for your conservative ones. Lurker seems like an okay fellow based on his Getbig posts. But then, determining a person's character based on their Getbig persona is probably not the best idea. 

My grandkids are all adults in their 20's and 30's. They would likely think it was a bit weird if I asked to 'play' with them. We communicate via the internet and on the phone on a very regular basis. One grandson and his fiancé share the house with me, as do my daughter and son-in-law. We all interact daily. Between work, school and taking care of their daughter my grandson and his fiancé have a full life.

I spend time with my great-granddaughter who is 30 months old. Recently, I got new hearing aids and for the first time can sort of make out what my she’s saying. She is a bit of a screamer… this comes with the terrible twos. 

My other two great-grandchildren live in German. The older of who is my great-grandson. He just started first grade this fall. I had hoped to visit Germany last September to celebrate his starting school, but that didn't work out on my end. Hopefully, we'll all get together next summer.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2022, 08:00:51 PM
Coming along fine.

Got you triggered, so it must be doing something right.

Not really, just showing what a retard and coward (along with others on here) you are. Fuck son, you can’t even provide a link. Admittedly, it’s getting pretty close that the fake “insurrection” should be the least of the leftists worries.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2022, 06:44:17 AM
Not really, just showing what a retard and coward (along with others on here) you are. Fuck son, you can’t even provide a link. Admittedly, it’s getting pretty close that the fake “insurrection” should be the least of the leftists worries.

It's been two months?  And already Trumpy is on the fourth or fifth lie about it that even his defense attorney won't touch or include in their motions.   ::)

Fuck retard, you can't even use Google and find the information yourself.  Multiple sources reporting the same thing.  Take your pick or find evidence to refute it.  Which you can't.  You never can.  Because evidence and facts are useless to Fragile X geriatrics like yourself.  It's Mother Nature's way of helping you cope with a reality you can't handle.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 23, 2022, 10:07:57 AM
It's been two months?  And already Trumpy is on the fourth or fifth lie about it that even his defense attorney won't touch or include in their motions.   ::)

Fuck retard, you can't even use Google and find the information yourself.  Multiple sources reporting the same thing.  Take your pick or find evidence to refute it.  Which you can't.  You never can.  Because evidence and facts are useless to Fragile X geriatrics like yourself.  It's Mother Nature's way of helping you cope with a reality you can't handle.

You’re so confident his lying with multiple sources reporting you can’t even provide links to your bullshit
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 23, 2022, 01:18:04 PM
in hindsight, have you any idea how unhealthy that question is ?
In hindsight, I realize that you stalk getbig while logged off, then log in to make some remark, then log right back off to hide again. Very gimmick-like.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
You’re so confident his lying with multiple sources reporting you can’t even provide links to your bullshit

You are so stupid you can't even google any part of the article and prove it wrong.   ::)

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
In hindsight, I realize that you stalk getbig while logged off, then log in to make some remark, then log right back off to hide again. Very gimmick-like.

No.  But if you need to believe this then go ahead. 

Obviously that extra space in that conehead wasn't filled with gray matter.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 23, 2022, 01:58:30 PM
You are so stupid you can't even google any part of the article and prove it wrong.   ::)

says the low IQ bitch who cant even spell Trump...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 23, 2022, 02:09:38 PM
No.  But if you need to believe this then go ahead. 

Obviously that extra space in that conehead wasn't filled with gray matter.
You're so vain, you probably think that post was about you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on October 23, 2022, 02:17:57 PM
You're so vain, you probably think that post was about you.

Well done, brother!  ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on October 23, 2022, 02:21:41 PM
Well done, brother!  ;D
You sang it didn't you? ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2022, 02:36:35 PM
You're so vain, you probably think that post was about you.

Very good, Chaos! Written 51 years ago by Carly Simon 'Your So Vain", (I bet you think this song is about you) was released in 1972. She was nominated for three Grammy's for Your So Vain in 1974. Love those lyrics. They still ring true for many people.

(https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/cdn.watch.aetnd.com/sites/5/2018/01/CarlySimon.jpg)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2022, 02:37:55 PM
You sang it didn't you? ;D

I don't know anyone who didn't sing those lyrics. Everyone was singing them.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on October 23, 2022, 03:52:33 PM
You sang it didn't you? ;D


If only I could sing, LOL! 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2022, 05:23:57 PM
You're so vain, you probably think that post was about you.

No vanity in it at all.  Just facts.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on October 24, 2022, 05:53:21 AM
No vanity in it at all.  Just facts.

facts about a pedo ? ok that makes sense now.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on January 09, 2023, 04:21:26 PM
Double standards.

DOJ reviewing potentially classified docs at Biden center

Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber said “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered as Biden's personal attorneys were clearing out the offices of the Penn Biden Center, where the president kept an office after he left the vice presidency in 2017 until shortly before he launched his 2020 presidential campaign in 2019. The documents were found on Nov. 2, 2022, in a “locked closet” in the office, Sauber said.

Irrespective of the Justice Department review, the revelation that Biden potentially mishandled classified or presidential records could prove to be a political headache for the president, who called Trump's decision to keep hundreds of such records at his private club in Florida “irresponsible."

Trump weighed in Monday on his social media site, asking, “When is the FBI going to raid the many homes of Joe Biden, perhaps even the White House?”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj-reviewing-potentially-classified-docs-225623683.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 09, 2023, 04:51:05 PM
No double standards is when whining and lies and finger pointing occurs.  Let's wait until then.   :)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: jude2 on January 09, 2023, 05:07:29 PM
Double standards.

DOJ reviewing potentially classified docs at Biden center

Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber said “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered as Biden's personal attorneys were clearing out the offices of the Penn Biden Center, where the president kept an office after he left the vice presidency in 2017 until shortly before he launched his 2020 presidential campaign in 2019. The documents were found on Nov. 2, 2022, in a “locked closet” in the office, Sauber said.

Irrespective of the Justice Department review, the revelation that Biden potentially mishandled classified or presidential records could prove to be a political headache for the president, who called Trump's decision to keep hundreds of such records at his private club in Florida “irresponsible."

Trump weighed in Monday on his social media site, asking, “When is the FBI going to raid the many homes of Joe Biden, perhaps even the White House?”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj-reviewing-potentially-classified-docs-225623683.html
Of course nothing to see here.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 09, 2023, 05:40:13 PM
It’s all over the news now
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on January 10, 2023, 12:33:32 AM
It’s all over the news now

MSM actually reporting it !!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: IroNat on January 10, 2023, 04:20:49 AM
Joe Biden is a threat to national security?

Who knew?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on January 10, 2023, 05:02:40 AM
Double standards.

DOJ reviewing potentially classified docs at Biden center

Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber said “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered as Biden's personal attorneys were clearing out the offices of the Penn Biden Center, where the president kept an office after he left the vice presidency in 2017 until shortly before he launched his 2020 presidential campaign in 2019. The documents were found on Nov. 2, 2022, in a “locked closet” in the office, Sauber said.

Irrespective of the Justice Department review, the revelation that Biden potentially mishandled classified or presidential records could prove to be a political headache for the president, who called Trump's decision to keep hundreds of such records at his private club in Florida “irresponsible."

Trump weighed in Monday on his social media site, asking, “When is the FBI going to raid the many homes of Joe Biden, perhaps even the White House?”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj-reviewing-potentially-classified-docs-225623683.html

Notice how the media is already reporting it:

"potentially classified docs", even though later they say "documents with classified markings."

Not only that, but they say “a small number of documents with classified markings”   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 10, 2023, 07:34:57 PM
MSM actually reporting it !!

I watched a comprehensive news story on CNN tonight about it tonight. It would be pretty hard for MSM to ignore this issue.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on January 10, 2023, 07:52:23 PM
I watched a comprehensive news story on CNN tonight about it tonight. It would be pretty hard for MSM to ignore this issue.

He doesn't get CNN in the shit hole country in which he resides.  Gas has become too expensive for him to even ride his moped to the nearest internet cafe.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on January 10, 2023, 08:07:09 PM
I watched a comprehensive news story on CNN tonight about it tonight. It would be pretty hard for MSM to ignore this issue.

And their take on what if anything should happen is ?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 10, 2023, 09:37:00 PM
He doesn't get CNN in the shit hole country in which he resides.  Gas has become too expensive for him to even ride his moped to the nearest internet cafe.

That's going to leave a mark.   :D

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 16, 2023, 12:40:21 AM
And their take on what if anything should happen is ?

Since when does the media have any say in what should happen? Their job is to report what has already happened.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on January 16, 2023, 04:36:23 AM
Former FBI assistant director sees 'glaring disparity' in DOJ's 'kid gloves' treatment of Biden

A former FBI assistant director is blasting the bureau for its "glaring disparity" in how the agency has approached the situations surrounding President Biden and former President Donald Trump's handling of classified materials.

"You know, it's kid-gloves, it's going about it in a very nice way, very genteel," Swecker said, noting that the Justice Department is seemingly allowing Biden allies to decide what is looked through and what isn't, as well as what is taken from the properties and what isn't.

Under pressure from Republicans, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel Thursday to investigate the classified materials, which Biden claims were "inadvertently misplaced." Garland tapped Robert Hur, a former U.S. attorney, to handle the investigation.

Asked why the FBI is leaving the search of Biden's Delaware residence for additional classified materials to White House aides, Swecker said there should have already "been an open investigation" and that it reminds him of how the FBI treated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was able to avoid charges for her use of a private email server during her tenure.

"I think it's bad for the FBI to go using search warrants to do that sorta thing," he added. "They should subpoena and they should do this in a way that is short of conducting an outright raid. But that's not what they did with Trump – they just raided his Mar-a-Lago residence.… If it's good for Trump, it should have been good for Biden, as well. There is a disparity of how this very identical set of circumstances were handled."

Swecker also said he believes the documents found at Mar-a-Lago were in a much safer spot than those found in Biden's Delaware home, which served as his residence for the time between his role as vice president and president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-fbi-assistant-director-sees-130026730.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 16, 2023, 08:07:26 PM
Former FBI assistant director sees 'glaring disparity' in DOJ's 'kid gloves' treatment of Biden

A former FBI assistant director is blasting the bureau for its "glaring disparity" in how the agency has approached the situations surrounding President Biden and former President Donald Trump's handling of classified materials.

"You know, it's kid-gloves, it's going about it in a very nice way, very genteel," Swecker said, noting that the Justice Department is seemingly allowing Biden allies to decide what is looked through and what isn't, as well as what is taken from the properties and what isn't.

Under pressure from Republicans, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel Thursday to investigate the classified materials, which Biden claims were "inadvertently misplaced." Garland tapped Robert Hur, a former U.S. attorney, to handle the investigation.

Asked why the FBI is leaving the search of Biden's Delaware residence for additional classified materials to White House aides, Swecker said there should have already "been an open investigation" and that it reminds him of how the FBI treated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was able to avoid charges for her use of a private email server during her tenure.

"I think it's bad for the FBI to go using search warrants to do that sorta thing," he added. "They should subpoena and they should do this in a way that is short of conducting an outright raid. But that's not what they did with Trump – they just raided his Mar-a-Lago residence.… If it's good for Trump, it should have been good for Biden, as well. There is a disparity of how this very identical set of circumstances were handled."

Swecker also said he believes the documents found at Mar-a-Lago were in a much safer spot than those found in Biden's Delaware home, which served as his residence for the time between his role as vice president and president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-fbi-assistant-director-sees-130026730.html

I think this is gold for Trump supporters. But for everyone else, They know Swecker is a regular on Fox and came out against the raid on Trumps Mara Largo property. He is to say the least biased. Even the most staunch Trump supporter excluding a couple on here will admit the handling of the discovery between Bidens team and Trumps team is totally different and therefore different means are used. If you can't see that, you are likely in the "excluding a couple on here" category.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 16, 2023, 09:03:39 PM
Former FBI assistant director sees 'glaring disparity' in DOJ's 'kid gloves' treatment of Biden

A former FBI assistant director is blasting the bureau for its "glaring disparity" in how the agency has approached the situations surrounding President Biden and former President Donald Trump's handling of classified materials.

"You know, it's kid-gloves, it's going about it in a very nice way, very genteel," Swecker said, noting that the Justice Department is seemingly allowing Biden allies to decide what is looked through and what isn't, as well as what is taken from the properties and what isn't.

Under pressure from Republicans, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel Thursday to investigate the classified materials, which Biden claims were "inadvertently misplaced." Garland tapped Robert Hur, a former U.S. attorney, to handle the investigation.

Asked why the FBI is leaving the search of Biden's Delaware residence for additional classified materials to White House aides, Swecker said there should have already "been an open investigation" and that it reminds him of how the FBI treated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was able to avoid charges for her use of a private email server during her tenure.

"I think it's bad for the FBI to go using search warrants to do that sorta thing," he added. "They should subpoena and they should do this in a way that is short of conducting an outright raid. But that's not what they did with Trump – they just raided his Mar-a-Lago residence.… If it's good for Trump, it should have been good for Biden, as well. There is a disparity of how this very identical set of circumstances were handled."

Swecker also said he believes the documents found at Mar-a-Lago were in a much safer spot than those found in Biden's Delaware home, which served as his residence for the time between his role as vice president and president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-fbi-assistant-director-sees-130026730.html

Absolute double standard.  Bunch of fascist hypocrites. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on January 17, 2023, 04:53:29 AM
I think this is gold for Trump supporters. But for everyone else, They know Swecker is a regular on Fox and came out against the raid on Trumps Mara Largo property. He is to say the least biased. Even the most staunch Trump supporter excluding a couple on here will admit the handling of the discovery between Bidens team and Trumps team is totally different and therefore different means are used. If you can't see that, you are likely in the "excluding a couple on here" category.

You mean like:

1.  The White House lied saying previously that only a single page was found at Biden's private library, when they actually found six.

2. The White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records found at Biden's private library.

3. The White House waited more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office.

4.  Biden kept and hid classified documents for six years.

5.  Biden kept classified documents in very insecure locations.

Some fine handling there.

Are you still thanking God everyday for Hunter Biden?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 17, 2023, 02:12:58 PM
Since when does the media have any say in what should happen? Their job is to report what has already happened.

Their job is to report whatever the Democrats tell them to report
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 17, 2023, 08:22:03 PM
Absolute double standard.  Bunch of fascist hypocrites.
The complete disassociation and detachment these delusional liberals create in their minds and put on public display when their hypocrisy becomes to glaring obvious to ignore is astounding to me.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 17, 2023, 10:31:22 PM
The complete disassociation and detachment these delusional liberals create in their minds and put on public display when their hypocrisy becomes to glaring obvious to ignore is astounding to me.

6 years at least of snide attacks with "delusional" attached to anyone who disagrees with your views.. have you not matured at all? are you capable of actually conversing as an adult? You're not alone and I understand the sad unfortunate "pride"  of this forum is to be jerks to people you don't know.. but what if we all started having civil discussions and leave the immature attacks to the immature on here?  I'm more than willing to go first.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 18, 2023, 12:26:18 AM
Their job is to report whatever the Democrats tell them to report

Enjoy your delusions while they last.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 18, 2023, 12:42:42 AM
Enjoy your delusions while they last.

It tends to help them justify their positions of any opposing view is suspect. This includes, local judges, state judges, state supreme courts, us supreme courts, republican AG's,, If the conclusion doesn't jive with FOX or Breitbart then it is unequivocally dismissed. There is a guy on this forum to this day believes Trump won the election. That is just baffling to anyone with common sense. It's like trying to make sense of Tom Cruise or John Travolta being Scientologist. It defies logic. But it is what it is 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 18, 2023, 06:31:24 AM
6 years at least of snide attacks with "delusional" attached to anyone who disagrees with your views.. have you not matured at all? are you capable of actually conversing as an adult? You're not alone and I understand the sad unfortunate "pride"  of this forum is to be jerks to people you don't know.. but what if we all started having civil discussions and leave the immature attacks to the immature on here?  I'm more than willing to go first.

Hey at least he isn't using the throwaway "TDS" excuse as much anymore for all things irrelevant. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on January 18, 2023, 08:53:12 AM
Hey at least he isn't using the throwaway "TDS" excuse as much anymore for all things irrelevant.

Dumb Low IQ bitch trying so hard to appear somewhat relevant/smart, fail by the loser in life - and humiliated yet again by everyone here  ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 18, 2023, 10:29:42 AM
Enjoy your delusions while they last.

I see. So you’re saying the Dems aren’t involved with shaping the medias reporting of the their narratives?

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: jude2 on January 18, 2023, 01:12:47 PM
Love how they stick to a certain talking point.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2023, 08:00:34 PM
6 years at least of snide attacks with "delusional" attached to anyone who disagrees with your views.. have you not matured at all? are you capable of actually conversing as an adult? You're not alone and I understand the sad unfortunate "pride"  of this forum is to be jerks to people you don't know.. but what if we all started having civil discussions and leave the immature attacks to the immature on here?  I'm more than willing to go first.
6 years of your arrogance and denial of any wrongdoing by people like you and of course, it's always the other side that's in the wrong. Maybe if you were capable of recognizing and acknowledging the similarities of the two situations, you would be more credible in some sort of debate. However, from what I can see, you are still a party line follower trying to deflect any blame from your guy and living in this delusional world where your views and opinions are the only ones that matter or are valid. You guys infected with TDS have let it ruin your perception of reality, if you ever had one.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 18, 2023, 10:38:07 PM
6 years of your arrogance and denial of any wrongdoing by people like you and of course, it's always the other side that's in the wrong. Maybe if you were capable of recognizing and acknowledging the similarities of the two situations, you would be more credible in some sort of debate. However, from what I can see, you are still a party line follower trying to deflect any blame from your guy and living in this delusional world where your views and opinions are the only ones that matter or are valid. You guys infected with TDS have let it ruin your perception of reality, if you ever had one.

Chaos, I have been critical of both parties. I have said more than once I am not a fan of Bidens. I just think he was less dangerous than Trump.
I have not made excuses for Biden having classified documents he was not authorized to possess.
It's almost like you have skimmed my posts of the last 6 yeas and gleaned an inaccurate picture 
I've voted for Republican and Democratic presidents.
And as far as living in a world where I believe my views are the only ones that matter is a bit over dramatical. Depending on the subject, I usually feel comfortable with my opinion but hold that I may be wrong. An example of where that wouldn't be the case is if someone said they believe the election was stolen and Trump won. While my nature is to consider thier opinion as potentially valid, the overwhelming evidence is pretty clear that they are wrong. If I'm being unreasonable for thinking that.... then I guess I am unreasonable.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 18, 2023, 10:51:06 PM
Chaos, I have been critical of both parties. I have said more than once I am not a fan of Bidens. I just think he was less dangerous than Trump.
I have not made excuses for Biden having classified documents he was not authorized to possess.
It's almost like you have skimmed my posts of the last 6 yeas and gleaned an inaccurate picture 
I've voted for Republican and Democratic presidents.
And as far as living in a world where I believe my views are the only ones that matter is a bit over dramatical. Depending on the subject, I usually feel comfortable with my opinion but hold that I may be wrong. An example of where that wouldn't be the case is if someone said they believe the election was stolen and Trump won. While my nature is to consider thier opinion as potentially valid, the overwhelming evidence is pretty clear that they are wrong. If I'm being unreasonable for thinking that.... then I guess I am unreasonable.   

Don't you get it? On Getbig, you are either all in or your all out. There is no middle ground here! Getbiggers believe it is a 'we' verses 'they' world and 'they' are anyone who questions them. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 19, 2023, 06:09:52 AM
Hey at least he isn't using the throwaway "TDS" excuse as much anymore for all things irrelevant.

 ::)

6 years of your arrogance and denial of any wrongdoing by people like you and of course, it's always the other side that's in the wrong. Maybe if you were capable of recognizing and acknowledging the similarities of the two situations, you would be more credible in some sort of debate. However, from what I can see, you are still a party line follower trying to deflect any blame from your guy and living in this delusional world where your views and opinions are the only ones that matter or are valid. You guys infected with TDS have let it ruin your perception of reality, if you ever had one.

Well that didn't last long.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 19, 2023, 10:57:03 AM
Chaos, I have been critical of both parties. I have said more than once I am not a fan of Bidens. I just think he was less dangerous than Trump.
I have not made excuses for Biden having classified documents he was not authorized to possess.
It's almost like you have skimmed my posts of the last 6 yeas and gleaned an inaccurate picture 
I've voted for Republican and Democratic presidents.
And as far as living in a world where I believe my views are the only ones that matter is a bit over dramatical. Depending on the subject, I usually feel comfortable with my opinion but hold that I may be wrong. An example of where that wouldn't be the case is if someone said they believe the election was stolen and Trump won. While my nature is to consider thier opinion as potentially valid, the overwhelming evidence is pretty clear that they are wrong. If I'm being unreasonable for thinking that.... then I guess I am unreasonable.   

Stop trying to act like you are some unbiased voice of reason.  You wished for the death of Republicans and conservatives who didn't wear masks. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 19, 2023, 03:56:03 PM
6 years of your arrogance and denial of any wrongdoing by people like you and of course, it's always the other side that's in the wrong. Maybe if you were capable of recognizing and acknowledging the similarities of the two situations, you would be more credible in some sort of debate. However, from what I can see, you are still a party line follower trying to deflect any blame from your guy and living in this delusional world where your views and opinions are the only ones that matter or are valid. You guys infected with TDS have let it ruin your perception of reality, if you ever had one.

Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome or ATDS is when Trump’s faults are always overlooked in favor of criticizing Trump’s critics.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2023, 08:21:27 PM
Chaos, I have been critical of both parties. I have said more than once I am not a fan of Bidens. I just think he was less dangerous than Trump.
I have not made excuses for Biden having classified documents he was not authorized to possess.
It's almost like you have skimmed my posts of the last 6 yeas and gleaned an inaccurate picture 
I've voted for Republican and Democratic presidents.
And as far as living in a world where I believe my views are the only ones that matter is a bit over dramatical. Depending on the subject, I usually feel comfortable with my opinion but hold that I may be wrong. An example of where that wouldn't be the case is if someone said they believe the election was stolen and Trump won. While my nature is to consider thier opinion as potentially valid, the overwhelming evidence is pretty clear that they are wrong. If I'm being unreasonable for thinking that.... then I guess I am unreasonable.   
You've consistently and constantly supported leftist liberal views and ideas. You may think you have been critical of both parties but your neutrality is to be questioned.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2023, 08:22:20 PM
::)

Well that didn't last long.
Nobody likes you, you are small and weak and depend on the government to tell you how to live your life. Pathetic.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on January 20, 2023, 06:53:08 AM
Nobody likes you, you are small and weak and depend on the government to tell you how to live your life. Pathetic.

Exactly - on top of that his weak low IQ mind now believes grooming children to be genderless is a great feat.  His hero is the senile corrupt groping/sniffing sexual predator Biden as told to him by CNN.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 20, 2023, 07:52:36 AM
Nobody likes you, you are small and weak and depend on the government to tell you how to live your life. Pathetic.

What is pathetic is feeling the urge to run showcase your TDfS every time a fact about the orange turd is posted.  We get it... it triggers you.  Let those tears of impotent rage out....   it will keep them from pooling in those cankles, waist and moobs. 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 20, 2023, 07:59:19 AM
Another day, another excuse.   :D

The folders were empty?  HAHAHAHA  yet it is clear in the photos they were not.  Never mind the fact that it destroys his previous excuse of "everybody brings work home with them."

Spin on retards.... 


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Trump claims documents found at Mar-a-Lago were empty folders labeled 'classified' that he'd kept because they were 'cool'.

Former President Donald Trump claimed Wednesday that the government documents the FBI recovered from Mar-a-Lago last summer were just empty folders marked "classified" or "confidential."

"When I was in the Oval Office, or elsewhere, * 'papers' were distributed to groups of people & me, they would often be in a striped paper folder with 'Classified' or 'Confidential' or another word on them," he wrote on his Twitter-esque social media site Truth Social. "When the session was over, they would collect the paper(s), but not the folders, & I saved hundreds of them."

He added: "Remember, these were just ordinary, inexpensive folders with various words printed on them, but they were a 'cool' keepsake." Trump also referred to the FBI as the "Gestapo" and "Trump Hating Marxist Thugs," saying that perhaps they "took some of these empty folders when they Raided Mar-a-Lago, & counted them as a document, which they are not." And he reiterated the false claim that the FBI "planted" evidence at Mar-a-Lago when it executed a search warrant at the property in August — a claim his lawyers have stopped short of repeating in court filings.

The former president's claim that the FBI merely recovered empty folders from Mar-a-Lago is untrue, according to photos released by the Justice Department of materials seized from Trump's south Florida estate.

There is also no proof that the FBI planted evidence at Mar-a-Lago. Senior judge Raymond Dearie, who was shortly appointed "special master" in the case, repeatedly pressed Trump's legal team to provide proof of his claim that documents were planted at his Florida home. They did not provide any such evidence, and a federal appeals court nullified Dearie's appointment in December.

Trump on Wednesday also accused President Joe Biden, who's facing his own federal investigation connected to his mishandling of classified information, of having violated the law.

"Biden is being treated so much better than me, I'm shocked (not really!)," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "Why aren't they raiding his house, & how come his representatives and lawyers are allowed to work together with the Gestapo in looking for documents, when my lawyers & representatives were not allowed anywhere near the search. We weren't even allowed to know what they took when they raided my home."

Legal scholars and DOJ veterans have pointed out, however, that the feds were forced to execute a search warrant for Trump's home because he resisted turning over thousands of pages of sensitive records over more than 18 months of negotiations between his legal team and the US government.

In Biden's case, according to the White House and media reports, the president's lawyers informed the National Archives immediately after discovering a cache of classified records at his old office at a Washington, DC, think tank in November.

Following that discovery, Biden's legal team undertook an "exhaustive" search and uncovered a second batch of classified documents at another location, NBC News reported last week. The White House has said that the president was not aware of what information is contained in the documents and that he and his lawyers are cooperating with the Justice Department as it investigates Biden's improper storage of government documents.

The development has put the Justice Department and Attorney General Merrick Garland in the unprecedented position of overseeing two concurrent special counsel investigations — one focusing on Trump, run by special counsel Jack Smith, and the other focusing on Biden, run by special counsel Robert Hur — into the current and former president's handling of national security information.

But legal experts cautioned against conflating the two inquiries based on what's currently known, saying that while the Biden matter should be scrutinized through a criminal and counterintelligence lens, there are key differences between it and the Mar-a-Lago documents case in terms of both scale and scope.

"This only seems like a big deal because of the Trump issue, when in fact it shares characteristics not with Trump's fact set, but with all the other incidents the public never hears about," Matt Miller, a former DOJ spokesperson under the Obama administration, told Insider last week.

Barbara McQuade, the former US attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, also told Insider that Biden's case appears to be different from Trump's because it doesn't appear to have "aggravating factors" — like obstruction of justice and willful violation of the law — that Trump's does.
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 20, 2023, 05:53:04 PM
What is pathetic is feeling the urge to run showcase your TDfS every time a fact about the orange turd is posted.  We get it... it triggers you.  Let those tears of impotent rage out....   it will keep them from pooling in those cankles, waist and moobs.
As we all understand that your TDS is a way for you to cope with this abortion of an administration that you voted for, right Tom?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 20, 2023, 08:08:05 PM
As we all understand that your TDS is a way for you to cope with this abortion of an administration that you voted for, right Tom?

We all understand that your TDfS is a way for you to cope with your infatuation and frustration of the orange turd and him losing the election, right Fetter?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 21, 2023, 05:30:08 PM
We all understand that your TDfS is a way for you to cope with your infatuation and frustration of the orange turd and him losing the election, right Fetter?
Have you always been this obsessed with Trump or is this an addiction you picked up when he beat Killary? Have you considered trying therapy to learn to cope with the current abortion of an administration?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 21, 2023, 07:11:42 PM
Nobody likes you, you are small and weak and depend on the government to tell you how to live your life. Pathetic.

So, in effect you are saying; Nobody loves him, everybody hates him, you think he should go eat worms. This seems a bit childish on your part - but carry on.

I am somebody and I like him. I don't see him as small and weak. Small weak people don’t stand up to ‘cone heads’, like you. Sorry, couldn’t resist posting that. Guess I can be a bit childish at times too.  :-[ 

Our government whether local, state, or federal is responsible for passing laws, they do 'sort of' tell everyone how to live their lives. As if people need to be told to be law abiding. When someone breaks the law, many of them really think it is pathetic that government has this power over them. These are the people who rarely take responsibility for their own mistakes... so they blame someone else, like the government.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2023, 07:14:33 PM
o comments.

FBI searched Biden home, found documents marked classified
Associated Press via Currently ^ | January 22, 2023 | Zeke Miller & Michael Balsamo
Posted on 1/21/2023, 8:10:54 PM by John W

The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Friday and located six additional documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.

Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer, said the search of the entire premises lasted nearly 13 hours. The apparently classified documents spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president. The level of classification, and whether they remained classified, was not immediately clear as the Justice Department reviews the records.

The search followed more than a week after Biden’s attorneys found six other classified documents in the president’s home library from his time as vice president, and nearly three months after lawyers found a small number of classified records at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. It came a day after Biden maintained that “there’s no there there" on the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office.

(Excerpt) Read more at currently.att.yahoo.com ...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 21, 2023, 07:15:48 PM
Have you always been this obsessed with Trump or is this an addiction you picked up when he beat Killary? Have you considered trying therapy to learn to cope with the current abortion of an administration?

-Butting in here. Your comment about therapy has me wondering, since you seem to be someone  who is having difficulty coping with the current administration, have you considered counseling or seeing a therapist for this problem?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 22, 2023, 06:30:11 AM
Have you always been this obsessed with Trump or is this an addiction you picked up when he beat Killary? Have you considered trying therapy to learn to cope with the current abortion of an administration?

Have you always been this obsessed with defending Trumpy or is this an addiction you picked up whenever facts about him are posted?  Have you considered trying therapy to learn to cope with facts about the orange turd being posted as opposed to his childless lies and baseless claims or does it interfere with you having your head up his ass?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 22, 2023, 06:35:18 AM
So, in effect you are saying; Nobody loves him, everybody hates him, you think he should go eat worms. This seems a bit childish on your part - but carry on.

I am somebody and I like him. I don't see him as small and weak. Small weak people don’t stand up to ‘cone heads’, like you. Sorry, couldn’t resist posting that. Guess I can be a bit childish at times too.  :-[ 

Our government whether local, state, or federal is responsible for passing laws, they do 'sort of' tell everyone how to live their lives. As if people need to be told to be law abiding. When someone breaks the law, many of them really think it is pathetic that government has this power over them. These are the people who rarely take responsibility for their own mistakes... so they blame someone else, like the government.

Being called small and weak by someone whose body is modeled after the dimensions of a butt plug really isn't a big deal:

narrow round top - that cone head
wide and fat at the midway point - that 50 inch waist of his
short stubby base - those lesbian cankles that look like they are off a Lego character

But if it makes him feel better believing something false about another, who can take that from him?

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 22, 2023, 12:17:09 PM
So, in effect you are saying; Nobody loves him, everybody hates him, you think he should go eat worms. This seems a bit childish on your part - but carry on.

I am somebody and I like him. I don't see him as small and weak. Small weak people don’t stand up to ‘cone heads’, like you. Sorry, couldn’t resist posting that. Guess I can be a bit childish at times too.  :-[ 

Our government whether local, state, or federal is responsible for passing laws, they do 'sort of' tell everyone how to live their lives. As if people need to be told to be law abiding. When someone breaks the law, many of them really think it is pathetic that government has this power over them. These are the people who rarely take responsibility for their own mistakes... so they blame someone else, like the government.
Seems a bit childish on your part.

-Butting in here. Your comment about therapy has me wondering, since you seem to be someone  who is having difficulty coping with the current administration, have you considered counseling or seeing a therapist for this problem?
Did you seek therapy after you cheated on your wife with another man ???

Have you always been this obsessed with defending Trumpy or is this an addiction you picked up whenever facts about him are posted?  Have you considered trying therapy to learn to cope with facts about the orange turd being posted as opposed to his childless lies and baseless claims or does it interfere with you having your head up his ass?
Point out all my posts defending Trump, Tom. Making fun of you for being an obsessed dipshit just isn't the same, deal with it, you small, weak, manlet. :-*
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 22, 2023, 01:07:40 PM

Point out all my posts defending Trump, Tom. Making fun of you for being an obsessed dipshit just isn't the same, deal with it, you small, weak, manlet. :-*

Here is a perfect example.  A thread about factual events at Trumpys home and you are posting off topic replies any chance you get.  Deflecting is the same as defending.

TDfS to the max Fetterbro.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 22, 2023, 02:13:51 PM
Here is a perfect example.  A thread about factual events at Trumpys home and you are posting off topic replies any chance you get.  Deflecting is the same as defending.

TDfS to the max Fetterbro.

Deflection may be all some people have. It is also a piss-poor defense.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 22, 2023, 03:09:33 PM
Here is a perfect example.  A thread about factual events at Trumpys home and you are posting off topic replies any chance you get.  Deflecting is the same as defending.

TDfS to the max Fetterbro.
All of your threads are about Trump, maybe you should be relegated to one thread? That would really clean up the shitpost you bring to the politics board. That's a good idea....

Deflection may be all some people have. It is also a piss-poor defense.
You would know, it's all you've done since you denied your faggotry back in the 70's. ;)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 22, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
All of your threads are about Trump, maybe you should be relegated to one thread? That would really clean up the shitpost you bring to the politics board. That's a good idea....
You would know, it's all you've done since you denied your faggotry back in the 70's. ;)

Not!  Good try with the deflecting though.


Actually, it wasn't a good try.  It was a piss poor attempt.  Maybe try again.   But since all your replies to any post on here is the usual TDfS, maybe you could make a sticky of your excuses and save yourself some typing?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 22, 2023, 03:44:13 PM
Not!  Good try with the deflecting though.


Actually, it wasn't a good try.  It was a piss poor attempt.  Maybe try again.   But since all your replies to any post on here is the usual TDfS, maybe you could make a sticky of your excuses and save yourself some typing?
I'll bring this up at the next moderators meeting, your TDS is in everything you post, Tom.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 22, 2023, 03:48:14 PM
I'll bring this up at the next moderators meeting, your TDS is in everything you post, Tom.

Make sure you pass on the donuts Fetter.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 22, 2023, 06:48:30 PM
You would know, it's all you've done since you denied your faggotry back in the 70's. ;)

You got me, or so you think.  ::)

I have not a clue what you are talking about.  I never denied or pretended to be anyone else but me. You must have me confused with yourself or one of your closeted friends.

Do you know the definition of deflection? I have no reason to blame anyone for me being me. Some folks believe homosexuality is genetic. So, I guess if I had to blame someone, I would blame my ancestors. But why would I do this? I feel good about myself just as I am.     


Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2023, 05:38:53 PM
o comments.

FBI searched Biden home, found documents marked classified
Associated Press via Currently ^ | January 22, 2023 | Zeke Miller & Michael Balsamo
Posted on 1/21/2023, 8:10:54 PM by John W

The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Friday and located six additional documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.

Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer, said the search of the entire premises lasted nearly 13 hours. The apparently classified documents spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president. The level of classification, and whether they remained classified, was not immediately clear as the Justice Department reviews the records.

The search followed more than a week after Biden’s attorneys found six other classified documents in the president’s home library from his time as vice president, and nearly three months after lawyers found a small number of classified records at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. It came a day after Biden maintained that “there’s no there there" on the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office.

(Excerpt) Read more at currently.att.yahoo.com ...

No raid with CNN cameras in tow.  Bunch of hypocrites.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2023, 07:56:33 PM
No raid with CNN cameras in tow.  Bunch of hypocrites.

There was no raid because none was needed. Unlike the situation with Trump's possession of classified documents wherein he repeatedly failed/refused to turn them over to the proper authorities. At one point, he even stated they belonged to him. You are comparing two very different situations and more recently three. Only one of which eventually required a court sanctioned warrant to search for them.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2023, 10:32:51 PM
There was no raid because none was needed. Unlike the situation with Trump's possession of classified documents wherein he repeatedly failed/refused to turn them over to the proper authorities. At one point, he even stated they belonged to him. You are comparing two very different situations and more recently three. Only one of which eventually required a court sanctioned warrant to search for them.

Yes they are very different.  Biden's situation is much worse. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 24, 2023, 11:58:11 PM
Yes they are very different.  Biden's situation is much worse.

and your credibility just hit zero
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 25, 2023, 06:15:11 AM
Yes they are very different.  Biden's situation is much worse.

So worse that he refused to give them back after a year of being instructed to. 

So worse that the outside party who searched for the documents themselves, now are being demanded to be identified in court.

So worse that obviously the FBI planted them before he could declassify them with his mind even though they were just empty jackets that "looked cool".

 ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 25, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Yes they are very different.  Biden's situation is much worse.

Is this your unbiased opinion? Do you have information that supports your opinion?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 25, 2023, 03:41:18 PM
Is this your unbiased opinion? Do you have information that supports your opinion?

His biased opinion supports his unbiased opinion.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 25, 2023, 03:44:47 PM
His biased opinion supports his unbiased opinion.

Clever!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 25, 2023, 07:45:53 PM
and your credibility just hit zero

Says the person with zero credibility.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 25, 2023, 07:46:58 PM
So worse that he refused to give them back after a year of being instructed to. 

So worse that the outside party who searched for the documents themselves, now are being demanded to be identified in court.

So worse that obviously the FBI planted them before he could declassify them with his mind even though they were just empty jackets that "looked cool".

 ::)

Years?  You mean 18 months.  As opposed to Biden having classified info for six to sixteen or years.  Yeah great comparison there. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 25, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Is this your unbiased opinion? Do you have information that supports your opinion?

It's my opinion.  Do I have facts to support my opinion?  Yes. 

1.  Trump as POTUS was the only person in American who could declassify anything he wants without any required protocol. 

2.  Biden, as Senator and VP, had zero declassification authority.  So he doesn't even have an argument for his lawful possession of classified info. 

3.  Trump was going back and forth the FBI and National Archives for 18 months. 

4.  Biden ran for POTUS while in possession of classified documents for years, going back to his time as a Senator.  It's insane anyone would even debate how reckless, irresponsible, and unlawful this is.

5.  Trump had documents in a room the FBI knew about, protected by the Secret Service, and the FBI asked him to put an additional lock on the door.

6.  Biden kept classified documents in his friggin garage.  His garage.  Where people keep their junk.  Where his crackhead son lived and/or had access to. 

7.  Biden kept classified documents in multiple locations. 

I could go on, but yes, what Biden did is clearly worse.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 05:37:26 AM
Years?  You mean 18 months.  As opposed to Biden having classified info for six to sixteen or years.  Yeah great comparison there.

You don't know how long Trumpy actually had them.  That is an estimated time frame.  What we do know is that he refused to give them back or admit their existence until a search warrant was executed.  And then he went into Trumpy-mode with full on lying about everything.  The FBI planted them, they were not classified.  He declassified them with his mind  ::)   ,the jackets were empty and he kept them because they looked cool...etc.  Funny thing is I don't see Biden making those excuses.

If he conducted himself as Biden did, then his home would not have been searched.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 10:39:05 AM
You don't know how long Trumpy actually had them.  That is an estimated time frame.  What we do know is that he refused to give them back or admit their existence until a search warrant was executed.  And then he went into Trumpy-mode with full on lying about everything.  The FBI planted them, they were not classified.  He declassified them with his mind  ::)   ,the jackets were empty and he kept them because they looked cool...etc.  Funny thing is I don't see Biden making those excuses.

If he conducted himself as Biden did, then his home would not have been searched.

We know exactly how long Trump had them from time he left office until the tyrannical raid on his home:  18 months.  The time before he left office is irrelevant, because he had the authority to possess any classified document in the country as POTUS. 

"Conducted himself as Biden did"??  lol  Yeah if he would have improperly possessed classified documents in multiple unsecure locations, including his garage, for years, he would have been fine.  Ok.  Whatever.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 11:24:21 AM
We know exactly how long Trump had them from time he left office until the tyrannical raid on his home:  18 months.  The time before he left office is irrelevant, because he had the authority to possess any classified document in the country as POTUS. 

"Conducted himself as Biden did"??  lol  Yeah if he would have improperly possessed classified documents in multiple unsecure locations, including his garage, for years, he would have been fine.  Ok.  Whatever.

You don't know the time frame, therefore it is irrelevant. 

Tyrannical raid?  Hardly.  It was an approved search.  Which could have been avoided if he had cooperated sooner.  Like Biden did.   ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 12:21:11 PM
You don't know the time frame, therefore it is irrelevant. 

Tyrannical raid?  Hardly.  It was an approved search.  Which could have been avoided if he had cooperated sooner.  Like Biden did.   ;D

Yes we do.  We know precisely when Trump left office.

Do you understand that as POTUS he had the right to possess any classified document? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on January 26, 2023, 01:18:02 PM
Trump was no longer POTUS when the National Archives informed him that a shit ton of dos were missing

It took the twice impeached disgraced former POTUS 8 MONTHS to finally return 15 BOXES of classified docs and he still didn't give up all the docs

What I would like to know is why it took so long to finally execute a search warrant on his property

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 26, 2023, 01:25:44 PM
So worse that he refused to give them back after a year of being instructed to. 

So worse that the outside party who searched for the documents themselves, now are being demanded to be identified in court.

So worse that obviously the FBI planted them before he could declassify them with his mind even though they were just empty jackets that "looked cool".

 ::)

Years?  You mean 18 months.  As opposed to Biden having classified info for six to sixteen or years.  Yeah great comparison there.

FYI, 18 months is longer than 'a year' which is what Lurker posted.

The main difference between Biden having classified documents and Trump having them is we know the circumstances under which Trump acquired them and we don't know how, why or whether Biden even remember he had them. The comparable is that they both had documents they should not have had whether it was for 16 years of 18 months.

It seems like your 'bias' influenced your reading comprehension. Clearly, you read this the way you wanted to and not the way it was written. An example of a Freudian slip, perhaps?   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 01:49:28 PM
Yes we do.  We know precisely when Trump left office.

Do you understand that as POTUS he had the right to possess any classified document?

Do you what day those documents actually arrived at his home?  Were you there?  Did you put them away?  Then you don't know if they had been there from the end of 2019 or the end of 2016.

Do you understand why they searched his home?  Was he POTUS then?   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
FYI, 18 months is longer than 'a year' which is what Lurker posted.

The main difference between Biden having classified documents and Trump having them is we know the circumstances under which Trump acquired them and we don't know how, why or whether Biden even remember he had them. The comparable is that they both had documents they should not have had whether it was for 16 years of 18 months.

It seems like your 'bias' influenced your reading comprehension. Clearly, you read this the way you wanted to and not the way it was written. An example of a Freudian slip, perhaps?

His typical attempt at playing with splitting words which never really works out for him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 26, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
Yes we do.  We know precisely when Trump left office.

Do you understand that as POTUS he had the right to possess any classified document?

'Had' is the operative word. Neither Trump nor Pence still hold an official qualifying office. Their right to possess classified documents expire when the new administration was sworn in. It could be argued that presently, of the three, Biden is the only person with the authority to classify, declassify or possess these classified documents. 

You may want to take the time to read the following information published by the National archives.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html#four

The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information
December 29, 2009

Below are some relevant sections of the President Executive Order 13526

sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;

(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
(2) ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3) ‘‘Secret’’ or ‘‘Confidential’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority by the agency head.


Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1)   the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;

(Note: neither Trump, Biden or Pence were/are serving in the same position as they did when the documents were originally classified. Of the three men, Biden is currently the only person with the authority to classify or declassify government documents.)
 

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 02:54:00 PM
'Had' is the operative word. Neither Trump nor Pence still hold an official qualifying office. Their right to possess classified documents expire when the new administration was sworn in. It could be argued that presently, of the three, Biden is the only person with the authority to classify, declassify or possess these classified documents. 

You may want to take the time to read the following information published by the National archives.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html#four

The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information
December 29, 2009

Below are some relevant sections of the President Executive Order 13526

sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;

(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
(2) ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3) ‘‘Secret’’ or ‘‘Confidential’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority by the agency head.


Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1)   the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;

(Note: neither Trump, Biden or Pence were/are serving in the same position as they did when the documents were originally classified. Of the three men, Biden is currently the only person with the authority to classify or declassify government documents.)

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 03:30:49 PM
Do you what day those documents actually arrived at his home?  Were you there?  Did you put them away?  Then you don't know if they had been there from the end of 2019 or the end of 2016.

Do you understand why they searched his home?  Was he POTUS then?   ::)

If they arrived at his home between 2016 and 2019 then those periods of time are irrelevant, because he had the absolute right to possess any piece of classified intel in the country. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 03:33:15 PM
If they arrived at his home between 2016 and 2019 then those periods of time are irrelevant, because he had the absolute right to possess any piece of classified intel in the country.

The point is, you don't know when they arrived there.  Could have been January 7th.  YOU DON'T KNOW.  Maybe some were already there.  Maybe others wasn't.  YOU DON'T KNOW.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 03:37:32 PM
'Had' is the operative word. Neither Trump nor Pence still hold an official qualifying office. Their right to possess classified documents expire when the new administration was sworn in. It could be argued that presently, of the three, Biden is the only person with the authority to classify, declassify or possess these classified documents. 

You may want to take the time to read the following information published by the National archives.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html#four

The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information
December 29, 2009

Below are some relevant sections of the President Executive Order 13526

sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;

(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
(2) ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3) ‘‘Secret’’ or ‘‘Confidential’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority by the agency head.


Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1)   the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;

(Note: neither Trump, Biden or Pence were/are serving in the same position as they did when the documents were originally classified. Of the three men, Biden is currently the only person with the authority to classify or declassify government documents.)

You're not tracking the analysis here.  Trump had the right to possess any classified document while POTUS, so it doesn't matter what he possessed or where he possessed while he was POTUS. 

For people accusing him of unlawful possession of classified intel, that could only have happened after he was no longer POTUS. 

Regarding declassification, you're also missing the point.  Biden first came into possession of his documents while he was a senator and VP, not while he was POTUS.  He no declassification authority. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 03:39:26 PM
The point is, you don't know when they arrived there.  Could have been January 7th.  YOU DON'T KNOW.  Maybe some were already there.  Maybe others wasn't.  YOU DON'T KNOW.

The point is it doesn't matter when they arrived, because he had the absolute right to possess anything before leaving office.  The only time period that matters with him is after he left office.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 03:47:41 PM
You're not tracking the analysis here.  Trump had the right to possess any classified document while POTUS, so it doesn't matter what he possessed or where he possessed while he was POTUS. 

For people accusing him of unlawful possession of classified intel, that could only have happened after he was no longer POTUS. 

Regarding declassification, you're also missing the point.  Biden first came into possession of his documents while he was a senator and VP, not while he was POTUS.  He no declassification authority.

He was POTUS last August when they searched his home?  If not, then he was in unlawful possession.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 26, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
If they arrived at his home between 2016 and 2019 then those periods of time are irrelevant, because he had the absolute right to possess any piece of classified intel in the country.

Let's assume they were taken there between 2016 thru 2019, they technically should have been turned over to the National Archives as soon as Biden took office. Practically, these documents likely end up mixed in with personal documents which are government property.

The big issue here is going to be Trump's refusal to relinquish them after leaving office. He should have played dumb and claimed he did not know he was in possession of them after his term of office.

Since it has been reported they were moved either inadvertently or intentionally when Trump vacated the White House, it follows that these documents were not at Mar-a-Largo prior to 2020. I don't believe it is reasonable to assume they were there prior to that time.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 04:25:49 PM
He was POTUS last August when they searched his home?  If not, then he was in unlawful possession.

Unless the documents were declassified.  He has an argument that the documents were declassified.  Biden does not.

So I’m glad you apparently now understand that we do know precisely what the alleged period of unlawful possession is for Trump:  from the moment he left office until the tyrannical raid by the FBI. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 26, 2023, 04:27:14 PM
Let's assume they were taken there between 2016 thru 2019, they technically should have been turned over to the National Archives as soon as Biden took office. Practically, these documents likely end up mixed in with personal documents which are government property.

The big issue here is going to be Trump's refusal to relinquish them after leaving office. He should have played dumb and claimed he did not know he was in possession of them after his term of office.

Since it has been reported they were moved either inadvertently or intentionally when Trump vacated the White House, it follows that these documents were not at Mar-a-Largo prior to 2020. I don't believe it is reasonable to assume they were there prior to that time.

This is another nothing burger.   On to the next abuse of civil liberties to try and target this man.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 26, 2023, 04:40:55 PM
This is another nothing burger.   On to the next abuse of civil liberties to try and target this man.

It wasn't a 'nothing burger' until classified documents started showing up at Biden and Pence's homes. Whether those discoveries are enough to get Trump off the hook, remains to be seen.

Neither you nor I can do more than have an opinion about how it. We can argue the differences between these three situations all we want but ultimately, the Justice Department will determine whether it is a nothing burger or not. If it makes you feel any better, the discovery of classified documents in Biden and Pence's possession definitely complicates things, IMO. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 26, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Unless the documents were declassified.  He has an argument that the documents were declassified.  Biden does not.

So I’m glad you apparently now understand that we do know precisely what the alleged period of unlawful possession is for Trump:  from the moment he left office until the tyrannical raid by the FBI.

Approved search.  Not a raid. 

Post Presidency, Trumpy had no authority to declassify anything.  Biden at this point does.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on January 27, 2023, 09:30:10 AM
The arguments presented here in defense of Trump are all wrong

It doesn't matter when the docs showed up at Mar a Lago (though I suspect all or at least a large majority arrived AFTER he was no longer POTUS) and it doesn't matter if they were declassified or not (and of course there is no evidence that they were declassified since that is a process that involves other groups and isn't just by the POTUS "thinking" about it)

None of that matters

The documents are GOVERNMENT PROPERTY and they don't belong to private citizen Trump

The government informed Trump they were missing and he failed to return all the documents and even after a subpoena was issued he continued to retain documents and LIED about it which is obstruction.

That's the bottom line.  This is government property and he knowingly retained them and LIED about it.

That is why he's facing legal jeopardy.  The obstruction and lying and failure to return docs that he's been informed don't belong to him is the issue.

He was also informed by his former attorney of the legal consequences of retaining documents that didn't belong to him, both classified and unclassified. 
None of them belong to him

Quote
A former White House lawyer for former President Trump warned him last year that he could face legal consequences for holding on to presidential records, The New York Times reported on Monday.

Eric Herschmann told the former president in a late 2021 meeting that he could face investigations and legal repercussions if he did not return government materials, particularly classified documents, according to the Times. Herschmann was not working for or with Trump at the time, the newspaper noted.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3651609-former-white-house-lawyer-warned-trump-last-year-about-legal-risk-of-mar-a-lago-documents-report/

If he had just turned over all documents when first asked and fully cooperated we wouldn't even be talking about this today
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 27, 2023, 10:33:54 AM
The arguments presented here in defense of Trump are all wrong

It doesn't matter when the docs showed up at Mar a Lago (though I suspect all or at least a large majority arrived AFTER he was no longer POTUS) and it doesn't matter if they were declassified or not (and of course there is no evidence that they were declassified since that is a process that involves other groups and isn't just by the POTUS "thinking" about it)

None of that matters

The documents are GOVERNMENT PROPERTY and they don't belong to private citizen Trump

The government informed Trump they were missing and he failed to return all the documents and even after a subpoena was issued he continued to retain documents and LIED about it which is obstruction.

That's the bottom line.  This is government property and he knowingly retained them and LIED about it.

That is why he's facing legal jeopardy.  The obstruction and lying and failure to return docs that he's been informed don't belong to him is the issue.

He was also informed by his former attorney of the legal consequences of retaining documents that didn't belong to him, both classified and unclassified. 
None of them belong to him

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3651609-former-white-house-lawyer-warned-trump-last-year-about-legal-risk-of-mar-a-lago-documents-report/

If he had just turned over all documents when first asked and fully cooperated we wouldn't even be talking about this today

Severe TDS…but I digress


https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/archives-asks-former-administrations-to-search-for-classified-docs-report/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on January 27, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Severe TDS…but I digress


https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/archives-asks-former-administrations-to-search-for-classified-docs-report/

I agree, you have severe TDS

I guess that is the reason you couldn't address or refute any of the facts in my post

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 27, 2023, 10:50:40 AM
I agree, you have severe TDS

I guess that is the reason you couldn't address or refute any of the facts in my post

Nope, I’m defending what’s right and what you don’t keep up with
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on January 27, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Nope, I’m defending what’s right and what you don’t keep up with

and...you're wrong

Trump was illegally in possession of government property
He was informed about this, warned it was illegal and given ample time (more than anyone  else would get) to return the documents
He refused, lied, obstructed

Those are all facts

Remember, this already played out in court with an incompetent Trump appointed judge Aileen Cannon allowing a special master and then an appeals court (with two Trump appointed judges) absolutely eviscerating so called "judge" Cannon.

Again, these are indisputable facts

If you're incapable of understanding or believing them then that's your problem


Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 27, 2023, 11:40:02 AM
and...you're wrong

Trump was illegally in possession of government property
He was informed about this, warned it was illegal and given ample time (more than anyone  else would get) to return the documents
He refused, lied, obstructed

Those are all facts

Remember, this already played out in court with an incompetent Trump appointed judge Aileen Cannon allowing a special master and then an appeals court (with two Trump appointed judges) absolutely eviscerating so called "judge" Cannon.

Again, these are indisputable facts

If you're incapable of understanding or believing them then that's your problem

Oh boy 🙄
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: chaos on January 27, 2023, 12:21:53 PM
It wasn't a 'nothing burger' until classified documents started showing up at Biden and Pence's homes. Whether those discoveries are enough to get Trump off the hook, remains to be seen.

This is what should concern people like you, instead of holding everyone equally responsible, you're willing to accept the "nothing burger" for Trump because Bitem and Pence got caught with the same shit. Until then, you were waving your pitchfork trying to crucify Trump. If you were really concerned about justice, you would be crying for Biden and Pences heads the same as you've been crying for Trumps. But you're not, because you're more concerned with protecting your guy rather than hold him accountable.
Liberals = hypocrites.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 27, 2023, 07:50:50 PM
Severe TDS…but I digress


https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/archives-asks-former-administrations-to-search-for-classified-docs-report/

No Coach, it actually is a valid and solid post. Just an FYI, you posting TDS doesn't and has never invalidated an opposing view. That you and a few others continue to do that is amusing.

Now if you would like to address each point one by one that you disagree with, I'll be happy to read it... but we both know that aint gonna happen. Hard to do with only 5 minutes a day on GB
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 27, 2023, 08:40:23 PM
No Coach, it actually is a valid and solid post. Just an FYI, you posting TDS doesn't and has never invalidated an opposing view. That you and a few others continue to do that is amusing.

Now if you would like to address each point one by one that you disagree with, I'll be happy to read it... but we both know that aint gonna happen. Hard to do with only 5 minutes a day on GB

Of course it’s valid….🙄
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on January 27, 2023, 10:36:02 PM
This is what should concern people like you, instead of holding everyone equally responsible, you're willing to accept the "nothing burger" for Trump because Bitem and Pence got caught with the same shit. Until then, you were waving your pitchfork trying to crucify Trump. If you were really concerned about justice, you would be crying for Biden and Pences heads the same as you've been crying for Trumps. But you're not, because you're more concerned with protecting your guy rather than hold him accountable.
Liberals = hypocrites.

I agree.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 27, 2023, 11:22:48 PM
Of course it’s valid….🙄

Thanks for your eloquent response. Which is about as interesting as TDS
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on January 27, 2023, 11:38:36 PM
Oh boy 🙄

Take a breather. Enjoy your experience at the RNC which at the time you posted this was still going on.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on February 02, 2023, 04:20:21 PM
The National Archives was all over Trump, but their lips are sealed regarding Biden.  Seems fair.

National Archives 'wasn’t allowed' to reveal Biden classified documents discovery
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter
February 01, 2023
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fjustice%2Fnational-archives-not-allowed-reveal-biden-classified-documents-discovery
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on February 02, 2023, 04:31:04 PM
The National Archives was all over Trump, but their lips are sealed regarding Biden.  Seems fair.

National Archives 'wasn’t allowed' to reveal Biden classified documents discovery
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter
February 01, 2023
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fjustice%2Fnational-archives-not-allowed-reveal-biden-classified-documents-discovery

Why should they need to reveal it

The only thing they revealed about  Trump was that they asked him to look for missing documents and return them

They never asked Biden for docs and didn't know any were missing

Neither the National Archives or the DOJ "revealed" that Trump had been subpoenaed for missing docs

Why didn't they do that

Don't we have a right to know?

Oh yeah, Trump never told us about the subpoena either?

The public only learned about it AFTER the search warrant was executed
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 02, 2023, 06:36:39 PM
No Coach, it actually is a valid and solid post. Just an FYI, you posting TDS doesn't and has never invalidated an opposing view. That you and a few others continue to do that is amusing.

Now if you would like to address each point one by one that you disagree with, I'll be happy to read it... but we both know that aint gonna happen. Hard to do with only 5 minutes a day on GB

It's because they have nothing else to post, but have to post something.  It's just an exercise in showcasing their mental health deficiencies.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 01, 2023, 07:12:45 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: jude2 on March 01, 2023, 07:26:32 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?
He seriously must be the cleanest man alive, with all these claims and nothing sticks. And the Fed always usually get their person.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 02, 2023, 07:00:48 PM
It's because they have nothing else to post, but have to post something.  It's just an exercise in showcasing their mental health deficiencies.

Go live with me. Bring Agnostic with you 🤷‍♂️

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 02, 2023, 07:02:57 PM
He seriously must be the cleanest man alive, with all these claims and nothing sticks. And the Fed always usually get their person.

We’re going on 8 years of Anal probs and nothing. You’d thing in that long of time they would find at least something.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on March 03, 2023, 02:12:21 AM
Go live with me. Bring Agnostic with you 🤷‍♂️

I read that they wanted to close it because they feared retaliation not that it wasn't substantive.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 03, 2023, 05:25:11 AM
Go live with me. Bring Agnostic with you 🤷‍♂️

You can't debate or accept facts on here.  You sure as shit can't do it live.  Dumb ass.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on March 03, 2023, 01:19:46 PM
You can't debate or accept facts on here.  You sure as shit can't do it live.  Dumb ass.

the low IQ loser in life bables...
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 03, 2023, 01:25:58 PM
Oh well look who is back.  Finally got the blessings from Allah for more internet minutes?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 22, 2023, 03:56:00 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on March 22, 2023, 03:58:30 PM
So has Trump been charged with a crime yet?

Good point - I don't know as I've not read / heard anything
Was said he was going to be arrested today 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 22, 2023, 03:59:40 PM
Good point - I don't know as I've not read / heard anything
Was said he was going to be arrested today 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

That was supposed to happen yesterday.  Fat Albert backed out.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 22, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
You two morons this is about a completely separate issue right?   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on March 22, 2023, 04:25:01 PM
That was supposed to happen yesterday.  Fat Albert backed out.

Ahh yes - lost track of the days- 🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 22, 2023, 04:28:16 PM
You two morons this is about a completely separate issue right?   ::)

Well, look who got his panties in a wad because Trump hasn't been charged with a crime or arrested.   :D

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Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 22, 2023, 04:33:01 PM
Well, look who got his panties in a wad because Trump hasn't been charged with a crime or arrested.   :D

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"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.


Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

Trumpy said he was getting arrested.  Sounds like he is just lying again right?

But look who got his panties in a wad with the same redundant shit from a month ago.    :D   Not only did I own your tiny tit mind then but I have a delay owning it as well from today.  Life is good.  Except for foreign c unts like yourself.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 22, 2023, 04:48:49 PM
Trumpy said he was getting arrested.  Sounds like he is just lying again right?

But look who got his panties in a wad with the same redundant shit from a month ago.    :D   Not only did I own your tiny tit mind then but I have a delay owning it as well from today.  Life is good.  Except for foreign c unts like yourself.

Manhattan DA postpones Trump grand jury session

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/hgK.I0nvMMm8EJzk.fCHjA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/ap.org/246d76adc7a9fc963cfce676d2514b5f)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-sources-trump-probe-grand-163240283.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr22bxQWIAEgM_Z?format=jpg&name=small)

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Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 22, 2023, 06:12:53 PM
Loco = shitty ass Venesucklian.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on March 22, 2023, 06:28:02 PM
We’re going on 8 years of Anal probs and nothing. You’d thing in that long of time they would find at least something.

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched. History has a way of resurfacing when you and your buddy Donald least want it to.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Moontrane on March 22, 2023, 06:28:29 PM
That was supposed to happen yesterday.  Fat Albert backed out.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefensiveDismalBeaver-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on March 22, 2023, 06:30:32 PM
He seriously must be the cleanest man alive, with all these claims and nothing sticks. And the Fed always usually get their person.

Cleanest? I think slipperiest better describes him because nothing sticks until the 'Teflon (Don)' wears out, which is always does sooner or later... or haven't you noticed?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 04:05:46 AM
Loco = shitty ass Venesucklian.

It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

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Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 05:59:38 AM
Hahahaha this autistic Venezuelan trash can't do anything but cut and paste the same thing over and over. 

If I am going to live rent free in someone's head, I prefer it to be a red blooded American.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 06:22:26 AM
Hahahaha this autistic Venezuelan trash can't do anything but cut and paste the same thing over and over. 

If I am going to live rent free in someone's head, I prefer it to be a red blooded American.

It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 07:01:50 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 07:38:08 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 07:40:56 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 07:42:07 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 07:50:25 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 07:50:53 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 07:52:08 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 07:58:49 AM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on March 23, 2023, 09:07:03 AM
whatever happened to the classified docs found with the Bidens?



Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2023, 09:31:26 AM
whatever happened to the classified docs found with the Bidens?

Nothing.   The swamp flushed down toilet. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 09:49:01 AM
Nothing.   The swamp flushed down toilet.

Third world toilet style.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 01:43:37 PM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 01:47:44 PM
He's stuck on stupid.  LOL.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
Third world trash. Third world education.  Third world autism.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 01:56:33 PM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 02:08:00 PM
^^^^  He went and erased all his whining about being Venezuelan.

He's embarrassed.

hahahahahaha.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 02:10:00 PM
^^  It's ok to be ashamed of being born in a third world shithole.  I would be too.

Erasing it from your Wall O' Whine isn't going to change anything.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 23, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Nobody cares.  Venezuelan trash.  Hahahaha

Ewwww... I feel dirty knowing that you obsess over me all the time now.  Third world stalker.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

The US isn't a third world country.  It's called naturalized US citizenship, but you wouldn't know anything about that, you racist bastardo ignorante.   :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 23, 2023, 06:28:41 PM
^^ Lucky to have access to US healthcare and mental health counselors.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 04:03:43 AM
^^ Lucky to have access to US healthcare and mental health counselors.

How can a Venezuelan in a third world crap hole have access to US healthcare?
Title: Lurker the Groomer
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 24, 2023, 06:46:21 AM
^^ Lucky to have access to US healthcare and mental health counselors.

The Babbling Pedo....
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 09:18:19 AM
How can a Venezuelan in a third world crap hole have access to US healthcare?

When they are living in the US they can.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
When they are living in the US they can.

You posted over and over that I'm in a third world crap hole.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 09:33:07 AM
You posted over and over that I'm in a third world crap hole.

I said you were FROM a third world shithole and you were BORN in a third world shithole.

And it is true.   :D   You said so yourself.  You obviously can't read.  <---   Third world education, third world reading skills, third world autism. 

Carry on with your meltdown though.  It's quite amusing how easily you are triggered.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 09:42:46 AM
I said you were FROM a third world shithole and you were BORN in a third world shithole.

Straw/Lurker,

Yes, I did say that because it's the truth.  So?  Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

And it is true.   :D   You said so yourself.  You obviously can't read.  <---   Third world education, third world reading skills, third world autism. 

I received my education in the US.  Assuming you did too, that means you too have a third world education, third world reading skills, third world autism in your own opinion.   :D

Carry on with your meltdown though.  It's quite amusing how easily you are triggered.

I will carry one because it obviously triggers you, since you keep responding, especially when my posts are directed at Straw, one of your gimmicks.   ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 24, 2023, 09:46:28 AM
Straw/Lurker,

Yes, I did say that because it's the truth. So?  Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

I received my education in the US.  Assuming you did too, that means you too have a third world education, third world reading skills, third world autism in your own opinion.   :D

I will carry one because it obviously triggers you, since you keep responding, especially when my posts are directed at Straw, one of your gimmicks.   ;D

then why are you so obviously bent out of shape
how much longer is your menses going to last?
no one gives a shit so how about you get over yourself already
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 09:48:41 AM
then why are you so obviously bent out of shape
how much longer is your menses going to last?
no one gives a shit so how about you get over yourself already

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 24, 2023, 09:58:07 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Looks like she's going to be on the rag for at least another day

I guess women from your country have longer periods than normal
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Looks like she's going to be on the rag for at least another day

I guess women from your country have longer periods than normal

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 10:08:39 AM
then why are you so obviously bent out of shape
how much longer is your menses going to last?
no one gives a shit so how about you get over yourself already

He acts like it is the secret to Coca Cola or something.  We've known for years.  He just clings to that, like he clings to a five year old typo, because he is ashamed.

Again, I thought he was just a teenager or a poor troll easily triggered.  Obviously, autism plays a part.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
He acts like it is the secret to Coca Cola or something.  We've known for years.  He just clings to that, like he clings to a five year old typo, because he is ashamed.

Again, I thought he was just a teenager or a poor troll easily triggered.  Obviously, autism plays a part.

You know because I said so in this forum, more than once.  But you still keep going on and on about where I was born and where I live.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 24, 2023, 10:19:34 AM
You know because I said so in this forum, more than once.  But you still keep going on and on about where I was born and where I live.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker,

Why are you so obsessed with where I was born and with where I live, you creepy SOB stalker?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.


Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

no one gives a shit and the only one "going on" about anything is you
why are you spamming every thread  with a wall of cut and paste that you now much have posted 100 times already
no one cares
get the fuck over yourself already you weepy little bitch
go take a warm bath or whatever it is you gals do when you're having your monthly visitor
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 10:22:35 AM
The only one worried about where he is from is him.  Nobody gives a shit.  Except him.  Shame will do that.  This guy obviously lives under a guardianship as it is evident he can't function in the real world.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 10:33:13 AM
So far all you've proven is that you're a moron, a liar and a world class whiny little bitch
I've never inquired about whereabout (WTF is that all about).
As far as I can recall I suspected that you weren't in the US when Prop 8 was passed in California in 2008
The only reason I mentioned that is because I recently saw your thread on the G&O board about being from Venezuela

here you go
it's on page 2 of G&O
When I saw it a few days ago it was on page 1

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=652515.0

The title of your thread is:  Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it. Slowly, it will destroy America, too.

but I assume you're going to say that just because you wrote  "Venezuela was my home" we should in no way assume you ever lived there or that it was ever your home

right?

Edit - I see - you posted an article


Yep, after I posted it I noticed you were quoting an article so I did a further search

What's your explanation for this


I did a search and found this thread from a long time ago

So way back in 2009 you were an average Venezuelan


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=294438.msg4196856#msg4196856

Hey Loco - another short search and I found this

What country are you from that is 99% Catholic because it sure as shit isn't the USA

Do you want to get back to your idiotic claim about black people?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=6631;area=showposts;start=17775


You're the one that is bent out of shape about it
I thought you were Venezuelan because I saw a post that I though you wrote that turned out to be an article by someone else

Since you asked me to look ....I went looking and found another post where you said you were Venezuelan

so you're just an average Venezuelan and you're not from the US and your country is 99% Catholic

Do you want to get off this topic and get back to your lie about black people

that would be fine with me

Dang, Straw/Lurker, you're one weird, creepy stalker.

Over 5 posts in a row about me being from Venezuela, some of these posts from 16 years ago.

And you lied about the more recent one, then deleted your post, you lying SOB stalker.

What's your obsession with me, Venezuela, where I'm from, where I live, etc.?  I'm flattered, but I don't swing that way.   :D

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 24, 2023, 03:17:03 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Looks like she's going to be on the rag for at least another day

I guess women from your country have longer periods than normal

no Pedo Lurker men are different from females you freak.  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on March 24, 2023, 03:49:52 PM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 03:52:05 PM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.

(https://media.tenor.com/pgqf6BDXADIAAAAC/the-office-steve-carell.gif)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 03:57:24 PM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.

Because you should take time to reflect and accept that autistic morons just can't help themselves.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 24, 2023, 03:58:46 PM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.

ironic you do the same..... ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 24, 2023, 04:01:36 PM
Because you should take time to reflect and accept that autistic morons just can't help themselves.

Is calling me autistic over and over again supposed to be an insult?   :D



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 04:05:28 PM
Is calling me autistic over and over again supposed to be an insult?   :D



No.  It's the truth.  As we all know.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on March 24, 2023, 04:52:24 PM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.


🤔 Hmmmm come on Prime,  what you calling on the mods for ?
They haven't intervened with Bianca Butt Plug & his antics or a few other Pathetic pedo Fagggot
Posters repeating their crap nonsense over & over again.
Me I just put them on block & don't see their posts  - works really well .
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on March 24, 2023, 05:53:38 PM

🤔 Hmmmm come on Prime,  what you calling on the mods for ?
They haven't intervened with Bianca Butt Plug & his antics or a few other Pathetic pedo Fagggot
Posters repeating their crap nonsense over & over again.
Me I just put them on block & don't see their posts  - works really well .

Do not take that post so seriously. It is not a 'report to mod' it is an expression of my opinion on the tiresomeness of loco's repetitiveness. I don't expect the mods to take any action against loco unless they decide to do that on their own.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on March 24, 2023, 06:04:20 PM
Do not take that post so seriously. It is not a 'report to mod' it is an expression of my opinion on the tiresomeness of loco's repetitiveness. I don't expect the mods to take any action against loco unless they decide to do that on their own.

Ha & you took my reply seriously 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 👍🏻

For me there's a few well ahead of Loco who should be silenced/ removed
Only then it wouldn't be Getbig & we'd be heading down The Liberal Leftists route of
Banning people saying things they don't like.
Did they never hear of voltaire ,
“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Nope that went right over the heads of so many Leftist & still is to much for them to cope with .  ::)
Poor deranged Twatlings .
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 07:02:38 PM
^^ Wants the ones that exposed him as a liar to be "silenced and removed". 

So embarrassed that he got busted claiming to be a "killer" and a "US citizen."  Fuck up on outta here with that bullshit.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on March 24, 2023, 07:06:36 PM
Ha & you took my reply seriously 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 👍🏻

For me there's a few well ahead of Loco who should be silenced/ removed
Only then it wouldn't be Getbig & we'd be heading down The Liberal Leftists route of
Banning people saying things they don't like.
Did they never hear of voltaire ,
“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Nope that went right over the heads of so many Leftist & still is to much for them to cope with .  ::)
Poor deranged Twatlings .

Since you brought up banning what folks can say and write, what are your thoughts about banning books in schools and public libraries? The following list of 14 books banned books covers those banned over decades. My point is as society changes what is acceptable and what is not also changes at the whim of a select group of people. My feeling is that it should be up to each young person's parent to decide what is acceptable, but not for one vocal parent or social movement group to ban books for all kids.

14 Classic Children’s Books That Have Been Banned in America
The land of the free.

1. Where's Waldo? by Martin Handford
2. The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein
3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
4. James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
5. Harriet the Spy by Louise Fitzhugh
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank
7. Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
8. Charlotte's Web by E. B. White
9. Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
10. Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak
11. The Lorax by Dr. Seuss
12. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory by Roald Dahl
13. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum
14. Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you see? by Bill Martin, Jr.
 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 07:09:38 PM
Since you brought up banning what folks can say and write, what are your thoughts about banning books in schools and public libraries? The following list of 14 books banned books covers those banned over decades. My point is as society changes what is acceptable and what is not also changes at the whim of a select group of people. My feeling is that it should be up to each young person's parent to decide what is acceptable, but not for one vocal parent or social movement group to ban books for all kids.

14 Classic Children’s Books That Have Been Banned in America
The land of the free.

1. Where's Waldo? by Martin Handford
2. The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein
3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
4. James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
5. Harriet the Spy by Louise Fitzhugh
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank
7. Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
8. Charlotte's Web by E. B. White
9. Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
10. Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak
11. The Lorax by Dr. Seuss
12. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory by Roald Dahl
13. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum
14. Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you see? by Bill Martin, Jr.

A better question would be why does he think about American politics so much when he can't even vote or participate. 

Seriously, look at his thought process.  Do you think he could read an entire book?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on March 24, 2023, 07:25:15 PM
A better question would be why does he think about American politics so much when he can't even vote or participate. 

Seriously, look at his thought process.  Do you think he could read an entire book?

A better question is, "What's on your laptop?"  Keep it up.  You are a supporter/enabler of pedophilia and that by your alliance and allegiance to the Democrat Party and all that the kneel for.  Foul craven.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 07:30:04 PM
A better question is, "What's on your laptop?"  Keep it up.  You are a supporter/enabler of pedophilia and that by your alliance and allegiance to the Democrat Party and all that the kneel for.  Foul craven.

Certainly not the projections and obsession of pedo and queerness you store on yours.  Creepy ass cripple.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on March 24, 2023, 07:31:10 PM
Certainly not the projections and obsession of pedo and queerness you store on yours.  Creepy ass cripple.

This isn't a game.  You should listen but you won't.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
Who listens to an idiots meltdown?

We have heard the same crap from you a hundred times.  You are not original - or witty - at all and simple recycle the same bullshit over and over.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on March 24, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
Who listens to an idiots meltdown?

We have heard the same crap from you a hundred times.  You are not original - or witty - at all and simple recycle the same bullshit over and over.

You are scared. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 24, 2023, 07:35:44 PM
You are scared.

 ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 25, 2023, 05:20:48 AM
No.  It's the truth.  As we all know.

It's not the truth, but this, as we all know, is:

 :D



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 25, 2023, 05:33:23 AM
It's not the truth, but this, as we all know, is:


It is the truth.  You said so yourself right here.  Unless you are saying you are a liar.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 25, 2023, 05:46:33 AM




Because you should take time to reflect and accept that autistic morons just can't help themselves.

Is calling me autistic over and over again supposed to be an insult?   :D

No.  It's the truth.  As we all know.

It's not the truth, but this, as we all know, is:

It is the truth.  You said so yourself right here.  Unless you are saying you are a liar.

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680386.0;attach=1431578;image)

You don't have to keep attaching that same image over and over, clogging Getbig's server storage.  You attach it only once, then reference it every time after, as I've done above, you computer illiterate bigot.

See, you just learned something new and useful from a Venezuelan in a third world crap hole.

I was born in Venezuela, as I've said in this forum multiple times for many years, but I'm not autistic as you've claimed repetitively many times.  That's what we're talking about here.

However, based your posts above, it's obvious you believe all people born in Venezuela are autistic, and that all autistic people are morons.

Which confirms that you an intolerant, racist, creepy SOB.



Where did Strawman account go ?
Someone lost their password/ or took your advice & logged out not to return


"Wayne Tracker" is the Village Idiot.

Straw Man = LurkerNoMore = Wayne Tracker

He is an intolerant, racist, pervert, a liar and a coward, hiding behind multiple gimmick accounts.

Besides, my personal belief is anyone who holds a fundamentalist belief in any religion is mentally ill (for real) which again makes for a pointless discussion


LOL

Settle down Aunt Jemima


Pretty racist comment from a supposed non-racist liberal.

FYI - I don't discuss religion with my clients, just like I do discuss how often they bone their wives (or husbands).


Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: loco on March 25, 2023, 05:48:24 AM
Where are the mods when we need them? Someone send loco to 'time out' he is shitting all over Getbig by incessantly posting the same stupid one like hundreds of times a day.

Do not take that post so seriously. It is not a 'report to mod' it is an expression of my opinion on the tiresomeness of loco's repetitiveness. I don't expect the mods to take any action against loco unless they decide to do that on their own.

Straw/Lurker/WayneTracker is doing the exact same thing, and I can gather all of his stupid repetitive reposts and post them all here in one thread to refresh your selective, failing memory.

So a white male does the exact same thing, but you ignore that and don't say anything.  Instead you want the Hispanic, the minority, the "second-class citizen", to get banned from this forum by the mods for doing the same thing?

Typical closet racist, elitist, white male, libtard mindset and behavior.

You're just angry at the Hispanic for bringing receipts that prove the great majority of African Americans don't support your homosexual life style.  Accept it, deal with it, and move on.

And I brought that up to make a point in response to this post of yours:

In a democratic society the majority rules. This is why some people care about what many people believe.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 25, 2023, 07:55:40 AM
You clearly are autistic.  Your little meltdown is proof of that. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Board_SHERIF on March 25, 2023, 08:56:16 AM
You clearly are autistic.  Your little meltdown is proof of that.

says the low IQ groomer living a life of "Ground Hog Day" for the last 4 years. You wake up and copy/paste like a soulless robot using multiple accounts.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: TheGrinch on April 03, 2023, 09:48:29 PM
biden classified docs?


hunter laptop?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on April 03, 2023, 10:26:30 PM
biden classified docs?


hunter laptop?

Nah they're not remotely important or relevant
Any honest DummyCrap will tell you that.




Wait for the..................... ........................ ........................ .....

Woof Woof Woof to respond as per his Pavlovian training
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 04, 2023, 06:42:32 AM
^^ Weirdo who can't stop thinking about me.  Are all Brits this queer?  Or just the 62 pathetic liars ones?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on April 11, 2023, 11:26:21 PM
Biden administration officials were involved in Mar-a-Lago raid despite claiming otherwise: report
The FBI gained access to Trump documents through a White House 'special access request'
By Michael Lee | Fox News
Published April 11, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-officials-involved-mar-a-lago-raid-despite-claiming-otherwise-report
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Kwon on May 11, 2023, 12:33:53 PM

It is possible to give an intelligent answer to a stupid question
but it seems you do not want to do so
Outdated old junk, stop pissing against the wind & concentrate on BB !.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on June 06, 2023, 11:57:50 PM
Did Trump declassify documents? Criminal indictment of former president has no legitimate basis
By Alan Dershowitz and John P. Coale - - Thursday, June 1, 2023

OPINION:

It seems likely that former President Donald Trump will allege that he declassified the documents that he took to Mar-a-Lago before he left office.

If that claim is presented to the courts, either by legal pleadings or testimony, it will raise several related issues. The first is a question of law, the second is an issue of evidence, and the third is one of procedure.

Let’s begin with the law.

There could be little dispute that a president, while in office, has the power to declassify any previously classified documents or material. As the head of the executive branch, he has the last word on what remains classified or declassified. It is possible, though not beyond dispute, that Congress could constrain that power if it enacted clear legislation.

Some would argue that the Constitution precludes the legislative branch from limiting the power of the executive, but that is moot at the moment because Congress has not enacted statutes that specifically prevent the president from declassifying material.

Some think they should, as a matter of policy, formalize the declassification process so as to make it transparent. But absent such legislation, it seems clear that the authority to classify and declassify is an executive function, and the president is the executive. So if Mr. Trump did declassify documents that were then moved to Mar-a-Lago, mere possession of such documents would not be a crime.

The next question is, did Mr. Trump in fact declassify these documents? If he claims he did, it will be up to the government to challenge that assertion. It could do so in several ways. It could offer evidence designed to disprove Mr. Trump’s claim. But proving a negative — in this case, that he did not declassify the documents — is always difficult.

Theoretically, there could be evidence that Mr. Trump told an associate that he was taking classified material with him, knowing it was still classified. It is extremely unlikely, however, that any such evidence exists.

The government could also claim that absent any evidence either way, it must be presumed that a document once classified remains classified. But that ignores the fact that a statement by Mr. Trump to the contrary, if given under oath, would be evidence. And if Mr. Trump decides not to testify, there may be no admissible evidence either way.

In addition, the government could argue that the circumstantial evidence, especially the failure to announce any declassification until the criminal investigation began, can be weighed against his allegation. This is a weak argument, especially if there is no requirement in the law that declassification be announced or recorded.

These factual disputes would have to be resolved by 12 jurors if the government were to present sufficient evidence to warrant its submission to a jury.

The third basic issue, and the one that could determine the outcome of any criminal case, is closely related to the second: Who has the burden of proof on the claim of declassification? That is an issue of legal procedure.

In the usual criminal prosecution, the government has the heavy burden of proving every element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. The status of the documents as classified is an element of crimes that prohibit the unauthorized possession of classified material. The government may claim that the question of whether documents once classified have been declassified is a matter of law to be decided by the judge. That is a weak argument under the Fifth and Sixth amendments and their history.

The bottom line is that if Mr. Trump or his lawyers allege — even without his testifying — that he declassified the documents, a criminal charge of unauthorized possession of classified documents would be difficult to prove. That doesn’t mean that a prosecutor could not get a grand jury to indict this particular ham sandwich. It does mean that it’s unlikely that a conviction against Mr. Trump would be sustainable.

The government is certainly aware of these difficulties, so it may be seeking to indict Mr. Trump on some process crime, such as obstruction of justice. But it will be difficult to establish that Mr. Trump crossed the line from vigorously and lawfully defending his conduct to engaging in criminal obstruction.

No citizen is required to cooperate in a Department of Justice criminal investigation, as President Biden and others have commendably done. Nor can he actively obstruct such an investigation by unlawful means. The government will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Trump willfully crossed this line.

Based on what we know, we believe that there is no legitimate basis for a criminal indictment of Mr. Trump based on the material that was found at Mar-a-Lago.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2Fjun%2F1%2Fdid-trump-declassify-documents-criminal-indictment%2F
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 08, 2023, 01:14:59 AM
Well it certainly isn’t looking good for the mind power declassification pundits. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 08, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
Well it certainly isn’t looking good for the mind power declassification pundits.

It’s looking great actually, Jack Smith just secured Trumps re-election. I say fake indict him again so his numbers go up even further.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2023, 08:13:06 PM
Banana Republic.

Trump says he’s been indicted in classified documents probe
BY BRETT SAMUELS AND REBECCA BEITSCH - 06/08/23
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4041640-trump-says-hes-been-indicted-in-classified-documents-probe/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 01:29:49 AM
It’s looking great actually, Jack Smith just secured Trumps re-election. I say fake indict him again so his numbers go up even further.


Pretty sure it will be a real indictment. Just like the last one was. 

:D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 01:31:06 AM
One thing for sure….   Looks like this has sunk the little excuse that naysayers were clinging to about there was “no declassification process”.  When in fact, there was.   ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 02:16:06 AM
Make your excuses now before the truth comes out.   Whole lot of people from this thread will be eating crow when it’s over. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on June 09, 2023, 08:07:15 AM
Make your excuses now before the truth comes out.   Whole lot of people from this thread will be eating crow when it’s over.

how are you enjoying the hunter pics of children  ?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2023, 08:29:30 AM
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 08:48:17 AM


What time does the second civil war start?  I’d hate to blink and miss it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Scott on June 09, 2023, 08:50:11 AM
What time does the second civil war start?  I’d hate to blink and miss it.



Fuck off.  You and several others here are by your own words and votes  supporters of the Party of Pedophiles and Child Mutilators - Democrats

Never forgive and never forget why.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2023, 08:55:28 AM
What time does the second civil war start?  I’d hate to blink and miss it.

Liberal fag can't defend themselves against a paper airplane. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 09:01:00 AM
Liberal fag can't defend themselves against a paper airplane.

Against hillbillies and fat/crippled fucks that can’t walk a half block without getting winded they won’t have to. 

What’s your tactic going to be?   Lay down and pull guard every time someone walks by you?  Run over them with the assault bike? 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 09:02:28 AM


Fuck off.  You and several others here are by your own words and votes  supporters of the Party of Pedophiles and Child Mutilators - Democrats

Never forgive and never forget why.

And we are cannibals and have a Jewish Space Laser.  Get it right. Don’t just include the parts that you have secret fantasies over.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on June 09, 2023, 09:05:49 AM
Against hillbillies and fat/crippled fucks that can’t walk a half block without getting winded they won’t have to. 

What’s your tactic going to be?   Lay down and pull guard every time someone walks by you?  Run over them with the assault bike?

LMAO!🤣
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Post by: The Scott on June 09, 2023, 09:06:19 AM
And we are cannibals and have a Jewish Space Laser.  Get it right. Don’t just include the parts that you have secret fantasies over.

The truth doesn't disgust you for you and your Pedo-Pal Party of Democrats are constantly playing the Democrats favorite game of :

Moral Limbo.  How low will you go?

Fuck off.  You and several others here are by your own words and votes  supporters of the Party of Pedophiles and Child Mutilators - Democrats

Never forgive and never forget why.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 09:28:21 AM
Instead of copy and pasting your self loathing projections over and over on various threads why not do something a bit more meaningful.  Donate money to him. A grifting email went out less than an hour after he announced it.  Donate.  You can spare a little of that disability check. 
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Post by: TheGrinch on June 09, 2023, 12:46:00 PM
What happened to Biden's classified docs they found?
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Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2023, 12:51:36 PM
What happened to Biden's classified docs they found?

Or Hillary on her server at her house? 
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Post by: illuminati on June 09, 2023, 01:02:20 PM
What are the Retards going to do when there is no Donald - how will they find
anything to occupy their minds 24/7 - they sure are Threatened & so worried by Donald,
If they weren't they'd of moved on & forgotten about him.

They must see Donald as areal threat to all their lgbtMentalIllness / drag queen /
pedophilia etc.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 01:22:27 PM
No one cares what an illiterate lying foreign c unt thinks of US politics. 
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Post by: illuminati on June 09, 2023, 01:28:44 PM
 :D ;D :D ;D :D
Ha Ha Ha

Woof Woof the Poof Poof
has immediately responded after my post

Hey Woof Woof if it is a reply to my post I can't see it  ;D
Seek some Mental health treatment Flash Rob.

Woof Woof.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 09, 2023, 02:24:54 PM
You read every word liar. 

When your citizenship papers arrives and you can vote then your opinion will mean something.  When will that happen?
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2023, 05:04:09 PM
What happened to Biden's classified docs they found?

Still being "investigated," but nothing will happen. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2023, 05:05:34 PM
Or Hillary on her server at her house?

Or the 30k emails she deleted and cell phones they literally smashed after they were subpoenaed? 

Doesn't matter.  Different rules for Democrats. 
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 10, 2023, 01:49:48 AM
With nothing else to defend Duhnold with, Trumpturds turn to talking about Biden, Hillary, Hunter, etc.   

 ::)

Why is that not predictable?

Hillary was investigated - and cleared - twice over the emails. 

But don’t let that stem your flow of tears.  Might want to get a bigger bucket since the very law Trumpy upgraded in making mishandling documents a more severe crime is probably the same one they will use to sentence him under.  Talk about karma.

Good times!
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Post by: The Gov on June 10, 2023, 08:00:18 AM
LMAO!🤣

Wow what a  ::) surprise , the groomer's gimmick to talk to himself
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Post by: The Gov on June 10, 2023, 08:01:31 AM
With nothing else to defend Duhnold with, Trumpturds turn to talking about Biden, Hillary, Hunter, etc.   

 ::)

Why is that not predictable?

Hillary was investigated - and cleared - twice over the emails. 

But don’t let that stem your flow of tears.  Might want to get a bigger bucket since the very law Trumpy upgraded in making mishandling documents a more severe crime is probably the same one they will use to sentence him under.  Talk about karma.

Good times!

spoken  like a child, the Groomer is in his default grooming  mode...
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2023, 11:56:45 AM
I think this comes down to how the judge interprets and applies the Presidential Records Act, which isn’t mentioned in the indictment.  It allows a POTUS to take records when he leaves office, regardless of classification status.  And there is no criminal penalty for violating the Presidential Records Act.  That didn’t stop Biden and his DOJ from manufacturing a crime.

The fact they are trying to put Trump in prison for life over this should disturb every freedom-loving American.
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Post by: Agnostic007 on June 12, 2023, 09:02:33 PM
I think this comes down to how the judge interprets and applies the Presidential Records Act, which isn’t mentioned in the indictment.  It allows a POTUS to take records when he leaves office, regardless of classification status.  And there is no criminal penalty for violating the Presidential Records Act.  That didn’t stop Biden and his DOJ from manufacturing a crime.

The fact they are trying to put Trump in prison for life over this should disturb every freedom-loving American.

The Presidential Records Act, or PRA, governs the maintenance of presidential records. It was passed in 1978, after former President Richard Nixon sought to destroy recordings made in the White House that documented activities related to the Watergate scandal, David S. Ferriero, archivist of the United States who is in charge of NARA, explained in a 2017 publication for the National Archives.

When a president leaves office, the archivist takes custody of the records from that administration and is responsible for their preservation and for providing access to the public, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

“The Presidential Records Act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations,” NARA said in its Jan. 31 statement.

Jason R. Baron, a professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at NARA, cited the PRA when we asked him to evaluate Fitton’s claim. The PRA was “enacted to ensure that the American people — not the president — own records created or received by a president when in office,” he told us by email.

“A president has no legal right to tear up, shred, or otherwise dispose of copies of records that he creates or receives while in office (including his own notes or annotations on documents concerning official business),” Baron said.

He noted that the PRA allows a sitting president to dispose of official records only after consulting with the archivist.

Baron also said that a president doesn’t have “the right to decide for himself that he will take boxes containing presidential records to his own residence after he leaves office, even if it is allegedly for the purpose of transferring them to a presidential library.”

“The PRA specifies that upon the conclusion of a president’s time in office, the Archivist assumes legal control of presidential records, and the Archivist alone is empowered to decide where those records will be housed,” Baron said.

Kel McClanahan, a professor at the George Washington University Law School and executive director of the public interest law firm National Security Counselors, had a similar but slightly different take.

He honed in on an issue that was also noted in the CRS report, which cited Ferriero’s 2017 article. The report explained that the PRA allows for personal records to be classified separately from official presidential records and that “the President has a high degree of discretion over what materials are to be preserved under the PRA.”

So, McClanahan said, Fitton technically has a point when saying, “A president has discretion on what docs to retain as presidential records while in office.”

But, in this case, that’s a moot point, since both NARA and Trump have referred to the recently recovered material as official presidential records.

Trump issued a statement on Feb. 10 saying that some of the materials would eventually be displayed in his presidential library. “It was a great honor to work with NARA to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy,” the statement said.

So, given Trump’s acknowledgement that the materials were designated as presidential records under the PRA, it would appear to be a violation to leave office with them.

“Bottom line,” McClanahan said, “if Trump believed these were presidential records, he couldn’t freely take them with him as Fitton said. And if he didn’t believe they were presidential records, then they wouldn’t go in his Presidential Library as Trump claimed. So either Fitton or Trump can be speaking truthfully, but not both.”

McClanahan also noted that Fitton wasn’t specific about which law he was talking about. The destruction of presidential records could be a violation of two other federal laws that protect records and other government property, he said.

We reached out to Judicial Watch for clarification, but we didn’t hear back.

The Washington Post, which was the first news outlet to report on the boxes recovered from Mar-a-Lago, noted that all recent presidential administrations have had some PRA violations, although most have involved the use of unofficial email accounts and phones.

In a statement addressing the current situation, Ferriero said, “NARA pursues the return of records whenever we learn that records have been improperly removed or have not been appropriately transferred to official accounts.”

NARA had worked with representatives for Trump over the course of 2021 to find records that hadn’t been transferred, according to a statement from the administration. In December, one of those representatives identified the recently recovered boxes and “NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington,” the statement says.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 12, 2023, 09:20:44 PM
I think it comes down to Trumpy refusing to return them, lying about having them, hiding them and showing them to people who did not have clearance.

After all that is pretty much what the indictment says. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 13, 2023, 12:14:05 AM
The Presidential Records Act, or PRA, governs the maintenance of presidential records. It was passed in 1978, after former President Richard Nixon sought to destroy recordings made in the White House that documented activities related to the Watergate scandal, David S. Ferriero, archivist of the United States who is in charge of NARA, explained in a 2017 publication for the National Archives.

When a president leaves office, the archivist takes custody of the records from that administration and is responsible for their preservation and for providing access to the public, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

“The Presidential Records Act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations,” NARA said in its Jan. 31 statement.

Jason R. Baron, a professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at NARA, cited the PRA when we asked him to evaluate Fitton’s claim. The PRA was “enacted to ensure that the American people — not the president — own records created or received by a president when in office,” he told us by email.

“A president has no legal right to tear up, shred, or otherwise dispose of copies of records that he creates or receives while in office (including his own notes or annotations on documents concerning official business),” Baron said.

He noted that the PRA allows a sitting president to dispose of official records only after consulting with the archivist.

Baron also said that a president doesn’t have “the right to decide for himself that he will take boxes containing presidential records to his own residence after he leaves office, even if it is allegedly for the purpose of transferring them to a presidential library.”

“The PRA specifies that upon the conclusion of a president’s time in office, the Archivist assumes legal control of presidential records, and the Archivist alone is empowered to decide where those records will be housed,” Baron said.

Kel McClanahan, a professor at the George Washington University Law School and executive director of the public interest law firm National Security Counselors, had a similar but slightly different take.

He honed in on an issue that was also noted in the CRS report, which cited Ferriero’s 2017 article. The report explained that the PRA allows for personal records to be classified separately from official presidential records and that “the President has a high degree of discretion over what materials are to be preserved under the PRA.”

So, McClanahan said, Fitton technically has a point when saying, “A president has discretion on what docs to retain as presidential records while in office.”

But, in this case, that’s a moot point, since both NARA and Trump have referred to the recently recovered material as official presidential records.

Trump issued a statement on Feb. 10 saying that some of the materials would eventually be displayed in his presidential library. “It was a great honor to work with NARA to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy,” the statement said.

So, given Trump’s acknowledgement that the materials were designated as presidential records under the PRA, it would appear to be a violation to leave office with them.

“Bottom line,” McClanahan said, “if Trump believed these were presidential records, he couldn’t freely take them with him as Fitton said. And if he didn’t believe they were presidential records, then they wouldn’t go in his Presidential Library as Trump claimed. So either Fitton or Trump can be speaking truthfully, but not both.”

McClanahan also noted that Fitton wasn’t specific about which law he was talking about. The destruction of presidential records could be a violation of two other federal laws that protect records and other government property, he said.

We reached out to Judicial Watch for clarification, but we didn’t hear back.

The Washington Post, which was the first news outlet to report on the boxes recovered from Mar-a-Lago, noted that all recent presidential administrations have had some PRA violations, although most have involved the use of unofficial email accounts and phones.

In a statement addressing the current situation, Ferriero said, “NARA pursues the return of records whenever we learn that records have been improperly removed or have not been appropriately transferred to official accounts.”

NARA had worked with representatives for Trump over the course of 2021 to find records that hadn’t been transferred, according to a statement from the administration. In December, one of those representatives identified the recently recovered boxes and “NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington,” the statement says.

Where did you get this cut and paste from? 
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 13, 2023, 12:33:51 AM
Dershowitz to Newsmax: Trump Indictment Doesn't Pass Nixon TestBy Solange Reyner
Friday, 09 June 2023
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/nixon-trump-dershowitz/2023/06/09/id/1123068/
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 13, 2023, 12:38:56 AM
Judicial Watch: Clinton Sock Drawer Audio Tape Case Exonerates Pres. Trump
June 6, 2023
https://www.oann.com/newsroom/judicial-watch-clinton-sock-drawer-audio-tape-case-exonerates-pres-trump/
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 13, 2023, 11:52:48 PM
Trump’s Boxes and Clinton’s Sock Drawer
A president chooses what records to return or keep and the National Archives can’t do anything about it.
By Michael Bekesha
June 13, 2023

In an interview with 'Fox News Sunday' on June 11, 2023, former Attorney General William Barr rejected claims that Donald Trump's indictment is a continuation of the 'witch-hunt' that plagued his presidency. Images: AP/AFP/Getty Images Composite: Mark Kelly
Although the indictment against Donald Trump doesn’t cite the Presidential Records Act, the charges are predicated on the law. The indictment came about only because the government thought Mr. Trump took records that didn’t belong to him, and the government raided his house to find any such records.

This should never have happened. The Presidential Records Act allows the president to decide what records to return and what records to keep at the end of his presidency. And the National Archives and Records Administration can’t do anything about it. I know because I’m the lawyer who lost the “Clinton sock drawer” case.

In 2009, historian Taylor Branch published “The Clinton Tapes: Wrestling History With the President.” The book is based on recordings of Mr. Branch’s 79 meetings with Bill Clinton between Jan. 20, 1993, and Jan. 20, 2001. According to Mr. Branch, the audiotapes preserved not only Mr. Clinton’s thoughts on issues he faced while president, but also some actual events, such as phone conversations. Among them:

• Mr. Clinton calling several U.S. senators and trying to persuade them to vote against an amendment by Sen. John McCain requiring the immediate withdrawal of troops from Somalia

• Mr. Clinton’s side of a phone call with Rep. William Natcher (D., Ky.) in which the president explained that his reasoning for joining the North American Free Trade Agreement was based on technical forecasts in his presidential briefings.

• Mr. Clinton’s side of a phone conversation with Secretary of State Warren Christopher about a diplomatic impasse over Bosnia.

• Mr. Clinton seeking advice from Mr. Branch on pending foreign-policy decisions such as military involvement in Haiti and possibly easing the embargo of Cuba.

The White House made the audiotapes. Nancy Hernreich, then director of Oval Office operations, set up the meetings between Messrs. Clinton and Branch and was involved in the logistics of the recordings. Did that make them presidential records?

The National Archives and Records Administration was never given the recordings. As Mr. Branch tells it, Mr. Clinton hid them in his sock drawer to keep them away from the public and took them with him when he left office.

My organization, Judicial Watch, sent a Freedom of Information Act request to NARA for the audiotapes. The agency responded that the tapes were Mr. Clinton’s personal records and therefore not subject to the Presidential Records Act or the Freedom of Information Act.

We sued in federal court and asked the judge to declare the audiotapes to be presidential records and, because they weren’t currently in NARA’s possession, compel the government to get them.

In defending NARA, the Justice Department argued that NARA doesn’t have “a duty to engage in a never-ending search for potential presidential records” that weren’t provided to NARA by the president at the end of his term. Nor, the department asserted, does the Presidential Records Act require NARA to appropriate potential presidential records forcibly. The government’s position was that Congress had decided that the president and the president alone decides what is a presidential record and what isn’t. He may take with him whatever records he chooses at the end of his term.

Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed: “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”

Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.”

I lost because Judge Jackson concluded the government’s hands were tied. Mr. Clinton took the tapes, and no one could do anything about it.

The same is true with Mr. Trump. Although he didn’t keep records in his sock drawer, he gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, documents and other materials in cardboard boxes. Then Mr. Trump, like Mr. Clinton, took those boxes with him when he left office. As of noon on Jan. 20, 2021, whatever remained at the White House was presidential records. Whatever was taken by Mr. Trump wasn’t. That was the position of the Justice Department in 2010 and the ruling by Judge Jackson in 2012.

A decade later, the government should never have gone searching for potential presidential records. Nor should it have forcibly taken records from Mr. Trump. The government should lose U.S. v. Trump. If the courts decide otherwise, I want those Clinton tapes.

Mr. Bekesha is a senior attorney at Judicial Watch.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-sock-drawer-and-trumps-indictment-documents-pra-personal-files-13986b28?mod=djemalertNEWS
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 14, 2023, 12:44:06 AM
How’s that no declassification process excuse coming along?

It’s 2023. Not 2009, 2001 or 1993. 

Karma is Trumpy upgraded the law that he is going to punished under.  8)
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Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2023, 03:48:59 PM
Where did you get this cut and paste from?

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html ...and not Breitbart.

When you read it be sure not to confuse incumbent President with outgoing President.

"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."


§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


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Post by: AbrahamG on June 14, 2023, 03:51:58 PM
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html ...and not Breitbart.

When you read it be sure not to confuse incumbent President with outgoing President.

"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."


§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

Stopped reading at .gov    ;D
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 15, 2023, 12:11:30 AM
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html ...and not Breitbart.

When you read it be sure not to confuse incumbent President with outgoing President.

"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."


§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

An official website vs. an opinion piece?  LOL

The president doesn’t get to decide what he keeps. The minute he leaves office ALL records and documents belong to the NARA.  There is no bargaining.  No trading.  No take backsies. No borrowing.  It’s factual information available if someone takes a minute to go directly to the source site and read. Instead of spending time looking for some fluff piece to keep themselves misinformed with.
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Post by: The Gov on June 15, 2023, 04:39:00 AM
Stopped reading at .gov    ;D

says GroomerOfBoys gimmick  ::)
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Post by: Princess L on June 15, 2023, 06:55:09 AM
I think this comes down to how the judge interprets and applies the Presidential Records Act, which isn’t mentioned in the indictment.  It allows a POTUS to take records when he leaves office, regardless of classification status.  And there is no criminal penalty for violating the Presidential Records Act.  That didn’t stop Biden and his DOJ from manufacturing a crime.

The fact they are trying to put Trump in prison for life over this should disturb every freedom-loving American.
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html ...and not Breitbart.

When you read it be sure not to confuse incumbent President with outgoing President.

"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."


§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

Read the article right above your post, which includes quotes from Judge Amy Berman Jackson on this issue.
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2023, 12:01:25 AM
6 Reasons DOJ’s ‘Get Trump’ Documents Case Is Seriously Flawed
BY: WILL SCHARF
JUNE 16, 2023
Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act.

Iam a former assistant U.S. attorney, worked on two Supreme Court confirmations, and clerked for two federal appellate judges. I have reviewed the indictment brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the documents case against former President Donald Trump, and have serious concerns with the way this case is being framed in the public and with some aspects of the way the prosecution itself is being conducted.

Here are six major issues I see that need to be addressed by the special counsel’s team.

1. Interplay Between the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act
Others have already spoken insightfully about the scope of the Presidential Records Act (PRA). Mike Davis of the Article III Project has published and spoken on the subject, and Michael Bekesha of Judicial Watch had a fascinating article in The Wall Street Journal detailing his experience litigating the Clinton Sock Drawer Case.

Basically, their argument distills down to the idea that the president’s authority to retain personal records, as well as his rights to access his presidential records, make it impossible to prosecute him under the Espionage Act section at issue here, § 793(e), because the government cannot prove “unauthorized possession,” as required under the statute.

I want to make a different point relating to the intent element of the Espionage Act, the statute Trump is being charged under.

Section 793(e) requires the government to prove that the defendant knew he had National Defense Information (NDI) in his possession, knew there was a government official entitled to receive the information, and then willfully failed to deliver it to that official.

This is a very high set of mens rea bars to jump in any circumstance. Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act.

The Presidential Records Act sets up a system where the president designates all records that he creates either as presidential or personal records (44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)). A former president is supposed to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), and he has the right to keep his personal records.

Based on the documents I’ve read and his actions I’ve read about, I believe Trump viewed his “boxes” as his personal records under the PRA. There are statements he made, quoted in the indictment, that support that view. If Trump considered the contents of these boxes to be of purely personal interest, hence his designation of them as personal records, did he knowingly retain NDI?

Did he really think these documents, like years-old briefing notes and random maps, jumbled together with his letters, news clippings, scribbled notes, and random miscellaneous items, “could be used to the injury of the United States”? Or did he just think of them as mementos of his time in office, his personal records of the four years, akin to a journal or diary?

If he thought these boxes were his personal records, he may have believed NARA simply had no right to receive them at all — meaning he did not willfully withhold anything from an official he knew had the right to receive them because he didn’t believe that anyone had the right to receive them.

By breathlessly bandying around classification levels and markings, the special counsel is trying to make this case seem much, much simpler than it is. Classification levels do not automatically make something NDI, and having classified documents in your possession is not enough to convict here. It is simply not the case that the fact that previously classified documents were found in boxes in a Mar-a-Lago bathroom means Trump is guilty.

That’s what they want you to think, and that has the media’s inch-deep view for the most part, but it’s dead wrong.

More than anything, this case hinges on the ability of the special counsel to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” aspects of Trump’s state of mind that will be extremely difficult to prove in this case because of his obligations and rights under the Presidential Records Act — in addition to all of the usual issues.

2. Classification and National Defense Information
Just because something is classified — even Top Secret, SCI, NOFORN, FISA, pick your alphabet soup — does not mean it is National Defense Information within the meaning of the Espionage Act. NDI, for the purposes of an Espionage Act prosecution, is defined as one of a long list of items “relating to the national defense which information the possessor had reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.”

A lot of the documents listed in the indictment are older, or seemingly random. Would Trump in 2022 have had reason to know that a 2019 briefing document “related to various foreign countries, with handwritten annotation in black marker” could harm the U.S. or help foreign countries?

It is tough to say because we cannot see the documents, but that is a question the jury is going to have to decide in the end, and Trump’s legal team needs to drive home this point over and over again: Classification is not dispositive in this case. Harm to America or benefit to foreign countries is the standard.

Anyone who has worked around government knows that overclassification is a huge problem. A ton of documents end up being classified because of arcane technical rules that may not reflect the real world. If the president were to ask the Navy what’s for lunch for the next week at Coronado, for example, there is a good chance the answer comes back with a classification marker on it.

To put it simply, not everything classified constitutes NDI. This case revolves around actual legal standards and statutory language, not a bunch of scary-looking all-caps acronyms.

3. Walt Nauta and DOJ Misconduct
Far and away the most troubling side story to emerge from this saga so far are the allegations made by Trump aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta’s lawyer last week.

You may have missed it if you blinked. Not surprisingly, the corporate media have mostly buried this one.

Nauta’s lawyer, Stanley Woodward, alleged in a court filing that during a meeting with prosecutors about his client’s case, the head of the Counterintelligence Section of DOJ’s National Security Division Jay Bratt “suggested Woodward’s judicial application [for a DC Superior Court judgeship] might be considered more favorably if he and his client cooperated against Trump.”

If true, and I find it hard to believe that Woodward just made the whole thing up, this is wild misconduct. Truly wild. It could undermine the entire case against both Trump and Nauta. It could end careers at DOJ if fairly investigated.

Woodward is a highly accomplished lawyer. He spent a decade at Akin Gump, a top law firm, clerked on the D.C. Circuit, and has very substantial experience in government investigations. This is not some fly-by-night TV lawyer. He is a legal heavyweight, and he is leveling an extremely serious allegation of misconduct against a senior official at DOJ.

Watch this issue as the case against Trump and Nauta begins to move. We will all hear more about it, I am sure.

4. Attorney-Client Privilege
The indictment relies on a significant amount of information received, in one form or another, from one of Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran, who was compelled to testify in front of the grand jury. According to news reports, the argument for breaching the privilege was the crime-fraud exception, which is worth examining in greater detail.

The attorney-client privilege protects from disclosure to the government confidential communications made between clients and their attorneys. It has been around for centuries and is considered a core protection in our system of justice.

The crime-fraud exception, though, allows the attorney-client privilege to be broken in rare circumstances when two requirements are met: First, there needs to be a prima facie showing that the client was engaged in criminal conduct. Second, the client has to have obtained or sought the attorney’s assistance in furthering that crime.

I have not seen DOJ’s filings on Corcoran, but I would be interested to know how they argued this. First of all, what was the crime they used as a predicate? Was it unlawful retention of the documents? If so, there is nothing in the indictment that I can see indicating Corcoran’s communications with Trump would have furthered that in a way that would justify breaching privilege.

Was it obstruction? I think this is the most likely option: They pierced attorney-client privilege using obstruction as the predicate crime for the crime-fraud exception, saying that Trump’s conversations with Corcoran amounted to him attempting to enlist Corcoran in a criminal obstruction scheme.

Now, we will see how this theory goes for the government. I have my doubts.

But if that is the case, just reading this indictment, it seems as though the obstruction charges may have been structured specifically in part just to get Corcoran’s testimony in, to help buttress what would otherwise be a much weaker case against Trump on the substantive charges.

In any case, the special counsel is going to have to show why the communications in question were a solicitation by Trump to Corcoran to join him in criminal acts, as opposed to Trump asking a lawyer he hired to advise him on his legal defense, to tell him what his options were, or to outline what defensive steps might be possible, and what was done by others in previous cases like Hillary Clinton’s emails.

Reading the conversations in the indictment, they sound a lot more like honest attorney-client communications than they do crime fraud to me, even with all ellipses and modifications made by the special counsel’s team.

I expect a motion by Trump’s legal team on this issue, and if they win that will cut the guts out of much of this case. It will be very tough to prove intent and willfulness the way the government needs to without Corcoran, at least based on what we see in the indictment.

5. Timing: Why Now?
This is not a legal defect in the indictment, but it is an important point nonetheless. Why are they bringing this case now?

They know Trump is the leading candidate for president. They know he is beating Biden in the polls. They must know how bad it looks for a sitting president’s DOJ to indict that president’s primary political opponent.

DOJ has long had policies in place to prevent new indictments from being brought, or overt investigative acts being committed, in the months preceding an election in order to avoid the appearance of political timing. The same reasoning clearly applies here.

The special counsel’s team did not have a statute of limitations issue, they could have easily just announced the facts as they saw them after the search warrant was executed and all the documents were recovered, and then held off on further investigative acts and the indictment until after November 2024.

The fact that they did not follow that course is strong evidence to me that a big part of this is the burning desire among many on the left to “get Trump.” They don’t care about the law. They don’t care about the facts. They don’t care about norms or propriety or anything else. They just want Trump in cuffs.

The fact that our law enforcement and intelligence apparatuses are being weaponized in this way against a leading presidential contender is truly a black mark on them and on our republic.

If I were Trump’s lawyers, I would consider moving to continue further proceedings until after November 2024. Let the case sit. The country doesn’t need to litigate this right now. We need to pick our next president. If DOJ won’t agree to that continuance, let them explain why this has to happen right now. There is no good reason that I can see.

6. Jack Smith: Why Him?
If you could pick any lawyer in the country to handle a controversial case against a former president, a case involving an aggressive, unprecedented use of the Espionage Act, a controversial law in and of itself, what lawyer would you pick?

You’d probably want just a consummate professional, right? Career prosecutor with no political profile at all? White knight in shining armor who’s never lost a case?

Or you could pick Jack Smith.

The single case Jack Smith is most publicly associated with was the prosecution of Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell.

In that case, using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a unanimous opinion.

A unanimous Supreme Court smacked Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician, and the opinion was so devastating that DOJ did not even attempt to retry the case. It was just dropped.

As has been noted publicly as well, Smith’s wife is a leftist filmmaker who produced a hagiography of Michelle Obama, and he currently lives in the Netherlands. Was there not anyone else up to the task on this side of the Atlantic?

If this is not a political prosecution, if Merrick Garland wasn’t just trying to “get Trump,” then why was Jack Smith the pick? Like the timing, the decision reeks of politics.

Will Scharf is a former federal prosecutor, who also worked on the confirmations of Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. He is currently a Republican candidate for Missouri Attorney General.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2023%2F06%2F16%2Fsix-reasons-dojs-legal-case-against-trump-is-seriously-flawed%2F
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 18, 2023, 04:56:04 PM
Sounds like someone wasn't getting paid.   :D
Or maybe he just values his law license. 

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Trump lawyer who bailed on documents case says in separate lawsuit he is withdrawing due to ‘irreconcilable differences’.

A lawyer who was representing former President Donald Trump in his defamation lawsuit against CNN said Friday that he was withdrawing from the case, in the latest sign of the break-up of the Trump legal team since the lawyer, Jim Trusty, and another Trump attorney stopped representing the former president in the criminal documents case against him.

“Mr. Trusty’s withdrawal is based upon irreconcilable differences between Counsel and Plaintiff and Counsel can no longer effectively and properly represent Plaintiff,” Trusty said in a filing requesting the court’s permission to withdraw.

Trusty, along with attorney John Rowley, previously announced that they would not represent Trump in the charges that special counsel Jack Smith brought against the former president, related to the sensitive government documents he retained from his presidency and his alleged obstruction of the federal investigation into the handling of those materials.

They made the announcement last Friday morning, after Trump was told of the indictment. Trump pleaded not guilty to the charges Tuesday.
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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=rump+lawyer+who+bailed+on+documents+case+says+in+separate+lawsuit+he+is+withdrawing+due+to+%E2%80%98irreconcilable+differences%E2%80%99
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Post by: Primemuscle on June 18, 2023, 07:08:07 PM
Stopped reading at .gov    ;D

And that is because many if not most facts are too boring and not interesting or controversial. Opinions are much more fun and entertaining. Laws are based on facts. So there is that. 
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Post by: Dos Equis on June 22, 2023, 01:04:53 PM
Nearly 2/3 of Americans say Trump indictment politically motivated
Smith has pressed 37 criminal charges against Trump stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified materials.
By Ben Whedon
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/nearly-23-americans-say-trump-indictment-politically-motivated
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 22, 2023, 04:08:40 PM
Nearly 2/3 of Americans say Trump indictment politically motivated
Smith has pressed 37 criminal charges against Trump stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified materials.
By Ben Whedon
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/nearly-23-americans-say-trump-indictment-politically-motivated

Oh... and I guess the other 1/3 say it is because of the crimes he committed.  Which is like,... totally in the realm of reality you know.
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Post by: illuminati on June 23, 2023, 06:05:57 AM



FFS I laugh every time

" God Save The Queen"  Joe Biden   ;D
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Post by: Agnostic007 on July 04, 2023, 12:35:45 AM
Nearly 2/3 of Americans say Trump indictment politically motivated
Smith has pressed 37 criminal charges against Trump stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified materials.
By Ben Whedon
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/nearly-23-americans-say-trump-indictment-politically-motivated

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

"in 2020 they had Biden +11. That’s awful. They had Biden + 5 in Florida, even worse.

2016 they had Clinton +1 in Florida, plus 2 in North Carolina and Trump +5 in Ohio, which is pretty bad, but not as awful as 2020."


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/quinnipiac-university/


Can it be both? For example, I know Trump according to the Mueller report violated some rules. Yes, Mueller didn't have the balls to outright say Trump should be charged for X. He mistakenly thought Congress would. But my point is, if I was at a public event where I knew the Mayor of the town of 1200 people was brother in lawing contracts, and playing the game to pad his own pockets.. I might turn a blind eye.. But when it comes to the President of the United States reaching out to a Foreign president to investigate his political rival or money would be witheld, its a different level. So while I am not impressed with Bidens performance, he was better than Trump

So I can absolutely give a Biden approval rating of 38% and STILL be grateful Trump is not in office
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Post by: illuminati on July 04, 2023, 06:33:35 AM
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

"in 2020 they had Biden +11. That’s awful. They had Biden + 5 in Florida, even worse.

2016 they had Clinton +1 in Florida, plus 2 in North Carolina and Trump +5 in Ohio, which is pretty bad, but not as awful as 2020."


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/quinnipiac-university/


Can it be both? For example, I know Trump according to the Mueller report violated some rules. Yes, Mueller didn't have the balls to outright say Trump should be charged for X. He mistakenly thought Congress would. But my point is, if I was at a public event where I knew the Mayor of the town of 1200 people was brother in lawing contracts, and playing the game to pad his own pockets.. I might turn a blind eye.. But when it comes to the President of the United States reaching out to a Foreign president to investigate his political rival or money would be witheld, its a different level. So while I am not impressed with Bidens performance, he was better than Trump

So I can absolutely give a Biden approval rating of 38% and STILL be grateful Trump is not in office

What policies were so awful under Donald's admin ??
How was your life so much worse ?
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Post by: Agnostic007 on July 04, 2023, 10:12:53 AM
What policies were so awful under Donald's admin ??
How was your life so much worse ?

I've been fine under every president. I was fine under Trump... I'll be fine under Biden...
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Post by: illuminati on July 04, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
I've been fine under every president. I was fine under Trump... I'll be fine under Biden...

Okay That's good.

Only I didn't ask that question - You said Biden was the lesser of 2 evils
I asked What was so Wrong / evil about Donald's policies ?

I have started a thread asking the same & hope to get some input from
Democrats / Biden supporters
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 04, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Okay That's good.

Only I didn't ask that question - You said Biden was the lesser of 2 evils
I asked What was so Wrong / evil about Donald's policies ?

I have started a thread asking the same & hope to get some input from
Democrats / Biden supporters

Good luck with that.  I've asked Agnostic the same question and he cannot answer.  The most substantive thing you will get is essentially "Orange Man Bad."
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 04, 2023, 12:32:47 PM
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

"in 2020 they had Biden +11. That’s awful. They had Biden + 5 in Florida, even worse.

2016 they had Clinton +1 in Florida, plus 2 in North Carolina and Trump +5 in Ohio, which is pretty bad, but not as awful as 2020."


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/quinnipiac-university/


Can it be both? For example, I know Trump according to the Mueller report violated some rules. Yes, Mueller didn't have the balls to outright say Trump should be charged for X. He mistakenly thought Congress would. But my point is, if I was at a public event where I knew the Mayor of the town of 1200 people was brother in lawing contracts, and playing the game to pad his own pockets.. I might turn a blind eye.. But when it comes to the President of the United States reaching out to a Foreign president to investigate his political rival or money would be witheld, its a different level. So while I am not impressed with Bidens performance, he was better than Trump

So I can absolutely give a Biden approval rating of 38% and STILL be grateful Trump is not in office

What is the purpose of the two links you posted?  What point are you trying to make? 

Yes you can be grateful that the Biden Crime Family is in office, which directly led to death of 13 American service members.  You must be so proud.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 04, 2023, 02:15:01 PM
How many service members "suckers and losers" died under Trumpy?

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Post by: illuminati on July 04, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Good luck with that.  I've asked Agnostic the same question and he cannot answer.  The most substantive thing you will get is essentially "Orange Man Bad."

Oh !!! I'm hoping he will provide a decent answer , other than I hate Trump / Orange man bad.

I started the thread asking Biden & Democrats supporters the same question,
What policies were so detrimental to them & America.

Hopefully they will respond.
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Post by: Primemuscle on July 04, 2023, 03:25:22 PM
I've been fine under every president. I was fine under Trump... I'll be fine under Biden...

Same.
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Post by: illuminati on July 04, 2023, 03:29:46 PM
Same.

Maybe you will respond to my tread & question ?
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 04, 2023, 03:34:50 PM
Same.

Exactly.

2 impeachments
Attempts at stealing an election
2 indictments (and counting)
Multiple bankruptcies
Many lost lawsuits
Campaign fraud, business fraud, charity fraud, etc

I guess that answers it.  At the end of the day it hasn’t yet affected me who sits in the WH.

I’m doing better now than I did in 2016-2020
I did better then than I did in 2012-2016
I did better then than I did in 2008-2012
Etc

But that’s from my own designs and decisions not who gets voted in.
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Post by: Primemuscle on July 04, 2023, 03:49:23 PM
Maybe you will respond to my tread & question ?

"Same" is my response to your question.

If you were hoping for a more detailed response, here you go: with respect to any direct and relevant impact on my life, it was neither better nor worse under the Trump administration, just as it has been neither better nor worse under the Biden administration or any of the other administration that I am aware of.

Most of my life has been exceptional, the few times it not been great, it had nothing to do with the administration in place at the time, but rather personal matters like when my wife passed. Maybe I am just lucky, huh? 
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Post by: chaos on July 04, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
With nothing else to defend Duhnold with, Trumpturds turn to talking about Biden, Hillary, Hunter, etc.   

 ::)

Why is that not predictable?

Hillary was investigated - and cleared - twice over the emails. 

But don’t let that stem your flow of tears.  Might want to get a bigger bucket since the very law Trumpy upgraded in making mishandling documents a more severe crime is probably the same one they will use to sentence him under.  Talk about karma.

Good times!
Says the guy that interrupts every Biden thread with his TDS. "bUt DoNulD TrUmP" was accused of something too!!! ::)
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 04, 2023, 07:20:13 PM
Says the guy that interrupts every Biden thread with his TDS. "bUt DoNulD TrUmP" was accused of something too!!! ::)

Says the guy that defends every Trumpy fact with his TDfS when it is posted.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 05, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
HAHAHA It only gets better.   The less redacted FBI search warrant that caused the raid judge approved search of Mar-A-Lardo.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Read+the+less+redacted+FBI+search+warrant+that+formed+the+basis+of+the+DOJ%27s+unprecedented+Trump+indictment

But never fear,...   we all know he declassified them with his mind, even though no official declassification process exists, and the feds planted all the docs there anyway.  That is the defense Trumpy's legal counsel is making.  (Actually, they are not because they are not that stupid like some people.)

GOOD TIMES!!
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2023, 10:26:54 PM
‘No white knight’: Jack Smith’s record rife with mistrials, overturned convictions, judicial rebukes
By Jeff Mordock - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 4, 2023
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/4/jack-smiths-record-rife-mistrials-overturned-convi/
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2023, 10:34:07 PM
Nearly 2/3 of Americans say Trump indictment politically motivated
Smith has pressed 37 criminal charges against Trump stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified materials.
By Ben Whedon
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/nearly-23-americans-say-trump-indictment-politically-motivated
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 06, 2023, 08:13:03 AM
‘No white knight’: Jack Smith’s record rife with mistrials, overturned convictions, judicial rebukes
By Jeff Mordock - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 4, 2023
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/4/jack-smiths-record-rife-mistrials-overturned-convi/

Well then, that should bring some relief to the Trumpturds and they can sleep easy at night now.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 06, 2023, 08:15:25 AM
Nearly 2/3 of Americans say Trump indictment politically motivated
Smith has pressed 37 criminal charges against Trump stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified materials.
By Ben Whedon
Updated: June 21, 2023
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/nearly-23-americans-say-trump-indictment-politically-motivated

Biden didn't bring the charges.
The Dems didn't bring the charges.
Congress didn't bring the charges.

Kind of tough to say it is "political" motivated, when there isn't any political party involved with the charges. 
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Post by: Primemuscle on July 06, 2023, 11:41:31 AM
‘No white knight’: Jack Smith’s record rife with mistrials, overturned convictions, judicial rebukes
By Jeff Mordock - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 4, 2023
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/4/jack-smiths-record-rife-mistrials-overturned-convi/

It seems like the accuser might have a personal grudge against Jack Smith and reason to have an allegiance to Trump.

'“These are no white knights. They are very dangerous and will use any tactics to win at all costs,” said former Rep. Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican whom Mr. Smith’s team convicted in 2013 on corruption and fraud charges.

Mr. Renzi maintained his innocence but served nearly two years in prison before Mr. Trump pardoned him in 2021.

More about Jack Smith:
Smith began his career in the 1990s as a prosecutor in the New York County district attorney’s office. He later served as chief of criminal litigation and in other capacities at the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York.

From 2008 to 2010, Smith served as an investigation coordinator in the Office of the Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court in the Hague. He supervised investigations of foreign government officials and militia for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

From 2010 to 2015, Smith supervised the litigation of complex public corruption cases nationwide for the Justice Department.

In 2015, Smith was appointed first assistant U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee. He later worked at Hospital Corporation of America, a health care company and hospital operator. He also was a specialist prosecutor for the Kosovo Specialist Chambers, which has a seat in The Hague. The office, established after an international agreement, has jurisdiction over crimes against humanity, war crimes and other crimes under Kosovo law.

Smith graduated from Harvard Law School and the State University of New York at Oneonta and has received numerous awards from the Justice Department and bar associations.

Reuters reported that Smith is not registered with any political party.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politifact/2023/06/12/ask-politifact-who-is-jack-smith-the-special-counsel-in-trump-classified-documents-case/

When Smith is not busy competing in Ironman swim-cycle-run triathlon races, according to his former colleagues, he is working as a dogged investigator who is open-minded and not afraid to pursue the truth. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-is-jack-smith-special-counsel-who-brought-trump-indictment-2023-06-08/

But Jack Smith has also lost cases. https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

In his prosecutorial history he has shown himself to be nonpartisan.

Smith’s unit also pursued criminal charges against Edwards, a former senator, the vice-presidential running mate for then-Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) when he was the Democratic Party’s unsuccessful nominee against President George W. Bush...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/special-counsel-jack-smith-mixed-history-pursuing-politicians
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 06, 2023, 01:38:49 PM
Hahahahah.   Don't flip.  Don't flip.   Go to jail like you should. 

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Ex-prosecutor on "overwhelming" DOJ evidence: Nauta "will go to prison for years" if he doesn't flip

The newly unsealed evidence that the Justice Department used to obtain a search warrant for former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence paints an "overwhelming" case against Trump and his close aide Walt Nauta, former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Thursday. Vance said that Nauta, who pleaded not guilty to six federal charges during his arraignment in a Miami federal court Thursday, and his new Florida lawyer, Sasha Dadan, have a lot of work ahead of them.

"There will be an enormous amount of pressure on Walt Nauta to cooperate with the government. If he does not, it's almost a certainty he will go to prison for years, he is part of the obstruction of justice in this case and those penalties are very significant," Vance told the host. She explained that, while the information indicated by the newly unsealed affidavit has already been presented in the indictment, it also confirms that the evidence prosecutors collected is "thorough, it is detailed, it is overwhelming" because of the nature of the physical evidence it unveils. The unredacted portions of the affidavit show dozens of boxes in the Mar-a-Lago resort club's storage room and descriptions of surveillance footage, including a video showing Nauta moving boxes days before prosecutors came to receive any remaining documents Trump had last year. According to the document, Nauta removed about 64 boxes from the storage room but only returned around 25 to 30 of them. "That means Walter Nauta and Donald Trump tried to conceal them from the government," Vance elaborated in the interview. "This new evidence only adds to the pressure that will mount on Walt Nauta at some point in these proceedings."
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 07, 2023, 01:37:50 PM
The evidence just keeps piling up.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Justice+Department+Says+it+Has+Security+Footage+of+Boxes+of+Papers+Being+Moved+at+Mar-a-Lago

Why would an innocent man move boxes around the day of the subpoena?  Why not leave them where they where?  Why even have them in the first place?

GOOD TIMES!
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2023, 11:09:23 AM
Part of Trump's request to move the federal trial date to after the election:

"This extraordinary case presents a serious challenge to both the fact and perception of our American democracy. The Court now presides over a prosecution advanced by the administration of a sitting President against his chief political rival, himself a leading candidate for the Presidency of the United States."

Truth.  Add to that the fact they are trying to lock their chief political rival in prison for the rest of his life.  Third Word, Banana Republic stuff.

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Post by: Primemuscle on July 11, 2023, 01:56:13 PM
Part of Trump's request to move the federal trial date to after the election:

"This extraordinary case presents a serious challenge to both the fact and perception of our American democracy. The Court now presides over a prosecution advanced by the administration of a sitting President against his chief political rival, himself a leading candidate for the Presidency of the United States."

Truth.  Add to that the fact they are trying to lock their chief political rival in prison for the rest of his life.  Third Word, Banana Republic stuff.

Let us say Trump is successful at moving the federal trial date to after the election and is somehow miraculously elected to office. What actions do you see Trump taking from January 20, 2025 to January 19, 2029 with regards to the DOJ and everyone else he deems his personal enemy who wronged him from the past and during the time he is in office?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2023, 02:17:31 PM
Let us say Trump is successful at moving the federal trial date to after the election and is somehow miraculously elected to office. What actions do you see Trump taking from January 20, 2025 to January 19, 2029 with regards to the DOJ and everyone else he deems his personal enemy who wronged him from the past and during the time he is in office?

It will not take a miracle for Trump to be elected in 2024. 

I have no idea what he will do in response to the fascist attack on our Democracy, but he ought to clean house. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on July 11, 2023, 02:33:04 PM
It will not take a miracle for Trump to be elected in 2020. 

I have no idea what he will do in response to the fascist attack on our Democracy, but he ought to clean house.

It would take a miracle since it is currently 2023. The 2020 election is over. He ‘lost it’ in so many ways and continues lose it over and over and over again.

So, you would concur when his actions were only vengeful and not based on what is right or wrong? We all witnessed his penchant for revenge whenever he feels someone crosses him or simply disagrees with him. He fired them on Twitter only now it would be on Truth Social. The folks he has no ability to fire, he denigrates in the most public crudest manner.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2023, 02:38:37 PM
It would take a miracle since it is currently 2023. The 2020 election is over. He ‘lost it’ in so many ways and continues lose it over and over and over again.

So, you would concur when his actions were only vengeful and not based on what is right or wrong? We all witnessed his penchant for revenge whenever he feels someone crosses him or simply disagrees with him. He fired them on Twitter only now it would be on Truth Social. The folks he has no ability to fire, he denigrates in the most public crudest manner.

Typo.  Fixed. 2024.

You are conflating Trump's childlike need to respond to every actual or perceived insult with him abusing his office to punish political opponents. What his four years as POTUS showed was that he is nothing like Obama and Biden and did not use the IRS and DOJ to target political enemies.   
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on July 11, 2023, 04:35:20 PM
Typo.  Fixed. 2024.


Ahh Damn , Dos I was hoping it 2020 & I'm 3 years younger 🤣

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 11, 2023, 06:24:02 PM
Typo.  Fixed. 2024.

You are conflating Trump's childlike need to respond to every actual or perceived insult with him abusing his office to punish political opponents. What his four years as POTUS showed was that he is nothing like Obama and Biden and did not use the IRS and DOJ to target political enemies.

I recall a phone call Trump made to a certain foreign President threatening to with hold aid unless said President opened a public investigation against his opponent.

"During his four years, Trump publicly urged the FBI to investigate more than two dozen of his perceived opponents, including several Democratic lawmakers, some of the prosecutors and FBI officials involved in the Russia investigation, Biden’s son Hunter Biden, the tech company Google, and even the author of the infamous 2018 “anonymous” op-ed in The New York Times."
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2023, 06:31:04 PM
I recall a phone call Trump made to a certain foreign President threatening to with hold aid unless said President opened a public investigation against his opponent.

"During his four years, Trump publicly urged the FBI to investigate more than two dozen of his perceived opponents, including several Democratic lawmakers, some of the prosecutors and FBI officials involved in the Russia investigation, Biden’s son Hunter Biden, the tech company Google, and even the author of the infamous 2018 “anonymous” op-ed in The New York Times."

Stop lying.  Did not happen.  Tucker Carlson was absolutely right:  liberals/progressives are usually guilty of precisely what they accuse Republicans and conservatives of doing.  We see it with Ukraine.  We saw it with Russia. 

And you pulled your quote from a left-wing op-ed from a left-wing site:  https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2023, 06:31:47 PM
Ahh Damn , Dos I was hoping it 2020 & I'm 3 years younger 🤣

No way would I want to relieve 2020 and that stupid pandemic.  lol
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on July 11, 2023, 08:11:29 PM
Typo.  Fixed. 2024.

You are conflating Trump's childlike need to respond to every actual or perceived insult with him abusing his office to punish political opponents. What his four years as POTUS showed was that he is nothing like Obama and Biden and did not use the IRS and DOJ to target political enemies.

Oh really? How about this? "Trump sought to have political opponents investigated by IRS: report"

New York Post
Allie Griffin
Social Links for Allie Griffin
November 14, 2022

https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/trump-sought-to-have-political-opponents-investigated-by-irs-report/

"Trump Wanted I.R.S. Investigations of Foes, Top Aide Says"

New York Times
By Michael S. Schmidt
Nov. 13, 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/us/politics/trump-irs-investigations.html


"Trump reportedly wanted IRS audits of his perceived enemies"

MSMBC
July 8, 2022
By Steve Benen

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-reportedly-wanted-irs-audits-perceived-enemies-rcna37350

"New York Times: Trump sought tax investigations of political foes"

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN
Published November 13, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/politics/trump-irs-audits-kelly-mccabe-comey/index.html


These are just a few of many links that address this. Trump has a reputation for going after folks who cross him in whatever way he can.

Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 11, 2023, 08:26:58 PM
Stop lying.  Did not happen.  Tucker Carlson was absolutely right:  liberals/progressives are usually guilty of precisely what they accuse Republicans and conservatives of doing.  We see it with Ukraine.  We saw it with Russia. 

And you pulled your quote from a left-wing op-ed from a left-wing site:  https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html

Someone didn't read the Mueller report and has egg on his face..
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on July 11, 2023, 09:45:20 PM
Someone didn't read the Mueller report and has egg on his face..

LMFAO!!
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 11, 2023, 09:54:46 PM
LMFAO!!

Trust me.. waaaaay over his head...None of them read the report. They went by what Faux,  Breitbart, American Thinker, and Gateway pundit said about the report... as usual
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 11, 2023, 10:29:16 PM
Part of Trump's request to move the federal trial date to after the election:

"This extraordinary case presents a serious challenge to both the fact and perception of our American democracy. The Court now presides over a prosecution advanced by the administration of a sitting President against his chief political rival, himself a leading candidate for the Presidency of the United States."

Truth.  Add to that the fact they are trying to lock their chief political rival in prison for the rest of his life.  Third Word, Banana Republic stuff.

It is not a political prosecution.   ::).     Neither Biden, Congress or any other politician is listed as plaintiff or prosecutor. 

The case is 100% the dumbasses own fault.

If this was Banana Republic stuff (your current favorite buzzword) then Trumpy and the J6ers would already be worm food. 

Hyperbole and excuses aren't cutting it.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on July 12, 2023, 12:34:20 AM
Trust me.. waaaaay over his head...None of them read the report. They went by what Faux,  Breitbart, American Thinker, and Gateway pundit said about the report... as usual

Are you saying this about the very folks who claim the rest of the world only follows left biased media and never takes at least a peak at the far right biased rags. Shame on you.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 12, 2023, 07:37:25 AM
Oh really? How about this? "Trump sought to have political opponents investigated by IRS: report"

New York Post
Allie Griffin
Social Links for Allie Griffin
November 14, 2022

https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/trump-sought-to-have-political-opponents-investigated-by-irs-report/

"Trump Wanted I.R.S. Investigations of Foes, Top Aide Says"

New York Times
By Michael S. Schmidt
Nov. 13, 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/us/politics/trump-irs-investigations.html


"Trump reportedly wanted IRS audits of his perceived enemies"

MSMBC
July 8, 2022
By Steve Benen

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-reportedly-wanted-irs-audits-perceived-enemies-rcna37350

"New York Times: Trump sought tax investigations of political foes"

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN
Published November 13, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/politics/trump-irs-audits-kelly-mccabe-comey/index.html


These are just a few of many links that address this. Trump has a reputation for going after folks who cross him in whatever way he can.

The many links all quoting John Kelly, who was fired by Trump.  Not the most credible source.  And not corroborated by anyone.  I don't believe him.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Dos Equis on July 12, 2023, 07:39:04 AM
Someone didn't read the Mueller report and has egg on his face..

The Mueller report had nothing to do with Ukraine.  Don't you feel just a little stupid reading an entire report that concluded Trump was not a Russian Manchurian Candidate?

And I doubt you have read the Durham report. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on July 12, 2023, 10:50:34 AM
The many links all quoting John Kelly, who was fired by Trump.  Not the most credible source.  And not corroborated by anyone.  I don't believe him.

Why am I not surprised that you don't believe him.  ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 12, 2023, 02:55:17 PM
The many links all quoting John Kelly, who was fired by Trump.  Not the most credible source.  And not corroborated by anyone.  I don't believe him.

John Kelly is stellar.  Trumpy only hires the best righ?   Are you saying Trumpy doesn't know what the best is?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 12, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
Why am I not surprised that you don't believe him.  ::)

Because it conflicts with his biased narrative.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Primemuscle on July 12, 2023, 07:16:43 PM
Because it conflicts with his biased narrative.

This can't be right. Dos just told me that everyone who knows him thinks he is openminded, read unbiased.

Check it out.

'I Am Biased. So Are You. Here's What Open Minded People Do Differently'

The Open-Minder

These people are most open to challenging their preconceived biases. They seek to understand the perspective of others and are open to a dialogue or debate about their own beliefs. They listen and thank people for sharing their perspective and feedback. They contemplate before responding. They frequently question their own assumptions, unprompted. They surround themselves with people who challenge them and make it safe for others to do so. They have a growth mindset, are open to evolving their thinking and like to get out of their comfort zone.'

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-am-biased-so-you-heres-what-open-minded-people-do-robert-glazer/
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 12, 2023, 11:59:02 PM
This can't be right. Do just told me that everyone who knows him thinks he is openminded, read unbiased.

Check it out.

'I Am Biased. So Are You. Here's What Open Minded People Do Differently'

The Open-Minder

These people are most open to challenging their preconceived biases. They seek to understand the perspective of others and are open to a dialogue or debate about their own beliefs. They listen and thank people for sharing their perspective and feedback. They contemplate before responding. They frequently question their own assumptions, unprompted. They surround themselves with people who challenge them and make it safe for others to do so. They have a growth mindset, are open to evolving their thinking and like to get out of their comfort zone.'

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-am-biased-so-you-heres-what-open-minded-people-do-robert-glazer/


Pfft!   He claims a lot that isn't true.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 15, 2023, 08:06:46 PM
He gets embarrassed on a daily basis.

An innocent person, one who does everything perfectly, should want to get the trial over quickly, so they can take a victory lap upon acquittal.  A quick trial also saves lawyer fees, so they don't have to continue to send out grifting emails begging for other people to pay their legal fees.
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“Borders on frivolous”: Legal experts say special counsel filing “embarrasses” Trump’s lawyers

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%E2%80%9CBorders+on+frivolous%E2%80%9D%3A+Legal+experts+say+special+counsel+filing+%E2%80%9Cembarrasses%E2%80%9D+Trump%E2%80%99s+lawyers

Legal experts marveled at Smith's response to Trump's team.

"Smith's team comes out breathing fire in this oppo brief," tweeted national security attorney Bradley Moss.

"Jack Smith has responded to Trump's request that the judge forego setting a trial date in the Mar-a-Lago prosecution & it's a doozy," wrote former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance. "Interestingly, he's no longer President Trump, Smith just refers to him as 'Trump.' Just like any other criminal defendant."

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner told MSNBC that Smith and his team "don't mince words" and "they don't pull punches."

Kirschner said the filing "feels like a sign of the prosecution to come."

"I think that they are going to continue to insist on a timely trial date, and in fact, on page one of this reading, they highlight how the Trump defense team failed," he said. "And really, in its most important endeavor, when they filed their pleading on July 10th. They said 'judge, don't set a trial date.' One of the first things Jack Smith pointed out, is that the Speedy Trial Act says the judge shall set a date certain for the trial to begin. So they really just sort of embarrass the Trump defense team's request and they don't let up for the ten pages."
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on July 16, 2023, 06:59:35 AM
He gets embarrassed on a daily basis.

An innocent person, one who does everything perfectly, should want to get the trial over quickly, so they can take a victory lap upon acquittal.  A quick trial also saves lawyer fees, so they don't have to continue to send out grifting emails begging for other people to pay their legal fees.
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“Borders on frivolous”: Legal experts say special counsel filing “embarrasses” Trump’s lawyers

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%E2%80%9CBorders+on+frivolous%E2%80%9D%3A+Legal+experts+say+special+counsel+filing+%E2%80%9Cembarrasses%E2%80%9D+Trump%E2%80%99s+lawyers

Legal experts marveled at Smith's response to Trump's team.

"Smith's team comes out breathing fire in this oppo brief," tweeted national security attorney Bradley Moss.

"Jack Smith has responded to Trump's request that the judge forego setting a trial date in the Mar-a-Lago prosecution & it's a doozy," wrote former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance. "Interestingly, he's no longer President Trump, Smith just refers to him as 'Trump.' Just like any other criminal defendant."

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner told MSNBC that Smith and his team "don't mince words" and "they don't pull punches."

Kirschner said the filing "feels like a sign of the prosecution to come."

"I think that they are going to continue to insist on a timely trial date, and in fact, on page one of this reading, they highlight how the Trump defense team failed," he said. "And really, in its most important endeavor, when they filed their pleading on July 10th. They said 'judge, don't set a trial date.' One of the first things Jack Smith pointed out, is that the Speedy Trial Act says the judge shall set a date certain for the trial to begin. So they really just sort of embarrass the Trump defense team's request and they don't let up for the ten pages."
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 17, 2023, 10:51:08 AM
When in doubt..... or just wrong..... lie, lie, lie.

"It doesn't matter that no law exists. His base will believe him over legal experts. This is the reason trump said he loved the poor and poorly educated. They are his base."

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"No such law exists": Legal experts call out Trump for new made-up Mar-a-Lago defense

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22No+such+law+exists%22%3A+Legal+experts+call+out+Trump+for+new+made-up+Mar-a-Lago+defense

Former President Donald Trump was chided by legal experts over the weekend for seemingly making up legislation that he stated had authorized him to take national security documents home to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

During a speech at the Turning Point Action conference in West Palm Beach on Saturday, Trump complained about his classified documents indictment and claimed, "whatever documents a president decides to take with him, he has the absolute and unquestioned right to do so."

"This was a law that was passed and signed," he added. "And it couldn't be more clear."

Legal experts quickly rejected Trump's claim.

"Nope. No such law exists. Period." wrote longtime Harvard legal scholar Laurence Tribe.

National security lawyer Bradley Moss tweeted that Trump's claim was "not a legitimate legal argument," but rather a "political talking point."

"It'll fail in court," he predicted.

Former President Donald Trump was chided by legal experts over the weekend for seemingly making up legislation that he stated had authorized him to take national security documents home to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

During a speech at the Turning Point Action conference in West Palm Beach on Saturday, Trump complained about his classified documents indictment and claimed, "whatever documents a president decides to take with him, he has the absolute and unquestioned right to do so."

"This was a law that was passed and signed," he added. "And it couldn't be more clear."

Legal experts quickly rejected Trump's claim.

"Nope. No such law exists. Period." wrote longtime Harvard legal scholar Laurence Tribe.

National security lawyer Bradley Moss tweeted that Trump's claim was "not a legitimate legal argument," but rather a "political talking point."

"It'll fail in court," he predicted.

"Say you've never read the Presidential Records Act without saying you've never read the Presidential Records Act," wrote former CIA analyst Gail Helt.

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 17, 2023, 06:43:08 PM
Awesome sauce!

"Trump’s lawyers argued that the evidence is too voluminous : Translation  You honor our client STOLE so many Documents we can't possibly review them all  in the allotted time the evidence against our client is just way too much.... "

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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DOJ+opposes+Donald+Trump%27s+request+to+delay+criminal+trial+about+classified+documents

Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith opposed Donald Trump’s request for an indefinite delay in his criminal trial about classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, saying part of the former president’s request “borders on the frivolous.”

“There is no basis in law or fact for proceeding in such an indeterminate and open-ended fashion, and the Defedants provide none,” wrote assistant special counsel David Harbach.

Trump and his personal valet, Walt Nauta, pleaded not guilty to keeping national defense records after leaving the White House and conspiracy to obstruct justice. U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon set a tentative trial date for Aug. 14, but Smith’s team argued Dec. 11 would allow enough time for defense lawyers to get security clearances and review the evidence.

Trump’s lawyers asked this week for the case to be delayed indefinitely because of the voluminous evidence and by arguing he couldn’t get a fair trial while campaigning for president in 2024. Trump’s lawyers also said judges will be making novel decisions about the Presidential Records Act because this is the first criminal case against a former president.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 27, 2023, 05:02:27 PM
It keeps getting better.   :D   Unless you are a Trumpturd and have to compulsively defend the orange turds bullshit.

Just a little more evidence on the Mt. Everest pile of evidence.

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Trump accused of asking staffer to delete camera footage in Florida classified documents case

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+accused+of+asking+staffer+to+delete+camera+footage+in+Florida+classified+documents+case

Donald Trump faced new charges Thursday in a case accusing him of illegally possessing classified documents, with prosecutors alleging that he asked a staffer to delete camera footage at his Florida estate in an effort to obstruct a federal investigation.

The indictment includes new counts of obstruction and willful retention of national defense information, adding fresh detail to an indictment issued last month against Trump and a close aide. The additional charges came as a surprise given the escalating anticipation of a possible additional indictment in Washington over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. The updated indictment makes clear that the vast — and unknown — scope of legal exposure faced by Trump as he seeks to reclaim the White House in 2024 while fending off criminal cases in multiple cities.

The updated allegations in the indictment center on surveillance footage at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach. Trump is alleged to have asked to have the footage deleted after FBI and Justice Department investigators visited in June 2022 to collect classified documents that he took with him after leaving the White House a year earlier. Law enforcement officials issued a subpoena for the footage after noticing surveillance cameras while they were there.

Such footage has long been central to the investigation because, according to prosecutors, it showed Trump valet Nauta moving boxes of documents in and out of a storage room — including such action one day before a visit by FBI and Justice Department officials. Nauta was indicted alongside Trump in a 38-count indictment, accused of lying to the FBI and conspiring with the former president to conceal the records.

The indictment states that between June 2022 and August 2022, Trump, Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, a Mar-a-Lago property manager, “did corruptly alter, destroy, mutilate, and conceal” documents located at Mar-a-Lago with an intention to “impair” its use in any official proceeding. It alleges that all three men requested that a fourth, unidentified Trump employee delete security footage captured at the club “to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.”

The indictment quotes De Oliveira telling a colleague that the “boss” wanted a server hosting the footage to be deleted. It says De Oliveira went to the IT office last June, took an employee to a small room known as the “audio closet” and asked the person how many days the server retained footage.

When the employee said he didn’t believe he was able to delete footage, De Oliveira insisted the “boss” wanted it done, asking, “What are we going to do?”

De Oliveira was added to the indictment, charged with obstruction and false statements related to an interview he gave the FBI earlier this year. A lawyer for De Oliveira declined to comment.

A Trump spokesperson dismissed the new charges as “nothing more than a continued desperate and flailing attempt” by the Biden administration “to harass President Trump and those around him” and to influence the 2024 presidential race.

The superseding indictment charges Trump with an additional count of willfully retaining national defense information, relating to a July 2021 interview at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club in which the former president discussed U.S. military plans to attack another country. The interview was for a memoir by his onetime chief of staff, Mark Meadows, who in his subsequent book named the country as Iran.

According to the indictment, Trump returned that document, which was marked as top secret and not approved to show to foreign nationals, to the federal government on Jan. 17, 2022.

It marks a notable shift in the prosecution’s approach to Trump’s case, charging him for retaining a document it alleges the former president knew was highly sensitive after he left office — and not just for failing to return it to the government when asked.

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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 28, 2023, 08:09:08 AM
Gosh, what a horrible way to kick off the weekend.  Not really.   ;D

Remember in 2015, while campaigning, Trump stated, "No one wants a president who is constantly under indictment."  Remember?   REMEMBER??????

hahahaha

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Takeaways from the new charges against Trump, aide and Mar-a-Lago worker in the classified documents case

Special counsel Jack Smith expanded his classified documents case against former President Donald Trump, making significant new allegations that Trump and his employees attempted to delete Mar-a-Lago security footage sought by the grand jury investigating the mishandling of the government records.

The new charges were presented in what’s known as a superseding indictment that was handed up by a grand jury in Florida on Thursday. A third defendant, Mar-a-Lago employee Carlos De Oliveira, was also added to the case. He is accused alongside Trump and Walt Nauta of obstructing the investigation with the alleged bid to delete security footage at Trump’s Florida resort.

Trump also faces a new charge stemming from the allegedly mishandled classified documents that are at the core of the case, with prosecutors identifying a new document – reported by CNN to be possible Iran attack plans – that they say Trump unlawfully retained.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 28, 2023, 09:05:09 AM
Kind of hard to be ignored when you read everything I post Tiny Tony.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on July 28, 2023, 10:32:24 AM
Kind of hard to be ignored when you read everything I post Tiny Tony.

Unless you have a death wish, I'd treat lightly. 🤣
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 28, 2023, 11:59:31 AM
Unless you have a death wish, I'd treat lightly. 🤣

He’s going to kill me with 1000 paper cuts from his US citizenship card. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 28, 2023, 12:08:09 PM
Anyway …….  Back to thread topic. 

NUMBAH 4!!!!!   Now serving NUMBAH 4.  Step up and get your indictment. 

Naw... pretty sure he will flip instead of going down with this sinking ship.

Fantastic witch hunt so far.  Even more to be caught. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on July 29, 2023, 08:19:12 AM
Anyway …….  Back to thread topic. 

NUMBAH 4!!!!!   Now serving NUMBAH 4.  Step up and get your indictment. 

Naw... pretty sure he will flip instead of going down with this sinking ship.

Fantastic witch hunt so far.  Even more to be caught.

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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 29, 2023, 03:52:26 PM
Well it makes sense.  Sort of.  If you live in La La Land.  Anywayyyyyy... that is the lie story he claims this week.  As evidence shows, the story changes too much. He didn’t have documents, he had them but gave them all back, the documents were planted and he had footage to show it, he took the documents but they were his to take, he declassified the documents by thinking about it. Who in their right mind would believe a word out of his mouth? No one would allow a friend or family member to lie like this and still defend them.  But yet, the Trumpturds - especially on this forum - are right there fighting to get their head up his ass.

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Trump claimed classified document discussed on tape isn’t real. But he still returned it to the National Archives
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+claimed+classified+document+discussed+on+tape+isn%E2%80%99t+real.+But+he+still+returned+it+to+the+National+Archives

The top-secret document that former President Donald Trump discussed at a 2021 meeting at his New Jersey golf club was included in the 15 boxes returned to the National Archives in January of last year, according to a source familiar with the matter. But Trump has denied it was real.

Trump was charged Thursday with retaining the classified document, described as a “presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country,” which CNN has reported is Iran, as part of the superseding indictment. He had previously been charged with retaining 31 other documents. The Iran war plan document, however, stands out as the only one from the 15 boxes Trump initially returned – before any subpoena was issued or search was conducted – that has led to any criminal charge.

In the new court filing, the document is described as having been in Trump’s possession from the day he left the White House in 2021 until January 17, 2022, the same date Trump is said to have returned boxes to the National Archives after many months of requests to do so.

While the July 2021 Bedminster meeting was described in the original indictment, prosecutors did not say at the time whether they had located the document Trump was allegedly showing. The new charge makes clear they have the document and believe the former president had it in his possession at the time of the meeting at which he discussed it with people not cleared to view classified material. An audio recording of the meeting first aired by CNN captures a moment when Trump seems to indicate that he is holding a secret Pentagon document with plans to attack Iran.

“These are the papers,” Trump says in the recording.

Trump has denied that the papers he showed at the meeting included a classified government document, claiming he had referred only to news articles.

“There was no document,” Trump told Fox News on June 19. “That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. I didn’t have a document, per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles.”
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: Board_SHERIF on July 30, 2023, 07:33:19 AM
Well it makes sense.  Sort of.  If you live in La La Land.  Anywayyyyyy... that is the lie story he claims this week.  As evidence shows, the story changes too much. He didn’t have documents, he had them but gave them all back, the documents were planted and he had footage to show it, he took the documents but they were his to take, he declassified the documents by thinking about it. Who in their right mind would believe a word out of his mouth? No one would allow a friend or family member to lie like this and still defend them.  But yet, the Trumpturds - especially on this forum - are right there fighting to get their head up his ass.

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Trump claimed classified document discussed on tape isn’t real. But he still returned it to the National Archives
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+claimed+classified+document+discussed+on+tape+isn%E2%80%99t+real.+But+he+still+returned+it+to+the+National+Archives

The top-secret document that former President Donald Trump discussed at a 2021 meeting at his New Jersey golf club was included in the 15 boxes returned to the National Archives in January of last year, according to a source familiar with the matter. But Trump has denied it was real.

Trump was charged Thursday with retaining the classified document, described as a “presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country,” which CNN has reported is Iran, as part of the superseding indictment. He had previously been charged with retaining 31 other documents. The Iran war plan document, however, stands out as the only one from the 15 boxes Trump initially returned – before any subpoena was issued or search was conducted – that has led to any criminal charge.

In the new court filing, the document is described as having been in Trump’s possession from the day he left the White House in 2021 until January 17, 2022, the same date Trump is said to have returned boxes to the National Archives after many months of requests to do so.

While the July 2021 Bedminster meeting was described in the original indictment, prosecutors did not say at the time whether they had located the document Trump was allegedly showing. The new charge makes clear they have the document and believe the former president had it in his possession at the time of the meeting at which he discussed it with people not cleared to view classified material. An audio recording of the meeting first aired by CNN captures a moment when Trump seems to indicate that he is holding a secret Pentagon document with plans to attack Iran.

“These are the papers,” Trump says in the recording.

Trump has denied that the papers he showed at the meeting included a classified government document, claiming he had referred only to news articles.

“There was no document,” Trump told Fox News on June 19. “That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. I didn’t have a document, per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles.”
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Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 30, 2023, 07:39:28 AM
The gay muslim pedo worshipper resurfaces to remind me that so much stupidity can't be contained in just one gimmick. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 30, 2023, 07:44:03 AM
Are they charging you double at the internet cafe for taking up two computers to log in with a shitty gimmick on each?
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 30, 2023, 07:48:20 AM
Why bother to delete that post?  Everyone already knows you are the same person.  I mean, do you really think that two pedo obsessed, uncle loving, moped riding, internet cafe using, male obsessing, foreign c unt trash could be posting on here?   ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: The Gov on July 30, 2023, 07:57:06 AM
Why bother to delete that post?  Everyone already knows you are the same person.  I mean, do you really think that two pedo obsessed, uncle loving, moped riding, internet cafe using, male obsessing, foreign c unt trash could be posting on here?   ::)

pretty rich coming from the groomer nicknamed "pedo pete" with pedo gimmick accounts Oak - Abraham - Wayne Tracker - and more.... ::)
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: AbrahamG on July 31, 2023, 08:36:51 AM
pretty rich coming from the groomer nicknamed "pedo pete" with pedo gimmick accounts Oak - Abraham - Wayne Tracker - and more.... ::)

You're simply dumb. Nothing more to say.
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: illuminati on July 31, 2023, 10:23:56 AM
pretty rich coming from the groomer nicknamed "pedo pete" with pedo gimmick accounts Oak - Abraham - Wayne Tracker - and more.... ::)

Just ignore them, The aids has frazzled it's brain.
it's bitter & twisted because its a Fag.gott & has aids either one of them they're all suffering
whichever one post's - aids combined with libturd disease sure fire madness.

Let's sit back & watch the "You are a Fag.gott & are ignoring this poster "
posts pop up in there 3's Ha Ha Ha  ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 31, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
You're simply dumb. Nothing more to say.

lol Right?  Too stupid to keep his gimmicks separate.  And stupid enough to try to hide it even though everyone knew they were the same. 
Title: Re: The F.B.I. Has Raided 🇺🇸Trump’s🇺🇸Home
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 31, 2023, 12:04:44 PM
The Liar of Leicestershire shows us his pathetic life and projections again.  Again!
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 20, 2023, 12:11:41 PM
And the traitor is....  Meadows realizes he is in trouble and Trumpy is  loyal to no one but himself.   :)

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Classified docs case : Sources say Meadows betrayed Trump.
Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Meadows+told+special+counsel+he+could+not+recall+Trump+ever+declassifying+Mar-a-Lago+docs%3A+Sources

Appearing to contradict former President Donald Trump's primary public defense in the classified documents case, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has told special counsel Jack Smith's investigators that he could not recall Trump ever ordering, or even discussing, declassifying broad sets of classified materials before leaving the White House, nor was he aware of any "standing order" from Trump authorizing the automatic declassification of materials taken out of the Oval Office, sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

Ever since the FBI's seizure of more than 100 classified documents from his Mar-a-Lago estate last August, Trump has insisted that he declassified all the materials before he left office. The former president now faces 40 separate criminal charges related to his possession of those documents, ranging from unlawful retention of national defense information to various obstruction-related offenses.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges and has denied any wrongdoing.

ABC News has also reviewed an early draft of the prologue to Meadows' book, "The Chief's Chief," about his time serving as Trump's chief of staff for the final months of the Trump White House, which includes a description of Trump having a classified war plan "on the couch" at his office in Bedminster, New Jersey, at a meeting attended by Meadows' ghostwriter and publicist, but not by Meadows himself. The reference to that document being in Trump's possession was removed before the book was published.

Multiple sources tell ABC News Meadows acknowledged to investigators that he asked that the paragraph be changed, and that it would be "problematic" had Trump had such a document in his possession. Sources tell ABC News that Meadows told special counsel investigators that he did not discuss making those edits with Trump.

Meadows also told investigators that he was not involved in packing the boxes that Trump took to Mar-a-Lago after leaving the White House, sources told ABC News, largely distancing himself from the removal of government documents, including classified materials. The sources said Meadows told investigators he did not witness Trump himself packing boxes and was unaware that Trump had taken any government records, including classified documents.

The former chief of staff also told investigators that shortly after the National Archives first requested the return of the official documents taken to Mar-a-Lago in 2021, he offered to Trump that he would go through the former president's boxes to retrieve the official records and send them back to Washington. Meadows told investigators Trump did not accept his offer, according to sources.

Following the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022, Trump's team issued a statement to one media outlet claiming that, while still in office, Trump had issued "a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them." On social media, Trump himself insisted that the documents at Mar-a-Lago were "all declassified."

According to sources familiar with the matter, Meadows told investigators that he had heard the term "standing order" used during his time in the White House, but not in relation to the declassification process.


While Trump's attorneys have not formally put forward such a defense in court, if they were to seek to make such a claim at trial then prosecutors could see substantial value in putting forward Meadows as a witness to counter such claims.

A spokesperson for the special counsel's office declined to comment when reached by ABC News. Meadows' lawyer, George Terwilliger, declined to comment for this story when reached by ABC News.

In a statement to ABC News, a Trump spokesperson, without evidence, accused the Justice Department of "selectively leaking incomplete information" to impact the 2024 election.

The statement claimed the DOJ and the special counsel "have resorted to selectively leaking incomplete information that lacks proper context because they know they can't win inside a courtroom, so now they are trying to deceive Americans through the court of public opinion," adding that "This witch-hunt is nothing more than a desperate attempt to interfere in the 2024 election as President Trump dominates the polls and is the only person who will take back the White House."

Meadows recalled to investigators only one instance in his time serving as Trump's chief of staff where he claimed to see Trump declassifying documents, involving a binder with materials from the FBI's "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation into Trump's 2016 campaign's ties with Russia, multiple sources familiar with the matter said. That order, in the final days of Trump's time in the White House, has been a subject of dispute, however, as the Justice Department has resisted publicly releasing the purported documents at issue.

Meadows has been publicly silent on the topic of the classified documents probe, as well as Smith's parallel investigation into Trump and his allies' efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election -- generating speculation among Trump's inner circle regarding what Meadows may have told investigators in that probe, according to sources. Meadows himself was indicted last week alongside Trump and 17 others in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis' separate investigation into election interference in Georgia.

Smith's team has also questioned other witnesses about the references to the war plan document that were dropped from the early draft of Meadows' book, sources say. According to sources, a previous draft of the book written by Meadows' ghostwriter -- who, along with the book's publicist, was present at the meeting with Trump at Bedminster in July 2021 -- specifically referenced a four-page war plan the president was heard referring to in an audio recording from the meeting that he claimed had been produced by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley. Meadows himself was not at the meeting.

"Wait a minute, let's see here. I just found, isn't that amazing?" Trump says in the recording, later obtained by ABC News. "This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me. As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."

In the final version of Meadows' book, "The Chief's Chief," released in late 2021, the Bedminster exchange comes up in the prologue where it says Trump "recalls a four-page report typed up by Milley himself."

"It contained the general's own plan to attack Iran, deploying massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency," Meadows' book says.

But a draft version of the passage initially sent to Meadows by his ghostwriter, which was reviewed by ABC News, more directly referenced the document allegedly in Trump's possession during the interview.

"On the couch in front of the President's desk, there's a four-page report typed up by Mark Milley himself," the draft reads. "It shows the general's own plan to attack Iran, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency. ... When President Trump found this plan in his old files this morning, he pointed out that if he had been able to make this declassified, it would probably 'win his case.'"

Sources told ABC News that Meadows was questioned by Smith's investigators about the changes made to the language in the draft, and Meadows claimed, according to the sources, that he personally edited it out because he didn't believe at the time that Trump would have possessed a document like that at Bedminster.

Meadows also said that if it were true Trump did indeed have such a document, it would be "problematic" and "concerning," sources familiar with the exchange said. Meadows said his perspective changed on whether his ghostwriter's recollection could have been accurate, given the later revelations about the classified materials recovered from Mar-a-Lago in the months since his book was published, the sources said.

In an interview with Fox News in June, Trump denied that the material in his possession at Bedminster was a classified document.

"I didn't have a document, per se," Trump said. "There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles."

Meadows also told investigators that he would have responded differently than Trump when the National Archives first asked Trump to return all remaining presidential records in his possession, and would have been very diligent in his handling of the initial search for documents to return to NARA, sources familiar with the matter said.

It's not clear whether the special counsel continues to investigate the circumstances surrounding Meadows' book edits.

In a superseding indictment last month, Smith charged Trump with possessing the document he was allegedly referring to in that meeting, after Smith previously only referenced the exchange in his first indictment the month before.

Meadows, along with the other former Trump aides, had been subpoenaed by Smith for testimony and documents related to the special counsel's probes. ABC News has previously reported that Meadows appeared in April before a federal grand jury hearing evidence in the classified documents probe.
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Post by: Primemuscle on August 20, 2023, 12:31:24 PM
In his court filing, attorneys for Mark Meadows declared his intention to seek dismissal of all charges brought against him in Georgia.

In the filing, Meadows denied all wrongdoing and argued the charged conduct comprises protected actions taken in his official capacity as chief of staff to the president.

“Nothing Mr. Meadows is alleged in the indictment to have done is criminal per se: arranging Oval Office meetings, contacting state officials on the President’s behalf, visiting a state government building, and setting up a phone call for the President. One would expect a Chief of Staff to the President of the United States to do these sorts of things,” his attorneys argued.
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Post by: illuminati on August 21, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
  :o

Go on enjoy a laugh at your President

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