Rice believes Chavez is "destroying" Venezuela

[Hugo Chavez]

Well, someone may be destroying countries but it ain't Chavez.  There are Socialist countries that hardly qualify as destroyed... Iraq on the other hand has pretty much been obliterated and Iran/Syria are next...


Socialism doesn't destroy countries, bombs destroy countries... 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070207/pl_nm/venezuela_usa_rice_dc

[240 is Back]

Does venezuela go $200 million into debt each day in a losing war effort?


Cause THAT is how you wreck a country!

[Cavalier22]

rice sucks, she never belonged in the big leagues

[Mr. Intenseone]

Does venezuela go $200 million into debt each day in a losing war effort?


Cause THAT is how you wreck a country!

At least we have our priorities straight!

[240 is Back]

At least we have our priorities straight!

List them

1. Engage in stalemate in Afghanistan

2. Engage in stalemate in Iraq

3. Ramp up to stalemate in Iran (tougher war than Afgh. and iraq combined!)



To me, shedding troops blood in losing battles isn't a major priority.  Pulling them out of the cities and letting iraqis defend their own turf while we defend the borders - that is my priority.

[Mr. Intenseone]

List them

1. Engage in stalemate in Afghanistan

2. Engage in stalemate in Iraq

3. Ramp up to stalemate in Iran (tougher war than Afgh. and iraq combined!)



To me, shedding troops blood in losing battles isn't a major priority.  Pulling them out of the cities and letting iraqis defend their own turf while we defend the borders - that is my priority.

The solution.............

[Hedgehog]

I don't have a problem with the nationalisation of Venezuela's oil resources. In fact, I fully support that.

It seems only fair that Venezuelan interests and not foreign companies should get rich from the natural resources of Venezuela.

However, I believe that Rice is right when she voices the concerns of how Chavez brings down Venezuela.

He's running Venezuela like a one man show, and that ain't right. Venezuela needs full democracy, just like any other country.

-Hedge

[tu_holmes]

I don't have a problem with the nationalisation of Venezuela's oil resources. In fact, I fully support that.

It seems only fair that Venezuelan interests and not foreign companies should get rich from the natural resources of Venezuela.

However, I believe that Rice is right when she voices the concerns of how Chavez brings down Venezuela.

He's running Venezuela like a one man show, and that ain't right. Venezuela needs full democracy, just like any other country.

-Hedge

I don't think so... why do we care about Venezuelans anyway? I don't... Let Chavez do whatever he wants to, and when his people get tired of it, they get to revolt... Worked in Russia... Let's move on.

[Purge_WTF]

I don't think so... why do we care about Venezuelans anyway? I don't... Let Chavez do whatever he wants to, and when his people get tired of it, they get to revolt... Worked in Russia... Let's move on.

  Can I get an "amen" for Holmes?

[Stark]

I don't think so... why do we care about Venezuelans anyway? I don't... Let Chavez do whatever he wants to, and when his people get tired of it, they get to revolt... Worked in Russia... Let's move on.

why do the US care about Venezuela?


Oil my friend... anything that has to do with Oil is of interest for the US government.

[24KT]

At least we have our priorities straight!

Knowing what your priorities are, and having your priorities straight can be two entirely different things.

[24KT]

I don't have a problem with the nationalisation of Venezuela's oil resources. In fact, I fully support that.

It seems only fair that Venezuelan interests and not foreign companies should get rich from the natural resources of Venezuela.

However, I believe that Rice is right when she voices the concerns of how Chavez brings down Venezuela.

He's running Venezuela like a one man show, and that ain't right. Venezuela needs full democracy, just like any other country.

-Hedge

How does that differ from a certain other country in North America? (Canada excluded) 
That 'leader' has been trying to be a one-man-show for the past 6 yrs.

Chavez may run Venezuela like a one-man show, but at least he has the love, support, & respect of his people.

...besides, it's Venezuela, not the USA. Rice doesn't have a say (Thank Goodness for Venezuelans)

[Hugo Chavez]

The solution.............

You're in A 1 Class Idiot...

[Hugo Chavez]

How does that differ from a certain other country in North America? (Canada excluded) 
That 'leader' has been trying to be a one-man-show for the past 6 yrs.
Chavez may run Venezuela like a one-man show, but at least he has the love, support, & respect of his people.

...besides, it's Venezuela, not the USA. Rice doesn't have a say (Thank Goodness for Venezuelans)

Bingo Dingo Hedge might be overlooking what he is doing is done by majority consent.  Much of what is happening to us is not by majority consent.

[a_joker10]

Bingo Dingo Hedge might be overlooking what he is doing is done by majority consent.  Much of what is happening to us is not by majority consent.

Since when did majority consent consist of dissolving government, making himself a dictator and not have an opposition.

GWB is going to be gone in 2 years. Chavez plans to govern for the next 20.

[tu_holmes]

why do the US care about Venezuela?


Oil my friend... anything that has to do with Oil is of interest for the US government.

I understand the superficial reason of course... but my statement was related to why should I care about the Venezuelan people... I don't... period. All of this is just a smokescreen to get oil, I understand that... my point is that it's wrong to just run around and mouth off because some country who doesn't like you has oil.

And I really don't care about the Venezuelan people... just like I don't care about Iraqi's or too many other people in the world... If you're doing your thing great.... If you're happy great.

The US foreign policy should not be dictated by oil and my own personal policy is "Fuck them... I've got shit at home to fix."

[tu_holmes]

Since when did majority consent consist of dissolving government, making himself a dictator and not have an opposition.

GWB is going to be gone in 2 years. Chavez plans to govern for the next 20.

Why should I care HOW long Chavez is in charge? It's a country I don't give a shit about... I don't want their oil... fuck 'em.

[Camel Jockey]

Since when did majority consent consist of dissolving government, making himself a dictator and not have an opposition.

GWB is going to be gone in 2 years. Chavez plans to govern for the next 20.

That's fine and dandy to me. I don't think we should meddle in the affairs of countries that don't agree with our foreign policy.

You are highly critical of Chavez, but I don't see any outrage over Pakistan's military dictatorship or Saudia Arabia's monarchy. Is it because those two respective countries are in cooperation with the US?

[tu_holmes]

That's fine and dandy to me. I don't think we should meddle in the affairs of countries that don't agree with our foreign policy.

You are highly critical of Chavez, but I don't see any outrage over Pakistan's military dictatorship or Saudia Arabia's monarchy. Is it because those two respective countries are in cooperation with the US?

Of course... No doubt about it. Personally, I don't give a crap about them either though...

[Hugo Chavez]

Why should I care HOW long Chavez is in charge? It's a country I don't give a shit about... I don't want their oil... f**k 'em.

exactly, but this doesn't sit well with the rule the world crowd.

[a_joker10]

That's fine and dandy to me. I don't think we should meddle in the affairs of countries that don't agree with our foreign policy.

You are highly critical of Chavez, but I don't see any outrage over Pakistan's military dictatorship or Saudia Arabia's monarchy. Is it because those two respective countries are in cooperation with the US?

I am highly critical of any government that isn't a democracy.

The Saudi government feeds the Jihadist because many Muslims is Saudi Arabia are very poor and since they have no ties to royal family are not considered citizens.
As for Pakistan, that country might have elections this year, we can only hope. But I can't stand their double speak an their ability to knowingly hide terrorist and yet deny it to the world.
Same goes for Israel and their nuclear technology.

[Hedgehog]

I am highly critical of any government that isn't a democracy.

The Saudi government feeds the Jihadist because many Muslims is Saudi Arabia are very poor and since they have no ties to royal family are not considered citizens.
As for Pakistan, that country might have elections this year, we can only hope. But I can't stand their double speak an their ability to knowingly hide terrorist and yet deny it to the world.
Same goes for Israel and their nuclear technology.

Good post.

Any country, such as Saudi Arabia eg, that isn't a democracy, is a disaster. It doesn't matter if the country is undemocratic "from the right" or the "from the left".

It's just as wrong.

That's why I think it's ridiculous to see comparisons to other countries when Venezuela and Chavez is critizised. It doesn't make Chavez any better just because others are behaving bad.

And besides, Bush is no where near the same kind of one man show that Chavez is. jaguar is, as usual, not to be taken serious.


The Western civilized world has a big responsibility, we are the enlightened ones.

-Hedge

[24KT]

Good post.

Any country, such as Saudi Arabia eg, that isn't a democracy, is a disaster. It doesn't matter if the country is undemocratic "from the right" or the "from the left".

It's just as wrong.

That's why I think it's ridiculous to see comparisons to other countries when Venezuela and Chavez is critizised. It doesn't make Chavez any better just because others are behaving bad.

And besides, Bush is no where near the same kind of one man show that Chavez is. jaguar is, as usual, not to be taken serious.


The Western civilized world has a big responsibility, we are the enlightened ones.

-Hedge

oh ya, ...the folly in Iraq is just living proof of the west's 'enlightenment'

[24KT]

Since when did majority consent consist of dissolving government, making himself a dictator and not have an opposition.

GWB is going to be gone in 2 years. Chavez plans to govern for the next 20.

If memory serves me correctly, ...didn't Chavez recently call a recall referendum on his own government?

I'd love to see Bush do that. {lol}

[bmacsys]

Has anybody been keeping up on the very real food shortages in Venezuela due to strict government price controls?